mess-hall

[slate canopy]

Oh, I know, the streamers I would watch would do that.

but your average player isn't gonna play against that.

[echo karma]

False in fact. Your avg player never turns off crossplay.

There casuals for a reason. They don't care. Won't do game mechanics and don't sweat. So why do they care about aa?

[slate canopy]

Whatever you want to believe

I know on Siege, I eventually turned crossplay off.

Albiet it I play it inconsistantly.

[echo karma]

Lazy developers imo. Most games launch with full crossplay now a days and have thriving communities

Pc does not make up majority of the playerbase of all games. Quite the opposite in fact

Hd2 sold what like 600mill I'm copies 1st week? More than ps and pc

[wise rapids]

it

[echo karma]

Never give out your steam info

[wise rapids]

bro am on epic 😭

[echo karma]

Even worse

[wise rapids]

hoow bro

[echo karma]

Epic sht

[wise rapids]

aww ;c i want moeny

i dont use epic i only use steam

[echo karma]

Smite incoming

[wise rapids]

huhhh

😮 am cooked

[echo karma]

No selling accounts in here.

[wise rapids]

dasdasdas dont smite me c;

[slate canopy]

Yeah don't sell your account here.

[echo karma]

Sell your soul to Ben to hear from every 2 months

[lucid rapids]

crashing literally every match

[covert elbow]

When Africa

[real parrot]

When Britain battle

[wooden parrot]

.

[mild gulch]

Dont trust men with long hair

[covert elbow]

Why not

[crude slate]

Seems like nobody miss their shots in HLL

but when we play other FPS, 70% bullet miss

[covert elbow]

That’s because HLL’s gunplay is super easy and simple

It’s one of the easiest shooters honestly

[crude slate]

Easiest...? are u shroud?

jkjk, i think its supose to be harder

[past veldt]

Honestly this isn't true.

Your average HLL gamer is a 60yr old alcoholic

It's just because it's one shot kill you feel this way.

You haven't taken into account the amount of bullets flying about the joint

[crude slate]

u mean 60 year old chinese veteran? no wonder..

[past veldt]

Nah, I reckon the average HLL gamer is 60 yrs old, alcoholic, and is Finnish

[crude slate]

man i wish they do Cross Server battle.. that be fun..

i played this russian online mmrpg, they had this server faction war.
First time I witness Europeans Clan vs CN clan.. it was chaotic full of slur, but fun haha

[past veldt]

Playing a comp match Vs a Chinese team is so good

Their strats are a lot of fun, they hold interesting angles in tanks, and they just generally play really well

[crude slate]

yea man, i mean its different when ur competing for ur nation

[past veldt]

And they'll resort to human wave

[crude slate]

no joking around type of mode. haha

[past veldt]

Which is elite stuff in comp hll

[covert elbow]

That’s just a marketing scam. The game isn’t that hard

[finite berry]

It's just the question what you compare it to you

[covert elbow]

Just aim your rifle and pull down to control the barely exist recoil

[finite berry]

To a Battlefield player, it's hard

[covert elbow]

Not really. HLL’s gunplay is extraordinarily simple bordering on unfinished

It very much feels like an afterthought

[finite berry]

For a supposedly realistic tactical shooter, yes

[crude slate]

dont know about u guys, but here in S.E.A, alot of our games are PVP againts another nation. Like Mobile Legends (Cheap LoL) has Cross Server Battle. Its friggin fun

[crude slate]

i think HLL gave Adrenaline Pump more then other games, thats why people are tend to Perfect Shot most often.

[covert elbow]

Adrenaline makes you miss more then you hit

[peak knot]

Just because it’s simple doesn’t make it rushed, not carefully thought out, or unfinished

The gunplay makes it a lot more fun and interesting than dumb stuff like spray patterns

[covert elbow]

Maybe, but HLL doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt

[versed scaffold]

Can't wait for HLL Vietnam tho.

[covert elbow]

The game is very blatantly and obviously simplified to a major extent

Be it a choice by the developers or them being lazy, who knows

[peak knot]

It takes a lot of effort to make something simple. It’s usually a lot easier to make something complex

[crude slate]

no complaints man, the game is full of admiration on how realism it aims to be. just that everyone is a Pro Shooter. lol
Head come out = Dead

[past veldt]

HLL has spray patterns though

[peak knot]

I think US/german rifles are in a pretty good place. Main issue with them is penetration

[covert elbow]

What

That’s… that’s just factually incorrect?

[past veldt]

They just randomise after death. But for a single life your spray pattern is the same every time you shoot

[analog apex]

Shooting is a primary thing in HLL. At the beginnings HLL was not supposed to be as casual as it is today. And as such, it's safe to assume gunplay the same as certain other things, was supposed to get further than it got and stayed at.

Hence unfinished sounds more true than it was actual goal.

[crude slate]

fck vietnam, I want a Modern version of HLL. with drones and sh1t

bring mechs too

since robots is just around us

[versed scaffold]

There's gonna be one 100%.

[covert elbow]

HLL’s tagline

[versed scaffold]

But we have SQUAD in the mean time...

[covert elbow]

Unfinished and unpolished

[peak knot]

Look at the original damage range models. A lot of steps were removed and weapon ranges simplified compared to the original

[analog apex]

I wish HLL forum website wasn't deleted, we would be able to revisit all those discussions with the devs (when they were actually talking actively) and about the plans for various stuffs they mentioned there.

[covert elbow]

I don’t actually know what the originals are. Mind sharing?

[covert elbow]

“King Tiger soon”

[analog apex]

I don't remember that one but... whatever 😄 .

[covert elbow]

It was the #100 dev brief

[crude slate]

they are like cockroachs... everywhere.. in the walls.. on the ground...

[analog apex]

Fck Vietnam and fck modern warfare, I just want a next gen WWII fleshed-out HLL! ...in my case.

[covert elbow]

One of the devs said they were going to add the king tiger “soon”

[analog apex]

riiiight 😄

[covert elbow]

Please for the love of god just remaster the game already

[haughty geode]

They also said there will be an eastern front subfaction and so on

[covert elbow]

Actually March the maps to the IRL locations, expand upon the squad system and infantry gameplay, refine tanks, add mortars, etc

This game can be so much more

[haughty geode]

And multiple Stalingrad maps

[silk igloo]

i keep telling you guys to look and listen to old videos from 2019-2020. its already remastered

[covert elbow]

Man that’s be a dream

[covert elbow]

Seems more like a badly done port to me

[crude slate]

they shud just simulate ww3 from this momment

[analog apex]

nah, I would still stand by "fck. modern warfare" 🙂

[crude slate]

COD sucks, the only things change from Day 1 is the Map and the skin

[analog apex]

I just want a good detailed WWII on big historically authentic maps

[covert elbow]

We need to make our own game

If HLL can do it so can we

[analog apex]

I wish

[crude slate]

give me 1bil. i hook it up for u

[covert elbow]

You give me 1 billion

[crude slate]

i have the network, no money

[silk igloo]

wasnt bm originally 5 guys in a virtual shed

[limpid marten]

The money will always be in fast paced arcadey shooters, black ops 6 sold 500 million copies, ARMA reforger is at 2+million, arma 3 11mil, HLL 5mil etc.

[covert elbow]

I mean what killed HLL was market appeal

Went from a niche game attempting realism to a quick paced arcade shooter pretty quickly

[limpid marten]

I think with the way social media is going we're going to see an even bigger shift towards fast paced quick release dopamine type shooters, the attention spans are getting shorter.

[haughty geode]

I would have preferred a few properly made 1941 and early 1942 maps but multiple Stalingrad maps would have been fine too

[covert elbow]

Stalingrad can be 1942

[haughty geode]

Yea but 1942 before Stalingrad

Rzhev, Kharkov, Voronezh, Caucasus, Wirbelwind,...

[silk igloo]

if you were expecting a niche game to get a million concurrent players or such, sure, it was "killed"...

[covert elbow]

“Killed HLL’s identity and personality”

[pine ember]

That would be a dream

Early Ostfront was such an important part of the war yet its overlooked in media

[mild gulch]

what killed HLL is the lack of players

[pine ember]

Definetely not

[silk igloo]

i think the identity was killed by the player culture finding out how to efficiently play it.

[mild gulch]

thats how every game is tho

[silk igloo]

again, look at older videos where you'll see an entire squad just standing around even

[haughty geode]

Yea, just gimme a few properly made maps from June 41 to March 43 and I am happy

[mild gulch]

players will optimise the fun out of it. thats why the flamethrower should be buffed

[limpid marten]

I think HLL did well all things considered

[haughty geode]

Where you can properly recreate the early war Bewegungskrieg

[finite berry]

I'd say that's what allowed its growth in the first place

[covert elbow]

Good point

People learned to play and optimize the game and all of a sudden the game changes

Things become abused and strategy’s become solid

[limpid marten]

Balancing do be one of the hardest things in game development especially in multiplayer games, players are bound to figure out the meta

[silk igloo]

well, the identity is still there, sometimes, when you happen to play with a communicating and eager squad thats not made out of old players. they'll follow you like cute ducklings

[pine ember]

The only map for that we have is Kharkov

But more would be cool

[keen glen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/835896426470440970/1474021313818660916/20260219_153344.jpg?ex=699854d3&is=69970353&hm=5019190fcda40faa8aa35e4679c29abb61ede315a7fe4a31ec5d937c7005676c&

boomer mentality

[limpid marten]

My bad it's very easy

[covert elbow]

Problem is because of how simple HLL’s systems and gameplay is the “meta” get pretty boring and bland

[crude slate]

HLL is great man, if theres a complaint. its about Need More Content, like adding Planes, More Variety of Weapons. More MAPS (Maybe Japanese Invasion of ASIA?)

[covert elbow]

All it is;

Put down airhead behind enemy point then human wave the undefended point because the enemy team is on the offensive

Win

[mild gulch]

problem is that too many old players are on this game. everyone is like 40 or 50 and super sensitive

[crude slate]

COD is trash, never change from day 1 except the skin. BF is okay, but not so realism once u get use to it. ARMA and Squad I never tried

[mild gulch]

they are acting like they were in the war

[limpid marten]

Battlefield 6 was an absolute disgrace to the franchise

[covert elbow]

It’s honestly why I want to make a MilSim and make matches with objectives and plans laid out

That way it’s not a free for all like the current game and allows for more strategy

[crude slate]

really?i plan to buy it actually. but HLL Kept me from Buying it

[covert elbow]

They definitely fumbled the game

[mild gulch]

HLL needs to appeal to a younger playerbase. maybe add golden skins and emotes

[covert elbow]

I didn’t particularly care for the beta and it seems I was rewarded for not getting BF6

[crude slate]

The only reason I want BF6 is the Vehicle, The shooting is Meh

HLL does it better, Pubg does it better

[mild gulch]

pubg shooting isnt good

[crude slate]

whats better then pubg?

[mild gulch]

everything?

roblox

[crude slate]

example : on the shooting

tf?

[mild gulch]

HLL has good shooting mechanics, its like how real guns work

[crude slate]

agree, just 1 complaint. 1 shot too easily

i mean, shooting the hand can insta kill

[mild gulch]

dude most times in ww2 1 shot = 1 kill

[limpid marten]

In 4 months it has gone from 656k players to 30k, if you're a fan of older battlefields it feels like a damn cod game, but sure there's people that like it too, try it and form your own opinion.

[crude slate]

i get chu.

[mild gulch]

you ever shot anyone son?

[crude slate]

tf question is that?

[crude slate]

like are u proud of that or what? lol what a fck up society u live in.

[mild gulch]

just a question tf

[crude slate]

nah, Im born with sickess. Im unable to join the Army

[mild gulch]

sorry but then you couldnt be a spacemarine either... maybe a servitor

[crude slate]

i rather die then be a servitor

[keen glen]

https://tenor.com/view/syfm-sybau-meme-cat-gif-11875184774392728709

[mild gulch]

ill make you my servo skull. deal?

[crude slate]

i rather join the Chaos Marine then become a Servitor.

Thousand sons

[mild gulch]

no join nightlords with me

[pine ember]

Thats not the point...

More content wont make the game better, and something like planes or the pacific will never come

The game needs fixing though

[crude slate]

Whats wrong with the game? Never notice (maybe im new)

[pine ember]

There is a lot wrong

The game has gotten too casual over the years, there are many bugs and many things dont really work that well

[mild gulch]

way too casual how?

[pine ember]

And the historical accuracy this game is about also faded over the years

[crude slate]

There is a bug in lobby, but i think thats my hardware problem. Other than that I cant notice

[pine ember]

Nonverbal comms, a way too big focus on cosmetics, running speed was increased and so on

The game was less arcady back in the day

[pine ember]

Then you are apparently new

[mild gulch]

Nonverbal comms isnt really the games fault. cosmetic are historically based

[crude slate]

I think i get wat chu mean, its more cateting to new players then Old Players.

[pine ember]

No and no. In this game you are meant to talk. Giving players these tools so they dont talk is wrong. The cosmetics might be historically based (many of them still arent accurate), but there are better solutions too like subfactions

[keen glen]

add swiming pls 😭😭

[pine ember]

It has simply moved more in the direction of BF and COD over the years

[mild gulch]

Gatekeeping everyone who doesnt have a mic is silly

Its insane to compare it to BF and COD. its not even close

[keen glen]

@fluid pawn yo bro can i speak with a developer ?

is it possible

[pine ember]

Thats not the point, you can still play this game

The difference is that the majority doesnt talk anymore even if they have the means to do it

[pine ember]

I wouldnt say so

[worthy charm]

Talk to ninja

[keen glen]

earraping is the new trend

[worthy charm]

he is a secret dev

[keen glen]

who is he

[mild gulch]

I think the majority talks. not sure what server you are playing on

maybe you dont have a nice voice and they dont want to respond

[pine ember]

I experienced different

[worthy charm]

@covert elbow Speak to this man.

-# runs

[pine ember]

My voice is pretty nice

[mild gulch]

have you tried making small talk

asking about the weather etc

[worthy charm]

Germans dont do small talk

[pine ember]

Yea? Dude I play this game since 5 years

[mild gulch]

they also dont win wars

[pine ember]

We sure did though

[keen glen]

tf bro

[mild gulch]

out of 2 world wars you lost 2

0% winrate

[keen glen]

why would i ask this in hll vc

[pine ember]

Skill vs Spam

[mild gulch]

hahahaha sure buddy

[pine ember]

WWs arent the only wars btw

[keen glen]

jews won

[worthy charm]

dont

[mild gulch]

wasnt germany back then before ww1

[crude slate]

My bad.

[finite berry]

Problem is that the closer you're moving towards that, the harder it becomes to accomplish that with public players

[crude slate]

Gobbo started it lol

[pine ember]

Lol, Germany already existed for 40 years when WW1 broke out

[mild gulch]

No it wasnt germany as we know it today

[keen glen]

Bismarck's germany was a delusional poophole

[pine ember]

Of course it wasnt

France in 1870 also was a lot different to the France that exists now

[mild gulch]

After Bismarck you guys messed everything up

[keen glen]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[pine ember]

And you for sure did everything right didnt you?

[mild gulch]

you dont even know where im from

[pine ember]

I dont care

[keen glen]

india or albania which one

[mild gulch]

buddy my grandfather died fighting in ww2 on the eastern front. fighting for germany

[keen glen]

are you fr*nch

[mild gulch]

no? then it would be the west front

[pine ember]

Sad to hear, my condolences

[covert elbow]

That’s why I’d be participating with clan matches

Public matches are horrid 7/10 times

[keen glen]

french ss fought in eastern front too

[sage folio]

I’m stuck in a house and have counted 31 enemies outside it

Should I make a sound

[pine ember]

Shoot them

[novel geyser]

He's from gobbo land

[sage folio]

I have been they keep looking for me

[finite berry]

Valid, but then you're limited to an extremely small playerbase that can grow slowly and with difficulties only

[crude slate]

call in Airstrike, Goobye comrade

[covert elbow]

It’s how it goes

[crude slate]

too many for u to handle

[keen glen]

i think he is romanian or smth

[mild gulch]

its your fault

[sage folio]

I took their tiger out

Yooo update I just died

[covert elbow]

I’m planning of filling out a rifle platoon before getting the unit moving though so I won’t have to worry about catching people up

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/doncheadlegoon-doncheadle-goon-gif-2658984996867538776

[pine ember]

No it isnt

I wasnt even alive back then

[mild gulch]

yeah why did you start a war with russia?

[keen glen]

Judging by his pfp its clear hes from the balkans

[mild gulch]

your ancestors are stupid

[pine ember]

Hey, stop it now

[worthy charm]

Keep it respectful

[sage folio]

My ancestors shot the Franz dawg

[mild gulch]

i am

[pine ember]

No you arent

[mild gulch]

its just true

[sage folio]

Twas not that peculiar and deep

[pine ember]

Mods ban this guy

[mild gulch]

for what?

[worthy charm]

Shut it or I will do it for you

[pine ember]

Not being respectful

[covert elbow]

Guys obviously a troll so he’s def on borrowed time

[crude slate]

u know theres a saying, if u argue with kids. u turn into one.
Just saying~

[covert elbow]

Someone will get sick of him eventually

[keen glen]

https://tenor.com/view/syfm-sybau-meme-cat-gif-11875184774392728709

[mild gulch]

are you being respectful?

[pine ember]

I was until now

[worthy charm]

Who gave you your gif rights back?

[wintry thistle]

Balkans possibly south of the Danube

[keen glen]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-dog-brian-dog-cooked-wallahi-im-finished-cooked-dog-gif-1849480349705279416

[worthy charm]

ha

[mild gulch]

Im not from the balkans nor romania

[keen glen]

lmao

[sage folio]

What’s wrong wit th Balkan

[mild gulch]

they started ww1

[keen glen]

nothing they are based

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gif-16036169316870674622

[sage folio]

Specifically my country did

[wintry thistle]

You have mainly Balkan blood

[sage folio]

Serbia started the war on cyberstan aswell

[crude slate]

nah, non of u did. its all planed by these damn satanic group.

[wintry thistle]

Russia?

[keen glen]

balkans are %100 turkish genes

[mild gulch]

nah took a dna test. im 99.5% northern european

[crude slate]

we are ALL PLAYED, its that simple

[sage folio]

What country

[keen glen]

ukraine

[wintry thistle]

other 5 is the most downtrodden backwards Serbian vilager DNA

[mild gulch]

Ukraine isnt northern europe lol

[keen glen]

latvia

[mild gulch]

im a sovereign citizen

[sage folio]

Serbian villager smartest villager in the world

[keen glen]

BRO SAY IT ALREADY LMAO

[sage folio]

Twas east

[keen glen]

iceland

[pine ember]

France

[keen glen]

mongol from iceland

[mild gulch]

Neither

[sage folio]

That’s further north than me

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-uma-musume-horse-kissgraves-tweaking-gif-1642289835706023011

The hell is happening anymore

[sage folio]

Imagine being Scottish

[keen glen]

cant

Ive never seen a Scottish before

[haughty geode]

So wheres this guy from?

[mild gulch]

ill tell you when you guess it

[wintry thistle]

I can imagine much worse things than being scottish

[keen glen]

same

[covert elbow]

Being British

[keen glen]

being americanese

[mild gulch]

being scottish is bad because you are basically a vassal state of the british

[finite berry]

Hahahaha, thought the same xD

[wintry thistle]

I mean we can just guess every Euro country

[sage folio]

Hello

[mild gulch]

then go ahead

[covert elbow]

He’s from Cambodia

[keen glen]

hi

[wintry thistle]

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries

[crude slate]

nah man, all of u are good. dont let the hook nose get to you

[mild gulch]

Has to be one at a time

[sage folio]

Being Scottish is amazing because we have class beer and food, and women

And me

[mild gulch]

I dunno the woman are more hairy than the men lol

[sage folio]

And men

[keen glen]

and u get non of those women

[mild gulch]

can barely tell the difference

[sage folio]

I’ve got 4 wives

[keen glen]

proof

[sage folio]

All of which don’t know I exist yet

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gold-ship-gold-ship-golshi-gold-ship-uma-musume-goku-prowler-gif-877742140786639460

[haughty geode]

Finland

Estonia

[keen glen]

denmakr

[haughty geode]

Sweden

[keen glen]

norway

[haughty geode]

Norway

Lithuania

Netherlands

[sage folio]

You can. City structures are built differently

Different traditions

Different languages

Different country side

A few Different laws etc etc

[mild gulch]

i meant difference between men and the woman and the cows

[crude slate]

my country was Occupied by Portugese, Dutch, British, Japan for 500 years. We are chilling now

[slate canopy]

Why are cows brought in?

[pine ember]

Because they taste good

[sage folio]

Ones got hair, ones got ginger, ones got ginger and hair

[mild gulch]

there is alot of hairy cows in scotland. its kinda their thing

[slate canopy]

I mean yes? That is a breed of cow.

[wintry thistle]

Indonesia?

[sage folio]

He’s comparing hairy people to the cows

[haughty geode]

A hairy ginger that tastes good?

[crude slate]

Nowdays its called Indonesia after (Demanding) Independance, so Partly yes

[sage folio]

Sounds like it bru to me

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-wee-playing-leap-goat-gif-13497898

[mild gulch]

denmark* but yes

[crude slate]

its funny, that we have to Demand Independance. Such a fk up world

[keen glen]

well well well

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-gold-ship-gold-ship-horse-goldship-gif-4112349788114249616

[keen glen]

cows are cringe

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/steak-gif-24533842

[keen glen]

i like calf more

[mild gulch]

its the same thing

[keen glen]

they are smaller

[pine ember]

Nah its not

[slate canopy]

Anyway. Back to talking about Hell Let Loose

[covert elbow]

When Pacific

[mild gulch]

yeah anyway so germany lost 2 worldwars out of 2

somehow

[pine ember]

6 hours

[keen glen]

5hours and 55minutes

[pine ember]

Opa just drove through

[finite berry]

Right, it's desperately needed

[covert elbow]

Exactly. We need the Philippine campaign of 1942

[mild gulch]

Denmark fought heroicly just very briefly

war of attrition is for nerds

[pine ember]

6 hours is the time you needed to cross the country

[keen glen]

denmark barely had any men to fight

[mild gulch]

no it takes 4

[pine ember]

They later ended up on the eastern front somehow

[pine ember]

Not in 1940

[covert elbow]

They should add tank destroyers to HLL

[keen glen]

nah

[mild gulch]

Well atleast denmark didnt use child soldiers when they starting losing the war

[pine ember]

They had no time to recruit them

[wintry thistle]

what a own

[keen glen]

and the organization

[wintry thistle]

desperate country uses children, who would have guessed

[mild gulch]

not all countries would stoop that low

some have honor

[keen glen]

child soliders were actually usefull but not ethic

[covert elbow]

Hence why the U.S. is the best in the world

We would never dream of having child labor

cough

[pine ember]

We gained ours back

[mild gulch]

when haha

[wintry thistle]

there is often times not honor in war

[pine ember]

Bro doesnt know history

[keen glen]

🥺

[mild gulch]

you have been paying reparations till 2010

stop losing wars! its alot cheaper

[pine ember]

Atleast we werent blitzed in 6 hours

[covert elbow]

I still don’t know why they added the bipod to both instances of the BAR

[pine ember]

As I said, I was being nice until now so you better stop it now

Its just a useless discussion

[covert elbow]

The caveat of adding the bipod to the MG class only was in almost every suggestion regarding it

[mild gulch]

No you just destroyed most of Europe and commited genocide

[keen glen]

oh damn he is adolf?

[pine ember]

Didnt know I was alive back then

[mild gulch]

Almost, i think he is a sympatizer

[pine ember]

Yes we did but we apologized and tried everything to compensate

[pine ember]

Lets start about the Inuit in Greenland

[mild gulch]

Lets talk about the treaty of versailles

[pine ember]

Havent you said your Grandpa was on the eastern front? Was he forced to go there?

[mild gulch]

Nah he went willingly

[keen glen]

🫥

[pine ember]

And you say I am guilty he died there?

[mild gulch]

Yeah indirectly

[pine ember]

No, I aint

[covert elbow]

Obvious troll being obvious, wow

Get a life gobbo

[mild gulch]

dude he was low rank, wasnt just ss who fought in eastern Europe

[pine ember]

So what?

[mild gulch]

Why are you taking this so personally?

[pine ember]

A lot of young men didnt have a choice

[pine ember]

Why did you even bring up that topic?

I said you should stop or I will also get that personal

[mild gulch]

I didnt? you just get defensive when I say that germany had lost 2 worldwars which is a fact

[silk igloo]

didnt start either one

[pine ember]

Just look up what you wrote after that then

[mild gulch]

germany didnt start ww2?

[pine ember]

I think its time for the <@&365680483276816385>

[silk igloo]

it was the empires of france and britain that declared war on germany, you know. because of... poland that they left for dead as soon as soviets invaded too

[covert elbow]

I swear y’all need a lesson in identifying obvious rage bait

[mild gulch]

insane take lol

[covert elbow]

Wait are you being serious?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-whatever-go-my-true-scarab-go-my-scarab-morgan-freeman-gif-3091971228562826566

[finite berry]

I mean, he isn't wrong. Germany started the aggression, but if you look at it formally, he's right

[silk igloo]

its the truth though. later british press at the time pinned katyn on nazis despite knowing that the soviets did it, and even later brits urged the warsaw uprising despite knowing that stalin didnt recognize their government

[wintry thistle]

Germany was declared war upon by France and Britain

[silk igloo]

seems pretty clear to me that poland was only a discardable tool

[wintry thistle]

Hitler was surprised it happened to put it simply

[mild gulch]

Nope. They had a defensive alliance with poland so germany started it

[pine ember]

They got left behind

[mild gulch]

formally and legally germany invaded a country which britain and France had a defensive pact with, forcing them to declare war

[silk igloo]

but they didnt declare war on the soviets.

[mild gulch]

your point?

[pine ember]

And they still didnt do nothing

The Saar offensive was a joke

[analog apex]

Germany didn't declare the war, but sure as hell it started it

[pine ember]

They left Poland on its own

[silk igloo]

referring to a malicious treaty as a justification for declaring war on germany, and then saying that germany started the war, is just lying

[mild gulch]

malicious treaty? It was a defensive alliance

Pretty basic stuff

[silk igloo]

that was discarded by the brits and french as soon as it became inconvenient

[echo karma]

Russia reeeeee

[pine ember]

Still they didnt defend it

[wintry thistle]

The west turned it's back on the Czechs twice

[echo karma]

They both slapped poland

[limpid marten]

Why are you people hung up on declarations of war, does putins 3 day special operation not count as a war because he decided not to call it one?

[mild gulch]

that doesnt change anything, just saying that they had to declare war so germany did start it

[finite berry]

True

[pine ember]

The 3 day operation that lasts since 4 years?

[echo karma]

Technically they didn't join Italy or Japan till late no?

[silk igloo]

did britain fight against ussr or not?

[mild gulch]

Just got warned by the staff (secret german agents) that i have to drop the topic

[pine ember]

They are Right though

And they aren’t German

[mild gulch]

no cause then they would never win a game

[pine ember]

LOL funny

[limpid marten]

Yeah we wouldn't want the rabble discussing current events, politics and history now would we, that type of stuff must be censored and silenced because that's what the good guys do right?

[pine ember]

Huh

[acoustic steeple]

I wouldn’t even say anything tbh that’s a silly comment

[limpid marten]

Yes very silly of me I must apologize

[cosmic pilot]

My hll meme I posted was deleted because it was "90 percent not about hll"

[pine ember]

Just keep it hell let loose and the rest is for #off-topic-mess-hall

[limpid marten]

Doesn't take a lot of scrolling to see you should take your own advice MR panzergrenadier

No Access is a great channel though not gonna lie

[pine ember]

I only started because others started mr Agent

[limpid marten]

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

[pine ember]

Should rename you into Philosopher404

[finite berry]

He's right, tho

Just because someone starts talking nonsense doesn't mean you have to jump on

[mild gulch]

we wouldnt want to discuss ww2 in a game about ww2

[silk igloo]

go to Channels & Roles at the top left and tick off-topic to see it

[pine ember]

No Problem with that

But you just started that whole thing without a reason

[silk igloo]

fighting about ww2 is always a good reason

[smoky urchin]

The guy baits arguments and reactions, I banned him from my server and community for it. Don't waste your breath with the guy

[mild gulch]

Anyone who disagrees with him he bans

Read his steam profile comments

[finite berry]

We already figured he baits arguments 😄

[pine ember]

You can’t Save the ship from sinking

[smoky urchin]

It's a matter of time before he's community wide banned. He's a trained lawyer by the way, be careful.

[silk igloo]

i wish.

[mild gulch]

sure mr Reddit mod

I just play the game

[silk igloo]

gobbo should sue and dox me, get some action in my life

[pine ember]

Lawyers dont behave Like that

[mild gulch]

Im not a lawyer lol

[smoky urchin]

I know, that's what he claimed when he came to my community discord

Talked himself into a ban then had friends post AI slop appeals. Guy thinks he's actually clever.

[mild gulch]

Complete lie and unrelated to hell let loose <@&365680483276816385>

[wintry thistle]

why do all trolls talk the same

is there like a troll school or something

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

[wintry thistle]

lmao

[mild gulch]

Everyone you disagree with isnt a troll fyi

Democracy was made by debate

[pine ember]

It was

But you just started a topic that didnt need to be started

Like in what era do you live that someone mentions Germany and you need to start with "they never won a war"??

[mild gulch]

Let it go dude

Lets talk about why the flamethrower needs buffs

[wise kelp]

Is the game still alive?

[echo karma]

Take it too ww2 history Channel before bear smites you

[pine ember]

You started it

[echo karma]

Also where Ben? Haven't seen him in awhike

[pine ember]

I just wanna know

[echo karma]

Awhile

[silk igloo]

the game was fine in 2019 when the player numbers were between 500-1500, you people have kept saying ever since that the game is dying, yet it keeps hitting new peaks every year

[mild gulch]

Unless power hungry admins keep banning people

[echo karma]

It largely died April of last year? Majority of the pkayerbase left

[pine ember]

Behave and nothing will happen

[echo karma]

It was like 6 or 8k in a month. Gone.

[mild gulch]

There needs to be more english servers

90% is german

[finite berry]

True

[echo karma]

But isint that rp?

Wait till you play holdfast lol

[pine ember]

Also can anyone tell me why I get banned from a French server that requires French or English language but then only French is ok and even though I speak French they kick me???

[silk igloo]

well, you're german and the frenchies hate you

[limpid marten]

First time interacting with the french huh?

[pine ember]

Nah

My French is pretty decent

[limpid marten]

Surely the french arrogance needs no further explanation

[silk igloo]

damn the french and their... huge protest movements that let them retire at 62

[pine ember]

Hon hon hon lets ban le German gui even though il parle le Baguette

[silk igloo]

oohh shiny

[limpid marten]

Yes I'm sure the stereotype is based on their retirement age

[trail frigate]

Is enemy proximity chat a thing yet?

[mild gulch]

Huge respect to France for building nuclear reactors while Germany tears their own down to mine more coal

[pine ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1411642411909910529/1453742437087318198/attachment.gif

[neat urchin]

@fluid pawn whens the new weapons coming? need them asap!

[pine ember]

Why hate us so much?

[pine ember]

A can of Maple syrup

[mild gulch]

What do you mean

[dusty bolt]

that footage in the dev brief was recorded on glow's blueberry dreams 🙂

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[pine ember]

Like what did we did to you that you reduce us to WWs and like it that the French build nuclear power plants near the border?

[pine ember]

Le glorious baguette

[mild gulch]

This is a pro nuclear discord sorry

[finite berry]

Alright guys, stop bashing Frenchies, time to shittalk Conquest

[trail frigate]

did they ever add enemy proximity chat? Haven’t played in a while

[finite berry]

No

[dusty bolt]

that will never happen

[finite berry]

Luckily not

[trail frigate]

Why not

[limpid marten]

Herr panzer have you ever considered that your incessant need to defend Germany at the slightest hint of criticism might be the reason he's continuing to feed bait

[dusty bolt]

come on, use your brain cells are figure out why

[crude slate]

Could u Imagine that we actually have 10000 nuclear on the face of the earth? How the hooked nose Played us.

[neat urchin]

Why they keep losing

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-thankyou-michael-scott-theoffice-thanks-gif-9222847

[trail frigate]

Every other game that has it is really fun with it idk why you’re saying this like it would destroy the game

[silk igloo]

while it would be hilarious, it'd only work against people when they speak in local and reveal themselves to the enemy. people take this game too seriously

[dusty bolt]

people will be super toxic for one

[finite berry]

Which games even have it

[trail frigate]

Who cares about toxicity

[wintry thistle]

hearing enemy chat is fun but lowers the seriousness

[finite berry]

Exactly

[trail frigate]

Arma, rising storm, insurgency

[finite berry]

In 90% of the cases, it would just ruin immersion

[novel geyser]

Hll immersion is paper thin as is

[trail frigate]

They better add it to the Vietnam game

[wintry thistle]

your not hearing important info, your hearing some spastic yelling

[trail frigate]

Because it always felt so silent playing HLL

[finite berry]

Then talk to your team mates

[dusty bolt]

playing on the wrong servers then

[novel geyser]

Id rather character voice lines instead of global proximity chat

[mild gulch]

I like the idea of enemy proxy chat

[trail frigate]

Sorry I just think it’d be cool to hear enemies planning stuff

Makes it more chaotic

[lucid gazelle]

mod tools?

[novel geyser]

Horse tools?

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/trust-in-time-benjamin-engvid-have-patience-wait-for-the-right-time-gif-25084152

[silk igloo]

taunts would be nice. Komm her, du amerikanisches schwein!

[trail frigate]

You don’t even play the game

[fluid pawn]

No horse in this one sorry

[novel geyser]

"See you in hell or Berlin, whichever i get to first"

[trail frigate]

Too bad there’s no voice lines, because it gets REALLY quiet

[finite berry]

Yes. So? Talk to your team mates if your match is too quiet lol

[silk igloo]

Добро пожаловать в Берлин, товарищи!

[trail frigate]

When trying to find enemies, a game that has a good mix is rising storm 2

[finite berry]

Berlin is hell

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-triggered-oof-pain-emoji-gif-13602646

[trail frigate]

Nobody talks, it’d just be nice to have it as an option

[finite berry]

Please not. Such lines are beyond cringe

[trail frigate]

That’s why I said you don’t even play the game

[novel geyser]

People tend to bring up that they dont want to be discovered while hiding because of voice lines but I honestly never got that feeling in rs2

[silk igloo]

only in your native language. google translate is a gift to mankind

[finite berry]

Yeah, but why? There is no real benefit to it aside from "it'd be cool (sometimes)"

[trail frigate]

It fits so well in rs2

[pine ember]

But was the criticism needed here? I wouldnt say so. If someone wants a civil discussion, sure, lets go

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[novel geyser]

Voice lines help a lot with context queues and immersion

[pine ember]

G43 for snipers?

[trail frigate]

There is a benefit though, you can call out the enemy to distract them or hear some information

[silk igloo]

oh, the experimental branch is already updated. preload

[novel geyser]

Swag

[trail frigate]

And balancing people camping for too long

Which is probably what you meant

[mild gulch]

They need new audio for the OPs. It says hotdog 7 every 10 seconds

[pine ember]

Thats too iconic

Bring back the old Soviet sound!!!!

[trail frigate]

The only sounds I hear in the game are hot dog 7 and gunshots

[silk igloo]

bring back bugle boy victory music for americans

[trail frigate]

It feels SO QUIET

[mild gulch]

Buff flamethrowers

[limpid marten]

This is so steretypically German the jokes write themselves, HE'S BAITING YOU FOR REACTIONS not having a discussion hahaha

[pine ember]

Oh ja

Who even said I am German?

[limpid marten]

Just a hunch

[finite berry]

More like the extremely rare exception that proves the rule.

[finite berry]

this

[trail frigate]

You have never played a game with proximity chat before

[silk igloo]

the benefit is that we're having a more fun time you fools

[trail frigate]

Forreal

It’s a game and not a competitive one at that

[finite berry]

With enemy proximity chat, no. With proximity chat, yes

[trail frigate]

So you have no idea what I’m trying to say

[mild gulch]

The internet was better before everything called everything baiting. People can have different opinions

[trail frigate]

Go broaden your horizons

[finite berry]

It's also funny that you want enemy proximity chat because no one is talking while this would at least risk experienced players outsourcing their communication to VCs outside of the game to avoid detection

[pine ember]

They can but not anything needs to be said

[trail frigate]

They already do that

[finite berry]

Correct, now act accordingly

[pine ember]

I already did

[finite berry]

And enemy prox would potentially make it even worse

[echo karma]

Is this dev diary like there ama video or a showcase video?

[pine ember]

If I said everything I though here I would be banned by now

[trail frigate]

Play a game like arma and you’d understand what I mean

[finite berry]

I'm sure it can be fun in Arma, but in HLL? Eh, doubting it

[trail frigate]

There was a ww2 server on there and it was so funny hearing people scream with German accents while the Americans were attacking a point

[mild gulch]

Dm it to me then

[pine ember]

No thanks

[trail frigate]

HLL is more casual than arma imo

More arcadey

[mild gulch]

hahahah

[finite berry]

Exactly, that's the point

[snow pond]

🤔

[trail frigate]

So why you’re saying people take the more arcadey game a lot more serious

[dusty bolt]

then why are you playing it?

stop ruining it 🙁

[finite berry]

I said the opposite

[mild gulch]

Hey dont use gay as an insult. Just reported you

[trail frigate]

Go play arma reforger

[finite berry]

Potentially at some point

[pine ember]

He already does I think

[finite berry]

Nope

[mild gulch]

Have you read Nietzche

[dusty bolt]

hey man im 4. please show some respect

[trail frigate]

He’s never played a game with enemy proximity chat and he’s saying enemy proximity chat is bad

[pine ember]

Who?

[trail frigate]

Makes no sense to me

[pine ember]

It would be bad for HLL though

[mild gulch]

Cmon man

[pine ember]

I dont know who you mean

[finite berry]

I'm saying it would have little positive impact and that "it's fun lmao" is not a convincing argument

[mild gulch]

how old are you

[pine ember]

Doesnt matter

I only know Nietzsche

[trail frigate]

I’ve had this game for 6 years been playing on and off, if the Vietnam game doesn’t have it, or at the very least voicelines, it’ll feel like a quiet game. That is the point I’m trying to make

[mild gulch]

Thats what I wrote

[tender current]

Yow, I'm looking for people who could teach me the ropes of this game, I just bought it and I do not know what I'm doing

[pine ember]

You wrote Nietzche

[mild gulch]

no it was autocorrect

[pine ember]

Which would be someone different

[mild gulch]

Im on phone

[finite berry]

Yeah, I get that, but then there should be incentives to get people to talk to their team mates, not add enemy proxy

[finite berry]

Welcome. Do you need help with something specifically?

[honest pecan]

enemy proximity chat in a game where both sides speak different languages

[trail frigate]

no voicelines in the game so you have silent enemies

Boring

[honest pecan]

Yeah, so? They scream. That's enough immersion lol

[tender current]

more or less just finding some people I could team up with, so I could get the feel for this game

[honest pecan]

On the other hand, enemy proximity chat would kill all immersion

[trail frigate]

Look at rising storm as an example of what I’m talking about

[finite berry]

Ask in #new-recruit-barracks or #pc-looking-for-unit

[tender current]

alright, thanks

[trail frigate]

I’m sure if this game had it by default nobody would be complaining

[honest pecan]

Both voice lines and enemy proximity chat fundamentally don't fit into HLL as a game. You could as well point to War Thunder and say "but War Thunder has planes! Why can't HLL?"

[trail frigate]

Literally what are you talking about

[finite berry]

You're welcome. If you have specific questions, just ask, people usually will help you.

[mild gulch]

Avoid the for tea and country server. Abusive staff

[honest pecan]

Yeah bro if this game was a sandbox survival by default no one would complain if the devs added a poison potion crafting recipe, but it wasn't

[trail frigate]

Have you ever played rising storm?

[honest pecan]

Non sequitur

[trail frigate]

It’s a war game, first person war game, voice lines, immersion, etc

What’s HLL? a war game, first person

[honest pecan]

You're so right! Every arcade milsim should look exactly the same!

Give this guy a noble prize

[mild gulch]

Dude whats with you attitude

[silk igloo]

Get into a squad that has an officer with comms. Help him with whatever he needs and stay around him. Just tell him that you're new and he should gladly help you with whatever mechanic. If nobody in your squad talks, find another one. Change team or server if you have to.

[honest pecan]

The other guy is comparing HLL to his favourite game and says that the Devs should do it like they do it in his favourite game, which is something a 12yo would do

[mild gulch]

Yeah that guy is a dork

[trail frigate]

I’m a 12 year old because I think this game is too silent whenever I play leading to me getting bored because it feels like it takes me forever to find an enemy. And it feels like they skimped out on the immersion because there’s no voice acting and barely anyone speaks in game. And I’m a dork because one of the best Vietnam games has some great features that I would love to see in the upcoming Vietnam game 👍 great argument guys

[mild gulch]

@pine ember lets 1v1

[honest pecan]

Nothing to disagree with btw

"Game is too boring" your mind is broken from watching reels 24/7 like idk what to tell you

[trail frigate]

I’ve had the game for 6 years I guess reels fried my brain

[blissful jungle]

Yeah I mean it is a "war game" and last I checked you still had to walk 40 miles to find an enemy just to get domed in the head. It's semi-realistic

[trail frigate]

I’m just tired of not being able to find anyone

[mild gulch]

they didnt walk in war. they marched

[honest pecan]

Git gud

[trail frigate]

I really hope the Vietnam game is close quarters

[honest pecan]

Brother do you know ANYTHING about the Vietnam war

[blissful jungle]

Yeah but the entire game is supposed to be start/stop.

[mild gulch]

buddy vietnam is gonna be a jungle

you are not gonna find anyone

[trail frigate]

They could screw it up and just make it giant fields

[honest pecan]

Just play enlisted at this point

[trail frigate]

Enlisted sucks

[honest pecan]

It's exactly the game you're describing

Voicelines, close quarter, dynamic

[trail frigate]

RISING STORM 2

[finite berry]

Except the voice lines are giga cringe :D

[blissful jungle]

Yeah, their movement sucks.

[trail frigate]

I keep saying that game because it’s a great example of an amazing Vietnam game

[trail frigate]

Feels so janky

[blissful jungle]

Yeah I feel like I get stuck on everything

[trail frigate]

I hope they add some city maps but not like this game

[honest pecan]

Yeah let's make this Vietnam game not like Vietnam at all

[trail frigate]

?????

[blissful jungle]

Yeah like Saigon, Da Nang, or Huê

[trail frigate]

Yeah exactly

[blissful jungle]

Hue?

[trail frigate]

Idk what Julius is talking about

He’s asking me if I knew anything about that war but then he says that

[blissful jungle]

Yeah

[trail frigate]

Like they don’t have to have the war zones with all of the buildings being leveled

[novel geyser]

bro trying to say jungle combat doesnt have close quaters fighting

[trail frigate]

Ik it does

I hope the viet can put traps down and stuff

Like the engineer

[novel geyser]

hopefully, but they've said they're planning on having the teams be more "traditional" and not including the viet cong, just the NVA
which is a bit lame tbh

[crude slate]

Starwars battlefront 2

[trail frigate]

That’s lame

[novel geyser]

NVA should also get traps really but depends how they do it

[trail frigate]

It’d be cool if you could build pits

[novel geyser]

even if it launches with just the US army and NVA, they really need to consider adding the viet cong later

[trail frigate]

Place traps in trees

viet cong is iconic to that war

That’s literally what most people think of when they think of the war

[honest pecan]

Lmao

Do you think the average player expects to fight in open fields or urban environments when going into a Vietnam game?

[trail frigate]

Yes I do think they’ll expect an urban environment

[novel geyser]

theres.. going to be more than one map you know

[honest pecan]

Wishful thinking lol

[honest pecan]

So?

[trail frigate]

I said I hope they won’t do an empty field but rice paddies so exist

[finite berry]

It will come alongside the Pacific for HLL

[trail frigate]

Yes let’s have every map be a jungle

[novel geyser]

So... there is plenty of room for urban maps, Idk what point you're trying to make

[honest pecan]

You don't understand his point actually

[trail frigate]

???

[novel geyser]

you arent making any sense

[honest pecan]

That's your impression

You don't know what the original argument was

[trail frigate]

What?

[novel geyser]

okay what was it then

[honest pecan]

And he just moved the goalpost by saying "I only want SOME Urban and open maps"

[novel geyser]

lmao what

[trail frigate]

Did you think I said I wanted every map to be urban?

[honest pecan]

Wanting a Vietnam game to have specifically those types of maps is not a deranged position at all, I'm the stupid one for wanting a Vietnam game to feel like Vietnam you're right, I'm wrong, gg

[honest pecan]

You're shifting the goalpost

[trail frigate]

What’s your impression of Vietnam?

[mild gulch]

Ladyboys

[novel geyser]

hes not he literally said "some maps" when he mentioned urban maps

and wanting the game to be "close quaters" doesnt mean all maps be urban

[honest pecan]

Ok

[trail frigate]

Your point?

[honest pecan]

Why are you defending him lol, like, it's obvious what his original point was

[novel geyser]

Im defending him because you're grossly misunderstanding him

[trail frigate]

This guys out to get me for some reason

[honest pecan]

You are, and he just felt that he'd lose if he stuck to his original point so he moved the goalpost

[trail frigate]

Yeah voice lines would be cool in this game

[novel geyser]

???

[trail frigate]

That was what I originally said

Idk if I can recall the trailer having them

[novel geyser]

dont think it did

it was just le epic music and people running very slowly with explosions everywhere

[trail frigate]

But hearing Vietnamese being spoken in the trees would be immersive, that’s not what I was talking about with the maps though

And I moved on from that because the topic was getting stale

Dragging teammates is pretty cool

I do remember that in the trailer

[novel geyser]

they really just cramming vietnam with all the things people wanted in the ww2 game

[trail frigate]

I wonder if they’ll bring that here

[novel geyser]

vietnam gets mortars and we get freakin """SPAs"""

[trail frigate]

Are they both the same engine?

I wonder if they’ll bring it over once stuff gets polished

[novel geyser]

different engine

[vast orchid]

Hll is in UE4 HllV will be in UE5

[trail frigate]

Ahhh I thought they updated it to ue5

[novel geyser]

vietnam is ground up though so they're more free to do what they like
black matter are known to have been terrible with programming HLL making it harder to make big changes

hence tons of new bugs every update and why BM never really added any significant changes to the gameplay

[trail frigate]

Oh nice, I hope the game play feels different

[novel geyser]

it better, HLL is so clunky

[trail frigate]

SWIMMING

[novel geyser]

RS2 will remain the definitive 'nam game to me, gunplay is unmatched imo

[trail frigate]

Rs2 is the best gunplay I’ve ever had in a game

I kept talking about it as an example before because it’s really such a great game

[novel geyser]

yea

[trail frigate]

They’re coming out with a new game but it doesn’t feel as good imo

[novel geyser]

Im more looking forward to the black orchestra mod rather than HLLV

They'd really have to impress me to get me to care about HLLV

[fluid pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-FOECeB_o
We're live now 😄

[trail frigate]

???

[novel geyser]

black orchestra a rising storm 2 mod in the works

[trail frigate]

I just looked it up

That looks sweet

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-jolly-happy-rainbow-and-sunshine-gif-11154688262827409004

Im so EXCITED !!!!!

[main harness]

"This removes linear frontlines and encourages flanking"

This is pure evidence that the devs have NEVER played a public match.

[gloomy quartz]

shut up tanker

[novel geyser]

doesnt look terrible

I think more modes is a good thing warfare kinda stinks tbh

[finite berry]

Can someone give me a summary of the dev brief, please? Can't watch it now

[main harness]

It looks exactly like I predicted when it was first announced. A cheap rip off of the BF format

Rather than fixing the game...

[fluid pawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/1r9wd2m/dev_brief_213_what_is_conquest_early_playtest/

[gloomy quartz]

BF is a great game so should be good then

[main harness]

@fluid pawn when are we getting balancing fixes and armour fixes?

[silk igloo]

I think conquest could be much more fun than many warfare matches, because teams will naturally spread out around the multiple objectives instead of becoming a lemming train that gets flanked by a single guy, and losing one point cannot be so catastrophic. It makes more sense to stay inside the strongpoint too since you're very unlikely to get encircled on one when the enemy team is spread around the map, just as you are. However, if everything is otherwise the same as it is in warfare, then you'll just have even more objectives to defend against people spawning in your rear. I still think that recon should not be able to capture points, and in conquest this could be even more important to make it enjoyable for both sides, since recon's purpose will likely be to harass rear/undefended points and force defenders to redeploy, which is not fun either. I think the mode will work better on open maps since the points will be connected by line of sight and the fight on one will be relevant to another, but in more dense, urban maps, conquest might devolve into separate firefights and sneaky spawns that are completely uncontrollable (also there's no mad dash to the mid point, which helps a lot too in making the game more balanced and steady, so to speak)

[lime umbra]

April Fools' day today or what is that bs nobody asked for XD

[gilded spade]

Big bug fix we need

[main harness]

Ground breaking new moral system which is 100% not just a really simple ticket system. Its ground breaking.

[lime umbra]

Fix the game instead of introducing useless mode and for sure new bugs

[fluid pawn]

Conquest is just one new thing coming. We'll be continuing to work on updates, bug fixes, and balancing throughout the year dw

[main harness]

I am worried though.

[lime umbra]

🤡

[gloomy quartz]

Istg T17 could release the most banger game of the year winning update and there still be idiots complaining about it

[novel geyser]

my BIGGEST issue with warfare is the lack of win conditions, its a glorified king of the hill and if you dont take the final point its basically just an hour and a half of filler until the round timer ends and whoever has the middle point wins

[regal wigeon]

Wambulance is on the way brother

[lime umbra]

Dont worry, nobody will play this anyway xd

[novel geyser]

cant say for sure yet, but knowing how much this community whine and complain I wouldnt be surprised

[lime umbra]

How many times u have played skirmish?

Even offensive modes are not played that often

[finite berry]

Grazie

[novel geyser]

skirmish just isnt that interesting and wasnt planned to be 50v50 which garunteed its death

[mild gulch]

How much does Ben bench?

[novel geyser]

this mode atleast has something to it

[novel geyser]

I prefer offensive to warfare tbh
but its still not perfect

[fluid pawn]

very little I'm afraid. more of a runner/sports person than gym person

[finite berry]

By the looks of it, Conquest doesn't look that bad, but I doubt it'll stick around long with the community

[novel geyser]

running from all the horse suggestions

[mild gulch]

whats your 5/km time

[fluid pawn]

hopefully community input from this test will help shape it into somethign that will stick around 🙂

[robust bolt]

<@&363879337247637505> Tell your devs to stop abbreviating Control Point😂😭

[fluid pawn]

you know it

[silk igloo]

there's usually 2-3 full offensive-only servers up at any time, isnt there? that's plenty.

[fluid pawn]

Noted 🫡 😅

[main harness]

not fast enough(because he isnt on a horse)

[novel geyser]

REAL

[gilded spade]

Thanks for your opinion ma’am
Insightful

[oak current]

I smirked when I saw this on steam today
was wondering if HLL would be in it

[mild gulch]

There werent horses in ww2

[finite berry]

You're welcome :)

[finite berry]

LOL

[fluid pawn]

depends on how much stress I'm under before I start

[finite berry]

Had to chuckle, ngl

[novel geyser]

its true they werent invented until after

[main harness]

Ya people just used to run around on their dragons before they invented horses.

[novel geyser]

this is true

[fluid pawn]

no you can't have dragons in HLL

[novel geyser]

:(

what about flame tanks

[lunar hornet]

Anyone posting ragebait about the dev diary, I am here to be engaged 🍿

[lime umbra]

We already have teleports, flying tanks... why not dragons then?

[finite berry]

Conquest is a great idea

[past veldt]

@thin lotus I need my opinion, please deliver it

[chrome bane]

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-invincible-gif-15950173611998718110

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hawkeye-no-please-no-no-sad-gif-16886381

[gilded spade]

Can’t we have less bugs that T17 introduced throughout the years?

[past veldt]

Ben, when Hello Kitty Tiger?

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-maga-dvrk-maga-dvrk-mvgv-dvrk-mvga-trust-the-plan-gif-25183720

[novel geyser]

the mode looks pretty good :)

[fluid pawn]

my 5km time about to be 10 mins if you start up...

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1471943080314667058/attachment.gif

[lime umbra]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[novel geyser]

a real question though, when subfactions :^)

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-gif-26229659

[novel geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma985-jumpscare-gif-8749933868545174937

[true ruin]

Is there anything in place to make sure conquest works on consoles and doesn’t break the rest of the game again 👀

[oak current]

"teleports behind you"

its the same opinion as always

[gloomy quartz]

@finite berry have you bought the game yet?

[finite berry]

Of course not

[gloomy quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974430007432736815/1435388231058460824/attachment.gif

[gilded spade]

I’m not asking much. It is not that I’m asking for a new gamemode or something

[finite berry]

Ironically, a new gamemode is sometimes easier that some bug fixes

[novel geyser]

I mention subfactions and ben disappears 😮‍💨

maybe its because they're hiding them from us

[fluid pawn]

Trying to sort out the lovely 404 error on the website dev brief

[novel geyser]

horse sabotage

[fluid pawn]

Should be up soon, however Steam and Reddit are live for the dev briefs

[fluid pawn]

plus the team who have done the new mode are different devs to those who would be fixing certain issues

[finite berry]

That's another aspect, yep

[novel geyser]

people do often forget devs of a game arent a collective mind stored in a brain in a jar

[neon stone]

Is it In the public testing branch

[finite berry]

Many players forget that devs can only work on specific aspects and things

[fleet jacinth]

@fluid pawn link to the hll website is broken in the announcement

[novel geyser]

he knows

damn the UI is huge

[cosmic pilot]

He'll let loose

[fringe hollow]

what's conquest, too busyto watch

[fluid pawn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/1438216100046438450/1474415560606355604

[finite berry]

Basically Battlefield's Conquest

[fleet jacinth]

some silly new mode tha no-one wants

[fluid pawn]

Yeah just a website issue. Getting it resolved as we speak

[finite berry]

With tickets but the tickets are called morale

[fringe hollow]

i don't know what to think about that in hll

guess I'll keep playing something else and see

[novel geyser]

calling them morale is a strange thing, might aswell just call it reinforcements

although there is nothing in the game really saying its morale, likely will just get called tickets anyways

[finite berry]

I think it will die relatively quick

[cosmic pilot]

Three center strong points, and two rear strong points, all capturable at the same time.
Victory condition is reducing your opposing teams moral to zero

[finite berry]

Exactly

[cosmic pilot]

It's not that weird

[finite berry]

We could play another ww2 tactical shooter together, yippee

[fleet jacinth]

Indeed, Skirmish II

[silk igloo]

hooray for 3 free jeeps

[cosmic pilot]

It's semantics, but it just emphasis that the reason you lost is not totally running out of bodies

By calling it moral it also means the can merge the death cost and the capture time cost together

[silk igloo]

i already love conquest, 3 default jeeps? we only ever asked for one in warfare

[cosmic pilot]

Should be 3 default half-tracks

[lunar hornet]

Doubt it'll never get played, but doubt it will overtake offensive mode in popularity

[finite berry]

I agree

[fringe hollow]

it's the fast paced, attack all the time mode where you don't need to defend it seems.

at least that's my prediction for the pubs

[silk igloo]

you would lose all your spawns if you dont defend though, so that wont work

[fringe hollow]

actually skillful players maybe not

[fluid pawn]

Be sure to submit suggestions to the devs here:

🔗 Conquest Community Feedback Form

[fleet jacinth]

It just doesn't suit the deliberate slow pace of HLL.

[gilded spade]

So you are telling me they are still trying to fix bugs from last September update or even 2024 and later?

I don’t think so

[cosmic pilot]

Don't hit on me like that 🫦

[novel geyser]

a huge issue with these public tests is that no one plays them tbh

a total of 6 people in this server

[cosmic pilot]

Hll is the opposite of slow and deliberate

[novel geyser]

more people need to be unemployed fr fr

[cosmic pilot]

It's 10am on a Friday

[lime umbra]

It's funny because there is a guy somewhere in feedback channels posting all visual / graphic bugs, it looks like it's all he does in this game xd and those bugs are still with us, poor guy

[cosmic pilot]

Jobless man hours

[lunar hornet]

yank time detected ⏰

[finite berry]

I'm telling you that fixing a bug sometimes is not as easy and that there are other things that might be more important in their eyes

[cosmic pilot]

Break time is also over 😭

[fleet jacinth]

Well I just mean that it's not supposed to be full on charge from one point to the next as fast as you can.

[cosmic pilot]

Well, it is

If you think different you're delusional

[fleet jacinth]

Fair enough, you do you.

[wintry thistle]

me

[novel geyser]

theres always people playing the none test branch

[gilded spade]

T17 is ignoring feedback? Would you believe it

[fluid pawn]

Also communities can bring their own servers owner, such as what Soul and Draft are doing tomorrow 😄
https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/1105485222188957716/1474418716535165089

[fluid pawn]

That player is doing amazing work, and our dev team regularly goes through that thread to help with their visual bug fixing work

[dusty bolt]

Holy crap there's so many messages in here

[gilded spade]

What about performance bug fixing? Isn’t that a tiny more important?

[dusty bolt]

@molten sail how are you mate

[molten sail]

hello im doing good sir

just uploaded yet another banger!

[dusty bolt]

show me

[main harness]

Unban Scythe so I can farm him in HQ on glows x

[molten sail]

⚠️ fake fan ⚠️

[split hamlet]

Anyone know if any servers open up for exp tonight or have to wait for tomorrows event?

[oak current]

people are already playing conquest atm @split hamlet

[split hamlet]

Nice!! Im hyped!

[dusty bolt]

No x