mess-hall

[novel geyser]

realism to a degree, make the game feel grounded while still being a game

[analog apex]

yeah a very simplified and stupid PoV

[thin lotus]

"Autos and rifles shouldn't OSK to 100/200m, that's way too high"
"So you're saying you want to have to dump an entire magazine into a target to down him?"

[novel geyser]

"I disagree with you so you're clearly a COD player"

[fervent dagger]

Usually it’s a case when people think they want realism, when they actually want immersion.

[thin lotus]

ironic thing is, HLL would be much more immersive if its gunplay wasn't laserbeam one-shotting stupidity

[novel geyser]

real

compared to other games in the genre HLL isnt that immersive
all it has going for it is its pretty graphics

[analog apex]

Could be another compromise (warning: right now I am going to just be pulling stuff out of my butt as they come to my mind)

What if lone wolfers (without anybody of their squad close) could be 2HK instead of 1HK? Or 1HK range against squad-groupped players lowered by half? For instance, if there would be a squad, we wouldn't be able to 1HK them on 200m, but just on 100m. But rly, I am just wondering, take it as BS 💩 alert, this doesn't need to make full sense 😄 .

---

Some things can't be simulated, like the fear, courage or leadership character of the soldier the player plays as, hence I play with the idea of SL orders that would at least a bit reflect some of it. And to promote the squadPlay and discourage lone-wolfing.

[peak knot]

false

[novel geyser]

I think as far as weapon damage goes it should work off of an actual in depth damage model rather than "OHK at x distance"

[analog apex]

I am really interested in your opinion specifically about the topic @thin lotus , since you hate 1HK and damage output of singular players.

What if lone wolf without anybody of his squad nearby, wouldn't be able to 1HK? And 1HK allowed only if he has his squadmate(s) nearby?
What would you say to such stuff?

Would it go anywhere your direction?

[thin lotus]

Adding more gaminess to one aspect in hopes to solve another issue? Not in favor.
The improvement needs to be applied to everyone

[analog apex]

then I don't rly know how would you want to achieve that

...if no compromises allowed.

[arctic rampart]

Could also just do squads ICO in HLL

[analog apex]

what is ICO

[novel geyser]

infantry combat overhaul

[arctic rampart]

Infantry Combat Overhaul

[analog apex]

ah, right

[novel geyser]

noodle arm update

[arctic rampart]

tldr, add some proper sway to guns

Only way to hit someone 200-300m out would be to actually stop sprinting, crouch, wait a second or two, hold breath and then shoot

[solemn junco]

because that was such a huge success 😄

[thin lotus]

you're proposing a 'fix' for one issue by adjusting another but when in certain circumstances.
There's some crosssover between the two, but the fixes should be applied independently to one another.

like, 'lonewolfing' isn't an issue because the gunplay is incredibly shallow and easy, but it does contribute to it

[faint portal]

I went to the squad studio personally and one of the main things they are doing is significantly changing the ICO bc of the poor reception to it.
I'm not sure if following those footsteps is a good idea

[analog apex]

I understand but unsure if that's possible. If you are choosing just between A (1HK) and B (at least 2HK at all times) with nothing in the middle, then it's kinda hard.

[faint portal]

But I do believe in this

"enhancing" the gunplay experience would be a net positive
I just don't think ICO personally is the play

[thin lotus]

you can have nuance between 1 BTK and 2 BTK. Just think about it for a sec

[analog apex]

The only space I would see there is giving the bolt-action rifles 1HK and semi-autos 2HK, ofc. unless headshot.

[trim fjord]

That's why instead of adding more restrictions, punishment/long respawn times or mandatory mic use to "incentivize" squad gameplay, , would be much better to update essentials things like overhaul the weapons making them more realistic like those in Squad, improve basic things like the current perfectly static CS style camera when moving (that's what gives it that BF feeling that many people complain) and increase its movement or shake to make it as immersive as stalker first person camera or certain bodycam mods for arma Reforger, or add the ability to pick up weapons from the ground, in addition to adding bayonets and basic things. All of that would change the game for the better without making it tedious

[solemn junco]

I switched over to Squad after that beautiful HLL update where they increased the run speed.. Really liked Squad, a little bit more involved but good once you get the hang of it. Then they introduced the ICO which gave me noodle arms, both games turned to crap.

[arctic rampart]

They completely over did it.
These days it's nothing close to how ICO launched. People just keep that bad memory in their heads to this day.

[solemn junco]

I think HLL strikes a pretty good balance right now between arcade / realism, plays a bit like the old battlefield games (pre BC2), but better

[arctic rampart]

combat is a complete arcade

It's a joke how easy it is. It's like the aim trainers. Look, click, guaranteed kill

[faint portal]

Yeah, that's what my discussion was primarily about with them

They are really looking at fine tunining it and make it feel more grounded

[arctic rampart]

There's still some nit picks, but it's pretty good these days

[trim fjord]

But you don't necessarily need to make it identical to Squad ICO, you could take the good things, like realistic animations and weapon functions, or add a bit more sway after sprinting. At least that would stop people from saying that HLL is a BF game

[arctic rampart]

f animations

Need some proper recoil and weapon sway after sprinting half a kilometer

in ww2 gear no less

[thin lotus]

another self touted 'hardcore' game with noodle arms
wow!

[faint portal]

What I like about squad devs is they are trying to work on what attracts new players but also trying to retain old players by changing up the "Meta" feel of the game

I personally would love hll devs to feel more confident in being ok with changing the meta aspects of the game

Especially on things that the larger audience has expressed frustration with (low hanging fruit.

Nodes, commander abilities, vehicle default spawns, halftracks etc

The bigger stuff like gunplay I would love to see some change but I understand that would take alot of refinement

[arctic rampart]

Brother, it's legit a thing they can tweak values on and we can be testing by tomorrow afternoon

[faint portal]

Not necessarily....
In my talks with hll devs alot of things need to physically be deconstructed and reconstructed modularly.
Looking at armor specifically that's how they had to do it so they could then just change values

[arctic rampart]

I agree we need something to change the flow.

Whilst I'm suprised that most lvl 200+'s don't remember common garry spots, that being said, each match feels the same cause I know where they are

[arctic rampart]

The comment was mainly for Chum.

But they could change around sway, recoil etc. leave broken animations and what not in and throw it on the test branch

Just to see what comes of it

[oak current]

the bending effect of your glasses still make me chuckle

like a tiny raz, navigating a raz-mech

[faint portal]

Hot take: Garries are never "hard to find" bc they are always in the same spot/always tied to their 200m restrictions and anyone that says they "don't know how they found our Garry" doesn't know how hll works

[thin lotus]

i've never doubted that

[faint portal]

100% understood tho hahaha

[arctic rampart]

That's not a hot take, that's literally the game

[faint portal]

Bruh I'm blind 🤣🤣🤣

[analog apex]

is this what you meant or not? ☝️ @thin lotus

if not, I am not sure what you meant

[arctic rampart]

I still like all the French maps etc. but my brain is blown when command asks how do I have 13 garries destroyed, when all I've done is solo recon tank around and snipe them in all the common spots

[faint portal]

Post that on reddit and it'll be a hot take lmao

[arctic rampart]

This game's reddit is too filled with normies

They get 2 garry kills and think it's some insane clip

[faint portal]

"stream sniper found our Garry"
Meanwhile they had one garrison for 45 minutes and are surprised it went down

The reality of HLL is it's a competition on putting up Garries faster than they can take yours down. If you don't understand that you don't understand hll lol and many people don't

[arctic rampart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/1rou6j7/nothin_but_dingeeerrrzzz/

[faint portal]

Those are the same ppl that throw grenades at tanks and expect it to do damage but instead kill their teammate who is satcheling the tank

[arctic rampart]

INSANE CLIP!!!! HE GOT 1 KILL ON PHL!!!

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-snap-ohsnap-gif-18271233

My favorite clips are the ones where they add tons of memes and the vine boom sound

[thin lotus]

crappy helmet and gun pngs atop whatever other image

[past veldt]

When I ran the stats a while ago, the average player was getting around 20 kills per game.

For your average HLL gamer, taking out 2 garrisons is actually a top 5% game of all time

[faint portal]

I don't doubt that one bit

[past veldt]

I even trimmed out players with zero kills so TCs / Drivers didn't affect the results too much...

It won't be me, but I'd love for someone to do something interesting with HLLRecords winrate% and see what, if any, individual stats affect that the most

[faint portal]

No that makes total sense
Bc I think the achievement that says Like "got a kill" is even like 10-15% or something of all players got that right lol
It's something STUPID low iirc

[faint portal]

@reef birch is my numbers guy 😎
He has some interesting data he's pulled before

[past veldt]

Winston is absolutely one of the finest community members

I heard he's good at maths AND handsome

And really nice

[peak knot]

joining the winning team

[reef birch]

HLL Records is @peak knot 's thing though, it'd be way easier for him to figure something like that out

[peak knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1422149543650267166/1480587140399104061/image.png?ex=69b037ba&is=69aee63a&hm=5c529393d0611538fe791166e441a2bbdff7e2b55c57eb8bb487f8ce49925df3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=3168&height=776 a bit lower though

[past veldt]

9?!?!

Okay, maybe you could chuck a minimum time into it 😅

Surely it's not 9

[past veldt]

True tbf.

I actually tested it recently, and you can't play most of the game and join the winning team at the end

[blissful bone]

Is HLL planning in making a new discord for Vietnam?

[past veldt]

So fair play for stopping that

#base-camp and that whole section exists so probably not

[peak knot]

active ensures they at least did something

[quartz violet]

i killed an enemy half track yayy

[past veldt]

It's a bleak picture you're painting me here

[worthy charm]

Better than the foxhole reddit

Im telling you, its the worst times 2.

[faint portal]

That's super cool didn't know you had all these figures
I think a video on like the average of things would be a cool look at hll

[cosmic pilot]

Give me the data

[arctic rampart]

Better than the Helldivers 2 reddit

[keen glen]

foxhole reddit is peak

[haughty geode]

Drachenlord reddit is peak

[cedar shuttle]

The gunplay is what makes this game still fun and different to other games. I dont understand why everything has to be realistic? This always complicates things. I enjoy the simple gameplay. There is not an overwhelming ammount of information to process so the focus lies on execution of decisions. If most of the users here share the opinion that the majority of players "normies" cant achieve or comprehend the simple mechanics already in place (spawn building for example) then why add more stuff to focus on? Less is more imo

[cosmic pilot]

The game should be designed to be allowed to play on different levels of involvement from the player

It should be fine for some players to enjoy the game on a simple surface level

[wind shore]

The game is perfect.

[cosmic pilot]

And for more hardcore players there should be purposeful mechanics to engage with on a deeper level

Hardcore players cheesing the hell out of the game doesn't count

[wind shore]

I remember back in my day where not every game could be tailored to each individual. You either embraced the learning curve or you were out.

[cosmic pilot]

Yeah and this mentality destroys online games

The good players get really good and any new players don't have anyone to face on their same level

So they leave before getting good

[finite berry]

Being able to take more hits just because your squad leader uttered some words absolutely is arcadey, yes.

[cosmic pilot]

And the longer it goes on for the higher the bar for good gets

[cosmic pilot]

"stop being such a p###" takes 5 more bullets to get killed

[finite berry]

Squad allows revives after headshots.

[past veldt]

Unironically competitive matches

While a lot of it is cheesing mechanics, at a lower tier level, you get far less of that

And the game is almost what people actually want in terms of communication, teamwork etc

[wind shore]

I mean look at souls games. Elden Ring broke that by suggesting co op. Maybe you get in with some support, go engie build some nodes, listen to people communicate

It’s fairly simple. I have around 65 hours now. The first 25 hours were hell let loose indeed. But once I started using the Mike talking to my squad mates occasionally taking squad lead; you get more acquainted with how everything works.

[cedar shuttle]

The most purposeful mechanics to engage in which are already in place is teamplay, communication, micro and macro planning etc.. which you all find in comp at any tier

[wind shore]

Think about the game as an experience. When I started looking at it as the closest shot, I will ever have to experiencing how war could have been yet still keeping an arcade vibe.

[honest pecan]

Trvke

Make HLL more milsim-y

[arctic rampart]

The bipod on the BAR was a pointless addition

[thin lotus]

shuts people up about the game 'needing' it

[cosmic pilot]

Well, yeah because they forgot to make it reduce recoil

And it hasn't been a part of any hot fix

[azure heath]

hey guys

[round breach]

Hey

They should add the KV2 fr

[azure heath]

yeah

[mellow knoll]

Why tf was the KV2 comment deleted

[azure heath]

mine?

[mellow knoll]

Oh was it yours?

[azure heath]

idk but i was talking abt kv-1

[worthy charm]

Jokes on you

there already is a KV2 in the game

:}

[mellow knoll]

Ye 100%

[round breach]

It's like a dev thing or?

[worthy charm]

Literally in the game rn

Though in a role that doesnt make sense

[round breach]

Haven't seen it tho

Odd

[worthy charm]

You wouldnt see and SPA at the front would you...

[round breach]

Wuh, the italian truck?

[worthy charm]

Self-Propelled Artillery

[honest pecan]

Yep

[analog apex]

the recoil is the same as without it, isn't it?

at least I didn't notice any practical usefulness of it

[nova pivot]

It is already in game lol

[mellow knoll]

It's not an SPA, for gods sake lmao. It's an Assault Gun tank.

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1438936042852847758/BumBergGif.gif

[mellow knoll]

Anyone with any historical knowledge would know

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-1177376989323896638

[nova pivot]

This

[worthy charm]

shhh little floppa

[nova pivot]

Who do you think you are? I only obey helpful mods.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

HERESY!!!

[nova pivot]

You know it's true

You don't even play the game

[worthy charm]

IM A VERY HELPFULL MAN

[nova pivot]

And your jokes are getting old

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/what-monkey-3

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-too-far-leah-rilke-the-wilds-did-i-cross-the-line-gif-19536619

[worthy charm]

Fair enough though

Im playing games that are about as bad

doesnt that count as well?

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-winnie-the-pooh-scholar-gif-27322496

[nova pivot]

Nope

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-agnes-tachyon-explosion-gif-7709413679719664134

[finite berry]

Törken

[haughty geode]

Are there even mods that are helpful?

[worthy charm]

Eyyyy

Im helpful

at times

[haughty geode]

Fair Ill give you that

The one who banned Kedo is a hero

[nova pivot]

Polarbear

Clown is useful too

[haughty geode]

Nah sorry, she ends discussions when the real fun begins

[mellow knoll]

Lol

[nova pivot]

He helps people with problems related to launching the game

[nova pivot]

Your are right, but at least she is an actual mod

The other ones just come do a couple of bad jokes and leave

[haughty geode]

Yea, she does her job too serious

[nova pivot]

But at least she does it

[wintry niche]

It will not connect to a server it boots up fine , it worked a couple weeks ago , it works on my other computer, their ticket support system isn’t the greatest any help would be appreciated

[oak current]

Berg Buttbouncing

[worthy charm]

BBB

Bergs Big Buttbouncing

[oak current]

cheeky

HA, get it..cheeky

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/amanda-bynes-robert-de-niro-are-you-talking-to-me-talkin-impression-gif-3902416469211944265

*About me

[thick stream]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-rigby-cat-rigby-the-cat-silly-silly-cat-gif-1731118170300952818

How're y'all doin today, lads, lasses, the in betweens and so ons 🌸🤙

[covert elbow]

Good

Just continuing my remagen research

Man did the devs mess up, both former and current

[mellow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/segundo-sol-novela-remy-vladimir-brichta-chocado-gif-12304506

[past vortex]

aniversary 2 days ago
the amount of messing up on the german side is astonishing

[trail summit]

hey guys I just bought hell let loose, spent the past hour troubleshooting, my game is stuck loading forever into the main menu and idk what to do from here

[past vortex]

got it on ssd?

[trail summit]

no its on harddrive

want to save space on my m2

[past vortex]

it prob wont work

[trail summit]

the game doesnt work on harddrive? 😄

[finite berry]

Yes

HDD is too slow

[proud hill]

It did for me, but loaded super slow

[finite berry]

Just put it on SSD

[proud hill]

Works way quicker with SSD

[past vortex]

yea its crazy
they have unreasonable timeouts and they totally refuse to touch any of that
tbf they inherited all that from the org devs

[past vortex]

it can wor but its not guaranteed

[covert elbow]

Just in general. With the new map if they want the added pontoon bridges that mean all of the German equipment should be off the map and replaced with American vehicles and equipment everywhere

And in the original game map it doesn’t make sense as no German tanks or large field guns were present at the battle, and every single building is reused from the Normandy and Soviet maps so it looks out of place

[trail summit]

hopefully it works on m2 papabless

[covert elbow]

It gets 2/10 historically cause at least the original map added some small details

New map is definitely 1/10 though since at least they got one of the pontoon bridges right

[past vortex]

yea that would be the counterattac phase then, then the german objective should be to destroy the bridge

[covert elbow]

Which IRL never happened but if the devs wanted to do something fictional that’s fine I guess. As long as we keep the original map in a map variant

[past vortex]

counterattack did happen

[covert elbow]

They tried and they got nowhere close

[past vortex]

its just didnt get close because the germans continued to mess around (no force concentartion)

[covert elbow]

Once the bridgehead was taken the areas in game the Germans didn’t get anywhere close

Ngl would have been cool to see the area with a bunch of US equipment scattered around and discarded/ emplaced

[elder crane]

i dont like the spa’s im ngl

i tried an spa for fire missions but idk i dont like how its a 600 meter radius and should be higher

especially on elsenborn

[past vortex]

its mostly bs, except in rare circumstances

[elder crane]

thats why i like playing towed

shits so much easier to dial in on azmuth and get my shots right

[nova pivot]

We have russian boxes in carentan,i don't expect them to get to that level of detail

[arctic rampart]

Damn me. Had a banger of a game just now.
Team was down 4-0 in terms of matches. We get on Tobruk (not my favourite map btw).
Got pushed 1-5, half cap. Managed to stabilize and bring back to 4-1, our favour.
They got their 2nd back and we held mid till end for the last 18 mins. 10/10

[lusty viper]

U do realize u can just use ALL- HLL artillery calculator.

I tested it the other day it's accurate still and works for both spg and static arty

[elder crane]

the one i have is only for static

[finite berry]

It's funny how the matches with somewhat equal teams are the most fun, even if you lose

[lusty viper]

Download this one on sec

[elder crane]

not spa

[elder crane]

alr

[arctic rampart]

oh ofc

But maan. I can't deny, Tobruk was legit aids. It's just another stupid mountain that gets a heavy on it and boom, your vehicles get nearly spawn camped. Works both ways as well

[lusty viper]

#off-topic-mess-hall I posted a ss. That app has static and spa it let's u plug in ur slop now

[elder crane]

hell
yuh

[lusty viper]

As a vet who just came back i loved tobruk more city like but not clustered like euro city's or Russians

[elder crane]

cause i already mastered static arty i just wanna use spa to make life better

[lusty viper]

Yeah that app is goated. That's what I used for arty back in the day before my break was glad to see they still update it

[elder crane]

and to elevate my gameplay

[arctic rampart]

The houses are meh. Some are nice here and there, but a lot of them have 2 issues:

1. Some are so close that an enemy can be like 2 walls further and still lock your blue zone garry.
2. Other houses feel like their surroundings are so insanely barren that a garry next to it gets spotted from half the map away

[elder crane]

whats it called my photos is not loading

[lusty viper]

This video is pretty dope to im watching

Actually focus on the Omaha part of the map we play wn-71

[lusty viper]

Just type in All-Hell let loose Artillery

It'll be gray with a hell let loose symbol

I'm on android tho if u have iPhone I dunno

[elder crane]

oh yeah i use that

[lusty viper]

Yooo check this out #off-topic-mess-hall Ariel photo of wn71

[elder crane]

alrighty

[young basin]

Is there a place here for squadrons and stuff

[slate canopy]

As in to look for people to play with?

[young basin]

As in comp squads

Or just squads

[slate canopy]

If you're looking for people to play with we have #console-looking-for-unit , if you are looking for a community to join (Competitive or not), there is #1343089641489961001 . If you're looking for more competitive, there is this post that is informative to point you in the right direction: https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1273956824491491349

[young basin]

Cheers

[slate canopy]

Good luck

[crude slate]

BRO, HLL SHOULD COLAB WITH IRON HARVEST.
THEIR LOGO IS SIMILAR

[nova pivot]

Absolutely valid reason to colab

[crude slate]

DEV SOMETIMES FORGOT THAT GAMES IS MODE FOR FUN

MADE*

TOO SEIROUS, STILL NOT MAKING ANY MONEY LOL

[honest pecan]

HLL should collab with Frieren imho

[crude slate]

nah, wester dev are too afraid to colab. unlike Asian Dev, they do everything to get Naruto inside their verse 🤣

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[worthy charm]

So many caps

[cedar ore]

I must say from the look of the refresh, it’s better than I thought, although some of the visuals aren’t as appealing

Especially the water, the water is a very obvious looping texture, whereas the old one wasn’t

The warmer look is an interesting choice, definitely changes it quite a bit, and makes it easier to spot people crossing the other bridges

[sturdy quarry]

they could have remagen day 1 which is just middle bridge then remagen day X which is however many days later with pontoon bridges built, that way everyone is happy (1 v 3 bridges)

[cedar ore]

Honestly I think it’ll be fine as is, just won’t be the same anymore

[analog apex]

"just" it won't be historically authentic anymore 🫤

[crude slate]

Side game wont ruin main game

DOTA 2 is a perfect example

[analog apex]

HLL is not 😄

They made the river shore land larger, so the airhead can land safely. However it still can land only on a small new area very easily coverable and locked down by even an single player, especially if MG. Destroyable even without camping it just the same as before in the old/current Remagen.

Then, they added 2 pontoon bridges. Since those have nothing to do with the airhead opportunities, the pontoons could have easily started as pre-placed blueprints, buildable by both teams... instead of a pre-placed finished asset.

[sturdy quarry]

how would buildable work tho, - which team can build it? if both teams are building at the same time are they working together on it?

can one side be dismantling from one shore whilst the other tries to build from the opposite shore?

once built can either side destroy it or is it permanent?

i think it causes more issues than it solves, what if rogue players build it letting the other side across that the commander / other SL. didnt want

[cosmic pilot]

Yeah basically, if you are committed to doing the pontoons, make them a gameplay element specific to the map

By having them be blueprints you have to build

[analog apex]

how would buildable work tho, - which team can build it?
Yep. Or... there could be 2 sets of such blueprint bridges, which wouldn't collide to each other, they would be next to each other (1 for each team). Also, there could be not just 1 on each side, but 2 or 3 in different distances from the main bridge.

if both teams are building at the same time are they working together on it?
No. One side building might be unbuilding the progress of the other side as well. I would see some ways. But for sure it wouldn't be 1 blueprint, after building which the whole pontoon would appear - no. It would be rather 3-5 parts of separate blueprints that would be extending the pontoon forward in steps, in favour of the side that has made the building progress.

once built can either side destroy it or is it permanent?
Could be destroyable, but once again - only by parts, so blowing up a satchel on one side wouldn't make the whole pontoon disappear.

what if rogue players build it letting the other side across that the commander / other SL. didnt want
What if rogue player teamkills? What if rogue player steals a tank and drives it towards the enemy without making any threat? What if a rogue player boxes a garrison in with razor wires? etc. etc.

1st of all, chance for that happening is very small. 2nd, he will be visible the same for the enemies as for the friendlies so any kind of griefing asks for an admin action or votekick. It's not limited just for pontoon building so I don't understand the reason for listing this argument here - other kinds of rogue players are more dangerous than this.

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-so-true-true-trump-gif-13432126312443504841

[arctic rampart]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705013319173537835/1480935634666258523/image.png?ex=69b17c49&is=69b02ac9&hm=9f4502c5eaca6e5f72cd249aad74c4e7ac19e993f66ea620cf8622a0022bb38a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2079&height=1169

First time commander, on PHL no less

[mellow knoll]

First time commander at level 300? Dang

Pretty good rank to start it tbf

[past veldt]

first time commander

Lvl 10 role

https://tenor.com/view/look-stare-face-mean-bruh-gif-27645430

[arctic rampart]

The X means I don't have a level yet

[oak current]

you are also out of urine

Total 0 Pee. Badum tsh

[arctic rampart]

To me the craziest part was the xp counting up. It legit counted so long that I got back to the scoreboard with 2 seconds to spare till it rolled over to next map

[past veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-make-baby-jesus-cry-lies-make-jesus-cry-lies-make-baby-jesus-cry-simpsons-gif-16497260954970512926

[worthy charm]

Unholy pun

[elfin holly]

Doesn't a new map come out soon or am I tripping?

[oak current]

think juno beach is next on the list

[elfin holly]

Any date or no?

[analog apex]

nope

not even a rough estimation was given officially yet, I believe

but since they make like 2 maps a year tops, Juno can come in like 2-3 months at latest

[sullen iris]

Remagen is getting a rework too

[elfin holly]

I forget what map that is

Im hyped for nam

[sullen iris]

The one with the big ol bridge in the middle

[wild rampart]

Is it a known bug that arty can't be reloaded after resupply?

[sullen iris]

https://hellletloose.fandom.com/wiki/Remagen

[elfin holly]

Oh coool

[hazy owl]

calling it a rework is a stretch

[past vortex]

on the gun you build yourself ?
i have heard of no reload bug, but that was always a gun someone else build

[wild rampart]

Yeah it was actually built by somebody else. Can't reload, can't dismantle, it's useless.

[past vortex]

yea thats known

(by us, not by the devs:)

[analog apex]

I was about to say that!

[wild rampart]

There must be a way to let them know.

[past vortex]

cant hurt to make am official bug report
its not that likely to help tho

(ok maybe it will actually hurt your dignity when you "talk" to the ai bot:)

[wild rampart]

I know they read the Steam discussions. Or at least their customer services trainees do.

[past vortex]

"trainees" :}

but yea, go for it

[honest pecan]

Why?

[past vortex]

there are stretches of new bridges

[hazy owl]

because it's like saying that you did a rework of your car by installing roof bars

[spark aspen]

Is there any hint of when juno beach and conquest mode is coming out?

[analog apex]

nope
not even a rough estimation was given officially yet, I believe
but since they make like 2 maps a year tops, Juno can come in like 2-3 months at latest

[spark aspen]

Damn

[forest zodiac]

G.I., your government has abandoned you. They have ordered you to die. Don’t trust them. They lied to you, G.I.s, you know you cannot win this war.

[heady pivot]

Ruining remagen is more like it

[analog apex]

if you mean the current conflict that topic doesn't belong here

more like right against a rule

[forest zodiac]

[heady pivot]

This is a quote from a North Vietnamese radio host

[forest zodiac]

Can’t wait for HLL Vietnam

[heady pivot]

Me neither 😆

[forest zodiac]

[soft scaffold]

I've been struggling with the Level 1 bug. Is there a trusted fix for it? I've looked around and everything I've found says I have to die a few times before the server will register my proper level. While that does work it prevents me from playing on the high level servers where I spend my time.

[honest pecan]

Have you tried exiting and re-entering the game

[heady pivot]

^

[hazy owl]

My buddy's game crashed like an hour ago and had the level 1 bug ever since even after several restarts... but hey you get two bridges across Rhine and Conquest mode... be happy

Enshiftication of this game so you are forced to get HLL:V I guess 😄

Btw still love playing the game but c'mon give the devs some time to actually fix the bugs and stop developing new modes nobody asked for

[covert elbow]

2 bridges that i genuinely don’t understand how they’ll help

[hazy owl]

nobody knows it actually makes it even worse but this is what they occupy themselves with.. if the game credits are true there are like 8 programmers mentioned and 50 quality assurance people.. what a joke actually eh? 😄

it must be outdated

[heady pivot]

Bridges are gonna be complete cheeks say goodbye to the beautiful battle on THE bridge. It’s supposed to be an uphill battle, like what???

[heady pivot]

Actually dude, fix the broken aspects of this game before trying to fix what isn’t broken

[covert elbow]

That’s what I’m saying

In my opinion I would have rather seen the map shorted length wise and expanded its width to accommodate more of Erpel and Remagen so we could get a half and half urban/ forest map

Had have Remagen be on the far right of the map to mimic the actual movements of the assault IRL

Could even make the map unique by having each team spawn on the same side of the map but blocked by the river itself

Could also have alternate spawns for offensive where the German team spawns at the bridge and the Americans in the town of Remagen

[past vortex]

thats prob the qa for all 100 games in their catalogue

[elfin holly]

I need to play vietnam

I am DYING to play rn

[hazy owl]

I suppose they had to inflate the numbers for the credits from 0 somehow

[hazy owl]

Please don't get excited about games nowadays at least not from the the western publishers... We've got burnt so many times over the past few years, there are no alfa releases, no demos, no refunds... Think of the game as the next Concord or Highguard and if it is any better than that you won't be disappointed. There are organizations suing Steam that they basically allow customers write bad reviews... That's the world we live in now.. Look at the state of HLL and what has been done in the recent years to improve it or any major change in the right direction. I can't really think of many if any and that's the same company that's working on HLL:V.. just please don't get too excited

[tall kettle]

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[elfin holly]

I mean understandable but they are doing a good job with HLL imo. So I am absolutely excited as of now. Im always excited for games unless they show me a reason not to be

[past vortex]

lol

[hazy owl]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[covert elbow]

lol. Lmao even

They’ve given plenty of reasons not to be excited about Vietnam

[elfin holly]

Am I missing something like what? Lol

[hazy owl]

How long have you been playing HLL?

[elfin holly]

Since 2022 but its been on and off

Like ill play for a few months give it a few months break

[covert elbow]

Man and you still have hope for this games future?

You are HLL’s strongest solider

[elfin holly]

😭

What have they messed up/changed

[slate canopy]

Sorry Ninja, I'm the same 😅 Although I play more frequently than on a couple months, off a couple months.

[covert elbow]

Everything and nothing. Everything, but nothing…

[elfin holly]

https://tenor.com/view/alrighty-then-jim-carrey-ace-ventura-gif-7715492

[covert elbow]

And I don’t understand how y’all can’t see the issues

[elfin holly]

Idk i just hop on play a few matches a night and have fun

[covert elbow]

Games been outdated for years, new contents been controversial and meh at best (apart from the maps they’ve been good (also apart from some of the refreshes which have been a heavily mixed bag)), continuing technical issues are abundant, and the devs seem to not understand HLL and are trying to make it more casual when that’s not why people got the game in the first place

Or at least I thought so but turns out people do? I still don’t know what the hell this games identity is

[slate canopy]

Most likely, we don't look at it as critically as you?

[elfin holly]

I personally see the mix of casual and hard-core but I kinda like it like that

[covert elbow]

Oh definitely. People just play the game and play it and that’s fine

[elfin holly]

Like i never got into squad because it was too hardcore imo, HLL is a mix of both and I like it. I just hop on and can do a few quick matches and then hop off

[covert elbow]

Still gonna call them out on their opinions though

[worthy charm]

The limited amount of tank wasnt fun for me in squad

Inf was very fun with a good squad tho

[elfin holly]

Squad i still play but its very very rare

[covert elbow]

Well that’s been an issue for me and the people I know. The games started to heavily lean into the arcade side of its DNA which is slowly eroding what brought of the “veterans” in

[elfin holly]

I usually play squad when stoned lmao

[covert elbow]

Okay well that might sway your opinion then lmao

[elfin holly]

But what do you mean by arcade? Like what is arcade to you? Is it thr movement the way thr guns handle

[slate canopy]

That's me tho... I play becuse I have fun. It's not like I don't see flaws, but if I can still play without the game crashing or being physicall unplayable... I'll play 🤷‍♀️

[worthy charm]

Tbh if you are an Squad player that wants realism you can just play Reforger and its much better.

or just Arma3 which is old but still good

[elfin holly]

For squad definitely but fir HLL I always have fun

[covert elbow]

Pretty much everything in game honestly. Not a lot of it is hardcore except for the fact guns one shot and emplacements need supplies. Other then that the game is heavily Arcady with everything else

[finite berry]

Conversation kinda proves what I had mentioned a couple of times. The vets and experienced players on this Discord rant about the game being bugged, historically inaccurate, arcade and lacking a vision while 90% of the rest of the playerbase just enjoys the game. And that also explains the generous amount of hype for Vietnam and why it most likely will be a success

[covert elbow]

And that’s fine. I just get teeved when people act like this game is absolute perfect with no flaws and people who suggest stuff to be added or fixed are the worst players in the world

[elfin holly]

But hasn't it always played like this?

[covert elbow]

Like I just want to see this game be polished and shined into a diamond. Not the current lump of coal it is

[finite berry]

(it never was a milsim or hardcore to begin with)

[covert elbow]

Yes. But stuff like the medic update and the simplification of tanks have made the game start to lose what it once was

[finite berry]

But why would T17 polish it when the majority of the playerbase is already happy with a lump of coal?

[covert elbow]

But it’s weird because the devs are making the game more Arcady yet not?

Like the artillery update was a dumpster fire and I can’t tell what the goal of it even was

[worthy charm]

Even people who hate it still play it, as stupid as it sounds long time players in a lot of games get mad/bitter over changes but still keep playing.
In HLL these long time players even form communitys an keep paying for most of the servers.

[covert elbow]

Fair

[finite berry]

Very much true

[covert elbow]

Also man I hate the server owners of this game

Trying to find a server that isn’t the usual suspects is impossible

It’s like 10-1

[elfin holly]

I liked the medic update 😭

Being revived with full health instead of injured was amazing

[covert elbow]

Well it fit your playstyle

I’ve been advocating for a more in depth medical system for a while

Even if the end result is still slapping a bandage over it

[finite berry]

I mean, it doesn't fix anything about the medic problem lol

[covert elbow]

Yea they just simplified the process

[elfin holly]

Whats the medic problem?

[covert elbow]

Hence making it easier to play

[covert elbow]

No reason for them

[finite berry]

Medics are a pointless class because dying has no consequences

[covert elbow]

Like genuinelyc besides some niche situations where there’s not a spawn nearby (which there almost always is) what’s the point of medic

[worthy charm]

Kills matter, but deaths dont

[finite berry]

There is no incentive to wait for a revive

[covert elbow]

If you die then you get full ammo and bandages back

[elfin holly]

Ahh I see

[finite berry]

Exactly

[elfin holly]

So whats the solution? Just get rid of medics or?

[finite berry]

Tickets

[elfin holly]

Make dying a bigger penalty

[covert elbow]

Add local tickets and a injury system

[elfin holly]

I semi agree

[worthy charm]

Though its not sure if the majority of the community actually want his

[elfin holly]

But I also really like thr no ticket system tbh, I really like just a timer on offensive modes because its fun

[finite berry]

Understandable, but then medic is pointless

[elfin holly]

I think worst case they made medic a different class entirely

[finite berry]

Since when does T17 care about that :)

[covert elbow]

That’s why local tickets would be the best

[worthy charm]

Medic maybe isnt good but its at least fun for some

[elfin holly]

How would local tickets work?

[covert elbow]

It makes it so when a spawn is built it has a set number of tickets before it becomes unusable

Thus you want to prioritize staying alive and not wasting valuable spawn space

[elfin holly]

Ohhhh ok I like that a little more then universal tickets

[covert elbow]

Yes universal tickets would be awful

They just… don’t do anything

And like you said HLL is great because it’s a timer system

[finite berry]

Universal tickets are okay, they are just very punishing because if you run out of them, you lose

Which doesn't fit HLL

[worthy charm]

Most of what they added over the years was suggested in some shape or form

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/you-joke-dog-miss-lazy-gif-16172475

[worthy charm]

Sorry im german

[finite berry]

But so am I

[worthy charm]

German humor is not laughing matter

ok!!!

[elfin holly]

Ill admit my opinion is probably invalid cause im usually stoned when playing games

But I love HLL I will die on that hill

[worthy charm]

Who cares when you have fun

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gold-ship-gold-ship-golshi-gold-ship-uma-musume-goku-prowler-gif-877742140786639460

[finite berry]

(meanwhile my opinion)

[worthy charm]

Half of my foxhole clan are stoned when they play

[elfin holly]

Foxhole is fun too but its been a while since ive played

Yea idk something about being stoned at least for me makes my gaming experience 100 times better lmao

I feel like im actually apart of the game and helping lmao

[slate canopy]

Ehh no thanks

[past vortex]

hey gobbo

[smoky urchin]

Pleasure to be in your mind after all these years PressF

Not sure why I'm suddenly being called out though.

Ah yes, still pretending to be me

Just because I pushed to get rid of your group, you try and make a fake account, listen. No one who knows me would believe that since the grammar is terrible. Youre ? what is this. I wouldn't be typing like that.

[past vortex]

lol do you feel the need to defend :}

[smoky urchin]

I mean they're posting false evidence in a general chat to the HLL community I'm going to call out their nonsense.

[past vortex]

maybe they even have a discord dedicated to you :D

[smoky urchin]

Probably, they had a lot of posts about me in their discord. I'm aware of their obsession.

[covert elbow]

I say we blow up Britain and be done with this

[past veldt]

Hate speech smh

[novel geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-michi-triste-crying-cat-reaction-sad-cat-hannicion-gif-17190162121303461099

[covert elbow]

Nessecary casualty

You can move to Canada to be safe

[novel geyser]

wait like 4 years or so dpending on how certain events unfold I'll let you blow it up

[worthy charm]

Come to germany and I will get you something better then boiled beef or beans on toast

[novel geyser]

impossible

[covert elbow]

Oh my god I litteraly just had 3 At guys put 7 rockets into a tiger

This game is terrible

[covert elbow]

Sounds good

Same for the US then?

[novel geyser]

erm realistic because the tiger was tha best tank evah

[slate canopy]

I'm making veal schnitzel right now lol

[covert elbow]

It’s the fact 3 bazookas sent 7 rockets at the tank lmao

[novel geyser]

oh lmao

[worthy charm]

Wiener Schnitzel?

Or is that a kind of american schitzel I dont know?

[covert elbow]

There’s so much rocket spam dude

How is this okay

[past vortex]

mostly affects bad tank crews tho

[slate canopy]

Ja

[covert elbow]

For I feel bad for tanks

[worthy charm]

Dont

I already feel bad enough for myself

[past vortex]

i dont have too much sympathy for those who yolo a 600 fuel heavy into masses of enemy inf

[worthy charm]

People who play heavys are weird anyway

[past vortex]

:}

[covert elbow]

I mean we just destroyed 4 tanks that rammed into the point lmao

Definitely not the smartest move lmao

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
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Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

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[real parrot]

The humble piat man spawning 2km of a tank and walking for 20 min to get a pixel of the engine and instantly break it:

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[analog apex]

then it's best suited to https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1407788899916316814 and not to HLL1's channels 😛

[glacial widget]

Can I say the N word in here?

[frosty hamlet]

[analog apex]

you can... but you need to expect a response from the mods 😄

[frosty hamlet]

what's Ur highest kills in a game of hll

[analog apex]

no idea, I remember around 290 but that was a few years ago. Today it depends, but I can still be on the top. I don't play for the kills though.

[frosty hamlet]

I see

[analog apex]

if a match is full, I can have 100 with relative ease

if I spawncamped, I could have more 😄

[frosty hamlet]

I can prob get 7

don't know where them ppl shoot me from

I follow my teamates and trust they're pros of flanking

[analog apex]

maybe they trust the same heh

while nobody actually knows what the heck they are doing xD

[frosty hamlet]

I played one game ydy and got 3 kills in 90 min

[analog apex]

I see you are PS player, I am not sure what are the killCount standards for the console peeps tbh.

but yeah... could be more than than :/

[frosty hamlet]

some dude got 53

was shocked

[analog apex]

yeah it very much depends on the players in the match... if there are good fraggers on both teams, they usually get less kill than when they fight only the average players

but in HLL there are sheep which is the average majority, and then there are just a few wolves who get usually majority of kills

and then there is a kind of players who just think they are wolves - while they are able to get their kills just by hedgerowTop/bush/roof hardCamping 😄 but are weak and get killed easily when they don't camp or spawncamp

[frosty hamlet]

if u were in a game and the objective is Infront of u would u scope it out from the sides ? or right Infront of it

and stick in groups or tiny groups or solo

[analog apex]

again, depends - if I see there are no any strong players in the other team, I can afford for a direct assault as I can have a high chance of kill the enemy even if I get fired upon first, or I simply spot & kill them first while moving there
most of average peeps in HLL are blind and oblivious

if I know the direct access to the point is guarded by some stronger opponent(s), I try it once or twice directly but if it doesn't work, I need to flank

if an opening is guarded by some tank, then I use smoke to pass (pretty much the only occasion when I use smokes)
but God I hate when friendlies are using smoke grenades at every occasion... they get fired upon and instead of shooting/killing back even an easy enemy, they throw smoke... and think it will help them (it usually doesn't) xD At the same it just makes me not to see the targets while the smoke helps just the enemy anyway, as they watch the edge of it and kill them or even use that smoke to approach us 😄 .

[lusty imp]

Whats the beginners guide to play hll im already pretty good at shooting bc i played cs

[analog apex]

Learn to build OPs and learn good garrisons locations which is the most important thing. Everything else you will pretty much learn as you go...
learn the maps and usual patterns which are being followed especially (but not only) at the beginning of the match, use them to your advantage.

there are various newcomer guides on YT as well as in #1273828697941606450

Build garrisons (team spawnpoints) as much in the bluezone as possible - even 1 meter into the red territory and the garrison gets the redzone nerf (blocked by even 1 enemy anywhere within 100m, instead of blueZone garri's 15m). OPs (squad spawnpoint) don't have such nerf and they act the same everywhere.

[real parrot]

If everyone flanks, no one flanks. A strong frontline is always needed to support a push

[crimson vine]

am I meant to aim a bit in front of my target, also am I expected to hit 300m as a rifleman?

[keen glen]

yes

yes

[magic geyser]

Yo guys I need hel

[analog apex]

Hel is the Norse goddess of the underworld. If you want her, you should get Age of Mythology 😛 .

[river rover]

ℹ️ **MICROSOFT PATCH TUESDAY!!!**ℹ️
Missed the announcement yesterday. Get out there and get your systems fully patched\updated. 😉

[analog apex]

Feel free to browse the clans here:#1343090646168240199

Anyway, if you are looking for EU-based ones, the major general-EU are PBS, 13SNC, 82AD, The Circle, WTH... They include people from various parts of (not only but mostly) Europe.
But ofc there are some other clans that are purely German, French, Polish and so on...

But I see you have been member of this discord for 3 years already, so I am surprised a bit about the request... here.

[honest pecan]

Damn

Ethnonationalist clans

[frosty hamlet]

does any of y'all know this server called bad company on hll

[lucid gazelle]

mod tools?

[frosty hamlet]

nah some server u play in

[slate canopy]

What about it?

[stray chasm]

Yh

[stray chasm]

Howd u get veteran

[analog apex]

Veteran is a HLL Kickstarter backing tier. I got it back in 2018 when I backed HLL's Kickstarter.

[worthy charm]

What he is saying there is: You dont get it.

[analog apex]

Yup. 😄

Unless you bribe a discord mod xD .

[worthy charm]

That obviously would never work with our supreme mod team.

-# DM me for it

[past veldt]

Custom role for me?

Chief Ragebaiter?

#1 Commander (in my family)?

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/absolutely-not-10

And chief ragebaiter would be chum

[past veldt]

Chum is deadly serious though

[past veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-倉鼠-gif-4743840892405107604

You know I deserve one for long service, for fighting the good fight

[worthy charm]

Ey, im not making the rules here ok

I would have maid a role for "major complainers" ages ago.

Im sure Ninja and Sam would love having a new role

[cosmic pilot]

I would give Prince Paul the maid role

[worthy charm]

@analog apex I would give it to myself as well, if that makes you feel better.

[elfin holly]

Any discord mods wanna be bribed?

Need a vet sticker on my account 🤣

[slate canopy]

.... No

[hot anvil]

Yo, i see this game is on sale and it looks good, but i also saw its a game from 2017... Is this still popular?

[finite berry]

For a game of this genre, yes, it is

[worthy charm]

Popular is relative, but its defintly not an issue to get a match

[grizzled kiln]

Avg 6k players a day. So not quite dead yet 😄

[hazy owl]

Please buy we need funding for mortar development

[mint flame]

does anyone have any recommendation server that enforces tank crews?

not a big fan of seeing so many solo tanker in games.

[worthy charm]

I hoped that would be the SPA changes

Sad me

[lofty anvil]

SAS tries to discourage solo tanking. Especially locked solo's, you'll get booted if someone brings it to a mods attention

Ah wait idk about on lc

Pc

[nova pivot]

Why are you active here again?

Are you trying to fix the mistakes of the past?

You know polarbear is still the best mod

[pine ember]

Nah

[nova pivot]

Yah

[pine ember]

I hope the Artillery rework replaces the Panzer III in the SPA spot

[covert elbow]

It won;t

[pine ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165369525231947946/1357469841790865510/tenor.gif

[finite berry]

Törken

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-nothing-look-at-the-time-nothing-clock-nothing-ever-happens-clock-gif-4518983960573307132

[worthy charm]

I dont do mistakes

[worthy charm]

Hopium in this economy?

[nova pivot]

So you banned me on purpose?

[worthy charm]

Idk what youre talking about

. Mute floppa forever

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-you-know-it-bee-samara-weaving-the-babysitter-tell-me-gif-18188839

[abstract lichen]

i wonder if they'll ever add some early war stuff like Dunkirk

[covert elbow]

I hope not

[worthy charm]

Imagine Dunkirk

Just people sitting on a beach

[novel geyser]

dunkirk must be the only early war thing people know
and perhaps the worst possible choice for a HLL map

[cosmic pilot]

Would it though

It's just reverse Omaha

Checks all the boxes
French hedgerow map
Americans would recognize the name

Could be mistaken for being from band of brothers

[wintry thistle]

hes right

[abstract lichen]

by dunkirk i mean invasion of france

not just the beach

[wintry thistle]

the whole country of France

[abstract lichen]

poland might be interesting

adds new stuff (polish stuff)

[wintry thistle]

Like are we talking Stonne, Sedan

[abstract lichen]

might be a bit unbalanced with vehicles but oh well

[wintry thistle]

Could even do Arras

[cosmic pilot]

He means the city of France

[abstract lichen]

nah i mean the continent

[cosmic pilot]

Mb

[wintry thistle]

where no fighting took place

[finite berry]

Based, everyone gets bolt-action rifles

[abstract lichen]

i wonder if norway could work?

[wintry thistle]

I love my bolt actions

[wintry thistle]

Narvik would be the obvious choice

[cosmic pilot]

@worthy charm post the huk quote

[abstract lichen]

winter war could also be interesting

roleplay as simo

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363877549534740480/1455573340315058257/Absolute-Huk.gif

[cosmic pilot]

Thank you hb

[novel geyser]

the area around dunkirk isnt hedgerow country from what Im aware
thats more in normandy, dunkirk isnt in normandy
besides I mean more in the sense much of the fighting around dunkirk came to a halt
maybe I was exaggerating but they'd be more sensible choices from a historic standpoint
people just point to thing they know and suggest it without much consideration

early war france would be neat but they either butcher the point of it being early war by still having late war equipment or have it accurate to early war stuff and the general HLL playerbase will hate it for being all bolt actions and poopy tanks

[cosmic pilot]

This is the point where I claim satire to protect myself from legitimate criticism

[hallow gyro]

are there servers that are invite only or anything

all the english speaking servers have either 0 players or have max players

[worthy charm]

Filters are off?

[misty rose]

@valid plank check it dm bro

[hallow gyro]

Yes

[worthy charm]

You got the normal version and not the Public testing version?

[hallow gyro]

there are some with just a few people playing but I'd prefer more population

[hallow gyro]

yea

the main servers show its just they all have 95 people and 6 people in queue

[worthy charm]

ah ok

Yeah nothing there to do then really

[hallow gyro]

do I just wait till ppl get off

dam

[oak current]

just go on a 60-89 server

fills within moments to 100, yet you still get a slot, even without queue

[covert elbow]

Let’s give everyone bolt actions anyways

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gigachad-chad-gif-23901955

[nova pivot]

Bolt action is goated

[arctic rampart]

eyo

why tf they removed the "place outpost" marker?

[nova pivot]

Because nobody places OPs in public games

The marker isn't necessary anymore

Just the fact you lasted this much to realise it was removed

[arctic rampart]

I'll have you know I just hit level 300 and I place an op like once a match

Ey ey ey, it's like my 4th day back properly playing the game. I noticed it on day 2

Just didn't ask in here

[nova pivot]

Okay

[arctic rampart]

I was probably like 1 of 10000 players that actually uses that marker

[nova pivot]

What marker?

[arctic rampart]

The place outpost marker

Well, when it was still around

[nova pivot]

What are you talking about? That never existed.

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/umq8xiije46.gif

[past vortex]

but seriously did anyone ever use that

[arctic rampart]

I'm not bs'ing you when I say I did

[past vortex]

what for

[arctic rampart]

To tell the other squads and or cmd that I'm going to place an outpost in a specific place.

The usecases were very minor, the best one I can recall was this:

Start of match and I'm recon
After reaching around half map, I place my backup OP and keep driving
I mark the location where I plan to place my outpost
After that marking and calling in a supp drop somewhere else

At least in my mind that makes perfect sense that I'll go set down my op after which I'll proceed to the drop I request.
Obviously normie cmd's not always understood, but the better ones instantly did.

So I essentially inform of my 2 next major moves w/o needing to voice comm it.

iirc the mark was only seen by squad and cmd right?

[past vortex]

hmm yea right

[exotic fossil]

I apologize for my lack of information, but will there be a test of HLL Vietnam? Is it a test only for the DEV team, or is there a way to participate by signing up for some kind of testing program?

[slate canopy]

I am sure there will be a beta but we know nothing yet. You can get the Vietnam role and keep an eye in #sit-reps for any news Vietnam related.

[exotic fossil]

Thanks for Feedback!

[abstract lichen]

first time using the mp40, why is it genuinly so bad?

it takes forever to kill compared to the ppsh and m1a1

[thin lotus]

It’s 2 hits until 75m, that is insanely strong

[cosmic pilot]

Me

Seven or eight times

[cosmic pilot]

Needs to be to compensate for the tick rate

[past vortex]

yea i now recall seeing it at least once

[covert elbow]

It’s not bad. It’s the games horrid hit registration that’s bad

[cold arch]

Any first time using a gun is terrible. It’s the best SMG in the game, just gotta get used to using it.

[abstract lichen]

fair enough ig, its just it feels like it deals no damage and has a much lower ttk than m1a1 and ppsh

[abstract lichen]

i had a match w/ the m1a1 today and it felt fine so idk, maybe my wifi hates germany or smthn

[real parrot]

Semiauto rifles will still be superior tho

[abstract lichen]

prolly ye

(also holy moly this game with the mp40 might've been the worst i'v ever had)

[past vortex]

its slow but its also more accurate at midrange

[abstract lichen]

prolly explains, i haven't had a single mid range encounter yet

[river rover]

ℹ️ GeForce Game Ready Driver 595.79 WHQLℹ️
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/265441/

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/blablabla-stopmainsplaining-gif-4048671241003979606

[river rover]

ℹ️ AMD Chipset Drivers 8.02.18.557ℹ️
https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/am4/x570.html

[covert elbow]

M1*

The games doesn’t have the M1A1 carbine

[abstract lichen]

M1A1 Thompson

not carbine

also i like the mp40 now, i got used to it

[covert elbow]

I stand corrected

[analog gale]

When is Vietnam out?

[covert elbow]

Can we get a Vietnam counter?

[gentle lintel]

I think even the pacific one is broken

Can’t have anything nice

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[worthy charm]

I think its gotta be late Q2 or sometime in Q3

but we dont know nothing for sure

[slate canopy]

All updates for Vietnam wil be in #sit-reps so get the vietnam role in id:customize

[stoic garnet]

It plays similar to ars in more arcade games

Mid range laser beam with 1 tap hs

[rapid nexus]

my goodness, this game stutters so much it's actually abysmal to play

[abstract lichen]

dont all guns in this game have 1 tap hs?

[slate canopy]

If you're new, it will stutter some getting a cache.

[abstract lichen]

just download more RAM (please dont this is a joke)

[elfin holly]

ive played one game and was in with 3 hackers

have mercy on my soul

[stoic garnet]

yes

[slate canopy]

Did you play on official?

[inner cosmos]

i request a discord username and pfp change

wait it worked?

thats strange

[worthy charm]

Nuh uh

Except your are a hs master

[real trench]

did they get rid of the clan recruitment channel?

[slate canopy]

#1343089641489961001

[real trench]

how about pc im a pc player

[analog apex]

#1343090646168240199

Your Xbox player role tag behind your name was probably confusing.

[vocal marten]

Day 1,5678,09738 of asking for bayonets to be added to Hell let loose.

[cyan saddle]

thats a lot of days

[feral osprey]

We already have a shovel though

[vocal marten]

And they suck.

Bayonet would add melee range, add a little sway to the weapons and make the bolts a little more relevant against the grand in CQB.

Plus they look cool as hell.

[feral osprey]

Skill issue 🥹

Bayonets wont make it better

[vocal marten]

The FG42 also should have a select fire function. As should the stg 44.

Bayonets should be in the game. There's even one modeled on the FG42.

Same with the Russians. Makes no sense not to have them.

[covert elbow]

It would be awesome to have

[vocal marten]

Id love to see it.

[nova pivot]

The BAR too

[feral osprey]

They could add it but it wouldn’t effect the game play by a bit so i think team 17 doesn’t consider adding it

[vocal marten]

And if we ever do get a pacific theater, bayonets would be a no brainwr.

[covert elbow]

All weapons that had it should have it

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gold-ship-gold-ship-golshi-gold-ship-uma-musume-goku-prowler-gif-877742140786639460

[vocal marten]

I agree. It annoys me that the FG42 is seemingly not used due to it not having a select fire function.

The bar aswell.

[feral osprey]

Well just take your finger of the mouse

[finite berry]

Be happy it can use the bipod :)

[vocal marten]

Feathering the weapon does not work.

[nova pivot]

Its pretty bad compared to the STG the only good point is the RPM but with 20 bullets is useless

[covert elbow]

Uhm… they are both used a lot?

[vocal marten]

Yeah after years of begging.

[vocal marten]

I never see anyone use the fg42.

[finite berry]

True lol

[nova pivot]

Nah, the FG-42 isn't used because the STG is just better and literally unlocked since the start

[covert elbow]

That’s because it’s got no ammo at all

[covert elbow]

Also this

[vocal marten]

Hence why select fire would solve that issue and make it more relevant.

[covert elbow]

Why would you ever use the FG42 over the STG

[covert elbow]

No, it wouldn’t

[vocal marten]

How would it not?

[nova pivot]

Still I would choose the stg

The fg iron sights are worse too

[covert elbow]

With how the guns work in this game the STG is just better then the FG in every way

[vocal marten]

Yes, but then I make the point of why even have it in the game in the first place?

[covert elbow]

Only advantage is the bipod but if you know how to control the very easy recoil it doesn’t help to much

[covert elbow]

Yes

[nova pivot]

Because black matter said: hehe cool gun add it

[covert elbow]

That’s been a major issue with HLL

[vocal marten]

If no one uses it, and they don't fix the issue with it, then why even have it here. You grind your class out, and finally get ut.

[nova pivot]

Same with the shotgun

[vocal marten]

And then it turns out that due to its extremely high fire rate its impossible to really use effectively.

[vocal marten]

The shotgun is missing a slam-fire mechanism.

[covert elbow]

Vehicles and tanks aren’t really viable to be added because the game follows a basic system

[finite berry]

Exactly! Finally someone saying it

[nova pivot]

It is in the same pool as the fg-42 in terms of historical accuracy

[vocal marten]

The FG42s real life counterpart had a select fire option. Would make the gun more viable.

[covert elbow]

FG was actually used more then the shotgun

[nova pivot]

The STG would still be better

[vocal marten]

It would, but it'd atleast make the gun more fun to use.

[nova pivot]

Wasn't the shotgun used by MP?

[covert elbow]

But bottom line, fire select should be added

[nova pivot]

Fair

[vocal marten]

I love the FG, probably my favorite weapon of the war. Saddens me to see it so useless.

And quite literally tossed aside due to the better option being clear.

[covert elbow]

Yes but there’s like 3 photos in the entire ETO and they are all with MP’s on guard duty

[vocal marten]

The STG44.

[covert elbow]

HLL in a nutshell

[elfin holly]

I got into a game with my first hacker

[mellow knoll]

Not really, it's "usually tossed aside due to the worst option being clear" that fits with HLL.

lmao

[worthy charm]

A flare cd

bless be

[novel geyser]

collective sigh anyone

[nova pivot]

@fluid pawn can the name of the self propelled artillery be changed to self propelled gun?

[past veldt]

@fluid pawn what is the cooldown on flares?

[thin scarab]

Lets see what the Community things 😏

[worthy charm]

90min hopefully

[past veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/come-here-kitty-kitten-cat-cat-meme-gif-9842965060322201652

[peak knot]

disappointed spa can still destroy OPs 🙁

[tawny remnant]

Why wouldn't they lol

[cyan saddle]

In last week's build it lasted permanently until manually resupplied

Probably not intended but still

[thin scarab]

Its BS.

[arctic rampart]

I've seen like 1 match of the SPA's being actually impactful and that was on PHL and our team lacked tanks...

[worthy charm]

Comp has a different experiece I believe

[thin scarab]

Played a Comp Match on Remagen and our spas were just farming OPs

[past veldt]

The issue wasn't the SPAs there

[mellow knoll]

We need them reworked so that SPAs are proper Assault Guns first, then they can make proper SPAs.

[thin scarab]

Yeah somewhat True but still. In Comp you know were Players coming from so you can just Farm those Spots

[past veldt]

Oh yeah for sure

[novel geyser]

they just need to go all out and convert them fully to assault guns with the correct stats and ranges

[past veldt]

I forget which teams played with SPAs on Utah, and they were quite good

[novel geyser]

and make the panzer III just a tank

[arctic rampart]

😴

[past veldt]

Just stops you from having any sort of frontline momentum through the chokepoints

[mellow knoll]

this

[fervent dagger]

Assault guns are a type of Spa though.

[mellow knoll]

No they aren't

[thin scarab]

If you have a good crew and good Info the spas Are actually really helpfull

[mellow knoll]

They aren't Artillery vehicles, they're Infantry Support vehicles

[arctic rampart]

Pretty sure they ain't doing it so just throw the topic

[novel geyser]

assault guns arent for indirect fire, SPAs are more for that

SPAs shouldnt really be in HLL same with normal artillery

[mellow knoll]

Self-Propelled Artillery vehicles were primarily open-topped vehicles with artillery guns used for much longer range. Assault Tanks had shorter barreled guns that were primarily used to destroy enemy defenses and support infantry advances that were close to medium range. They didn't have the ability to have indirect fire.

[novel geyser]

atleast when it comes to being able to manually use and fire them

[arctic rampart]

a lil' short barreled stug would go hard tho

[thin scarab]

They should just Remove arty and leave the spas in

[novel geyser]

they should get rid of both and add mortars

leave artillery as a commander call in

[thin scarab]

Yeah that Would be the best thing

[arctic rampart]

Broo

[novel geyser]

then you can pretend its SPAs firing the arty :^)

[mellow knoll]

The best way they could have done it is remove all artillery in the game save for Mortar squads. Then have the big artillery guns as command abilities like they are currently.

[arctic rampart]

we legit need to make this into a new image just like the pacific 🥀

[past veldt]

Buff the commander arty too pls. They nerfed it way too much

[novel geyser]

except pacific is funny because its a bad idea

[past veldt]

Keep the price. Bump up the shells / timings to the original amount. Then we've got something worth using

[mellow knoll]

HLL's map sizes just don't work with Artillery's existence as it is rn. They're too small.

[hazy owl]

why would anyone be using SPA when you can build HQ Arty anywhere now 😄 you can spawn and rebuild it in a few seconds why bother driving it across the map risking it being destroyed etc.. it just does not make any sense

[arctic rampart]

Not to mention that the SPA costs ammo instead of fuel.

Giving 280 ammo for a subpar arty gun felt not great imho

[thin scarab]

Not anywhere just First 2 sectors. Still Crazy tho

[worthy charm]

OPs can be killed and the radius it bigger

Or can arty do that as well now?

[thin scarab]

But you can destroy OPs only for that reason I Would still use a Spa

[arctic rampart]

150 fuel solo recon goes boom boom boom

rip 280 ammo 🥀

Talking about recon stuff.

Give spotter satchel

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/get-tf-out-get-out

[hazy owl]

too bad it's too OP for comp games

[hard whale]

When are we getting more armor changes

[thin scarab]

Its Not really to OP

[arctic rampart]

I love how recon squads get more combat effectiveness then a full 3 man tank squad kicking butt for an entire game

[past veldt]

Ammo is easier to save than fuel tbh

[hazy owl]

Life of infantry is painful enough as is and getting OPs destroyed by arty is just another slap in a face

[past veldt]

It's pretty rare I'm wishing I had more munitions but I'm always wanting more fuel for tanks

[arctic rampart]

Oh yeah, but just lowbie commanders spam bombings and strafings and now a 280 tank for feeding doesn't help.

If you got gucci asian tank squads then fuel upkeep's prio

XLB, if you know, you know

[past veldt]

Strafing run is a trap for bad commanders

Bombing run is a trap for commanders who think they're good

[arctic rampart]

exaaaactly

But damn they get offended when I try to explain it 😭

Anyways, what's with the INSANE influx of asian players on EU servers? Like daaamn

Every match of every day you got like 2-3 asian squads per team

[past veldt]

Usually happens when their servers are getting DDOSed

[arctic rampart]

So often, ey?

[past veldt]

Honestly yeah, they were getting wrecked by it for a while

[hazy owl]

only two positive changes this patch:

• ammo node actually does something useful
• flare cooldown

[arctic rampart]

I mean some of them are real G's. Even made some new buddies

Too bad I'm studying Japanese and not Chinese. Would be a bit easier to comm then

[cosmic pilot]

All the artillery changes are correct

If I see one mf complain I will execute someone

[mellow knoll]

Oh did the devs actually fix the fact the arty crews look like tankers? Or are these pictures on the website just old pictures reused before the arty squad existed?

[hazy owl]

I hope the static arty range is decreased so players are forced to deploy it further from the HQ

[sturdy quarry]

@fluid pawn in the screenshots of the arty squad it looks like they are in standard infantry uniform rather than tanker uniform, is that a change in this test?

[cosmic pilot]

You're wrong

[novel geyser]

im complaining because its not enough of a change

[sturdy quarry]

ah i wrote my question before i saw your reply

i think it made... some sense as the arty squad drove a SPA which were actually more like tanks than arty?

[novel geyser]

its better sure, but not the best

[mellow knoll]

I would've preferred them to do a specific class for operating them if that's the case.

Instead of just making them all look like tankers.

[fallen ravine]

Why flare cooldown

[novel geyser]

less spam

[cosmic pilot]

It's enough for now

[novel geyser]

I honestly always thought flares were on a cooldown

[past veldt]

Please ignore MUG. He has NA brain

[cosmic pilot]

Don't make them second guess themselves and revert the whole thing I swear

[fallen ravine]

Well of course you support it

[sturdy quarry]

yeah its the problem of one class that can either drive a tank, or use backline guns, or go on the attack with flare n OP etc - was odd seeing tanker uniforms fighting with bolt action rifles at the front line

so dunno what the answer is other than

armour squad drives SPA, arty squad does.... arty

[past veldt]

Little rat boy will bait out flares

[novel geyser]

needs to be more
whos to say they will do anything else other than dust their hands and say "artillery fixed"

[cosmic pilot]

I'll take an incremental change in the right direction over no change

[novel geyser]

because they are famous for reverting unpopular changes

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[hazy owl]

The issue is there are open field maps where building spawns is possible in a very limited areas like behind the one building.. those spots are difficult to splash from tanks but now it can be sniped by SPA making the whole location unplayable for infantry

Foy mid point for example

[cosmic pilot]

Infantry needs a tool to remove enemy spawn points with indirect fire at range

[cosmic pilot]

Since both teams will have access to it it means there's the potential for back and forth

It just means those areas become less stable

It'll be harder for either team to cement a static advantage

[hazy owl]

If you remove spawns you remove infantry from that area and the maps are not balanced

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, think of how many areas are impossible to remove infantry from

[fluid pawn]

That may just be a cosmetic issue as I got them on a dev build 😅 Will have to check when it's live on Exp Branch tomorrow

[cosmic pilot]

Because there's no tool to deal with it

[mellow knoll]

That'd be a good issue if that's the case, fixes that problem lmao

[novel geyser]

artillery should look like normal infantry lol

[sturdy quarry]

thanks ben, if i had to pick one or the other id rather they were in standard inf uniform as we only tend to see the player model when using arty gun or when fighting as infantry with flare etc

rarely see SPA crew bail out as they are behind the action anyway, and dont see the model when using SPA

[fluid pawn]

Update from the devs

[mellow knoll]

The guys operating the static guns should be normal infantry, the guys operating the armor should look like tankers.

[fluid pawn]

"I've just been spying on the discord and I saw people ask about the Arty uniform. Yes we did change it so that they are infantry uniforms by default, but they can still equip tanker cosmetics if they want to go for the SPA crew asthetic"

[mellow knoll]

Thank god.

Good change, thank you.

[fluid pawn]

Say hey to the devs, they're around here somewhere lol

[hazy owl]

Let's say we disagree and have very two different viewpoints.. you think it's actually a good thing to magically remove spawn points for infantry.. it's already hard in public games to establish a frontline..

[mellow knoll]

One step in the right direction! Now devs if you're reading this, I BEG YOU. Make SPAs into Assault Guns as they should be!

[sturdy quarry]

great... are the devs feeling OK? finally a thought through decision...

[fluid pawn]

First of many soad 🫡

[mellow knoll]

If you back-track and make them proper Assault Gun vehicles as they should be I'll finally stop hating as much so I can put my mind at ease when it comes to gameplay issues.

[novel geyser]

did SPA crew even have tank uniforms
I mean actual SPAs are open tops anyways most things I see of SPA crews is they also just wear normal artilleryman uniforms

[mellow knoll]

Well as for germans I do believe they wore tanker uniforms for operating the SPAs.

Idk about America or the other factions

[hazy owl]

How about having people face random directions when spawned so the blueberries stop running directly to attack the next point.. Moreover players abuse this when waiting for the next spawn wave... that would be nice to have

[novel geyser]

shame we dont have any real SPAs asside from the bishop

[fluid pawn]

It's currently 5 mins. Same as a supply box. But unlike a supply box, there's currently no way to increase the cooldown.

[mellow knoll]

@novel geyser We need to play CTA at some point when you got time

[novel geyser]

peraps

[sturdy quarry]

decrease? and arent flares resuppled from explosive box to skip cooldown

[fallen ravine]

What a joke

[hazy owl]

there is no cooldown right now.. the only cooldown is the redeploy time

just like AT rockets

[sturdy quarry]

ah yep ofc, we are talking cooldown that follows you when die

[worthy charm]

Imagine

CD for rockets

I think the thought alone makes me cry

[junior owl]

CD on shooting

[fallen ravine]

Cooldown on a change made making sense

[sturdy quarry]

but whilst flare is on the new cooldown, can it be resupplied from explosive box

and

i took ben "increase" to have meant decrease, like a supply box you decrease cooldown by being in node radius

[junior owl]

5 minutes gcd is brutal. i guess recon is back to hunting artillery instead of popping flares on point?

[cyan pelican]

Bit of a silly question maybe, but with the change to the static artillery. Will that mean it can shoot into the 5th cap point now?

[hazy owl]

I would be okay with cooldown for rockets with the ability to resupply from the explosive box so you are not incentivise to redeploy

[fallen ravine]

In most public games, if you want to put the recon player shooting flares on a “cooldown” find the outpost from which he is shooting his flares from??

Also how is flare “spam” a bad thing? Most newbies are clueless as to where enemies can be in most cases

[worthy charm]

You ever played any kind of comp or organized match?

Its terrible

[tight trout]

I have its fun

[pseudo heath]

What. The. F

[worthy charm]

im talking about the flare spam

[silk igloo]

Flares are a solution to ninja spawns. Take both out.

[fallen ravine]

Just played against ESPT on Mortain and it helped a lot for knowing where all of their bush rats were.

[junior owl]

tryharding flares is completely brainrot

[heady hornet]

to get stalemate meta back? Might as well introduce weapon skins along and close the servers.

[sturdy quarry]

yep but game removing the ability to brain rot is a good thing

[solar slate]

SPA -> SPG and add mortars

[hazy owl]

I agree that having more flares available in matches with mostly low skilled players is better and can make the game way more fun

[novel geyser]

I think the last thing this game needs is more magical cooldowns like its a hero shooter

[past veldt]

SIR

I am right here

[fallen ravine]

Have you ever played a comp match without flares? How do you reliably get people out of your backline?

[past veldt]

Brother we played comp without flares for years

[worthy charm]

You dont

[junior owl]

idk, it never happens on pubs anyway and in comp people could just ban it if they wanted to

[worthy charm]

:}

[fallen ravine]

Unless you have suspected radar cheats that a particular team is suspected of😎

[past veldt]

Last time we played without flares I think I won a tournament

[solar slate]

Being encouraged to redeploy because it's the best way to play is much more immersion killing than some cooldowns

[heady hornet]

yes. worked fine aswell, just need more people.

[heady hornet]

no, I was flaring that final. 😄

[hazy owl]

Anything is better than having players to redeploy to reach the objective

[worthy charm]

get old man reacted

[past veldt]

I am unc status

[fallen ravine]

What year was that

[past veldt]

Trotche is full grandad status

[past veldt]

Old man Trotche just let me know we had flares in 2023

[heady hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-my-free-coffee-gif-25537785

[worthy charm]

Wait... what Sam then?

[cyan pelican]

Probably a lukewarm take, but get rid of flares all together.

[past veldt]

Irrelevant

[slate canopy]

Nooo 🥺 🥺 🥺

[silk igloo]

I've never needed spawns behind the enemy to beat them, I've always needed more tanks. I dont see how a stalemate could happen now, especially with SPAs being touted as so powerful.

Or rather, I dont see it becoming a common occurrence without ninja spawns

[hazy owl]

That's the whole point... if you want to flank someone you get immediately spotted and the whole game is a stalemate for the mid point.. not having the flares would make more breakthroughs possible

[past veldt]

Honestly though, low-key, it flare spam makes the fun and interesting plays harder.

I remember getting man marked by two ESPT flareboys in a final. Like what do I do against that

[heady hornet]

Have you played in the timeline of absolutely no redzone garries? You capped mid and played with your balls for the next 70 minutes. You lost midcap? You could've just go afk.

[worthy charm]

Btw the SPA changed are pretty nice

[heady hornet]

especially on maps like foy westbend.

[heady hornet]

still OP killer's though.