mess-hall

[upbeat depot]

I kissed the wall

[blazing frost]

classic

[hallow ravine]

elite ball knowledge required

[slate canopy]

btw, I see "Sweats and Synners" is Syndicate right? I can give you a link to their discord if you want it.

[vestal nimbus]

and the wall won

[hazy owl]

Does anyone actually understand the logic behind Artillery Strike placement?

[novel geyser]

wdym

[hazy owl]

It feels there are inconsistencies in valid placement. Sometimes it feels like the placement is invalid one time and when removed and moved by a pixel it's all green and good to go. And it's not just the overlapping but sometimes it does not work around strong points and other areas.

And I bet there is no mention of its usage in the field manual just like there is nothing mentioned about SPAs. I guess this will never be looked at again once released 😄

[novel geyser]

dunno, you mean the commander one? I've never used it.

[hazy owl]

neither the devs 😄

[cosmic pilot]

You cannot place strikes too close to each other

That's rte only placement rule

[novel geyser]

thats weird

feel like arty should just be one big circle really

there is atleast a lot of salvos and they dont all hit at once like I seem to remember they did when first added

a painfully long cooldown tho

[analog apex]

just remove the HQ arty, (non)SPAs as well and make the CMD arty cooldown shorter :/

and ofc... the mortars

[novel geyser]

yeap

would the explosions possibly be bigger for the arty compared to the real thing

not half as impressive as rs2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JB_PfTMK3o

[gentle lintel]

you mentioned it 🙌 🙌 🙌
the sacred words 🙌 🙌 🙌

https://tenor.com/view/amazed-little-green-men-toy-story-awe-struck-disney-gif-15914622405798122990

[novel geyser]

I gotta glaze it every once in a while

Man precision strike cooldown is hella long too

20 minutes for something that probably misses its target more often than not
unless its a garry I guess

[hazy owl]

they know people kept asking for mortars for years so they will only include them in HLL:V to create incentive to buy it 😄

[finite berry]

Or a mortar DLC

[novel geyser]

german mortar team cosmetic DLC but no mortars

[analog apex]

if it's going to be only in HLL:V, they can keep it, no thx

[cosmic pilot]

We have the "weather system" artillery should cause a local "weather event" that kicks up a lot of dust

[heady hornet]

I mean, sometimes it even hits but doesnt kill

[novel geyser]

I always thought north africa maps should have stuff like that
Tanks leaving dust clouds when moving and firing to give some cover for infantry
really incentivise using tanks on those maps more
Same could go for artillery and stuff

would be a frame rate killer tho lol

[cosmic pilot]

The cmd arty isn't useful for killing anything.
Strategically I has value ingame to either pin troops or "deny" access or just cause visual noise to mask vehicular movement

[cosmic pilot]

No

[novel geyser]

no

[cosmic pilot]

It doesn't have to be

You just have to be smart how you batch your data

As well as smart about capping entities

Dust from tanks moving and firing us well within the doable range because you only have a handful of entities to do it for

[novel geyser]

optimisation? in HLL?
best we get is a gorrilion polygon wooden barrel

[cosmic pilot]

In the abstract

[novel geyser]

people struggle with sandstorms beefing performance dont they?

shame there is no smoke strike for commander though that would be very useful

if WP functioned like WP that would also be fun

[nova pivot]

Console struggles with the firing range

[dim lotus]

May i ask how to find antifascist players to play hell let loose with here?

[novel geyser]

lmao

[nova pivot]

Why are you so obsessed with it? Just play the game and leave politics aside

[finite berry]

Be happy if you find someone that talks at all

[novel geyser]

any none german themed clans would probably do lol

[nova pivot]

Imagine if it was the other way around "where can I find fascists friends to play hell let loose here?

[dim lotus]

True, I agree. I am German and usually play international /English servers for exactly that reason

[finite berry]

Exactly lol

[finite berry]

Why am I not surprised

[pine ember]

Its simple, leave politics aside and have a good time, its even in the server rules

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-shrek-hat-tinfoil-hat-tinfoil-gif-3875013234316655688

[pine ember]

If theres someone that bothers, report them and they will be banned from the servers, and leave the squad

[novel geyser]

I like to think most of the weird neo nazis that play this game are few and far between, its a ww2 game so they will show up eventually.
But really yeah just play the game and not worry too much about people being idiots

[finite berry]

Most people just want to play the game, have decent team mates and have fun

[thin scarab]

From my Experience on Console there Are some US Clans that Love roleplaying the Germans. Just saying

[pine ember]

I play this game for almost 6 years and I can count on one hand how many times I whitnessed a Na*i. I met more in Minecraft than here

[finite berry]

They play games because they want to escape from political bullsh it

Like, what do you want to do? Perform some ideological screening prior to playing with peeps?

[novel geyser]

any time I see one its in this server anyways

[pine ember]

Yea...

[pine ember]

Bingo, you cant do anything anyways

[silk igloo]

i wondered why dont tankies spout memes in the same fashion, but i figure that most of the offensive phrases and memes are only spouted by "nazi types" because they're considered offensive. like how crows have fun pulling a cats tail. if crows could speak german to get the same reaction, i bet they would

[finite berry]

Exactly. Commie bullsh it simply isn't considered as offensive because it's socially more accepted which is a problem in itself.

Just like a guy having recently joined having hammer and sickle as pfp. Would be interesting to see the reactions if he had a swastika instead

[silk igloo]

maybe he has the hammer and sickle just to pull your tail

[novel geyser]

probably because despite being the extreme of either side communist beliefs are not the same as fascist ones

but this talk is too indepth for mess hall

ben when horses

[finite berry]

They are both equally vile and should both equally get condemned.

[finite berry]

Case in point by the way

[round breach]

I saw my entire squad getting domed one by one

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tearing-tearing-up-guy-meme-gif-18376284545860618849

war never changes

[past vortex]

@silk igloo @finite berry not sure how you get from antifaschist to commie
its almost as if you want to say antifaschism is bad

[silk igloo]

its literally a commie front from the start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1478442550540107898/Straw-Man-Logical-Fallacy.-Thinking-Errors.-Psychology-Fanatic-article-feature-image.png?ex=69a86a6c&is=69a718ec&hm=15da388380e041bef3a654c6f580a171a2bf35e274513fe9fb15e9f114d541df&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

[honest pecan]

Antifa is quite literally considered a terrorist organisation in some countries. I dont want to start some political talk but there are widespread protests in France right now because antifa members beat up a guy to death. There isnt much difference between both ends of the spectrum.

[novel geyser]

antifa as an organisation doesnt even exist really,
only place I know of it being labelled a terrorist organisation is the US

[past vortex]

its actually the default stance of any decent person
not sure why you pic a specific org

[finite berry]

The default stance of any decent person is anti-collectivist and anti-totalitarian

[past vortex]

yea "certain" countries

[past vortex]

and ? that totally does include antifaschism

[finite berry]

The biggest truism on the planet and the favourite argument of leftists to prevent a unified assessment of left-wing currents and movements, all of which operate under the label “antifa", more or less.

[finite berry]

Yes, obviously. Never said it wasn't.

[past vortex]

lol thats actually a talking point of the new right

[honest pecan]

it does though, in germany france hungary etc. The United States are actually the outlier because its more like a decentralized political movement there as far as i know

but in Europe generally they have their own organizations

[past vortex]

jumping on the word antifaschism while freely using other words that have associations to the far right shows very much where you go

[honest pecan]

wdym?

i usually vote for the socdems

[finite berry]

That's just his common take he drops pretty much every single time

He makes implications "hehe you are actually far-right :]" without actually ever elaborating on it (and actively refusing to do so when asked)

Just ignore it

[honest pecan]

meh, yeah, it kinda already went too far

[bleak palm]

well

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/well-wellwellwell-funny-meme-well-in-that-case-gif-6131606860678598481

[solar bronze]

Any good console units out there who go for historical accuracy?

[finite berry]

#1343089641489961001 best to look here

[covert elbow]

Bring back the kickstarter helmets or at least the limited time items

[thin lotus]

Haha.
No.

[past vortex]

naw you just ignore the elaboration

but that wasnt about you mainly, you claim to talk about a fantasy world anyway

[nova pivot]

Yeah for consoles

[analog apex]

I think that for the **__exclusive __**stuff that's been given for the Kickstarter backers, the Kickstarter backers should be deciding if anything. Nobody else.

And the stuff is called exclusive for a reason.

[novel geyser]

it is a shame that very basic things are kept exclusive tho with no way of getting them anymore

[analog apex]

Yeah, but that's why they were made exclusive. There had to be something for the backers, we got the helmets in our case.

If it wasn't that, it would be something else. But still, for the backers only.

And there still would be somebody who would want them afterwards too late.

[novel geyser]

I mean in the sense the kickstarter stuff could have been more flashy instead of items that in some cases shouldnt be so rare

I mean the only one I care about tbh is the goggle m1

[covert elbow]

Yea that’s my issue

[analog apex]

that's not even for the backers

[novel geyser]

oh lmao

then more reason to bring that back

[covert elbow]

If kickstarter backers had gotten special helmets with unique paint schemes and a KS written on it I’d be fine

But instead they got stuff like a helmet with leaves on it

Or the big red 1 insignia

[novel geyser]

which ones wre the backer helmets
the finnish helmet and the fancy scrim one?

[analog apex]

when it comes to the M1 with goggles, yes as it wasn't connected to the kickstarter in any way. But the backer stuff, nope.

[covert elbow]

The things they chose makes no sense

[thin lotus]

One of the bm devs made an offer for a golden stg skin if someone bought him a 2080ti. It was the top card back in the day.

[covert elbow]

What was the backer stuff then

[analog apex]

4 helmets

• the german one with the skull logo of some kind
• then the GER sniper veil helmet
• the US one multi coloured one
• then the US one with the grass on top of it

[covert elbow]

Okay

I say we compromise and we let the KS keep the Finnish and multi colored one

[novel geyser]

i thought the sniper viel and painted camo m1 were pre orders

[covert elbow]

Because both the sniper veil and grass helmet are just normal helmets with leaves

[thin lotus]

And an exclusive discord chat section whose last message was from over two years ago

🤣

[covert elbow]

There’s no reason to lock these

[novel geyser]

anyways what they should bring back
m1 goggles
Chicken wire Stahlhelm
German helmet with the decals on it

[covert elbow]

They need to bring back any exclusive stuff

[novel geyser]

what about the NKVD stuff what happened with that

[covert elbow]

Cause I also remember twitch drop stuff

[covert elbow]

Wasn’t that a pre order

[novel geyser]

i dont think so

BM and their confusing af limited cosmetics

[silk igloo]

Do they still appear in console versions even when its impossible to have them on console?

[covert elbow]

Unless it’s hacked, no

[analog apex]

the one that was broken? if I recall right... something rings that bell

[covert elbow]

Every single limited time cosmetic is not in the console version as these were all before full release

Yet another reason why they should be brought back

[covert elbow]

No clue. This is all just stuff I’ve heard

[analog apex]

and the M1 with the goggles** MP US helmet** was only for server admins or something like that

[novel geyser]

weird

[analog apex]

or for the devs themselves? not sure honestly anymore

there was no way of getting it so I ignored it

[covert elbow]

I remember there’s an M1 MP helmet with 82nd airborne insignia

[novel geyser]

if the kickstarer ones are just the finnish helmet and foliage ones then they can stay exclusive, though that foliage m1 would be nice
The rest need to come back

[analog apex]

riiight, that was the one that belogned there

my bad

[covert elbow]

Like genuinely every single limited time or exclusive helmet needs to go and replace them for special stuff like the KS bonuses

Could even get some new stuff for the other factions

But bottom line it’s just unfair for 99.99% of the playerbase, especially since most of the kickstarters just don’t play

Why can’t I use a basic helmet because I wasn’t around 8 years ago

[silk igloo]

because ||haha, got mine :^)||

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/crane-brazil-grab-poor-car-gif-17372636

[analog apex]

...because... you weren't around 🫤

and didn't back the project

[thin lotus]

Thank me for hll

Say thank you

[analog apex]

Exactly, the backers are those who made this game possible. Without us, KS would fail and there would very possibly be no HLL.

Hence the exclusive rewards.

[covert elbow]

So only these 4 helmets are kickstarter exclusive?

[analog apex]

yes

[covert elbow]

Okay

So then there’s no reason to not bring the other limited cosmetics back

[analog apex]

not sure part of which DLC were the M1 with goggles anymore

[covert elbow]

Another for the suggestions list

[analog apex]

yep, that's true

[novel geyser]

I can make that compromise

I just want my m1 goggles and chicken wire german helmet

mainly the goggles

[covert elbow]

I still want the m1 helmet with foliage

[thin lotus]

You haven’t said thank you once

[analog apex]

till now I had no idea the M1 with goggles are unacessible anymore

[covert elbow]

There’s like 10+ cosmetics that are completely lost

[analog apex]

and here to add: the GER sniper veil and the US multicoloured one (of 506th I believe?) were for the lower tier backers, while the GER one with the skull and the US one with grass were for the higher tier backers

[covert elbow]

??????

How tf haha

[analog apex]

So I have only 2 of those as I was just a Veteran backer

for instance Chum has all 4 as he is a Major backer

[covert elbow]

How much was that even

[analog apex]

4 in total, 2 of them accessible also by low tier backers, the other 2 accessible only by the higher tier backers

[covert elbow]

No like

Money. Money price

[analog apex]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackmatter/hell-let-loose
the prices are still listed there for all the backer tiers

aaah, right but the helmets are not mentioned there anymore it seems

[novel geyser]

no wonder he is so grumpy about the game

[analog apex]

but my 2 helmets required at least Veteran: $29.95 USD

[covert elbow]

So to get a helmet with grass on it and some Finnish insigna I would have added to pay…

$236…

Wow

[analog apex]

the other two were accessible I beleive just at **Captain **tier for $100 USD and higher (could have been Lieutenant too... I don't remember anymore)

[silk igloo]

i wonder if the general backers got to choose their custom map...

[covert elbow]

That’s genuinely awful who thinks of that as an award

For that price I want a custom made helmet

[covert elbow]

Even this

That’s almost insulting for me to spend that kinda money and then be “rewarded” for a slightly fancier helmet

Nah not almost, that is

[analog apex]

helmets were just a part of the rewards though

Major tier got for instance 6 copies of the game - 6 keys

it was meant for multiple people

that brings me to question... does Chum still have the other 5 keys? 😄

[covert elbow]

He’s keeping them like a dragon hoards gold

[analog apex]

because each of those keys still contain access to the Major rewards... maybe he could sell you some 😄

[covert elbow]

Not even worth it cause I play on console

[analog apex]

aaaah, right

[covert elbow]

And because I can’t transfer progress then what’s the point

[analog apex]

but yeah, for all the other helmets there is no reason to be unavailable

I still don't get why winter and summer warfare DLCs are accessible just for a limited time

it's like if we don't play winter maps in summer or summer maps in winter... doesn't make sense

...as many other things in HLL after all :/

[novel geyser]

I've been saying this for years!

summer warfare is extra confusing because you still have to unlock it at role level 7

[covert elbow]

AND WHY ARE BRITISH PARATROOPERS A DLC

[novel geyser]

tell me about it 🥲

[lucid tusk]

Because the British faction were rushed out with unfinished assets left over from BMs exfil

[novel geyser]

thats no excuse 💔

[pine ember]

Probably uniqueness... I have to admit I like the idea

[forest zodiac]

Git Gud

[undone sand]

What?

[novel geyser]

Git Gud

[honest pecan]

this guy

[undone sand]

What mean git gud

[topaz wedge]

Omg

[honest pecan]

you have to git gud

[topaz wedge]

Turn down ads sens

[undone sand]

What?

[honest pecan]

this guy

[undone sand]

What mean men?

[topaz wedge]

Get outta here

[undone sand]

Why

[honest pecan]

this guy

[forest zodiac]

Rage bait or low IQ, call it

[undone sand]

Is this really how the community hase come to?

[covert elbow]

Wow has no one heard of a troll before?

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-tribe-gif-26478338

[topaz wedge]

No 🙁

[forest zodiac]

Low tier bait

[topaz wedge]

naw it’s for real

Lmao

[nova pivot]

I get that without hacks

[cyan saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179085355681595474/1406844456912556052/attachment.gif

[forest zodiac]

We all went through the learning curve and got better @undone sand

[novel geyser]

I have to confess I cheat in this game... I use a 1440p monitor and set ADS fov to 60..............

[past vortex]

aint we all

[covert elbow]

You sick **** I CANT BELIEVE I WAS EVER FRIENDS WITH YOU

[novel geyser]

😔

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1354538225544204419/attachment.gif

[thin lotus]

Complaining that someone is getting a high kill count in the most mechanically easy shooter game

Don’t worry, glows had me temp perma’d for “moving too fast and headshotting everyone” as reported by one of their members

🤣

[real parrot]

Hey I'm also from ESP, spanish clan

[real parrot]

I have a 1440 monitor and I play in 120 fov, I see EVERYTHING

[past vortex]

its about the ads slider

[real parrot]

That doesnt affect me

[past vortex]

if you dont have that at 60 its your own fault

[real parrot]

I'm a tank

[past vortex]

before they made it available we had to change settings midgame :D

[novel geyser]

so dumb you can lower it
they need to get rid of that setting and just have guns types use their own fov values or something

[real parrot]

I would be contempt with making people not shoot from their shoulder when peaking

[past vortex]

well yea, but then they should remove fov entirely, before it was extra stupid

[forest zodiac]

Buenas

[real parrot]

Lo siento no hablo vasco

[novel geyser]

ads fov is perhaps worse

[past vortex]

those esp using clans are the worst :}

[forest zodiac]

Jajajaja

[novel geyser]

lowering your overall fov is going to be a detriment in most cases

[real parrot]

😔

[forest zodiac]

I got my fov on max, life changing

[novel geyser]

one thing that I think should be default and perhaps forced is teammate icon occlusion

[real parrot]

120 fov chad

[forest zodiac]

Real

Quick scope with 120 fov 🔥

[real parrot]

I have ALL the fov

[past vortex]

i did change fov mid game tho, i dont want that back
so if anything then no fov setting at all

[novel geyser]

huh?

[past vortex]

pah, tell us about 360 noscope

[past vortex]

lol didnt you change fov when setting up a mg or sniping some pesky dude

[novel geyser]

nop

[forest zodiac]

I kneel

[novel geyser]

dont bother with that
I just have the ADS fov set to the lowest

[past vortex]

thats on you i guess

[glossy ridge]

Is HLL vietnam going to have the DLSS this time ? Any informations about it from the devs please ?

[past vortex]

im talking about how it was ofc

[novel geyser]

ah

yeah never bothered with it back then

[forest zodiac]

If you all had to guess how many maps it’s Vietnam going to have ? A guess

[novel geyser]

I cba going through settings just to help me snipe one guy

[past vortex]

would be strange if they disabled that in ue5, so 99.9% yes

[novel geyser]

5 at most

[past vortex]

:O

[forest zodiac]

🥲

[covert elbow]

69

[past vortex]

420 even

[novel geyser]

a little bit of FOV tweakage is fine, but it should never be so drastic it comes at a straight advantage like ADS fov, that should just be tied to the gun and be the same no matter your regular FOV setting

[real parrot]

67

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gold-ship-gold-ship-golshi-gold-ship-uma-musume-goku-prowler-gif-877742140786639460

[past vortex]

yea

[real parrot]

60 fov crew has nothing to do against monitor magnifying glass

[past vortex]

yea if someone is technical sound and/or wants to spend money then there are much more powerful cheats

[novel geyser]

pistols no zoom
smgs little to none
ARs and MGs medium zoom
Rifles normal ammount
Snipers have a scope so yea

[past vortex]

you cant even tell from watching someones stream

[sharp seal]

Guh

[honest pecan]

Are glow's admins known to be trigger happy?

[wispy vector]

Yo gracias or something

[thin lotus]

Idk, it’s probably close to a year since I’ve been on glows

[forest zodiac]

Cómo estás ahh

[past veldt]

We should ask the head E-girl @dusty bolt

[wispy vector]

40 or more

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363877549534740480/1463153691669561481/Huk_V.gif

[novel geyser]

q5

[honest pecan]

1

0

[dusty bolt]

Shush hacker

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/super-bitch-hesosoutheast-gay-superhero-skill-gif-14560456

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[novel geyser]

I wonder when pavlov will get his house back

[covert elbow]

I should be out in charge of HLL and this discord

I would fix both of them in a day, tops

[hazy owl]

Fix the game. Make no mistakes.

[covert elbow]

That’s my goal

[boreal stratus]

Is there like any channel or anything that can help me with my game shitting itself

Like I can’t even log into the menu screen, I’ve done literally everything I can think of and this game actually lets me log in when I’m playing on cloud gaming

Like I don’t wanna play on 20 fps and 480p what am I supposed to even do???

[odd cairn]

looking for a group of people to play with

im brand new

[finite berry]

Ask in #pc-looking-for-unit

If you are new and need some guidance, ask in #new-recruit-barracks

[forest zodiac]

It’s over

[slate canopy]

Not for a couple hours.

[dense sky]

Good evening, I would like to ask a dev, does dead or downed players aka waiting for a medic count in taking or defending sector?

[fleet quail]

how come there is no server open to play ?

[slate canopy]

Crossplay on?

[slate canopy]

Not a dev, but I believe a downed player does not count.

[fleet quail]

oh i can see now

[fleet quail]

thanks mate

[dense sky]

I just had an argument with people from my community, some Brazilian players believe that downed or dead players count, and they claim they have direct connection with the devs which I doubt but instead of pulling things outta thin air I would like to get a dev response cuz holy molly I'm trying over here xD

[slate canopy]

The devs don't really talk here 😬

[dense sky]

You know where I can reach em?

[slate canopy]

Not easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czyg05LDe0g

Here's a good little video on myths

[forest zodiac]

Hell let loose creepypasta

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[real parrot]

What do you guys think of monitor magnifiyng glass? I just realised mine has one

[true grail]

I’m trying to play conquest but I can’t see any matches after switching game versions. Is this normal?

[slate canopy]

Currently Conquest was only for the beta testing. I don't think they have any hosted right now?

[true grail]

Got it. Thanks

[vestal narwhal]

is there a way to get my mic to work? on any server i play no one can hear me.

[nova pivot]

No

[keen glen]

🫰

[pine ember]

Meddl

[obsidian wren]

When this happened to me I needed to reinstall the game

[warm bay]

hi

[covert elbow]

Okay genuinely what is happening in here

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1467137801983103163

That guy’s points are so strange and makes no sense

[river rover]

You have to be sure in Windows you have a single Record and single Playback Device. Disable all others you are not using. Once you set these be sure to choose as Default Devices. Then choose SOUND RESET in Windows too. See if this helps

[analog apex]

☝️ I agree, it's getting ridiculous as they are using totally false or made-up arguments too much.

Btw. ... so funny, none of these "arty-rights" warriors ever complained ever before the arty changes, while it was possible for the arty to be directly operable by anybody, including the Commander, Medic or Sniper. All was just fine for them. Now they suddenly appear and see it as a problem even when the CMD just calls for the arty, and he is not directly operating it anymore. Yet they act like he is and are using it as a (made-up) argument.

So much for one of these people's arguments which they obviously twist as it suits them. Smells selfish, fighting not for the good of the game, just for the good of themselves. They seem to actually (mis)believe in them too (or are just ragebaiting), but that doesn't make those arguments objective or right at all.

Locking the thread would be indeed a good idea because this has been a pure BS for at least 5 days already.

[novel geyser]

Ive been feeding it i admit
Ill stop now promise

[analog apex]

But it's indeed hard not to react to the crazy arguments they bring. One thinks he can make it clear with one simple sentence (because it's clear & objective), but yet each time they refuse to take it.

And so it goes in circles over and over and over...

[leaden gyro]

What's with the pw on tfmc xbox server 🤔

[oak current]

maybe they have an event or something else closed

[wooden wolf]

Is there a Way to Find an Open Game with Recon/Sniper Available. I been trying for Past 10-15mins an every Game is Full or I have to be a Spotter an Not a Sniper. I Only want to Play as a Sniper ONLY

[solar slate]

Get a friend with a fast pc to play as recon, only reliable option

[wooden wolf]

I Have NO Friends that Play this Game

[pearl ledge]

this aint the game for you bro. no one gets to play only sniper. good luck.

[novel geyser]

best way of getting sniper is managing to load into the game before everyone else and snatching it before anyone else, a spotter is needed to start the squad though so you pretty much need to have a friend with you to claim the squad

[bleak bone]

does anyone know how i can fix that im stuck in the loading screen? My PC and internet is good enough i already checked for corrupted files

[worthy charm]

Arty never makes sense in this game

:}

[hard whale]

any time line for new thing ?

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363877549534740480/1463153691669561481/Huk_V.gif

[hard whale]

ok

[worthy charm]

Ok, for real its probably sometime in the summer

Assuming the interview a few weeks ago can be trusted

[dusty bolt]

Good evening chat

[worthy charm]

How are you my dear?

[dusty bolt]

Le tired

[worthy charm]

Thats fine I guess

[thin lotus]

Glows at 4am
“Hey can you help seed?”

Uhhh, no friendo I can’t

[cosmic pilot]

Lmfao
Perfect setup for perfect punchline

[silk igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-ze-missiles-missiles-french-gif-18119020

[dusty bolt]

Literally what I was referencing haha

[covert elbow]

Even funnier because I said how artillery is braindead and needs to go, he asked for reasons why, and when I sent it to him he didn’t even respond

[novel geyser]

ben online

ben when mortars

and subfactions
and gunplay™
and horses

[covert elbow]

I swear if I hear about horses again I’m sending you to the glue factory

[novel geyser]

thats rude

and a little horseist

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-uma-musume-special-week-gold-ship-golshi-gif-579859626296860641

[forest zodiac]

Where are you know

Atlantis, under the sea, under the sea

[honest pecan]

i havent seen either hill 400 or hurtgen in like half a year now bruh

whats going on with that

[covert elbow]

People don’t like the maps

[novel geyser]

I dont like the maps

anyways those two are always being played, usually the last thing I see on the loading screen before exiting the game

[cosmic pilot]

When you need a new shoe (your leg is fine) but you can't run anymore.

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/true-silence-suzuka-suzuka-feel-that-that's-true-gif-12016045316501748721

[honest pecan]

I dunno if that's just my impression, but I remember there used to be a lot of Kursks, Mortains, Elseborns, Hill 400s and Hurtgens. Now 99% of the maps I see are Sainte Mere Eglise, Foy, Purple Heart, Caretans and Sainte Marie Du Mont. It's nauseating.

To the point that I started excluding the latter 5 in my filters and I'm basically getting no servers now.

[novel geyser]

pretty much always been the case from my experience

[covert elbow]

That’s when we had a large turnover of new players who played every map

We’re back to the cycle where only maps that are played are the “competitively viable” ones

[honest pecan]

Ohh that would actually explain a lot tbf

But having to play Caretan/Sainte Mere/Sainte Marie over and over again is actually so tiresome.

[limpid night]

@fluid sky ADD MICH

@fluid sky ADD MICH

@fluid sky ADD MICH

@fluid sky ADD MICH

@fluid sky ADD MICH

[covert elbow]

No it’s awful

I try and snag any game with a different map when I can

Especially the eastern front maps

[honest pecan]

At this point I look out for anything that's not France. Driel and Remagen, Tobruk, El Alamein.

I prefer any of those to playing Caretan 5 times in a row.

[covert elbow]

Same

I’m curious about the remagen refresh. I really hope they go over the existing buildings and make new correct assets for them

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/true-he-has-a-true-real-facts-agree-gif-4862066548651930678

[pine ember]

I just quit a Server nowadays when there’s a Normandy map next (except Carentan and maybe SMdM). Played those way too often

[novel geyser]

I wouldnt count on it 😶

[novel geyser]

I do that most of the time tbh but been sticking to it mostly

my wrist has been killing me though and HLL isnt helping 😔

[echo karma]

I cam help with that

[covert elbow]

Oh I know. Guess I’ll need to poke and prod Ben to see if I can get an inkling for the next refresh so I can send stuff over before it’s finalized

[novel geyser]

@soft crow im taking this out of the suggestion because its too clogged now
What you're saying doesnt change a thing, the artillery guns in HLL are too close to the frontline anyways for any realism argument in favour of keeping them. I get you primarily want to play artillery and theres no other games that really have it especially on console. But really dont get your hopes up im sure they'd sooner bin artillery than add any complex calculations to it

besides actually question, does arma reforger not have artillery guns

feel like that would be a far more appropriate game for player crewed arty

[nova pivot]

They have mortars 😔

[novel geyser]

dam

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dam-damn-gif-27530020

[covert elbow]

Mortars are litteraly just artillery but more fitting and allows for more compelling gameplay

I don’t know how people can argue against that

[novel geyser]

I think he just specifically to shoot the big guns

which I mean i get
its cool being able to use them
its just thats all they really have going for them

[covert elbow]

Yes that’s his point

[soft crow]

In reality I understand the distance argument. The maps aren’t big enough, but at the same time, I don’t foresee how you can have a WW2 game without manned artillery because how important it was for the war on both sides. It would be like removing tanks. It would make no sense because how important they were for all armies. Mortars were used, but much less than artillery.

We then can’t keep making the argument “well in real life this and real life that” when the game constantly does unrealistic things and changes that pull further away from what used to make HLL authentic and unique. Like, bazookas now operating the same as the shreck which is 3-4Xs its size. Guys want to have their cake and eat it too when saying “in real life” as their argument. They only bring it up when it benefits their argument.

I got killed 17 times by artillery in a match one time. It was brutal, but it was not the same spot and he would hit us in lanes, roads, different places. It was good artillery. Changed the game. He was not just spamming either

[covert elbow]

Don’t get me wrong, arty is fun and cool to fire. But if they want to keep the manned guns then it’d have to be its own spawn off the map and then suddenly you have the issue of no way to counter them

[covert elbow]

Mortars were used the exact same amount as artillery

[novel geyser]

this is the thing you keep saying "no artillery" there will be artillery its just players wont be the ones using aiming and firing them
theres a reason almost no game or no shooters have the artillery guns as something you use manually

[covert elbow]

We do not care about how often we die to artillery. What we care about is gameplay balance and trying to keep it somewhat accurate to real life

You keep running around saying the same points when we have constantly told you why it’s not a good argument. Either update your points or stop

[novel geyser]

you will still be shelled, your team will still shell enemies
its just there wont be players using it manually and it will be fired off map by the hypothetical imaginary artillery crew
The comparison to tanks is that tanks are actually used on the frontlines and are far more engaging to play as

[covert elbow]

This

[novel geyser]

I've played artillery myself and it literally is just sitting there, seeing where the enemies are or most likely at, throwing the numbers in taking some shots and waiting if you kill someone. and maybe change depending on where people are going. It really isnt all that

[covert elbow]

How can you not get it through your head that artillery will still be there in the form of a commander call in and in a perfect world manned artillery guns would be replaced with manned mortars

[novel geyser]

and by spam I dont mean just throwing it in one place I mean constant none stop artillery. It isnt really fun to be on the recieving end of that
there is the counter of killing the artillery but thats where the BIGGEST issue of the inclusion lies, and thats that the only effective way to counter artillery is to literally spawn camp

[soft crow]

But we aren’t here for most other games.

And if you actually know how to shoot artillery and use the guns, shoot in sheafs, it’s much more engaging and more in depth than “spam from calculator.”

You aren’t playing the role to its full potential. There are levels to it just like with everything in the game.

[novel geyser]

I assume by shoot in sheafs you mean leading a target. yeah even thats not that complicated

[soft crow]

lol. No.

[covert elbow]

The main issue is that artillery guns being static is the issue

[novel geyser]

what do you mean by that

I dont know what you mean by shoot in sheaf

[covert elbow]

You can have firing techniques and strategy’s on how to fire but that’s not going to change the fact you are stuck in one position for the entire game with the only counter being for recon to trek it’s way across the map to take you out

And then it repeats as nausem because the guns can’t move

[novel geyser]

yeah I mean ultimately the lesser of the issue is how easy it is or not to use the arty gun
its just there is very little in the loop of countering it to the point it might aswell not exist

[covert elbow]

And you can’t just block off the HQ area because then suddenly you have unkillable artillery which would break the entire game

[novel geyser]

all of that fancy firing technique applies to mortars too

[soft crow]

Sheafs are shelling patterns. Different patterns for different terrain or instances. Some converge on an area, some go linear, some go open.

[covert elbow]

Artillery as a concept does not work for gameplay and it must be replaced by placed limited ranged mortars

[novel geyser]

oh I see like creeping barrages?

[covert elbow]

That is a complete and utter fact. Sorry if its not the one you want to hear

Would be cool to let commander choose different firing methods for artillery though instead of the current circle

[novel geyser]

I was gonna say with commander call in artys things like creeping barrages would be a cool thing, being able to choose what sort of arty pattern to use

[soft crow]

A creeping barrage is a public term of a type of converged sheaf, but yeah that’s jist of it

[novel geyser]

yeah thats fair
all that stuff is well and good but really the crux of the issue is the fact the arty cant move and there is very little in the ways of logistics for supplying the artillery

how would you go about improving artillery asside from bringing back the old system

[covert elbow]

Did I ever make a mortar suggestion with my idea for it? Or was that just me rambling in this discord or the historical one

[novel geyser]

maybe idk

I mostly ramble

[covert elbow]

I have not made one no… should probably do that and send it to Ben

[soft crow]

As much as I hate having commander have control of it, I do agree it shouldn’t be random like it is. There is a method to the madness if you are a beast on the gun. The most I have ever had was 334. Almost never do I sit there and shoot at garrisons

My controversial opinion is that HQ2 should be a safe zone. Nodes cannot be built there so recon can still hunt for them and they are not perma safe.

1 artillery gun with the limited ammo is has. The cooldown and how you have to wait 3+ minutes for ammo after you shoot your 50 is enough. You won’t like it, but that does mean artillery is uncounterable. (Adds some realism) Plus, that then means there is true value to having YOUR gun up and running while being effective. Most complaints about arty come from games with no garrisons or officers. Force all squads to have an SL which increases spawns and decreases your likelihood of being hit on an OP or garrison. High tides raise all boats.

• remove the ability for artillery spotters to build garrisons and shoot flares. Right now in most console pubs artillery has become another recon squad popping flares because they know they will just get griefed and gun gone immediately if they try to play the role they selected.

[covert elbow]

Or, hear me out, add mortars squads

Artillery squads should have never gotten a flare though, much less exist

[cyan saddle]

That's a wild take that I am not sure the people here are ready for yet

Myself included

[covert elbow]

Get rid of arty, make HQ’s safe, add mortars with a range of like 600m that need to be resupplied manually

[novel geyser]

This is where I think the immediate issue is that if artillery isnt counterable
it shouldnt be able to fire almost indefinitely
While its great for arty players like yourself
I mean you play it a lot more in depth than 99% of arty players
its terrible for literally everyone else

[covert elbow]

Hence why mortars should be manually restocked via jeeps

[novel geyser]

If artillery is to be not counterable, then it needs a hard cooldown between barrages and at that point it should just be a commander call in

[covert elbow]

This

This exactly. So much true in this statement

If the only solution to “fixing” an issue is to make it extremely powerful with no downsides then what’s the point

It’s like adding a tank but making it only take damage from heavy’s and satchels

[novel geyser]

I do throw in the realism argument a few times I am prone to that
but it is still a game, and if artillery is capable of being so incredibly dominating with no counter its not going to be fun on the receiving end and more people are going to have a problem

[soft crow]

With the current ammo setup, you cannot shoot indefinitely. If you get your 50 shells and shoot nonstop you run out after 7 minutes. The cooldown is 10. Meaning you already don’t get to shoot 30% of the match if you never get shot off or the gun dismantled.

[novel geyser]

yes but your suggestion is a cooldown of "3+ minutes"

if the 50 shells go in 7 minutes
you're getting the ability to resupply before you run out

so indefinitely

[soft crow]

I think you are misunderstanding

[novel geyser]

and again, if it is uncounterable, it needs a long enough cool down to give breathing room to infantry after being shelled.

and I dont think arty players want to sit around for minutes scratching their bum waiting for a resupply

[soft crow]

When commander hits artillery resupply you get 50 shells. The cooldown is 10 minutes. If I load and shoot those shells nonstop they only last me 7 minutes. Meaning I have to wait 3 minutes for commander to be able to resupply, IF he has the ammo

[novel geyser]

oh right I see

even still 3 minutes is nothing in HLL time

infantry would still be getting shelled to hell the entire match, I fundamentally disagree with near endless artillery barrages, there has to be a long enough pause between shelling salvos

[soft crow]

Ehhh disagree. A lot changes in those 3 minutes. Those 3 minutes add up pretty quick and then all of a sudden you didn’t get to play 30% of the match no matter what

[novel geyser]

in the grand scheme of things a warfare match is like what an hour and a half
3 minutes is worth nothing in that time

[real parrot]

Add MLRS tanks

[soft crow]

That is 24 minutes of the 86 possible. 1/3 of the game

[novel geyser]

the only time 3 minutes is really worth anything is if you're inches away from the point to capture

and theres always more than just artillery contesting infantry.
A team with decent defenses, tanks and frequent accurate artillery fire would be horrible to go up against

on a game wide scale the player ran artillery is just not that good of an idea

[soft crow]

Strongly disagree. 9 times out of 10 the squad or 2 you were helping move up get pushed back because you are waiting on ammo. They lose the ground you help them take. Good artillery is about taking ground and closing gaps. The people who say they just dial up a garrison or something don’t know what they are doing. Only 1 out of every 8 shells will hit a spawn. That is the least effective and inefficient way to shoot.

But, the belief of every squad being mandated to have a SL would (in theory) increase spawns and command chat communication, which would ideally elevate the game entirely. Instead right now, every game is more or less the exact same meat grind in the middle with whoever has the better backline rocket guy rinsing your garrisons

[novel geyser]

we can agree on that last thing

but in that case I think the game needs to do more to force team work, I think AT and Engineers need to be moved into their own respective squads so they can focus on their job on a squad level, while infantry squads do the heavy lifting in combat.
But with that arty change you arent really forcing that much in terms of team play other than communication really. And an average match would still just have one guy sat on artillery swapping seats to reload and fire.
And before you mention solo tankers they are a plague but atleast they have a severe handicap compared to arty which can be just as effective solo as with two people if you have the timing right

[cosmic pilot]

this is what we call "a balancing mechanic"

there's no rule that says you should be able to fire arty nonstop indefinitely

you could argue it's "unfun" but there is a point to it

[novel geyser]

a mortar squad if done properly would have that teamwork forced
as ideally you'd need atleast two people to get a mortar up and running if say
one person carries the actual gun and deploys it while the other has an ammo box needed to be placed to shoot it. Maybe even something extra requiring a second person on the mortar to fire it quicker, which would be more important with mortars closer to the frontline needing to get more shots off rapidly

Artillery despite clearly intended to be a multiple person deal is one of the most soloable roles to take in the game and I think that is a problem

not as much now with the recent changes but I've not at all touched arty since u19 so I dont know the ins and outs of the new system

[soft crow]

Right but all the other changes have gone too far. Not really being able to defend the gun is the really big one. It’s dismantled so fast that it’s gone before you even hit the redeploy screen.

[cosmic pilot]

HQ arty served a function of "being something to do" if you happened to find yourself in the hq if nothing else to do, i.e. waiting for a tank to spawn

[novel geyser]

real

[cosmic pilot]

if you have down time as inherent in the expendature of shells you are creating a problem where you have nothing to do

[soft crow]

The AT change is interesting. I’ve long thought rockets should not destroy garrisons. I know I know, but with everyone having 3 now they are so religiously spammed it’s ridiculous. Then American bazookas operating the same and the panzerschrecks is like the cherry on top but then people wanna say “in real life” and just drive me nuts

[cosmic pilot]

real

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1458868712990970019

[novel geyser]

yeah the changes made are questionable
With my idea though AT would be a lot easier to balance since there'd be a hard limit of how much AT can be on a team
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1448306088670789763

and Im all for asymmetry with the factions

[cosmic pilot]

for the case of infantry sitting in a static defence with "nothing to do" atleast you're trying to keep your eyes out for the enemy so you're not really "doing nothing"

if you're on HQ arty waiting for shells you literally have nothing to do

[cosmic pilot]

no no no, splitting AT into it's own squad was my idea

you are merely using it on loan

[novel geyser]

🙉 lalala

I also include engineer squads and MG squads for US and removing automatic rifleman

so mine is clearly better

[cosmic pilot]

splitting logi into it's own squad is not mine and is retartar

[novel geyser]

nuh uh

engineers being in their own squad lets them actually organise defences on a squad level

or be a sapper unit when attacking

infantry squads get too many roles to choose from
there is literally more roles than players on a single infantry squad rn

[cosmic pilot]

stuff like that is mostly a matter of flavor
but i present to you, how kinda all over the place the arty squad is

[soft crow]

Like both those arguments posted. I’ve sniped spawns from half the map. Satisfying but killer for enemy command.

[novel geyser]

well thats because the arty squad was come up with by T17 and not me

[covert elbow]

AT should not be its own squad. But the role should be limited per team

[novel geyser]

unlike them I am very smart

but just like them I am british
so... take that as you will...

[lusty viper]

#hll-videos is this a good duel strength score ? Just came back from a year break and was raging in command chat about having a 90% wr prob and he checked my stats and was like ur not far off 80% rn ngl bro knows what he talking about if he just came back talking about my defense score

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/lycoris-recoil-chisato-nishikigi-pfft-anime-coffee-spit-gif-26115752

[novel geyser]

easiest way of limiting it per team is to have them as their own squad

[covert elbow]

BRITISH!?!?

[cosmic pilot]

consider, your statement is encapsulated in my statement

[lusty viper]

And it's doesn't track all my old battles from years ago

[novel geyser]

AT squads can atleast then communicate and work on taking out tanks as a squad rather than just leaving it up to the one AT guy

[cosmic pilot]

if at is limited to it's own squad it is limted per team

[soft crow]

They need to Remove the flares and ability to build garrisons for artillery. Gets real old wanting to play arty but someone just got an attacking OP solo locked lol

[covert elbow]

I think they should add the Ratte

[novel geyser]

I think they should add horses

maybe they can tow artillery

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-uma-musume-special-week-gold-ship-golshi-gif-579859626296860641

[cosmic pilot]

just make it a two man team, rockets and AT mines only, and give the SL an ammo box

[soft crow]

Guys guys the real solution here is just give recon satchels and call it a day

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[austere ivy]

Easiest way of limiting AT would be to take satchel away from 1 role and then putting the rockets back to 2 per AT player. Also the satchel needs a nerf. It shouldn't take out a heavy or medium in one hit and it shouldn't be as easy as it is to place

[novel geyser]

I agree satchel needs a nerf big time

[covert elbow]

Give medic a satchel

[novel geyser]

I'd go as far as to remove it from everyone except engineer

[lusty viper]

No answer on the duel strength score got it

[slate canopy]

Please, give spotter 🥺

[austere ivy]

Take it from everyone besides level 6 AT

[covert elbow]

Just make it so it only damages the tank components

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shut-up-be-quiet-funny-gif-19370091

[slate canopy]

It was removed due to not being a video. You can repost your picture in #off-topic-mess-hall

[novel geyser]

no way
it should be for destroying structures more than destroying vehicles

[soft crow]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-bait-clickbait-gif-7373851025472833661

[novel geyser]

engineers in this case have a loadout for defensive structure building
and offensive strucuture demoliton

[austere ivy]

You know, that's actually a very valid point

[dawn canopy]

What is happening here

[lusty viper]

#off-topic-mess-hall #hll-videos is this a good duel strength score ? Just came back from a year break and was raging in command chat about having a 90% wr prob and he checked my stats and was like ur not far off 80% rn ngl bro knows what he talking about if he just came back talking about my defense score

[novel geyser]

AT being in their own squad would also make it better for tanks to fight AT
since they have a specific unit they have to watch out for rather than everyone and their mother having an AT guy with them

[slate canopy]

I don't think a lot of people even use that 😅

[soft crow]

While I’m at it.

Remove tanks ability to destroy structures. Less accurate but man I miss seeing some of the bases people would build. No use now when a light tank destroys everything but your max stuff

[novel geyser]

but I'd then go even further by having AT grenades available for some loadouts in infantry squads, but those wont be as powerful as rocket launchers

[cosmic pilot]

i hate it when people quote me but use different words

[novel geyser]

and then id go EVEN further and make it so north africa and mid war eastern front maps dont have any rocket launchers and only AT rifles for infantry portable Anti Tank weapons, with germans getting a panzerbusche

[soft crow]

No panzerfaust?

[novel geyser]

Panzerfaust would be nice to have too but that would be the late war maps like normandy onwards

[austere ivy]

Being almost a dedicated tanker, it's so annoying getting 400 AT rockets launched at me from every direction, having to worry about 3 enemy tanks and 70 guys trying to satchel me all at once, God forbid I drive away and run over a German mine I can't see.

[novel geyser]

yep my pain the few times I've played tanks

AT literally everywhere

[soft crow]

Seen a video of a 3 man luchs role up and in the 30 second clip 11 rockets get shot at it

[covert elbow]

It’s a major issue people just want to ignore for some reason

[soft crow]

But when I run command…. Not 1 at on my team LOL

[covert elbow]

They just like to fire rockets and place satchels

[novel geyser]

limiting them to their own squads allows better fine tuning since you dont have to think about a teams worth af AT guys if there can only be like 4 max

and I would be that harsh to have max 4 AT guys on a team atleast to see how it plays
2 AT squads each with 2 AT guys in them aswell as their officer and support

[austere ivy]

Wasn't it the devs themselves that said Heavy Tanks are supposed to be these big almost unstoppable and game turning assets when U18 came out and that's why they limited them to 2 per team at once?

It honestly doesn't feel that way in my opinion.

[cosmic pilot]

heavy tanks did need to be limited

[fervent dagger]

They can’t anymore anyway. Least not most of the structures. The spas are the only things that can destroy the vast majority of them now

[soft crow]

Was this announced? I know they said it was only like heavy tanks but for a long time light tanks destroyed structures. I know because I remember blowing up a level 1 barricade and being confused and then someone said they implemented wrong and never fixed it

[covert elbow]

Need to be limited and satchels heavily nerfed

[austere ivy]

I agree, but they are now made of paper mache. A bazooka or panzershrek penetrating the armor from the side and turret is ridiculous and don't get me started on satchels

[novel geyser]

It should take like 4 satchels to take down a heavy or something like that not 1

[soft crow]

Yeah I really liked the strategy of having to attack German armor and get behind it. Valued both tank knowledge when TC and infantry knowledge when playing AT. Now you can just launch right at the front with no strategy lol

[novel geyser]

also I've been saying it since they were added, molotovs need to do some chip damage to tanks

make them actually somewhat useful

[fervent dagger]

Yeah it was an update 19 thing. You can still destroy lv 1 barricades and I think lv1 bunkers, with pretty much everything. But any other construct like wire, hedgehogs ect. Need a spa or satchel to do it. No other tank can

[austere ivy]

It was a real tactic back then to use molotovs and whatever flame you could get on the engine deck

[novel geyser]

exactly

one wouldnt be enough to kill a tank but if you can get multiple people to ambush one and all throw molotovs you could easily take it out

plus the damage would depend on tank class so light tanks would take less molotovs compared to a heavy

[austere ivy]

Also, I want my tank to also not be stopped by a twig, that might be asking too much though.

coughrussianmapscough

[novel geyser]

lol

[slate canopy]

That twig has feelings 🥺

[austere ivy]

The twig is rude and doesn't let me pass. Its feelings are invalid.

[cosmic pilot]

regular squads should be able to mobility kill a tank and damage non critical subsystems like vision ports and machinguns

[novel geyser]

100%

tank damage and componant damage needs to be more in depth

[wintry thistle]

Lmao

[novel geyser]

AT grenades for infantry squads would be great for assisting AT in finishing off tanks

and would make them not completely helpless but not powerful enough to kill everything

plus it would be an alternate loadout so not everyone would be packing AT grenades

[austere ivy]

I vote to make tanks rideable as in to carry infantry like the trucks

[blazing frost]

recon tanks can

[austere ivy]

Not on the inside of the tank

[novel geyser]

you can kinda do that if you manage to jump ontop of them
no fancy animation tho
transport vehicles in general arent very useful outside of the start of a round tho

[covert elbow]

Also tracking tanks should actually track that and require an engineer or mechanic to repair it to full

[hallow ravine]

i love tking people

[slate canopy]

I saw a part of Altberg's stream this last weekend, like 5 people rode ontop of a tank lol

[blazing frost]

anyone can hop in a recon tank

[hallow ravine]

antitank = best TK

[novel geyser]

he means sitting on a tank not in a recon

[hallow ravine]

i blew up our own tank

[austere ivy]

I'm aware. I have over 1k hours in the game lol

[hallow ravine]

and i didnt get kicked for tk

[austere ivy]

That's not possible to do

[hallow ravine]

oh damn

that means i didnt TK

wait

i blew up an enemy tank

[novel geyser]

what team were you on

[hallow ravine]

germany

[blazing frost]

only if i can shoot and tk the others riding with me

[novel geyser]

what tank was it

[hallow ravine]

had a star on it and stuff

idk the type of tanks

[novel geyser]

lmao thats a US tank

[hallow ravine]

ohhhhhh

damn

[covert elbow]

ITS A KING TIGER RUYYUYN

[hallow ravine]

i shot 2 rockets at it

[novel geyser]

you'd know if its a friendly tank since the crews names would show up when you look at them

[hallow ravine]

damn so i killed an enemy tank

[austere ivy]

There's the magic friendly AT rocket that sends the infantry back to the redeploy screen

[slate canopy]

They already are. (screenshot from Altberg's ECL match on Sunday)

[hallow ravine]

i love joining servers and tking ppl

[slate canopy]

Get your toxicity out of here 😒

[blazing frost]

precision strike

[hallow ravine]

once a medic revived me

[austere ivy]

I want it to be less awkward to ride on

[hallow ravine]

and i blew both of us up when he revived me

and he laughed

[wintry thistle]

It’s more fun to plink at people instead of outright killing them

[austere ivy]

Shoot their toes

[cosmic pilot]

shoo

vision ports are non critical to the being of a tank

[wintry thistle]

Why would you think a arcade game would ever add that

[cosmic pilot]

an arcade game

[wintry thistle]

*arcade shooter

[cosmic pilot]

all i'm saying is if you dump an MG mag into a vision slit make the glass look a little cracked to the crew

[austere ivy]

Squad and Arma don't even have that mechanic

[cosmic pilot]

and people call them "milsim"

[austere ivy]

Exactly, and HLL isn't even as close to the level of those 2 are in "realism". It's a video game. It shouldn't be annoying to play. You can already barely see in tanks.

[thin lotus]

make your game a milsim with this one tedious trick!

[wintry thistle]

Honestly I’d think I’d prefer suppression over that

In any game

I guess it would be cool to have a health bar for the slits

But it should be pretty challenging to make any slit completely blind

[austere ivy]

Enlist at your local Army Recruiter today!

[cosmic pilot]

i'll do you one better, i would make it impossible to make anything completely blind

[wintry thistle]

That’s fair

[cosmic pilot]

you merely need to add the suggestion of impaired vision

the player in the tank feels heightened tension from a minor setback with some visual/auditory flash

the infantry on the outside feels like they're doing something and feels rewarded for having knowledge

the impact is actually minimal

everyone wins

[wintry thistle]

In S44 suppression is decently effective against tanks

[covert elbow]

Man suppression, what a concept

[real parrot]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HsbRSju9ghn0gklNxrF9V2fm0BFxv64r/view

I just remembered this old video I made to teach new players some tricks of shifting gears

Tricks that T17 took from us in the last tank update making all tanks have shty gears

[real parrot]

tbh in hll you see a lot in a tank, a single tank sees much more than 3 infantrymen on foot. The commander has a completely 360º 24 augment zoom fully stabilised magic camera, the gunner has like 12 zoom augments, and the driver is well, the driver. It still can see from the front

In other games like SQ44 the vision is a real factor for each diferent tank, and a really cool one to

With all the viewports and optics

[covert elbow]

Man I wish each tank had unique optics as well

Cause I think 90% of the tanks shouldn’t have the 360 periscope

[real parrot]

It would be really cool, but also make things much harder

The Tiger has this zoom optic with like 8x zoom for the commander, and I believe it was the most high tech zoom in the war

The Sherman also had this 360º periscope, but with no zoom ofc

A 360º 20x zoom vision is a thing only modern MBTs with whole as helo cameras remote stations has

And even like that they are not magically stabilised

But before making tanks harder, they need to nerf the damn PIAT

And rocket penetration in general

[austere ivy]

I see your points however to say the Spotter's camera is stabilized is inaccurate, you can't really focus on anything when the tank is bouncing and quick turning. The Gunners Optic is limited to wherever the gun is pointed and only has 3 zoom positions.

[real parrot]

bro, when the turret turns the camera is literally flying in the same spot

[austere ivy]

The camera is stabilized with the position of the tank. If you're on the move the camera follows that movement. I understand what you're saying but it's not as stabilized as you're saying.

[real parrot]

The thing is, its really noticeable when you play games without this, where the camera moves with the turret. Of course if the tank moves the camera would move, but horizontally and respect to the position, it won't move nothing at all

[cosmic pilot]

the commander's scope is not fixed to the rotation of the turret

it is also not stablized

it will pitch with the pitch of the tank

it also rotates with the tank hull

stabilization usually refers to pitch

[austere ivy]

I've played Squad 44, Squad, Arma Reforger and Arma 3. I'm aware of what the other games have to offer. I would also like to raise the fact that you can pop your head out of the tank in SQ44. In HLL you can't really do that, that's why there's the 360 camera. Now that doesn't run the risk of getting headshot from the cupola like in SQ44, but it's better than having nothing. If you want what SQ44 has to offer then play SQ44 if you want what HLL has to offer then play HLL

[covert elbow]

Well I’m on console so I guess I’m out of luck

[austere ivy]

RIP

[real parrot]

Nah I'm ok with Hll, or ratherm I would be ok with what we HAD, bring my Panther back

[austere ivy]

I miss the 4th gear turning

And the 1st gear turning in the Shermans

[real parrot]

Stabilization can be in all axis, and if in a gimbal turret also the third one, in this case the commander cammera is stabilised in the horizontal axis and with the turret

[real parrot]

US tanks still turns ok in 1st gear, but they took away the 2 to 1 shift trick

And most of the obstacles fast turn

[austere ivy]

I find reverse turning to be so bad now. It's like the tank doesn't want to

[real parrot]

Yeah reverse is as

It was a lot better before

[austere ivy]

And then the P4 and Tiger LOVE to flip with the most minor inconvenience

[real parrot]

The medium being able to eat a heavy AP shot and still be ok was a completely uncalled and bad move

Why the medium can stand a higher clas shot but not the light? or the Recon? Now the light is completely useless compared to the recon, specially the luchs

[austere ivy]

I don't mind it as much, let's me play with my food a bit before I scarf it down

[real parrot]

I had some mediums running from kitting, before they couldnt since they died on one shoot, and if a medium hits you on the side you lose, since he reloads faster

[lusty viper]

Dude used it today mid game and it's pretty accurate it seems

[slate canopy]

I mean more in terms of a website that shows it. Most people just play.

[austere ivy]

The Luchs was HEAVILY nerfed. It can't really kill the recons any more unless you hit turret and with the recons being lightning bolts it's annoying. And then it can really pen the Stuart and T70 from the side.

[real parrot]

Yup, luchs is worthless now

A single AT can kill from the front at 250m away and still have one shoot for another tank

[austere ivy]

They need to add skill shots and not just armor values

[real parrot]

If they add weakspots, they need to be either one shoot or clipping, because if the tank is kitting and well postitioned, you'll have no chance to hit that again

[cosmic pilot]

there was no all axis stabilization in ww2

[real parrot]

That is, until Hll came

[cosmic pilot]

it's not though 🙄

[austere ivy]

The Sherman had a very primitive main gun stabilizer

[cosmic pilot]

i know

[real parrot]

Only vertical tho

Horizontal is key

[cosmic pilot]

what do you mean horizontal

[austere ivy]

The tank moves horizontal

And vertical

[real parrot]

like the X axis?

Oposed to the Y axis

Or the Z one

That last one is a bit weird for tanks

[austere ivy]

The T34 can be killed by the Luchs. If you want more explanation, I can send you a clip in DMs.

[real parrot]

I'm contractually forced to deny that and all of any other such statements

T-34 is op as hell also

[austere ivy]

You know about the forbidden tech?

[cosmic pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413884910181285889/1478934809102389309/image.png?ex=69aa34df&is=69a8e35f&hm=ef91e88c2063d42ab9fb1d43faf2cf2a5533fcc2b646d824e35a6be00176ad3d&

[austere ivy]

It just can't turn

[lusty viper]

T-34 spam has always been the way

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[cosmic pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413884910181285889/1478934971032015001/image.png?ex=69aa3506&is=69a8e386&hm=225499965e3c01035112eb0980d3252a52272b664982d86f37bebd95053fe5e2&

[real parrot]

Yeah like, thats the Y axis

[austere ivy]

And aim down

[lusty viper]

All tanks back then did compared to now. Back then it was cutting edge

[real parrot]

Why spam, just one with good managment obliterates the enemy teams

[austere ivy]

Russians have no depression

[real parrot]

Thats, its not really how it works

[cosmic pilot]

horizontal would mean the camera remains fixed level with the horizon

[cosmic pilot]

then you're using the wrong word

[lusty viper]

Point is a Crack crew in a panther can get over run by t34 spam in semi competent coordination

[real parrot]

That is the Z axis

[cosmic pilot]

no

[lusty viper]

If they use one as bait

[real parrot]

Depends of range

[austere ivy]

3 v 1 or even 2 v 1 is enough

[cosmic pilot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413884910181285889/1478935483538215013/image.png?ex=69aa3580&is=69a8e400&hm=18af76223251067b5e27e7019e5bf048bc8e9b2891e02c724f3349c2a200d6d4&

[real parrot]

In close range the best Tiger Crew couldn't do anything against an equally good T-34 crew

[lusty viper]

My favorite video of all time we had a panther tiger panther convoy I gota get it from my old phone tho just got a new one

[real parrot]

Here, proof of it

[lusty viper]

I'm year 1 vet I just came back from a year and a half break

[real parrot]

https://medal.tv/es/games/hell-let-loose/clips/mdBl2UM0kamhq9zAb?invite=cr-MSwyZk4sMjEwMTIxMTUw&v=60

[austere ivy]

The Stuart is the best tank. Just about every time I 2 man that tank with my friend we kill a heavy

[lusty viper]

Depends if driver knows he can increase turret rotation steadily by dropping to 1st or 2nd and gearing back for left forward for right or vise versa

[real parrot]

They took that away

With US tanks

[cosmic pilot]

refute my picture

[real parrot]

Refute deez nuts

[lusty viper]

Bruh if u turn the tank left the gun turns with it if still what are u even talking about lol u can combine that if gunner is also turning

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[real parrot]

Oh I thought you meant dropping for 2 to 1st

Srry didnt read that throught

[lusty viper]

For gunner stability yeah. Drop it into 2nd or 1st gear

[lusty viper]

Bruh

[real parrot]

No, no, dropping from 2 to 1

That did gave you a speed boost before

#mess-hall message

[lusty viper]

Just came back from a year and half break

[austere ivy]

Even the best drivers in HLL get stuck

[real parrot]

here you can see it

[lusty viper]

I can attest this as a tank commander driver

[real parrot]

Even the best drivers end up with the tank in a river sometimes

[austere ivy]

The terrain never forgives and never forgets

[real parrot]

Yesterday we were on a Panther in PHL, and the driver didn't know the map very well

Long story short we end up drifting in front of a sherman and end up in a river

[austere ivy]

I absolutely despise PHL

[real parrot]

I like the road

Makes for good practise for new gunners

[austere ivy]

Then engi with mines and satchels would love to have a word

[real parrot]

Opossed to the SMDM Pierres farm road and its unholy poles

[real parrot]

mines not a problem, if I get satcheled on my side of the map I know it is time to flank the entire map and camp their HQ

[austere ivy]

A good live practice range for gunners is Kursk and El Alamein

[real parrot]

El Alamein yes, Kursk depends, if the enemy tanks are german or noobs, easy peasy, if they are experienced players with russian tanks, prepare to suffer

[austere ivy]

I've had great matches as Russian and German teams on Kursk

[real parrot]

I've had some of my best and worse matches in Kursk

[austere ivy]

I once 1 v 4ed on Kursk in an IS-1 against 2 Heavies, a P4 and a Puma

[real parrot]

I know a very dirty position where you are inmortal and the literal only way to kill you is with a satchel

[austere ivy]

And I once solo erased 2 IS-1s in a Puma.

[real parrot]

Not even a PS can kill you ther

[austere ivy]

Sheesh

[lusty viper]

Why even play like that

[frosty hamlet]

I got 7 kills in one session felt insane

[past vortex]

:O

[stiff creek]

is it possible to change your skin while in a match

i have a preset but every time i click it and then keep role it always revert back to preset 1

[analog apex]

it's the buggy UI - despite the Preset1 seems to be selected each time you enter that screen, the actual character should be wearing the skin of the other Preset you selected the last before

at the worst case you can check & verify that via looking at your sleeves in the 1st person view, to see if you are wearing what you meant to wear

if it's not the UI and you are talking about actual look of your guy (aka about being unable to switch uniforms/helmets/etc.), then it's something else I can't sadly give any input on

[fleet jacinth]

I have an issue where the German rifleman, and specifically only the German rifleman, will never save the preset, it always reverts to the default skin, face, etc. Weird af.

[stiff creek]

Yeah I was talking about my uniform, like my preset 1 is summer, preset 2 is winter, but when I click preset 2 and deploy he's still wearing preset 1

[real parrot]

I only use it when they spam AT guns

[glossy echo]

anything about juno beach?

[analog apex]

nope

[keen glen]

🥺

[analog apex]

It just so much doesn't make sense that they are doing the Canadians as a new faction, considering they may not have more than 1-2 maps (right now we have no idea about any other than Juno). In that case they could have done the Polish as a faction for Driel as well, which would be also a waste tbh. They should have done them both as subfactions at best or as a DLC skin at worst, but still one system for both. But this inconsistency is stupid.

The British as well as the Soviets are lacking mapCounts so much, yet the devs decide to make yet another faction. There is no any logic of the dev team visible at all. What good do the factions do if we have no maps to play them on?

[hot turret]

There are maps

its just that ppl only want to play SMDM, SME, Carentan, Omaha, UTAH

thats literally all they want to play

[analog apex]

I mean, yes there are possible maps for the Canadians, but that doesn't matter - Soviets and British are lacking and making another faction at this time was dumb.

[hot turret]

Also the game as of right now its just S H 1 T to play at with the amount of new players

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/fAsUQGuJeDm.gif

[hot turret]

no comms, no garrisons, no map control

[arctic rampart]

You new around here? kekw

[analog apex]

And let's not forget that their mapMaking pace is just 2 new maps per year.

[hot turret]

no but it gets worst every time

game was already PAINFUL to play a week ago for them to do another free weekdn

[arctic rampart]

No it doesn't. I got the game around the same time I joined this Discord. It's always been full of these noobs that ruin games. Nothing's changed.
It's always complete RNG on the battles, no matter the server, time of day, rules, admins etc.

Between every update, free weekend, yada yada.
There's always a flood of them, but even when there's a drought, there's still enough to ruin your game and thus the 30 minutes to an hour you've already invested in the match

[analog apex]

Yep, but as the time went by, I can hardly play any other roles than SL anymore. Because it's a guarantee otherwise I won't have OPs or talking SL at all.

[arctic rampart]

Exactly

I used to start with every other role, till I graduated to SL and then Commander. But when I got there, I essentially never went back. SL is by far my most played and I do like it, don't get me wrong.
But it doesn't change the fact that there's ALWAYS normies. And there's perfectly enough of them that they're arrogant, refuse to learn, will drop it within 2 weeks anyway thus spending time and thought on them is always a waste as well

It's essentially the same case trying to play any games with other Latvians. Same issues. They're all normies playing like 2 games and the ones that do play something else, play like 1x 20 minute match and then call it a night.

So instead I opted to just going in communities where I only have like-minded people.

[honest pecan]

Latvians?

[arctic rampart]

Currently in one that /mainly/ plays Reforger, but other things as well.
And I know if the boys come to play, we gonna play 3 hours striaght and then call it a night. Not a 20 minute match.

[arctic rampart]

Yeah.

[honest pecan]

Wdym

[hot turret]

tf does latvia have to do with anything

Anyways man, look, im always right, and the game is at its worst state to play

When was the last time u had a squad say "ill go back and defend"

[arctic rampart]

I'm just explaining my frustration with finding people from my, relatively small, country to play games with.

The ones that do play games, directly fall in line with the generalized term of "normie", the same "normies" we see and play with everyday in Hell Let Loose.

The same ones that ruin matches and think it's fine

[analog apex]

It's like trying to push a water in a bucket from one side to the other by hand - I want to destroy a tank, I need to take AT because the oblivious players are... oblivious and stupid. But then I won't have OP. When I take SL role, then I don't have a Support (which is one of my fav roles). And if I take Support, I have no SL to use the box.

The level of players' general incompentence and unwillingness to listen reaches lowest levels to date.

[hot turret]

Yup

Everyone always says "it will pass"

That moment is yet to come

And it doesnt get any better, if anything it has gotten worst

[analog apex]

Oh and I love being asked to build nodes by some random when I am the only one in the whole team who is capable of holding the enemies back from the point/area 😄 . Anyone can build nodes, but not all can kill the enemy and hold the ground. I leave, point lost 😄 .

[arctic rampart]

Damn, I can even translate a bit of chat that one of my buddies said a while ago. He sent me that he plays HLL sometimes and saw that I have quite a lot of hours on STEAM.

I told him that his image of the map is bum, since the garry placement is terrible.
He responded with the following:
"If the officer says we need to defend, I try to run back and defend, but delivering supplies, building nodes and spending half the game looking at the map, I am not interested in doing. I prefer just shooting in the direction of the enemy and hearing how the helmets get destroyed sometimes"

And this mfer doesn't even comm in the game. He's like 1:1 with the definition.

[arctic rampart]

It will never pass

I am still holding my position that most games are ruined because of the amount of normie players they attract

[hot turret]

id rather have 3 servers with ppl that want to play the game its supposed to

then have 100 server of 5-0 matches after 30 minutes

and the rules seeming to be no more than 2 garries at a time

[keen glen]

are u serious rn

[arctic rampart]

So literally the situation Battlefield as a whole is sitting in. Where most people prefer to go back to bf3 and 4, play on like 1 of 20 servers at peak times.

[hot turret]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry6-gustavo-fringe-haha-i-was-acting-gif-26854004

[arctic rampart]

Feels like we need a vetting process just to play games properly smh

In HLL that's a level requirement (at bare minimum)
In Battlefield that's simply playing on older titles that are invisible to the normies
In big MMO games that's playing on Private servers that use older version of the games
In GTA roleplay that's having a proper whitelist instead of being open to everyone

Just some examples I have off the top of my head

[hot turret]

tibia 7.6>

[arctic rampart]

Warmane, turtle wow >

LSRP > Gta 5 rp

This some legendary ball knowledge, iykyk

[torpid abyss]

guys, is hell let loose worth buying on steam?

i saw it is on sale on steam.

[analog apex]

Steam is usually the most stable/reliable HLL from my experience. EPIC as XBOX PC gamepass usually report not seeing servers in the list the most... for instance.

[torpid abyss]

i got it free on epic games by the way but i think i will rebuy it on steam.

because steam is better.

[analog apex]

If I would already have it, I would probably not buy it. Honestly HLL as it's broken in all its aspects is not worth the price.

But that's me.

[arctic rampart]

It's 12 euro on steam

[analog apex]

is it right now?

[arctic rampart]

Yeah apprently so

[analog apex]

not that bad then

[arctic rampart]

Couldn't chime in wether or not it's bad or not, not knowing the price 😄

[analog apex]

oh yep, 12,45€ ... that's pretty accessible

[arctic rampart]

last squeeze before HLL:V launch date announcement?

[analog apex]

any higher than 15€ I wouldn't buy

[torpid abyss]

well it is on sale currently, also it seems good, but is it buggy?

[hot turret]

no

walk simulator stay away

[analog apex]

HLL is very buggy yes, regardless the client.

just some clients have a few extra bugs here and there 😄

[arctic rampart]

I'd say surface level, maybe not. But if you play for like 700+ hours. You'll see quite a few cracks

[analog apex]

even much sooner

[arctic rampart]

Pretty much the same as Helldivers 2 right now

[torpid abyss]

then why do you play it?

[torpid abyss]

is helldivers 2 very buggy too?

[arctic rampart]

Yes

[analog apex]

No idea what's the game, never played it, I just know the name.

[arctic rampart]

HD2 is very, very buggy. Just the surface level, play 1 hour after work, normies, don't see it

[torpid abyss]

same.

[analog apex]

HD2... I have seen it a long time ago last... Hidden & Dangerous 2 😄

[hot turret]

I DONT

[analog apex]

But in HLL almsot everything you touch or use, is buggy.

[torpid abyss]

then why are you in this server?

[analog apex]

VFX, SFX, UI, hitreg, animations, code logic, keyboard/mouse input, asset hitboxes...

[arctic rampart]

@finite berry #mess-hall message

Broo, you have NO IDEA how bad Reforgers hit reg is

[torpid abyss]

also i plan to create a discord hell let loose community if i buy the game.

[arctic rampart]

Don't

[analog apex]

don't buy or don't make a community 😄

[torpid abyss]

is it a bad game?

[analog apex]

yes and no

a big deal of yes though

[arctic rampart]

I don't think it's straight up bad. But it has been lacking development in certain sides of it for a extended period of time.
Plagued by bugs that you'll start noticing the longer you play and a misheard community..

TLDR, just like 9/10 other games since like 2018

[analog apex]

HLL would be so great if the devs just cared to fix the bugs/problems and actually listened instead of pretending to listen and doing the exact opposite instead.

[nimble hemlock]

Can't make a post in #1270189497719586908, I hopped on a new laptop and my game was working fine for a day or two, now its showing me at level 1 and my kits are unlocked but I can't use them (just spawns me with the default kit). Could someone point me in the right direction please?

[arctic rampart]

So would Battlefield, CoD, World of Warcraft, and probably lots and lots of other games

[oak knoll]

how to find somenone to play with?

[arctic rampart]

Go in a server -> Speak with people -> Find someone you enjoy playing with -> Add them as a friend -> Message them another time when they're playing and join them

[novel geyser]

I imagine theyre doing the canadians to get around the problems still with the british loadouts and uniforms. Things like how driel should be airborne and that they have mkV stens
It would be out of place for any none airborne normandy maps for brits

[arctic rampart]

No clue cheese knight.
If it keeps happening over and over when you launch the game, just go contact support and #pray someone cares

[analog apex]

Let's take the most recent changes as an example...

• playerbase begged years for getting rid of** arty<>recon loop**, but the way the devs made the changes just deepened it
• many begged for dying and medics to matter, the devs respopnded they would make a mode for that where there would be tickets - but yet, they implemented it the way where dying still doesn't matter at all (maybe even less than in WARFARE or OFFENSIVE), nor the ammo. CONQUEST is just bad even at it's base.

[novel geyser]

Its alright all the good stuff will be in the new game 🙂
You want to buy the new game 🙂 🙂 🙂

[hot turret]

conquest is gonna be unplaable

[analog apex]

HLL is jailed behind bars made of bad legacy systems that the devs don't care nor want to change anymore. Most of all, the sector system **vs **spawnpoint placement logic **vs **strongpoint locations.

[arctic rampart]

Yeah I ain't a fan of the whole conquest thing either. Doesn't feel right for the game ngl. I hate tickets as a mechanic as well

[hot turret]

u cant even get 50 ppl to defend a point u think they will defend 5?

[novel geyser]

Ill judge conquest when it is out

[arctic rampart]

I want to buy a HOTAS

[nimble hemlock]

will do, is that just via their website?

[novel geyser]

Heroes of the awesome storm?

[analog apex]

I hate... only the global tickets systems 🙂 .

[keen glen]

If you push yourself a little harder you will realize it's just a game and winning isn't the only goal

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[arctic rampart]

No, that STICK YOU CAN GRIP REAL TIGHT for flying planes and stuff

[novel geyser]

Ooh flight stick

[keen glen]

[analog apex]

Deutschland Deutschland, uber alles...

...uber alles in HLL xD

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[finite berry]

Über alles. You're butchering my beautiful language :D

[analog apex]

Yeah I know, sorry I don't have that kind of characters on my keyboard.
EDIT: right there was also a typo I missed too, that one was on me xD

[hot turret]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-looser-gif-19097710

[arctic rampart]

He's just rage baiting

my bet is that he's a child from the uk. Often they are

[analog apex]

right, now... let's #1467137801983103163 😄

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-shrek-hat-tinfoil-hat-tinfoil-gif-3875013234316655688

[hot turret]

not everything is about where they are from u xenophobe

anyways game is sh it and they need to ban everyone under lvl 50

[torpid abyss]

guys, do you recommend me to buy hell let loose?

[finite berry]

ä, ö, ü, Ä, Ö, Ü, ß

There you go, you are now an expert at German. :D

Or at least you can fake it 'til you make it :D

[analog apex]

there are still the high LVL Bob the builders around...

[arctic rampart]

bruh

[thin scarab]

The worst Players

[arctic rampart]

^^^^^ trueeee

Should've legit just removed the server the second it came up

[analog apex]

it's basically cheating

[arctic rampart]

I mean, isn't it LITERALLY under the definition of it?

[analog apex]

full time matches with less than 50 kills/deaths should not be rewarded with XP or with 1vs20

[gentle lintel]

Easy way to get 10 flamethrower kills without dying though

How else would we get it

[analog apex]

the same way I did it... :/

[arctic rampart]

There's a gazillion checks that can be introduced to drastically reduce the amount of unfair xp farming activities

[analog apex]

killing and Supporting

[arctic rampart]

but lel who cares, we have hll:v around the corner

[analog apex]

RIP HLL

[arctic rampart]

Can't wait for NA players to join EU servers and start saying racial slurs against Vietnamese player models 🔥

[gentle lintel]

Yes yes of course, year 7 of rip HLL

[analog apex]

well, they can... should be banned nevertheless

[thin scarab]

Just hope we can Play Comp 🤣

[arctic rampart]

Already in HLL there are many NA and EU players that have wack af biases against playing with Asia players.

T17: Lets make a game out of it

[analog apex]

yeah, probably not... but it will definitely have a negative effects on the playerCounts of HLL1
eager to see how much

[thin scarab]

If the Game is somewhat ok then Yes the HLL WW2 playerbase will Drop allot

[gentle lintel]

Think that’s how the irl war started as well

Or aliens

[arctic rampart]

The one thing I am most wondering about is how they'll deal with all the foliage present in a Jungle terrain.

Last time I checked, there's only like a few games I can recall that have done foliage perfectly. Aka not just visuals, but the fact that they're there for all players, no setting changes screw with them or nothing.

Now we have HLL, where a good part of the foliage disappears with lower settings, but we're gonna make that into a game.
1 guy sees 20 trees and 40 bushes and ferns.
2nd guy sees 3 trees and 2 bushes w/o any ferns or grass.

Either because he's 15 and playing on a 200euro pc or it's because he's on console.

Sounds fair and fun

[hot turret]

no

[analog apex]

very depends on how well HLL:V will be doing... if it sucks in most of current HLL1 playerbase, HLL1 may get dead or on life support

which would mark the end of my HLL career 🙁

[finite berry]

I don't think the player count will drop that much

[analog apex]

maybe yes, maybe not - anything can happen right now, we will see when we will get there

but it can very well mean end of several communities, maybe even major ones... in case the playerCounts would go low enough

we have only speculations for now