mess-hall

[livid verge]

It all froze. only thing I can see is the field

[elfin holly]

this might be a personal opinion thing, but i think 2 anti tanks per squad would be better

but maybe thats just me lol

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-yard-stare-vtuber-puppy-dog-black-and-white-gif-18098767718586190432

[west marlin]

the biggest thing that bugs me about this game is the role limitations for servers. ive been on and off this game for a year now, i build nodes, set OP's and have strong communication with other squads and commander. but most servers wont let me be squad lead cause i have a very low level. even in the new player welcome servers.

[slate canopy]

Some servers do require a certain level for squadlead... but most New Players Welcome don't.

[west marlin]

iv ealready tried 3 lol, ctrlalt+delete, the circle #6 and 3LA

[slate canopy]

What does it do when you say "most servers won't let me squad lead"?

[west marlin]

i select squad lead for an infantry unit, then i get a notification saying i have to be level 25 to be in this role if i dont switch roles i get kicked from the server entirely

[slate canopy]

And what level are you?

[west marlin]

like 6 or something like that, but yet i do better than most players in higher levels, the amount of times i had to run to a completly different area of the map to place nodes cause no else will is astonishing

[slate canopy]

Level 6 on your account?

[west marlin]

wich level are wqe talking about??

[slate canopy]

Account level, not role.

[west marlin]

oh im level 12

so i lied, i havent been playing for 1 year. ive been playing it on and off for 2 years. since december 23rd of 2024

[slate canopy]

Sooo you need that level 12 to be level 25. Try another server where it maybe isn't required... or just keep playing regular roles where there is a level requirement on those community server.

[west marlin]

i understand that but i feel that completly defeats the purpose of a new player server. howre new players going to level up in that role if they cant be that role in a new player server?? ya know

[slate canopy]

Part of the reason they have that level restriction for lead roles... is because they want people to learn the game a bit first. 😅 Commander, Squad Lead, Tank Commander, and Spotter are very much important roles and knowing the game and having experience is important.

[west marlin]

i mean thats totally understandable, but for a server filled with new players is what defeats that purpose. should have like a sherpa program or something if they really want people to know the roles, and what about those just buying the game but cant join roles they are interested in cause of level restrictions. thats a quick way to request a refund.

like ive said ive been playing on and off, i can place nodes, communicate, ping, place OP's, and do what i can to turn the tides. but because of my level im not allowed to do any of that lol. a bit redundant if you ask me

[slate canopy]

Just keep playin 🤷‍♀️

[west marlin]

i gave up lol, oh well

[slate canopy]

Like, just keep playing. You'll eventually level up.

[lean ice]

can somebody pls gift me this awesome game

[slate canopy]

It goes on sale often 🤔

[past vortex]

could as well just have a thousend free epic ids tho

[thick stream]

We be jammin

[covert elbow]

Your guns jamming? Better clean it then

[lyric bronze]

did anybody else settings and everything else reset?

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-ra-curse-of-ra-gif-10622361558915339590

^ this basically happened to you

[lyric bronze]

all my settings are gone

my unifrorms got reset what do i do

[slate canopy]

Redo them.

You can save the file later seperately if it ever does it again.

[lyric bronze]

im gonna tweak i dont remeber my sense or fov

[heady pivot]

It doesn’t take long to get to the level 50 threshold that some servers have, just play the game a lil more frequently

[heady pivot]

After u set it this time record them somehow somewhere because this is bound to happen again

[lyric bronze]

Say that, thanks for the advice

[clever thorn]

Sharif don't like it
Rock the casbah
Rock the casbah

[arctic rampart]

Never ever saw anyone dis-allowing a low level that comms to be SL.
Not comming? Sure. I'll use everu book on the dictionary on that bozo, but if you comm and do basic things. Even if they're not perfect, you'll be more than welcome to play SL.

[stoic garnet]

He is talking about the auto mod limits at 25/50

[arctic rampart]

Do a lot of servers have that? Cause I still see low levels as SL's plenty

[stoic garnet]

Yes

[arctic rampart]

But at the end of the day, level 50 is like what? 20-30 matches if you're not dogwater?

[stoic garnet]

No..

It doesn’t take that long

But it’s more than 20-30

[arctic rampart]

Can't be. I had a level 13 friend join for a match. Obviously brand new. After a single match on Kursk he went up like 4 levels

Full 1h30min game

[stoic garnet]

Exp is geometric scaling

50 is 2x longer than 25 etc

[arctic rampart]

Yeah I know that. Idk if the wikis info is still accurate, but it says the xp requirement for 50 is 637,000xp.

If you're not dogwater you get something like 14k-25k per match

So it's like 25-45 matches

[stoic garnet]

I’m sure if I made an alt and farmed 100 kills and logi exp it would go fast

New player is a new player. They are dropping about 15 kills and figuring out how to spawn

[arctic rampart]

From my experience talking with newer players. Most people reach level 100 within like 70-90hours of playtime

Funniest part is that they think it's going to be that easy to 500 lel

But anyway, I don't think level 50 is that hard to reach and given those approximate hours required to reach it, you will pretty much be like 30-40% effectiveness as a SL if you pick it up after that point. Again, assuming you're not a complete bozo.

And that point will be enough to play as a SL, not annoy people and have somewhat of a positive outcome majority of the time.
Sure, not all garries spots will be perfect, sure comms will be sub-optimal, but it'll be enough so you can at least grow in the future

I don't know about others, but I strongly believe SL is the highest skill ceiling class in the game. (at least from a pub perspective, since comp has it's own rocket sniping and glitching airheads into walls bs)

[tawny jackal]

Given that I have 210 hours and i'm at level 83 I don't think that is very accurate

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1482662602520657930/image.png?ex=69b7c4a6&is=69b67326&hm=61f77eca9b39dd74829bf2bd174a958bd007cb3eab155a74cbc2e3152bc1fcb4&

[tawny jackal]

fair, I play more for fun than XP

[arctic rampart]

I haven't see lot of people min-max xp recently with nodes and stuff, but I mean if it's a full 1hr30min game, you should easily get at least 20k just playing normally.
Any commends, playing AT, being in a tank squad or doing nodes will just increase that, but I think like a default assault, auto rifleman or whatever should reach that easily

[tawny jackal]

Idk what kind of skill level you have to be on to regularly get over 20k per game, I average around 12k per game, 18k for especially good ones

that's for offense mode at least, warfare I tend to get 8-11k per game

and I primarily play auto rifleman (level 8 rn) and Assault (level 6),

I think the most xp I've ever gotten was like 22k

[arctic rampart]

Wanted to check if there's logs of xp gained anywhere, but seems like the tracking sites can't track that, shame.

My best as of recent was 45k as a commander on Tobruk

That was with 5 commends though

[tawny jackal]

damn

Ironicallly I think tobruk is also where I got my record

something about that map

[arctic rampart]

Nah the map was trash that round. One heavy just sitting on the hill sniping 2/3 of our side. Trucks can't move out

Garry spots were also awkward.
If you get middle cap of middle sector, then all the garry spots towards the north are just bad. Mostly can only attack from the south

[keen glen]

That's how the war went irl too

[jade heron]

what happened to the Drachenschanze man 💔

[umbral path]

https://medal.tv/games/hell-let-loose/clips/mjaz2WuJw1XrNm5PC?invite=cr-MSxseW0sNDQzMDI3Nzc0&v=35
increase the timer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461733279479631932/1482678797877907506/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_3.gif

[solid cairn]

https://klipy.com/gifs/boa-noite-portugal

[haughty geode]

Baut die Schanze wieder auf!

Where can I find the modmail?

[silk igloo]

billions and kiss must boys! :3 die

instructions unclear

[umbral path]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-cock-gif-26965664

billons hens must die

[hazy owl]

you bought the game and HLL provides Official servers to play on without any restrictions.. most community owned servers have no restrictions btw.. the important part is community owned, managed and moderated servers the communities pay for and spend enormous time moderating them... you will always have the option to join Official servers as long as the live service lives

[twin niche]

anyone here play chess?

[heady pivot]

Some but I’m not the best

[twin niche]

that's okay

lmk if you wanna run some

[blissful mango]

I play gta 5

[keen glen]

i play red dead redemption 2

and just cause 3

[cosmic pilot]

We only play hll here

We'll have to have an execution now

[oblique crane]

anyone know why my game has big fps changes when doing certain actions

i drop from like 136 to 80

for random things like aiming

[slate canopy]

If you're new to the game and first time playing ont he maps, there is a cache that needs to be made

so it sometimes will stutter and drop fps aiming down sights amongst other things

[oblique crane]

im not new but havent played for like 6 months

sometimes going into sprint triggers it as well

[slate canopy]

Like even with a new update, I still have my original cache but will still stutter a little first couple maps

[oblique crane]

is there anything i can do? or does it fix itself

[slate canopy]

It should fix itself after a couple games if it's what I've encountered

and if oyu ahven't played for a while, it's updated a few times.

so new cache

[twin niche]

I regret nothing

[warm wing]

hello, you can play with friends on ps5/pc ?

[finite berry]

No

[slate canopy]

Crossplay in game is between same platform. So PC is Steam/Epic Games/ PC Gamepass. Console is XBOX/Playstation

[vast sail]

Id love me some Playstation/Xbox Lobby

[uneven gust]

“I love Democracy, I love the Republic”

“ I love Xbox backwards compatibility”

[uneven gust]

What year did GTA V release?

No one say anything

[grizzled kiln]

https://giphy.com/gifs/titanic-FoH28ucxZFJZu

[worthy zephyr]

Hi, we are an Italian team new to the game and we would like to publish on the channel #1343090646168240199 but we are not + allowed yet. What do we need to do to get such a permit? Thx in advance for the answer 😉

[slate canopy]

#division-rules Read the rules, follow them. It will tell you how to get the role at the end. Make sure there isn't a post already.

[worthy zephyr]

I had already read them all when I signed up for the server and I have done so now but nothing has changed. Maybe I need to leave the server and go back in? I have never posted any invitations to my team 🙂

[slate canopy]

#division-rules Division rules is seperate. You have to read that link and it will tell you how to get the role.

[slate canopy]

Looks like you figuredit out The bump system will allow you to bump it in exactly 72 hours time. (So this time in 3 days exactly)

[worthy zephyr]

thx for the info, appreciate them🫡

[sturdy quarry]

whenever you update your graphics drivers it clears the cache so needs to rebuild too

[wind shore]

for some reason every time i play hll all my loadouts reset and hints show again

and i have all cosmetics unlocked for some reason

anyone know a fix

[abstract lichen]

happened to me as well

no idea why. had to recustomise all my guys

[tacit stream]

does driving a jeep around count as truck driving

just interested in knowing

in terms of xp

[slate canopy]

I'd guess yes but lemme see an xp chart (It's not 100% updated but...)

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1280319709249540138

[slate canopy]

Looks like, when last updated in August 2025, yes.

[wind shore]

yeah every single time

[tacit stream]

cool thanks for looking into that for me 👍

[slate canopy]

sure thing

[heady pivot]

I’d be up for it sometime

[north wolf]

any new skins coming to US with Remagen Refresh?

[analog apex]

not to my knowledge...

but honestly when thinking about it, I didn't rly check the exp. branch barracks

just looked, there's nothing new I believe and we know of nothing from other sources either

so if there's a new upcoming DLC, we have to just wait and see I guess

[nova pivot]

Or we can break into T17 offices and check their PCs

[analog apex]

you could get in probably, but expect to come out with cuffs xD

[nova pivot]

Nah they will be happy they get to not work for a day

[analog apex]

But I don't think I will buy any other DLCs anymore. Only if they would fix the reported bipodding problematic asset bugs and implement mortars (and respond to the bugs that would come with them as well). And ofc., getting the mortars in by replacing the static arty guns. Then I would probably buy some of them DLCs.

However I am leaning more towards HLL's end of support and HLL:V's rise, and don't intend to buy something for a potentially dying game. We'll see when HLL:V comes out.

(not saying I am buying HLL:V either of course, not a fan of Vietnam)

[keen glen]

tuff

[oak current]

dont think there was DLCs with reworks prior, so dont think so.
For the new maps, that will surely be different.

[pine ember]

Since its T17 most likely yes

[cyan saddle]

Give me a good offer and I will tell you all I know

[nova pivot]

I will hug you and tell you I love you while I stroke your head

[cyan saddle]

deal

||https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/1ruopks/meme_dev_brief_696_foy_summer_refresh/||

[haughty geode]

Ngl I would play that

[near crane]

When can we get an idea of the release dates of what’s on the roadmap lol a hint at least

[molten sail]

At this stage they will release a footpath

[stark agate]

Turn it the other way around make all maps snow white

I would play that

[arctic rampart]

Carentan snow

Remagen winter and the river's just frozen over

10/10 rework

[pine ember]

Kharkov summer would go hard

[elfin holly]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-classic-announcer-radio-gif-4844905

[pine ember]

Wrong channel

Here its only Blitzkrieg and Panzerschokolade

[elfin holly]

My favorite detail in this game is the watch as squad leader being the accurate time in real life

[analog apex]

Mine is that when we start to sprint, the watch flip outside and through his hand, but well... HLL's SLs are magicians, right? 😬

HLL sadly keeps reminding us about what a broken game it is on its every level 🙁 .

[blissful mango]

I play with ur mother

[stark agate]

It reminds me that the player base will never change and the same old squad leaders do the same old bad tactics teaching new players the same old bs

[pearl ledge]

Isn't it a bit redundant to do major map and gameplay changes at this point of the game? surely about 70% of the playerbase has left. Wouldn't that time be better spent making sure vietnam isnt a carbon copy of this garbage?

[stark agate]

That will kill the game even more
Bring new problems and new players who bring even more problems

And it will repeat the same old same old

But ya all do what ya all want to do but after leaving ww2 there will be no way back and Vietnam will die faster then this game would

[arctic rampart]

If you're thinking total copies bought vs monthly players it's probably close to something like 95%.

But that being said, I don't think it's different than any other game ever

[elfin holly]

Am I the only one who loves the game 😭

[pine ember]

Rita won’t be happy with that

[cunning crystal]

Is the tank bible still accurate?

or have damage vallues changed to much?

[worthy charm]

Not really, I recommend the armor hub.

[nova pivot]

I mean i would like that

[cunning crystal]

am i forgetfull or is there no tank technician role in HLL

[nova pivot]

Not the better hub but still a very good hub

[cunning crystal]

the site shows it but i can't remember it

[cunning crystal]

which would you recommand

[icy plank]

That SDK out yet? 👉🏻👈🏻

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-glad-you-asked-that-blippi-blippi-wonders---educational-cartoons-for-kids-i'm-happy-that-you-brought-that-up-gif-3555957809190880609

Sadly I can't answer you here

[cunning crystal]

oh god

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[icy plank]

🥲

[cosmic pilot]

No

[worthy charm]

There are 3 crewman roles:
1st loadout- starter equipment and useless after you get the 2nd one
2nd loadout - has a blowtorch and 50 supplies, the standard crewman loadout
3rd loadout - Wrench with which it can build refill/repair stations and some fortifications as well.
The 2nd one should be called mechanic and the 3rd one the technician, assuming my memory didnt fail me yet again.

[cunning crystal]

the site makes it look like 3 seperate classes so it confused me

[pine breach]

pigeons.

[pine breach]

on the next episode of Mein Kleine Führer: Willes changes his name to Willies.

[keen glen]

huh

[pine ember]

I am still disappointed that you don’t get the jokes I make regarding your pfp

[nova pivot]

I didn't even know you could tell jokes

[livid verge]

The most unrealistic thing about HLL is the Hit-sound when shooting someone. Why is that? Its so ''arcade''

[past veldt]

HLL is an arcadey game

[livid verge]

its a relistic sim

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1463929163504423034/attachment.gif

[livid verge]

then why arent enemys marked with a red dot?

[past veldt]

It's so realistic

[livid verge]

but why can I hear a hit sound from 150m?

it cant be arcade and realistic at the same time

[past veldt]

Must be arcade then

Glad we solved this mystery together

[livid verge]

but that doesnt make sense

its all realistic until you get that hit sound

[past veldt]

Why does the BAR and Garand do different damage when it's the same bullet?

[livid verge]

good question

but thats not so deep as the hitsound is

[past veldt]

How come shooting the hand does the same damage as the chest

[livid verge]

thats also a thing I noticed

but its not as deep as the hitsound

hitsound is the most arcade thing in the game rn

[past veldt]

It's crazy how arcade the game is

[livid verge]

muzzle velocidy? i guess?

[livid verge]

ehh... ive seen worse

[livid verge]

there are some arcady things about it, but overall it's a good War sim

you could easily improve it

[past veldt]

What is actually realistic in the game

[livid verge]

there are many thigs ''realistic''. Not really ''1:1 IRL'' but its well made

[past veldt]

Like what though

[livid verge]

you die pretty quickly

you cant see the enemys so well if they dont move

[past veldt]

Can't say damage

[livid verge]

the map design is good

[past veldt]

#mess-hall message

[past veldt]

That's just a skill issue idk

I think the only thing is the maps

[livid verge]

bruh... ''cant see well'' and ''cant see at all'' are 2 different things

[past veldt]

except the ones that aren't based on irl stuff

[livid verge]

you can hide from enemys

you dont throw away your mag

you have a really limited ammount of grenades, flairs, etc

[past veldt]

Not sure if the UAV killstreak that Recon have is realistic

[livid verge]

there is no class providing better survivalstats like more speed or HP

[past veldt]

Ammo is a pool, not based on magazines so that's unrealistic

[livid verge]

yeah. i hate that

but not as much as the hit sound

[past veldt]

I like how arcadey this game is

[livid verge]

i like how realistic it is

we could say its on the edge of ''realistic'' and ''arcade''

but compared to Enlistied, it's a really good WW2 simulator

[lucid rapids]

random question: is HLLV planned to support 120hz on PS5? HLL1 is maxed at 60hz on PS5

[past veldt]

Unknown yet

[past veldt]

I don't think you said anything except the maps which is realistic though tbh

Should play El Alamein. Not even a realistic map then 😄

[livid verge]

smth realistic is the seat position in Tanks. Yes, the damagemodle is not that great but the limit ammount of vision really gives that tank feeling

[past veldt]

yeah the realistic speeds are great

wait

[nova pivot]

Eeeh no?

[livid verge]

-Realistic Maps
-Enemys dont have a red mark
-You have realistic tank seats

[livid verge]

wym ''ehh no''

[past veldt]

Enemies have a red map with the flare and recon plane

[nova pivot]

We don't have realistic tank seats

[livid verge]

ugh... ''Flair and Recon plane'' exept for that

[nova pivot]

In a sherman, tiger, p4... You would need 5 crew men

[past veldt]

Devs have invented land for Remagen

[nova pivot]

trees, mountains, a oasis, a bridge... for el alamein

[livid verge]

they summarized it to the importand rolls so everyone has smth to do

[livid verge]

those things need a use somehow. and at least the dots dont move on the map

[nova pivot]

I think the loader is pretty important, try using a tank without reloading shells

Or the radio operator, because the squad leaders weren't magically connected to the comander back then

[livid verge]

Importand as said for those who can do something. Wanna go into a HLL match just to reload a tank every 4 seconds after shooting? You dont do anything exept that. And you are stuck there cuz all weapons you have is a grenade and a pistol

[livid verge]

as I said ''so everyone has smth to do''

[worthy charm]

Just wait until I throw a flying trashbin at you!

That will teach you!

[nova pivot]

The only realistic things are the historical accuracy which is questionable and the 1 shot kill potential which is pretty vague done because in real life a shot to the leg can be worse than a shot to the kidney

[nova pivot]

Exactly it's an arcade thing

Because it wouldn't be fun if it was realistic

Thanks for supporting my point

[past veldt]

2 hit down at 5m

unless you've attached a scope to the bin and then it's 1 hit down to 500m

[livid verge]

You dont understand 😭 I said realistic seats, not realistic rolls

[past veldt]

Is your gaming chair uncomfortable or something?

[nova pivot]

@livid verge sorry for being so annoying we have this conversation like 9 times a week so I'm pretty burnt about it, love u ❤️

[livid verge]

Sitting in the gunners position means you only see the gunners FOV

[worthy charm]

My bin only has a range of 250m and takes like 12 seconds to reload

[slate canopy]

Real rolls? We talking cinnamon roll? Bread roll? 👀

[livid verge]

Sitting in the Driver Position means only having the driver FOV

[livid verge]

sorry for not having english as motherlanguage

[nova pivot]

No please no don't mention him

[slate canopy]

I totally didn't realize until now LMAO

My bad my bad

[livid verge]

look at my horrible upper and loower caced letters

[nova pivot]

You are forgiven

[slate canopy]

I'm just being cheeky 🙂

[nova pivot]

(as if my mother language was English)

[livid verge]

https://tenor.com/view/300-300-rise-of-an-empire-crowcord-this-is-sparta-sparta-remix-gif-6728634673301381645

[livid verge]

noone said u made a mistake qwq your english is great qwq

im making idiot mistakes T~T

[thick stream]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-shocked-cat-side-eye-weird-gif-6628997367095455284

[nova pivot]

As I was saying, feel free to believe the game is realistic, but it simply isn't, I'm happy to speak about anything other thing because I know you are not changing you point of view and I learnt that fighting for lost causes is stupid

[nova pivot]

I said it because I forgave you

[livid verge]

it's all lowercace except names and 1st words of a sentence. i still make the mistake and write em uppercaced

[worthy charm]

flips tank with a smoke grenade = immersion and realism

[livid verge]

now i know that it's more unrealistic thanI thougt, but you're right, i still belive it's more realistic than arcade

[nova pivot]

That is a bug, that doesn't count as a not realistic thing

[nova pivot]

Because it sits in a middle point between arcade and milsim

That is the magic about hll

[livid verge]

but we can make it more realistic

by deleting the hit sound

from 300m

[nova pivot]

I wish, sadly devs are going in the other direction

[worthy charm]

I know, i was being cheeky also I kinda agree

[livid verge]

dev ✅ deaf✅ ✅

[nova pivot]

They're not deaf, they're just ignoring us

😃

[livid verge]

At least not as much as others do COUGH cough Gaijin Cough

[past veldt]

Where does dropping supplies into courtyards you can't access because they're behind a 4ft wall land on the arcade / realism scale?

[nova pivot]

Realism

Very realistic thing

[finite berry]

It's between arcade and milsim, but not in the middle lol

[nova pivot]

It was a way of speaking

Go back to s44

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-angry-stare-angry-birds-mad-gif-14481083

[nova pivot]

Ninja 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[past veldt]

He can't everyone has hopped off for the night

[nova pivot]

Everyone? You mean him?

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shield-gif-4723149553822545077

[livid verge]

in a middle point =/= in the middle point

[past veldt]

and his alter egos

[finite berry]

Eh, nah, there's a full server :D but I moderated my server today for three hours, so I'm out for today 🫂

[livid verge]

well. As long as I dont have to play warthunder. Because compared to that, HLL would be outstanding realistic

[nova pivot]

Imagine moderating 4 dudes for 3 hours, you must be exhausted

[finite berry]

Depends lol

Seeding usually is fun because you can have some mindless fun with Gun Game mod

[nova pivot]

You can't really compare hll and wt they are completely different games which focus in completly different things

[finite berry]

After that, it depends on how competent the players and how equalised the teams are :D

[finite berry]

this lol

[livid verge]

War Simulator

[finite berry]

War Thunder and HLL are COMPLETELY different

[finite berry]

HLL is not a simulator

[nova pivot]

None of them are a war simulator

[finite berry]

And neither is War Thunder, honestly

[nova pivot]

Lol

[livid verge]

what is it then?

[finite berry]

An immversive, somewhat historically accurate arcade shooter that is heavily leaning hardcore

Like, not even Squad or Arma are simulators

[nova pivot]

Heavily leaning hardcore is a strong statement

[finite berry]

IL-2 Sturmovik is a simulator

[livid verge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-point-gif-10097738788975479220

we can say it's a ''Tactical WW2 ego shooter'' (with a base on historical accuracy)

[livid verge]

im comparing the realisim of both games, not the games themselfe

[nova pivot]

Do you play arty?

[livid verge]

sometimes

but i play almost every role

last days playing almost only Officer to provide more infantry space

[nova pivot]

But tank or the static gun?

[livid verge]

static gun

y?

[nova pivot]

I was hoping you played the arty tanks

I want to play them but I don't have competent mates to do it

[livid verge]

nah, i got flanked by AT and tanks all the time

[livid verge]

you can use it alone

[nova pivot]

Stay back then

[nova pivot]

Eww

[livid verge]

recon marks me all the time

[livid verge]

ehh, if you found a spot, the driver has nothing else more to do exept waiting

and it has the same range as the static gun

[nova pivot]

I see you don't like realism then

[livid verge]

cant reach the last sector with any of em

[livid verge]

well thats why they dont have a loader and a radio operator

[nova pivot]

War is 97% waiting

[livid verge]

Ik, thats why I dont go to war

[nova pivot]

Not because you don't want to get shot

[finite berry]

lmfao

[livid verge]

nah

[finite berry]

"nah fam, dying in war is fine, but waiting all the time, that's what's really bad"

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gigachad-meme-giga-talk-talkmeme-gif-27266504

[nova pivot]

Based quote

[livid verge]

https://tenor.com/view/atulesh-writes-atulesh-gifs-atulesh-peak-writing-shakespeare-peeking-atulesh-gif-10943194106667803764

is it unethical when -ing your own suggestion post?

[lucid rapids]

unironically what soldiers say

[frosty hamlet]

why are the snow maps so difficult or it's a skill issue

[mellow knoll]

Skill issue

[proud socket]

How can I report players who are hacking on official eu servers

[real parrot]

official servers are unmodered, its a jungle. Play on community

[slate canopy]

https://support.team17.com/hell-let-loose/en/articles/316972-reporting-a-player-on-hell-let-loose

[haughty geode]

They are not really difficult, Foy is a bit open in some areas but if you move slowly and use cover you dont really get problems there either

[cedar ore]

Sorry mate it’s a skill issue

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[brittle iris]

Cacanq

[runic gorge]

when seelow heights

[feral osprey]

Tomorrow

[haughty geode]

[honest pecan]

Guy Seelow Heights tomorrow

[haughty geode]

Would be nice if

[zenith kite]

hey

[haughty geode]

Btw T17 can we get an Operation Barbarossa map?

[sullen iris]

You want the ENTIRE EASTERN FRONT as a map? 😭

[haughty geode]

Bro the eastern front isnt Operation Barbarossa

Operation Barbarossa is just the operation that opened it

[sullen iris]

I know
But that's such a vast operation that you could never fit that on one map

That's like saying I want a Operation Overlord map

[haughty geode]

A map set during that operation, not the entire operation in one map...

[haughty geode]

And we have many of those

[sullen iris]

You know what that makes more sense now, my bad I understood it wrong

[haughty geode]

No problem mate

[covert elbow]

Honestly HLL has an issue with naming maps after larger operations or battles despite them being a specific part of it. Like Omaha beach being Dog Green and a little bit of Charlie Sector or Hurtgen Forest which is maybe the battle of kall trail and not the entire multi month operation

[pine ember]

They most likely do that because Hürtgen Forest sells better than Kall Trail

[covert elbow]

Oh absolutely

Same with Stalingrad

[pine ember]

And they arent wrong with the name either

[covert elbow]

Goes a lot better than “banks of the Volga”

[pine ember]

Remember when the Stalingrad map was announced and they said it will not be called Stalingrad because there will be multiple Stalingrad maps?

Those were the good times

[covert elbow]

[runic chasm]

Hey quick question, can SPA be spotted (and has an exclusive icon) by reckon plane/flare? does anybody knows this?

[past vortex]

shows as tank

[runic chasm]

okay bruh thanks

[honest pecan]

That's not really an issue

minor caveat at most

It doesn't really impact anything at all

[smoky surge]

@fluid wigeon

[fluid wigeon]

Thanks house

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[smoky surge]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-gif-13390470055447068071

[vapid forum]

Why your game is off game pass?

[nova pivot]

Yes, for several months now

[vapid forum]

Yeah it kinda sucks, how's the game after game pass folks gone? Servers still full?

[nova pivot]

Yes

[worthy charm]

No ded game?

[nova pivot]

Nah it's alive

For now

[worthy charm]

Floppa approved alive game.

Someone gotta tell Ben so we can add it to the Steam page.

[finite berry]

Can you approve another certain game as alive as well 👉 👈 🥺

[nova pivot]

Of course send me 50 € and I'll approve whatever you want

[finite berry]

really :( after all that I did for you :(

[nova pivot]

What have you done for me? I asked you to get me a Flecktarn jacket and you refused.

[finite berry]

Because I can't xD

which I also told you

[nova pivot]

Just ask your boss if they can give you one, I don't think it'll be that difficult, I'm sure they have plenty.

[umbral harbor]

Why can I connect to any server
Pc

[past vortex]

its a mp game

[umbral harbor]

I know it's multiplayer?

[past vortex]

yea, thats why you can connect to servers

[umbral harbor]

Autocorrect sorry
I meant can't

[past vortex]

timeout?
game on ssd?

[slate canopy]

Crossplay?

[umbral harbor]

Game on SSD?

[slate canopy]

Is it?

[past vortex]

doesnt really work on hdd

[umbral harbor]

Let me check

I installed it on a standard disk drive

Yeah

[worthy charm]

Floppa would never lie

[finite berry]

You don't seem to understand who my boss is xD

[finite berry]

Put it on SSD

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[frosty hamlet]

will most guns on hll Vietnam's have scopes on them?

[analog apex]

That's a topic for #base-camp, not mess hall. 😏

[nova pivot]

Who is your boss? A boring clerk?

I thought it would be a sexy German ofizier called hans

[finite berry]

Comes close to it lol

[hazy owl]

red dot too

[river rover]

WOW very quiet night. 4 people since 9PM EST.

[nova pivot]

Ben is ONLINE

News today 🔥

Hopefully we can get a teaser about Juno or maybe a new weapon, because teasers are a very good way of maintaining the hype and T17 Devs know that, right?

[analog apex]

And hopefully** we could also get a better answer to the mortars question** than the one we got in the playtest stream - that we are getting them in HLL:V. That was not an answer.

Because we aren't getting them HERE. Fellow WWII peeps here in a HLL (HLL1 aka WWII game) channel or watching HLL(1) playtest don't care about getting mortars in another game, played in a different time period, especially not Vietnam. We need them HERE and HLL(1) has needed them for quite a long time. Any kind of concrete news on that front would be appreciated.

😐

[finite berry]

I mean, it was an answer

An indirect one, but an answer nevertheless

[grizzled kiln]

And the fact it was the first goal in the kickstarter lol..Devs just dgaf man.

[finite berry]

When you ask them "when are we getting mortars in HLL" and Ben answers "we are getting mortars in HLLV", that's just a corporate way of saying we are not getting mortars for HLL

Instead of saying "never", they go "in our next product 😃"

[analog apex]

The ever present question has been about mortars in current HLL. Hence the answer was not to this question.

[finite berry]

@analog apex

[analog apex]

I don't care about corporate way. We need a clear answer what's being done about the mortars in HLL(1).

And if there won't be any, then they should say it clearly as well.

[finite berry]

But they do, and that's the important thing here :D

[analog apex]

Keeping us in an informational limbo doesn't do good to anybody - nor for us, nor for the devs. It's a very saturated topic - they can't keep being quiet about it.

[finite berry]

It has become abundantly clear that there won't be mortars for HLL

[nova pivot]

Okay guys, are you busy next week?

See you next Friday at Wakefield

Bring Bricks

[analog apex]

wtf is that 😄

[nova pivot]

The place where t17 is based

[analog apex]

huh? 😵‍💫

[nova pivot]

Yes

Wakefield

It's in England

[analog apex]

is it a new game or something?

oooh

[nova pivot]

It's a place

[fringe hollow]

there is no way this is a real conversation I just saw

[cyan saddle]

I know you meant this as a joke but I hope you realize that it is a terrible joke

Even worse than the ones @worthy charm usually makes

[finite berry]

That's right

We oughta bring mortars instead of bricks

[worthy charm]

I would disagree if you wouldnt be right

also I dont have the time to dispute it

need to play good games

[cyan saddle]

Trying to wrap my head around that statement, also considering my "usually wrong" status

And it's not wrapping

If you disagree if I wouldn't be right, but I am right, yet usually wrong, do you disagree or do you not?

[heady hornet]

I mean, this time around you are unusually correct.

[cyan saddle]

Exactly

That's what makes it even more complicated

[heady hornet]

do you know who can help you with that? @past veldt

[nova pivot]

I like turtles

[cyan saddle]

He's too busy helping lost redditors

[worthy charm]

@past veldt We need you, our paladin in shining armour!

I summon thee!

[worthy charm]

We dont need bricks, when we can have flying dustbins

or would you translate it "Fliegende Mülltonne".

[gentle lintel]

Communicate in English please

[nova pivot]

No

[cosmic pilot]

Lmfao

[cosmic pilot]

HA

[worthy charm]

Kartoffelsuppe

Is what I will eat today

[finite berry]

I had Schwäbische Maultauschen today :D

[arctic rampart]

You mean just dumplings?

[past veldt]

I've been summoned

[arctic rampart]

ngl would love some dumplings rn

Had some with moose meat made like half a year ago, but they were eliminated quite quickly

[past veldt]

And asking for @small pilot's CV

Wait he was a lost redditor too

[worthy charm]

German dumplings :}

In or with soup? Not sure...

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-i-see-you-you-are-man-of-culture-as-well-gif-26222969

[cosmic pilot]

I have a philosophical question

Is chili a soup or a stew

[arctic rampart]

stew

[worthy charm]

cereal

[keen glen]

https://tenor.com/view/bursting-out-laughing-laughing-laugh-blue-emoji-laughing-blue-emoji-gif-6011199357312955063

[cosmic pilot]

Where is the dried grain

[worthy charm]

Cereal

[cosmic pilot]

Hmm, maybe you have a point

I do like to have chili with my sour cream

[cosmic pilot]

Is manwich also a stew?

[arctic rampart]

From googling what it looks like, I'd say yes? But damn it's even thicker

[cosmic pilot]

You've never had manwich?
Are you even a man?

[arctic rampart]

No, we don't have that stuff this far east

I have rasols and solyanka

[steel rapids]

Hey lads have a quick question before I break any rules is there an admin here I can talk to?

[keen glen]

yes im listening

[steel rapids]

So I read the rules I just can't make out anything from it how can I post a message for our comp team I'm the team leader of it

[keen glen]

Press L and type

[steel rapids]

? Where do you mean to do this

[keen glen]

in game

[steel rapids]

I'm on play station

I mean here in the discord with the #1343089641489961001 Channel

[cyan saddle]

Follow the instruction in #division-rules

[keen glen]

yeah just follow those

[rocky linden]

Stop ruining the game with poop updates

[arctic rampart]

Bro how can that dude be so normie 💀

[glass crow]

need more updates to make it better

[woeful holly]

Anyone know any good mil sims

[analog apex]

The only closest to being one is Arma Reforger. They say it is less milsim-y than was for instance Arma III, but still... there is nothing else made with modern dev tools that would be closer than that.

[keen glen]

escape from tarkov

[arctic rampart]

EFT ain't no milsim

What kind of fent take is that

Anyway, here's your average HLL player: https://www.reddit.com/user/MyHappyFace1/comments/1rxb1s8/i_know_i_suck_but_what_about_these_guys/

[keen glen]

skill issue

[arctic rampart]

Brain issue

[worthy charm]

Thats from consoles right?

[finite berry]

On console only or also PC?

[arctic rampart]

They ain't no better on pc

I legit just get triggered when players like that come in any kind of discussions regarding the game. imho they have 0 say in anything... ever...

[thin lotus]

After playing bf6 -which is in itself toned down from prior bf games’ movement, seeing any HLL footage shows how absolutely geriatric HLL is, it is comically slow.

[cosmic pilot]

You summoned him

[thin lotus]

The fact theres a sizable percentage of hll players that think or at any time thought HLLs movement was too much is insane

Literally insane

[atomic harbor]

When do they share some info about hll Vietnam

[arctic rampart]

Same day public match commanders stop spamming strafing runs and going in a ammo deficit for the rest of the match

[blazing frost]

people are more likey to complain about what they dont like than praise something they do like.

[thin lotus]

I get that, that applies to pretty much anything that can be critiqued.
There has been so much relative increase of backlash from players throughout hlls development about movement speed, regardless of how comically slow it’s always been

[past vortex]

it would basically be teleporting if it was any faster

[thin lotus]

Oh yeah most definitely

But that’s the thing, it’s this self-feeding gameplay issue where the movement is so geriatric that you basically have to teleport around as a means to gain ground.

[analog apex]

Why should there be faster sprint? If there would be fatigue/stamina, ofc. let's have it faster. But since it is unlimited and the maps are large, we can't be allowed speeding around them like that.

[past vortex]

we are also too old to react to faster movement

[weary fog]

could anybody tell me where i can learn more about this game? i just joined and im trash at the game but i wanna play good

[worthy charm]

we?

Dont make abu come back here to call me old again

[past vortex]

aint you over 24

basicall half dead

[worthy charm]

Im not

but youre the 2nd person that says 24 is the "end of life" date

[past vortex]

so what is your excuse then

[past vortex]

thats well known common sense

[thin lotus]

Google “human benchmark” and post your reaction time right now

[blazing frost]

the only prblems ive had with movement are getting stuck in a hurdle animation and aiming at the sky while prone

[thin lotus]

Yeah those are issues that are separate from speed

[weary fog]

wheres the boot camp? i just joined and i wanna find the place where i can train (in dc)

[blazing frost]

would be cool to get a rolling around while prone too so youre not break dancing on the ground

[arctic rampart]

Training consists of plugging in your mic, taking rifleman in a squad and playing

[analog apex]

speed is not an issue under the circumstances

[weary fog]

ballright

[blazing frost]

my rifleman is zero, engineer and support were my gotos at first

[analog apex]

HLL would first need stamina system to allow faster (but limited) sprints

[arctic rampart]

Ask questions to the other guys, if they don't answer go in a diff squad and ask there

[weary fog]

true

[past vortex]

yea you just gotta have a mic, find a squad that talks, then ask and watch to learn

[arctic rampart]

I don't even remember what were my go-tos at the start. I just recall that the first I got to 10 was spotter

[weary fog]

aight thx mate

[blazing frost]

same, spotters are hard to get tho, so now i just run squad lead unless the team needs a command

[arctic rampart]

I load in always first 😄

[weary fog]

also why are there no artillery guns in the practise range? i really wanna try out artillery but cant find them

[blazing frost]

launchin game now

[arctic rampart]

Gtfo from the artillery

Don't even think about it

Pretend it doesn't exist

[weary fog]

like i shouldnt be in artillery?

[arctic rampart]

if you just started, f no. You'll get more tk's than kills and if not, just waste ammo

[weary fog]

aight

[blazing frost]

arty is clutch i got my name is khan from it, easy way to get kills without dying, otherwise a recon tank i ran around 200 ks one game

[weary fog]

then what should i use?

what is bro typing

[blazing frost]

tru tho on the TKs those come in waves if you cant communicate to the SLs that the blueberries are running into death

[weary fog]

i mean its hard for me to find people who can help newbies out

so yeah im kinda stuck in the uselles tier

[blazing frost]

play support and follow the squad lead around

[weary fog]

aight

[arctic rampart]

Use the logical progression path:
Step 1: Play normal classes within a squad. Aka your MG's, AT's, automatic rifleman, support, engineer.
Step 2: When you get a decent grasp of Step 1, proceed to try other squad types such as armor and recon (preferably try not to be the SL of armor or recon, but participate as a soldier within them)
Step 3: When you get a grasp of those you can try basic level SL'ing. So do like a basic infantry squad lead, but just be vocal about being new to SL'ing. You can be SL of whatever squad, doesn't matter, but ask and listen to others more than thinking you know better.
Step 4: When you learn to comm well within Step 3 (aka both to your squad and other SL's), feel free to test the waters of commander and stuff like arty (since both heavily rely on comms)
Step 5: Profit. Or y'know. Get better at whatever floats your boat within the game

[weary fog]

or should i drive a supply vechile around dropping supplies?

[blazing frost]

also if you want to play a good game its time consuming matches go for about while

[arctic rampart]

No

[blazing frost]

supply trucks are moreso for building garris or nodes

[weary fog]

moreso?

i really dont know hll slang

[worthy charm]

Step 6: Only play flamethrower

:}

[blazing frost]

as opposed to just supply rund unless youre playing defensive then youll need them

[arctic rampart]

Best case scenario for you, would be within Step 1 right now.
So join any normal squad, take any class that isn't squad lead. Try to look for squads with Sl's and people that speak (since there's always bozos that don't).
You can then ask what to do or ask about stuff you're unclear about

[weary fog]

aight

any chance that i could play with someone here sometime?

rl wanna make my dad proud

[arctic rampart]

Ye there's a channel for it. If you're EU based idk, you can hit me up for some play time some day.

[weary fog]

aight

[arctic rampart]

If it's some bigger topic or you're having issues with such as "What are nodes?" then ask them in here or in #new-recruit-barracks.

[weary fog]

thx

[arctic rampart]

They're just a bit annoying to explain within the game, maybe others won't appreciate long conversations over squad comms. So it's better to just ask separate, or maybe at match end or just in Discord or watch 1 of 1000 videos on YouTube.

[weary fog]

alr understood

[lusty viper]

New map idea West side of Omaha beach. Exit F1 #off-topic-mess-hall pics posted

[hardy orbit]

do we know if HLL Vietnam will have customizable private servers (I.e. US v US fights, etc)

[lusty viper]

Ur joking right. If HLL has it already it's safe to say yes.

[worthy charm]

Probably not, but they didnt say that per se

[vocal jay]

Anyone want to hop on a game with me? Kinda new to the game still

[worthy charm]

#console-looking-for-unit

[jade heron]

Hi

[atomic pendant]

Hook us up with a link to your superior video tutorials.

I don't know why you've got a hard on for shitting on me. What have I ever done to you?

here it is
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQTVlEFnQE4yjmHOMUoMOOw

impressive

[past veldt]

Sheesh

It's nice to know you still search your own name

[atomic pendant]

You gonna answer the question?

What exactly did I do to make you feel the need to bash me in here whenever my name comes up?

Keep being the tough guy of the mess hall bud

weak

[nova pivot]

Calm down guys lets keep this chill and friendly

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-cute-gif-25858838

[atomic pendant]

I've done nothing to Critical. But someone can't mention my videos without him talking crap about me. I was genuinely wondering why that is, but he doesn't have an answer. He's just a troll.

Very weird to me that someone would crap on someone who makes free content to help the community

but that apparently bothers him

[grand grove]

I mean, it sounds like things are until Critical opens his mouth. Not sure what he brings to this place asides from the salt from tears of jealousy.

[past veldt]

Jealous of...

[cosmic pilot]

me trying to keep my mouth shut
https://tenor.com/view/dobby-gif-24626893

[grand grove]

that people actually like him and listen to him willingly, whereas you have to whine to get any attention.

[finite berry]

I mean, I get why SoulSniper is upset

[past veldt]

Oh right

[nova pivot]

It's okay, having haters means you are relevant, personally I don't watch your vids, but I don't watch hll in general, anyways I'm sure they are helpful to everyone trying to get on the game

[past veldt]

Oh it's nothing about his videos. he was rude to me once a couple years ago and then i found out he searches his name in here

[nova pivot]

Solution: open it, the struggle will end

[atomic pendant]

What did I do that was rude?

I'm sure you can produce it

[grand grove]

so salty AND the pathetic type that holds grudges, gotcha.

[atomic pendant]

Yep I do search my name. If someone is discussing me or trying to ask me something, I like to be responsive.

[chrome furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[cosmic pilot]

this explains the hive mind banning policy most servers have 🤭

[nova pivot]

I mean, @worthy charm once banned me for no reason and I'm not angry with him

[grand grove]

now, Critical, i know this can be a foreign concept to you, but what Soul just explained its whats called "being helpful". its where you put aside your own ego and help someone else.

[past veldt]

You'll find 1000 examples of me helping people in here and on reddit 🙂

[grand grove]

if its anything like what youve said in here its probably salt ridden and telling people to "git gud"

[atomic pendant]

Then let's just agree to be helpful to people. I'd like to know whatever it was that I said to you that you felt was rude in the past. If it was, I would genuinely admit it and apologize.

[past veldt]

You should look into it more

[grand grove]

nah, seems like to you looking up peoples name is a bad thing, so I wouldnt want to catch your salt either lol

but perhaps youd like to share some examples? then again, that also is kinda lame too, so i guess ill jsut have to go off what youve said now. oh well

[atomic pendant]

If you don't want to squash it, then it's on you. I'm right here. Willing to chat through it.

But I sincerely doubt I said anything rude to you. I respect people's opinions and I'm not just blindly an a-hole to people.

[cosmic pilot]

what's your opinion on the flare cooldown

while i have you here

[past veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1320450047002939428/1483938098365599904/attachment.gif?ex=69bc688c&is=69bb170c&hm=bde598b87884577b94e08ebdd69e35177af10073339a2a8100b11ada8abe4250&=

I'm working on it

[past veldt]

Apology accepted

[nova pivot]

47 of those 56 pages are big floppa pictures

[cosmic pilot]

big if true

[past veldt]

There's definitely 4 of me just writing that the reinforce tooltip is wrong over and over

and 3 pages of Ben

[nova pivot]

You should add big floppa pictures

[finite berry]

Gigantic even

[grand grove]

gotcha, so a majority obscured image with who knows what on it is an example of you helping? cool, and ive got oceanfront property in wyoming id like to sell you. you interested?

[worthy charm]

Its was by accident I swear!

-# It wasnt

[nova pivot]

I know willy I know...

[fossil gorge]

Soul basically just runs around making jokes about male genitals and being a goof.

[chrome furnace]

Excuse me ill have you know that this is an undefeated in 2025 comp commander you are talking to

Show some respect!

[atomic pendant]

I don't really have a problem with the cool down changes, though I find flares to be a bit cheesy to begin with. The way they act as radars.

[past veldt]

I actually lost one game

[sharp nimbus]

How to shoot rifle? Pls help

[cosmic pilot]

next question, does conquest "feel like HLL" ™

[atomic pendant]

Reasonable guy here

[grand grove]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-spiderman-meme-laugh-laughing-gif-7178438

[past veldt]

If you'd ever like to learn the commander role, I am always happy to provide all the tips and tricks needed

[grand grove]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[atomic pendant]

Conquest is still very much a game of territory control disguised in a game about tickets. As with many ticket-based games, nobody pays a ton of attention to them until they are getting dangerously low.

The reason I feel there's a general sentiment that it doesn't feel like hll is that it spreads teams very thin across so many different objectives that it doesn't feel like a front line ever forms. And I think the presence of a front line being so prominent in the game modes we've had up until now makes anything without a front line feel weird, or at least not like hll.

[grand grove]

nice to see you trying on the "being helpful" hat instead of the salty one Critical. id say keep that one on for awhile, suits you better than what youve said before.

[past veldt]

I'll just switch between the two

[cosmic pilot]

i don't understand where this comes from because warfare doesn't typically have a frontline either

and the mechanics of warfare don't really lend themselves to a frontline like they used to

the game is much more about leapfrogging behind the enemy as fast as you can

[atomic pendant]

It's not as defined as offensive mode, but it definitely does in my opinion. You've got two adjacent strong points and both teams wanting control over them. Naturally the majority of combat happens between them. That's what I'm referring to as a "Frontline."

Yes you get some squats flanking and some blueberries scattered around the middle of nowhere, but largely a majority are somewhere on or between those two points.

[cosmic pilot]

having a blob of friendlies in a bottleneck doesn't count as a frontline

[past veldt]

conquest will feel like a series of small skirmishes

[atomic pendant]

Flanking or leapfrogging is definitely an important part of the game mode. But I would argue that the reason you're able to do that and it's so effective is because there's somewhat of a front line to keep the majority distracted while you do so.

[grand grove]

and thus you've stumbled onto why people would choose someone else to listen or follow over listening to you. Good day.

[fervent dagger]

This is just my take on it but I feel that if those side points conquest has didn't sweep the whole row and instead just did the square territory with the corner territory belonging to their respective sides at all times, it would probably help.

[atomic pendant]

I'm talking about an area of the map where two teams clash in a concentration heavier than elsewhere on the map. I'm just using the term front line for that blob.

[cosmic pilot]

the base of fire in warfare doesn't have to be a frontline for it to be effective
what most commonly happens is a ying yang shape, where the majority of your forces are behind the enemy point and the majority of your enemies forces are behind your point

[cosmic pilot]

frontline means a defensive formation that spans the full width of the map

there's not enough players to do what with the freedom of spawn point locations

[atomic pendant]

Warfare is kind of like a big hurricane swirling over the two contested points with a few tornadoes scattered about.

Conquest is like 50 tornadoes scattered all over the map and no hurricane.

[cosmic pilot]

fair

[atomic pendant]

I think the average player thinks of Warfare when they think of hll. They picture that hurricane.

I do too

So when you take that hurricane out and replace it with 50 tornadoes all over the place, the flow of combat is different than what people are used to and therefore it feels different. Because it is.

[cosmic pilot]

true, we need to get the hll playerbase off it's warfare addiction 😄

[fervent dagger]

That will never happen, not fully

[sharp nimbus]

How to throw back grenades?

[atomic pendant]

It's the most popular mode for a reason.

That doesn't mean there's no mode that could possibly be better

[cosmic pilot]

the reason is people are addicted to doing the same thing over and over again

[wind shore]

for some reason every time i play hll all my loadouts reset and hints show again

[cosmic pilot]

that's not a legitamate reason

[wind shore]

and i have all cosmetics unlocked for some reason anyone know a fix

[atomic pendant]

You can't in this game

[sharp nimbus]

Thanks for the help

[past veldt]

You've got some files set to read only in App Data/Local/HLL

[wind shore]

ohh how do i fix that

[atomic pendant]

Warfare is fine. Introduce new modes, but if they aren't as popular as warfare it is what it is. People enjoy warfare, myself included.

[past veldt]

C:\Users\Reb (or whatever your name is on your PC)\AppData\Local\HLL\Saved\Config\WindowsNoEditor

[cosmic pilot]

warfare lacks a degree of structure that would encourage a cohessive experience
on the other hand, i think it's fine that warfare is a bit chaotic

[wind shore]

got it thank you so much genuinely

[cosmic pilot]

the problem is, warfare is so cemented at this point it would be futlie to change it's ruleset

meaning our only chance to fix the structural problems with warfare is to get a new gamemode

conquest doens't fix the problems with warfare so much as supply a different experience

[past veldt]

It's a bit of a people problem too

[cosmic pilot]

which is also fine

[past veldt]

Like, warfare can have a frontline and be pretty cohesive if the two teams get into that, but because most players aren't looking for 90 minute stalemates, it's not likely to happen

[cosmic pilot]

that's what i mean by structural.
warfare is so unstructured that it's not just people failing to perform within the existing structure, as it is people failing to even play the game

and with the lack of structure enforced by the game you do get the freedom to do interesting things

[covert elbow]

Really should just block him dude. I have for like 2 years

[cosmic pilot]

which is nice, but under utilized by the playerbase

you get this gameplay entropy where people default into doing the easiest thing at any given moment

because that's what the other team is doing

if they do that better than you, you lose

[past veldt]

I guess that's the key thing for HLL, it's trying to replicate the feeling of a big battle

which needs some freedom for players to be able to make the hollywood version of that for themselves

[cosmic pilot]

you can do that with a more explicit structure

most people don't even recognize that warfare has phases of battle because the game isn't telling them they are happening

for me, the ideal win condition in warfare is the 10min meeting engagement

it never gets past the meeting engagement phase if you do it right

[heady hornet]

the what?

[cosmic pilot]

a term that describes when two armies are moving towards each other but don't know each other's exact location

neither side is in a prepared defensive position

which is another "problem" with HLL, is static defensive positions aren't valuable or useful like how they are compared to ww2 combat

the tradeoff was gaining rapid dying and respawning

which has the benefit of making battles feel larger without having to up the absolute quantity of players

[covert elbow]

I still wish they would have done the “local tickets” instead of global to punish bad spawn placements instead of just deaths and not capping more points then the enemy (which is also just kinda dumb imo)

[atomic pendant]

What do you suggest? You mention structure or lack thereof. What would you like to see implemented that you feel would put more structure in place and how would i make for a better experience?

[cosmic pilot]

there has to be a definitive structure enforced by the game that dictates who is attacking and defending at any given time

in warfare you have to attack and defend at the same time

[atomic pendant]

OK so your main issue with Warfare is the push and pull (attack while also defending) mechanic

You don't like that it splits the team or?

[cosmic pilot]

insofar as it's conducive to a frontline, which it isn't

[atomic pendant]

But couldn't one argue that Offensive solves that problem by very much having a structure?

[cosmic pilot]

the whole reason comp is "strategically" boring is (and this is an example of gameplay entropy) both teams push through "the front door" because it actually is attacking and defending at the same time

[cosmic pilot]

no, because one side is stuck defending

like, yes

offensive has more structure

but it's limited in that it has no possiblity for the change of momentum

[atomic pendant]

So how would this structure you propose work? One team attacks and once they capture, they must dig in and defende while the other team now attacks?

[cosmic pilot]

basically, yes

[atomic pendant]

I'm just trying to understand what you're proposing by the way, not at all scrutinizing your opinion

[cosmic pilot]

i'm purposfully being vague 😛

[atomic pendant]

So then you would essentially have two teams take turns trying to attack or defend a single objective, no?

[cosmic pilot]

mostly because i'm condensing stuff i've been saying for literal years

[cosmic pilot]

no, it can work with multiple linear objectives

[atomic pendant]

So then one team would somehow capture and lock in an objective, which then is no longer in play? It's on to the next one.

how would that work exactly if you want to give both teams the chance to attack and defend?

[cedar ore]

thats the original gamemode no?

[nova pivot]

Basically Verdun gameplay

[atomic pendant]

I haven't played, sorry

[cosmic pilot]

this is the tricky part
and since i don't have the tools to design and test the exact mechanics for this, i haven't bothered to solve it

[cosmic pilot]

no

[atomic pendant]

I think there'd be a crowd that enjoys something like that

[cosmic pilot]

the original gamemode all...20? objectives were capturable at the same time

[nova pivot]

Shhhh celdis is writing 👀

[novel geyser]

The problems I have with warfare is more it doesnt work as well for a pub game than offensive.
Offensive forces more structure and warfare doesnt. Warfare also lacks any win conditions other than owning the most points or capturing all points which can make some games feel like total filler if a losing team manages to cap mid in the last few minutes

[atomic pendant]

Me personally, one of the things I love about HLL is the freedom you get. You can have very strongly coordinated pushes or you can decide to take your squad and say screw the meatgrinder, we're going to go wipe out their backline garries by flanking 4 grid squares around.

[cosmic pilot]

i just want warfare to be acknowledged as the chaotic unstructured mess that it is 😅
and i do enjoy that

[atomic pendant]

which is why I enjoy Warfare lol

[cosmic pilot]

but it gives you no right to complain when the majority of players aren't playing the game

if you are going to complain about that

then you have to accept that they need a more structured gamemode

[atomic pendant]

me?

[novel geyser]

how about they remove the round timer for warfare

[cosmic pilot]

you and anyone else if you think warfare is "fine" 😛

[novel geyser]

only ends when all points are capped

[atomic pendant]

I think it would be a big mistake to change warfare

[cosmic pilot]

i said that already

it's stuck as is

[atomic pendant]

it's the most established and popular game mode. The answer is to create new modes and let the players decide what they like best

[novel geyser]

its a big mistake to change anything in this game with the way people act at the smallest thing

[atomic pendant]

But it's only "stuck" to you and those who don't care for it.

Those who enjoy it, don't feel it's "stuck" lol

[cosmic pilot]

this isn't helpful either, because ideally you'd want all gamemodes to be enjoy as the best gamemode by as many players as possible

[atomic pendant]

So I welcome more game modes because it's more variety. Different strokes

[cosmic pilot]

you should want to capture all the players who are warfare fans, offensive fans, skirmish fans, and conquest fans

if they never cross between gamemodes that's fine

[vale garnet]

Warfare is the best mode, the only thing that makes it hard to enjoy in pubs is the players

[cosmic pilot]

except for the case of warfare players complaining about new gamemodes

[cosmic pilot]

read the sign

but it gives you no right to complain when the majority of players aren't playing the game

[vale garnet]

The second you play a comp game, the mode kinda clicks honestly

But the only way to get close in pubs is the times where you get a few comp squads mixed in on each side

[cosmic pilot]

this is your brain on the front door grinder gameplay
and not vehicular maneuver gameplay

[novel geyser]

The mode is designed for a team that communicates, a casual pub match will never get to the level of orginisation comp matches will get and I think they need to somewhat embrace that

[nova pivot]

This

[novel geyser]

keep warfare as it is for the comp scene so they dont start having a baby fit and introduce better modes for casual

[cosmic pilot]

stop saying the same thing i am but differently 😒

[vale garnet]

I’m not a meatgrind player but sure

[novel geyser]

no u

[atomic pendant]

When you allow yourself to enjoy the journey and not worry about the result of the match, you are truly free. 😉

[nova pivot]

Is difficult to enjoy a 2 garry game

[atomic pendant]

rather have fun and goof with the boys and lose than be in a tryhard match that takes itself way too seriously and win.

[vale garnet]

In pubs I don’t really care about winning, I just want a decent 90 minute game

[nova pivot]

This

[vale garnet]

In comp, I’m purely playing for my friends

[cosmic pilot]

playing commander when it's so bleak is terrible though 😅

[novel geyser]

all that journey feels completely pointless when it ends in such a silly way though

its the buildup to victory getting snatched out of your hands because BM couldnt design a game mode properly

[atomic pendant]

What's the silly way it ends?

[novel geyser]

that being said I have had plenty of great matches I've lost when the squad is communicating

[atomic pendant]

like what are you specifically referring to?

just disorganization and lack of coordination I assume?

[novel geyser]

Getting back capped when the round timer runs out
You spend the entire match on the verge of winning and then something clicks in the last few minutes you lose the middle point and then all the effort you went through is pointless because the enemy managed to get the middle point

I've witnessed that happen, so many times

thought its usually around the 30 minute mark the switch happens I notice, but a worse case scenario its at the very last few minutes

[vale garnet]

That’s just a skill issue though

Good Garry network and that can’t happen

[novel geyser]

my man

Its games where you have a huge garry network everyone keeps on top of it then maybe a few people leave and it all just falls apart

[atomic pendant]

It's not pointless if I had fun the whole time leading up to that moment.

[novel geyser]

With a pub match
fun is hard to come by

[atomic pendant]

Not for me

I have fun in pubs exclusively

[vale garnet]

I have fun when I’m terrorising comp players on the other team so the poor blueberries don’t have to deal with them

[worthy charm]

Youre doin something wrong

[novel geyser]

no everyone else is doing the game wrong

[worthy charm]

I mean... the chance isnt 0

[novel geyser]

I dont find baby sitting garrisons fun, and thats All i'd be left doing most of the time

[atomic pendant]

less focus on winning and more focus on dick jokes

[vale garnet]

Or knifing soul

Focus on that too

[novel geyser]

uuh okay uuh
warfare is like a weenus, it looks really long and scary but is actually not....

[atomic pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-over-gif-10796016606670690175

[vale garnet]

I’m not a seal clubber but one day babygirl

[atomic pendant]

I like the vibes of a squad of good dudes who doesn't take the game deathly seriously, and coordinates and does their best while also just having fun in comms and enjoying the game, no matter what happens.

that's easy to come by in pubs

[vale garnet]

My actual favourite thing is playing with a really funny spotter

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374662979559227463/1483955894113796157/Souls_dick.gif

[vale garnet]

You get to their backline, chill out, make jokes, sing some songs and drop 90

[worthy charm]

My job here is done

[finite berry]

except me

[novel geyser]

literally the god of all HLL gamers
100% win rate

100% accuracy

[worthy charm]

Youre doing everything wrong and correct

[novel geyser]

perfect KD

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-20784169

[worthy charm]

I fear nothing but elise HLL gameplay

and as a discord mod job applications

[finite berry]

lmao that would be genuinely funny

[covert elbow]

I go back to my main job soon

I’m happy to get some proper income again

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/tbh-creature-gif-25772842

PC when :D

[covert elbow]

No

To expensive now

Just make the S:44 devs give me a secret console copy

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/tigger-cant-sleep-sad-emotional-gif-12332801

[worthy charm]

PC when

[worthy charm]

oh damn

nvm

[finite berry]

sad day :(

[finite berry]

There unironically is a giveaway going on now lol; could hop in for you in advance for when you get a PC :D

[nova pivot]

I waot one too🥺

[finite berry]

Just get a PC already

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[worthy charm]

In secret there already is a S44 console playerbase. Its the same size as the PC one tho

[nova pivot]

0🤫

[finite berry]

That just means we need Floppa and Ninja even more desperately :D

[worthy charm]

Its at least 1

[nova pivot]

Bro is so desperate he is gifting me a pc so he can finally play with someone

[finite berry]

I shall gift it after the Flecktarn

So never :(

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-crash-out-angry-gif-15667791719891680630

[covert elbow]

I already own it actually

Just my PC runs it at like 15 fps

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

there goes my plan :D

[finite berry]

Probably way too weak CPU

[covert elbow]

Most likely

My laptops from like 2019

[finite berry]

That explains a lot, haha

[pastel lotus]

How the servers looking, seems dead?

[covert elbow]

Idk I’m to busy looking at your mom HEYOOOOOOOO

[pastel lotus]

Heyo

It’s super dead current

[slate canopy]

It's also evening for US, and sleepy times EU

[pastel lotus]

I’m struggling to find fuller servers

[pastel lotus]

True, but I swear it used to have a higher player count

[slate canopy]

Well it's no longer on gamepass

(at least for console wise, that may be causing lower player count)

[covert elbow]

It’s also just been on a heavy decline

Just how it is

[deft shale]

Gameplay changes the main culprit. Bunch of stuff they added nobody who actually played asked for. Getting harder and harder to find quality matches. Between RCON & KIA screen it’s become COD but WW2 skinned. The camping and cheating (Cronus-M&K) is egregious. Servers die hours earlier and are harder to reseed.

Virtually never see new players. I try to teach them or take them under my wing but they get turned off pretty quickly because how unimmersive the game has become + poor game performance on most maps

[covert elbow]

Yep

It sucks because the maps they make are good but that’s just not enough for the game

Like they need to make 2 teams. One for maps and the other to refine the original game in whatever ways are needed so we don’t get this dripfees

I’d love to get gameplay enhancements and more old map refreshes/ updates every month or so and then a new map every 4 months

Would help the game a ton

[deft shale]

Someone explained it to me in car terms awhile back and it made sense.

Guy built an engine weirdly. It worked, but it was funky. Guy bought it from him and trying to mod it. Anything he mods screws something else up because how the engine was built. Runs perfectly if you take the mods off.

The “hit registration” is just so bad I’m convinced they’ve nerfed all the guns but think we are too stupid to tell. Guys NEVER used to shrug off .30-06 like they do now. Have to put a clip into a guy with smgs.

Too many rockets being spammed all the time and so on. Try running German armor lately? You’ll be hit with 50 rockets in your tin can tank that unrealistic gets penetrated by bazookas. I can go on and on.

Just sucks because it used to be so spect

[covert elbow]

I like my coal analogy better where if you polish and pressure the lump enough you’ll get a shining diamond but they instead just keep adding more coal to the lump and make it bigger. Like sure it has its purpose and can be used as is but it’d be so much more as a diamond.

Hit reg has gotten god awful. I swear every single game I’ll die despite seeing my bullets hit the guy first or I’ll survive a shot somehow despite being hit by a rifle at close range.

They also definitely need to reduce launchers per team. I think AT is at a good spot as is but the issue is that they give out a launcher per squad leading to roaming bands of 5+ AT barraging enemy vehicles. The game would be much better reducing the amount of launchers to like 2-3 a team keeping the rockets as is. Could add in more AT like grenades, allowing molotovs to do damage to enemy vehicles, making module damage actually debuff tanks so AT rifles actually do something, etc so we aren’t relying on rockets and, god forbid, satchels

[real parrot]

The biggest reason servers die is because officers don't care, don't mount garrys, don't protect territory and don't comunicate

[covert elbow]

Also because nobody speaks or coordinate anymore

Even normal infantry

Just a huge rush to get to the attack point with no thoughts

[real parrot]

If I'm SL and you don't have mic or don't do as I say, you are out of the squad, everyone should do that

[covert elbow]

I would do that but I stopped playing SL a long time ago

[keen glen]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[mellow knoll]

You can never escape it.

[pine ember]

I remembered having one guy in my Suggestion that complained that there is too much communication

[deft shale]

No, there aren’t players to fill it. Pathfinders on console last night died at 1 on SMDM. Both teams had commanders, garrisons, and nodes. It floated around 80 for 30 minutes. Never gained. Slowly died. 80 used to be guaranteed reseed territory.

[real parrot]

My comm servers have players, but the lack of actual decent games clear the servers faster than the lack of players

[obsidian fiber]

where i can post my pc build here?

[deft shale]

Idk how it is on PC but console it’s who can go blow up your back line garrisons faster. All the “sweats” do is run around behind you and blow your garrisons up. They don’t fight for point. They don’t kill. They just blow spawns up for big combat scores. You used to have to kill to get it which incentivized fighting

[real parrot]

Thats what happens when people don't defend its territory. the "Sweats" here are hiding on some bush 200m for a garrison camping an angle and instantly killing anyone that gets into their los

And meanwhile I'm spawncamping the enemy tanks with a medium

[slate canopy]

In off topic #off-topic-mess-hall

[real parrot]

Also if you lose a garry, you put another, plain and simple, as long as you hold the terrain, and keep OPs and other spawn points close enough, there is nothing a single guy can do

[deft shale]

Disagree. Anyone who plays the game religiously is essentially forced to play backline. Garrisons get sniped from Timbuktu and sure you can replace it but he’s got 2 more rockets. Heck, I’ve even sat there and sniped 3 straight garrisons because they kept trying to replace it. It’s incredibly cheeky but we’ve all abused it. But it’s all a good portion of people do. They don’t care about point or winning. They just want the huge CS because that’s what the devs changed to matter XP wise.

[obsidian fiber]

i dont have permission the the channel

[real parrot]

Don't they know like, actually putting their garrisons behind cover? The higher you go in the skill ceiling the more you see teams forming a line and attacking frontally

[deft shale]

Sure, but there are only so many places you can put garrisons to maintain proper map control. It can be behind cover all you want but we are in pubs not comp matches. You can’t just get line strats every game. You’re lucky if the bluebs turn to defend a garrison they just came off of when it goes hot

[real parrot]

Thats why most skilled people tends to camp in a spot and wait for people coming into the open spaces trying to flank, because everyone tries to flank, so no one does

[deft shale]

Well then all I can say is PC must be so much more fun

[real parrot]

Don't know about PC in general, all I can tell is about the specific comm server I only play

[deft shale]

What is comm server

[real parrot]

Every new guy thinks they are more intelligent and tries to flank, just to be meet by some machinegun or semi auto in the roof waiting for people to go exactly for where they are goin

[real parrot]

Community servers aka servers hosted by a community/clan, does console only have official servers?

[deft shale]

It does just wasn’t sure what that meant.

[real parrot]

sure

comm servers are always better

Some of them are usually higher level too, like circle 3 I believe

[deft shale]

That’s what I play. Some are better than others but to be honest you are more likely to find a good match on warfare and offensive. Mid day you get all the Middle Aged guys who only play periodically and they will build the heck out of a garrison. Enlisted is all about RCON & CS

[limpid marten]

Nah you want new players with comms that's where the magic happens, high levels get desensitized and boring.

[real parrot]

As a tanker, the higher the level the better

ofc there are exceptions

[limpid marten]

Yeah I don't do tanks

Having a squad of new players with mics is hands down the most fun in my opinion though, you get so many hilarious situations.

Might not give you a win but it'll give you a fun time

[worthy charm]

Depends on what you do

[cosmic pilot]

Most garrison locations are exposed on at least two sides. So there is almost always some angle which isn't in cover.

[worthy charm]

I dont need high levels to yeet a scout into the backline, especially not when used as a duo

[arctic rampart]

What's the topic rn?

[limpid marten]

Having fun or winning

[real parrot]

Problem with tanks is hard to have fun with unexperienced players, because it becomes a driving class

[arctic rampart]

It's never that simple

Oh yeah that's 100% true

I have a guy who I frequently play with and we've been friends for over 2 years now. But damn when it comes to tanks it's just bad.
He's level 200 and still can't recognize the major tank types. Doesn't understand the driving physics and is insanely slow with the gun and zeroing it as well.
Just overall frustrating to play with