mess-hall

[faint portal]

that is legit 1 person per objective what do you mean fine LOL

[cosmic pilot]

Technically it should balance out.
If a team is behind and only holds 2 points they have less to defend and can commit more to the attack

[native sand]

Its more there mainstreaming the game into a dynamic that is boring.
They are taking what made this game great away from it, why it beat post scriptum back in the day.

[wooden cloud]

Right now I think next step is try it with just 3 points and see how it plays

5 points was so busy

[cosmic pilot]

They are not taking away anything, warfare will still exist

[finite berry]

Like? Sorry, I can't participate in the playtest, so I know nothing about it 🙂

[echo karma]

Tanking will be very dominate too

[analog apex]

at which point it will be so close to mix of warfare and skirmish, that nobody will care... better play the original warfare instead

[faint portal]

i thought that too, it really isnt. armor takes far too long to move

[cosmic pilot]

People are so damn addicted to doing the same thing in a warfare match over and over again

[finite berry]

And what are they taking away, specifically?

[cosmic pilot]

Busy is good

[wooden cloud]

Oh you're good. At the end of the day Im just asking myself whats the point of it. If I want to play HLL, I want to play something that feels like hll

[wooden cloud]

Busy is boring

[cosmic pilot]

Explain

[wooden cloud]

Spreading the game out is like 10v10 on most points

[native sand]

Yes but moving more away from the mechanics that made the game such a unique game. Normally its all about money, which I can see. This will bring a lot of players who dont understand how to play into the game because its very easy to understand and a smaller learning curve.

[cyan saddle]

Seemed pretty good overall. Garrisons being removed on cap like they usually do felt incredibly harsh in this gamemode though. The objectives could also be a little closer together imo. Maybe in a 2-1-2 setup as opposed to 1-3-1.

[echo karma]

Bassicly if you cap a side point and there mid and central that's a wrap no?

[fervent dagger]

As in keep the 3 middle ones like it was currently? Or do you think you'd prefer it if it was pushed more to the sides instead of the middle. I'm torn personally

[cosmic pilot]

Sounds about right

[wooden cloud]

I like HLL when its 100 players all focused on 1-2 parts of the map

[finite berry]

I know that sentiment pretty well. It's Stockholm syndrome like; people are addicted to objectively bad slop because they've played it for years

[cosmic pilot]

Consider, you have a game mode for that.
Skirmish

[echo karma]

Commander has alot of work to do too

[wooden cloud]

Not sure to be honest. Its hard to say if just using the same points in warfare and what not

[finite berry]

Yes, but WHAT mechanics? You are mentioning over and over again that they are moving away from "what made HLL great", yet never elaborate on what SPECIFICALLY they're taking away

[wooden cloud]

i would love skirmish with tickets

[cosmic pilot]

Pointless but ok

[wooden cloud]

skirmish is just pointless for 28 min right now

[finite berry]

Hell yeah, Ninja is here to give his verdict :D

[echo karma]

There's bassicly no Frontline. Everyone is split

[wooden cloud]

King of the hill would be pretty fun. Skirmish just has no win condition atm

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest being what it is to fill a different niche is fine

[faint portal]

absolutely the biggest problem in conquest imo

[echo karma]

Recon back capping gonna be nasty

[covert elbow]

From someone’s only observed, the new morale system seems fairly solid but needs a bit of tweaking Altough I really don’t care for the mode itself. HLL’s playerbase isn’t the brightest and most of the game end up being a game of who can run at the objective the fastest so i genuinely have no clue what to make of the mode until it releases

[cosmic pilot]

It's also not fair to expect people to figure out how to play it optimally in 2 days

[faint portal]

also i think there was a bug... its supposed to cap like warfare, but it was capping like offensive

[echo karma]

Spawn camping gonna be a major issue

[covert elbow]

I’m just hoping they bring the morale system into the other gamemodes with local tickets

[cosmic pilot]

Wdyn

[fervent dagger]

I was under the assumption that people wouldn't redeploy as much, but that didn't seem to be the case.

[cosmic pilot]

The circle cap only seems intentional to me

[faint portal]

i was told by devs that cap should work like warfare, but it does not

[wooden cloud]

It didnt feel like tickets mattered for deaths at all

[cosmic pilot]

Why didn't they tell me that

[native sand]

For this one sector based control to ticket cap points.

Don't get me started on all the changes.
The worst one in this game was the sprint speed and foliage collision.

[cosmic pilot]

I have the best opinions

[echo karma]

What does manpower do? Is it worthless now?

[analog apex]

another thing I had to learn by myself and forget what the devBrief said

[covert elbow]

I mean with how large the maps are the game kind of needs it. Spreading out 100 players on a 2k map doesn’t seem like a good idea

[finite berry]

Unpopular opinion, but I like the idea of tickets, although a simple global limit isn't the best way to do it imo

[fervent dagger]

Yeah it seemed hard to tell. I'd be really curious to see like a breakdown of how many tickets were lost from deaths vs the objectives.

[wooden cloud]

Yup and you really feel it with 5 active points at once

[analog apex]

I wouldn't have a problem with that one.

[covert elbow]

I just wish the devs would focus on updating and refining existing mechanics. Skirmish isn’t played and I don’t think conquest will be either

[cosmic pilot]

Global ticket game mode just updates the game to conventions invented in 2005

[echo karma]

60 a minute is harsh with how long it takes to get to objectives no?

[covert elbow]

The game needs a lot of help so adding more stuff is doing much

[hard whale]

I can't wait to try on Xbox

[finite berry]

That most likely will be the case, yeah

[echo karma]

I assume nobody defends either too

[cosmic pilot]

This is fine

[faint portal]

yeah 100% im reading "players inside the strong point contribute three times the cap weight. Pleasers inside the surrounding cap area contribute standard cap weight"

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest feels like offensive but both teams only have to attack

[analog apex]

maybe you won't
like the OBJECTIVE mode, this one may never see the light of the full client world and stay in the testing only as well

[echo karma]

It's easier to defend in battflield games cuz you can just spawn on objective being taken

[fervent dagger]

I guess because this is a new gamemode people are playing it differently to what is optimal? No meta strats yet

[covert elbow]

If they want tickets to matter it should absolutely be tied to garrisons and OP’s instead of a global pool. That way people have to think about placing new spawns when old ones run dry

[cosmic pilot]

Nah, the bugged version is better

[analog apex]

yep, totally wrong what they say in there

[echo karma]

Meta seems to hold both side objectives and build deep flank garrisons

[finite berry]

That sounds like a good idea imo

[faint portal]

i think a major focus on "keeping your team together" is super important. this turned into just a bunch of ppl randomly around the map, no one playing together

[wooden cloud]

Its funny because you would think with 5 points it would encourage attacking, but to win it's just who ever defends

[analog apex]

I noticed when I saw an enemy inside the sector but no red chevron and realized it's gotta be like in OFFENSIVE

[cosmic pilot]

Consider, how rare that is to actually see in a warfare game

[faint portal]

also hot take: garrys should not wipe after cap is taken, & obj should be brought down to center 3 only

[faint portal]

yeah, def bugged

[echo karma]

The side objectives being that dominate is scary. There's like no neutral ground

[cosmic pilot]

That's just one of the shelved skirmish modes

[faint portal]

yeah, 800 m of no spawns LOL

that's why i think those should go away tbh

[hard whale]

I agree with you I can't wait for it to come out

[covert elbow]

That’s the other issue. They made sure to hammer home that commanders and squad leaders need to coordinate and plan together when that simply doesn’t exist in HLL anymore. We have a playerbase and meta where teamwork went out the window a long time ago. Commanders just herd sheep instead of soldiers

[cosmic pilot]

There is a rationale for those being the way they are

[wooden cloud]

Objective mode had so much potential Im very bummed that died. Felt like it had a positive reception

[vast orchid]

Yeah but then that wouldn't appeal to the COD users

[covert elbow]

This kind of gamemode doesn’t work for HLL and should be scrapped with efforts to refine and help Warfare and Offensive taking priority in gamemodes. Once those are in a better spot then they can do new modes

[faint portal]

hahaha it do be sheep hearding alot of the time

[analog apex]

OBJECTIVE shouldn't have been a gamemode, but physical objectives inside the OFFENSIVE instead

[echo karma]

Gebatron will find the meta

[wooden cloud]

Agreed 10000%

[covert elbow]

Mold it in with offensive mode I beg

[wooden cloud]

Id kill for this

[faint portal]

what i DO like is the fact that we know now they can change default spawns.

HT's should be default in all game modes imo at each HQ

[echo karma]

Basically is offensive mode except Frontline is enemy spawn

[covert elbow]

“HT’s”?

[faint portal]

Halftracks 🙂

[covert elbow]

Oh they are in each spawn?

Hell yea

[faint portal]

no, instead they put jeeps... LOL

[covert elbow]

[faint portal]

BUT, if they can put jeeps we now know that can be changed hahaha

[echo karma]

Ht very oppressive too now

[covert elbow]

I mean that was needed…

[analog apex]

I would see no problem here... since even default spawn vehicles don't spawn if there is not enough fuel for them (although they don't take any). But maybe a cooldown for those should be longer.

[fervent dagger]

In the dev video they did mention potential catch up mechanics. Be interesting to see if those get implemented. I only got to play one game but that felt pretty even either way.

[cosmic pilot]

you stole this take from me 😛

[thin lotus]

you WILL teleport to where you need to be.
you WILL like it

[faint portal]

dude, imo could never go without too many spawns

would help starting game with "new" pub teams etc

[covert elbow]

Honestly making the middle spawn a halftrack, upper a Jeep, and then idk lower being a SPA would be nice

[echo karma]

A casual team that doesn't defend ever idk. I think game is over like 20mins

[cobalt peak]

but if they swap the jeeps out how else am i gonna flare spam at the start of the match while zooming to different points to flare up

[cosmic pilot]

ironically, conquest enables this more than warfare 🤭
and therefore, is more true to the HLL experience

[faint portal]

3 halfys take it or leave it bb

[cosmic pilot]

I AM NOT WRONG

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/shot-pull-the-trigger-flare-gun-mad-the-i-land-gif-15014923

[covert elbow]

Oh another thing, if they do keep the tickets they need to make like a 20m radius around garrisons where if you redeploy you don’t take a ticket up

[cobalt peak]

On that foy match i popped so many flares utilizing the jeeps lol

[covert elbow]

Cause redeploying is essential to gameplay

[echo karma]

Yup. For recon and commander

[cosmic pilot]

nah, the game punishing you for it's bad design is good

[faint portal]

oh snap good point

[covert elbow]

God I’d wish they’d rework flares already but I know they won’t

[analog apex]

can't work because of the balance and initial chances to cap the midPoint. For one team, they could get closest to their 2nd point a jeep, while the other team could have a transport track there.
would need to be dynamic and change based on what the status is

[cosmic pilot]

people will then realize it's a bad design

[echo karma]

Being penalized for redeploy is a huge issue too

[cosmic pilot]

then there's two options, players clammer to remove the bad mechanic, or to remove the punishment

[covert elbow]

Just make it so if a flare is fired it makes a radius where artillery has more accuracy or something instead of the broken spotting

[fervent dagger]

In theory, if redeployes didn't take tickets, could you cheese it by redeploying right before death? Probably not lol unless you got ultra instinct right?

[echo karma]

Also splitting the team to cap 3 points is iffy no? Your forward garrisons can only be placed on your 1st point

[faint portal]

redeploy doesnt count in warfare atm so its just either you die by yourself or if bleeding out whatever hit you prior to death

[covert elbow]

Fair. Maybe instead of default vehicles in the pregame the commander can spawn 1 extra vehicle per HQ for whatever’s needed on top of the default transport and supply truck

[echo karma]

How balanced is airhead tho?

[covert elbow]

It’s always been broken?

[faint portal]

not very atm bc the cool down is so long lol

[echo karma]

So commander abilities not adjusted gotcha

[cobalt peak]

I think for conquest maybe drop the cooldown a bit for commander abilities as your no longer just fighting/defending 2 specific areas

[covert elbow]

I still don’t get the people who think airheads are balanced or not good. 80% of my games nowadays have airheads being used to capture at least 2 objectives per game

[analog apex]

Redeployment is implemented very badly.

1. It's instant - some players instead of letting the enemy to kill them, just hit the redeploy standing before an enemy tank. Or the tankers themselves so their death won't count as getting killed.
2. It's unlimited - can spam it over and over with no real punishment.

I would suggest it to work this way

• we click and confirm redeployment and then our character stands defensless for 10s, after which we die. There will be no extra 10s on the deathscreen, they woudl be moved to the time before dying.
• if we or our vehicle we are sitting in get hit, the redeployment gets cancelled
• redeployment should have a cooldown preventing from being spammed, at least 5 minutes

[echo karma]

That 1st bombing run is a guaranteed gary no?

[covert elbow]

That’s a good way of doing it

[echo karma]

Yeah death timer no horrendous? You mostly redeploy when your downed?

[analog apex]

no problem with that as we are already downed, I am talking however about the situations when the player is still alive

[covert elbow]

Also side note, remove the 10s death counter when you die already. If I have to wait for my spawn point timer then why am I forced to wait as well when I die

[echo karma]

Only other instance is AT?

Maybe commander but won't add up that much in 1k tickets

[cosmic pilot]

conterpoint, eliminate all the wonky spots on the map so there's no risk of getting stuck in terrain and then remove the redeploy button

[echo karma]

AT is the only one spamming redeploy for rockets

[analog apex]

no, the other isntances I have seen x times already - I see a a tank is about to be destroyed and its crew gets a stroke. Or a guy that is about to be killed by a tank, hits the redeploy instead. Just a few examples.

[cosmic pilot]

the only real justification of having a crill yourself button is to accommodate bugs where the player gets stuck

[analog apex]

the thing is, redeployment doesn't count as a death in the rcon and some peeps use that to better their stats (for less deaths even if they would have get killed or for a better killstreak as it won't get interrupted with a suicide/redeployment in the RCON terms)
this kind of redeployment abuse is mostly usually done by the comp players

[echo karma]

They'd have to make it detect damage somehow but I doubt they could do that tbh

[cosmic pilot]

letting it influence gameplay is lazy on the part of the devs

[covert elbow]

HLL’s devs being lazy? I never would have thought that

But yea, conquest. A mode that doesn’t work with HLL’s mechanics or playerbase but has a couple of good ideas like the ticket system and having multiple objectives. I really hope they just scrap the mode but I know they won’t because they put money into it and they can’t just scrap something they’ve been working on for a while (see SPA’s)

[analog apex]

base ideas good as usually, the implementation is however as usually equally bad

also because of the other connected systems that don't work well

[covert elbow]

It’s the damnest thing ain’t it

Like they have good ideas and concepts and then fumble it so incredibly hard consistently

[pine ember]

And of course new skins will be added too

[analog apex]

yeah, it's been like that with the OBJECTIVE as well

[covert elbow]

Also this. Idk why people just want to ignore the fact that HLL’s base systems go against even eachother and need help

Like we can’t add new stuff because of existing stuff

If they want a new gamemode focusing on teamwork then where’s the tutorial making sure people understand how to work as a team?

[pine ember]

subfactions

[covert elbow]

If they don’t want us redeploying then where’s the incentive not to? Ticket drain? That’s not enough at all

[analog apex]

I would love to stay and chat, but gotta go to bed, I am pretty tired. See ya guys tomorrow.

[covert elbow]

See ya Sam

[pine ember]

Good Night

[finite berry]

Sleep well

[thin lotus]

dream of hll so you can be annoyed already upon waking

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laughing-gif-23223142

[slate canopy]

Did you see my in-game shots?

[covert elbow]

I did

They look atrocious

In both what it actually is and what it represents

I swear this company cares more about finding new ways to monetize the game rather than actually solving long standing issues

[past vortex]

i mean they are only partially to blame
like how no one is talking about the anti qol... they have to think its no concern

<@&365680483276816385> can you pls do something about goobo clown reacting a lot

its just one thing, he is a troll

[modern solstice]

move on

[covert elbow]

What’s the anti QOL?

[icy plank]

Usually power cuts

[twin marten]

Guys, if German soldier got MIA (75% chances he died) during battle on eastern front he would be buried somewhere in Russia, Germany or some “mass” grave?

[past vortex]

scoreboard randomly sorted and centered
role select jumps a notch now
etc

unselectable things on map block selection....

[obtuse dragon]

the latest DLC is unusable on epic

[covert elbow]

That’s hilarious

[nova pivot]

Good night ❤️

[obtuse dragon]

one of the paid DLC faces has been bugged for months

[covert elbow]

And people are excited for Vietnam

[nova pivot]

Yes a German dude

[obtuse dragon]

On one side it's hilarious on the other side it's been a week and I'm still unable to use the content that i paid for

And like, the devs instead of fixing bugs keep promising more and more stuff to the point that they forget completely about the things we've seen before like the objectives gamemode

[pine ember]

Jürgen?

[past vortex]

you could ask epic

[nova pivot]

I think it is the one from the elsenborn DLC

[nova pivot]

☝️

[obtuse dragon]

Tried and the bot told me a ton of fixes

Fixes that I already tried and didn't worked

[obtuse dragon]

He looks like a PS2 character even though the devs did no changes to his face... I think

Unless they did some undocumented change and then forgot to fix his textures

[covert elbow]

Nah it’s just funny

Laugh at the corporations incompetence

[past vortex]

i meant the support, for a refund/pressure

[wintry thistle]

MIA means the death isn't confirmed, meaning no body was found

So very likely buried near where he died. So in the USSR

[regal wigeon]

Does anyone know how I get in touch with admin? Got a message that I had to join the discord or id be kicked for having the dawg tag, and then was kicked and had my VIP taken :/

[slate canopy]

Are you talkin of a community server?

[regal wigeon]

It's the DAWG division public server that's playing warfare on karkov rn

I just got my second kick idk if I should just wait a second so I don't get banned

[slate canopy]

You should go to their discord and sort it out. We don't control the community servers.

[regal wigeon]

Smh my bad I thought that I was in that discord. Thank you lmao

[slate canopy]

Nope, this is the official HLL discord. This seeding ad has their discord tho: #console-seeding-help message

[vital hornet]

Anyone have any good groups to join?

[slate canopy]

Take a look at the ads in #1343089641489961001

[vital hornet]

K thanks

[vestal narwhal]

When i try to launch the game, it runs dramatically slow going into the main menu. to the point i cant do anything at all. any suggestions?

[slate canopy]

SSD or HDD?

[vestal narwhal]

SSD

[slate canopy]

CPU/GPU?

[vestal narwhal]

5600x, 32ram, 3070 ultra

[slate canopy]

Hmm just like mine minus the ultra part.

First time playing?

Any launch options?

[vestal narwhal]

not firs time playing, but firs ttime having this issue

[slate canopy]

Maybe verify the integrity of your game.

[vestal narwhal]

Reinstalled it a couple days ago and keep having the same problem. verifying now. then ill try again.

[vestal narwhal]

same thing. went to nvidia and optimized the settings before starting it up. same result

[crude slate]

It happends to me recently, sort of Hang situation. but after restart game its all good

the other day, I dint got stuck in lobby, but Right before enntering Match.

The game is not Hang, but I cant do anything too (stuck on the screen without able to use keyboard or mouse but the game runnning).

[gleaming plank]

Yuh

[crude slate]

BRO WE NEED MOTORCYCLE

[pine ember]

We need a fixed Game

[real parrot]

We need a game

[amber eagle]

game lost imsersivnes because nothing new was added

[mellow knoll]

lol the immersiveness was lost a while ago

[novel geyser]

imsersivnes

[pine ember]

Thats not the reason

[amber eagle]

you say? , for me atleast having the same thing with nothing new added , kinda lost it

[pine ember]

Just because there is no new content doesnt mean it lost immersiveness

Sure its boring to play SME the 100th time

But the game lost immersiveness mostly because it got too casual and too far away from what it was originally intended

[amber eagle]

on the imersive part i meant , didnt meant new maps or factions or blabla , something on the playermodels , some new SFX sounds when you die , this kinds

[pine ember]

We got things like that though

But not for the better

[mellow knoll]

We did, even if they have issues

[amber eagle]

yeah? when? i didnt play this game for a year only at new patches i'm coming back for like one month

what was the last imersive update we got?

[pine ember]

Hell let loose has one main issue: It got too accessible (which isnt a bad thing) but many new players dont understand the core elements of this game

[pine ember]

Depends what you define as "immersive"

[amber eagle]

OH WAIT I REMEMBER , THE MORE TIMES LIKE DAWN/DUSK MAPS VARIATIONS ,and the wind efects on el almein and ridgeborn map or what was the map

[pine ember]

I'd say the last one is pretty immersive too

[amber eagle]

last immersive thing i remember this game got was when the player models got a new running animation and can see some grenades on the model

[pine ember]

But still we have that main issue that isnt fixed and probably never will be

[amber eagle]

the communication?

[pine ember]

Hell that skin looked so bad

[mellow knoll]

You're talking about the winters?

Honestly I've seen much worse lol

[pine ember]

Yep, and overall catering more to the casual masses without remembering the games origins

[pine ember]

The Volksgrenadier and the field shirt

[mellow knoll]

I thought it looked okay tbh

[pine ember]

No German soldier would run around on a battlefield in a shirt and and A-frame with nothing on it

[mellow knoll]

Regarding the volksgrenadier I mean

[pine ember]

And the Volksgrenadier is just a remodeled version, has the same issues, the camo pattern is a bit off too (its Splitter 41, not 31), and it has suspenders over the Parka which wouldnt even have been possible

That skin was just lazy

[amber eagle]

bros just face it , team17 ruined it

[mellow knoll]

Well, this is what happens when they don't have someone knowledgable on their team who's making these calls

If they commission someone to make a uniform, they should at least make sure it's correct lmao

[pine ember]

And thats why I have problems with DLC, apparently they dont even bother to give us something new, unique and accurate

[pine ember]

Yea, they could fix it but they didnt

[mellow knoll]

I can think of a few that's unique and new

[pine ember]

Yes, and then I would have no problem with DLC and even would consider buying it

[amber eagle]

🙁 yeah......my heart breaks everytime i think of hell let loose , it was my favorite game of all time

[pine ember]

But thats just on a BFV level

[pine ember]

Which ones?

[amber eagle]

1600+ hours in it with full dedication in it , but the last 400/500 were.....damn

[pine ember]

Yea, seeing its downfall was hard, but its just a game

[amber eagle]

true that brodda

[pine ember]

Same, honestly I just pick rifleman, tap out the enemy blueberries and carry my team and have my "fun"

Depends on the server, there are still servers up where almost anyone talks

Those are still great

[mellow knoll]

Honestly I think the best ones they've made so far are:

1. Luftwaffe Field Division
2. Luftwaffe Fallchirmjager
3. Rauchtarnmuster
4. Platanenmuster
5. Pea Dot
6. Winter SS Sheepskin

The rest are either shite or mid or should not exist.

[pine ember]

1. Field division has two iron crosses and isnt that accurate to have in the game
2. That DLC looks good but came with a lot of hate
3. We dont have the Rauchtarn do we? Do you mean the Oak Leaf?
4. Agreed
5. That thing sadly reuses the model of the Heer veteran, and looks kinda "waxy" in first person. Also the gun dissappears in your sleeve
6. Agreed

I'd say the best DLC they made is the Oak Leaf, Platanenmuster and the Red Devils

[mellow knoll]

Now now I never said they were perfect, I said they were the best ones we have at the moment quality wise

[mellow knoll]

Ye oak leaf sry

[pine ember]

Yea, the other ones look even worse

[pine ember]

NP, they can easily be mixed up

[mellow knoll]

I love the field division but the double crosses can really ruin it lol

I said it when it released

Even reported it as an issue but ofc due to laziness they never fixed it, like anything I report

[pine ember]

But they fixed the Cossack because one remembered user asked for it

[mellow knoll]

Reported the incorrect zeltbahn wrap on the backs of all the SS uniforms, not fixed. Reported the double cross on the field division, not fixed.

It would've been so easy to fix if they actually cared

[pine ember]

They care but only about certain people apparently

[lucid gazelle]

mod tools?

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1430134647253373009/YeetBerg-BaseballHit.gif

[lucid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[novel geyser]

Red devils is one of the best dlcs imo
The biggest problem is it shouldn't be dlc

[nova pivot]

The armour for the soviets is okay too

[left knot]

So true it looks really nice

We need skins for heavy tanks

[novel geyser]

I forget they added tank skins

[carmine vigil]

Are only official servers filled with hackers today ?

[worthy charm]

Only?

[gentle lintel]

Usually the case

Willes and I did not time that I promise

[worthy charm]

Im not here enough to time anything anymore

[slate canopy]

No one moderates it. Sooo yeah. Play community servers.

[carmine vigil]

Dunno I never encounter hackers but today played 2 games and there was at least one in each

[slate canopy]

I have only had 2 but I was on community so I could go to their discord or do "!admin" and someone took care of it

I am just short of 1000 hours

[native plover]

These are great

[crude slate]

30k exp as artilery

[clever thorn]

playing with a controller on pc and ykw? having no aim assist feels strangely liberating

sure i suck with bolt actions in one on one fights but give me a machine gun or semi auto i'm your guy for suppressive fire

[novel geyser]

I could cry
a pub game on offensive and team knows how to defend properly

a rare sight

[clever thorn]

cinema

[frank ocean]

have they messed with the shooting? Seems the aim is lower than usual? anyone else notice this?

[bronze tree]

This reminds me of a match I had yesterday where it was pretty much just my squad attacking while pretty much the entire rest of the team defending and somehow losing it

[cosmic pilot]

Common sight, a team on offensive that doesn't know how to attack properly

[novel geyser]

it always seems to go both ways

[novel geyser]

do uh, arty players just not show up on the map

[vocal marten]

I haven't really seen artillery getting used as much.

[cosmic pilot]

It's too annoying to use

[left knot]

It’s only good in the opening or periodically when you need it. If you sit on it for a long time then you just get spam killed. They can also now blow up the damn gun forcing you to drop supplies and rebuild it. Also only the person who built it can use it so if they hop off I think it’s just locked to them still lol

[covert elbow]

I’m still disappointed that they released the artillery rework and SPA’s at all

Like the overwhelming community response was “don’t add this” yet they still did

It was and has been

They took a horrible route with arty

[pine ember]

Just remove it once and for all

[left knot]

Do you mean the update or entirely

[covert elbow]

Yes

We already have the addition of commander artillery so they need to be removed now

If the devs want player fire support they need to add limited range mortars

All they did with artillery was make it a pain to make but didn’t fix any of the actual issues regarding artillery

[pine ember]

Artillery

[novel geyser]

making the arty destroyable was never a valid option to improve the recon arty loop

[pine ember]

It should be a Commander ability only, better yet remove it at all

[cosmic pilot]

The loop is still there, just how annoying it is was shifted to make it so recon has a better time of it

[novel geyser]

precisely why it was never a valid option

[covert elbow]

For the love of good add deployable mortars with limited ammunition I beg

Could start the squad overhaul as well

[novel geyser]

dying for squad overhaul

infantry squads dont need every role under the sun

[covert elbow]

Begging on my hands and knees

Give me independence roles that don’t need a squad and specified squad types I beg

Rifle squads, MG squads, mortar squads, engineering units, medics

Something to. Balance out the weapons and roles

And for the love of god limit rocket launchers

[real parrot]

Today we were holding the last point with an SPA on the HQ using it as an SPG, the enemy would launch a rocket at like 150 meters and I would blow the sht out of them, this continued until I got 4 different rockets per second at me and the engineer reping me couldn't keep it

[novel geyser]

lol

AT spam moment

and the fact there is no sight adjustment so people just have to eye it is funny

[covert elbow]

Sounds like a blast haha

How far is the range when you just use the tank in its correct role?

[fervent dagger]

From messing around it's literally any range within the 600m. You just have to eyeball it a bit

[covert elbow]

Don’t the shots start to drop down vertically after a certain point?

[fervent dagger]

They do, so you still have to lead it a bit. If your talking straight shots I'd say about 180 ish metres

[covert elbow]

That’s what I was talking

[novel geyser]

shouldve just been assault guns

gates of hell taught me the missed potential of the churchill avre in HLL

[fervent dagger]

melee nuke

[novel geyser]

it would basically be an impact satchel launcher in hll

which would be awesome

[covert elbow]

This

The arty rework should have been scrapped and the tanks put on the back burner until they were made in to their correct versions

[novel geyser]

they still havent fixed player gibbing

[covert elbow]

A gore update in general would be super nice

[novel geyser]

it was a good while before soviets even had their own gib models

they used to just turn into US guys when blown up lol

[covert elbow]

That’s funny haha

[novel geyser]

but now gibbing is just fully broken and worse than it used to be

[covert elbow]

Yea

Seeing a guy split into 4 with a concussive grenade or shotgun really just takes it out of you

[cosmic pilot]

It's always been that way

[covert elbow]

And?

[cosmic pilot]

People who want accurate gore are weird

[novel geyser]

not that weird
if you like, obsess over it and start asking for gore beyond what is particularly reasonable, then its weird

I just dont want people falling into lego blocks when hit by a grenade

because it looks weird

[covert elbow]

That

And if you get hit with a grenade then have your player model get an accurate representation of it

[twin girder]

if ibuild nodes then switch teams do i still get the XP

[zealous hound]

do we have an estimated time for when vietnam comes out

[finite berry]

No, nothing specific

[slate canopy]

Get the Vietnam role in id:customize and keep an eye on #sit-reps for annoucenments.

[empty steppe]

After gta 6

So never

[zealous hound]

fair

[left knot]

Before gta6

[delicate sphinx]

I can’t believe GTA 6 is coming out before HLL Vietnam

Both games gonna be fire tho so idrc

[lucid gazelle]

mod tools?

[charred anvil]

Can we please bring back the place friendly op marker?

[cosmic pilot]

the beta branch system is a joke

[glacial whale]

hi guys! im a brand noob player 🙂

[slate canopy]

Welcome soldier

[glacial whale]

glad to be here...now what do i do? lol im still waiting for the game to fininsh downloading. in the online thingy but i dont see any active games.

btw this game is on sale for 75% off right now and i listen shange gillis and stuff island boys talk about it all the time so i figured what the hell

[slate canopy]

Have you seen any gameplay?

[glacial whale]

im on the public testing haha

just the practice range and wathcing a video off this server on noob play

[slate canopy]

Oh... well

You want to uninstall that.

[glacial whale]

please polarbear with me

[slate canopy]

We don't use Public Testing version anymore.

[glacial whale]

roger!

[slate canopy]

You want the top one installed.

If you want to do some testing like public testing, there is 2 version in the settings.

[glacial whale]

btw im a former 82nd airborne paratrooper but im only 44 so i'm from the former ussr

we're at about 59%

nice to meet ya'll

is this name cool? 😭

[slate canopy]

I mean... whatever you want? 🤷‍♀️ As long as it's appropriate and dont' break our rules

[glacial whale]

i figured this was funny

but please let me know and im happy to change it. btw the game just finished installing yay

[slate canopy]

👍 If you have questions, feel free to ask

[glacial whale]

are you sure? im going to ask a lot of questions 😭 😅

[slate canopy]

Of course.

[cosmic pilot]

He can call himself a winner but I can't post a meme about hll in the messhall? 🤨

I am never getting over this btw

[slate canopy]

We have #hll-memes . Use it 😉

[glacial whale]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jOpLbiGmHR9S0

oops wrong chat

[glacial whale]

Does it matter which server I join?

[tired ingot]

sort by ping then join a community server. There'll be a queue to join full servers, otherwise join one with less players or even seeding below a certain number of players. Otherwise jump on in

[slate canopy]

I recommend community for sure. No moderators/admins on official, so it's a bit of a wild west.

Play as assault or rifleman to get use to th e game.

[alpine frigate]

It would be so fun if we had proximity chat for everyone not just teammates

[slate canopy]

Ehh I don't want to hear the other team close

[upbeat depot]

A RP server with this would be funny af

[clever thorn]

Good evening chat

[upbeat depot]

50 Americans vs 50 Actual Germans with proximity

[slate canopy]

I once had VC glitch and we had a guy from Germans in my squad chat.

We met up at the end of the match, we joked it was "spy" class.

(He couldn't hear his team, could only hear our squad)

[upbeat depot]

Are you able to send YT links in here?

[slate canopy]

I can, but I'd say any clips post in #hll-videos

[upbeat depot]

I was going to say I hope Hanoi Hannah-GI! is on vietnam that would be so cool

Search it on YT its only 2 mins

[slate canopy]

ohhh okay

yeah I know a lot of people want that

[upbeat depot]

That should be Vietnams victory music or play it when USA are on their last stronghold

USA victory music has to be Fortunate Son

[faint umbra]

@slate canopy amigo lo tengo activado al juego cruzado

Abre instalado otro hell leet lose ?

[slate canopy]

If Steam, make sure you have "Hell Let Loose" not "HEll Let Loose (Public Testing)" installed.

[faint umbra]

Sos un maestro tengo instalos hell let loose (public tstinng)con razón que estaba en una muy buena oferta nalan elimino e instaló el bueno muchas gracias saludos desde Argentina

[slate canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363877549534740480/1475292657453502725/image.png?ex=699cf4db&is=699ba35b&hm=51d49142f80b694295e061f4f00315559f922627f25e151508c3e1a138094792&

top one

[slate canopy]

👍 Good luck, have fun.

[glacial whale]

Is my mic enabled automatically? Seems like sometimes they can't hear me

[slate canopy]

Do you have more than 1 output enabled in your sound settings? Sometimes it thinks you're using a different one.

[analog apex]

no, you need to pres a push-to-talk button to talk
(C for squad comms, V for proximity, and if you are in a leadership role then also X for speaking with other SLs/CMD)

at least that's how I understood the question

there is a bug in the game, which causes the mic to remain open, can be fixed by re-pressing all the mentioned buttons

[covert elbow]

Can you change it to open mic?

[analog apex]

nope

just when experiencing the bug 😄

[covert elbow]

Really?

Thats so weird, console has open mics

[analog apex]

who knows, maybe they added it and I didn't notice... I'll check

[covert elbow]

Tf??? I can’t send messages in my advertisement in #1343089641489961001

[analog apex]

I checked so no, not any open mic option for PCs

[slate canopy]

Bumping is now with ⬆️

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1472550605883965637

[covert elbow]

What???? How do you expect smaller groups to advertise now???

[crude slate]

can we get a gundam mod? lol would be awesome to see giants on the battle field

[mild gulch]

Nah dude. gundamn is post world war 2

they should be in like vietnam war

[glossy echo]

How was conquest?

[echo karma]

No streamer video yet. Must be worst than skirmish

[haughty geode]

Iron heart has one

[haughty geode]

Not sure if that will work

Its a mode from more casual games and breaks the entire concept of HLL which is relatively linear frontlines

[crude slate]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-harvest-gif-24481240

ok then bring Iron Harvest

colab with Iron Harvest, they gona bring players back

[echo karma]

Copies bf but forgets we these things called garrisons you have to spawn on

[hallow ravine]

Hi

[mild gulch]

No just release Vietnam and buff flamethrowers

[pine ember]

And fix the game please

[mild gulch]

fix what

[pine ember]

The issues the game had for a long time by now

[analog apex]

I don't think that's ever going to happen with these devs, or rather their decisionmakers.

[pine ember]

Yea sadly

Rather add more skins

[analog apex]

golden G43 incoming 😄

[pine ember]

Yea completely realistic, opa got that too after knocking out 10 Russians with the rifle stock

Why no pink IS tank skin?

[analog apex]

where's that pink Luchs materials test
(there actually was one shown 😄 )

[pine ember]

What

If Barbie designed a tank

[analog apex]

no worries though, it was used just to show the technology of... what was it called? dynamic materials? something along those lines

[pine ember]

Thats not that bad though as long as we dont unrealistic skins

And you know what, if they fixed the game and the skins had a good quality I would even consider buying them

[analog apex]

I wanted to buy a DLC at/after the time of the MG bipodding overhaul. I was decided to buy and was going for it, but right then I encountered that barn building where we can't deploy bipod in its windows at all. Since I reported it back the in the PTE feedback form as well as in here but wasn't fixed, I said myself... nah.

Btw., that barn is not fixed to this day and I wonder if it ever will, despite it's so stupid not being able to bipod ourselves in its windows.

[pine ember]

Fix the barn!!!

[analog apex]

I was so annoyed.

Had they fixed it, they could have had more money from me too.

And I am pretty sure many people think like this - if there is nothing that's been reported fixed (+pretty basic thing!) for a long time, why would they want to buy anything from them.

[nova pivot]

Have you tried conquest?

[analog apex]

oh and here was the moment I believe 😄 ☝️ (didn't buy it in the end xD )
as it happens the topic was the CONQUEST mode back there too. But after I played it this testing a day ago, my hopes dimished again.

[analog apex]

so the answer is yes

very cheaply implemented, nothing special, nothing original

[nova pivot]

What I assumed

[analog apex]

and global tickets only, no local and depletion means match over - all the stuff I was explaining before that I am afraid of

[nova pivot]

And what do you think about them experimenting with weapon skins?

[analog apex]

that really depends if a golden or pink weapons are coming, or if there will be just different shades of wood or some extra stuff on the weapons' texture or model

but in any case, I think it's totally unnecessary thing to do

for instance M1 carbine - if wearing an airborne uniform, it should be the one with the metal folding, while non-airborne uniform wearers should be automatically using the full wooden unfoldable one

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpkC0MREHRENRm15qE6O3SBdj27EA_mERc5w&s

but then again... the test is called a "skin" test, so I assume it will sadly have nothing to do with the asset model, only with the texture

[nova pivot]

That should be based on the map, same with the uniforms

[analog apex]

and this is why I am more afraid than excited, because there is a good chance some unrealistic skins system is coming in

instead, they should make uniforms to get some skins system, where we will be able to change our rank, unit patch etc.

[nova pivot]

Hello kitty camo

[analog apex]

that was actually the one that Luchs used when they showcased the materials thing back in the past

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1471943080314667058/attachment.gif

[analog apex]

forgot the name... right - Hello Kitty

[past veldt]

The Luchs one is lost to time

[analog apex]

this Tiger is however not from HLL, or is it?

[past veldt]

Nah, it's AI

[analog apex]

yeah I thought so, because the barrel looks too strange

[past veldt]

The Luchs one though was Danny showing us some new tech he'd created right?

[analog apex]

and that pipe at the MG seat 😄 (a mini cannon howitzer maybe? 😄 )

[past veldt]

I remember it being posted and deleted really quick after it was pointed out he couldn't use the smart materials for copyrighted stuff

[analog apex]

rly xD

[past veldt]

I do miss Danny and Jambax coming in to troll us occasionally

[analog apex]

I miss them, Max too... despite he sent me away :/ .

[past veldt]

He always came across as a bit of a bell

[analog apex]

Danny and Jambax... nice guys, were able to talk to them directly as devs, no middleware in terms of CMs.

they could tell right away if something doable, planned or ruled out, based on their 1st hand status

[novel geyser]

If they make the m1a1 carbine a dlc skin im gonna flip
We need subfactions not dlc

[past veldt]

Jambax telling us how features work is the true miss though

[analog apex]

and if there was something easily fixable, like river not blue on the tacMap, I jsut told Danny and in the closest update/patch it was done

[past veldt]

Yep

I have a list of things like this I wish could be fixed

[analog apex]

today, I would wait till old age before T17 would fix anything like that

[past veldt]

@fluid pawn can you get the Carentan map offset fixed? It's 15m offset after the rework

❤️

[analog apex]

Yeah Ben, we want you to open the dev tools and fix it! xD 😛

[past veldt]

Hilariously the Hurtgen forest map was never fixed, with the forests and open ground reversed on the tac map

But Danny did say that the tac maps took as long as the maps themselves

[analog apex]

maybe to Team17 guys

Danny had such stuff fixed fast

and I am sure they have the tacMap layered

[past veldt]

Nah he said they were a manual creation. No tools available to make it so he had to create the whole thing from scratch

So flipping that probably is quick, but the tac maps were a long process to make

[analog apex]

yeah, but it has to be layered nevertheless in their file somewhere

[past veldt]

You'd hope so

[analog apex]

they don't have to start from scratch

[past veldt]

But also everything they did was janky

[analog apex]

if they don't have it anywhere, well... another black mark

[past veldt]

So... Who knows

[analog apex]

I miss old Hurtgen so much. A forest map that was actual forest and not a plain mixed with post napalm strike appocalypse.

wasn't even as dense/dark as Hill 400

but was better than the v2

[past veldt]

Old Hurtgen was very good

I think it was the first map I ever played

[analog apex]

good old times

before the dark times... before the empir...[eeeh] Team17 xD

[nova pivot]

Mine was driel 😭

[analog apex]

I loved Driel in SQ44, I hate it in HLL

[steel rapids]

Hey lads, quick question were can I put myself up that I'm looking for a comp team to play with?

[analog apex]

Hi, probably here
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/888022545700388884

[steel rapids]

Thanks been a year since I was in comp games and my gameplay is needing it again 😂

[analog apex]

or you can browse the clans and pick one here https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1343089641489961001

[slate canopy]

It was implemented because some folks would bump and delete far before the 3 day time limit. We are trying this to keep it fair.

[mild gulch]

I really doubt that is a big problem

[echo karma]

No talking bout s44 in here

Oh @crisp lily where out thou when we need news content?

Wait I was thinking is there a point to Garry hunt or just cap zones?

[heady hornet]

may I introduce you to mountbatten pink?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-annoyed-anime-gif-24150193

[echo karma]

The irony is that hll pulled alot of players from ps

[pine ember]

To what?

[pine ember]

Back in the day maybe, but nowadays experienced HLL players move to S44

I even consider switching myself depending how the next updates will turn out

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

[pine ember]

Also depends how many players it has

[finite berry]

One more in case you join us

[pine ember]

Yea but I would like to avoid half empty lobbies and so on

I rarely have time to play, so when I have time I'd like the full experience

[finite berry]

Jokes on you, you also can have fun with 50 or 60 players only

[echo karma]

Fax, console keeping it alive tbh

Why you think they make 2 sht modes in a row

[heady hornet]

mountbatten pink. A camouflage used for ships and plains mostly.

[analog apex]

1 and half 😄

I wouldn't be able to move to SQ44 even if I wanted to... the game's dead enough for me not being able to play as I can play only in the EU afternoons when the SQ44 servers are pretty empty yet and/or no EU servers at all.

[finite berry]

????

EU late afternoon to night is literally prime time, what do you mean

[lucid gazelle]

mod tools?

[analog apex]

thsi is what I mean:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1475509370099073269/Screenshot_2026-02-23_160711.png?ex=699dbeaf&is=699c6d2f&hm=d8bac4fc4aec26d231ac73494df6eda8ff8d9e94c5341cde94e82b7fdc9f118a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

If I wanted to play around my usual time (around now), one US and one Chineese server. No, thx.

[finite berry]

That's not always accurate, just saying

[finite berry]

And you can't play anymore in three hours or so?

[analog apex]

In other words, I am to be dictaded by the game when I can play - another no, thx for me.

[echo karma]

The game plays him

[finite berry]

That's what happens when the playercount is low

I just don't get the attitude

[analog apex]

That's what happens when a game is not truly alive.

[finite berry]

"such a good game, would play if it had more players"

Like, dawg, just play it instead of waiting for the playercount to magically increase on its own xD

[pine ember]

Never heard of that tbf

[pine ember]

Yes, same for me

If I have time to play, I want to play and not look at empty servers

[analog apex]

Not in the mood to use my time running around the empty map and by the time it fills, I gotta leave.

[echo karma]

Tbf tho I don't even think there marketing it.

[finite berry]

There are full servers

[pine ember]

When?

[finite berry]

And around this time, EU servers often start seeding

[finite berry]

Now

[pine ember]

I have no time now

[finite berry]

And if you wait a few hours, an EU server is at least semi-full

And even if not, you can absolutely comfortably play on a NA server

[pine ember]

Is there a chance to get in rounds after 20:00 until 22:00?

[finite berry]

That's literally EU prime time

If our server gets seeded

If not, play NA

[pine ember]

So then maybe Ill try it out

[finite berry]

You can play every day from 20-22

[pine ember]

Yea but high ping and english and so on

[finite berry]

High ping is almost irrelevant

We allow up to 200 on our server, and even then we kick only due to server stability

[finite berry]

Just speak English lol

[cosmic pilot]

Hll beta branch

[analog apex]

which is the time that doesn't suit me at all

[finite berry]

That's understandable then

[cosmic pilot]

How tf am I supposed to test conquest if no one is interested

[analog apex]

I play from around 15:10 till 18:00, 18:30 at most.

And again - the fact remains that if an MP game is not playable for anybody at any given time of his or her choosing because of the low playercounts, it's not truly alive.

Any game.

If SQ44 had AI bots and offline play, I would agree with you. But not under the present circumstances.

[pine ember]

My English is not ze yellow from ze egg

[finite berry]

But it goes

So go and get out there :D

[pine ember]

This

[pine ember]

It goes? That’s good to listen

[finite berry]

🤝

[pine ember]

So mayyyybe I’ll try it

[finite berry]

If Sitzkrieg gets seeded, you can always join us

German/international server and good ping

[keen glen]

☝️👶

[finite berry]

(Also, we have an Eastern Front mod, a lot more historically accurate :))

[pine ember]

Thanks!

[finite berry]

and we have Gun Game

[pine ember]

Yes I know, that Looks cool

Finally early Eastern Front

Much better than the Same Late war content we always see

[finite berry]

Yep

Next expansion of that mod will be 1944 Bagration, tho

[pine ember]

Isn’t Bad either, atleast it’s something that is rarely Seen in Gaming

[tight mist]

So conquest is literally just conquest from battlefield 🤣

[echo karma]

But worse lol

Warfare is bassicly conquest from bf. Kinda more rush tbh

[analog apex]

yeah, that's the problem... no value added

just inside of constraints of HLL's squareShapedSectors vs garriPlacementRules vs strongpointLocation problems

[honest pecan]

why are they adding any new gamemodes at all? no one plays skirmish and barely anyone plays that other gamemode which i dont even remember the name of

[analog apex]

OFFENSIVE?

[honest pecan]

yeah

[analog apex]

aka the one-way type of WARFARE 😄

[honest pecan]

its also just bad in general in the sense, if Hell Let Loose was centered on warfare then all QoL and balancing adjustments would only have to take warfare into account, now they have to take all the gamemodes into account

[novel geyser]

I dont think skirmish is a fair comparison to conquest

skirmish was doomed from the start since it wasnt intended for 50v50, plus its just kinda uninteresting just being one point

conquest could easily fit into a server rotation, skirmish couldnt

[covert elbow]

Only because it’s 50 Vs. 50 though

I really don’t think HLL conquest is going to work since there are no naturally spawning garrisons

If they added a mechanic where a friendly garrisons spawns on the objective when captured that could help but relying solely on teamwork and squads working together in the modern day of HLL is asking something that isn’t there anymore

Mainly because the devs never tried to cultivate it

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on warfare

People need to give conquest a chance before complaining that it doesn't work the same way as warfare ong

[novel geyser]

I didnt manage to play any of the proper tests since I was out, but Im fine with new modes, just depends on how well they play

because to be honest I dont even like warfare

[cosmic pilot]

Only the hll player base would complain about getting a new game mode

It's rage inducing

[novel geyser]

no change ever everything has to be exactly how it was back in the good old days

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest feels more like offensive but both teams get to attack all the time

[harsh egret]

We actually just want the game that's already there to function properly. We don't care about adding more maps and game modes before that.

Period.

[cosmic pilot]

Lies

[echo karma]

How do you even seed on conquest?

[novel geyser]

people complained when they fixed exploits and made vaulting better

[cosmic pilot]

It's actually kinda interesting

You just rush from sector to sector

If the population is low enough, there's no one to stop you in-between sectors

[covert elbow]

Mainly because both offensive and warfare are showing their age and are in dire need of refinement

[novel geyser]

conquest wasnt very good with low player count, but thats just any mode really

[covert elbow]

It’s the same reason I’m adverse to adding new tanks, weapons, and mechanics

[cosmic pilot]

The player base doesn't want warfare to change

[silk igloo]

conquest is going to work the best on open maps like foy, but its just going to make everything worse on dense maps like carentan

[novel geyser]

skirmish would have been fine as a seeding mode but I dont think that was ever made a thing?

[cosmic pilot]

We're better off getting a new game mode where things can change so people get off their warfare addiction

[echo karma]

I assume it's fixed maps similar to skirmish?

[novel geyser]

will be

[cosmic pilot]

They picked the least interesting version of skirmish to push to live

[covert elbow]

I still don’t know how it works

[echo karma]

For 2 dudes tho looks good

[covert elbow]

I think I played it twice on release

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, right now

I need to give feedback to convince them to make it more random

[novel geyser]

its just king of the hill isnt it
so bascially its warfare without the extra steps

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, boring

[echo karma]

No Frontline means campers heaven

[cosmic pilot]

Warfare never had a Frontline

Except for u7

[novel geyser]

I mean a game like hll is always going to have campers its just
natural

defensive tactics are quite often just, camping

[cosmic pilot]

Everyone comes in here with their trash takes and expects to be taken seriously

[echo karma]

It's set up to get spawn camped like crazy

[novel geyser]

like warfare if you get the last point :^)

[silk igloo]

As it is now on kursk or foy warfare, you're shackled towards the enemy SP, but in conquest you're free to strike deep, next to the enemy HQ even. It's still possible to defend the entire width of the map, and you're incentivized to do it anyway with the three midrow points, but it's also easier to punch through. Your HQ cant be captured, so your entire team could throw itself on either flank without risk. (if you're losing 5-0, that is)

[echo karma]

Cap side obj. Place garrison damn near in there HQ

Or just split the whole team up and rely on medics. You know the worst class

[novel geyser]

medic is the worst class because he is useless, you've just given him a use in that situation...

[cosmic pilot]

You get this weird contraction, where since the combat depth is lower but the combat width is wider, a single squad can have a large impact on it's own.
In warfare, if you're pulling a supporting action you are reliant on your team to take advantage of it or it's a waste of effort.

In conquest the supporting action is always a form of attacking and can have a tangible rewarded impact by capping a sp

At least conquest encourages spreading out across the map

My other hot take is conquest should not be grid square based for zone capping

Having it use the offensive system of only in the circle counts is better

[novel geyser]

this is likely a limitation set by our over achieving super stars at BM

[silk igloo]

I look at all the modes the same way, ground you want to abuse before the enemy abuses it. Idk where you get lower combat depth from since you're incentivized to break even 1200m deep into the enemy to cap their last point

[novel geyser]

o wait nvm

misread lol

[silk igloo]

Doing that in warfare would be nonsense, like if a tank and an infantry squad went next to enemy HQ while your own is in danger of being capped. But in conquest you're free to do so without risking a loss by your actions since your HQ cant be capped

[cosmic pilot]

Combat depth is a measurement of your defensive capability

Your defensive area is fixed so combat width and depth are inversely proportional

[silk igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-npc-processing-processing-npc-processing-npc-thinking-gif-18378041742925308956

[cosmic pilot]

Think of it this way

Forest maps tend to encourage good defense in depth

People spaced out in increments of 50m behind you can still shoot at the same targets you can at the front

In conquest, your much less likely to have defenders behind you

Conquest also has a natural balancing factor

If you're defending two SP, you can afford to defend with less men and commit more to the attack

[silk igloo]

Right, because you want to be spread over 3 SPs instead of just 1. You simply dont have the numbers to do what you can do in Warfare

[cosmic pilot]

If you hold 3 SP, your defense is going to be diluted across more space to defend

That's what I call a tug of war mechanic

Tug of war mechanics are desirable for hll, imo, because you want shifts in the battle to occur to make the player feel like they are making progress, but if they are losing the situation is recoverable

[quartz minnow]

having issues connecting to public servers for Exp branch. says 6 found, 0 shown?

[cosmic pilot]

Warfare does not have a capture system that encourages tug of war

[silk igloo]

Reset your filters

[quartz minnow]

thank you haha

[worthy charm]

He lives in your walls

👀

[quartz minnow]

absolutely nobody in the Exp branch servers?!

[worthy charm]

Usually only when there are planned events, people just play the normal game otherwise

[quartz minnow]

ohh, it's the middle of monday haha

[cosmic pilot]

This sucks

I am extremely salty about it

[worthy charm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sid-salty

[cosmic pilot]

Mfw comp clans be like "listen to meeeeee" but they can't even put in the effort to have the beta branch full all the time

[covert elbow]

Teleports behind uou

[worthy charm]

Chum?

[cosmic pilot]

This is different from warfare how?

[worthy charm]

Is it you?

[analog apex]

that's usually Chum's line 😄

[covert elbow]

It’s not

Just wanted to say it

[cosmic pilot]

So what's your point?

If anything, conquest takes advantage of the teleports behind you dynamic on purpose

[quartz minnow]

something tells me that Conquest mode won't go over too well. a little better than Skirmish for sure, but probably not by much. worried about the amount of spawn camping that will happen

[covert elbow]

People getting behind you won’t change. Airheads and supply drops will still exist so you’ll be having inconsistent frontlines all the time.

Only way to fix teleporting behind is to remove airheads and make it so supply drops can only drop in the blue

[cosmic pilot]

I don't understand this fear of spawn camping

[cosmic pilot]

Conquest is very much about not having a Frontline

Which is a niche I can appreciate

Warfare is supposed to be about having a Frontline but fails at encouraging it

[quartz minnow]

because it happens even in regular matches. MGs will watch Garrisons and/or Arty will shell known Garrison locations even without tickets. imagine when kills start to become even more important for victory. i don't think the frontline being a little more fluid will prevent that. but i'm open to being proven wrong

[atomic pendant]

Played three games of Conquest Saturday and had no spawn camping issues.

[covert elbow]

That’s not going to happen because why would you spawn camp and risk the chance of dying and allowing an enemy spawn to operate when you could deny the enemy an opportunity of attack

[cosmic pilot]

When's the next event so I can experience a full game 🥺

[quartz minnow]

good to hear

[past vortex]

i think you already missed THE event

[silk igloo]

It's going to be easier to have a frontline on open maps like Foy and Kursk, since your team will naturally spread over the entire map. Enemy players will have a hard time to get behind you, when in warfare you only have to drive to the side a bit for an almost guaranteed safe passage. On dense maps like Carentan it will be impossible to have a frontline because there's simply too much ground to cover. In an urban grid with 4 alleys, you need a rifleman for each one to stop the enemy (and they can never die). Four open grids can be watched by a single MG. Simple maths.

[atomic pendant]

The thing is, while the morale system is in place and is the actual win condition in Conquest, the name of the game is still very much territory control, because you bleed morale if you control fewer strong points. So in my experience so far, squads are spread out all over the 5 points and it's a constant effort to cap points. Always on the move, not spawning in the same place enough for camping to really be an issue. Plus, when you lose a point/sector, your garries get wiped.

[cosmic pilot]

A wide Frontline is vulnerable to vehicular breakthrough 😈

[atomic pendant]

Nothing planned at the moment but maybe at some point.

[cosmic pilot]

BS

[atomic pendant]

Likely once the devs have made a new build based on our feedback from the first event.

[worthy charm]

lol

[atomic pendant]

I think 3 cap points would work better than five

[silk igloo]

Yeah, that's whats interesting in conquest, you can do that. In warfare it would be nonsense to drive a few tanks and squads through the far flank.

[cosmic pilot]

Do you agree with me that capping should only count inside the circle.
Or do you think it should be grid squad based

[covert elbow]

Still don’t understand why each point doesn’t bleed its own amount of tickets. It’s weird that you have to have a majority to bleed tickets

[cosmic pilot]

It's not nonsense, it's just really hard to do.

[cosmic pilot]

Arghh, no

[thin lotus]

if you lessen the amount of objectives in play, you increase the likeliness that the gamemode becomes just as volatile as the others. That being, the game is determined by just a few choice moves, then it just drags on until the timer/tickets run out

[cosmic pilot]

Having the back cap is important

[atomic pendant]

Grid based.

It works exactly like warfare and I think that's good

[cosmic pilot]

Nope

[finite berry]

The interesting question in regards to Conquest is whether the active seeders and server hosts will like it. Because that will decide whether it will get played at the end of day

[cosmic pilot]

If you are forced to get inside the sp to defend it, you limit the defender from getting too much advantage

[atomic pendant]

I'm just not a fan of how disjointed and spread out the teams are.

[atomic pendant]

Nope what?

[cosmic pilot]

It should not work like warfare

It also didn't as far as I could tell

To me it looked like you only made cap weight inside the strong point

[solar flower]

Hello somebody for play?

[cosmic pilot]

Like in offensive

[silk igloo]

The start of the conquest match on Foy was exactly like I said, we spread over the entire map and had 4 out of 5 points. Not a single space on the map that the enemy could slip through, saw it with my own eyes. Only later it snowballed into more chaos when the team greedily moved further, and into Foy. The enemy slipped through someplace

[atomic pendant]

If that's the case the brief was incorrect then lol

[cosmic pilot]

This is important because if you have a lone squad capture an undefended SP they are forced to halt their advance

Meaning you need teamwork if you want to extend your reach beyond the SP

[atomic pendant]

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to argue here.

I'm not super set in my opinions of conquest because I only played 3 games.

[silk igloo]

On carentan I couldnt move my squad from train since we'd instantly open it to the enemies lurking around

[atomic pendant]

Sure okay

[cosmic pilot]

If the devs change it be worse I swear

[atomic pendant]

I was talking about this yesterday a bit as well. When you cap a point, you feel compelled to go cap another especially when you're down in cap points. But you feel like if you leave, the cap will fall shortly after.

Defense is as important as ever yet because the teams are stretched so thin, and the game mode incentivizes offense (gotta own more points to bleed the enemy team faster), it's hard to commit to defense.

[cosmic pilot]

This is good

It's essentially offensive but both teams get to always attack

And guess what are players always trying to do in warfare?

They're always trying to attack

[atomic pendant]

So you have to make a choice oftentimes between committing your squad to defending that one point and just hoping other squads are able to capture additional points, or leaving the point you capped to go cap another one, giving your team the advantage possibly, but risking the cap point you left falling back to the enemy.

Personally, I'm a very offensive minded player. If my squad is effective enough to cap a point, and we wipe out any surrounding enemy spawns, let's throw down a Garry and go get another cap point.

[silk igloo]

I think you shouldn't be able to capture a point in any mode if you have less than 6 players in it. The cap weight would still be there, so you'd start capping against 4 enemies as soon as you got your 6th in. It'd still be contested with 4 v 4 so you wouldnt lose cap progress even if you lose men below 6.

[thin lotus]

-Teleportation centric gameplay
-Easy gunplay, in combination with too low of TTK, resulting in a disproportionate amount of killing power relative to troop amount.

The root of everything wrong with HLLs gamemodes, old and new

[atomic pendant]

I know my squad is capable of capping these points, so that's what I wanna go do instead of sitting on a point and hoping other squads are effective enough to cap.

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, good, good

[atomic pendant]

The day they fuck with ttk is the day I riot

[thin lotus]

objective contesting devolves into "just hide" when the threshold for a cap swaying is literally 1 alive body within the zone.
Extremely boring.

I had suggested a minimum threshold to start the cap pull a long time ago.

[atomic pendant]

Wouldn't be against that idea

[cosmic pilot]

Make it more than 2

F recon

[thin lotus]

Having two clashing forces fighting in one particular are becomes extremely tedious when the difference between winning or losing a cap is whether you have just one more dunce alive than the opposition

It's just asinine

Cheapens everything about fighting over the point

[atomic pendant]

Though it sounds like some folks in here enjoy the idea of not having a Frontline and having five different objectives at all times, spreading teams apart. If it takes 6+ to cap, you are now forcing teams back together to make larger, more unified pushes with multiple squads. Something I personally think is missing in Conquest and the main reason it doesn't "feel" like HLL.

[atomic pendant]

Lol

[cosmic pilot]

Doesn't feel like warfare needs to be disassociated from "feels like hll"

I swear it's so triggering to read it

[atomic pendant]

Offensive too

At the end of the day, I'm ok with Conquest feeling and playing uniquely. I just want it to be fun enough that when it pops up in a map rotation I don't want to quit like I do for Skirmish.

Don't take the elements I love about HLL and remove them to make it unique.

Just present and implement them in different or new ways.

But yea, even in it's current state, I would not quit playing if conquest came into the map rotation. I just think there's ways to improve it.

I don't know who mentioned it but I do like the idea that capping a point regenerates some morale, but perhaps only for the losing team.

[cosmic pilot]

There's definitely some rough edges and wonkiness to the current ruleset

I kinda doubt 1000 tickets is enough

[atomic pendant]

The games I played Saturday I want to say lasted maybe 40 min or so?

I didn't pay too much attention so I could be wrong on that.

[cosmic pilot]

Case in point

[atomic pendant]

But they weren't super fast

1500 might be better

[cosmic pilot]

It'll need to be tuned to each map imo

[atomic pendant]

Depends on if they add more mechanics that impact morale and how it's impacted.

[atomic pendant]

Unlikely to happen IMO

[silk igloo]

It will be much harder to counter something like an airhead, since the enemy commander can always yeet it next to enemy HQ. Even with a jeep you cant reach it in time from across the map because of how the roads curve, unless you redeploy to your HQ. They could lock those non-SP areas out at least.

[cosmic pilot]

Consider, it doesn't result in a permanent advantage

[silk igloo]

On a map like Foy or Kursk it does. You can have a frontline of just 1200 meters wide, enemy behind you doubles it to 2400

[cosmic pilot]

If the enemy commits too much behins you, that gives you a numerical advantage in front of you

So you can push forward to take more caps

Which is why it needs to be 5 and not 3

All of this results in unstable equilibrium

Tug of war mechanics that allow the battle to shift in interesting ways

Give the player interesting tactical problems

[silk igloo]

Yeah, but ideally you want nothing behind you, but a few recon of your own behind the enemy. Since a squad of 6 can easily hold a line of 200m on said maps (on average - the sparse places don't need nor attract as many troops) you can afford to have a few troops behind the enemy. Only need one to destroy all your garris. Dont need to worry so much on open maps since you can bottle up the entire enemy team on their side of the map.

[cosmic pilot]

The ideal scenario should not override in importance the realistic scenario.

[thin lotus]

1 inconspicuous guy turning the tide is incredibly stupid in a game of this scale.

always was, always will be

[cosmic pilot]

If one team achieves the ideal scenario they just win without giving the other team a chance at all

You need that degree of uncertainty or vulnerability in the realistic scenario for a multiplayer team battle based game

Irl, you're fighting a war, go ham with achieving the ideal scenario

[silk igloo]

No, they still have plenty of chances. It's still a tug of war across the entire map. 6 squads for 6 grids is only 36 players, you're still left with your tanks, recon and commander to do something. The infantry is just the base line that prevents the enemy from beating you without fighting

all of this only works in pubs and open maps, and by pure chance and not by design. and it's never organized or commanded either, it just happens. but it works. go wider

[wind shore]

Any update when the pacific theatre is coming??? 😂😂😂 just kidding but seriously any update on Vietnam

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[covert elbow]

When aluetuan campaign

[slate canopy]

All updates to Vietnam will be in #sit-reps . Be sure to get the Vietnam role in Channels and roles

[nova pivot]

After the Spanish civil war update

[slate canopy]

Ooo 👀 I cannot wait for that one!

[echo karma]

Ben been mighty quiet ngl

[honest pecan]

Jarvis, go into server filters and exclude skirmish, conquest and offensive

[echo karma]

Lol when they released skirmish expecting everyone to buy new servers to run just this 1 game mode.

They couldn't give that sht away for free!

Sad too cuz I actually wanted to see what an objective based mode would play like similar to dday in s44 but nooo gotta scrap it cuz why?

[novel geyser]

they ran their own servers for the test

[slate canopy]

A lot of servers who have multiple used one for the beta test side.

[little dragon]

So Vietnam should be out in June?

[slate canopy]

We don't know a date yet.

[covert elbow]

It’ll be out February 30th

[hallow ravine]

is hell let loose australian

or is it british

[slate canopy]

The company is based out of the UK

[hallow ravine]

was it made in australia though

yk

[slate canopy]

No.

[past vortex]

bm is australian

[tired ingot]

bm = black matter, the og devs of HLL, they sold it to T17 who are UK based?

[finite berry]

Yes

[slate canopy]

Then yes 🤷‍♀️

Whatever

You could have probably googled it.

[past vortex]

their new game is looking really good btw

[covert elbow]

Colonization

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[north coral]

downloading

[slate canopy]

Make sure you download "Hell Let Loose" and not "Hell Let Loose (Public Testing)"

[north coral]

ye

easy anti cheat 💀 im getting warthunder flashbacks

PC on fire rn 🔥

i think ill come back in a few years when i get a better pc 💀

[obtuse dragon]

dw that's normal

[north coral]

🥀

[left knot]

💔

[stone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[echo karma]

Oh Ben where art thou?

Greg may I request your humble appearance

[alpine osprey]

Xi jinping give me social credit

[nova pivot]

Ben is online

That means Fresh news today

[analog apex]

That means Fresh news today
that means he's online 😄

[pine ember]

News today: We get the golden G43

[nova pivot]

Would be cool to get battle damaged stocks or mesh for the snipers

[analog apex]

yeah that's the only other way they can use that weapon skin test as

[nova pivot]

With battle damaged I mean like scratches or decolorated part of the wood

[analog apex]

however I don't think it's gonna be any visible - barely for the bearer and for the 3rd person at all

it's so unnecessary

[pine ember]

No this game needs DLC!!!

[nova pivot]

Well mesh cammo for the snipers could be really cool

[pine ember]

Where is Kedo when we need him?

[nova pivot]

Yes, based

[analog apex]

I have no clue why are they wasting their dev resources for such thing as weapon skins honestly. It's a waste of time that could have been used elsewhere, on much more important problems/topics.

[nova pivot]

We need Muslim SS soldiers

[nova pivot]

Yeah

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/zubair-rambo-say-wallah-gif-23730191

[nova pivot]

For example fixing that one window of the barn

[pine ember]

This here. Rather give us something better

[analog apex]

exactly 😄
But since here we are talking about programming and UI part, the MG bipodding barn-fixing is out of the scope - but they could finally fix the sector capping/losing sound(/music?) that plays only if HUD is toggled on at the time which renders that sound/music completely useless. Or they could fix the scoreboard that highlighs random players or scrolls on random players.

...instead of making UI and coding behind the UI for the weapon skins

[nova pivot]

Stalingrad and Smolensk are still unplayable on consoles btw

They are extremely stuttery and laggy

[analog apex]

as are on the PCs

the stutters decide the outcome of the gunfights instead of the skill of the shooters

that should never be the case for a shooter game

If I see someone I want to shoot and suddenly there is a stutter or a macroStutter, I know my chances just went down a great deal. And if it happens after I shoot (and if combined with the hitreg problem), I have best recipe to get killed, no matter the skill on my part.

Why they are investing time to such stuff as weapon skins and programming behind it, I dont get it. Feels like they have a lot of time on their hands which can make any excuses of them in the close future to render as lies.

And how can that be their priority even... who did set it as such? Why?

[nova pivot]

They are just ignoring the elephant in the room

All this little thing like weapons skins are okay, it's something interesting and if they are free they give the players reasons to master weapons in order to unlock the skins, but there is no place for such things if the game is unplayable

Same for the spa

Which are extremely badly implemented and done btw

[echo karma]

There dogwater servers? Noo can't be the issue guys

[analog apex]

Scrap HQ arty, bring in buildable mortars. SPAs... they maybe could be salvagable. But the HQ arty has no chance, as it is always the reason for the recon<>arty loop and for the recon HQ-camping.

[nova pivot]

Name them SPG and add mortars, that is the solution

[echo karma]

Seems like these devs don't have the knowledge or are incompetent at this point.

[analog apex]

Hell, the arty squad even uses the tanker skins only, so the HQ arty doesn't even have a proper skinned crews.

[nova pivot]

They should be operated by the tank crews and work as satchel dispensers

[echo karma]

For how many years have we bitched about arty

[analog apex]

Mortar should have it's own squad type imo. It's just too much different from the SPA/SPGs as it was operated by infantry, not tankers.

[novel geyser]

Most of the SPAs should just be made into assault guns like they actually are

[nova pivot]

That is what I said

[echo karma]

Mortars like s44 works imo.

[novel geyser]

The bishop is literally the only one that is actually an spa

[echo karma]

Just mobile arty still tho

Relatively mobile. You still gotta build it etc

[nova pivot]

Having long range artillery in a 2 km map makes no sense from the beginning

[novel geyser]

SPAs I dont think have a place in hll, mortars are just the obvious and best solution

[echo karma]

Say you had a squad like s44 dedicated to logi and mortars. Would it work here?

[nova pivot]

@hlldev

[analog apex]

definitelly better than having the current HQ arty

would get rid of the recon<>HQcamping loop at the very least

[echo karma]

Yes better. But these devs can barely make a map. Look how jank spa is still.

[novel geyser]

Ive said it so much
AT and engineers should be in their own squads

[analog apex]

yeah, our javelin-firing vehicles are still not nice

[novel geyser]

an AT squad helps balance the AT loop
Engineer squads allow better logistics on a squad level

[echo karma]

And 3 rocket AT is a terrible game design change

[novel geyser]

Cramming every role into one infantry squad take away from the actual team play

[analog apex]

it used to be like that in the beginnings, bazookas had even 4

PzSchreck 3 I believe if I recall correctly

[novel geyser]

You almost never see a squad work together to take out a tank they just lump all the responsibility on their single AT
Make a squad dedicated to AT and the entire squad now shares a common goal

[echo karma]

Mortar squad with AT sounds broken

[analog apex]

yes, that would be my way to go as well - dedicated squad types for... AT, Engineers, Mortars and maybe even MGs

[novel geyser]

Mortar squads would be their own thing

[echo karma]

Mortar would be stationary meaning you wouldn't be hunting tanks etc

[novel geyser]

The us would be the only ones with mg squads really

Unless they introduce hmg emplacements

[echo karma]

All AT on one squad is prone to exploit behavior and steamrolls even faster

[analog apex]

I would assume adding those as well. But as we said... with these devs... nope.

[echo karma]

No sense in talking bout it. Everything under the moon been suggested. These devs are incompetent af. Management needs fired already

[novel geyser]

Honestly id quite like squads being a bit different depending on the faction, and loadouts changing according to the map or subfaction

[echo karma]

I bet number 1 excuse is code is all spaghetti

[echo karma]

This is my fav thing and also how some maps have specific objectives to achieve to progress. Can't remebrr but dday you had to plant Bangalore to blow the fence

[analog apex]

yet they find the time and resources to play around weapon skins system 😄

[echo karma]

More ways to monetize a dying game