mess-hall

[pale vapor]

agree with 100%. Gunshots should be terrifying loud

[winter rover]

We should've gotten the korean war instead of vietnam

[cosmic pilot]

This is the only correct opinion

[shut ruin]

Still no response from devs ?

[neat urchin]

What would they say? Hey sorry we didnt test it properly again? lol

[shut ruin]

@neat urchin something is better than nothing lol i think they should just rollback the update

[vital crystal]

Just pull back the latest update so everyone can play and then take the time to rework and test the new update. Can’t tell me that is too complicated. Just tired of not being able to play

[neat urchin]

They said on U18 it's pointless to roll it back or its too hard or something. but no something is not better than nothing when the update did nothing lol

[harsh egret]

It's too hard to fix the game because BM spaghetti code, and too hard to rollback new mistakes. In conclusion, videogame development is too hard for T17.

[neat urchin]

I like Spaghetti tho

[leaden fiber]

so the patch didnt work?

[thin lotus]

Realistically teleports behind you
In Vietnam

[ancient harness]

Damn

[neat crown]

Trying to play the game for my break from school bro 😞

[umbral osprey]

It really is a disaster at this point what's going on

And somehow because you're gamers it feels like it's ok to be treated like this

What really happens in the background in response to this over there

[nova pivot]

I honestly imagine them laughing at us

"let's launch a broken update"

"Yeah, great idea, what about another one just after that one?"

"To finish it let's launch a hot fix that literally doesn't solve any of the problems"

"We are the best developers"

"Yes we are"

[arctic rampart]

Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz ahh convrsation 🥀

[bitter turtle]

make a patch they said.... it will be runing they said...

[analog apex]

So... I noticed the hotfix but haven't played yet, just to observe the reactions. And after reading through them, I wonder... was anything actually fixed with the hotfix or not?

[nocturne birch]

@tropic light Zany check

[brittle iris]

bratha

half life 3 coming out

[nova pivot]

Not on console

[hazy owl]

if you want realism go touch grass during paintball

[tropic light]

🤪

[hazy owl]

hnotfix

[tropic light]

Dont get me going on paintball😂 ive been playing for 16 years

Way too much invested into that niche hobby

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316109468509016235/1448797168159690925/attachment.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316109468509016235/1448797233452683425/attachment.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316109468509016235/1448797307809042514/attachment.gif

Wont spam a ymore but i have 4 other guns💀

[hazy owl]

are you from the USA?

[slate canopy]

Please take paintball talk to offtopic #off-topic-mess-hall

[timid rampart]

t17 should prolly put a pause on vietnam to fix and polish this game, also not roll out updates as fast

[tropic light]

No access

[prime sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[hazy owl]

ngl since you can buy guns in Walmart why bother with paint 😄 just go and spray'em

[hazy owl]

that is not happening as HLL:V is where the money is

[tropic light]

But yes, i travel around the country for scenario big games

[prime sonnet]

Look what happens every time they try to fix and polish this game😭

[timid rampart]

does the community agree?

[vagrant thorn]

idk man. The game was great before putting it on console.

[hazy owl]

nobody asked the community nor was Vietnam required

[timid rampart]

yeah, but i mean like, js fix the bugs in the last update, then you can move on and add spas or whatever

[tropic light]

Can barely buy guns there anymore, i dont touch Walmart though. I know the selection is very limited

[timid rampart]

oh i misunderstood this gif, its calling me naive right

[hazy owl]

Oooh we've got upper middle class person here at least for not touching Walmart... All my knowledge of US comes from Asmongold blame him in case

[prime sonnet]

No not you’re naive at all bro my bad🙏🙏 just the devs will not do that. Money makes the world go round

[timid rampart]

im honestly not sure what naive means, i meant it as "he doesnt know that weve all been saying that this whole time"

[coarse wyvern]

Not enough space to update game 1.4GB while I got 50GB of space? Every other game is ok

[tropic light]

Meijers, Kroger and Costco > Walmart

Walmart meat is trash quality and Great Value is even worse

[timid rampart]

ue4 is weird, have to have 1.4GB+gamesizeGB to update

[prime sonnet]

Idk bro just didn’t intend to offend you! I was just laughing at the idea that devs would do that🫡

[coarse wyvern]

Fuuuck, ty for help

[timid rampart]

nah nah u good it was funny

[tropic light]

https://tenor.com/view/murica-walmart-fat-buggy-obese-gif-5701786

[past vortex]

you can delete the pak file and then update

[quiet portal]

I took off a week at work and was just hoping I could play the game on ps5 on my break

[prime sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/anothersdays-gif-8682649277694789514

[hazy owl]

Devs want you to go out.

I like how @worthy charm reminds us to keep paintball topic for a different room but constant HLL trashing is okay 😄

change the channel name to trash-hall or something

[worthy charm]

You cant name a chat mess hall and dont expect people to mess around in it.

[gloomy quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/820957242849099780/1311256366937145384/attachment.gif

[hazy owl]

https://tenor.com/view/anything-else-anything-else-to-say-trash-opinion-mic-to-the-bin-mic-trash-gif-14239991437264505463

[worthy charm]

but anyway would I smite anyone who is mad for a bad update I would need to ban a lot of people

[coarse wyvern]

I am mad (haven't tried the update)

[slate canopy]

Get the role in Channels and Roles. Top left of the channels list.

[nova pivot]

Murica

[thin lotus]

What about those who are glad it’s a bad update

[nova pivot]

He was trying to reach the 50BMG in the top shelf

[thin lotus]

🙋‍♂️

[nova pivot]

It's not bad

It's a big update huge even

[tropic light]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-2489962599681323934

[tropic light]

Banning??😱

[worthy charm]

:}

[tropic light]

@dusty bolt first?

[dusty bolt]

What

[tropic light]

https://tenor.com/view/lt-dike-gif-9152888249940839875

[wind shore]

Game is completely busted

T17 with the most colossal fumble.

[gray lagoon]

Nothing new with U19 I belive. Only bugs remaining from U18

[wind shore]

What exactly did this hotfix fix

[gray lagoon]

Heres the changelog: https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/update-19-hotfix

[wind shore]

Because the lag is still there. The blur is still there. The SPAs are completely awful as is the new arty squad

Yeah I saw the log. Literally the biggest issues are still present

Can’t even play smolensk

[ancient harness]

The blur is somewhat intentional. To optimize certain maps on consoles, but I believe it got kinda out of hand and they were aware of it. The SPAs ain't going even if they don't fit the game

[wind shore]

What about the hit reg

Is that better at least

[gray lagoon]

Whats wrong with the SPA's? I think they are pretty balanced

[ancient harness]

No idea, I haven't tested this hotfix and I fear doing so

[ancient harness]

That they're not real SPAs lol, they're assault guns. And there was no need for them

[gray lagoon]

The devs stated that they will be making them more into assault tanks in later updates. Also, certain assault tanks could perform indirect fire. As for their need, they do fix the horrible recon-arty loop that was a big issue in previous versions.

[ancient harness]

Why introduce them if they're going to change the way they're meant to be used in the future?

Better question: why introduce them if what everyone wanted (and what would make sense) was mortars?

And they did not really fix the recon-artillery loop

[gray lagoon]

They added them because they wanted to get the Smolensk map out because that was ready and they were both part of the same update

[ancient harness]

= rushed update

[wind shore]

I would have happily waited longer for the map

If it meant the update paid more attention to the little things

[gray lagoon]

Mortars would have been cool too, but to make sense they would have too short range and explosion radius to be a solution to static artillery

[ancient harness]

As if static artillery was even useful anymore

[winter rover]

why vietnam, give us korea instead

[ancient harness]

They've given the artillery assault ability to commanders, reduced the amount of static artillery guns, made them so they need to be built with resources and the commander itself has to reload them

[gray lagoon]

Static artillery is much more accurate than SPA's and costs no munitions for the first 50 shots unlike the artillery ability

[ancient harness]

Their whole point was to somewhat replace static artillery and rather than doing it with mortars they did it with assault guns that, honestly, were not as common as they can now be in every single match — at only 280 fuel each

[past vortex]

pacific even

[winter rover]

SPAs are more fun

[ancient harness]

Too late for that

[brittle iris]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[past vortex]

i mean the arty changes have a positive effect.... you have less arty fire now

ofc its quite questionable why they did need to do all the effort for that :}

[ancient harness]

Yeah, that was their point I believe, to diminish the importance of static artillery

They gave it to the wrong feature

[past vortex]

i mean overall arty fire tho :}

[ancient harness]

I've seen more SPAs than heavies in the only matches I've been able to play for longer than 10 minutes

[past vortex]

static is harder to use and spas even more, also takes time to get going, then its vulnerable... overall less arty

[winter rover]

SPAs so much more fun

[past vortex]

yea, ofc people want to try it out
but its sure not effective

[ancient harness]

Until they start using SPA calculators

[past vortex]

can be situationally good ofc

[past vortex]

naw they take time to get to a firing point, use resources and then they are quite close to AT, they certainly get less shots off :}

[ancient harness]

Speed of a medium tank btw

[past vortex]

a tank has more effect

[ancient harness]

And I don't think they use resources after you spawn them

And they're not even expensive to spawn

[winter rover]

AT can kill them lol, what's the problem?

[ancient harness]

That they exist

[winter rover]

Unlike arty, they can't respawn and go back to using it again

[brittle iris]

brother ac valhalla for 3.29

you have to buy it

[ancient harness]

Well yeah they can considering it's 280 fuel

[brittle iris]

or I am gonna send you 2-3 year dagestan and forget

[winter rover]

Compared to how original arty was? lol

You can't just spawn in run 30m to the gun and start using it again

[ancient harness]

Again, speed of a medium tank

It won't take them that long to get anywhere man

26-27 kmh

[winter rover]

But they'll still have to ask command to respawn it, then drive to the location

Still don't understand the issue

[ancient harness]

https://tenor.com/soU8QJqu8GV.gif

[winter rover]

And while they shoot, they basically give their position away for literally any dude with a satchel or rocket to destroy them

[ancient harness]

That only requires a functional brain to avoid

[winter rover]

Way better than what arty used to be like

[ancient harness]

I'm 100% sure I could get twice as many kills with only two SPAs in a single match than using static artillery

[winter rover]

They're pretty easy to kill btw, much easier to deal with than arty

[river rover]

ℹ️ AMD CPU CHIPSET DRIVERS 7.11.26.2142 ℹ️
https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/chipsets/am4/x570.html

[ancient harness]

I've survived entire marches with just two or three light tanks back before the tank update, where you'd get killed in 1-2 shoots from AT, and they were like about the same speed as mediums right now

[winter rover]

Good for you? Your point?

[ancient harness]

That I'm 100% sure I could get twice as many kills with only two SPAs in a single match than using static artillery

I've already said that

[winter rover]

I'm still missing your point?

I don't understand how a light tank before the update compares to an SPG

[past vortex]

if you play it like a light tank you wont shoot that much tho

[ancient harness]

Because they have the same endurance, basically

[winter rover]

Like you're constantly moving around and shooting much less whereas an SPG is sitting in one spot half the time firing off many shots

[past vortex]

and the visibility and poximity will prvent you from peppering anything for longer

[iron patrol]

I see no updates on steam?

[winter rover]

Huge difference buddy

[ancient harness]

Of course, I wouldn't play a SPA as a light tank man, it was an example because Briski brought up AT and endurance

[winter rover]

But most of the time you're sitting in one spot

[ancient harness]

Why do you assume that a SPA will just sit in one spot half the time?

[winter rover]

Literally all it takes is to get pinged and have a bunch of AT guys going after you

[winter rover]

Because you takes time to set up and shoot? You expect to shoot a few times then move across the other side of the map and set up again to shoot another few shots?

Seems quite ineffective if you ask me

[ancient harness]

The hotfix might just have been for consoles, since most bugs were reported there

No idea though

[worthy charm]

Not for long tho

[past vortex]

hotfix was for all

[iron patrol]

Ah ok thanks

[ancient harness]

Oh yeah of course. It's not that hard if you have a full crew

[past vortex]

not true

[winter rover]

You'll be one ineffective SPG squad then

[ancient harness]

Bold assumptions lmao

[winter rover]

Not like it matters, this is HLL after all

Basically a slightly more realistic Battlefield

[ancient harness]

Like saying that a machine gunner that changes spots will not be an effective machine gunner

[past vortex]

all im saying is that rn there is far less arty fire in all matches :}

[iron patrol]

so why i dont get the hotfix on steam?

[winter rover]

Now you're comparing an SPG to an MG guy lmao ok

[ancient harness]

If your point is that changing spots will make a SPA ineffective, yeah, I am

[past vortex]

idk, check for steam updates maybe

[winter rover]

You're going to spend more time moving and setting up again than actually firing

[ancient harness]

Yeah, but you'd rather that or die after being spotted after four or five shots?

[worthy charm]

Can you make something useless more ineffective?

[ancient harness]

Point

[winter rover]

I've already killed two SPGs just from moving to another location

It really isn't hard killing them

[ancient harness]

We've come to run into hypotheticals in this conversation. My original point was that SPAs were not what they should've went with

And that the recon artillery loop has not been solved at all

[winter rover]

These are not hypotheticals?

[iron patrol]

you literally can build artillery only in fixed positions and in most maps you still have to build them in HQ2. YOu can't build multiple artilleries as well. not a good solution

[ancient harness]

"staying still will make you ineffective" is very much a hypothetical. It depends on several things

I'm trying to get to my original point again since I no longer see any point on continuing with the current debate

[worthy charm]

No completly, but at least now the random level 15 medic cant use it anymore.

Its a failure but still an improvement.

[winter rover]

That's not hypothetical

[ancient harness]

Yeah, the only good thing amidst the bad

[ancient harness]

https://tenor.com/soU8QJqu8GV.gif

[winter rover]

Where has anyone even said staying still will make you ineffective?

Who are you even quoting?

[worthy charm]

But as you said, it is a solution.

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[ancient harness]

I mean...

[iron patrol]

I mean I was random level 15 dude once and got decent artillery kills. Now I can't play artillery in most maps if I don't have a friend with me who is willing to drop supplies.

It is really very simple maths. Artillery is literally not rocket science. Like elementary school level of maths required to use artillery

[winter rover]

Was I talking about standing still?

[ancient harness]

About moving around, but that doesn't change anything, it's still a hypothetical

[past vortex]

i like it :}

[winter rover]

So you pulled that quote right out of your arse then?

[iron patrol]

I managed to get 50 kills in most matches with artillery without any kind of information coming from my squad or team. Just assuming enemy positions, looking at map etc. and simple calculation. No, this update is not solution

[winter rover]

It's not because that's what I've done already

[worthy charm]

Your oppinion is less worth then ALFs takes on sprint speed.

[winter rover]

It's annoying having to switch position after 10 or so shots

[worthy charm]

:}

[ancient harness]

It was an... Example? I don't understand your arguments anymore

[ancient harness]

Do you have a crew?

[past vortex]

but more than your opinion on satchels tho

[iron patrol]

If artillery squads were able to build artillery on friendly territories, that would be a solution. There could be a limit of course. However, recon is still camping. Without recon camp, artillery simply devestates entire objective.

Best solution would probably be mortars, which is going to be in HLL Vietnam according to trailer.

[past vortex]

:}

[winter rover]

Still isn't hypothetical

[worthy charm]

Its the truth that there are to many.

But I mean the realism part of HLL is already Undead

[past vortex]

they could make it so that 2 are required for a heavy but give everyone 3

[iron patrol]

Realism doesn't make games fun. Realistic feeling makes them fun. I hope it makes sense when you read it...

[polar prism]

Briski's right, I've killed a couple of SPGs even when they were moving to another spot.

[worthy charm]

Medic would finally be usefull

[polar prism]

All it takes is to follow them because they will eventually stop to shoot again

[winter rover]

^

[worthy charm]

The map would just explode every 2 second

[past vortex]

:}

[iron patrol]

SPA is not that much of a problem i don't know why people have that much issue with SPA. In games I played post update, tanks usually hunted down SPA's the moment they were spotted

[ancient harness]

Fortunately, I'm a spotter

[iron patrol]

SPA's are weak compared to fixed artillery, but fixed artillery is being camped makes it useless unless someone is protecting them

[polar prism]

Still won't stop you from getting stalked. I've done it and killed full crew SPG squads

[ancient harness]

The problem isn't SPAs by themselves, the problem is that there are SPAs and not mortars

[iron patrol]

Still nothing devastates an objective like a well coordinated Heavy Tank Crew. They are scary

[winter rover]

Mortars would be too op

[iron patrol]

I 100% agree with you.

[ancient harness]

That depends on the spotter and situation I guess 🤷

Hypotheticals again

[past vortex]

how about self-propelled mortars?

[iron patrol]

They are going to include those cool stuff such as mortars, making medic useful etc. in Vietnam according to Vietnam trailer lol. WW2 not getting any more love

[polar prism]

All it takes is to harass them lol, have you not played with/against SPGs yet?

[ancient harness]

It's not like they care about full realism anymore. They'd nerf them even if that means breaking how they originally were used or their exact performance

[worthy charm]

Sounds worse than SPAs

Because they would be...

[winter rover]

This game isn't realistic to begin with. Mortars would be too op

Especially in the offensive mode

[past vortex]

karl is technically a spm :}

[ancient harness]

I'm tired. Remove all forms of artillery

[iron patrol]

Allow commander to drop artillery in 10 circles instead of 3

[winter rover]

Attacking a point? Mortar guy could sit behind a hedgerow by a friendly garri and rain hell on the point while support players drop supplies for you

And being able to ping and get your exact range will make it really accurate

[past vortex]

30s cooldown

[iron patrol]

one would ask: what recon doing, and why not spotting them out and hit them back with friendly mortar or commander abilities?

[worthy charm]

Assuming they make it accurate

[iron patrol]

You can? It really is elemantary school math in HLL in current artillery

It is impossible to not hit a location within range of artillery right now

[winter rover]

You'll have the exact range, how wouldn't you be accurate

[iron patrol]

you open map, put a mark, adjust, shoot. Only problem is it takes time to turn artillery in German and US forces lol

[worthy charm]

By the devs making it so?

[ancient harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892843483394609272/1448824613126541555/image0.gif?ex=693caa91&is=693b5911&hm=b16c3ecd946477358dcb439c14efc5b9ceb438cbad5ca3f32d27240ad2d9dd65&

[worthy charm]

I think you assume they are good...

[winter rover]

You're shooting in a point though with nearly the entire defending team on it

[worthy charm]

whilst the devs have the tools to make them terrbible if they so desire.

[winter rover]

Want to make it harder to use? Remove the distance when you ping

[iron patrol]

Eh, i think it's safe to assume that all the love and content will go to Vietnam from now on... I want to see what they will release with Vietnam and compare it to the Rising Storm 2 immediately

[ancient harness]

Y'all talking as if they're not going to be added to HLL Vietnam

[iron patrol]

Trailer showed us mortars

[ancient harness]

Exactly

No need to speculate. We'll see how they manage them when the game drops

[iron patrol]

That is also my point. Mortars will be included in vietnam. We also saw a downed man being carried and defending himself with a pistol in Vietnam trailer. So medic going to be more important in vietnam? And these things are not coming to HLL WW2...

[ancient harness]

I'd expect them to come and if not they'll be openly admitting that they have no interest in HLL WW2 anymore

[iron patrol]

I played ton of Squad. Of course, Squad is fundamentally different game and leans into minecaft/fortnite and arma style "preparing" much more. They balanced mortars by making them a hustle to build, making them harder to use accurately and of course constant ammo supply mechanic. But of course once set up and you know what you doing, you could eliminate enemy positions easily and prevent them from coming out of spawn even...

[iron patrol]

I would expect that honestly. Also if im not mistaken they are changing the game engine (UE5) for Vietnam. So, I don't expect devs to focus much on WW2 anymore

[ancient harness]

I don't either. But they said they would. Which gives me the right to complain if they don't, even if I don't expect them to

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[ancient harness]

Do they pay the mods to suppress complaints 💔

[slate canopy]

Nope

I get 0 monies.

[ancient harness]

That's what a mod that gets paid to suppress complaints would say

[slate canopy]

I get 0 monies from Team17/HLL. I get monies from my work in a laboratory.

[ancient harness]

Cool stuff

[worthy charm]

Only if you give me some

||Please give me some||

[winter rover]

idc, I don't give a crap about vietnam, and I'm not getting that game so doesn't change anything for me

Squad 44 does mortars best

[ancient harness]

😦

[ancient harness]

I won't either

Not interested in the setting nor the possible quality of gameplay

[past vortex]

cant afford the 98 octane fuel for your bmw anymore, huh?

[slate canopy]

I have 0 interest in history... yet I still play this game lol I'm excited for Vietnam.

[winter rover]

Who asked

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-sigh-zoro-movie-sigh-zoro-tired-gif-2602522714173654897

[slate canopy]

Oh, sorry, you gave YOUR opinion. I'm allowed to mine. 😒

[winter rover]

But who asked

[past vortex]

thats not how dc works

[winter rover]

I'm telling you though, Korea would've been better

[slate canopy]

k?

[winter rover]

It's a shame they're skipping it

[ancient harness]

Who thought Vietnam gameplay would be fun

[polar prism]

Tbh yeah, Korea would be fun

[winter rover]

Completely overlooked

This is why I'm thankful IL2 is making a Korean war air sim

[polar prism]

MiG Alley

[umbral osprey]

They probably chose right with Vietnam as that's one people think about more

[winter rover]

Yeah it's just more popular

Would've been nice to see an FPS korean game though, don't think it's ever been done

[slate canopy]

A lot of people like Rising Storm 2 and I think many are excited for it due to that.

[iron patrol]

Rising Storm 2 was fun and peak FPS experience. And we didn't get a vietnam game since Rising Storm 2 so...

[winter rover]

Rising Storm 2 wasn't even that popular

[slate canopy]

That's 2 different opinons there 🤔

I never played it.

[iron patrol]

RS2 peak cocurrent player count is higher than HLL.

[winter rover]

The player count literally dropped after 2 months of its release

[winter rover]

HLL had manage to hold a long term high player count for years though

[iron patrol]

The game was abandoned, that is why. And still was an amazing experience

[winter rover]

Abandoned after 2 months?

[iron patrol]

I don't think it is high

[iron patrol]

There were bugs, they fixed later some. Also yes, RS2 player count drastically dropped after release, but kept having a steady playerbase

It had QOL features and mechanics you don't see in HLL

[winter rover]

Compare the player counts

[iron patrol]

Ok I compare. HLL is lower than most FPS in market? So we just now going to say WW2 ain't that popular?

[winter rover]

WW2 isn't as popular as modern, sure?

[iron patrol]

Rising Storm 2 was a good game and Vietnam has a potential market, that was my point

[winter rover]

I'm just saying RS2 wasn't as popular as people claim it to be

[iron patrol]

WW2 is probably one of the most popular subjects on Youtube nowadays

[winter rover]

No, modern is

Look at Squad and Arma

[iron patrol]

Of course. But, Vietnam as concept is popular

[winter rover]

Only reason HLL is popular because it's not as realistic

[iron patrol]

Rising Storm 2 playerbase also not that small

Me and many of my ex RS2 buddies want to get HLL Vietnam

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/ich-sehe-gar-nichts-iced-out-no-stylist-goggles-gif-16534930

[umbral osprey]

Yeah the devs must have been inspired by it as well

[iron patrol]

Squad is not that popular...

[winter rover]

The game released on May with a 24k concurrent playerbase yes. Move to July of that year, it dropped to 3.6k

And ever since then, it never it reached above 10k

Apart from that one time it hit 8k in June 2018

[iron patrol]

Doesn't matter. It had a loyal playerbase for a long time for a game that was abandoned, didn't implement roadmaps etc.

It also had stronger competetors back then, I remember

[winter rover]

Apart from May-June 2017 and June 2018, the game didn't hit over 5k concurrent players

[worthy charm]

You dont want them to do AA tanks, would have been terrible. BM would have done it it it wouldnt have been.

[winter rover]

A loyal playerbase doesn't make the game popular lmao

It means keeping it alive

Huge difference

[iron patrol]

We had Destiny 2, PubG, Battlefield 1 all back then and they all were popular. RS2 still survived in such market

And RS2 was very niche. Back then games like Red Orchestra 2/Rising Storm 2 were considered as "realistic tactical shooters". General gamers treated them as literally arma lol

[iron patrol]

It sold more than 1 million copies if i'm not mistaken, which is not bad? Not as successful as RO2. But still not bad. And tactical shooters were even more niche back then.

[winter rover]

Even Ro2 was more successful?

[iron patrol]

I agree. AA tanks were never needed in RS2. Chopper counter was possible with double barrels even... 🤣

[winter rover]

Sorry, but RS2 was not a popular game

[iron patrol]

In terms of players we don't have a data if im not mistaken

[winter rover]

HLL easily tops it no debate

[iron patrol]

It also received Rising Storm 1 and became popular again

[winter rover]

Ro2 was a fun game

[iron patrol]

HLL easily tops it, yes. Also HLL received good marketing as well. Good advertisement team

But anyone saying Vietnam is not a fun setting is not that much correct

[winter rover]

Instead of a Rising storm 2, we should've gotten a Red Orchestra 3

[iron patrol]

How many multiplayer vietnam games we've ever seen? Rising Storm 2 selling more than 1 million copies ain't that bad. We also had Battlefield Vietnam when I was a child, i also vaugely remember that game

[winter rover]

I don't find it fun

[iron patrol]

Which part exactly?

[winter rover]

The setting, I despise it

[iron patrol]

Oh yeah, i can't say anything about that!

[winter rover]

It's why I hate the guadalcanal map in Squad 44

[iron patrol]

Never played Squad 44. But believe me there are many players who want a vietnam setting

[winter rover]

Like the many that played RS2?

[iron patrol]

Many people globally knows about Vietnam, and Vietnam movies are also well known

[winter rover]

Only for the loyal players to keep it alive in the 3rd month of launch lol

[iron patrol]

Rising Storm 2 didn't fail because of setting?

Just like how many people (few thousand at most) played squad 44?

Damn WW2 is the least popular setting i guess...

[winter rover]

Squad 44 is realistic

A realistic WW2 setting has a small fan base

Same for WW2 flight sims

Modern flight sims and modern hardcore fps games are far more popular

Only reason HLL is popular is because it's basically a slightly more realistic BF game

That's not too realistic

[iron patrol]

Hmmmmmm. Almost like how RS2 was perceived back then?

[iron patrol]

Exactly. HLL has good marketing and fills a gap. RS2 was a very niche on its own. Still sold more than 1 million copies

[winter rover]

It's not though?

[iron patrol]

If we going to compare shooter player stats we will top HLL, Squad, Squad 44 etc. with many titles

Then we can claim any conflict before 2010 is not popular

[winter rover]

There's a difference, in RS2, you're more than likely to start with an assult rifle or SMG

Whereas in Squad 44, god forbid you play as the Germans, Brits, Japanese, etc, you are stuck with a bolt action

[halcyon talon]

Did anyone noticed a diffrence before and after patch on ps5? For me the gameplay is still blurry not that much but still it is

[iron patrol]

I clearly remember that era of multiplayer FPS. CSGO, Battlefield 1, CoD Zombies etc. dominated market. Games were perceived either as casual shooters or arma-likes. Rising Storm 2 was neither and had no place for it in the market. Still did pretty good job

[winter rover]

HLL has more opportunities to get an automatic weapon and it's a lot more easier to

[iron patrol]

But arguing doesn't matter. With power of Unreal Engine 5 HLL Vietnam will sell good amount of copies, will become popular on reels/shorts because it is very easy to market since most people enjoy vietnam movies as well

[winter rover]

I can play as a German soldier and be guaranteed to at least get a semi-auto gun

[iron patrol]

Depending on era

RS2 had 3 eras: Early war, middle war, late war periods

[winter rover]

You play as the americans lol

[iron patrol]

Americans started with M14?

[winter rover]

Don't they have that whatever that black assault rifle called

[iron patrol]

No, not in early war period

[winter rover]

the the vietnamese people have the AK

[iron patrol]

Both assault rifles were available in maps with Medium War Period or Late War Period. In Early war period, you had Mosin, MAS, M14 etc.

[winter rover]

Barely anyone gonna play that era

[iron patrol]

You also had a campaign mod. You could rest your guns on any surface to stabilize aim. Game would tell you whether shot would go or if your barrel was blocked by surface etc.

I think these are good features that could be implemented into HLL or vietnam as QOL

[winter rover]

Why would you need that in HLL?

You can run across the map and still have perfectly stable aim lmao

[iron patrol]

Weapon resting is a good feature? Pressing and holding R to see how much bullet left in your mag is a good feature? Gun sticking out but actually being blocked by an object is not good, and it is good to let player know?

[iron patrol]

It reduce recoil.

[winter rover]

Weapon resting isn't needed in the current HLL - if that's what they do for vietnam

Pretty damn important in Squad 44, that's for sure

[iron patrol]

"we don't need it, please don't add any QOL features in my game"

[winter rover]

Because it's not necessary, aiming is piss easy in this game

[iron patrol]

Nobody plays Squad44 so you ain't getting such feature

[winter rover]

Couldn't be easier

[winter rover]

They already have it in squad 44

[iron patrol]

Of course, but these stuff are cool and make life easy.

[hazy owl]

Nobody wants gun resting wtf this is not squad

[iron patrol]

I also noticed that HLL recoil is managable, but still miss good ol weapon resting

[iron patrol]

There is no gun resting in squad....

[winter rover]

It's in Squad 44

[hazy owl]

I don't know if don't care let's keep HLL arcadey

[winter rover]

Really useful especially when trying to hit at range with a rifle

[iron patrol]

Squad devs gave as "combat overhaul" and didn't implement gun resting... I'm still salty about it

[winter rover]

Not really needed in HLL, wouldn't change my gunplay at all

[iron patrol]

Weapon resting is not removing arcade?

[iron patrol]

Probably. But with Vietnam it might make sense if weapons going to have actual recoil...

[winter rover]

Well, we can't say anything about that yet

[iron patrol]

I want to know what do you guys imagine with "weapon resting"

[winter rover]

Yeah I use it all the time in Squad 44

[iron patrol]

It is not an animation. It is an automatic passive feature automaticaly applies whenever your ADS touches a surface of an object from any stance

[hazy owl]

Are you saying Thompson or STG have zero recoil? Or garand?

Are we playing the same game

[iron patrol]

Thompson recoil is pretty much managable?

[winter rover]

It's when you prone or kneeling over a box or something that's right above your gun. A gui will pop up showing your gun is rested

In squad 44

[iron patrol]

Yeah exactly. It automatically applies. Of course current HLL doesn't need it. With weapons with more kickback, this feature allows you to get better follow up shots... It was also in good ol RO2 and was cool but that game had a whole different gunplay

[iron patrol]

You going to make me buy Squad 44. Is it active in European servers?

[winter rover]

For me it is because I come from flight sims

So having a full server or two is good enough for me

[iron patrol]

I remember why I dislike Squad 44. It was a different game and fixed in past 2 years, right?

[winter rover]

What

[iron patrol]

Yeah it was bought by Squad devs and turned into Squad 44. It was a whole different title before

[winter rover]

Post Scriptum

[iron patrol]

Yeah

many quality of life features came after Squad 44, right?

[winter rover]

Pacific theatre?

More tanks and weapons?

That was a long time ago, no idea what post scriptum was like

[iron patrol]

Yeah those stuff came with Squad 44

[winter rover]

Want your stupid little jungle warfare? you have the guadalcanal map in S44

[iron patrol]

Is it similar to Squad in sense of FOBs?

[winter rover]

https://youtu.be/GTj8r2QnFaY?si=7naLod4eRrtxoB04

[iron patrol]

No I want european theater or Africa in my WW2. I want jungle in Vietnam

[winter rover]

Oh well I thought you liked that setting

[iron patrol]

I like Vietnam setting

[winter rover]

Same feeling but ww2

[iron patrol]

Nah Vietnam has whole different feeling... Especially you get the most iconic grenade launcher

[winter rover]

Setting wise

[iron patrol]

Even in BF1942 guadacanal was my least favourite map

[winter rover]

iwo jima is a pretty cool map too

love the fighting in the cave and tunnels

[iron patrol]

I like the era, aesthetics and Vietnam conflict more than WW2 pacific front. You probably hate Jungle itself

[iron patrol]

Nature's trench line...

[winter rover]

I hate anything that doesn't take place in Europe

North african is an exception

[iron patrol]

Europe gets repetetive and boring after a while. That is why we have modern middle eastern conflicts in video games

[winter rover]

It doesn't though?

This is why I want an italian front in HLL

[idle pollen]

Ah there’s an opinion war occurring in here

Counter productive. Play what you like. Don’t play what you don’t

[iron patrol]

Wish. When was the last time a game actually had that front?

[idle pollen]

[winter rover]

finally we agree on something

[iron patrol]

BF1942 had Italian maps and faction if im not wrong

[winter rover]

Next faction/front for HLL should be italy

[idle pollen]

Izonso

[iron patrol]

If market had an active Vietnam shooter I would also find that repetative mate. We didn't get a vietnam game in 8 years, let us have our fortunate son moment

[iron patrol]

That is WW1 however. But yes Isonzo is a cool game

[winter rover]

Izonso sucked

[idle pollen]

Very arcadey

[winter rover]

I wasn't a fan of the gunplay and graphics

[iron patrol]

I always wanted WW2 games to explore Balkans and Italy more... but we didn't get that. Also we never had Yugoslavian War game but I guess there is literally zero market for such multiplayer concept lol

[idle pollen]

Idk my only hope is that Vietnam is really good and HLL just kinda takes over the FPS historical scene

[iron patrol]

Someone needs to takeover historical FPS scene. Isonzo devs are now developing Gallipoli and Ottoman vs Britain middle eastern front, which is cool

[prisma fiber]

Lol
Lmao

[prisma fiber]

Isonzo has 125 people online currently

[idle pollen]

? You should want success for it. You are obviously here because you like HLL

[prisma fiber]

I liked HLL

[worthy charm]

I think youre confusing something this is the HLL discord.

[iron patrol]

Too many left the game just for an inch of land many such cases

[prisma fiber]

I love watching the only game I've put over 4k hours into slowly die due to incompetence

[iron patrol]

Dude you played 4k hours already....

[prisma fiber]

Yep, it used to be great

Now it's a meme

[iron patrol]

I mean at least the money you spent on worth it. No? 4 thousand is a lot

[slate canopy]

I like HLL 🙁

[prisma fiber]

A video game is not an investment

[iron patrol]

You paid X amount for 4 thousand hours of entertainment. A fixed amount you paid once.

[prisma fiber]

Well

This one isn't lmao

[prisma fiber]

Oh you're right

Silly me

It's a good thing that T17 is too incompetent to keep it going

[iron patrol]

I had same problem with Squad but then I realized, I had my fair share of fun and decided to let it go.

[iron patrol]

No, but at least it helps you to accept it...

[prisma fiber]

Let's buy a game
And ruin it

[iron patrol]

Many such cases nowadays

[prisma fiber]

Oh that's better

[iron patrol]

No, many such cases literally

Games getting ruined over time for no reason at all

[prisma fiber]

I'm not even complaining about the lack of QA anymore

I may not understand the why but T17 is clearly trying to kill this game

[iron patrol]

I understand the complaint but at one point you realize the game you loved and devoted a lot of times won't be same again, and you let it go

[prisma fiber]

You can let it go

It's not like real HLL had any direct competitors

They could have just let it be but for whatever reason beyond my understanding they decided to spend millions and then destroy it

[slate canopy]

Allright Milk, we get it.

Can we move on?

[modest agate]

Did the update help

[azure ridge]

No

[modest agate]

I played about 5 matches none were Smolensk and it ran smooth on my end on Xbox

Hit reg was an issue though

[slate canopy]

Try and find out.

[modest agate]

I was just asking I was on last night was getting on tn

[iron patrol]

Smolensk runs smooth on PC too, better FPS than other maps

[modest agate]

I’m at work and tryna get the inside scoop

[whole marten]

the reason was "the developer vision"

[modest agate]

We’re people complaining about just Smolensk or every map because I didn’t have any connection issues

[prisma fiber]

Nope

[past vortex]

someone has to do it

[idle pollen]

Ah yes. And hence the name “Discord”

I just don’t stick around somewhere that I don’t like yanno. Another thing is too, I think people put thousands of hours into any game, get bored, and then pick it to shreds. Money well spent though if you enjoyed thousands of hours worth. I’ve only done that with like 3 games ever

[whole marten]

and some of us, that have spend thousands of hours playing, see the potential and complain because we hope things will change in a better direction

[idle pollen]

Yeah that’s valid. I agree

[worthy charm]

Ok?

Not sure why you feel the need to tell me this...

[idle pollen]

You replied to me. I assumed with satire. So I replied to you

[past vortex]

wait

[worthy charm]

My stickers dont load

😢

[gentle lintel]

Get better internet dude

[runic nexus]

Do u know when we will get a new roadmap for HLL?

[slate canopy]

Not until next year.

Please post in #console-seeding-help

[iron patrol]

Will we see HLL Vietnam in game awards?

[brittle iris]

you did what?

[prisma fiber]

Hell yeah, new PC today and still lost connection to host

I love Team17

[pale vapor]

They need to remove that washed out brown filter asap if they want it to look like vietnam

[woeful musk]

Maybe they're destroying it on purpose so more people buy Vietnam? I'll be avoiding it if they don't fix the graphics on ps5.

[prisma fiber]

Genius marketing

No, I'm pretty sure it's just zero QA process

[woeful musk]

They can't be dumb enough to absolutely ruin the game without even testing it can they?

[finite berry]

Just wait 'til you see Steam forums.

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[finite berry]

Yes, it is (I'm one of the hosts).

[finite berry]

Depends on what you want. FOBs are tied to radios.

[glossy sand]

“Fortunate son intensifies”….its the summer of love, napalm coming in hot…who’s ready for Nam baby?

[atomic harbor]

Does anyone know if Vietnam gets an enhancement for PS5 pro?

[storm lodge]

Are there any issues with the server, it keeps saying connecting to online services but it’s keeps failing

[vagrant peak]

How to toggle voice chat?

[finite berry]

Is that even possible?

[umbral osprey]

Do you mean how to use it?

You can connect and disconnect it in the audio settings but I think that's not what you mean

[hazy owl]

X C V

[gilded spade]

@fluid pawn can we have an update pls

One question I want answered is. Do the devs see with their own eyes that the game on PS5 still is blurry? Simple a yes or no question.

[modest reef]

Anyone knows why the game even on an SSD is reading all the time files from the drive? 200MB/s

[slow bramble]

Anyone know whether HLL:V will continue to support Linux like HLL does, if not, may it please?

When I say support, more, enable the Linux EAC rather than explicitly support it.

[prisma fiber]

Uhm

[umbral osprey]

And how old are these devs and how good are their eyes lol

Even if QA is slimmed down, you'd think something like this would still get caught

[delicate mortar]

HLL does NOT support linux, Proton does.
I haven't seen a single devlog talking about Linux support.

The only reason HLL plays "well" on linux is thanks to the Proton team.

[slow bramble]

No, they didn't used to have eac for Linux enabled in their ue build settings

They enabled it somewhere around u14

I remember as it was something I was asking to be enabled for about 2 years prior

I used to have to play in a Vm

Linux native used to kick you after 2 mins for no eac, then they enabled it

I'm playing on arch as we speak, via proton yes, but it's only running because they enabled Linux eac

Before they did, you got kicked for no anti cheat

I remember asking for the Linux anti cheat to be enabled for a long time

And they were kind enough to do so

[delicate mortar]

It's was on EAC end.
They finally bent the knee, because kernel level anticheats are basically spyware.
So they switched to a more traditional anticheat software

[slow bramble]

I just want to know whether they're going to do the same for hll vietnam

[slow bramble]

I know I was there and asked for it via support tickets when It was the old team

[delicate mortar]

T17 has done nothing AFAIK for linux support.

[slow bramble]

I remember them changing it

And I remember Steamdeck being on the road map

[slow bramble]

I keep saying I remember the update when linux anti cheat was enabled

AS i was in a vfio vm to play beforehand

Well im still playing on linux, so, the question still stands, will be enabled for HLL vietnam?

'''1) Go into the EAC settings on the EAC partner site and enable Linux support from the dashboard.

2. Once that’s done, Download the EAC Linux library (easyanticheat_x64.so) for the SDK version integrated with your game, And add it to your depot next to the Windows library (EasyAntiCheat_x64.dll).
3. Inside your local release process, Publish a new build of your game containing the new depot contents, with a version bump. (You don’t have to make any changes to the game executable, Just include the new files in the depot contents.)'''

[delicate mortar]

Who knows.
You need to understand that your past isssue wasn't an issue on HLL end but on EAC.
HLLV hasn't announced any linux support nor HLL did in the past.

[slow bramble]

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/proton

[slow bramble]

I know, I've said this multiple times

I've said repeatedly, they enabled the eac for linux...

It just needed to be enabled in the UE build settingfs

This is why i'm asking now

But im just being told im wrong at every turn

[delicate mortar]

There is no Linux build, when you launch HLL in linux it launches the Windows version through the proton layer.
HLL didn't add anything special "for linux" (as you stated).
You are misunderstanding how Proton works.

[slow bramble]

It's the anti cheat that needs to be enabled for linux in the ue build config

Then it runs in proton

without them enabling it in the ue build config

It doesnt ship with the right dll for hll and proton to use

And anti cheat doesnt run

And you get kicked

Guys, I understand the differnece, it's still a stting the developers need to enable when they build the game

Easy Anti-Cheat
Proton supports Easy Anti-Cheat without requiring any recompilation, but it does require you to manually enable support for your build. For the Epic Online Services version of EAC, see instructions here. For the Kamu version of EAC, follow these steps in order:

Go into the SDK Configuration settings menu on the EAC partner site and enable Linux as a client platform.
Go into the Client Module Releases menu on the EAC partner site, choose the Unix platform, and activate a module. If you cannot find the Linux module in the status dashboards, please contact EAC support.
Once that's done, download the EAC SDK and find the Linux library (\Client\Assets\Plugins\x86_64\libeasyanticheat.so) for the SDK version integrated with your game, rename it to easyanticheat_x64.so, and add it to your depot next to the Windows library (EasyAntiCheat_x64.dll).
Lastly, on the Steamworks site, publish a new build of your game containing the new depot contents. (You don't have to make any changes to the game executable, just include the new files in the depot contents.)

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/proton

[slow bramble]

I remember when they did this

[delicate mortar]

So that's the extend of the linux support T17 has provided

[slow bramble]

EXACTLY

THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING

[delicate mortar]

That's what you want to be expecting for HLLV ?

[slow bramble]

Yes, Im asking will they allow for the anti cheat to run in linux

Not to explicitly support it

[delicate mortar]

Are we sure it will run on EAC though ?

[slow bramble]

...

[delicate mortar]

No I'm asking if that's their plan to keep this Anticheat or pick an other one

[slow bramble]

When I say support, more, enable the Linux EAC rather than explicitly support it.

literally what I said earlier

And I assume they will use EAC,m if not, may they reply with 'no we wont because we're not an anti cheat that supports linux'

Literally read my previous messages @delicate mortar i don't feel like you've been reading them...

@fluid pawn any chance someone can weigh in on this for hll vietnam? https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/proton specifically this setting as it's let me keep playing for the last few years and I'd like to pick up hll:V when it comes out

Again, i don't think anyone would be asking for full support from devs for graphics issues etc, as it's too much of a burden, proton has worked really well for current hell let loose, I get more frames than I did on windows, but the eac not being enabled for linux literally blocks it from allowing you on a server, and I'd like to be able to purchase it knowing that I wont be blocked @fluid pawn

The deal last time thye enabled it, can't remember if it was on here or on reddit, was that they'd enable it but they wouldnt answer linux related questions if graphics etc didn't work

I know i'm in the minority, but it's a literally check box during the build procss and it opens it up to running on linux, the steam deck, steam machine

We'll deal with our own bugs via proton, just dont want to get kicked after 2 mins because theres no eac dll for linux

I know, I was there!!

I just cant remember names or where we had the conversation

They did it, but wouldn't offer support for it after

But its worked ever sinc

It might have even been by email tbh, I was sending support tickets at the time

It's been spot on since, literally runs flawlessly

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12apble/hell_let_loose_coming_to_steam_deck_on_september/#lightbox

must have been around here that they did it

Why are you saying I'm begging?

I only asked the question

[slow bramble]

I'm not asking for support,

[slow bramble]

Like here

[delicate mortar]

I don't see how just enabling it would be something they would refuse to do.
It has no impact on the dev team.

[slow bramble]

completely agree and adds a handheld console (steam deck) and soon a tv console (steam machine) for no extra cost to them

I know it's not a massive market, but it costs them nothing and no one would expect support

Just for the anti chat not to kick us after two minutes

Or lack of anti cheat*

[delicate mortar]

I would place my doubt on the playability of HLLV running on UE5 on a system with the rendering power of a steamdeck.

[slow bramble]

Because they didn't do the steps https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/proton here before build

[delicate mortar]

But thats outside of the scope of your question.

[slow bramble]

Yeah selfishly i'm not bothered about steam machine or steam deck, just that I can play it on my desktop if they were done

[fluid pawn]

I don't have an update on Steamdeck stuff yet sorry for HLLV. Should do next year closer to release though

[slow bramble]

Not necessarily for steam deck, more just the linux eac here: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/proton

More than happy to do tests 😉

[slow bramble]

The side affect of this is that it would run on steam deck, but like @delicate mortar said probably poorly, but the same setting would allow it to run on the steam machine when that releases along with every desktop running steam on linux

And it's free for the devs, no one would be asking for tech support on it, so no additional burden, but I know from hll:ww2, i've never needed it since the eac was enabled, it's ran fantastically, probably better than on windows

for the cost of doing the enabling check box in build settings, it adds a whole console to the support (even if not declared) and the linux platform

I'm near 3000 hours into hll since jan 2020, I want to do the same on hll vietnam 😄

Fair enough, my bad

[delicate mortar]

I only play on Linux as well, and expecting normal experience through proton is the strict minimum expected today. Anything bellow that is just poor support on the game dev part.

[slow bramble]

HLL is the only mp game I play right now, it runs so well

[delicate mortar]

It runs well, at least when considering how it runs on Windows as well.
Because the game is still a MESS in term of optimisation.

[slow bramble]

Its been a while since I played it on Windows, but i've not had problems with it that I've seen other people report, so it may actually be more stable through proton.

I'm not, not using windows for any particular reason than my pc doesn't have TPM and i've just gotten used to it a while ago, so, may as well stick it it, a ryzen 5600 and 3080ti are still more than powerful enough

[delicate mortar]

Your FPS still tanks when simply looking inside binoculars/scopes.
Props are still rendered too late/not far enough, creating popins.
And the frametime could be considered unplayable unless you are on a x3d+high end GPU.

[slow bramble]

Haven't had bad pop ins since, maybe the update after stalingrad was released

[delicate mortar]

It's really noticeable in open area like Kursk and especially when playing tanks.

Not rendering props that affects the gameplay is really bad, sometimes you can't shoot at a target even though its fully visible, because it's behind a props that is not rendered on your side.

Because you are too far away (+300m)

Point is, the game runs comparable if not better on linux compared to windows, but it's still a mess no matter the platform.

[slow bramble]

https://steamdb.info/depot/686811/history/?changeid=M:751240303987986670

Doing some digging, this is when they added linux eac

[nova pivot]

What about the hot fix for the hot fix?

[worthy charm]

Im gonna do something hot to you

[nova pivot]

😏

[livid verge]

yo guys

how do you commit tactical suicide?

OMG I hate the MP40

[nova pivot]

Steam!!!

[ancient harness]

Me too, sometimes

[umbral osprey]

Horrendous bullet velocity

Satisfying when it hits though

[livid verge]

horre- what?

[umbral osprey]

Is that a slur lol

[livid verge]

bro what are you yapping?

[livid verge]

thats a question

without questionmark

[livid verge]

and what is ''horrendous''

[umbral osprey]

hor·ren·dous
adjective horrendous
extremely unpleasant, horrifying, or terrible.

I'm talking about the MP40

[livid verge]

oh

ah

[umbral osprey]

Go to the menu and click redeploy

Or get someone to shoot you in the face

[livid verge]

and a tactical grenade?

[vagrant peak]

i dont want to hold the key

[livid verge]

getting from role lvl V.5 to VI, takes longer than getting from lvl I to lvl VI.5

[umbral osprey]

That works too but takes a little bit longer

• you get punished with extra seconds for killing yourself and redeploying

Best is to let someone shoot you in the head

[umbral osprey]

There are 3 different chats so that doesn't really make sense in this game

Maybe map it to a different key or button that feels more natural

[vagrant peak]

ok thanks you

[umbral osprey]

But obviously in practice that doesn't happen often

Just redeploy in the menu

[arctic rampart]

hooooly how can the game awards be THIS rigged?

[silk igloo]

did you personally stop them from getting rigged?

[arctic rampart]

I tried my best

[silk igloo]

no-one is going to stop the rigging for you. anywhere.

just like no-one will build garris except yourself

[arctic rampart]

Damn

Some words of wisdom right 'ere

Still sad tho

Some turn based garbo win's so many rewards 😴

[harsh egret]

Expedition 33 has been getting insane praise since the day it dropped.

[fringe hollow]

Same reason a souls like got major awards like every past year

[arctic rampart]

Arc getting best multiplayer game is legit

Expedition 33 ahh game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2757720/Sonny_Legacy_Collection/ 🥀

It's an OG flash game if you know your way around the internet

Same thing as e33, just the visuals ain't as pretty.

[silk igloo]

was that on newgrounds?

[arctic rampart]

Armor games

[fringe hollow]

I call these all JRPGs. Turn based Persona style menus

someone has to like them I guess

[arctic rampart]

I call these all sleeper games, cause you fall asleep playing them 😴

[fringe hollow]

turn based is just boring as a whole except pokemon

pokemon is the best

[arctic rampart]

And then they had the audacity to end that whole stream (which I didn't watch, but zoomed through just now) with some Concord re-skinned garbage

And when can we, for the love of god, get rid of the stupid elemental gameplay mechanics?
Y'know like water beats fire, fire beats earth, earth beats ice and ice beats water 🥀

[harsh egret]

I agree. The allure with e33 is that it has real time elements like parries and stuff. A lot of people who are completely turned off by turn based games have fallen in love with it. Apparently the art work, writing and story is as great as the gameplay. I have been seeing hype and praise for this game since it launched. I am not surprised it cleaned house at the awards. I plan to try it eventually too.

Like legitimately, the amount of people I've seen who never play turn based and generally dislike them that went on to say e33 was the best gaming experience they've ever had, at least in many years, is staggering.

[slate canopy]

If you wanna continue talk of E33, take to offtopic please 🙂 congrats to them for all the wins (although I still am surprised at Wuthering Waves winning fan fav)

[harsh egret]

We had a 2 second conversation about the game awards, but k

[arctic rampart]

Like bf6 winning best audio design is craaaazy. Arc was waaay better.

I mean even Hell Let Loose has some nice audio in certain places. But it does lack a bit of that oomph, especially with guns. I think I've seen at least like 2-4 decent suggestion about that in #1098158460463480842

I wish that would be a thing that comes in like U20 or 21 or whatever number we're at now

[cosmic pilot]

Bless you for laying down the law 💪

Finally, mods doing they're job around here 😏

[livid verge]

how can they kill me mid running, while they are running theirselfe???

[worthy charm]

What you see isnt what they see.

[livid verge]

i look at them

they at me

yeah! eat 6 shots and kill me then!

im going INSANE

[gentle lintel]

stop being mean to people in suggestions

/feedback

dont make me moderate you harder

[fringe hollow]

Miss less? not sure what else to say

[livid verge]

15 meters

with AR

[fringe hollow]

which AR

4 factions in game

[livid verge]

STG44

[fringe hollow]

there's the problem

[livid verge]

i dont think so

played this weapon my whole life

[fringe hollow]

Didn't know you were checks HLL release born in 2019

[livid verge]

u´gh...

[fringe hollow]

then idk. I have stg bounce around enemies at close range

[livid verge]

my whole ''HLL life''

[fringe hollow]

I usually need to hard control my aim for it not to

recoil mixed with slower ROF means one miss and a mistake in adjusting leads to many misses

[livid verge]

I usually blame it all on my skill but this time

[worthy charm]

*time

[fringe hollow]

I've shot people in the chest point blank and they just shrug it off so i assume the arms ate the round cause that's realistic mhm

[arctic rampart]

Stop being mean to people in suggestions.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/ares-god-of-war-xwp-hercules-the-legendary-journeys-kevin-tod-smith-gif-25862563

[livid verge]

arigato senpai

[fringe hollow]

stop suggesting and he won't be mean?

[arctic rampart]

You must be new around here

[fringe hollow]

no, I just ignore him and then accidentally get sucked into his bait randomly over real topics

[livid verge]

make the ''deploy'' button WAY bigger

[cosmic pilot]

I'd do anything to get the time of day from you 🥺

[fringe hollow]

put the redeploy button next to the quit button and remove the "are you sure" from quitting

[gentle lintel]

i only give time to somethings, not nothings

https://tenor.com/view/rpx-syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[arctic rampart]

Too much effort. We need the pacific before that

[cosmic pilot]

I willn't

Willen't

[fringe hollow]

@worthy charm they mentioned an certain ocean again...

[livid verge]

pov me redeploying at the same op for the 50th time and die the same way just to wonder why and redeploy there again

[fringe hollow]

Smartest blueberry

[solid osprey]

sup

[livid verge]

🍜

[fringe hollow]

I tried to react with a wave emote but we have no cool ones

[livid verge]

Me: seeing an an enemy
also me: ignores him and gets shot

[worthy charm]

Shoo

[solid osprey]

just wanted to join since i enjoy the game and am often looking for players with microphones on lol

[arctic rampart]

Normies are on isle 1.
History buffs are on isle 2.
Suggestion poop posts are isle 4.
Dogwater strategies are isle 8
Normies over-hyping normal gameplay are on isle 12.

Have your pick

[solid osprey]

no impact no idea

[fringe hollow]

Vietnam is in the basement tavern if you're curious

[arctic rampart]

Oh and if you're new or whatever, you have #new-recruit-barracks

[umbral osprey]

Sometimes ignoring works haha. They might be waiting to get a better shot on you and by pretending you don't see them you trick them into thinking they can wait

[solid osprey]

all good, thanks. im not new to game, just this server i just wanted to say hi cause i have to go run some errands but may be on later

[arctic rampart]

I'm new to the game

[livid verge]

I ignore them on accident

im stupid

[solid osprey]

hell yeah brother, is the DVON for Dvon dudley?

[arctic rampart]

No. It's for a small community of boomers where we mostly play Arma Reforger

[solid osprey]

love the dudley boys

oh ok i got you, i have that game as well and i bought arma 3 for some reason also

[arctic rampart]

But I can't say more or the DPRK administration will come and whoop me

So if you're interested just dm me

[solid osprey]

ah yeah, not good

[arctic rampart]

So how do I build nodes? @solid osprey

[solid osprey]

build nodes?

[arctic rampart]

Yeah

To generate resources?

Y'know the one that gives fuel and stuff etc.

[umbral osprey]

You deploy as an engineer and place the blueprints

With the wrench

You need 50 supplies per node to then build it with the hammer

You can build 1 node of each type

The team can only have 3 sets of nodes

[arctic rampart]

but i dont have supplies

i am engineer

[umbral osprey]

Engineers usually use supply trucks

Or commander can airdrop supplies

Or a support player can drop them

You can also switch back and forth between engineer and support

[arctic rampart]

but i am spawned i cant drop supplies

[umbral osprey]

Also, the manpower node halves the time it takes the support player to get their supplies again, so you want to build that one first if you're using support role to build them

You can always redeploy

Or look for a supply truck

Or ask for one

[arctic rampart]

who do i ask?

for supplies

cause you said i need supplies to build the nodes

as engineer

[umbral osprey]

You can ask your squad leader to ask the commander for a supply truck

Or ask the commander in text chat

The commander really wants nodes so it's ok to ask

[arctic rampart]

i try asking my friends in the green chat, but nothing happen? How do ik if i have squad leader?

or like green talking chat you know with my mic

[umbral osprey]

You may be in a squad where people aren't talking

[arctic rampart]

@worthy charm moderator please help

[worthy charm]

Behave

Be kind

[arctic rampart]

i have my friend here he talks in squad with me

[worthy charm]

Dont be rude

[umbral osprey]

And the officer has the officer icon next to their name

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/ZPvX.gif

[worthy charm]

Dont argue

[umbral osprey]

He can go support for you and you can switch back and forth

[arctic rampart]

@umbral osprey If you didn't notice yet. I'm yanking your chain

[umbral osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ffs-eye-roll-my-gif-71882650842163406

Well in case anyone needs to know lol

[arctic rampart]

That's a good cover up so willes doesn't get mad at me

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-1177376989323896638

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-confused-john-travolta-gif-16946746

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1449064768223838332/image.png?ex=693d8a3b&is=693c38bb&hm=4c0254a69bb74274d0c8bd2485f76b321d38c202d6b904575792d227d3fb6ba5&

https://tenor.com/bxNUj.gif

[umbral osprey]

Sometimes I have to explain nodes to experienced people so can't rule it out haha

[arctic rampart]

They gotta' be some dented aim trainer mfers to have to explain to a level 70+ on how to build nodes

[cosmic pilot]

Coolest one
🫸

[umbral osprey]

I feel violated

[arctic rampart]

Go and support the Turkish boys https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1447235021344608488

full disclaimer : I'm not Turkish

[umbral osprey]

Do we have diplomatic relations with the Turks? Tell them to support me and I'll support them. https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1383980535965159485

[cosmic pilot]

🫸

[arctic rampart]

I get your offer, but your thing's pointless. They'll never add it

[umbral osprey]

Why wouldn't they

[arctic rampart]

Whilst I don't know the technical side too deeply. I mean it's the logistics between 3+ companies. Why put in the effort if only a small % of the players would even be interested.
They're hands are waaaaay above full with the existing workload. Can't see them doing it ever, just like PTE's ain't gonna come on console nor' is cosplay going to exist.

[iron patrol]

If they ever need translation I can help for sure

[arctic rampart]

yeah doubt it's gonna be open sourced bud'

[iron patrol]

I used to be a licensed translator but sure bud

[arctic rampart]

But in any case, getting a mfer to translate a text document for cash is gonna be way more doable then any of that previous stuff

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, I get that and it's cool. But you think t17 gives a damn?

[umbral osprey]

They can just start tracking it on their end of things. It's pretty straightforward if they're interested. It's something a lot of games have so it's not much to ask for.

[iron patrol]

Of course not. My bad

[arctic rampart]

So is not having tanks fly off into the sky, but here we are 😄

[umbral osprey]

Well that is a lot more complicated haha

To be fair

[arctic rampart]

In any case, arc raiders wipes in 10 days btw

[umbral osprey]

What does that mean exactly

They lose all their possessions?

[arctic rampart]

Well, if you want. It's not mandatory like some other games, but if you want and you have completed this special mechanic, which is quite easy.
You can then sign up to get your progress wiped back to nearly 0 and get some small rewards.

[umbral osprey]

Seems worth it if it's something unique you can never get again

I don't play games like that though, I don't really get them

[umbral osprey]

Omg you were doing it again weren't you @arctic rampart

https://tenor.com/view/squinting-skeptical-futurama-gif-14582715115319205829

[silk igloo]

i think the strongpoint should be renamed to "last stand" so people wouldn't mistake it as anything but some structures that can be blasted to hell

[oak current]

ß

[worthy charm]

Ü

[oak current]

was cleaning keyboard

[livid verge]

I accidentally pressed deploy when it hit 0 seconds!

I cant ''undeploy'#

aw man!

[silk igloo]

you missed the bus but locked in

[livid verge]

fr

[gritty lichen]

Who do i have to talk to to fix the brummbar

[silk igloo]

you shall embark on a quest to find the lair of the infamous T17 and force them to heed thine words

[past spoke]

Any word on new hotfix? The hot fix yesterday made blurriness at range worse for me on ps5. Anything after 25m is blurred and after 100 you can only see muzzleflashesbut no actual person.

[gritty lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-walk-hobbits-gif-14926728320407609171

[cyan saddle]

I was impressed for a second that you managed to hit Ctrl, Alt and S at the same time, but then I realized that our ingenious German friends would rather create their own keyboard layout as opposed to simply tapping the S-key twice.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

Its not even a double s

its sz

[static merlin]

A fix next week is hilarious, 2 weeks to fix a graphics issue is diabolical

[silk igloo]

it's ßußßing

[turbid plaza]

Company is a joke

[static merlin]

Translation - we couldn’t care less abt HLL, we only care abt Vietnam

[turbid plaza]

Wasted 2 years building a group on this game just to end up having no desire to play it because of the constant issues they dont care to fix and new issues that arise every update.

Im onto greener pastures. They dont deserve my time.

And i know a percentage of the veteran player base feels the same.

But please, t17, continue to cater to the ppl who play on game pass and wish it was CoD.

[turbid plaza]

Tbf they should so that gane isnt an abysmal mess 5 years into its run aswell

[outer stone]

T17 are you ever going to fix the insane stuttering and lag in this game???? This game is dying because of your terrible decisions and practices. It’s embarrassing.

[past veldt]

Which features do you believe make the game like call of duty?

[umbral osprey]

Game Pass people catching strays haha

[past veldt]

5 points if you can name a single change T17 has made since taking over the development which has made the game more like cod

[turbid plaza]

I said t17 caters to the ppl who wish it was call of duty. The ppl who complain about the history and care about kills, not tean work

[past veldt]

Yeah, but like, what have they done to cater to them

[turbid plaza]

Armor update. Artillery update.

[past veldt]

Yeah, but like, what about it?

[fair totem]

The people who team kill, or don’t have a microphone need to be banned permanently!

When I mean team kill, when they do it constantly before a match starts!

[gloomy quartz]

Typical console n4zi larper in the chat here

[fair totem]

Must be your wifi connection, the only map which staggers is Smolensk at the moment!

[fair totem]

Who you aiming that at?

[outer stone]

Well that’s the map I’ve been trying to play. And Stalingrad still runs terrible as well unless they’ve fixed that too since I last played it.

[turbid plaza]

Probably me lol.

[gloomy quartz]

You

[past veldt]

Please don't troll my HLL Vietnam Lt. Col like that

[fair totem]

I am hoping they will sort that, and Stalingrad is a lot better!

[gloomy quartz]

"Generalmajor 2. Panzer-Division - HLL"

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-9828766681290374907

[fair totem]

For telling the truth about microphones and team kills? 🤦‍♀️

[umbral osprey]

Come on you don't need to attack him personally

[outer stone]

I last played Stalingrad when they made the new version, and it still ran terribly like it always has. But I could be wrong if it was fixed since then.

[turbid plaza]

Do u rage quit when u get the germans too?

[silk igloo]

Maybe the real game was the group you made along the way

[past veldt]

Anyway, what about the armour and artillery updates made the game better for call of duty players?

[turbid plaza]

Its a historical game pal.

[fair totem]

It is a lot better than it was at the beginning!

[gloomy quartz]

Ye mate

Totally good comparison

[fair totem]

I bet you do, I bet you go running to your mummy!

[gloomy quartz]

Calm down unc

[turbid plaza]

Look man ive been running a german unit for 2 years. Ive heard it all from clown like you. I couldnt care less rhat you even exist my man.

[fair totem]

Don’t take it out on me then, when I am spouting facts!

[gloomy quartz]

Most sane man from brighton right here

[past veldt]

He's probably actually from Eastbourne

[silk igloo]

you guys are silly, everyone knows that finns were the only good guys

[past veldt]

Avg age of a HLL player is the same as the avg person from Eastbourne

[fair totem]

Brighton through and through, don’t come from a retired village just yet! 😂

[turbid plaza]

I think the changes were unnecessary. Veteran players didnt ask for them. Makes the game less about team work and more about individual glory.

Before the artillery gun was set up to 100% assist the team.

Now ppl can use it wherever, whenever or not at all but they use it for themselves now to get kills or whatever u see my point?

[gloomy quartz]

Brighton inbred through and through

[fair totem]

Keyboard, warrior enough said….

[past veldt]

Not really, because now you have to be in a dedicated squad and have some teamwork to build the gun

Whereas before any ol' Joe could hop on for some quick kills

[vale garnet]

Arty used to be entirely about kill counts in pubs

[turbid plaza]

Or go to command supplies

[sonic summit]

Do admins on this game actually stop cheaters?

[past veldt]

No, next question

[turbid plaza]

Arty gets alot of kills but it waa set uo to where when it was used it was used to assist the teams movements

[past veldt]

How is it any different now

[vale garnet]

Erm, if that’s what you want to believe bless you child

[past veldt]

It's the same gun

[turbid plaza]

Because now its not even on the map unkess someone builds it and is easiky destroyed

[gloomy quartz]

First time on the internet?

[slim elk]

Question:
Since I already have Hell let loose, would I get a discount or anything really for Vietnam?

[fair totem]

I think it is your first time mate. 👍🏻

[past veldt]

Yeah, so it needs some more teamwork to protect the gun

[past veldt]

No one knows

[turbid plaza]

My point being most veterans HLL playera didnt want these changes.

It was the new player base complaining ie the cod players from game pass

[past veldt]

Yeah but like, the artillery update requires more team work than before

[gloomy quartz]

Probably gotta pay more

[outer stone]

Honestly I feel like zero mfs wanted most these changes

[vale garnet]

I play battlefield not cod thank you very much

[past veldt]

So your point is kinda null and void

[umbral osprey]

The arty always being there really lends it more to a random person hopping on to get some kills who isn't talking to the team at all

[past veldt]

Exactly

So it's better now

Insane really. Gj T17 for once yknow

[turbid plaza]

Good job lok

[gloomy quartz]

I think what Dimebag is secretly implying is that he gets sh1t on a lot and used to just jump on arty to get back on the players sh1tting on him

I have a good feeling

[turbid plaza]

I dont play arty

[past veldt]

So, the points about the arty update are disproved, let's crack on with the armour update

[vale garnet]

I haven’t noticed any real difference in the gameplay from it, maybe just less arty in pubs but meh I don’t care about pubs

[turbid plaza]

Isk im used to tean work and comms i guess not randos jumping on the gun

But either way i dont even play hll anymore cuz t17 is a jome

[past veldt]

Brother what are you yapping about

[silk igloo]

I wanted SPAs, they just totally gimped them to what they let on to. Not being able to destroy garris, not being able to direct fire, not being able to move beyond ~800m 1000m from the HQ they're spawned in.

[past veldt]

There are less random people hopping on the guns now than before

[turbid plaza]

That this game is broken and nobody wanted these dunb changes

[past veldt]

Because you literally have to be in an artillery squad

[turbid plaza]

And nobody is doing it

[past veldt]

No, make a valid point first

[vale garnet]

2 heavy limit is cracked too

[turbid plaza]

Dude i dont owe u anything piss off

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-bird-gif-16835999897918525830

[turbid plaza]

The game is broken. Theres your valid point

T17 cant do 1 thing right. Theres another.

[past veldt]

Don't rage when you're proved wrong about the game being catered to call of duty players

[turbid plaza]

Proved wrong? Lol

If thats what u think

[past veldt]

You said more random people are using the artillery now, which is false

[vale garnet]

Wehraboo rage is the best

[turbid plaza]

It is catered to ppl who care about kills and being silent.

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-like-xbox-xbox-xbox-sucks-ps5-ps4-gif-6014980258392177354

[outer stone]

Aren’t most of the vehicles not even actually SPA’s?

[past veldt]

Artillery has always been this way. Except now you actually have to defend the guns or you can lose it

[turbid plaza]

No they arent SPAs

[past veldt]

So it needs more team work than before

[vale garnet]

It requires more communication to use arty now than before… so how is this possible

[turbid plaza]

Another botched t17 job

[vale garnet]

You make absolutely no sense

[silk igloo]

Technically no, but idc so much about terminology when even machineguns were used as indirect artillery

[past veldt]

Anyway, what about the armour update is it that is catered to cod players?

(I actually have a point here for you if you'd like)