mess-hall

[past vortex]

now you cant turn it bakc on :}

btw it has been over 2 weeks now, its crazy

[random beacon]

what happens if u turn off smart app control? is dangerous for my PC

[past vortex]

sac is quite like what paid AVs do
it is safer but also more prone to false positives
the problem with SAC is that you cant turn it back on or make exceptions

[hard whale]

When Canada are coming?

[slate canopy]

Sometime this year.

[past vortex]

after the horse update

[stuck bluff]

Keep moving, we've taken a German OP!

[lone tangle]

Unfortunately i didnt check that

[modest agate]

I'd be so down for the first 2 updates just to be debug’s and performance refreshes and cleanups on the maps and mechanics

Great way to start the new year

[past vortex]

we already have a great start
the game not working for people with default windows settings on PC, only 2 weeks for now
that sets the tone for things to come id say

[nova pivot]

Also where are the results

[past vortex]

my guess is they got many magnitudes more votes than there are players :}

[nova pivot]

Or they thought we would choose one of them 100% and they already had it half done, but the other one got elected and they are thinking about how to tell us that we are only getting 2 maps or the one that lost

[past vortex]

how would anyone know who lost (except ben) :}

[nova pivot]

The mods know

I have no proof but I have no doubts

[past vortex]

:D

[slate canopy]

I don't know 🙁

[past vortex]

so the other mods didnt tell you?

[slate canopy]

😢 I'm left out

[past vortex]

:O

rude

[nova pivot]

🫂

[twin girder]

the country? 10m km^2 map?

[hard whale]

Update

[nova pivot]

Never

The game is being shut down next month

They spent all the budget on Ben's Salary

[fiery mulch]

Hi

[rancid dock]

Hi my DLC uniforms not showing up?

[sullen summit]

Is it known if Vietnam will have Australian stuff?

[slate canopy]

We know nothing beyond US and NVA.

You can stay up to date in #sit-reps and #base-camp, just need to get the Vietnam roles in id:customize

[sullen summit]

Alright, thanks. They’ll probably have them at some point

[slate canopy]

Yeah, we only know the two teasers, which gave more gameplay in the 2nd one... and that's it. 🤷‍♀️

Not even a release date out yet.

[sullen summit]

I thought they confirmed fall of this year

[slate canopy]

Not that I've seen anywhere. Their Steam page still just says 2026.

[sullen summit]

Ah, let’s hope it doesn’t get the GTA6 treatment

[finite berry]

That sounds way too plausible lol

[modest coral]

hello, has anyone gotten the problem where easy anti cheat wont let you launch the game recently?

this just started today

[finite berry]

Plenty of people have

[slate canopy]

Check your windows defender -> protection history. Allow it. If you have Smart App Control, you have to turn it off, which sadly currently cannot be turned on without a fresh windows install. (I have it turned off anyway, so it's not 100% needed like a windows defender/firewall)

[modest coral]

im guessing its either that or wait for an update

you would think easy anti cheat being the most used anti cheat that it'd be a bit better

[past vortex]

yea dont be impatient, its been only 2 weeks :}

[past vortex]

its not eac, its the steam hll exe (that gets loaded by eac)

[modest coral]

well at least i can play the game now

never even knew what smart app control was before tonight

thx

[past vortex]

windef also isnt 100% needed :}

[river rover]

I don't think most people know about any of the crap added. This is why it's not that big of a deal to even turn it off. These types of things cause more issues than what they are worth. Key is stay of the porn and watch everything you download and run. You should stay pretty safe overall.

[cyan wing]

Yo can anyone help me

I just bought HLL on PS5, tried hopping into the bootcamp shi or whatever and all my controls are inverted

i move with right stick, aim on right stick

I tried restarting the game and talking off the adaptive triggers but it just wont work

[river rover]

Sorry, I don't know console but isn't there an Invert setting for the controller instead of like Game Default or something?

[cyan wing]

I got it fixed no worries 🫡🫡

[novel geyser]

ben online, map results today

[worthy charm]

Eat your beans and hands off the copium

[novel geyser]

mmm beans

[vivid temple]

when does the next update come out

[main harness]

Vietnam is out next week

[midnight salmon]

hopefully never because they’ll just break the game even more

[cosmic pilot]

The duality of the hll player base.

[cosmic pilot]

"where's my content i need more content or I'll get bored"
"I hope the game never changes so I can keep doing the same thing over and over again"

[sacred pier]

hello @fluid pawn
(i hope you are fine with me posting this here)

Since long we dont have an update at https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/645036946976145409 posted.

And if you allow me to say - that https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/645036946976145409 chat its a mess.
I suggest you make it a Forum Chat (without permissions for ppl to talk in it), in order for you to create a Forum Thread for each map.
In Settings make it Gallery View.

PS: Dont foget the Skirmish maps also,

THANKS from, probably all comp communities and some map savvy enthusiasts

👋

[cosmic pilot]

I am hyrum solo and I approve this message

[empty steppe]

I am cheesecake and I also approve this message

[fluid pawn]

I am Ben and I like this message, will see what can done for you good sirs 🫡

[fluid pawn]

Not today, but

[echo karma]

8 days and 4 winters later and no Tele

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-bfdi-tv-bfdi-tv-from-bfdi-tv-stress-gif-6852630582214113782

[echo karma]

So March then. Gotcha

[fluid pawn]

no, don't worry ahah

[worthy charm]

Omg are you the real one?

He is back

[fluid pawn]

The real one? Wait, am I not real?!

https://tenor.com/view/robotics-robots-robot-explodes-exploding-robot-toy-robot-explodes-gif-2831034426877403481

[echo karma]

Probably end of February like the last day of quarter 1 again

[fluid pawn]

(sorry for the flash bang)

[echo karma]

Can we get an ama again

[fluid pawn]

In the process of getting some more community beats in order don't worry 🙂

[worthy charm]

@novel geyser Ben is here, so stop eating beans and ask about the map vote.

[nova pivot]

How were your holidays?

They have been long, about 20 days

[novel geyser]

he already said not yet... its rude to pry

but got damn it has been aaaages why no results yet smh

[worthy charm]

Ah now we care about manners?

[echo karma]

Gonna take em 4 months minimum for a new map. Yall already know the script chill daddy

[worthy charm]

Maybe they are working on something to show with the announcment of the winner? 🥹

[echo karma]

Unlikely

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/talk-lizard-ironic-gif-25847938

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-okay-slide-gif-15172486

[fluid pawn]

Holidays were good thanks! Just chilled mostly 🙂 Hope that you all had a good one as well!

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-patience-you-must-have-patience-gif-15254127

Also as I want to do the announce alongside some other info, just waitiong on that info ahah

[nova pivot]

Good to hear it, mine were just okay

[fluid pawn]

That's fair enough. Just hoping for a happy floppa

https://tenor.com/view/small-floppa-big-floppa-lynx-sound-of-poggers-big-chungus-gif-20022861

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-karr-kerr-hiss-fat-gif-25301966

[past veldt]

Meme theft smh

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-blah-blah-gif-13070641

Im not sorry, I need them more than you

[past veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/536396441208487956/1013140100202377307/degenerated_fuck.gif

I'd imagine that's getting deleted once Willes saves it

[echo karma]

Rename channel to spam gif channel

[lime umbra]

No because I cant spam gif, im opressed ;/

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-elmo-smite-blasphemy-fire-gif-16399494362253595444

[lime umbra]

Look

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-kirk-rakai-gif-3274982545442379672

[worthy charm]

The regime is always right

[obtuse dragon]

So uhhhh they still haven't made available the winter warfare DLC? 🥺

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1390196401983717398/1403518802494230528/minions-minion.gif

[midnight salmon]

all for change buddy but rockets flying through tanks, tanks flying, teleporting infantry, and game crashes aren’t „i don’t like change“ but „t17 doesn’t have quality control and every rushed major update will just break it more. and even if new maps like mortain or even smolensk are rarely played cuz the playstyle is not good for hll

[obtuse dragon]

Because like, we're almost 2 weeks on january 🥺

[worthy charm]

no

[cosmic pilot]

Check your Internet connection

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-pomni-smirk-smirk-gif-16561828646995621947

DLC Let loose

[worthy charm]

Ben is just edging you

You could call him an edgelord

:}

[obtuse dragon]

Like come on it's been a whole month it cannot be that hard to make it available 😭

Or atleast take more than an hour

[bitter panther]

did they reset levels for classes or am i tripping (havent played in a while)

[worthy charm]

Its a bug, should go away after a while

(= you get your levels back)

[bitter panther]

so this is just an update issue?

[worthy charm]

Its a normal issue

[bitter panther]

ah okay

[worthy charm]

Old as the game

If not older

[obtuse dragon]

Now that I think about it, with how buggy the game Is sometimes i'm genuinely wondering which one is the bug that has been on the game the longest, like that one bug that resets all of your settings

[keen glen]

there should be a chat for memes

@worthy charm

[worthy charm]

I dont do chat

s

[keen glen]

@vapid yarrow

[worthy charm]

Stop pinging people

[keen glen]

@knotty tundra

ok sure

[gentle lintel]

stop being mean

im kidding

listen to willes

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-s-gif-9063763

[split ridge]

Feel free to delete this and ban me if this isn't allowed but I wanted to see if I could get some input on any subjects or questions that people would be interested seeing in a HLL armor guide video.

I will share any and all sacred tanker knowledge I have learned over my ||way too many|| hours in the game.

Reply to this message and let me know!

[finite berry]

Instructions unclear, being mean to Willes now

[keen glen]

can someone summirze this

My attention span isn't enough

[echo karma]

Rebecca used to talk to us

[trail remnant]

Why is the game so dead on console? Either empty lobbies or lobbies half full if your lucky and no one talks anymore lol such a shame

[slate canopy]

Always could have more information. Definitely can post it in #1273828697941606450

[slate canopy]

Could be related to gamepass no longer free game. 🤔

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-anya-anya-forger-anya-forger-anime-anya-disgusted-gif-26846448

[merry cobalt]

can i convert my progress to steam? i played hell let lose with the xbox gamepass but now its gone 🙁

[arctic rampart]

no

[past vortex]

naw you need to buy on gamestore (idk if you could still convert)

[static condor]

im buzzing to get this game

[merry cobalt]

i would prefer to have it on steam thats the thing

[slate canopy]

Then you start at 0

[slate canopy]

Why not? 👀 get it!

[static condor]

not enough money yet😭

[merry cobalt]

its 9 euro

[static condor]

dawg ik

[slate canopy]

How about I gift it?

[static condor]

you dont need to do that

aktough i would thank you for the rest of my life

[echo karma]

It's cuz there's like 10 servers popping and official is dead. So you wait in que to play offensive on warfare when your bot teammates just hold w

[merry cobalt]

me too im poor student but i need it to play with my brother

xD

[slate canopy]

I would have to do it after work 😅 currently at work although be done soon

[static condor]

you sure dude

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ it be 20 bucks. Not a big deal. Just gotta put some money on my account (there is like $14 on it)

[merry cobalt]

its 10 dollars on key side

[static condor]

fuh you the goat ❤️

[past vortex]

8.5 bucks rn

[merry cobalt]

https://www.keyforsteam.de/hell-let-loose-key-kaufen-preisvergleich/

[past vortex]

wouldnt buy there

better look at isthereanydeal

[merry cobalt]

i bought like 20-30 games there

[past vortex]

yea it can work

[static condor]

cdkeys is the place i trust except steam etc

[merry cobalt]

you guys never heard of keysides???

i got xbox offer for 10 euro because i played it before in the game pass

[past vortex]

isthereanydeal checks if the stores really have resale deals, those other sites have a real risk

[merry cobalt]

never had a singel problem lol

i can recommend

[past vortex]

better dont

especially not if you spent serious money on steam

[merry cobalt]

why? im curious

do i miss somehting?

[past vortex]

well could be a stolen key

steam account can be at risk

the lesser risk is losing just one key

[merry cobalt]

i didnt know this

but i think g2a is legit

[past vortex]

idk, they are selling accounts...

thats fishy

in case of hll it seems they just made tons of free accounts and got the game for free, selling those now

thats not whate legit resale means :}

[glossy echo]

Anything about update 20?

[nova pivot]

No

Game is dead

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/stickydacat-gif-26502121

[worthy charm]

Sir this isnt S44

:}

[nova pivot]

@finite berry

Look at what that bad man said

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/indominus-indominus-rex-jurassic-world-eat-munch-gif-18331800106036569715

[worthy charm]

Made it a image so its only for cool people

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wild-robot-fink-dreamworks-truth-nuke-true-meme-gif-15944310851626529923

[slate canopy]

When I looked it up on Steam from Firefox it said $20. That's the Deluxe. I have the money on steam lol

[pine hull]

Well, at least the comp scene is slowly dying ^^

[molten sail]

[echo karma]

Gif chat

[kind hedge]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DTbE4azglXu/?igsh=MWl6eXJid3h3OHdzdQ==

William Knifeman is a HLL player

[worthy charm]

He called it a milsim 😬

[modest agate]

With them adding Canadian faction and a new Normandy map could we get hopes for Caen in the future I know maybe late 2026 if we even get it

[past vortex]

if the game is still running then

[echo karma]

When v release. Let h burn already

When v comes out and the developers have zero communication with the playerbase and change sprint speed randomly

[novel geyser]

I do wonder if they ever do add caen if it will be a british faction map or canadian faction

[echo karma]

Canadian slightly worse us

Probably would have same guns n everything cuz there a lazy af dev team

[hasty locust]

Why you like the X why you like the Xbox so much the Xbox

[past vortex]

it will be dynamic, dtermined by ai

[echo karma]

And 60$ bucks lmao

[steep gale]

any update on the issue with Windows Defender crashing HLL upon opening? None of the steps to exclude files worked

[slate canopy]

Turn Smart App Control off.

[frail cairn]

Make sure yall have a valid email on ur discord!!!! I made my discord with my phone number and this weekend it locked me out saying to verify by email. Wich there is none. Discord support tho was on point and told me in 9 seperate emails to embrace the failure of discord verification system .

[echo karma]

Just turn off 2fa

That sht is annoying

[frail cairn]

Can’t. It gave me the big screen completely locked out.

I think it was because I messaged to many to fast and it popped up . Their description or triggers included that. Stupid tho. Then it should be a mandatory email adding instead of allowing just phone but then not allowing to verify by phone

[past vortex]

better dont
i heard of people who had their pwd stolen and then the thief set up 2fa and then there was NO way to recover it at all left

[frail cairn]

At least now I can’t turn it off because it locks you out the profile as soon as you log in. Other wise I would have done it before lol

So made a new one and am still getting used to a empty profile lol slowly finding stuff back. They also wil not delete my old account ( due to security reasons)

[past vortex]

its wrong that you can enable it without email imo, but thats what it is

[steep gale]

hmmm ok, I don't really want to turn off a security setting that would require me to reinstall my entire OS to turn it back on. Have they provided an ETA on when the fix will be applied/the security license will be updated?

[past vortex]

no

[worthy charm]

Wait, someone really used the clown emoji

It happend

[analog apex]

Hi peeps, do we know the winner map of the mapVoting yet?

[worthy charm]

Ask @novel geyser

[finite berry]

No

[analog apex]

so I assume it's the old "good"

[finite berry]

Correct

[analog apex]

I honestly hope Metz will win (cause I voted for the other xD ).

[finite berry]

Why would you hope for the other then?

[oak current]

oooh #1369175663625506897

[finite berry]

That looks pretty useful

[analog apex]

Because I love the US in Normandy/France theatre the most.

I never rly cared for the eastern front.

[finite berry]

Why did you vote for it then lol

[analog apex]

because the game needs more maps for the Soviets as well as for the British, and no new maps for the US for as long as the amount of content for each existing faction won't get balanced

my personal desires are < good of the game

[finite berry]

Fair

[covert elbow]

Feel like I should just ping Ben in every suggestion I make. Seems like the only way to know for sure it’s been looked over

[worthy charm]

Good one

[fluid pawn]

New #1369175663625506897 is live now! 🫡

[novel geyser]

Shaking fist at you

[worthy charm]

||Torken||

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/red-ball-angry-angry-fist-grr-gif-26521101

[finite berry]

I think people rather want the vote results instead :')

[covert elbow]

See? Ping Ben and you win a prize

Just gonna do this on my suggestions

[fluid pawn]

I've also been pinged in other stuff, however I can't give prizes to everyone who pings me otherwise it isn't a prize 😅

However working on map vote reveal atm don't worry

[covert elbow]

Hope it’s coming along well. I’m assuming it’s taking so long because people could vote multiple times and you have to sort through it all

[analog apex]

we can ease your work, just say name of the map, no need for long paper for it 😄

[covert elbow]

Also unrelated but I’ve noticed that on a lot of the black matter maps there’s to many trees

[analog apex]

thank god

no need a barren Noramndy

[covert elbow]

Looking at period aerial photos and comparing them with the maps the foliage is tuned up a lot

They either did it for gameplay purposes or they took a look at the modern area and modeled it off of that

[analog apex]

while in another places the vegetation or hedges are missing

[covert elbow]

Yep

Also the amount of reused assets is kinda dissapointing

It would be really nice if every map had something unique instead of the same bridges, houses, and hedges over and over

Honestly thats one of T17’s best features is the focus on unique landmarks and assets

[analog apex]

I miss the old type of barn that was before full release

and something more recent... the original Pavlov's

[covert elbow]

Like if BM did Mortain we would have seen the same tired churches and houses instead of the unique ones made for the map

[covert elbow]

That was an atrocity honestly

The fact they replaced Pavlov is saddening

[fluid pawn]

Okay, winning map is the Battle of || ||

[covert elbow]

Like the Stalingrad rework was for the best. It helped a lot but Pavlov’s is awful

[analog apex]

also, I am pissed that the Brecourt manor was still not re-open

[covert elbow]

Yep

[analog apex]

especially since it was supposed to be temporary

[covert elbow]

It’s one of the most famous events of Normandy thanks to band of brothers but it still isn’t open

[analog apex]

yeah, it's the same disgrace of a major landmark as they did with Pavlov's

[covert elbow]

It’s definitely going on my map rework suggestion so hopefully T17 goes ahead and opens it up if they decide to refresh the map

Actually speaking of @fluid pawn has much progress been made on the Remagen refresh? Wanted to send a suggestion regarding it but I don’t want to spend the time if everythings been finalized

Been doing some research with original technical documents and period photographs and yeesh the map could use some work

[fluid pawn]

It's not all been finalised to my understanding, so feel free to open a #1098158460463480842 forum and @ me when done. I'll pass to the team

[analog apex]

I hope it includes making accessible rail tracks tunnel on the German side

[covert elbow]

Thank you!

[fluid pawn]

I'm not involved with the actual decision making on the design front however to my best knowledge they have a good idea of what they are planning to do, however it's not all locked in yet

Sooner you get suggestions in for this years content though, the better

I pulled together a 20+ page report for the devs last week on suggestions and feedback from the roadmap from the community

It was juicy af

[covert elbow]

I’m just hoping they don’t add a bunch of pontoon bridges and make the river walkable. One of the reasons Remagen was so important was because the Rhine was so deep it was almost impassable and Remagen was one of the last bridges standing that could be used

[covert elbow]

Impressive!

And thank you for doing that. It does mean a lot to you to send our thoughts

As long it’s not “pacific” 100x over and “add horses”

[fluid pawn]

As we said in the roadmap reveal, we want this year to be community feedback led where possible, and I'm continuously reporting back to them on what is being said from the community

[fluid pawn]

Neither were included

Sorry https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/1428780793706057821 folks

[covert elbow]

If you want to actually help the remagen map, get rid of artillery. It wasn’t used by the Americans because it could damage the bridge and the Germans couldn’t because there was no artillery in the area. Just mortars

[analog apex]

I hope the mortars and Panzerfaust and MG tripods were among the selected presented stuff 😏

[covert elbow]

and they use my suggestions for it

People liked them so I hope their good ideas

[analog apex]

oh and hey, a slot for customizable loadouts (within realism restrictions for each class)

[covert elbow]

And customizable uniforms

even though I know it’s impossible because of the sheer amount of DLC

[covert elbow]

Yippie

[analog apex]

yeah, a lot of good stuff with potentiall all around

[fluid pawn]

There is, and hopefully we can at least get some of it in

[covert elbow]

Any that peaked your interests?

[fluid pawn]

End of the day we want to make the best game possible, as much as the community want the best game 🙂

[covert elbow]

Like something caught your eye in suggestions that you liked/ think would be good for the game

[fluid pawn]

Ngl, I like a lot of the ideas. Some, I know are not possible at this moment, some I know could be

[analog apex]

local tickets I am sure! 😄

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-honse-heart-locket-heart-uma-musume-gif-6708251886816405889

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-gold-ship-goldship-uma-musume-gif-152341959483515608

Hush with the horse

Only way we should get it is with an Uma Musume collab

[analog apex]

well, Black Matter devs were planning to add bicycles originally so... heh 😄

and drivable civilian vehicles

[covert elbow]

Oh wait. Oh god I just realized when they do a Remagen refresh they might add uniforms based off on the movie

I gotta make a note of that

[covert elbow]

Oh man I remember that

It would have been interesting at least

[analog apex]

that stuff smelled like the game would be milsim oriented, got sratched away 🙁

[covert elbow]

Gotta make sure we get new players instead

But anyways, Remagens been really fun to research

It’s genuinely a hilarious unfolding of events with how confused the entire situation was

[analog apex]

I returned to HLL a few days ago... already got (fortunately temporarilly) permabanned on one community servers 😄

[covert elbow]

Lmao

[analog apex]

for cheating xD

the numbers were too great

[fluid pawn]

Ngl, I did not read teh word vehicle

Got worried

[covert elbow]

What

[fluid pawn]

Dyslexia is wild

[covert elbow]

What did you read?

[fluid pawn]

and drivable civilians

[covert elbow]

Oh god lmao

[analog apex]

no worry, no drivable civilians 😄

[covert elbow]

Idk how that would even work haha

Just ride on their backs like horses?

[fluid pawn]

Piggy back rides

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-8957567

Some poor French peasant having to carry a US MG player to the front lines

[covert elbow]

Just sticks the bipod on their head to fire

[analog apex]

is that an easter egg? a movable MG tripod? 😄

[fluid pawn]

Update to the roadmap
"NEW ROLE: PEASANT"

Piggy-back the troops to the front line, at slighly slower speeds than just normal running

[woeful harness]

Just started playing again, game is constantly crashing is this something on my end or everyone have this happening?

[analog apex]

it still happens yeah

for the short time I got back to HLL a few days back, the server kicked half of its population x times already

+1 fatal error

[covert elbow]

Holds absolutely no value except for the funny

[woeful harness]

If veitnam runs like this I will keep my money this game is so bad right now

[analog apex]

yeah, the stability of the game hasn't been rly convincing yet

and the fps microstutters & temporary framedrops remain untouched

[fluid pawn]

And isn't that the point of war?

I mean, video games

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/goldship-golshi-gold-ship-goku-goku-stare-gif-4035796929332340696

I’m not gonna answer that question

[fluid pawn]

Hopefully I'll have an update on server stability stuff soon. They were doing some testing over Christmas on some stuff on the exp branch

Hope it worked 🙏

[covert elbow]

Ngl I hope next year is just a break year where y’all don’t add new maps and focus on adding long requested items and do a complete overhaul of the games stability and reduce the asset sizes to allow for a better game experiance

Like it won’t be as exciting as getting a new map but it’s something we undeniably need

[analog apex]

still nothing for the fps microstutters & framedrops as I understand it? 🙁

[fluid pawn]

I believe some of that is related to the spaghetti, however hopefully some improvement? I'm not 100% sure though and will need the team to confirm the actual improvements before I say any more though ahah

[analog apex]

I thought 2024 was dedicated to unspagheti-ing primarily

[fluid pawn]

I'm not too sure, that was BB

(Before Ben)

[analog apex]

yeah, but the rest of us remember 🙂

[covert elbow]

Didn’t work seemingly

Said it before but the game needs a hard relaunch

Just a complete rebuild just like Vietnam

The game fights the devs at seemingly every turn

[analog apex]

HLL:WWII remake

[covert elbow]

Pretty much

[analog apex]

but expanded ofc, thx to UE5

[covert elbow]

Would UE5 be good?

[analog apex]

I am sure it would

as long as the game would be done in it from ground up

[covert elbow]

I’ve heard nothing but bad things from the engine player wise

[covert elbow]

Hopefully

And if they do ever rebuild the game from the ground up they should hire some historical advisors (me) to make sure the game has a good grasp of history to really immerse the players into the period

[fluid pawn]

I think it really depends on the game. Issue is, that UE5 has some incredible stuff that devs can implement, however if it's not implemented well, it can cause real issues

I know that HLL:V the team have been very specific on what can and can't be added to ensure it runs as well as possible

[analog apex]

With HLL:Vietnam, I am sure we can rely the devs will get the expereience required to do it well in HLL:WWII potential remake... can't we?

[fluid pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6NFT_WgIttA
Kieran mentioned it in the livestream last year

[covert elbow]

Yea so basically what I think should happen to current HLL haha

The game was just poorly made and it’s killed any chance for growth sadly

I still can’t believe BlackMatters been gone for like 3 years yet they haunt the game like a ghost

I am interested to see how Vietnam turns out. I won’t be buying the game with how HLL has been handled but I’ll sure be paying attention to Vietnam to see how it’s improved

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mermaids-ghost-gif-6142445

[silk igloo]

how can an engine change to UE5 allow swimming or climbing ladders. im pretty sure that UE games have had both for decades

[covert elbow]

From just that short alone it seems like they’ve added a bunch of awesome quality of life features that would be nice to see in the current game

[analog apex]

same here

won't buy especially since not WWII
but will watch

[sly ember]

.

[covert elbow]

Most likely how the actual code was made. They said they redid the code from the ground up so that’s what got them able to add ladders and dragging

[fluid pawn]

^this basically from my understanding

[slate canopy]

I have had it off before this issue started for folks and I have no issues. Just be responsible 😉

[covert elbow]

Btw @fluid pawn how does the historical advisor job work for HLL? Been interested in it for a while now but I don’t exactly know what they do. Is that even a job at the company?

[finite berry]

That would be based

[analog apex]

I still cant understand how ladders & ladder mechanics were not part of the original plans even for the original code.

it's basics of the basics in a shooter

[silk igloo]

Sure, but it's not a reason to switch to UE5. More like they might as well upgrade to UE5 if they're going to rework the code anyway, or vice versa

[covert elbow]

Because BM most likely said “Hey let’s make a cool niche WW2 game!” Then got overwhelmed with the amount of players and started to rush content instead of making sure the game worked

[analog apex]

yeah we can only guess though

[covert elbow]

Exactly. They didn’t switch to UE5 because they rebuilt the code. They reworked the code and then also decided to upgrade to UE5.

Them rebuilding the code also most likely allowed them to upgrade to UE5

[fluid pawn]

I believe that we have a team of devs in house who do the historical research such as Matt who has featured on a lot of the HLL videos in the past

We don't have a specific role I'm afraid for this

[covert elbow]

Ah

[silk igloo]

I think the short is just edited in a way that cuts the reasoning, I didnt notice the cut at first.

[covert elbow]

(Maybe you could hire one then? Someone’s whose sole purpose is to focus on the history for the game? Maybe someone from this chat even?)

[fluid pawn]

Exactly. Code was re-did, so they may as well go to UE5 to future proof and allow new features to be added

[fluid pawn]

Yeah I had to cut it sorry. The full video is linked on the short though I believe

[fluid pawn]

If that becomes and option I'm sure we'll advertise ahha

[covert elbow]

Hell yea

And of course I’m pleading my own case but having an advisor would go a long way

[fluid pawn]

For now, I wouldn't hold your breath though as Matt is leading that and has A LOT of experience

[covert elbow]

A lot of the recent uniforms have small issues that really pile up and don’t help at all. The Soviet M43 for example is just a wtf

[analog apex]

we should let Ben writing the post about the mapVoting otherwise we will never see the result heh

[covert elbow]

I’m sure me and him could have a lovely conversation about it :3

[fluid pawn]

So true, I'm going to go have some lunch then get back on that aha

[covert elbow]

True haha. I need ro get back to work on the remagen refresh doc anyways

[covert elbow]

Nice chatting with ya Ben. Always a joy to see you in the chats

[fluid pawn]

Although I did alreaedy leak it soooooo......

[covert elbow]

Enjoy your beans and toast

[fluid pawn]

Always a pleasure popping in and chattinig with you folks!

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-this-how-teach-me-how-gandalf-lotr-gif-15651393

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/golshi-goldship-uma-musume-gif-1794682000302844

Just do

[lucid gazelle]

Mod tools?

[finite berry]

No

[worthy charm]

Im gonna seal you in a tank

[finite berry]

Mod tools vs Pacific vs horses

[lucid gazelle]

That’s actually something I’d like

[worthy charm]

Unholy trinity

[finite berry]

Wellsy hates this trick

[cosmic pilot]

Damn, Ben fd up, why is tacmaps above nessfall 😭

[cyan saddle]

i dont know what ur on about

[worthy charm]

Stop lying

[novel geyser]

Subfactions tho will we get them

[main harness]

Whens next update

[cosmic pilot]

The regime is always right ✊

[analog apex]

which one xD

[lime umbra]

Horses when?

[lucid tusk]

You know the answer to this

[lucid tusk]

Don't get me wrong sub factions would be awesome, we could get early war germans for stalingrad, italians in North Africa, British (Polish) paras on driel. But it won't happen

[past veldt]

I hope the tac maps in Vietnam get some nice updates. Like actually being accurate to game, not having weird 15m offsets, and capable of showing all the squads on your team 🙃

[silk igloo]

Subfaction for stalingrad should be fairly easy, just remove some loadouts, tanks and cosmetics when necessary.

I suppose they would have to add new tanks though, for light and puma

[nova pivot]

The recon should be de SdKfz 222

the light a pz38T

Also the pzIII instead of the PzIIII

[echo karma]

Yeah what he said

[silk igloo]

I guess they would have to do one for the soviets too, replacing the IS-1 with something else instead. KV-1 with a medium gun. More suffering for the russians.

[worthy charm]

With a KV2 please

oh wait...

[main harness]

@cosmic pilot I meant penetration not damage

Either way its a dumb mechanic. Remove rockets, add horses.

[cosmic pilot]

Penetration is independent of range in a HEAT weapon

[main harness]

Sure. But the problem is that you have super soldiers shooting rockets incredibly accurately over 800m

So how do you address that from a gameplay perspective? Make rockets grossly inaccurate over 200m?

[cosmic pilot]

So agree with me 😛

[main harness]

Well I think you need to go further than making garrisons immune

[keen girder]

when i starting hll Windows send me files are locked or something

what can i do?

[slate canopy]

Allow the files. If you have Smart App Control, you will probably have to turn it off

[midnight salmon]

uninstall hll ez

[keen girder]

i uninstall hll 10 times

[cosmic pilot]

That's in relation to tanks, which iny post I'm not addressing.

[glass depot]

why i have to restart my game so often bc it not responding?

[main harness]

To make it respond

[main harness]

Helios recruiting if you want in x

[glass depot]

i can enlist, choose a server and then when i have to chose a side, it doesnt respond

[keen girder]

i do this but Launch Error: Failed to create game process: Access denied

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1085593818209996922/1460699152768962753/ah9n7e.gif

[midnight salmon]

is there even a comp event in 2026 scene's dead

[fossil vault]

I made this random VHS war photgraphy thing with hll clips i suggested adding a camera item in suggestions js to momentarily disable UI for a quick clip or photo. could anyone check it out in suggestions?

[gloomy quartz]

Big words for a team who just lost to Omen

[keen girder]

thank you now my game is gaming with out any issue (idk i write this correctly)

[midnight salmon]

well is there? we also lost to helios so used to it by now

best thing def got kicked for high ping and couldn't rejoin ez green redzone plays

[gloomy quartz]

Excuses excuses

116 such bad losers

[midnight salmon]

it's the new meta

bro 116 never won anything calling us bad losers is a stretch

[gloomy quartz]

2023 ecl

🔥

[midnight salmon]

yeahyeah and 2025 hca

at least one hca title before scene dead

[gloomy quartz]

scene died when DC died

[midnight salmon]

scene died when game was releasd

[gloomy quartz]

more true

[midnight salmon]

cuz who tf enjoys 1 1/2 hours of pixel analyzing

[gloomy quartz]

mentally insane

bf6 better

[midnight salmon]

stop the cope and back to cs2

[timid iron]

so instead of adding a pacific theater and a couple maps they decides Canadians was the best way to go?

[main harness]

Its not dead tbh. Its just the higher level scene("div 1") is kinda dumb. Look at how well HLL comp is doing on console, and even "lower" divisions on PC. We tried to arrange a scrim with Circle and they are booked until March.

[finite berry]

Yes, and they were absolutely right.

[thin lotus]

A couple reskins is a lot less of an undertaking than an entire faction, who’d have thought?

[finite berry]

And actually the better way to go here

[main harness]

Elise may be canadian

[finite berry]

One ocean too far

[midnight salmon]

problem with div1 is its a bunch of cry babies with no resilience to pain / blame devs / blame game but also dont change other hosters etc etc

[main harness]

Which team are you flaming rn

[midnight salmon]

mostly ours lmao

at the same time if def has constant crashes and 20% of players ping of 400 something is borken with the game. whether that's qonzers fault or t17 is any1s guess and its easier to go back to cs2

[main harness]

Have you disbanded yet?

[midnight salmon]

not gonna happen

[main harness]

Cant say I have seen those issues with any of our games recently honestly.

[midnight salmon]

game against omen was pretty bad again, not as bad as the previous game against omen which made everyone quit

[main harness]

But Qonzer sucks that is well known

[midnight salmon]

yeah idk why eu scene still uses those clowns every comp game on those servers is bad

[main harness]

Ya our last Omen game was when you literally couldn't play the game. They refused to play on the "experimental" hotfix

[midnight salmon]

they mean well try to optimize a lot but i think they just break it even more

i also dont have issue but i also dont have wooden pc

and if you dont have latest gen pc then comp is not only server side unplayable but also client side. i remember my threadripper pc it was such a lag show in comp

btw did you beat wth on karkhov?

[main harness]

no

[midnight salmon]

rip

[main harness]

Was close. Held for 1hr or so

[midnight salmon]

thats pretty good against them

[main harness]

Good game actually. Russian tanks are actually busted, and I am waiting for my boy Ben B to hook me up with this elusive "tank dev team" who actually play the game allegedly, so they can explain

[midnight salmon]

of the people coping the most, it has to be ben

"yes the devs absolutely play every day"

"give me one week I'll hook you up to the tech lead"

"patch will be out tomorrow i swear"

[past vortex]

thats just how AIs are

[midnight salmon]

"you're absolutely right, my previous approach completely broak multi-player capabilities. let me try again"

[past vortex]

:D

[main harness]

just too many big changes at once.

Also not actually checking with people who play the game to see if the changes would work

[lime umbra]

@midnight salmon devs are doing great job, stop yapping

[finite berry]

Exactly

[lime umbra]

They are now preparing the hotfix for u19 to deal with crashes and other weird things

And on horses, I’ve been told horses are priority

Polish army on horses mmmmmm

[midnight salmon]

bait not working brother

[lime umbra]

Not a bait

[midnight salmon]

then play with me ❤️ i miss your lovely voice

[lime umbra]

Im going to play Squad with @finite berry

[midnight salmon]

that doesnt sound like t17 enjoyer to me

[finite berry]

Based ❤️

[mellow knoll]

Lmao sarcasm dripping

[fading sun]

What about implementing an only tank mode ?

Tanks of all 3 tiers get spawned regularly and only tank crews can be played

[river rover]

ℹ️ **MICROSOFT PATCH TUESDAY!!!**ℹ️
Get those PC's updated. 😉

[mellow knoll]

I can't think of anything more miserable in the games current state. Overhaul tanking first then yes that'd be alright.

[lime umbra]

Go play world of tanks mate

we have tanks doing 1080 flips and it’s still not enough for some players… Devs doing their best and people still demand more and more

[midnight salmon]

bro it‘s historically accurate

[mellow knoll]

Okay I can't tell if this is sarcasm anymore

[lime umbra]

Ik @midnight salmon, they have this team who do the historical research

[mellow knoll]

Well they're doing a shite job if that's the case

[thin lotus]

Why, they’re probably researching right now!

This very moment, they’re probably researching!

[mellow knoll]

If they were doing a good job the whole debacle with the "SPAs" wouldn't have happened.

[thin lotus]

Researching researching researching always researching

[lime umbra]

Such ungrateful community ;/

[past vortex]

removing arty from the game was a great idea
ofc there would have been easier ways but it does the job

[mellow knoll]

Personally that's not what I'm on about. If it was up to me it'd be purely Mortars and Commander abilities.

My whole problem is the fact they implented assault tanks as SPAs

When SPAs don't even work as a concept in this game because of how small the maps are

[past vortex]

its easy to not spawn any

[mellow knoll]

Sure, but then why even implement them in the first place?

[past vortex]

idk, but the reult is good

[mellow knoll]

Just make them assault tanks as they should be and make them infantry and structure killers

That's it. It's not a big ask...

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
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Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[past vortex]

like what normal tanks do?

we already have that :D

[lime umbra]

tanks doing flips

[mellow knoll]

Yes then they should be added to the normal tank category

[lime umbra]

and disappearing mid fight

[mellow knoll]

Which would add more tank variety, which is DIRELY needed right now.

[lime umbra]

HLL turning into Star Wars

[gray lagoon]

Are you on practice range or explore mode?

[lime umbra]

Game is developing and you guys complaing wtf? ;/

[past vortex]

thats part of the medic initiaive

[lime umbra]

they should implement tickets like in squad so medics are valuable part of the squad

[past vortex]

wdym medics are already op

[gray lagoon]

They get alot of smoke grenades

[mellow knoll]

The T17 yes man act is slowly getting old xD

[past vortex]

you select winter clothing, ready those smoke grenades and go bully tanks

[lime umbra]

yes they are op so tickets can balance this

[wintry comet]

is there an update on what map won to come to HLL

[past veldt]

No

[lime umbra]

yes

[past veldt]

Maybe

If it's not in #telegrams then no

[lime umbra]

It will be Caracas

[nova pivot]

❌ 😱 🫸

[finite berry]

Not yet

[gentle lintel]

It never gets old @mellow knoll

[mellow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-curse-bleep-mallory-gif-7832905

[slate canopy]

Uh oh.

Varsity, who is known for R6 Siege gameplay... played Hell Let Loose and just posted a video yesterday.

[gray lagoon]

What did he say?

[slate canopy]

I'm watching the gameplay lol

[worthy charm]

That its realistic

in the first 5 second.

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-gif-20710889

[novel geyser]

does he call it a milsim

[slate canopy]

"Large Scale 50 V 50 World War 2 game"

[worthy charm]

Not in the first 10 seconds

Old Videos from 2018 call it a milsim

[novel geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-cat-2-suspicious-cat-the-cat-looks-suspiciously-cat-sits-in-front-of-food-the-ginger-cat-is-watching-gif-14890167989997543813

[worthy charm]

hilarious

[novel geyser]

very well...

[slate canopy]

I'll share in #hll-videos if anyone wants to watch.

It's h im and his buddies, just starting... so he knows basically nothing lol I see he and his friends are level 1 at the end of the 1st match

[past vortex]

why is he streaming in 1440
is he poor

[kindred haven]

Anyone else having trouble getting into HLL?

[slate canopy]

It's Tuesday

Steam Maintenance Tuesday

Probably another hour?

[hard whale]

Why is Scrimmage in An offensive and warfare Ben or anyone can Answer me because console players don't wanna play I Was in offensive and warfare

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[last topaz]

hello i need help, i have the game on epic and everytime i load up the game all the company stuff pops up and just sits on a black screen, what do i do?

[slate canopy]

SSD or HDD? Time Synced? Did you have this piece pop up? https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1324513094055231569

[last topaz]

i think i have a ssd and everytime i just load the game it loads up the company names and stuff then js stays a black screen

[slate canopy]

Again, check the link

[hidden fern]

Is there no mouse and keyboard support on console?

[slate canopy]

nooope

[hidden fern]

Don't tell me yall left it off for this "fair play" on console bs

I remember why I stopped playing lol

[slate canopy]

There is no crossplay between PC and Console

[hidden fern]

Still makes no sense

[slate canopy]

If you want to play with M&K... play on PC? 🤔

[hidden fern]

Don't you think I would if I could

My buddies don't own pc

There's just very little logic behind this "fair play" excuse

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ Their decision, not mine. I don't work for Team17

[hidden fern]

Last I was here idk if any did haha

Haven't been here since they had the kar98k reload bug which I hope is fixed by now and those god forsaken British maps

Did pc even get a party system yet

[slate canopy]

Nope.

[hidden fern]

So I couldn't do this

[slate canopy]

It's also not tough to go "Join XYZ server, there are 40 people in it, it's on Hurtgen"

[hidden fern]

And?

Last time I was on pc they removed the server browser tbh so if they ain't got a party for pc what's to believe they fixed anything else. Party systems have to be the easiest thing to implement since you already have it anyway. 😂

[slate canopy]

???

There is definitely a server browser?

[hidden fern]

Glad they brought that back

[slate canopy]

It's always been there????

[hidden fern]

Nah it was removed

[slate canopy]

I don't know what you mean by "brought it back". I've had the game since 2022?

[hidden fern]

There was only a join button that put you into some random server

[slate canopy]

Also it's crossplay between Epic, Steam, and PC Gamepass. Had to make a party system between 3 platforms.

[hidden fern]

Like they did for Xbox and ps?

It's hard only if you don't care to work on it sure

Which, for how long it took them to fix the kar98k bug, just shows how incentivized they are.

They could easily do it

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ Listen buddy, I don't know what they do and do not work on.

If you wanna use M&K, you gotta play on PC.

[hidden fern]

Then stop defending it 😂

[slate canopy]

Well when you have your information wrong on server browser, yes, I'm gonna correct you. Like I said, i've played since 2022. My friends and I would find a server to play togethe ron with the browser.

[hidden fern]

Sure sure

One thing doesn't really apply to all the things I said does it

Even if i was incorrect about the server browser nothing else I said was

[slate canopy]

I know nothing of how the process is on console and party making. As for bugs, bugs come and go.

[hidden fern]

Game breaking bugs should not be in the game for months on end

[slate canopy]

You're free to report issues in #1098158460463480842 . 🤷‍♀️ Otherwise, let's move on.

[hidden fern]

😂

I never asked you to defend anything

So please do

[slate canopy]

K.

You have a good evening. I'm off to bed 😴

[past vortex]

hot take indeed

[finite berry]

Why Uh oh? Genuine question.

[past vortex]

that guy somehow has more subs than all hlltubers combined :}

(he still can only afford 1440p:)

[weary stag]

Just dreamed that I survived an atomic bomb

[oak current]

the problem with "uh oh" is, that depending on background, it could be many irl noises and have many meanings

[nova pivot]

Waiting for the results release 🤗

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-haha-hahahahaha-bender-gif-8717975687263405009

[obtuse dragon]

The results were the garries we made along the way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823506617247989821/1443758925307711630/SmartSelect_20230822_112206_YouTube.gif

[wind shore]

is hll worth buyingg

[worthy charm]

Depends on a lot... you can give it a try when its discounted, also I would recommend to buy it on steam so you can give it back if you dont like it.

[obtuse dragon]

No

[wind shore]

yea, i already have squad and postscriptum

[obtuse dragon]

If you asked before update 18 i would have said yes

[wind shore]

but the servers are dead on s and ps

[wind shore]

ahh whys that

[worthy charm]

shhhhhhhh or you will wake him up

[wind shore]

but its true thooo

[worthy charm]

Then you shouldnt have any issues, except maybe performance.

[obtuse dragon]

Update 18 brought quite the handful amount of issues that carried on to update 19, mostly performance issues on stalingrad and the new map

[wind shore]

oh thats bad

[obtuse dragon]

They also got rid of pavlov's house and turned into "generic house #5"

[wind shore]

hahahah

[worthy charm]

People and their houses

[obtuse dragon]

The price+performance issues+bugs+miscellaneous issues make the game not worth buying right now unless it's on sale

[wind shore]

it is 20 euro

and via keyshop 10

[worthy charm]

I forgot to say, but the DLCs are all skins, so not necessary to play any content.

[wind shore]

but even then, it doesnt sound worth buying

thankyouuuuu, i will see what hll vietnam is gonna do tho :)!

[obtuse dragon]

right now it isn't, because besides the buffs to the medic and flamethrower, U18 and U19 really left the game on a not-so-good state

[wind shore]

thankyou for your honesty appr it!

then ill stick to sq and ps for now

[worthy charm]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhj

HE is here

[wind shore]

what the hell

[obtuse dragon]

Though, i recommend you to keep an eye on updates for the game, maybe the devs at some point will try and fix some of the performance issues instead of adding 8 babillion effects to their new maps that tank your fps

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[wind shore]

lmao

[wind shore]

@finite berry ?

[worthy charm]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[wind shore]

hihihihihi

[wind shore]

hahaha thanks

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-rexy-t-rex-hiding-under-car-dinosaur-gif-23968176

[finite berry]

:)

[finite berry]

Not true tho :)

Especially for Squad

[worthy charm]

See what you did...

[finite berry]

I mean, calling Squad servers dead is wild xD

[arctic rampart]

Truly is

ngl normies ruined games man

[worthy charm]

Thats offensive!
Please call me filthy casual, normie is unacceptable.

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/umq8xiije46.gif

[upper vessel]

Guys i downloaded hll like 2 weeks ago(from epic) and every 3 days when i open the game it acts as im new to the game it resets all of my game settings, favourite and history servers(but my account and my level are still the same)
Anyone know a fix?

[past veldt]

Make sure you close the game properly, rather than forcing a crash on it

[fluid crystal]

is there any info on when viatnam will be realeased; other than it's in 2026

[fluid pawn]

Nothign yet I'm afraid! Hopefully can share more info soon 🙂

[fluid crystal]

fair

[worthy charm]

I was sure it was the vote result

[novel geyser]

.....

[fluid pawn]

Ahaha

[past veldt]

Honestly exceptional clickbait

[nova pivot]

Professional ragebaiting

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/proud-of-myself-grady-smith-im-proud-of-what-ive-done-i-think-i-did-a-great-job-i-feel-pretty-good-about-myself-gif-26554514

[worthy charm]

Ben the edge master

[lime umbra]

Hello @fluid pawn, hows ur day?

[novel geyser]

Ben sentenced to 5 hours in the naughty corner

[past veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-i-am-on-the-brink-meme-white-text-gif-26506151

[nova pivot]

Yes

[fluid pawn]

My AI software was updated over xmas to include new fun tools

[hard whale]

Welcome back Ben

[fluid pawn]

Where is the naughty corner in HLL is the question?

[nova pivot]

It's not fun if only one person is laughing

[past veldt]

Seriously though, has anyone seen Ben and Chatgpt in the same room?

[gloomy quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974430007432736815/1435388231058460824/attachment.gif

[past veldt]

Commander

[nova pivot]

Somewhere in el Alamein

[novel geyser]

forced to arty camp as recon thats the naughty corner

[nova pivot]

That is nice, free kills lol

[novel geyser]

but then the arty player gives up but when you run back they start shooting arty again and that happens after every kill

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-cute-gif-25858838

[novel geyser]

and every time arty manages to take shots your team complains at you saying ur bad at the game

[nova pivot]

It sounds like you have trauma.

[novel geyser]

HLL induced trauma, not because muh PTSD sim but because its poorly designed

[nova pivot]

It's okay Celdis, I'm here, it won't happen again, relax

[novel geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-gif-17291530843075000352

[worthy charm]

Im having a personal crisis

holy

My brain

[nova pivot]

Franzosen

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[fluid pawn]

Good thanks, just working through the roadmap community vote announce Got some fun interviews included with some devs 🙂

[nova pivot]

Aaaaaaaaa

Finally

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-harold-pain-hide-meme-gif-7962146957933466373

[fluid pawn]

Ahahah, I wanted to give you more than just "X won"

hence the slight wait

[lime umbra]

Im happy to hear that

[nova pivot]

I would take a "X won" ngl

[fluid pawn]

why do something boring amirite

[lime umbra]

But there is still one thread waiting for any response https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1447327266064306279

[fluid pawn]

where's the ~~edging ~~ fun in that

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[fluid pawn]

I've mentioned this before, that we're working on some improvements to server performance atm. Hopefully can share an update soon as there was testing over xmas 🙂

[past veldt]

Do you know if Kieran investigated the hitreg issues I highlighted from the experimental branch thread?

[lime umbra]

Sounds good then, I trust you with that ❤️ And can't wait for improvements so we can enjoy HLL as we were before

[fluid pawn]

He's told me that he's seen and has been investigating yeah

Before going live though we have to do some work with the GSPs though I think. I'm chasing for updates atm

[finite berry]

Törken

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[cosmic pilot]

Rest assured, no matter what happens, people will complain 🥀

[covert elbow]

Can’t wait for a hour long deep dive into Metz because it obviously won

[sterile pagoda]

YOU DONT KNOW THAT

[past veldt]

Seelow won because the game is plagued with Roleplayers

[sterile pagoda]

It better have

[fluid pawn]

Can't wait ❤️ ahah

[sterile pagoda]

Ben who won it better be Seelow

[cosmic pilot]

All good games are also roleplaying games.

[sterile pagoda]

If not I will never buy another worms game

[lucid tusk]

We can only hope, US maps need to be put on the back burner for now

Also please tell me what sector of juno beach we're getting [please not Mike red]

[past veldt]

We haven't had a regularly played US map since U7 🙃

[silk igloo]

Doesn't that contradict your distaste in pubs? Imagine if everyone in your squad, or every officer, waited for your orders because they were RPing?

Instead of running around like a headless chicken

[past veldt]

I don't think you need everyone taking specific orders. Playing commander would be a nightmare if you had to micromanage 49 other players

[silk igloo]

Sure, because of the limitations imposed by the game design. It'd have to be short like "take the south flank" which would imply all the necessary things an officer in HLL has to do

[lucid tusk]

Good, the Russians and brits have been horribly neglected up until recently

[silk igloo]

What's the difference between obeying a redeploy order because it makes sense in a game, and obeying because one is roleplaying?

You'd wish people were roleplaying and doing the necessary things while having even more fun

[fringe hollow]

Yet I'm called slurs if I suggest a plan that involves asking someone to defend.

not even defend an area, just generally defend. Anything in terms of defense

[silk igloo]

Well call them back for being a worthless parasite that doesnt even return the shoppin cart

[past veldt]

Roleplaying is screaming and crying in squad chat about medics, or cowering in a corner because you're pretending to only have one life.

You know the difference between making use of game mechanics to win more and just RPing 🙂

[fringe hollow]

Oh you know I do. I also remind the server member it's a shame he's ignoring it all

[cosmic pilot]

You say roleplaying is bad, but people be mad when I don't drop supplies as support

[past veldt]

You get a bunch of it on Soviet and British sides with people doing terrible accents and pretending to execute people for not following orders etc.

All very tedious stuff in a game which isn't a milsim

[past veldt]

Once again, there is a difference between roleplaying and not playing your role 🙃

[cosmic pilot]

The game is a milsim.
It's not a tactical milsim.

[past veldt]

Sure

It'd be a milsim if it had a single realistic game mechanic 🙃

[fringe hollow]

I would never call this a milsim. this is a tactical-arcade mix imo

Arma is milsim

[cosmic pilot]

You've played commander, you know that the flow of the battle simulates what armies have to do on an operational level.

[silk igloo]

Ah. That's what you mean. Yeah, I see, but in practice I think it'd be fine if they did their part otherwise. If there's only one RPer and 49 people doing their best to win, then it's not polite. However, counterpoint: having a bit of fun keeps the morale up so that people don't fall silent and stop trying. That happens very often

[fringe hollow]

This comes from friendly banter mixed with serious reports with a squad actually working together. Usually it's wave tactics with no one together for pubs

[silk igloo]

I had a Company of Heroes voicebank years ago, used it and pings to command a Tiger without saying anything. "Loap AP! Load HE! Hans, Drive! Halt!" etc. Worked perfectly. They mistook it for my real voice even.

Used my entire numpad and ctrl/ctrl+shift combinations lol. There was a voiceclip for everything in the game

[worthy charm]

Thats actually impressive

[past veldt]

In fairness, I have absolutely no idea how armies conduct a battle. I just play Hell Let Loose mechanics for my advantage

[worthy charm]

Though voice command in game would just decrease the use if ingame VC even more

[silk igloo]

It was arduous. Had to install virtual cables, voicemeeter, sound player, file extractor from the CoH files and convert the audio files to another format

[silk igloo]

You can play it more-or-less like how units would function, and it works in pubs. If Able takes the road, I'll take their right flank with my squad. Or I'll take a vantage point that the enemy needs to take before assaulting our point. It's cheesy milsim

[finite berry]

Optional tactical shooter with slightly above Battlefield mechanics

[finite berry]

And increase the risk of spam

[past veldt]

The issue i find is a lot of the people who play it like a milsim massively overvalue their life, and won't simply just "play the road". They'll die a couple times and decide to flank

It's why actually tactically interesting things are so hopeless in 99% of public (and comp) matches

[silk igloo]

Yeah, it's very common that people just spawn on a red garrison at the same time and all their tanks are left in the dirt. Then both tanks and infantry die in separation

[cosmic pilot]

We agree

[past veldt]

Honestly the issue with redzone plays in comp is just how little impact people are willing to make on the overall game compared with getting a couple extra kills to justify their ability after the game

The issue in pubs is just how slow your average player is at actually moving

[cosmic pilot]

Well, there's the oft repeated myth that one should "take it slow".

[silk igloo]

The players in pub would move if they understood that they should. That's another very common thing, people just sticking to the defensive circle until they're surrounded and beaten

[past veldt]

It's the myth that HLL is a milsim and kills don't matter that causes these issues to be fair

but also the same people will say "build nodes" as their #1 tip like it's a skillful 90 minute task 😄

[silk igloo]

If these people knew anything about real military tactics and played like so, they wouldnt stick to the circle or plant their OPs next to other OPs

[empty quiver]

If any T17 mod reads this, your current roadmap for HLL in the steam shop page is the old roadmap.

[silk igloo]

werent you people taught in conscription to advance in a sparse line so one grenade doesnt kill everyone? smh

[cosmic pilot]

Hll isn't a milsim in the sense that you are conducting a battle through accurate chain of command and area of responsibility as being necessary.
But rather the game simulates positional operational pressures and resolutions for combat.
For example, the stalemate nature of frontal attacks creates a pressure to conduct a flank to break the stalemate, which creates a pressure to conduct security which weakens the pressure at the front which has all kinds of nuanced and layered implications no one thinks about.

Hll simulates military problems in that kind of abstract sense which does mean/make it a milsim.

[past veldt]

@fluid pawn

[honest pecan]

More kills doesnt equal advantage though.

[cosmic pilot]

Kills does equal advantage, but it's temporal and fleeting in nature.

[silk igloo]

Victory technically isn't tied to kills, but in practice there's a strong correlation.

[honest pecan]

You can kill one dude 20 times but until you destroy his spawn youve effectively only stalled for longer.

[past veldt]

Coming from a top 3 comp team which is the only team who is regularly outshot but wins anyway, sure. It's about what you do with the kills which counts (which is ultimately taking space)

But the issue is people take it to the extreme, where they claim you will win against even a remotely competent team without any kills

[honest pecan]

I can understand that

[past veldt]

Reddit is an absolute classic on this front, where they will simply just say "kills don't matter" and then wonder why they lose every game

[cosmic pilot]

So you're saying killing someone at the right time matters the most.
We are saying the same thing.

[silk igloo]

From the pub standpoint, almost every team needs more builders and tankers than killers.

[oak current]

people getting ragebaited by random troll accounts again?

[cosmic pilot]

It's a confusion with the principal that the ideal is to win getting as few kills as possible.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-you-know-the-usual-the-usual-oh-you-know-chill-patrick-star-gif-5101404917702694329

[oak current]

mhm mhm

[cosmic pilot]

I only rage bait when posting suggestions

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179085355681595474/1395447885382029494/attachment.gif

[fringe hollow]

I'd think only killing with intent matters. If you can give a reason why you're there and attacking that place, it's a good goal. Killing just because you solo flanked and camped one OP for 40 minutes isn't

[worthy charm]

Terryfying indeed

[oak current]

whenever I think of heidi, I mostly remember two things: him pronouncing "bot" like "butt" and him telling a new player to repair a vehicle-wreck with the hammer, so they can use it again.

[past veldt]

My favourite heidi moment is building an OP, immediately dying to arty, and then telling him I have a goated OP and need him to join it

[oak current]

[past veldt]

He wasn't too pleased

[oak current]

he was never too pleased

[past veldt]

If you can pin down a couple players solo, allowing your team to outnumber them elsewhere, it can often be worthwhile

It's why MGs are so valued in competitive play, because they can hold a large area solo

[fringe hollow]

I was meaning in bumdiddle nowhere without your squad and nowhere near a point

[oak current]

so the flank

jokes aside - its a special breed that stays somewhere far in the distance, waiting for randoms to walk by

most popular on them forest maps and Stalingrad

[cosmic pilot]

Being in a vehicle causes at infantry to violate the laws of conservation of energy and spontaneously come into existence 30m away no matter where you on the map.

[oak current]

you get the same effect with satchels

[cosmic pilot]

Satchels are at infantry

[silk igloo]

satchels are terrorists

[oak current]

no teammates anywhere..plant a satchel - everyone starts appearing and running onto the satchel-spot

[cosmic pilot]

It's bs that it takes 30 seconds to dismantle a satchel.

[oak current]

30s? wut

[cosmic pilot]

Hyperbole

[oak current]

not the hyperpoles

[cosmic pilot]

What is it, 15 seconds?

[oak current]

they are too strong!

[silk igloo]

10. Superglue satchel that takes 10 seconds of hacking away with a shovel to cut the fuse

[cosmic pilot]

The point being the minimum explosion time is way too close to the time it takes you to get out of the vehicle and remove the satchel.

[silk igloo]

its some thermite metal cable burning away or something

[oak current]

I also remember the suggestion, that tank crews should get an alert, that their tank has been satcheled

I do love #1098158460463480842 , great for a chuckle every so often.

ALARM, YOUR TANK HAS BEEN SATCHELED. WEE WOO WEE WOO

[silk igloo]

it'd be fairer than satchels now. they shouldnt stick vertically, they're not sticky bombs

[past veldt]

Getting satchelled in a tank is the biggest expression of skill issue in the entire game

[silk igloo]

i'd burn all the wheat with my flamethrower but the game design doesnt let me express my skill

[cosmic pilot]

Just like 1 hit kill mines were

[past veldt]

Nah, some mines can actually just be hidden in the terrain

[cosmic pilot]

I'm talking suicide miners

[past veldt]

oh yeah 😄

[cosmic pilot]

Imagine removing that mechanic to add it back in

[past veldt]

Same concept for sure

but like, if you're getting satcheled it's because you're just in a bad position and not paying attenion

[cosmic pilot]

Well, no. The "bad position" could also be the same position you need to be to maximize damage to the enemy.

[oak current]

easy there - its really hard to spot satchel players, when I sit alone in a heavy.

in my locked squad.
runs

[cosmic pilot]

If you're in a target rich environment someone will slip through.

[silk igloo]

it's still nonsense that the satchel takes 10 seconds to defuse and sticks to any surface. as is the time it takes to get in and out of a tank, it should be longer and more clunky. a tanker jumping out to defuse a satchel in 1 sec wouldn't be fair either, as it (the speed) is now

[oak current]

the most target rich environment is still the practice range

badum tsh

[cosmic pilot]

Who's rage baiting now

[oak current]

oi, just here making happy little puns!

[past veldt]

If you're in such a spot, trust the gunner to hit their shots and the spotter can look elsewhere. if you're so close to the frontline, the spotter simply does not need to watch whether their gunner lands pen hits

[past veldt]

Only exagerrated by the tank play always getting out on the right hand side

[cosmic pilot]

We were behind our strong point, dealing with a red garrison and two or three OP locations.

Because our defence had no infantry

[past veldt]

Sounds like a lost cause ngl 😄

[cosmic pilot]

Doesn't change the fact the satchel guy killing us was B's after surviving for over 50min since match start in the same tank

[silk igloo]

I wonder, if defusing a satchel required a knife or a shovel hit, and you could only set it by climbing on top of the tank, and tankers didn't get melee weapons. Would it be fairer? Way back tankers depended on engineers to repair them too.

[cosmic pilot]

Simply speaking the damage satchels can do needs to be proportional to the risk and the availability.

It's why at rockets need to be nerfed compared to its expected performance based on real life

Also ignoring that rockets use fake ballistics anyway

[oak current]

works then, since they damage tanks with fake damage that gets repaired within a few seconds

everyone wins!

[cosmic pilot]

This is valid

[gentle lintel]

who are you?

[lucid tusk]

Did you use the "Reinhardt, fart into the radio" one?

[silk igloo]

I dont think I heard that. Just picked through the files one by one to get what I wanted

[lucid tusk]

Damn, lost opportunity, it played if you spammed a tank

[radiant knot]

Y’all think Norway would work in HLL?

[silk igloo]

yeah, just fork them 100,000 euros to do it

[lucid tusk]

Like for just maps or as a faction?

[cosmic pilot]

@worthy charm post the speech bubble react meme

[worthy charm]

huh?

[cosmic pilot]

The huk one

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363877549534740480/1455573340315058257/Absolute-Huk.gif

[lucid tusk]

What ever happened to huk? He still kicking?

[cosmic pilot]

Man's probably has a life and doesn't need to post his opinion here everyday out of a need for validation and arrogant antagonism

[lucid tusk]

But I like conflict

[silk igloo]

you just like huk and would rather fight than admit it

[bitter wadi]

[lucid tusk]

I just miss all the old heads from back in the day. Buddy named ANNOUNCECANADIANS, where is he now? What's his opinion?

[cosmic pilot]

It was announce Commonwealth, idk I kinda hated him

[thin lotus]

Day X of asking for etc etc

🥱 🫵 😬

[finite berry]

Day X of Chum posting the same stuff in slightly different words

[lucid tusk]

Oh it was whatever his normal name was, then canadians, then commonwealth. I remember the original brit release pushed him over the edge

[silk igloo]

day 746 of asking you to relax

it is what it is

[thin lotus]

I’ve been relaxed
Hll is hilarious

[silk igloo]

it is. i just had a hilarious moment trying to teach a lvl 3 about SPA mils in the midst of combat, and they didnt use a mic

brave lad/lass, hopping into arty in their second match

[cosmic pilot]

💔 ⏺️

[glossy echo]

What does community taa do

[cosmic pilot]

Makes the game blurry, but to a lesser degree compared to some of the other taa

[glossy echo]

Is it only that

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[glossy echo]

I tried 1440x1080 on smolensk and got 40 fps instead of 30 fps on standard taa and 1080x1024

[static granite]

Do the developers even listen to the fan base

[novel geyser]

sometimes

whether they fully understand what we are saying is another thing

[past vortex]

for example people said mortars and they said "ok lets do an elaborate sheme to make all arty unviable but double the amount of flares"

[novel geyser]

and add """SPAs"""

and not fully remove player arty

but give commander an artillery ability still

[past vortex]

that goes by "not viable"

[past vortex]

its buggy tho

[past vortex]

waste of ammo tho

but hey 4 flareguns per team now :}

[worthy charm]

Im sure they gonna nerf the arty strike again.

200 ammo sounds fine doesnt it.

[past vortex]

its already bad, just as spas
both a waste of resources

too many commanders still use it

[worthy charm]

Arty strike during seeding

[past vortex]

also says a lot about arty players when the smol requirement to build the gun prevents them from doing arty :D

[worthy charm]

I cant even explain how much I hate it

[past vortex]

because the static arty would wor just as well as before (unless it bugs out, but im sure that will be fixed in a years time)

[worthy charm]

I had that a few days ago

Funny

[past vortex]

seems quite common

just becomes unreloadable

[past vortex]

do yk if you can dismantle the gun?

(if not it would probably destroyable by a friendly satchel)

[worthy charm]

I couldt do it, but maybe arty engineer can.

[past vortex]

if at all then by the engie with wrench in hand

[worthy charm]

Satchels have friendly structure damage?