mess-hall

[runic gorge]

New map rework is fire 🔥🔥

From mid to peak

[glossy dagger]

peak to mid 🗣️ 🗣️

I never thought the devs would take R6 siege approach

[thin lotus]

amazing, the entirety of S44's population is interested in this dead map

[hybrid sage]

sniping allies arty on remagen with a tank from hq >

[thin lotus]

"Improved Airhead Opportunities"
There is something deeply wrong about this phrase

[novel geyser]

remagen was far from peak definitely one of the worst maps
All it really needed gameplay wise though was making the middle point the bridge no matter what, and they did that so they didnt really need to do more crossings

[glossy dagger]

ts is gonna suck, almost impossible to hold any crossings now

[runic gorge]

What's the worst map currently

[finite berry]

true lol

[novel geyser]

remagen or el alamein probably

maybe even mortain

[glossy dagger]

name any british map

[novel geyser]

nah they aint that bad, tobruk is fun, driel could certainly be better though
needs to open up some buildings

but driel and el alamein were dumb choices

[glossy dagger]

remagen was the best when it first came out

[novel geyser]

definitely not

[runic gorge]

I wish we got more British maps

[novel geyser]

would be nice, Juno is basically a british map

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[novel geyser]

I really want caen personally

[runic gorge]

Give me Australia in HLL 😔

[novel geyser]

when they add Burma and the Japanese

[glossy dagger]

fighting over one bridge is fun, now having to hold off 3 crossings is going to suck and borderline impossible, if it was maybe 1 other crossing, I wouldn't be apposed to that for slight balancing

[runic gorge]

Or.... HLL Vietnam 🤑

[winter rover]

No, Italy

[novel geyser]

😴

[winter rover]

https://klipy.com/gifs/reggiane-re2005-sagittario

[runic gorge]

RS2 better anyways

[solar slate]

i dont mind the three lanes altho if the central bridge was designed so that the undersides had better cover and it was a bit wider overall with a few more exit points on the base of the bridge it would've been pretty fun overall, teh big issue was there was no way to fight through it without getting mangled by arty or some campers targeting the underside from the sides

[novel geyser]

real and true!

[winter rover]

You know what we really need

[novel geyser]

I do want italy, a map in Sicily would be great

[winter rover]

a red orchestra 3

[novel geyser]

REAL AND TRUE!

[runic gorge]

RO3 with Berlin 🙏🏻

[novel geyser]

would be peak

[runic gorge]

IIRC BO has a beta Berlin map

Like very unfinished tho

[novel geyser]

ooh

[winter rover]

People like to call HLL a ptsd sim, but I beg to differ.. RO2 was a true ptsd sim

[finite berry]

Berlin is such an overrated idea for a map

[novel geyser]

RO2 and RS2 as the kids say mog HLL in terms of immersion by a mile

[glossy dagger]

yet 90 % of the time, they still managed to push through and get across the bridge, you need to work with tanks and the rest of your team to do so.

[runic gorge]

Post Scriptum lowkey mogs HLL

[winter rover]

Tank combat too was easily better, like no competition at all

[finite berry]

BO2?

[winter rover]

And how AT rifles worked

[novel geyser]

oh woops RO2

[winter rover]

yeah black ops 2 ftw!

[finite berry]

Ah, thought so 😄

Thought you meant Black Ops 2 lmfao

[winter rover]

black ops 1 was better anyways imo 😛

Still play it from time to time on my ps3

[finite berry]

Never played it

[dusty bolt]

This map layout is just silly. Was this even QA'd?

[hybrid sage]

we are the qa u goob

why u think they made exp branch lmao

[solar slate]

more like 90% of the time it was a stalemate until an airhead forced some pressure off and only then a breakthrough can happen

[winter rover]

I just despise the HLL tanks, that's like my biggest turn off with this game

[quartz violet]

they are pretty damn tough

[glossy dagger]

Exactly, that's my point tho, people STILL got through

[quartz violet]

especially when they are backed up by troops

[glossy dagger]

you gotta work as a team

you dont need extra crossings

[winter rover]

Squad 44 does it better obviously, but still.. nothing will ever compare to RO2 tanks

[quartz violet]

theres no detailed models in this game so disabling the tanks take damn long

[hybrid sage]

even with an airhead, if u want to win u just put 2 people on either edge of the map and kill it ez lol

[winter rover]

I'd rather have fewer but well modelled and realistic tank gameplay than a whole bunch of tanks that play like world of tanks but slowed down

[quartz violet]

but eh ig giving detailed modules would make it really easy to kill tanks

[glossy dagger]

maybe dont put it on the edge of the map then??? people always do that

[quartz violet]

also with the lack of zeroing, makes it really hard to range the guns correctly

[winter rover]

Even tank commanders, they have it way too easy

[hybrid sage]

doesnt matter, it takes 90 seconds to have a spawn wave after called and u can nade it from 45m

tons of time to deal with it

[winter rover]

Sitting inside the tank with clear 360 view of the outside

[solar slate]

"if only people were better"

[obtuse dragon]

Man, you could completely trap the enemy tank in a spot if you broke the tracks and he couldn't do anything about it 🥀

[winter rover]

I remember the good old days of commanding a Pz 4 with my friends. When you get into the a tight urban area, you feel completely blind and vulnerable

Even though you have the windows in the commander's cupola, it wasn't enough in those situations, you felt so blind

Then you have the T-34's 🤣

[obtuse dragon]

tho I'm pretty sure BO fixes that

[winter rover]

Commanders couldn't see sh*t

[obtuse dragon]

because like, in red orchestra you spawned on the tank and couldn't get out, But on black orchestra they actually work as a vehicle

[winter rover]

That was the only downside with the tanks

But I was referring to in combat situations when advancing in a combat zone

[obtuse dragon]

Oh yeah, tanks feel vulnerable asf when you leave a safe spot like the woods on BoD

[winter rover]

Nowadays only game that is comparable to RO2 tanks is IL2 TC, but completely diff experiences

[obtuse dragon]

A single AT grenade or a couple of AT shots and you're done

[winter rover]

RO2 focuses on close and combined arms combat, IL2 TC long range tank v tank combat on massive terrain

Squad 44 tanks are really fun and good especially the variety, but no interiors is a huge let down for me

HLL tanks... 🤢

[finite berry]

Modelling interiors is just a waste of time, honestly

[winter rover]

This is why I'm fine with having only a few tanks, but realistic and modelled interiors

There's no way for S44 to have modelled interiors since there's just way too many tanks

[finite berry]

Again, who needs interiors

[winter rover]

And it'll add to the performance issues that game already faces

[finite berry]

Looks nice, but at the end of the day a useless addition that eats up performance and dev time

[winter rover]

It's just a personal preference, you may not need it but I do

[keen glen]

me

[finite berry]

fair

[winter rover]

Coming from RO2 and IL2 TC, you get very used to it

[keen glen]

🫰

[cosmic pilot]

Sigh

[oak current]

the House Owners

[atomic pendant]

Any check out Remagen yet?

[cosmic pilot]

Build isn't live?

It's just, the remagen refresh is bending over to player demands and I hate it

[oak current]

people been playing for like 1,5 hours 👀

[spark aspen]

Any of you wonder why the devs chose the brummbar instead of the stug or stuh for the German spg?

[cosmic pilot]

It'll probably be "fine" and "better" but it doesn't stop me from being grumpy about it

[finite berry]

Because they have no idea what SPAs are

[spark aspen]

Tbh real

[finite berry]

Or they have an idea but literally don't care

Which is far because the players don't care either

[spark aspen]

I wish the spgs were more like he cqc tanks

Instead of bootleg artillery

[desert ledge]

Weapon skins may be coming.

[spark aspen]

Why would hell let loose need weapon skins

This isn’t COD

[desert ledge]

There is a placeholder test for them in the exp branch

[finite berry]

Because 💰

[obtuse dragon]

Having an actual animation instead of teleporting between seats makes you vulnerable

[finite berry]

In what way?

[spark aspen]

Having to climb over the top into a tank instead of phasing into it

[cosmic pilot]

TFW a game from over a decade ago has this feature without eating performance

[spark aspen]

I feel likes it isn’t needed but would be realistic as a way to prevent tankers from hopping out mid battle

[orchid dawn]

is there any night versions on the experimental branch for remagen

[covert elbow]

Checking it now, and I’m dissatisfied. The new bridges don’t really add much and they are fairly inaccurate to real life, Altough one of them is correct model so that’s good. Ludendorf bridge has been widened a bit and the new scaffolding is good but once again, historically inaccurate.

The new bridges really don’t solve any of the gameplay issues with the map and if anything will make the map worse because now the team will be very split up instead of the middle point fight that made the map unique.

They also didn’t even touch the other areas of the map so we just getting worse remagen. And I don’t blame the devs, a lot of people didn’t realize that the problem wasn’t the Bridge itself but the game not making it the solidified hard point and then enhancing the surrounding areas to make the map as a whole more enjoyable since apart from the bridge remagen is bland as hell. Expanding the towns of Remagen and Erpel would have been great but no, here’s some more bridges which do nothing but cause more issues.

And why was the shore expanded??? If it’s for airheads then what’s the point of the pontoon bridges???

Just a weird refresh all around and I hope they go back to the drawing board

[silk igloo]

I figured out that you can shoot the SPA much farther away from high ground like on Remagen, maybe 800-1000m, but its tricky because turning the gun too low derps the shell right below you

[finite berry]

That has nothing to do with that? Like, you can still enter the tank by holding F

[obtuse dragon]

Like, let's say i'm switching seats from the gunner to the driver

[spark aspen]

Wait between seats? That isn’t needed at all

[finite berry]

It's about having the tank's interior modelled, not about not having animations for leaving or entering the vehicle

[finite berry]

I agree

[cosmic pilot]

I guess I'm vindicated

[spark aspen]

Ohhhh

[cosmic pilot]

To make remagen proper you need to shift the map down, like 600m

[covert elbow]

Also that yea

[cosmic pilot]

Make the entrance to the tunnel the German hq

[obtuse dragon]

The Stalingrad rework happened again

[covert elbow]

Yea, but at least Stalingrad was a net positive

[spark aspen]

I absolutely despise Stalingrad

[covert elbow]

Remagen is just not a positive at all

[cosmic pilot]

If SMDM can get it's location completely changed from the original then remagen should be able to he changed significantly too

[covert elbow]

Also why is Ludendorff bridge the hard middle point now??? Like what’s the point since we have more bridges ow???

The only reason we wanted to see it as the hard point was because it was the only good middle point with the bridges now it makes much more sense to have extra middle points

[past veldt]

The only way to fix Remagen is to hit delete on it

[thin lotus]

You can also easily fix all of HLLs issues with a couple clicks

[past veldt]

They clearly didn't understand the issues at play so just did something

[spark aspen]

Also when is Juno beach being added?

[winter rover]

When are we getting bayonets?

And select fire?

[finite berry]

Honestly, does HLL need bayonets and select fire?

[winter rover]

I need select fire

[finite berry]

Like, does it REALLY need it?

[thin lotus]

Bayonets, in HLLV
Select fire, click once to shoot once, simple

[winter rover]

And bayonets would have definitely saved me many times when I used to play

[wintry thistle]

Select fire yes
Any WW2 game worth its salt has a fire mode switch for guns that feature it

[winter rover]

mbk 44 and G41 too would be nice

[finite berry]

Yeah, I get that, but I don't think it would change much from a gameplay perspective; that's where I'm coming from

[wintry thistle]

It wouldn’t really
But it’s plain silly it’s not in the game

[winter rover]

All these small things combined together is what makes the game more immersive ❤️

[obtuse dragon]

Yes I Don't want the slow asf animation for the shovel

[silk igloo]

2 extra bridges and the underpass extending to the end should be enough to unstuck it. The middle bridge is more like 2 layers now since you had to pop in from the underpass. Not so anymore.

[obtuse dragon]

It would make actually viable to melee hit someone

[thin lotus]

teleports behind you
immersively bayonets you

[obtuse dragon]

Instead of a silly "Haha i got you" kill

[finite berry]

Why viable?

[obtuse dragon]

Have you tried killing with the shovel?

Or any melee weapon

[finite berry]

Since I don't play the game, no

[winter rover]

in S44, I would always put on my bayonet when entering a building or trench because you never know

[steady vessel]

Me rn

https://tenor.com/view/withdrawal-heroin-spoon-burn-gif-13602637

[finite berry]

Yeah, but the hitbox is extremely wonky xD

[obtuse dragon]

For some reason the wind up animation is longer when you're about to hit someone the animation takes longer and you need to be insanely close to them

[finite berry]

Ah, I see

[winter rover]

Yeah they're a bit difficult to use

Verdun does it really well

[finite berry]

Wouldn't it make more sense then to just fix that?

[past veldt]

If you can bayonet someone

Why not just left click and shoot

[finite berry]

I've heard that Beyond the Wire also has a very good melee system

Just heard that tho, never played that game

[obtuse dragon]

Because i have no ammo and bolting the rifle would leave me vulnerable

[winter rover]

idk maybe if you run out of ammo or you miss and have to cylce another bolt?

It's common sense bro lol

[past veldt]

There has never been a moment in 4000 hours of HLL I've thought god I wish I had a bayonet.

If you shoot and miss, the other guy is just going to kill you anyway

[obtuse dragon]

And a fire selector would be kinda useful? I mean, as long as it adds the 650 RPM on the BAR

[past veldt]

If you've got no ammo, why are you running about the gaff looking for fights

[obtuse dragon]

Because I'm In the middle of a fight

[past veldt]

And if you miss, you're dead anyway

[covert elbow]

Honestly I’m disappointed they kept the under bridge. Like if they wanted to make this map good they should have just shortened the maps length and expanded its width with the towns and a bit of the fields

[past veldt]

So just pull out the shovel and get to work yknow? Bayonet would be dead content

[winter rover]

It happened to me quite a number of times actually

[novel geyser]

I have

[past veldt]

Fire selector for BAR I can see the use case, but to go from semi to full auto would be dead content too

[covert elbow]

Remagen is not bad because of the bridge. It’s one of its best strong suits. It’s not good because everywhere else is boring as hell and the strong point could not be the bridge

[obtuse dragon]

And tbh a bayonet stab would be more silent than a gunshot

[covert elbow]

AND WHY IS THE BRIDGE THE HARDPOINT IF THERES MULTIPLE BRIDGES NOW

IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE

I’m going to be writing a very lengthy review

[past veldt]

If you've got time for silent work you've got time to use a shovel

[obtuse dragon]

Unfortunately there's a longer wind up when you're about to hit someone so it isn't viable

[past veldt]

And that wouldn't be the case with bayonet? You think it's just going to be an immediate kill button 😅

[winter rover]

And you can stab further

[obtuse dragon]

No, But it would be definetly faster and would definetly have a longer melee range because it's a knife on a rifle

[winter rover]

The bayonet saved me a couple of times in S44

[atomic pendant]

I disagree mainly because the fog ruins it. The night version with no fog is better now.

[covert elbow]

Oh absolutely. The fog makes no sense

But actually looking at the map itself it’s an overall net positive with the new buildings, terrain, and cover

Remagens refresh is just bad though

I’ve said it before but once again I hope this gets completely scrapped

[obtuse dragon]

They already spent the time and money

[covert elbow]

And that’s sadly why it’s going to go through

[obtuse dragon]

Maybe they could fix some things but i don't think they'll scrap it

[covert elbow]

Who cares if it completely ruins the original meaning of the map and kills its gameplay flow

[thin lotus]

its obvious they're grasping at things to do. Dont get too upset about it

[finite berry]

I mean, it can barely get played less than it does now, right 😄

[covert elbow]

Fair

Sucks that so many maps in game are just banished because their “not competitively viable”

If every map was that then no map would be unique

[past veldt]

I'm sure all 204 players on Remagen right now will be buzzing for the change

[covert elbow]

I don’t play a map because it’s completely fair and balanced, I play it because it’s unique

[worthy charm]

Why are you always so critical?

[atomic pendant]

I agree. Also had very, very few instances where I was out of ammo.

[past veldt]

4000 hours of HLL

[worthy charm]

Do another 4k and I call you Sam v2

[atomic pendant]

Sure but the fog makes it a net negative for me. I'd revert the changes to have no fog. But then again, Stalingrad was my favorite map before the refresh...

[past veldt]

Help me

[worthy charm]

You help me first

[obtuse dragon]

I miss the old Pavlov house so much

[past veldt]

80% of the way through a commander guide

[covert elbow]

Well that’s because the death to spawn ratio is so quickly combined with ammo being so plentiful and resupplied on death. If ammo wasn’t so plentiful and easy a back up weapon would be handy

Also I’ve had many a time when I would have loved a bayonet, but mainly on non-us maps

[worthy charm]

people will finally know how the abilitys work. 🥹

[past veldt]

Honestly yeah, that's what has sparked it

[worthy charm]

Last time i was so happy, was when they buffed recon tank speed.

[past veldt]

That section is pretty viable to post tbf

[finite berry]

Because of the Garand?

[atomic pendant]

Yep, agreed but unless they address those items too, it's a non-issue IMO.

[covert elbow]

Since if I’m going bolt action vs bolt action it’s sometimes more beneficial to run a guy through then rack the bolt. But going against the US everyone has a semi or automatic so it’s not as smart

Hence why we should give everyone a Springfield amen

[covert elbow]

Yes

[atomic pendant]

Rather they spend dev resources elsewhere. Way bigger fish to fry than bayonets just because you can.

[obtuse dragon]

Or give the garand to level 3 rifleman

[covert elbow]

A sentence that can be said for 99% of HLL’s problems lmao

[covert elbow]

(That was a joke for the love of god do not give Springfields)

[atomic pendant]

And remove historical accuracy and asymmetrical gameplay?

[obtuse dragon]

Damn But I love the Springfield 😔

[atomic pendant]

Lol ok saw you were joking

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/well-that's-too-damn-bad-holes-too-bad-oh-well-suck-it-up-gif-14703423262202948839

If we want Springfields then we need Africa or really early war USMC

But that ain’t gonna happen because it’s to much work

[past veldt]

Rifleman on US should have a Springfield option tbf

[obtuse dragon]

It would be an odd sidegrade tbf

[pine ember]

Rather add it to a new grenadier class or give the Assault a rifle grenade loadout

[obtuse dragon]

The lvl 3 rifleman gives you the sidegrade of less firepower but more ammo and less recoil

[past veldt]

Yeah for sure, probably just a straight downgrade. Maybe switch up Rifleman lvl 1 into Springfield and make Rifleman 6 a Garand with explo ammo

[covert elbow]

The only way it works is in a rifle grenade role. And I say ROLE and not LOADOUT because each military had multiple weapons with rifle grenades

[obtuse dragon]

Give the stg to the german rifleman 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[covert elbow]

Adding it as a role is really hampering its potential

But yea, to keep on topic remagen refresh is just bad

[fallen ravine]

Give it to AT

With explo box too

[past veldt]

Give it to flare spotter too

[obtuse dragon]

I feel like with each refresh they get rid of historically accurate stuff for no reason

like my beloved Pavlov house

[fallen ravine]

Where are the ss uniforms

[thin lotus]

historically accurately teleports behind you

[obtuse dragon]

not yet, we still don't have berlin on the game

[covert elbow]

To be fair Pavlov was a FPS monster and made Stalingrad hard to play with the frame drops. But they couldn’t have just cleaned it up?

[fallen ravine]

Or pacific where is pacific

[covert elbow]

Now it’s gone and we’ve lost something that made part of the map special

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah that's what i was thinking, they could have just made changes to the building instead of gutting it with the rest of the map

[obtuse dragon]

actually if we get berlin we'll Probably get the volksstrum

[covert elbow]

We aren’t getting Berlin unless it’s the final map iirc

We have a bunch of other cool locations to do first anyways

I’m waiting for the fresh baked goods video on the refresh. Always like hearing his opinions

[obtuse dragon]

we need more british maps

[covert elbow]

And Soviet

And Africa

Hey it’s almost as if they added to much content

[obtuse dragon]

Or they added not so much content for certain factions because the game was supposed to be focused on the US and late war

Like darkest hour

[silk igloo]

i wonder how many players even know that the game has anti-tank grenades, just exclusive to a single map

[obtuse dragon]

I tried to use them, worst mistake of my life

[silk igloo]

i wonder if anyone has even done a guide on what they can even damage. i need to stop starting sentences with "i wonder" godddam

[covert elbow]

Oh yea!

Cool addition. But useless because the Brit’s only have one map

[covert elbow]

Not that, it was inspired by WW2 media

Pretty much every map apart from the Hurtgen maps were based on popular media

[obtuse dragon]

And still useless because to kill a recon tank you need 2 nades and a light tank 3 on the engine

[covert elbow]

God I just want module damage to matter

[novel geyser]

the game was always planned to have more than the US vs Germany, its just thats what it started with

[obtuse dragon]

Thought it was more focused on late war

[novel geyser]

real tank damage needs to be more in depth
I still feel like AT rifles need more of a buff

[novel geyser]

the original US stuff is all late war, normandy to germany but they always planned to add the soviets since that was in their kickstarter goals
Even soviet maps are like mid war in 1943, its just black matter never made an eastern front german map to accurately balance the teams

[covert elbow]

No. The original maps were inspired by Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan, and The Longest Day

[novel geyser]

and before they added soviets they did a ton of changes to the germans to make them more symmetrical against he US because people wouldnt stop complaining about the m1 garand

[covert elbow]

Even though they said they would…

[novel geyser]

💔

[past veldt]

US were winning like 80% if pub matches or something in U7. It needed balancing 😅

I remember seeing a lot of people crunching the numbers back then. It was painfully clear something had to change

[novel geyser]

I think they could have done it in more interesting ways. Or at the very least make an eastern front german faction when soviets came around

and even still they could fix bolt actions being needlessly slow with when you can bolt after shooting

[past veldt]

We had a buggy fast bolting thing but they fixed it for the slow bolting we have now, which was after the changes they made to combat the US advantages

[thin lotus]

A predominantly armed force wielding an 8 round, 200m one-shotting weapon is OP?
No way, how could this happen in my FPS

[worthy charm]

Shhhhhhh
-# People still argue that the STG is much better

[thin lotus]

automatics that can one-shot up to 100m is just as stupid, too. More so, actually. That is way too high of a one-shot distance

[cosmic pilot]

Chum when it takes anything less than 1.7 mags from a full auto weapon to kill someone in a videogame.

One 30rnd mag one kill

At 5 feet

[covert elbow]

Just make the weapon have actual mechanics instead of the laser beams we currently have

One shots could work if it took more effort and skill to use the gun

[worthy charm]

laser weapons?

Star wars mods when?

[novel geyser]

damage models? in this game?
No no no go back to cod kid this is a realistic game where everyone is a bloody meat sponge with no internal organs or bones

you will get killed by being shot in the finger and weapon damage will plumet after 200m

[covert elbow]

Just don’t mind the fact that most of the rifle bullets can punch through a small tree at 300m

[thin lotus]

Straw man fallacy.
Hush up, noob

[novel geyser]

teleport fallacy

[thin lotus]

"one bullet would kill you irl" ☝️🤓

gets revived faster in HLL than in BF6 after taking a hail of bullets so long as it hit your soldiers body

[honest pecan]

It should take 15 minutes to kill anyone imho, and a field surgery system should be added

[thin lotus]

😐

[lost jewel]

when is veitnam

[cyan saddle]

vietnam never left, you can find it next to cambodia and laos

if you mean the upcoming game Hell Let Loose: Vietnam however, we dunno

[lost jewel]

laos still a thing?

[cyan saddle]

somehow ye

[lost jewel]

thought they all went to minnesota

[tropic light]

@nocturne birch

@dusty bolt is running FNF tonight, it is NOT canceled

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-kill-myself-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-frustrated-gif-13414030

[cosmic pilot]

Strawman fallacy

[thin lotus]

wrong

[cosmic pilot]

atleast i exaggerated what you said to make it sound funny

[nocturne birch]

ITS CANCELLEDDDDDDDDDDD

[solid falcon]

are there any plans to try and fix the level 1 bug in the game?

[past vortex]

naw

[covert elbow]

No, now buy more DLC

[nova pivot]

Yes

❤️ DLC

[cosmic pilot]

I'm so done with this game community

[slate canopy]

Why?

[covert elbow]

Bridge

[thick stream]

wi wi wi howdy hey

[slate canopy]

yooo

[thick stream]

how goess

[slate canopy]

Goes allright. Hoping to play some tomorrow 😄

[thick stream]

ayy nice, just got done playin a few rounds-!

[slate canopy]

Nice, how'd they go?

[thick stream]

lost the first, won the second (last one was Omaha)

[covert elbow]

Germans or US

[slate canopy]

Nice! I played some overwatch with a buddy

[thick stream]

German-

[covert elbow]

Damn you changed history!

[thick stream]

I know, is crazy 😅😬

[forest loom]

Hey guys, I have problem installing the game with Epic launcher, after finished downloading the game, it starts the verify processing, and then start downloading again.

[ionic tundra]

are racist servers... normal?

because GOllyyyy that was crazy

[hardy sphinx]

is it possible to spawn british tanks as germans in basic training?
trying to learn where to shoot the churchill

[deft shale]

It’s insane how the devs use the words “in real life” or “realistic” and then go turn Remagen into Driel. Can the bridge be brutal? Yea, but man that’s what made it fun. It’s the only map where all the cheaters couldn’t just go run around the back line and rocket your spawns nonstop. They HAD to fight face to face unless you got the airhead off. Bad decision after bad decision. Conquest will probably finish it off. Nobody asked for it, it’s not at all what Hell Let Loose is about but here we are.

Next thing ya know there is going to be body armor you can pick up with chests all over the map. You will have a hard time convincing smart players that they didn’t quite nerf the guns again or something. Getting to the point the “hit registration” issue isn’t believable anymore

[past veldt]

Was it Mikey's?

[past veldt]

It's not

[pine ember]

Whaaaaaa

[past veldt]

Mate, all HLL clans are racist?

It's not like a prerequisite to getting ratified as an official HLL community

[nova pivot]

Lol

[pine ember]

Of course all of them

Lets ignore that most clans have rules that prohibit the use of "special" names and all of them have anti racism rules

[wind cedar]

Wild

[finite berry]

No, yours does

[wind cedar]

How can you say i am perpetuating all this bigotry by stating that its wild that all the servers are all open about their bigotry

[novel geyser]

Some strange ragebait going on

[wind cedar]

Agreed, bro is streching

[novel geyser]

How many clans have you tried

[finite berry]

Oh wow, how terrible... Someone is saying a word... Just ignore them instead of making a fuss out of it which will give them more attention which is exactly what they want

That's how you perpetuate this

You give it way more attention it actually needs

[wind cedar]

Bro was talking about rules in a discord server and then u bring up Epstein and Maddie Mcann

[finite berry]

true lol

[novel geyser]

Dude just asking a question to get the whole picture
Assuming you're genuinely having an issue with this kinda stuff and not just saying things to stir the pot

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[novel geyser]

I mean its gamer clans in a ww2 game so im not entirely dismissive they would use such language and behave in that way
I dont even bother with clans myself
But im sure there are more out there that are more sensible

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584475715836051456/1458407212098785315/RDT_20260106_1431085167956635531006911.gif

It's a word some random is saying in a video game

Just ignore it instead of making a fuss out of it

[wintry thistle]

We should arrest the people that say the n word in HLL

[finite berry]

And execute them

[pine ember]

I have a job indeed

[nova pivot]

0

[pine ember]

If you want to engage in politics do that, but HLL isnt the place for it

[wintry thistle]

What else is it then

[pine ember]

Which word?

[nova pivot]

Nig

You know the rest

[pine ember]

12/10 ragebait

[pine ember]

Ahhhhhh

[nova pivot]

Why because it is about WW2? We don't even have a campaign mode to praise the US

[pine ember]

I love gangsta rap

[past veldt]

Do you only play on US servers?

[pine ember]

Hes critical

[nova pivot]

You literally don't know what to write

[pine ember]

This server is getting weirder more and more

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1433799177069924432/attachment.gif

[nova pivot]

Stop it, you're making a fool of yourself.

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/nwa-straightouttacompton-walk-strut-squad-gif-4502898

[finite berry]

It is, especially in an online gaming community where worse things are said on a regular basis

[pine ember]

Every Battlefield or even Minecraft chat is saltier than HLL

HLL isnt even political so

There is more free speech than ever

Your behavior is just not appropriate

Thats not a violation of free speech though

You agreed to the conditions when you join the server, if you ignore them the regarding messages will be removed. Its that simple. One rule is no politics

Why do you even start the topic or generalize?

https://tenor.com/view/forehead-slap-slapping-forehead-oh-my-god-gif-13308042

Then act like an adult and ignore it, switch servers and report the people that do that

Its always the others that started

Not as hilarious as you who asked me if I have a job and pulls in his friends from interpol

[nova pivot]

I never had a problem of racism or homophobia while playing the game and I have 1600 hours, honestly i don't know what you are speaking about

[pine ember]

Just enjoy the game

[pine ember]

Same, this games community is one of the chillest I ever whitnessed

[nova pivot]

There are some black sheeps from time to time but they are in literally every community

[pine ember]

It has gotten worse over the years but thats mostly due to the kids come in that think they can play the game like its COD and so on

[pine ember]

And every time I whitnessed they got banned

[nova pivot]

Okay go tell them that and stop looking stupid here

Thank you

[pine ember]

Youre exaggerating and making up a problem where there is (almost) none

You dont even know my background nor where I am from. You have no reasons to get personal or act like you are educated better than anyone here

Just enjoy the game and have fun, thats it

[nova pivot]

Jonathan let's leave it it's not worth it, if we answer we are giving him the attention he desperately seeks for

Don't make him happy

[pine ember]

Average HLL Ragebaiter

The same applies to you

And btw: Which peers?

[haughty geode]

What is going on here?

[pine ember]

Average HLL "discussion"

[haughty geode]

Most normal thing here

Best gun in the game is the G43 change my mind

[pine ember]

I agree to that

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246641790304653403/1291936993353138218/caption.gif

[haughty geode]

The Garand is good too but the G43 is a bit better imo, more rounds and far better sights, and its not that rare to get

[pine ember]

You can basically equip an entire squad with them if you want to

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-smiling-cute-pet-gif-17869715

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1356612387494690836/attachment.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1475480141886128198/attachment.gif

[pine ember]

Breakfast? Dude its 13:21. No one said we say the N-word. We dont say "ohhh no we arent racist" because thats clear. You said for yourself just speaking from own experiences shows that you are a moron. Same applies to you. This games community is one of the chillest ever. Just because you saw a few black sheeps doesnt mean that the community is like that. Youre exaggerating. Chill, play the game and have fun

Bro thinks hes the main character of a movie

[past veldt]

Avg racist doesn't know how timezones work smh

Why would I care about the superbowl

[finite berry]

People who want to police speech in online gaming are not well liked and often get mocked, just saying :D

[pine ember]

I assume hes British since he mentioned Arsenal, thats -1 h from me, so 12:24 rn

[pine ember]

Bingo, especially if its for no reason

[past veldt]

He's an arsenal fan so he is from anywhere but England

[pine ember]

No idea about Island football, I prefer German one

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179085355681595474/1433087883610427432/attachment.gif

How dare you call me a bigot 🏳️‍🌈

[pine ember]

Probably more than you

[past veldt]

My profile picture literally has the pride flag in it

[pine ember]

As I said, no idea about English football

So enjoy your breakfast

https://tenor.com/view/call-out-shout-out-ken-jeong-gif-13121363

[past veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/humpday-happybirthday-gif-22075999

[pine ember]

I like how this convo is anything but the game (which mess hall is intended for)

Whats that even?

An eggplant?

[past veldt]

Aubergine

Thank you

[pine ember]

Nah its the messhalle

Something like a canteen

[haughty geode]

Meddl loide

[wind cedar]

Correct

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-meme-anime-react-anime-reaction-arakawa-gif-8258439823509290590

[past veldt]

We should get back to the usual arguments

[pine ember]

Ok

[past veldt]

This guy needs to eat his breakfast

[pine ember]

Tiger was the best tank of WW2

The best plane was the P51

And the best gun was the AK47

[wind cedar]

Zero

[past veldt]

I'd rather have 49 good shooters on my team than 49 elite supply droppers

[wind cedar]

I prefer gustav cannon

[pine ember]

That thing is thicc

Its Gustav and its schwer

[wind cedar]

Like @maiden forum breakfast

[pine ember]

Thats why schwerer Gustav

I am morally right too

[past veldt]

Agreed

[wind cedar]

Agreed

[pine ember]

I cant post mine anymore

[wind cedar]

Anymore?

Did u lose it?

[pine ember]

Gone, reduced to atoms

Yea

[wind cedar]

Shame

[novel geyser]

How'd you lose it
It's not a set of car keys smh

[pine ember]

They cut its thats how we do it

[wind cedar]

Who’s they?

Who did this to u?

[pine ember]

The surgeon

[wind cedar]

It’s very on topic for the server

[cedar ore]

I’m guessing people aren’t very happy with the remagan updates

What’s actually different about it, other than the crossings

[finite berry]

Let's say they're divided

[cedar ore]

yeah it’s an interesting change for sure

I understand the historical accuracy, but I kinda liked the way you have to force your way across the bridge to win the game, or sneak past with an airhead

With the new crossings it’s just gonna be another Driel

[past veldt]

It's an irrelevant map, which they've put huge resources into again, only for it to still be irrelevant

[cedar ore]

With more height variation

[cedar ore]

Yeah true

[past veldt]

It simply doesn't fit the game, plays terribly in both strategy and tactics, and enforces boring gameplay choices

[cedar ore]

I’m sorry what

[past veldt]

Ignore him, he hasn't had breakfast yet

[cedar ore]

Right

[past veldt]

I'd much rather they have had the artists spend time fixing up the tactical map on existing maps as opposed to spending so much time changing an unplayed map

[cedar ore]

Well the point is to make it a more often played map

I understand why they’d do it

[past veldt]

It will for a week and then it'll be back to the usual 2 populated servers

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-giga-chad-meme-memes-gigachad-meme-gif-25211999

[cedar ore]

Yeah most likely

[novel geyser]

Gotta eat your wibbybix

[cedar ore]

Have a pint

[past veldt]

It's just the usual poor management by T17, unable to concentrate on improvements to the game but feeling like they need headline changes

[cedar ore]

Best breakfast tbh

[past veldt]

10:30am Guinness on a football day is top tier let's be real

[cedar ore]

Exactly

[finite berry]

Probably, yeah.

[cedar ore]

Early morning out with the mates at the pub, cheeky pint in hand

[finite berry]

Conquest 🤝 Remagen

[past veldt]

Btw 6 players on Remagen rn on PC

[wind cedar]

They are the worst breakfast going

[cedar ore]

That’s actually a really good point, I bet conquest will work much better with the changes made to remagan

[past veldt]

0.13% of players currently on Remagen. Well worth the dev time to increase that figure

[cedar ore]

But then again, why not do what they did with Omaha for offensive and do the same thing where the map is slightly different for that game mode

[past veldt]

Carentan is different on offensive as well iirc

[cedar ore]

so have the different crossings for conquest, but use the older map layout for offensive and the other one I forgot the name of

[cedar ore]

Exactly

[finite berry]

I mean, at least they're trying to fix it

[past veldt]

Hill 400 is surely due a rework

I don't think that has been touched since release

0 players on it currently

[onyx heron]

solmensk needs a re work

[finite berry]

I think it's a bit unfair to say "T17 doesnt care about fixing the game!!!" only to then go "why are they wasting dev time on that, it's unimportant" when they actually try to fix stuff

[onyx heron]

stalingrad was left to burn

[past veldt]

It's just poorly prioritised

We've got broken tac maps across the game but they've spent time changing the Remagen one due to a rework no one asked for

[onyx heron]

ramagen is lowkey a boring map

[past veldt]

People are desperately wanting some QOL changes but instead we've got Remagen reworks

[onyx heron]

qol ?

[finite berry]

Quality of Life

[onyx heron]

i understand but in what regards of that needed to be fixed?

[past veldt]

So for the artists, a lot of the tac maps have misplaced, missing, or fake buildings

These confuse a lot of new and experienced commanders

Carentan tacmap is offset by 15m

There's loads of issues with clipping across all maps which the map designers could fix

Lots of completely wonky hitboxes which could be fixed

[onyx heron]

i can agree to this

[past veldt]

But instead they've decided to spend time on reworking a map that is barely played

[onyx heron]

shoulda added the pacific

[past veldt]

.counter

[onyx heron]

dont get me started on the african maps

[past veldt]

Honestly just get what we have into a good state so that they have evidence for Vietnam that they're good at making games

[onyx heron]

ima bit nervous to see how they are playing vietnam out

it took them almost 4 years to fix tanks

let alone helicopters now and boats

[wind cedar]

Are the Vietcong traps going to be in the game does anyone know

[past veldt]

Everything we know is on the steam store

[vale garnet]

Vietnam will be terrible

[thick stream]

How'd you find this gif of me

[past veldt]

You should see a doctor about that

[thick stream]

Yeh, you right 😞🤌

[livid saffron]

You're guys thought on Remagen added engineered bridges?

[arctic crypt]

Bro everyone is still muted for me in literally all of my games

What is going on 😭

[slate canopy]

Odd question, are you in the UK?

[arctic crypt]

Yes I am

Uh oh does that make a difference 😭

[slate canopy]

One second, lemme get a link

[arctic crypt]

Alr thanks

[slate canopy]

I saw this post on reddit that says there was an age verification piece to access voice chat for XBOX. #console-general-chat message

Sooo that MAY be why?

[pearl ledge]

ruined the best map in the game. Only peole who hate renagen are the one who suck at it

[arctic crypt]

Ahhh I see!

Mine is weird, sometimes it has some unmuted people

I’ll give it a go later on and see what happens

[silk igloo]

kids today cant even enjoy a good old game lobby without getting screwed over by the nanny state, grim

[soft crow]

I see they are messing with artillery again. Any idea what the changes are again? They already nerfed it into the ground and virtually removed it from the game. (Miss me with the build it crap. Anyone whose played it knows you get screwed) - Queue all the mortar bros

[analog apex]

W T F did they do again

😩

and they are changing the landscape/shore just for the godDarn airheads to work, which shouldn't exist in the 1st place?!

and of course, the railroad tunnel untouched, unaccessible... right?

what an overhaul, like... 🤬

[soft crow]

Remagen = Driel now lol

[analog apex]

instead of making the river so narrow at one spot and of map asset pontoon bridges, there should have been some pontoon bridge pre-made blueprints instead

could have worked the same as the pre-made HQ artillery blueprints

just buildable by any team, and starting enveloping out from the side they are hammering on

the devs seem to choose the cheapest possible solution always

like I am not even sure if I can call this a "map overhaul" at all

were some other/inland areas touched at all btw.?

I am yet to load in and see 1st hand, but judging by the pictures I have seen so far, I am unevitably disappointed already

[novel geyser]

yknow squad 44 has buildable pontoon bridges

[keen glen]

squad 44 my beloved poop

[short zealot]

If they add pontoons they need to explode the Bridge ! That’s the real history.

[unreal peak]

hello i just got hell let loose and was wondering if i should download the ptb or the base game

[short zealot]

All others versions have only some Camo skins

Of u have the money take Ultimate for a few skins , other skins u can purchase separate

I got some skins for 1€ in sale

[fervent dagger]

Base game

[short zealot]

Support the Industry 😀😁

[unreal peak]

what does that mean

[short zealot]

The Game industry need money to develop other Games !

[keen glen]

they should ask netenyahu for money

[soft crow]

This game is so cooked. We are in the final days of it. I know nobody wants to believes that but

[keen glen]

why u got ai pfp

are you ai?

[nova pivot]

Yes

[keen glen]

oh

[soft crow]

Save your money

[unreal peak]

what

[nova pivot]

The base game, wtf is the ptb?

[unreal peak]

idk when i clicked instal conent after i bought the game it started installing the ptb instead of the base game

[nova pivot]

Install the base game

[soft crow]

Ah darn. I was just saying don’t spend a penny on the game. They are killing it. It’s nice to see a new player but if you have any anticipation of it being a “realistic” WW2 game those days are long gone. This is now COD skinned as WW2. I mean heck half the time you gotta shoot guys twice with rifles now and 5-6 bullets with SMGs

[cyan saddle]

Most sane HLL player right there

[nova pivot]

Nah the game can be fun, you just need to play it properly

I recommend watching some tutorials and joining a comp team

[keen glen]

😂

"play properly""

sybau

[nova pivot]

Yeah the biggest problem of this game are the players

Half of the time they have no idea of what they are doing

[keen glen]

its ok

[nova pivot]

Instead of actually learning they prefer to say that it is a really hard and complicated military milsim

[keen glen]

they provide fire power

imo solo tanking is the new meta

3 solo tanks are better than a single 3crew tank

[nova pivot]

It depends for sniping yes you can do some damage, but for using it against other tanks, which is a must, and assaulting points is much worse

[finite berry]

Only pre-placed, tho

[soft crow]

Wht happens if you play comp and it still sucks, guys are still leaving, and you still have to shoot guys multiple times?

[limpid marten]

But 3 3crew tanks ar ebettern than 3 solo tanks

"ebettern"

better

[nova pivot]

The game has that problem yes but is not that common at least for me, in my opinion the biggest problem is the constant lag and stuttering in half of the maps

[novel geyser]

ptb is the public testing branch
fsr it defaults to download that instead of the actual game

it was used for testing updates before they go live

[soft crow]

Yup. Real Remagen is a great map. Smolensk looks like a great map. Etc but they never get played. Literally unplayable. They are too worried about adding dumb crap nobody wants and ruining key roles than they are making sure the new maps are playable.

I mean for god sakes conquest?! Of ALL things?! That’s the literal last thing we want. You can’t even get berries to defend 1 point

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/grr-tantrum-gif-11784319488424854142

[analog apex]

so, here's the question... how to playtest the Remangen if EXPLORE mode is offline in the PTB and none of the PTB servers there have Remagen in play rn

is this what I spent the time to download the PTB branch for?

a joke

[cosmic pilot]

It's a joke

[analog apex]

heh, we posted that same sentence both at a time 😄

[cosmic pilot]

I was upset about it during the conquest play test

This is what you get when you "listen to the community" instead of having a spine

[analog apex]

what to do now? I guess I can waste even more time reverting back to the normal branch
the devs must have gone insane

[soft crow]

Just yet another example of T17s incompetency. Saw someone from Black Matter say if they knew they’d butcher the game like this they woulda never sold it

[cosmic pilot]

You have stupid opinions

[analog apex]

rly? 😄
I would love to see that tbh xD
but I would tend to believe, the present HLL state considering

[soft crow]

Sorry, been around the game since day 1. The first thing t17 did was increase sprinting speed lol. Changed so much

[analog apex]

it's pure butchering while incompetence

[keen glen]

🫥

[cosmic pilot]

Please, say less

[keen glen]

link ur steam

[soft crow]

Some YouTube video comment somewhere. Can’t verify if he actually worked for them but he sounded like he did based on some technical things he said

[soft crow]

On PS5

[analog apex]

Jambax maybe heh

[keen glen]

link ur ps

[cosmic pilot]

T17 is only giving you guys what you asked for

[keen glen]

who the hell is T17

[soft crow]

Idk how to do that I’m still figuring out discord. I downloaded it a few days ago because I wanted to try fighting for the game

[cosmic pilot]

The games publisher

[soft crow]

No they are giving us what the loud few want

[covert elbow]

Dude Blackmatter got 60 million. Even if I knew my game was going to go in the dirt I would have taken that money

[keen glen]

i dont remember anyone asking for new game mode

[covert elbow]

It was asked many a time

[keen glen]

who asked

literally no one

[cosmic pilot]

The people who were smart enough to ask

[soft crow]

I am 53 years old and am old school. If I had a product I truly cared about I would not sell it. $60 million was a lot but they could have made more imo. The bare bones of this game was there it just needed the advertisement

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest has also been on the roadmap since bm

I ask you to remember how much stuff was promised that was not delivered

[keen glen]

😂😂😂

[covert elbow]

And it got its advertisement but as a developer I would have rather taken the 60m and made a new game I’m excited about just like BM did

[keen glen]

damp grandpa

[covert elbow]

It’s very obvious in HLL’s timeline that the team simply lost its passion as updates became slower, communication just stopped, and new content becaus worse and worse

[soft crow]

If they wanted to do a conquest type mode and keep following the unauthentic path they are taking they should have followed Arma Reforger path.

They would need to create a new map, but honestly at this point, a “fake” map set in France somewhere with greenery like Omaha, Utah, Carentan, etc and increased the player count, no ticket system, and created like 30 points where you have to capture certain purple points to win I think it would be successful.

Imagine being able to LARP and build bases for hours on HLL. Would be fun lol.

[analog apex]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[soft crow]

Almost! First grandchild should be here in June!!

[covert elbow]

Conquest just isn’t going to work unless they add map made garrisons or vehicles onto the points first

People need to spawn in and move quick so give the players what’s needed

[analog apex]

Imagine CONQUEST on Remangen 😄

a sh??show

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest is fine as is
Not amazing but fine

[soft crow]

Oh I know they would need to add more vehicles and stuff but I think that would work but I don’t see a battlefield game mode working. It’s not what we want

[covert elbow]

Oh jeebus

[covert elbow]

Sure but if it’s added then it’s going to end up like skirmish

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on hedgerow maps

[analog apex]

They seriously enlarged the Remagen shores for the airheads just because they are locked in the squareShaped sectors made in a grid.

[covert elbow]

Yes. Including conquest. It’s not what we want in HLL

[keen glen]

airhead needs rework

[covert elbow]

It’s simply not what we play HLL for

[covert elbow]

*removal

[analog apex]

airheads need removal

[keen glen]

we should be able to use literal parachute

[analog apex]

too small maps

[keen glen]

nah

[analog apex]

and the areas outside the playable area, are without any assets/details

[covert elbow]

I just wanted them to shorten the width of the map so we can get better grid squares smh

[keen glen]

Military parachutes already have very low maneuverability

[soft crow]

When new players come around and someone drops an airhead and they get confused I say “enemy dropped airborne troops behind us” and they always understand then

[covert elbow]

Could be nice for offensive on maps with para drops

But that’s not going to happen

[soft crow]

Imagine airheads actually using parachutes. Get farmed by an MG floating down LOL

[analog apex]

this Remagen "overhaul" was just a waste of dev time

[keen glen]

thats what happened irl

[covert elbow]

It’s a “refresh” but yea, waste of time

[keen glen]

but its ok

[analog apex]

none of what they did will make any real difference

and no logic to any of it

[covert elbow]

The meat grind was the entire damn point of the map. I really wish they’d do an experimental session with the old map and the middle point as a bridge and try that out first

[keen glen]

fun = no logic , in your case

[covert elbow]

Like push it into the next live update as it wouldn’t change much of the map

[analog apex]

and hell... can't even get to test it - despite downloaded the PTB, there are 3 servers, none of them had Remagen

at least when I checked today some time ago

and why the heck is EXPLORE disabled if a map is to be explored

I was OK with offline EXPLORE in CONQUEST gamemode as a mapTest was not the goal, but Remagen is

[soft crow]

Ah welp. You know T17 would never like that. Something realistic? No shot

[finite berry]

I genuinely don't see the issue. If that truly is what the community does not want, it won't get played. 🤷‍♂️ It's not like something's taken away from the game

[covert elbow]

Because it’s yet another waste of time and effort when the game needs a lot more in other areas

[analog apex]

let's give it another try and see if I can load it to see the map now...

[covert elbow]

It’s the fact this thing exists that’s the issue

[finite berry]

I get that, but do we even know how much time went into actually making Conquest? Did it actually take huge development resources and time? And could those dev resources actually have been used to fix other stuff? Like, just an example, a coder working on Conquest can't fix map design issues 😄

[soft crow]

That’s the problem. They keep adding stuff nobody wants that doesn’t get played which is why the player base is dying lol.

[finite berry]

The playerbase isn't dying

[covert elbow]

Fair. It’s true we don’t know how much time and effort was put into conquest but that doesn’t take away that we could have seen something better in its place

[analog apex]

ofc. not...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1479901147442577608/Screenshot_2026-03-07_185706.jpg?ex=69adb8d8&is=69ac6758&hm=67c657f982bf662b20dd0c763ba6d5580357e5d99da37447a6f5955bfbf80d5f&=&format=webp&width=3768&height=1575

[finite berry]

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Conquest is a good addition or that it will get played a lot 😄 All I'm saying is that it's not as bad as some people claim it to be

[covert elbow]

Player numbers have been dropping for years now

[finite berry]

Naturally, you're right

[finite berry]

Decline, yes, but it's not dying

[soft crow]

lol yes. Yes it is. Especially on console. We used to have 10-15 servers seeded that ran all day and night. Now we are lucky to have 10 servers that last until 11pm ET

[covert elbow]

No it still has in both ways

[finite berry]

That's pretty good, tho?

[covert elbow]

HLL hasn’t been played “properly” for years

[finite berry]

Like, you have ten full servers to choose from, that's plenty

And nowhere close to "dying" 😄

[keen glen]

They periodically give away the game for free

[finite berry]

Please elaborate?

[keen glen]

This creates an illusion

[covert elbow]

What used to be a thought out game with communication and coordination is now chickens running around with its head cut off because we had so much turnover of players rhat veterans left and were replaced with people who just want to shoot and run to the point

Like there’s a reason people who say the game is a “walking simulator” is an obvious flag for their experience level

[cosmic pilot]

The amount of psychosis is infuriating

[soft crow]

Less than 1000 concurrent players? No I don’t think so. There are not many new players showing up. Had a game the other day a new player showed up, didn’t like American bazookas penetrated German armor from the front and side (totally fair to think is dumb) and he literally said “oh this isn’t authentic this is cod. This sucks.” Then left.

Most people come to this game because they heard it was an authentic WW2 game. When their first impressions are that it is far from that, they leave.

[finite berry]

Honestly, for a game like this, 1,000 concurrent players on console is pretty good

[covert elbow]

Yep. It got marketed super hard as one thing but it’s completely different to what was talked about and shown

[finite berry]

HLL's marketing is genius, actually

[covert elbow]

Literally gaslite its community

[finite berry]

So?

If they enjoy it and T17 makes stonks, where is the problem?

[cosmic pilot]

This is unhinged

[analog apex]

if SQ44 had such marketing, it could have been fully elsewhere with its playerCounts

[keen glen]

😂

[covert elbow]

Because the game that we had once was lost along the way

[finite berry]

Oh yes. Our marketing sucks as s

[keen glen]

sq44 is trashhhh

[cosmic pilot]

No

[keen glen]

sam is hired by squad44

advertising in this chat

[analog apex]

I didn't advertise anything...

[covert elbow]

It’s the… I don’t know what to call it but it’s when a community is something but get completely replaced by new people into the community and turn the tables asking “why would you want the thing you had before”

[finite berry]

They marketed it as the super immersive, realistic, hardcore tactical shooter. And most people playing it care/know so little about WW2 that it actually feels super immersive, realistic and like a hardcore tactical shooter. Although it isn't.

[keen glen]

You advertise Squad44 every hour

[slate canopy]

Nah, that's Elise with his SQ44 at the end of his name

[cosmic pilot]

Keep current politics out of this

[analog apex]

rly? show me

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[slate canopy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jason-clarke-bHTDTL1pmlp1PtIVvt

[finite berry]

It's kinda funny because I'm also the guy who defends HLL from time to time, claiming it's not dying

[slate canopy]

You do lol

Even help folks and you don't even have the game

[finite berry]

:)

[slate canopy]

He loves the community not the game?

[finite berry]

I mean, yeah, kind of. Question just is whether it wouldn't be sound to just move on at some point?

[soft crow]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[finite berry]

I mean, I like the community, that's one of the reasons why I'm here, so yeah lol

[covert elbow]

And that’s just supposed to justify it? The complete decline in the IQ of the playerbase? The general disintegration of Historical Accuracy? The constant and irreparable turnover of the playerbase on a seemingly monthly basis because it was free on Gamepass and goes on sale every other week?

[thin lotus]

more time in the HLL discord because it isn't yet Sq44's 20-minute 'peak' time window whereby its 10 players are all on at the same time
LMAOOOO

🤣

[covert elbow]

Like this game could have been so much more but it has become more and more casual friendly so we get more players and more sales

Like this isn’t a controversial take. Just look at the dev philosophy

[slate canopy]

I mean, most games should be casual friendly... not everything has to be competitive 😬

[soft crow]

The fact is was on gamepass that long for so long and not many bought the game when it left should tell you everything you need to know about how the game is perceived in it’s current state

[finite berry]

No? Never said that justifies it; I'm merely saying that they succeeded with their approach and I respect them for it. Like, it's genuinely remarkable they pulled that off

[finite berry]

It was a pathway to success.

Otherwise, HLL might sit at player numbers Squad 44 is at. Perhaps a bit higher because it's on console and Epic Games too, but you get what I mean.

[analog apex]

it still may be ... we will see what happens after HLL:V release

[covert elbow]

You’re missing my point. The game should still allow for casual players to dip their toes into the water to let them see how they like the game but they ended up taking over the entire pool so now people who want to get a more authentic and realistic shooter (something that was advertised for years) now dip their toes into the water only to find it the opposite of what they want

[cosmic pilot]

HLL
:V

[covert elbow]

Yep

[finite berry]

Playercount will drop, but it's unclear how much it will drop and how long that drop will last

[analog apex]

yep, HLL got far from what I wanted and what it used to be promised as

everything casual where possible

[covert elbow]

As soon as the game went to a somewhat big company the aim of the game became “how do we make money” instead of “how do we make a better game”

[cosmic pilot]

The playerbase is hopelessly addicted to warfare
So it won't dip for long

[finite berry]

Genuine question, Ninja, and feel free to be detailed because I really want to understand your approach here:

If you had full dev control of HLL and let's say funds were no issue, what would you do with HLL?

[slate canopy]

Uh oh, that's a dangerous question. Give him 5 minutes.

[finite berry]

Can you paraphrase what Warfare is about? I know it's one of the gamemodes, but that's it

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-typing-essay-school-smart-gif-4851885

[cosmic pilot]

If HLL:V has anything about it's game mode rules that's different than warfare the playerbase won't move over

[finite berry]

live Ninja reaction 😄

[finite berry]

(weapon skins)

[cosmic pilot]

It's about both teams trying to sneak behind each other without properly defending themselves

[soft crow]

“I’m not sure why the game is dying. We removed artillery. Made it so guys have to be shot twice for the most part. Tanks are now tin cans. Rocketeers now have 3 rockets. Commander now has the ability to shoot artillery. We inaccurately added SPAs. Half the maps can’t be played. I don’t get it.”

[thin lotus]

dont give the devs any reason to not evolve

they will do as little more than they absolutely need to

[cosmic pilot]

The dilemma of warfare is the maps are too big relative to the players numbers to attack and defend at the same time.

[covert elbow]

I… would immediately help the infantry experience by adding in damage conditions like in my medic suggestion, overhaul the games weapons, create better movement and interactions with the environment, etc

Add in mortars

Overhaul the squad system to allow more squads with unique tasks

Add in sub factions and my multi-faction map idea

And that’s just off the top of my head for infantry

[slate canopy]

Warfare is 5 points, out of a possible 15, one of 3 points at random in 5 sectors. You start with a neutral mid point, and two locked sides on each side. Whoever gets midpoint gets the majority lead. All points are locked except your current capture and the enemies current capture. Win is 3-2, 4-1, or 5-0(immediate end) in a 1 .5 hour time frame.

[finite berry]

The game is not dying. Like, probably not HLLV will be able to "kill" it. And artillery hasn't been removed, but it would be good if it had been removed.

[analog apex]

• I would overhaul the progression to use the LPs (loadout points) to be able to make one's custom loadout, within at least reliavively realistic cosntraints ofc.
• I would overhaul the nodes so they would have a purpose on the frontline
• I would overhaul the sector system and spawnpoint placement logic
• I would not limit each map to 15 sectors of the same sizes and shapes
• I would make dying and ammo to matter using the local tickets that would be selfReplinishing every x minutes and would be influenced by various stuff
• I would remove the HQ arty and introduce the mortars
• I would allow adminBuilding/adminSpawning and despawning for vehicles and spawnpoints or builable structures and overall much more power to admins (power over the vehicle rosters, allowed loadouts, adjust match timer on the fly etc. etc.)
• seeding mode with preBuilt garries and restricted areas
• interactive tutorial scenarios, some of them mandatory before allowing to go online
• subfactions
• physical objectives in addition to the capping of the current circles
• new squad types: MG squad, Engineer squad, AT squad, Mortar squad
  and much much more

[covert elbow]

I’d also want to start a team on full refreshes for the maps in game to make them as historically accurate as possible with new unique assets for each map to mimic and show the real life counter parts

[past vortex]

not with experienced sls and a good commander
but when yolo then yes

[covert elbow]

There is also the MASSIVE amount of technical bugs and issues that needs to be fixed asap

[finite berry]

Thanks. And what about the casualisation? What would you do about it?

[soft crow]

Man you are cute.

Have you tried shooting artillery since the update? The gun gets dismantled before you even hit the killed in action screen. Tanks come by and blow it up. Rockets hang out at HQ all the time now.

[past vortex]

they dont even consider that at all

[cosmic pilot]

I am correct.
The way you capture a strong point is by tricking the enemy team into committing too much to either the attack or defence

[soft crow]

My current favorite is light tanks and how you get spun around by thin air

[finite berry]

Okay, still don't really grasp it, but I have a better idea than before, thanks!

[slate canopy]

I can give you a picture example if you give me a minute?

[past vortex]

yea
and the winning move is to eep the balance and commit in the right moment

[finite berry]

Know too little about HLL to understand the first four points, but the rest I understand 👍

[finite berry]

Subfactions really could do a lot with this game

[cosmic pilot]

Except that in public matches no one knows how to actually play the game

[covert elbow]

Just get rid of it and have a full vision of authenticity and realism to a fun degree, then have the shoe on the other foot where casuals can try the game, interact with veterans who play the game often and then see if this is the game for them or not, just like in HLL’s early days

[past vortex]

its awesome
best update ever
just sstrange they had to make the spa models to achieve the erty nerf

[slate canopy]

I'll DM to not slam a bunch of pics in?

[past vortex]

often yea
where i play its a lot better (still public)

[covert elbow]

I mean the mods already do so might as well share with the class

[slate canopy]

to explain Warfare? NAH

[finite berry]

Like some people have already pointed out, I haven't fired artillery at all because I don't play HLL. But from my understanding of HLL (which is okayish, I guess?), I don't see the point of having stationary artillery because it creates a boring gameplay loop, forces the recon squad to spawn camp and also is historically inaccurate because artillery is way too close to the objective.

The solution would be to scrap playable artillery completely and make it a commander call-in while adding mortars instead that can freely get placed on the map. Perhaps even a portable mortar (like the German 50 mm Granatwerfer 36).

[covert elbow]

It is the best and healthiest option for the game

It seems like player only want artillery over mortars for the coolness factor

[finite berry]

yeah, because big gun go boom and because they can rack up kills

[slate canopy]

chat sent

[keen glen]

spg needs rework

spa i mean

not spg

[covert elbow]

It needs removal until they get actual SPA models

[keen glen]

@slate canopy can i speak with a developer

[covert elbow]

Their open top is to unbalanced argument is awful

[slate canopy]

Even if you could, I don't even k now how to put you in contact with one

[soft crow]

People will go from crying about artillery to mortars. HQ should be a safe zone. Artillery isn’t supposed to be counterable. 3 guns nonstop with unlimited ammo, overkill. But the main argument is distance and map size but you can’t have a WW2 game without artillery because it literally shaped the war. 60% of casualties were artillery. Don’t like it, don’t play a WW2 game idk what to tell you

[covert elbow]

They just didn’t want to make the animations

[keen glen]

bruh

[covert elbow]

Oh my god I thought I recognized you!

[keen glen]

Didn't the developers choose the moderators?

[covert elbow]

Man I forgot all about that terrible opinion

[slate canopy]

lol no

[keen glen]

did big ben?

[finite berry]

Wait, why lol

[slate canopy]

👀 Snipin

[covert elbow]

The logic guy

His main account opened up an artillery suggestion and it was awful

As you can see by his message

[slate canopy]

It's a secret 🤫 Although Ben can give his input on who can and cannot be. New mods are suggested by or picked by current mods.

[finite berry]

Artillery isn't supposed to be counterable? Lovely, make it an off-map asset that can get called in by the commander. Easy peasy, it can't get countered

[covert elbow]

“Buh-buh-buh my manned guns!!!!!!!!!”

His arguement doesn’t make sense. Don’t even bother with him

[past vortex]

all the fun of pressing f for over an hour
cant tae that away

[soft crow]

Not sure what you mean but there are a lot of artillery fans.

[covert elbow]

He constantly trips over his own feet with it

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704826714206765116/1477675441778327836/Brian_well_well_well.mp4?ex=69ad88ff&is=69ac377f&hm=6fcdeecad2269b8da0d806f7f70a28de0c838a8c297c611fda9299c113a9df1d&

[finite berry]

And they are all wrong in that regard lol

[soft crow]

Bit more to it than that if you know how to shoot it. People think you just hit garrisons

[finite berry]

Like, it's just poor gameplay loop

[covert elbow]

That

It’s just that

And by making artillery COMPLETELY uncounterable by having it in a locked HQ (Altough I do agree on making the HQ’s safe zones) is just stupid. Flat out and no better way to put it

I don’t care if you can have different firing orders and ways to interact with the battlefield. You can still do the same with mortars

Your argument was trashed for days man. Don’t try it again

[keen glen]

🫰

[soft crow]

I still don’t know what you are talking about

[analog apex]

I think we could revive our quarrel over the HQ arty, but at the end of the day the devs don't care and will choose their own way instead, some that will have nothing to do with what was feedbacked and then they will say "we are listening to your feedback and did this" 😄
And the only thing we get is our time wasted on a pointless quarrel xD

[covert elbow]

They have this stuff planned out a year in advance, that’s why

Kinda hard to give feedback when the plans are already set in stone

God forbid they just get rid of months of work SPA’s and artillery

[soft crow]

But if the response to changes isn’t great then you should not continue the same path, even if you have plans. Bad business model not to adapt

[analog apex]

yeah, all the stuff is already set in stone sadly

[covert elbow]

Yea. It is

[orchid dawn]

where do i send ingame pictures ?

[slate canopy]

For what reason?

[orchid dawn]

found a leak in the remagen beta

[analog apex]

even here, but it's possible to do only via links, not as attachments

[covert elbow]

A “leak”?

[analog apex]

the river is leaking, that's why it's probably so shallow now 😄 ... (or is it?)

[soft crow]

What do you mean

[orchid dawn]

well i dont know if it was in the dev brief but i was able to build arty guns anywhere expet for the hq

[covert elbow]

Good seeing how they lowered the waterline is so cursed to me

…

What

[analog apex]

so they really did it too? darn

[covert elbow]

I’m

Im actually going insane

JUST MAKE ****ING MORTARS OH MY GOD

[analog apex]

huh? 😵‍💫

[covert elbow]

ARE THEY THIS GOD DAMN LAZY

[ionic tundra]

I dont remember but like NOBODY was safe from these "ultra white nationalists" as they called themselves

[soft crow]

They probably made it so you can walk across the whole map just like Driel but the bridges are “faster”

[covert elbow]

CAN THEY FIND NO ONE TO MAKE NEW ANIMATIONS

[ionic tundra]

Some guy named "Texas..." somethin somethin

[slate canopy]

I mean, it's an open beta... people can go try themselves.

[analog apex]

or fix the broken animation of SMGs/automatics while sprinting for that matter

[finite berry]

lol, had to chuckle

[orchid dawn]

sent you a picture about what im talking about

[finite berry]

There's probably a leak in the ground of the map 😄 and all the water is dripping down there xD

[covert elbow]

No it’s just floating magically like every other map

[analog apex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1479908804383604736/1479910050058342490/image.png?ex=69adc123&is=69ac6fa3&hm=f027c08061dd07b4cfe1e1f338a076e3cf06d44be64fbb41e26f770199870ff7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2702&height=1824

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1479908804383604736/1479910050817376317/image.png?ex=69adc123&is=69ac6fa3&hm=05ce70f5c3377014ae21e6d0601606e3de360601fd5d55c1acb8645ec77000f7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1140&height=1449

dane's pictures @orchid dawn

[keen glen]

is this new feature?

[orchid dawn]

also have picture of me firing arty on the bridge

[covert elbow]

I hate

I hate them

I HATE this dev team

[finite berry]

Admittedly, that artillery gun in the middle of the forest looks sexy af

[analog apex]

welcome to the club...
like wtf

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-peach-cat-mochi-mochi-peach-cat-gif-gomi-gif-9937746879134465288

[soft crow]

Are you serious? Artillery is the home base for divisions of men. Always in heavily fortified areas. This is just mortars mocking the king.

[analog apex]

i am switching to the dev branch just to test this out as this new arty building will probably work the same on all maps, not just on Remagen

[finite berry]

Logic, watch it or Ninja is gonna have an actual breakdown xD

[soft crow]

That gun would never work like that. It takes hours to dig the trench to keep the gun based

[finite berry]

Unironically feel free to stream it, I'm curious to see it

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-uma-musume-special-week-gold-ship-golshi-gif-579859626296860641

You infuriate me

[analog apex]

ok

[finite berry]

yippee

[soft crow]

There is a difference between mortars and artillery. In a logistical standpoint and firing standpoint. At this point they made artillery mortars. Not at all what anyone wants. It’s a literal slap in the face to both parties for what they were asking for

[analog apex]

downloading the branch is taking time... 😬

[finite berry]

Who cares because from a gameplay perspective, they'll literally be the same

Large calibre rounds raining down from the sky

With the only difference that mortars being that close to the frontline and getting manned by players would actually make SENSE

[covert elbow]

No. You cannot use this argument man

[analog apex]

mortars could be built also in the circles and be pretty protected by friendly circle defenders and cover like trenches

[covert elbow]

How in the HELL do you not realize how you contradict yourself at EVERY turn

[soft crow]

I do not see how they can do that. The artillery guns will be able to reach enemy HQs at all times

[slate canopy]

Who will get there first? You or me?

[analog apex]

I will be streaming in https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1327771279016853627

[novel geyser]

are we fr they making mortars buildible across the HQ sector 😐

[nova pivot]

That is mean

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gold-ship-gold-ship-golshi-gold-ship-uma-musume-goku-prowler-gif-877742140786639460

[worthy charm]

Horse?

Confirmed?

[nova pivot]

Why do you know what umamusume is?

[keen glen]

@worthy charm can you check your direct messages box

[nova pivot]

Feet pics?

[keen glen]

🤢

[novel geyser]

Hand pics?

[nova pivot]

Cat pics?

[round wadi]

Hey.....so um....I'm a video editor if anyone wants to know

[keen glen]

👍

[real parrot]

Why so many messages

[finite berry]

Shh, join VC and come laugh at the arty changes :D

[real parrot]

Can't do

[finite berry]

:(

[real parrot]

I must build Spaceships

[covert elbow]

Wow

So you can build arty guns anywhere now

And you can even shell the enemy HQ

[slate canopy]

EXCEPT enemy territory

We did have that stipulation. (In Beta)

[finite berry]

I genuinely don't see why they wouldn't add mortars

[analog apex]

So...

• we are now able to build 1 arty gun anywhere in the bluezones and neutral zone
• new arty gun removes the old one
• we are able to reach and spawnkill enemy HQ as well as turn the arty gun around and fire at our own HQ
• dismantling the gun seems to take visibly longer (but tested only dismantling of our own gun and not as an enemy yet)

[finite berry]

Like, this literally is what mortars would be like

But with the difference that you'll have big as s 150 mm artillery guns sitting in the middle of a field :D

[covert elbow]

Oh yea, the guns cannnot be placed in enemy territory

[slate canopy]

To the #1479100453147906078

[covert elbow]

Limited range of 600-800m, have to resupply manually, and block them from firing into the enemy HQ

[finite berry]

@novel geyser Have you seen this already :D

[covert elbow]

Like we are already getting mortars in Vietnam c’mon man

[novel geyser]

I havent

[finite berry]

^^

[slate canopy]

Also we should have tried to do as far into the water lol

[analog apex]

😄

true!

and what if... under water for the US

[slate canopy]

👀 Could be interesting lol

[finite berry]

Just thought of you because I saw your "impressive and very nice" artillery rework suggestion

[novel geyser]

good lord man

[silk igloo]

wait what is this

[finite berry]

On the experimental branch

[silk igloo]

am i hallucinating

[covert elbow]

Nope