mess-hall

[novel geyser]

lmao they really putting all the most requested features into HLLV and leaving HLLww2 with whatever weird things they come up with

[wind shore]

vietnam is lookin SIIIIIIIICK

[novel geyser]

trailer sure gets the HLL spirit of running really slowly in a straight line

[wind shore]

that dragging mechanic is amazing

[novel geyser]

wonder if medic will actually be useful outside of very specific situations

[lucid tusk]

I really enjoyed when the RPG hit the huey and the camera cut but not before the wreckage lost all momentum and just turned into a static wreck and fireball

[novel geyser]

LOL

real

bayonets, motars and even dragging and HLL ww2 is left with fake SPAs

guns still look as boring as HLL guns tho

[lucid tusk]

As a WW2 purist who has no interest in vietnam I feel cheated lol

[novel geyser]

I like nam but RS2 is in my steam library so if I get the nam itch I play that

[runic veldt]

ngl the game looks really nice, but the motion of soldiers really needs refining

[ancient harness]

Are we for real

[midnight salmon]

video where?

[novel geyser]

yep

#sit-reps

[ancient harness]

Wow

[novel geyser]

even boats
I have seen ppl request that for HLLww2

[runic veldt]

TBH I think WW2 just needs remaking at this point, game is so old now, and the GFX are just outdated compared to newer titles. 100% there's loads of tech debt as well, IDK why they dont just do a sequel to it but for maps that people know and care about.

[ancient harness]

Well it's clear now that they're scrapping the OG HLL in favor of this new one. That or the 2027 roadmap will be full of HLL:V mechanics terribly copypasted into the OG

[novel geyser]

judging purly from the trailer the overall gameplay of the vietnam game doesnt look too different, if they can update some of the mechanics of HLLww2 I think it would be fine

[runic veldt]

yh the gunplay looks similar

[ancient harness]

And do you think they will at this point

[novel geyser]

they literally had the chance to add mortars but decided to go with fake SPAs fsr, despite adding mortars into vietnam

[ancient harness]

If Vietnam gets more attention than WW2, what's the point anymore

[novel geyser]

depends if they keep their word on continuing to update ww2

[runic veldt]

tbh bro, the WW2 game has been out since 2021

its 4 years old, you cant expect it to have full support still when they wanna make a new title

[ancient harness]

I know, that's why I'm saying this

[runic veldt]

Outside of mortars, and medic dragging what other mechanics can even get added to that game? It just needs more maps at this point

[ancient harness]

more ammo to the FG-42

[novel geyser]

well better loadout balancing, subfactions for existing and future maps, some actual gunplay nuance like an actual magazine system, fire modes and weapon sighting. Improvements to the logistics gameplay and garrisons a bit more interesting damage models for players

improvements to the current gamemodes

[ancient harness]

We're lucky if we end up getting half of that 💔

[novel geyser]

yep

some people dont really care too much about the theme of the game and will happily jump ship from a ww2 shooter to a vietnam one, but for me and many others the setting is a very important part of the experience

[ancient harness]

Vietnam is looking nice but I downloaded this game mostly because of the setting, so I don't think I'll be playing HLL:V. So it's sad to see that it's slowly dying and they're not helping with that

[novel geyser]

Im not going to jump to HLLV just because its a new HLL game like others might, I want the best from the current game because of the WW2 setting

[ancient harness]

Same thing different words

[leaden fiber]

longer than that. I think this game first dropped on steam in 2019?

[runic veldt]

Yeah it was if you got the tester version

[leaden fiber]

i have zero interest in HLLV. Look what happened to HLL, you trust them to deliver a good experience with HLLV? no thanks, i'll play '83 instead for my cold war fix

[fresh night]

Vietnam looks amazing

[neat urchin]

Just me or did the trailer look basic lol

[finite berry]

Let's hope that they finally add tickets, otherwise that dragging will be absolutely pointless aside from looking good for YouTube Shorts moments

[finite berry]

Average trailer in my eyes. Looks visually impressive and builds up hype, but at the end of the day didn't show much that we didn't already know yet

[wind shore]

I'd like rs2 vietnam campaign type of game mode for sure

[neat urchin]

Yeah reminded me of the brecourt trailer in same style sense but better graphics lol

[idle pollen]

It always baffles me the negativity on social media about anything new. Just wait for it, play it or don’t. Judge your experience then. Beta before release is good atleast. Free test

[neat urchin]

BF6 trialer got me pumped. This ones cool but didnt get me pumped up to play it right away.

[novel geyser]

if they can make the gamemodes and logistics side more interesting and play into such a mode it might work
if the modes and logistics are exactly the same as they are in HLL then that mode would probably not be anything special

[idle pollen]

Dragging cool, helicopters cool, launchers cool, mortars cool. Movement looks more fluid. We’ll see

Jungle, coolest. I love the Vietnam war and its odd, hated place in history though. So I’m biased I suppose

[leaden fiber]

in this case the negativity is well-warranted. we have 6 years of experience with their prior game in the series, and a series of very recent development stumbles

[neat urchin]

All im saying is it coulda been longer and had more action. Missed on some things

[prisma fiber]

First thing is mortars after releasing the HLL update that purposely ignored mortars

lmao

[idle pollen]

Hm, I’ve always liked HLL a lot

[leaden fiber]

so have I, which is why im still here but jesus christ is it ever a mess

[gilded spade]

@fluid pawn can we read somewhere what the hotfix will be fixing?

[neat urchin]

Seeing mortars in that game and not this one is making me mad lol

[mental vine]

Anyone know when they gonna fix the blurry vieuw

[icy panther]

HLL: Vietnam brought to you by: frame gen

[novel geyser]

Im a miserable skeptic about the game, I never wanted them to make a sequel since I wanted them to put 100% into the current game to make it the best version of itself

[mental vine]

Cant see sht from a distance

[neat urchin]

2026

[idle pollen]

I wonder if a big chunk of the issue is working on someone else’s trash code and structure.

This will be a good reset for them if it hits

[novel geyser]

but now all the things we wanted in ww2 HLL is going to the vietnam one I suppose

[cedar ore]

HOLY PEAK

[mental vine]

2026? That really bad

[leaden fiber]

i mean yeah it is part of the issue, but t17 has put in plenty of their own trash code and structure

[prisma fiber]

someone else’s trash code and structure didn't keep T17 from testing their updates or listening to the feedback of the players who volunteered their time to test for them

[ancient harness]

Me too, man

[fluid pawn]

Just pulling that together atm 🫡 Will also be including the SPA stats that were missing from the changelog

[idle pollen]

Would be cool if they launched HLLV, and then did a HLL Redux with all updated stuff

[leaden fiber]

and as we all know, done next to no QA

[echo karma]

Is it delayed?

[cedar ore]

its a seperate team iirc

[wind shore]

yeah... bunkers are easily destroyed in hll as is

[polar prism]

Seeing how HLL tanks are, I can already imagine how crap the helicopters will feel

[echo karma]

Just wait

[fluid pawn]

Tomorrow hopefully! 🙂

[novel geyser]

yes but probably a larger team

[idle pollen]

Give us Arma helicopter mechanics

So smooth

[echo karma]

Death to sky dragon!

[prisma fiber]

Oh god they're cramming it all last second

STRAP UP BOYS A HURRICANE IS A-COMIN

[ebon nebula]

If I can say anything to the devs of hell let loose Vietnam that be I hope this game gets the game of the year of award because look how realistic it is

[wind shore]

@fluid pawn is hll done for or there's more development coming?

[cedar ore]

thats a very random assumption

[echo karma]

Travels 600m instantly

[fluid pawn]

Much more to come!

Stay tuned 😊

[novel geyser]

Not really random, its a literal new game from the ground up, only makes sense for them to give it the bigger team

[wind shore]

glad to hear that

[polar prism]

They're obviously not going to make it realistic, but most likely easy and accessible to the average player

[leaden fiber]

haha!

[icy panther]

I've been seeing a lot of helicopters in HLL the past week

[leaden fiber]

if they make this game REALISTIC then it will die a quick death

[cedar ore]

well yeah that makes sense, i dont really see any problems, theyre gonna still be very different games, its not like this is a call of duty thing lol

[leaden fiber]

if you want ultra realism, go play ARMA

[novel geyser]

I just want more from HLLww2 man, SPAs was a bad choice especially when mortars are coming to vietnam

[cedar ore]

REAL

[polar prism]

Not realistic enough, I prefer DCS helis

[fluid pawn]

More WW2 is coming dw

[mental vine]

Are you a community manager?

[cedar ore]

those dragging mechanics look interesting

bayonets too

[prisma fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382781249319473265/1448336645165416448/aekew5.png?ex=693ae41d&is=6939929d&hm=76b0e90cbfb219d5188b9a1f4a707f823e048b7a95acd51874a3c926aec46f44&

[static tapir]

they genuinely adding the big Nam

[novel geyser]

I know they said they're gonna keep updating ww2 but quality matters, I dont want the new game to get all of the love and for ww2 to keep getting subpar updates and weird additions that had much better alternatives that the new game gets

[mental vine]

When is Remagen getting fixed? In 5 years i never played 1 normal game of Remagen. Such a good map unplayable

[cedar ore]

you know what, fair enough

[static tapir]

I agree

[cedar ore]

id like to hope that doesnt happen but we'll have to wait and see lol

[polar prism]

After seeing the trailer, I'm going to pass on the game and stay with HLL WW2. As a Canadian, Vietnam doesn't interest me 😅

[carmine pilot]

Will people build nodes in Vietnam

[leaden fiber]

i don't know how to tell you this....but......ww2 has been getting subpar updates for like 2.5 years now

[ebon nebula]

Is it on PlayStation plus hell let loose now and hell let loose Vietnam is nothing like a ptsd simulator and realistic and I like that way

[fluid pawn]

Yessir

[echo karma]

No

[carmine pilot]

I knew it

[prisma fiber]

I predict: Reloading broken

[echo karma]

Send_Nodes

[novel geyser]

like I said earlier Im not as willing to jump ship to HLLV because I care a lot more for the WW2 setting than simply there being a new game.
I want ww2 to be the best version of itself and It would be a huge shame if thats what HLLV ends up being and WW2 gets left in its messy state

[icy panther]

yeah HLL:V has been nothing but a bummer since it was announced, I don't believe this title was ever built as a franchise or should have been turned into one, and I'm personally not half as interested in the setting of the Vietnam war compared to WW2

[leaden fiber]

realistic war games aren't fun, which is they are a niche thing

[mental vine]

Hllv is gonna be a real campers parisde

[echo karma]

At least HLLV will be dogwater off the rip

[leaden fiber]

arma and squad and the like dont exactly have millions of players

[static tapir]

I hope the ww2 one doesn't die

[mental vine]

Paradise*^

[static tapir]

that would be unfortunate

[hazy owl]

Check when T17 acquired HLL and it all starts to make sense... They've been working on HLL:V the whole time. HLL gets minimum resources at this moment in my opinion to release the main cash cow.

[broken shoal]

where is the vietnam trailer they said was going to be today

[neat urchin]

For this game right?

[echo karma]

Imagine waiting 2 weeks for a hotfix cuz your underground garries don't work

[prisma fiber]

#sit-reps

[static tapir]

fair

[broken shoal]

noice,thanks

[hazy owl]

They're testing the tunnel spawns for Vietnam obv 😄

[carmine pilot]

WW2 will still be worked on

[leaden fiber]

i dont think this is true, especially when t17 paid SO MUCH for Hell Let Loose. why would they spend the 60m only to not care about the game and develop a new game, one which they didn't need the HLL license for?

[static tapir]

I sure hope

[echo karma]

Why tf does an American boat have twin ma duece 50 cals with AA sights??

[ebon nebula]

With hell let loose Vietnam coming out. I could finally be paranoid for real when I’m playing one in the maps

[carmine pilot]

When is HLLV beta

[worthy charm]

Wasnt it "only" 44M?

[icy panther]

whether HLL:V is successful (functional) or not, it's going to have a big negative hit to the player count of HLL both at release and going forward, since people will see it as the sequel, the same way nobody buys old Battlefield games anymore (especially if they don't lower the price of HLL back down to something reasonable!!)

[hazy owl]

they acquired the codebase and maybe part of the team too and so on it's not just the game

[spark canopy]

Is it so like in hll ww2 in hllv that you have designated chopper teams? So gunner and pilots on same squad?

[ebon nebula]

That’s simple freedom

[cedar ore]

double the 50s double the fun

thats 100% more bullet per bullet

[prisma fiber]

Literally nobody knows anything other than "HLL in Vietnam"

[spark canopy]

Aaaaw😭😭

[echo karma]

That heli in the trailer was moving hella slow brother. Wtf. And literally just boomba after 1 arpg like a recon tank animation

[solemn thicket]

Hey guys quick question:
Do you guys think that every maps strengths and weaknesses have more to do with winning then playing around what points you have to attack/defend is?
I.e., on SMDM, if Cattlesheds isn't a point, would putting up a garrison to control the middle of the map effect winning-odds or no?

[leaden fiber]

it was a combination purchase price and acquistion agreements over the next 2 years or something

the total value was estimated at 60ish m

[echo walrus]

You guys always asked for mortars in the game; they added them, just in the wrong game. 😂

[static tapir]

😭

[echo karma]

And carrying revive system and double barrel shotguns. And and and rpgs

[novel geyser]

its very frustraiting indeed

[neat urchin]

Thanks Ben

[echo karma]

Double barrel shotgun wasn't invented in ww2 guys

Nor Desmond doss style carrying.

[leaden fiber]

i think the dudes who are thinking "finally, realism!" are going to be disappointed. it's going to be like HLL in Vietnam. Slightly more involved than a battlefield game, but still accessible for regular gamers to have fun

[strange belfry]

Hyped for Vietnam

[boreal stratus]

HLL:V is being built on the UE5, gg boys

[tacit elm]

realism players are cringe man

[echo karma]

But why that heli so slow?

[novel geyser]

I wont be happy about it until they make the ww2 game actually good

[echo karma]

GG crash fest

[ancient harness]

I have a feeling that the gameplay is going to be actually worse than HLL WW2? Just because of the whole setting of that war

[novel geyser]

Ben if you're around can you atleast give a wee hint about the next ww2 update

its not gonna be juno beach is it...

[leaden fiber]

there's a very real possibility

[echo karma]

Cuz nva has Cas right

[nova pivot]

Bushes and automatic weapons everywhere

[strange belfry]

Ben’s gonna drop the pacific front next update for Christmas

[tacit elm]

They should have just done the Pacific honestly

[novel geyser]

you take the best (worst) maps in hll with all the foliage and bushes, give everyone full auto guns with hll really good (Terrible) gunplay and recoil and there you have a HLL game in vietnam

[broken shoal]

so you just need a rocket to destroy an heli. i can already see the complains. its over for this chat

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[leaden fiber]

Vietnam battlefields won't allow the sort of variety that HLL does

[boreal stratus]

You think it’s going be worse because of the setting, I know that it’s going to be horrible considering an unreliable dev team is making the game and they’re doing it on the unreal engine

[echo karma]

They can't push a hotfix in a timely manner. Game is cooked brother

[finite berry]

Impossible to balance without butchering historical accuracy completely

[leaden fiber]

im concerned about tanking and logistics not being as good

[tacit elm]

I mean yeah but what matters is fun sometimes

[worldly mountain]

M30 Drilling from the Luftwaffe?

[leaden fiber]

you hate Hill400 and Hurtgen? Here, have a whole game of that

[finite berry]

Historical accuracy is part of the fun

[strange belfry]

I wonder if they’ll stick with the supplies system or change it entirely

[tacit elm]

I know I like it too but you gotta make sacrifices along the way

[prisma fiber]

It's weird how there's never been a WW2 Pacific Front game because of this

[novel geyser]

for pete's sake soviets and brits need way more content before they even think for a milisecond about the pacific or any other damn US map

[finite berry]

At some point the sacrifices will be too big

[tacit elm]

Trve

[icy panther]

https://tenor.com/view/adele-sn-p-snladele-hello-gif-19818171

gameplay variety in vietnam ^

[worthy charm]

If I remeber right the maps wont be as accurate as in HLL, so they will make stuff up to balance it....
Surely that cant go wrong

[echo karma]

It looks really dumbed down. Idk maybe the fps stutters? Not the worst trailer ever

[ancient harness]

The whole war was about that so I doubt it'll be better than that

[tacit elm]

me in HLL seeing fourteen silhouttes move behind a pair of bushes before I get decimated by 14 automatics

vietnam ^^

[leaden fiber]

honestly i hope so. id rather have more ways to have fun than MUH ACCURASEE

[tacit elm]

in ww2 you kinda have more fun given its a lot more variety in terrain

[boreal stratus]

That’s the average Kursk game

[echo karma]

Korean War game would be dope tho

[boreal stratus]

Or how about this… just add Korea to HLL

You already have the weapons

Just make the map and the Chinese/Koreans

[ancient harness]

Missed opportunity. Also I don't think there are that many games or media at all about that war. And balancing would be closer to HLL WW2

[echo karma]

It's post ww2 so idk. Plus no tanks

[carmine pilot]

Caveman HLL, would love my “heavy tank” to be a mammoth

[leaden fiber]

"Vietnam" might be better as "a set of maps" rather than a whole game, honestly

[tacit elm]

Trvke?!!?!

[boreal stratus]

Almost everything used in Korea was used in ww2 or developed near the end of ww2 except the jet fighters

[prisma fiber]

Nobody talks about it much but a Korean War game might not be marketable in China

[icy panther]

something something pa - cifi -c the - atre

[novel geyser]

Korean war game wouldnt sell as well as vietnam

vietnam already isnt super popular in europe as far as I know

[leaden fiber]

there were definitely tanks in Korea. what makes you think otherwise?

[ancient harness]

Well

Too bad

[echo karma]

Lol ok bud

[prisma fiber]

Yeah me too but that's the world we live in

Squad was effectively banned in mainland China for the faction choices

HLL has a significant Chinese player base, it's business

[fluid pawn]

It's difficult to have an 'accurate' battle map as unlike WW2 where the battles were set is a specific area, a lot of the battles that were fought ranged all over the country. Specific Operations however are being utilised as part of the development process I believe 🙂

[echo karma]

China got there arses handed to themselves. Doubt it'll be made

[novel geyser]

tell us the next ww2 map ben 🔪

[prisma fiber]

T17 does enough business in the Chinese market that they'll never touch anything even close to the subject

[fluid pawn]

[leaden fiber]

? There were t-34s, Shermans, Pershings

[novel geyser]

I swear if its juno beach 💔

[worldly mountain]

Battle of Berlin and with that, the end of HLL

[boreal stratus]

Same thing with enlisted

[prisma fiber]

New non-desert british map required

[echo karma]

Ahh yes the Chinese captured t34s yess yess this happened

[novel geyser]

lmao

[ancient harness]

Is there a reason why we never got early war maps?

[novel geyser]

hoping for caen but there is a none 0% chance its juno
which is a weird choice because its the canadians and not the brits even if the equipment was near identical it will annoy me

[tacit elm]

Good im tired of chinese players friendly firing me without any reason

[prisma fiber]

Probably to keep the loadouts consistent

Plus the early-war loadouts wouldnt market as well

[prisma fiber]

T17 hears you and thgen gladly takes Chinese currency

You still bought and play HLL

[ancient harness]

I mean they're the same loadouts as the Africa maps save for the tanks

[leaden fiber]

not really sure what Muph is going on about. just a quick google would have told you what some of us know as common knowledge

[tacit elm]

Operation Barbarossa would be awesome to see

[prisma fiber]

The african loadouts came later

[worldly mountain]

Fortress Harz in lower saxony, i´ve some old maps from some positions from the Wehrmacht

[tacit elm]

I’m just saying, an stg - 44 in 1941 is very anachronistic but you gotta cut some costs every once and a while to make it playable as a whole

[novel geyser]

I'd want to see subfactions before we get any early war maps
I dont want germans invading france with stg44s in 1940

[echo karma]

Bc I'm right? The main battle involved no tanks brother. It was just a convoy

[ancient harness]

Well, but we could still get early war maps now, I don't know what's stopping them

[tacit elm]

the game is decently historically accurate

[novel geyser]

eah

[finite berry]

You will storm Stonne with your StG 44 and you will like it

[prisma fiber]

You're asking a lot of a dev team that doesn't even test what they make now

[leaden fiber]

but you aren't right, though. There were loads of tanks serving in Korea on both sides

[novel geyser]

they could very easily make an eastern front germany faction to better match against the soviets

[leaden fiber]

all you have to do is look it up

[novel geyser]

remove some of the out of place tanks and guns and add g41 and panzerbusche and voila

[echo karma]

We talking bout the Korean War brother. China vs merica

[leaden fiber]

your understanding of the Korean War isn't correct

oh ok, I am being trolled

nm

[ancient harness]

Which tanks are out of place in the eastern front?

[echo karma]

Panther

[novel geyser]

idk about all maps but the tiger and I think the panther

[tacit elm]

realism players when their characters left boot is slightly off colour than the boot irl

[ancient harness]

But do the soviets get their IS-1s?

[tacit elm]

its just stg 44s in 1940 aren’t a problem as its a game and thats what matters

[echo karma]

Cod ww2 called

[finite berry]

They simply shouldn't be there

[leaden fiber]

when HLL first released, there were huge fights on discord over the HISTORICAL ACCURACY of the Thompson's friggin SIGHTS

ppl got tilted over that

[ancient harness]

I don't want STG-44s in 1940 honestly

[tacit elm]

This isn’t bf1 where a russian peasant is wielding a BAR automatic rifle

[finite berry]

Based

[prisma fiber]

Luchs never made it to the eastern front

[novel geyser]

Tanks could very easily be map based rather than purely tied to the faction

[tacit elm]

Me neither, but how will we balance the german load out

[echo karma]

We don't mention s44 in here brother

[leaden fiber]

who the f cares if the gunsight is wider? ITS A SIGHT

[tacit elm]

it feels like a pinnacle of german weaponry in game

[ancient harness]

Bah scrap the rat

[prisma fiber]

To be fair only 100 were ever made and IDK why BM chose such a rare variant of the pz2

Same with the IS-1

[tacit elm]

They gave the thompson berating when the M1 sights are in accurate as well but those are for balancing reasons

[ancient harness]

Kars and MP40s, they'd be battling against the British anyways, what's the problem?

[leaden fiber]

i wish the Luchs never made it to this GAME. it's useless. especially when the russian light and US light and british light can all kill other tanks

[novel geyser]

because BM have made a lot of weird choices
remember the british when they first came out

[leaden fiber]

the PUMA is more useful than the luchs

[prisma fiber]

Lanchesters 😄

[tacit elm]

I was kinda talking about france

[novel geyser]

Lanchesters, P14s being ""standard issue""

[prisma fiber]

Well, now after U19 where US bazookas go through everything

[tacit elm]

but yeah still i guess

[novel geyser]

Different guns and tanks being available on different maps makes those maps more unique

theres no reason to have a 1940 invasion of france map if everyone is kitted out in 1944 gear

[leaden fiber]

remember when the Firefly was very clearly just old BM code they had sitting around because it performed like the way Shermans used to perform in a prior update?

[finite berry]

Don't forget the French and Benelux

[leaden fiber]

its very apparent that initial British update was nothing more than the code that BM had finished for their planned British update

that was my first warning sign that t17 were in way over their heads

[ancient harness]

Did they have even worse stuff than Kars and MP40s

[novel geyser]

I still dont know who is to blame for that update, people are quick to point the finger at T17 but even then BM were not perfect, I can believe them farting that out before they take their money and run to make their nepoleonic survival pvp pve extraction horror shooter™

[worldly mountain]

I am in favor of adding the Maus. Six tank crew members, ergo another new squad.

[prisma fiber]

BM didnt have decades of game dev experience

[icy panther]

T17 don't either, they're a publisher... lol

their studios are contractors

[leaden fiber]

you 100% blame t17. BM had already been working on that British update slowly for months, and then T17 decided to release that code after tying up some loose ends

[prisma fiber]

I cannot facepalm harder at this reddit-tier "akshualee" moment

[past vortex]

that wasnt gameplay footage at all :}

[novel geyser]

so was it BM to blame for the terrible map and weapon choice or is that all on T17 too

[tacit elm]

like i said gameplay never looks like that man

[novel geyser]

Idk how in depth T17 were on decision making but would they really tell BM what specific guns to put into the game and get it so unbelievably wrong

[finite berry]

Not even the MP 40 that much, actually. Mostly K98k, MP 38s and MP 34(ö)s.

[icy panther]

that's the reality of a widespread publisher, the studio they have working on HLL isn't some team of industry veterans

[amber nexus]

Felt like I was watching the trailer again

[finite berry]

Kinda true lol

[leaden fiber]

BM left them an unfinished product that they had been working on for ages. the new owner came in, saw that, and said "We need to start recouping our massive investment we need to drive some sales so lets release this as a major update"

that's ALL on t17 man.

[ancient harness]

So who'd have the worst guns?

[novel geyser]

T17 of course pushed the update, but the assets were made by BM, the maps the guns the character models
they made them in the first place, yes T17 could be to blame for not changing them but BM were the ones that added them to begin with

[prisma fiber]

T17's crowning achievement post-purchase was actually fixing the loadout bug that BM couldn't

[novel geyser]

this is true lol

[finite berry]

? Nobody?

[prisma fiber]

Remember that?

[leaden fiber]

every garbage update we've gotten in the last 2-3 years stems from t17 needing to quickly start making money on HLL that they paid WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much for

[frosty hedge]

i have a feeling when first day of launch comes its gonna be hella laggy, buggy and unplayable

[ancient harness]

Someone was saying that balancing would be a problem

[leaden fiber]

rushed updates to drive steam or EGS sales

[novel geyser]

invasion of france would be somewhat balanced I'd think, only thing would be tanks I'd assume but even then its early war tanks vs early war AT

[leaden fiber]

cosmetics

more cosmetics

[ancient harness]

That's what I thought

[clear magnet]

new trailer for HLL Vietnam is awesome.. I can't wait for its release

[finite berry]

If you actually use historically accurate loadouts (so everyone gets bolt-action rifles with a few MGs and SMGs in between), it would be pretty even. Naturally, that won't work with HLL's playerbase because they are just not patient or skilled enough to efficiently use a bolt-action rifle

[leaden fiber]

this game was doomed the moment that BM sold it. as, quite frankly, amatuer as BM was they weren't churning out total trash

[novel geyser]

bolt actions do just need improving in the current game anyways slower than they need to be

[finite berry]

Eh, the French S35 and B1 would be very tough to crack.

[novel geyser]

the m38 mosin for whatever reason is actually the fastest bolt action in the game

[tacit elm]

the bolt actions just feel horrible to use

[leaden fiber]

t17 however HAD to churn out content as fast as they could and didn't even QA it like you normally would because they had to make money or else

[icy panther]

they'd probably make more money on HLL if they didn't jack the price up to $50

[tacit elm]

the game is designed for semi autos

[novel geyser]

theres a bit of a needless delay between firing and bolting, go in the range and use the m38 mosin, it feels way better to shoot because it doesnt have that delay

[ancient harness]

They're actually pretty good weapons. Unless they're British

[past vortex]

its always on sale

[supple cedar]

pretty wild to see what the HLL community has been asking for in that trailer (mortar crew) and then they give us these SPA things that are absolute 🗑️

[leaden fiber]

the british bolt actions are awesome now after the brits got tweaked

[ancient harness]

Really?

[icy panther]

for a higher price tag than it cost after the price was increased after the game was released

[novel geyser]

They are my favourites, they still need to be faster tho

[leaden fiber]

yeah

i prefer them over the Mosins

[ancient harness]

I haven't played with that faction for like more than a year

[novel geyser]

people downplay the british weapons too much
bren might be one of the best MGs in the game if you can deal with the top loaded mag being a bit obstructive

[prisma fiber]

Yes the British guns are genuinely good

[leaden fiber]

and I am going to say something very unpopular

i like them more than the fing kar98

[prisma fiber]

30 rds of wiping out your squad from 200m away with no tracers to betray my location

[leaden fiber]

i hate the kar98

i realize that's a ME problem and not a kar98 problem

[novel geyser]

plus you can aim without needing to bipod and the recoil is very low

[prisma fiber]

Soviet M38 best rifle in the game

[leaden fiber]

but i cannot hit ANYTHING with the k98 under 100m

[mellow knoll]

The fact that a Vietnam game gets mortars but a ww2 one doesn’t is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

[amber nexus]

It would be nice to see but in Vietnam they didn’t have artillery like ww2 it wasn’t as common during ww2 either

[leaden fiber]

i miss EVERY TIME

[novel geyser]

kar98k is fine, like I keep saying its pointlessly slow in HLL and could be faster

[past vortex]

its cheap, easy to get for 15 bucks
when you wait it even goes below 10

[prisma fiber]

Panic attacks on your end

[novel geyser]

the lee enfields should defintiely be the fastest bolt actions tho, that plus 10 round mags I think would fill the void of no semi autos

[ancient harness]

I like bolt actions. I think they could have more popularity. That's why I'd like early war maps

[icy panther]

not really a great business plan when the game is bleeding players and you want to recoup your investment

[leaden fiber]

i have no problem killing ppl from far or close in with the mosins and brit bolts

[novel geyser]

British loadouts also are much better balanced I think, the grenadier for assault for brits gets a bolt action while every other faction that loadout is a literal straight upgrade to the standard loadout

[past vortex]

its normal, game is clearly at end of life

[novel geyser]

brits get way more bolt actions that the other factions and I think the others should follow in their footsteps
though US obviously get the m1 garand advantage

[prisma fiber]

Why does the Soviet arty support player get the old-ass 1891 variant of the Mosin in the tank? 😄

[finite berry]

Same here

[icy panther]

I had the game wishlisted for 3 years and once it raised to $50, at end of life for some reason as you say, it only went under $30 once - and I bought it

[tacit elm]

I hate how most of the classes seemingly have no impact on the game all that much

[lucid tusk]

Cause BM were dumb and put it in the game and T17 don't have the stones to remove it

[novel geyser]

idk they must have remembered it was in the game since its was only on the default rifleman loadout lol
that gun honestly should just get removed its terrible

[icy panther]

they bought an EOL game with a declining playerbase, and increased the price, I'm not sure how that's defensible

[past vortex]

t17 sells to many platforms, you can get a steam key elsewere (and no im not talking about ilegit stuff)

[leaden fiber]

it wasn't EOL when they bought it

they just paid too much for it

[novel geyser]

I dont think anyone would miss it, if the m38 is objectively one of the best bolt actions in the game
the 1891 is hands down the worst

[leaden fiber]

and we've all been paying the price for that decision since

[icy panther]

it wasn't rasied to $50 when they bought it, to be fair

[mellow knoll]

Can someone tell me a genuine reason why Mortars aren’t possible in the original HLL but it is in the new Vietnam one? It makes little to no sense to me.

The fact that the Vietnam game is getting it just speaks volumes. There’s no excuse as to why it isn’t possible in the original.

[icy panther]

but shortly afterward

[leaden fiber]

i dont recall the price history of this game honestly, because ive owned it ever since late 2019

but i do know its been on sale for 30 USD many many many times

[prisma fiber]

No, I mean the M38 short Mosin is already in the game yet T17 gave the 3 classes all the long rifles except the most appropriate one

[leaden fiber]

and sometimes even below 20 during big sales

[lucid tusk]

The 1891/30 was the most issued rifle in the soviet arsenal during WW2 and the basic soviet Rifleman gets a hand me down relic from the first world war

[lucid tusk]

Yeah I'm agreeing with you

[prisma fiber]

Yeah it's odd

I want to see the M38 more

[novel geyser]

oh they are 100% possible in the ww2 game T17 are just a bit silly
I wouldnt be surprised if they do end up adding them anyways so we just get more artillery lol

[prisma fiber]

Just made it: https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1448346998288945163

[dusty bolt]

Hello chat

[icy panther]

I do think the Bren is basically a tradeoff STG, bigger mag and a bipod, but awful ironsights

[leaden fiber]

i feel sorry for the ppl just discovering HLL for the first time now

finding this fun game

[prisma fiber]

Bren sights are fine

[leaden fiber]

that's bleeding players

[lucid tusk]

Rework SPAs into assault guns, add mortars, take away HQ arty, i don't care if people whine

[novel geyser]

the sights themself are fine its the big mag thats the issue

[icy panther]

they're accurate, but they're not fine

[prisma fiber]

Not that much of an issue

[lucid tusk]

Just don't look right

[prisma fiber]

It's a long-range weapon

[leaden fiber]

it used to be WORSE when the brit update first happened

[novel geyser]

oh trust me I remember

[icy panther]

I wouldn't change them, but visibility when ADS is atrocious

[leaden fiber]

it was unusable! lol

[novel geyser]

no bipod for the bren, the sights were tighter and the weapon sway fsr was extra strong

[prisma fiber]

They released the Bren with no functional bipod btw 😄

[novel geyser]

literally could aim when moving

[leaden fiber]

:<

[prisma fiber]

Didnt they have a Bren/Satchel kit?

Assault I think

[leaden fiber]

<BAR>

[prisma fiber]

BAR didnt have a visual bipod, Bren did

[novel geyser]

I will still die on the hill that the BAR should only have a bipod on the machine gunner role

and the FG42 should be moved to machine gunner too

and that automatic rifleman should probably just be removed tbh

[leaden fiber]

when i first started playing this game, my first big WOW moment was with the BAR on SMDM spawn camping a garry

which i didnt realize i was doing

i just kept seeing inf running in a line in a break in some bushes next to the road at Gardens on SMDM

and kept pumping lead into the break

[novel geyser]

HLL really is that spongebob crabby patty made from grey sludge

[full sky]

@fluid pawn in your Telegram you are adressing the hotfix for console. Did you know what is with the Pc version are we able to get a working game again? Or did we have to wait for another Hotfix ?

[leaden fiber]

the PC game is working

what specific issue have you been having?

outside of a couple of UE4 crashes, ive been seeding every day for several hours since the last update and mostly been fine

[mellow knoll]

Fun broken game yes lol

[mellow knoll]

It’s that simple lmao

I don’t understand how it’s so hard.

[full sky]

Sadly Not. Massiv Rubberbanding and a full list of Bugs and Reports you can Read in this Thread

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1447327266064306279

[mellow knoll]

I really wish they’d have done it properly then I wouldn’t have anything to complain about

[leaden fiber]

the thing is, not everyone is experiencing all of these. it's not like post u18 when we couldn't play the game for 2 weeks

or like ps5 where the LOD is broken beyond 20m

[steep gale]

The only thing broken now is what they did with AT and giving them 3 rockets...

[full sky]

there i was lucky and without Problems now its mainly the Vehicles but i talk with a lot People who arent able to play with all these bugs 😄

[leaden fiber]

as far as rubberbanding goes, ive seen it yeah but only in a few matches where it was kinda bad

[icy panther]

the U18 issues also didn't affect everybody, I know plenty of people that said the same thing, u18 was fine and they were playing as normal

[novel geyser]

regarding AT buffs, where is the AT rifle buff, like atleast give it less drop off or something idk
either that or give us weapon sighting

[leaden fiber]

the tanker has entered the chat!

[split lynx]

I just unlocked mg42. Is mg42 better or Mg 32?

[vital crystal]

Any update on when these damn graphics are going to be fixed? It’s just unplayable right now

[leaden fiber]

by far.

[novel geyser]

42 is definitely better but they are both similar

[split lynx]

Tysm, but 32 has like 4 more mags…

[novel geyser]

you wont run out

[leaden fiber]

the mg42 is a laser rifle compared to the 34

[split lynx]

Oh wow tysm

[full sky]

Last Sunday at 8pm German Time the ECL and Comp Friendly Matches are all broken and on Monday 8pm German Time the Mondaze Event was so laggy that the Game has had overtime of 30min

[split lynx]

Alright!

[novel geyser]

the mg42 has like 250 rounds I think, stuffed in that little 50 round drum

[past vortex]

8 better

[split lynx]

I had the most fun game today, I was in a soviet map and playing defensive with a machine gun on a rooftop. It was insane

[ancient harness]

Some people prefer the slower fire rate. But in general terms there are not many reasons for why you wouldn't choose the MG-42

[full sky]

When you are able to play the Mg 42 do it its a beast and a Laserpointer i love this gun and you can go absolutly WIld with it

[split lynx]

Alright tysm everyone

[novel geyser]

just wait till you get MG on omaha or utah US offensive

[split lynx]

?

[leaden fiber]

the way to use the mg42 is short 'spit' bursts unless you are using it mainly to supress. you'll likely get headshot before you run out of ammo. once you open up with it, everyone in 100m knows where you are

[split lynx]

Oh wow-

[past vortex]

42-34

[split lynx]

😭😭😭

[leaden fiber]

lol awesome. yeah people tend to never look up in this game. 90% of the OMG CHEATERS claims happen because someone was smart enough to grab elevation

[split lynx]

I’ve been getting around 15 kills a game, after maybe 100 hours of gameplay. What is the average per game?

[winged wraith]

Have they fixed the Stuart yet?

[broken shoal]

When are they gonna releasw the minimum requirementa for Vietnam?

[full sky]

as Mg?

[novel geyser]

Average I'd guess and say like 30 on a good day

[split lynx]

lol 😭, high ground and machine gun is op fr

[novel geyser]

for MG if you get a real good spot you can get a lot more than 30

[split lynx]

Oh wow that’s cool

[leaden fiber]

there really isn't an average , and I would encourage you to NOT think about the game in terms of kill counts.

[split lynx]

More about teamwork? And objective?

[leaden fiber]

yes

[novel geyser]

I got like 60 kills with an MG42 on Kharkov in a very short ammount of time when joining a match late

[full sky]

AS Mg average is 60 but in some Rounds with the right spot you can go ver 100+

[vital crystal]

Depends on the player. You eventually learn the maps and all the hit spots and you will be dropping 50 consistently

[split lynx]

Woah-

[broken shoal]

Kills doesnt matter when the enemy still have all his 8 garrisons

[split lynx]

Ahh I rly gtg, tysm everyone 🥹

[broken shoal]

That is why i get mad when the team recon is not taking garrisons down and is frontal attacking

[leaden fiber]

killing dudes is fun, but the objective is to take or hold territory, and keep the enemy from spawning.

[ancient harness]

Machine gunners would be key for that actually. But most don't play as they should

[full sky]

But that needs a lot of Time the right settings and you must know the Spots and a lot of Map Knowledge. SO dont fell sad when you´r not there and keep Grinding 🙂 the first 1000h of Hell are the Tutorial 😄

[leaden fiber]

its sometimes better to pass up on the kills if it would reveal your position, and observe where the enemy is coming from or where they are going and cutting them off or getting their spawn

[leaden fiber]

imagine having 8 garrisons :<

[full sky]

NOOOOO 😄 You Play Mg not for the Kills you play it to keep you Area Clear when someone is running kill him when you see a Gary ping it and farm it as long as you can before your Team will destroy it 😄

[mellow knoll]

Should have me as a commander. You’d get 8 garries and 2 half tracks guaranteed.

Until recon gets annoying lol

[main harness]

Lots of nice recycled assets and animations in the Vietnam trailer. 🔥 🔥 🔥

[broken shoal]

Would be impossible for an enemy to entwr a point if all squad mschine gunners are inside while tje rest are attacking but thst only happens in my dr3ams

[leaden fiber]

it's impossible to have MGs covering all points of entry on most strong points

[novel geyser]

defending the point?
best I can do for you is one garrison placed right on the strong point and no backups and all infantry players attacking

[leaden fiber]

MGs better used around the field where they have good lines of sight or to suppress spawns

[full sky]

YOu need booth you need 3-4 Mg Players and the rest should be pushing and defending

[leaden fiber]

gotta press W to win bro

unless you are playing offensive, its a bad idea to have too many ppl defending from inside a strong point anyways

[novel geyser]

all about that map control init

even on offensive its good to spread out

cover as much ground to buy yourself more time

[leaden fiber]

if you dont fan out and control the cap sector and rid it of spawns, you'll just get surrounded, can't get out, and you will eventually lose it when tanks start HEing all the buildings and arty comes down along with a BR

but most of you here already know this, more for the new guys

the biggest losing combo in this game is people turtling on defense and respawning over and over in the strong point. enemy takes out your backup garries and then you have nowhere else to spawn on defense to break out of it

second biggest being everyone attacking lol

map control first, attack second

[split lynx]

1k hour is diabolical 😭

[thin lotus]

Theres very little reason to be in a strong point if you’ve got the sector occupied

[novel geyser]

big reason I think warfare is a terrible mode for casual
unless command has tight control on the squad leaders and squad leaders have tight control on their own squad everyone just ends up way too spread out and trying to attack
no one wants to defend a point when no one is attacking it, but as soon as one team lowers their defenses it just takes one guy to run through the back lines and destroy garrisons and flip the match on its head

[prisma fiber]

Im at 4500

[zinc berry]

I'd watch the new trailer but I'm afraid it will crash my computer.

[split lynx]

Let me ask you a question. What is grass?

[thin lotus]

Anyone still placing a Garry or OPs within an SP is also telling how little they know, and their lack of foresight

[split lynx]

What color is the sky

[midnight salmon]

skybox you mean?

[split lynx]

…

[main harness]

Any devs or community managers want to come play in a tank for a few rounds in pubs? @fluid pawn I'll even get you VIP.

[fluid pawn]

What time? Got a gym session booked in 35 mins for an hour however could be free after that

[main harness]

Any time. I can make myself free just for you

[brave turtle]

👀

When the CM plays the game more than the devs💀

[bronze vine]

hey guys .. i need a teammate of a friend to play with

europe

[ancient harness]

#pc-looking-for-unit

[bronze vine]

add me

[cedar ore]

Pretty common tbf

[ancient harness]

I play on console and I am not currently looking for anyone to play with. Ask in #pc-looking-for-unit

[cedar ore]

I mean if I’m a dev for a game, I don’t exactly fancy playing it LOADS lol

[bronze vine]

ah i see

[leaden fiber]

i dont think commanders really need tight control on their squad leaders - imo if the SLs are relying on the Commander for directions your game is in a bad state. SLs absolutely need control on the squads, though

its the commander's job to use resources and build backup garries. SLs have access to all the same info commanders do

[cosmic pilot]

Commander needs tight control of SLs

[leaden fiber]

SL is the real 'commanding' role of this game

[novel geyser]

commander helps orginise and make sure the squads are where they should be

[leaden fiber]

too many people play commander in this game like they are the ones giving the orders and that means a game rests on one guy

[patent iris]

Warfare is the best mode. May the best team win. Offensive is for plebs

[leaden fiber]

that's not how this game should be played

[novel geyser]

nah Warfare is glorified king of the hill

[patent iris]

False

[novel geyser]

offensive works for casual because theres no mistaking what your team has to do

[leaden fiber]

the commander is a support role

[novel geyser]

not false your team will win if the timer runs out and you hold the middle point

the entire match in theory is total filler if you dont take the HQ

[cosmic pilot]

Hll you can mostly get away with hive mentality.
But, you cannot have a cohesive strategy without a commander.

[leaden fiber]

command uses resources to support his SLs in the field

SLs are the ones that make everything happen

[patent iris]

Offensive is for small minded people who can’t read a map or react

[nova pivot]

Fr

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[novel geyser]

well thats why its better for casual lol

[leaden fiber]

you dont need the commander to provide the cohesion, though. The SLs can do that themselves

there's not much to this game strat-wise

[cosmic pilot]

They can't, by definition.

[nova pivot]

Being casual means not having basic situational awareness?

[novel geyser]

no im saying most people in casual lack basic situational awareness

[cosmic pilot]

That being said, hive mind is mostly adequate for playing the game

[novel geyser]

offensive also sucks it has its issues, I think the premise of warfare is good it just needs some improvements, the same as offensive

[leaden fiber]

yes they can. They have access to all the same info on the map, they have access to the same communication channel that the commander does

the commander calls in resources to facilitate all that

[novel geyser]

offensive is good for casual because it doesnt require as much tight communication and tactics, you cant always get that in a pub match

[cosmic pilot]

Anything more complicated that move in a b line to the strong point is impossible without a commander

[novel geyser]

offensive matches in casual are far more consistent than warfare

[leaden fiber]

sorry @nova pivot the chat moved. replied to the wrong comment

[desert ledge]

Hi Ben, can you please confirm whether the graphical changes to Hill 400 are a bug or intentional. The textures on the terrain and all foliage were removed.

[nova pivot]

🤣

It's okay

[leaden fiber]

what can the commander do that the SLs can't? Asides from managing resources. that's really all the commander has to do. He doesn't have to be THE ONE that comes up with the game plan

as long as SLs are doing what they are supposed to do

and its not like the commander can FORCE SLs who are f'ing around to not f around

[cosmic pilot]

Because he doesn't have to manage a squad, his mental bandwidth is free to keep track of the bigger picture.

If he is the one in charge he doesn't have to consider anyone else's plans other than his own

[leaden fiber]

but the SLs can do that. and there's no guarantee that the SLs will even listen to hte commander

[cosmic pilot]

Allowing him to have a cohesive vision for how to manage momentum

[leaden fiber]

what you are describing is the "Commander issues commands" understanding of how the command role works I was talking about earlier. Which puts the success or failure of the game on ONE player on each team

[cosmic pilot]

A Single SL only has an impact in one specific area when he makes a decision.
The commander can influence the whole map

[leaden fiber]

the commander has map influence via resource management

not because he tells ppl what to do, because those people might not even do it

or some might just ignore him straight up

[cosmic pilot]

There's 3 parts to success.
Good commander
Good SL.
Being able to effing shoot the enemy

If you're missing the last one you cannot win

Regardless

[leaden fiber]

a good commander doesn't have to put together the strategy

a good commander uses resources wisely and keeps garries up

[prisma fiber]

Cashier commander model = lame

[cosmic pilot]

This is true, but one that does put together the strategy will beat the one who doesn't all else is eaual

[prisma fiber]

Command

[broken shoal]

The vietnam side is getting woman soldiers right?

[cosmic pilot]

Like I said, hive mind is mostly adequate

Shut it chum

[slate canopy]

But I wanna be a manly man 🥺

[thin lotus]

If SLs are relying on the commanders word to figure out what needs to be done, that team is a failure and deserves to lose

[leaden fiber]

as long as your SLs are talking to each other in command chat they can work it out. You don't need the commander to tell you to get back on defense. you don't need the commander to order you around. Especially when the commander has no mechanism to even ensure compliance. He can't assign squads to do things or impose his will

[cosmic pilot]

Imagine the scenario, where you're down to your last garrison, and your whole team decides to spawn off the red garrison. If you're a submissive commander you can only watch like the ck that you are.

[thin lotus]

“What do we need to do?” SLs, are the worst players

[past veldt]

But Sir, we have no one defending. Who is defending, Sir?

[prisma fiber]

If they aren't, the commander needs to manage them

And every match for greater coordination and strategy the commander absolutely should be commanding

[past veldt]

Sir please assign someone to defend

[leaden fiber]

this isn't strategy, though. this is common game sense you are talking about

[prisma fiber]

I'll take it over non-communicating letter moving about my map

[leaden fiber]

and even if I, as the commander, shout at everyone to get back on defense, i have no way of making that actually happen. its all up to the SLs

..unless i take down the red garrry lol

[past veldt]

I've not lost a match this year as commander, exclusively comp matches and mixed events.

My instructions for mixed events are 'go to cap sector'.

I've seen commanders on the other team provide full action plans, and they still lose to the most base mechanic in capturing the point

[thin lotus]

Hll players will say communication is the most important aspect, while at the same time be unable to look at the map and see what gaps there are or be able to do something as simple as hitting their targets.

[cosmic pilot]

If you're team is cracked shooters it outweighs anything the commander can do

[inland quail]

The worst part of the game as a new player is all the quiet muted SLs I have and the rest of the team. The best part is when my SL talks and strategizes along with other experienced ppl on our squad. The game really is 95% disorganization and rage inducing and 5% fun when we work as a unit.

[past veldt]

Mixed events are... Mixed... It's generally supposed to be balanced

[leaden fiber]

there's very little room for commanders to implement grand strategy in this game. Strategy on the commanders part really just stems from using resources, like timing the airhead and bombing run

[cosmic pilot]

Sure /s

[leaden fiber]

the strategy in this game is basically just "map control. hit enemy on attack from more than one spot. Redeploy to hot garrisons to defend"

[past veldt]

To be fair, most commanders use resources terribly. Even players at the top end of the skill level.

[leaden fiber]

and your SLs can execute that. i don't need an action plan from a commander.

[prisma fiber]

Youi're overthinking it

Assigning squads to specific tasks is important. Most SLs know what needs to be done but the "who" is important

[thin lotus]

If you have to depend on someone else telling you what needs to be done in this game, you’ve already lost.

You look at the map, and you physically go to the point that needs it. It is that simple. All this micromanagement in between is just noise

[cosmic pilot]

No one said you need an action plan.

I just said it's better if the commander has one

[prisma fiber]

Yeah if an SL asks you what you need you might as well uninstall 🤡

[ancient harness]

Another six billion medium tanks for solo tankers please

[leaden fiber]

Squads can do that on their own though. the commander doesn't HAVE to tell them

"we need someone on defense"

"fox will do it, we'll go back"

[prisma fiber]

We're playing with the general public here

[prisma fiber]

-rare quote

[past veldt]

Not even that. But like, Strafing and bombing runs are absolutely useless in 99% of situations

Yet they're used all the time

[leaden fiber]

the general public is even LESS likely to listen to a commander

[prisma fiber]

So thje argument is if your team doesnt do everything they're supposed to do, dont bother helping them

[leaden fiber]

that's not what i said at all

[prisma fiber]

I swear the absolute most braindead players are still in here

[past veldt]

When I'm playing an event, I float loads of resources, usually. I'll quite happily spam out supplies while sitting on 1000 munitions rather than use any abilities on cooldown

[leaden fiber]

my whole time arguing this has been that the commander doesn't have to be the one responsible for strategizing, his main job is managing resources and building defensive garries. it's a support role to the squad leads

[past veldt]

Just delete garrisons outside of cap sector and you'll win pub games

[prisma fiber]

Bad commanders maybe

[prisma fiber]

Oh man I will delete every single blueberry generator

If the tank squad is mute or a bunch of very low levels they will not get a heavy

[leaden fiber]

the squad leads have all of the information the commander does, they talk to each other just as the commander does, in fact they have MORE info available to them because they also talk to their squads and can see their marks

[prisma fiber]

"What is a chain of command?"

[leaden fiber]

this isn't real life, its a game

[prisma fiber]

This guy plays cashier commander

[leaden fiber]

the chain of command means nothing

because there's no mechanism to ENFORCE it

[prisma fiber]

I have a gun

[leaden fiber]

yeah, and if you TK on a community server your a** is getting banned

[prisma fiber]

lmao

[leaden fiber]

SLs have an enforcement mechanism

they can kick ppl from their squad

the commander cant kick anyone

[prisma fiber]

Solid reason for not telling your team what to do 🧠

[leaden fiber]

also, a Cashier Commander just gives everyone what they want. A commander who is managing resources effectively does not

[cosmic pilot]

SLs cooperating directly with other SLs to achieve a common goal is very difficult.

SL a needs to communicate the goal and how to achieve that goal and any steps in between to SL b is not impossible but takes a lot of bandwidth.
Having a level up to control both sla and slb is more efficient

If you want to have 3 SLs achieving one goal while doing three separate things it gets even more complicated

[leaden fiber]

players are too stuck into this sort of roleplay where the commander is the one you look to for leadership

[prisma fiber]

Im so glad the new arty squads can build nodes, perfect crew to handle it at match start

[leaden fiber]

imagine putting it on the shoulders of IFACKEDURMOM34 who is a level 58 player who jumped into the command chair

[thin lotus]

Commander, can I shoot this enemy in front of me

[prisma fiber]

You're a backseat driver aint ya?

[fringe hollow]

Command chat is the leadership. All SLs and commander should work together to form a rough plan or at least an idea and then squad level works on the actual "how to do it"

in an ideal world at least

[cosmic pilot]

All I'm doing is describing basic military fact.

[leaden fiber]

yeah and this isn't the military

its not a job

its a video game

the worst commanders are the ones that think they are the boss and are barking orders at everyone who may or may not follow them

[fringe hollow]

it's a game meant to represent war and the specific game has tactical aspect that require teamwork else you get 50 flailing goofballs

It shouldn't be military levels of strict but there should still be some level of structure to have the most fun and make the game go smoothly

[cosmic pilot]

And people wanna be like "hurr but you don't need a commander"

[thin lotus]

You place a spawnpoint near whatever point you want to take, then blob in as a team to take it.

It’s not that deep

[leaden fiber]

its a much better time for everyone if the commander manages resources, builds garries, updates marks when he can, and lets squads do their thing. SLs should work out amongst themselves who is doing what

[fringe hollow]

Blob crosses a field, set up defense mows it down

Bad defense gets blobbed and isn't fun

[leaden fiber]

this is a game, and it should be fun and people should just be allowed to play and not have some middle manager dude micromanaging

like i said before. people approach the commander role like its a job or like its real life when its a video game

[fringe hollow]

I see fun in working toward winning with other people who also want to work toward it together. I only have a problem when every single person wants to Rambo their way through it all

[leaden fiber]

you people sure like putting words in other's mouths when you are losing an argument

[fringe hollow]

if you want to One Man Army, this really isn't the game unless you catch everyone unaware

[leaden fiber]

the commander is neccessary to manage resources and build garries

he's not necessary to come up with the plan to win the game.

[thin lotus]

Most of those who advocate that “teamwork is everything!” in hll don’t realize that this “teamwork” really just means simply being in proximity of teammates and blobbing into whatever point you want to take or hold. The micromanagement in between is just noise

[leaden fiber]

the command chat as a whole should be doing that

[fringe hollow]

Command can only build garrisons well if the team defends him well enough and has map control

[inland quail]

If Commander is this easy I will jump on it with just about 9 days of experience.

[fringe hollow]

sadly that doesnt translate to pubs

[leaden fiber]

it really IS easier than people think

[fringe hollow]

Command is easy if you have smart SLs. Without any other smart person, you're just herding cats after you sprayed them with water

[cosmic pilot]

And people wanna be like "hurr but you don't need a commander"

[inland quail]

I see mostly unorganized squads most of the time. That is why i'm looking for a clan. Too much variance playing with randoms

[fringe hollow]

Never seen or heard someone say we don't need one. Everyone moans about not having one but no one steps up because command chat isn't being helpful

[novel geyser]

british still clip inside each other in the transport truck even after all this time

[fringe hollow]

No one wants to be command because everyone shoves all responsibility on them instead of realizing SL is also leadership and not just "I have my own spawn point yay"

[leaden fiber]

sounds lewd

[novel geyser]

its freakish body horror

[fringe hollow]

Yeah I wanna get inside another british man

[novel geyser]

so maybe lewd if ur into that stuff ig

[broken shoal]

Me when im a commander and a squad leader doesnt talk

https://tenor.com/view/mlada-mlada-horakova-ww2-czech-execution-gif-20276281

[fringe hollow]

I only get upset if the SL is clearly just playing as normal infantry instead of doing SL things. Especially if I ask him to get a garrison and it's dead silent but 20 minutes later he's yelling at me for not building 14 new garrisons in 10 seconds

all while they ignore them and don't defend

[nova pivot]

Is like herding cats

[nova pivot]

They're too refined to sit on the floor, breaking the laws of physics is better.

[broken shoal]

Honestly most people dont even check the map when they play lol

[split lynx]

Is it just me or does British weapons have the worst sights ever? British army is so hard to use compared to anything else

[dusty bolt]

Wow. Are you cheating on me

[pale vapor]

idk what it is about the new map but it feels pretty bad. It feels like its on rails. Like an on rail shooter

[livid verge]

The best usage of AR is for flanking and scoutingoperations in enemy teretory

[novel geyser]

they arent that bad once you get used to them

lewis gun I dont even touch that one is just bad

Bren is a beast if you can get around the vision blocking mag

[split lynx]

lol, historically it was good tho? Or? Idk

[novel geyser]

British weapons were definitely good irl

[fringe hollow]

Try pressing a different button than W. You don't need to follow the lanes they created

[novel geyser]

weapon sights work differently irl than in a game because the human eye works differently when looking through physical objects to something on a screen
sights like the m1 garand's have a much smaller hole irl, they are widened in games for better visibility since they dont work the same on a screen than in person

[fringe hollow]

sorry, forward on the stick* since you don't have a W on xbox

[main harness]

Yes. Give Ben VIP on glows tho

[hazy owl]

I want VIP everywhere too

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/nevetailflyingoutofbritishjeepsadshit-hll-jeep-funny-gif-13082520119262468915

[livid verge]

why is EVERY server on my list >500ms

rethoric question

German wifi

[past vortex]

had that once, it went away after a few refreshs

[past vortex]

lol concept mixup

[brittle iris]

bratha

send him 2-3 year dagestan and forget

[atomic pendant]

British sniper and the SMLE are great

[split lynx]

Never tried the British sniper

[fleet jacinth]

Couldn't give a sh*t about vietnam, fix the ww2 game please.

[split lynx]

Agreed

[cosmic pilot]

Local man gives his opinion despite no one asking for it.
Many such cases

[prisma fiber]

English faction has the best firearms/kits on average

[earnest stirrup]

genuine lol at the mortar reveal

[woven spruce]

This game is so boring I spawn in die straight away to some guy laying down. Mid game for old people

[fringe hollow]

It's called a learning curve. Try boot camp section if you're lost. Show's pretty cool mechanics you might not know

[tacit elm]

Might not wanna rush in immediately

Hell Let Loose is essentially call of duty if you play it right

[woven spruce]

Really??????

No way didn't think of that

[tacit elm]

Yes

[novel geyser]

I think the biggest problem with the british is they get more bolt action loadouts than the other factions
which I think is actually a good thing and other factions should do the same

[tacit elm]

Let me send you a video in DMs rq just to provide an example

[prisma fiber]

lmao

[prisma fiber]

FBI has been alterted to your location

[nova pivot]

Fact

The PIAT is broken

The SMLE is broken too

The bren is a ugly stg and the Thompson is solid

[nova pivot]

For that reason North Africa is the most balanced + historically accurate front

[novel geyser]

yep
though the DAK could definitely do with some g41s I think at least

and AT should get some tweaks, remove the PIAT and Panzerschrek and add the panzerbusche and some AT grenades

[ancient harness]

For real man

Did they think we would jump for joy with that

Feels like a joke

[earnest stirrup]

sent one intern to produce 4 new vehicle models and kludged the artillery projectile system onto the side instead of making 1 working mortar model and giving it to all factions

[leaden fiber]

take an artillery squad and use it like recon. thank me later

[thorn parrot]

not played the game loads, maybe 10 hours, but last time I played, the game had just become free on gamepass and 70% of the lobbies were just awful gampeass kids which kinda put me offthe game

I assume its betternow?

was wanting to get back into it

[leaden fiber]

well,all the gamepass kids are gone.

unfortunately, so are most of the PC players

[thorn parrot]

is it pretty dead?

[leaden fiber]

it isn't dead, but some community servers are having a hard time filling up now when they didn't used to

[thorn parrot]

ah I get you. Will probably redownload and hop back in

how easy it to findpeople whowill talk to you too?

Iremember enjoying the social aspect, only not many peopleever spoke in game

[ancient harness]

It's still on Gamepass

[calm wolf]

still on gamepass

[split lynx]

Yay I just got my first 30 kill game with the m1 carbine

[ocean sage]

How do the devs manage to break so much stuff whenever they update the game

what's going on there

[empty steppe]

@worthy charm should I go answer questions from like 5 years ago again

[worthy charm]

I will stick a torpedo up your a**
Would I never say

[empty steppe]

I’ll take that as a yes

[haughty geode]

This would be cool indeed

[empty steppe]

I agree

[thin lotus]

6 years ago lmaoooo

[empty steppe]

Definitely coming took a while

Yep probably coming soon

@worthy charm Okay I’m done now

Back to the abyss

https://tenor.com/bFH99.gif

[worthy charm]

Into the shadow realm your soul goes

[empty steppe]

Wait

One more

https://tenor.com/KoqH.gif

Okay now I’m satisfied

[nova pivot]

These guys aren't even in the server anymore

😭

Digital archaeology

[strange belfry]

Can they drop this now? Freezing my buns off in Foy.

[analog apex]

not anymore ofc. 😄

different dev team, different false promises 😏

[thin lotus]

2026
Big year
Huge, even

[empty steppe]

Some would say massive

[thin lotus]

Enormous, too

[analog apex]

I thought that was supposed to be 2025... or 2024 even? 😄

[thin lotus]

They should shoot for a mid
November release

[river rover]

I have no idea when they drop. What was the date on that. Give you idea most likely. 🙁

[thin lotus]

Vietnam that is.
Nothing going on mid November

2026

[analog apex]

about HLL:Vietnam trailer... I saw mortars, dragging - both things that were supposed to be in HLL too long time ago. I guess we'll never get them. 🙁

[nova pivot]

Humongous?

[thin lotus]

Colossal

[analog apex]

just colossal stability & performance problems so far 🫤

and enormous bugs

[thin lotus]

Herculean, even

Monstrous, perhaps

Cosmic, if you may

[nova pivot]

Unintelligible one could say

[thin lotus]

A lot of people are saying monumental

[nova pivot]

I have heard immense too

[thin lotus]

Many would agree whopping

[nova pivot]

XL might be appropriate

[strange belfry]

12/26/2024 :/

[river rover]

So it may be around same time frame. 😉

[gentle lintel]

Stop winking at me

(On behalf of Ben)

[river rover]

That actually wasn't Ben. 😛

[gentle lintel]

He wanted me to tell you. That’s all

(Kidding)

[river rover]

It was actually the Big G that said it.

[tropic light]

What about zany face?

@nocturne birch

[gentle lintel]

I’m going to say no

[tropic light]

[nocturne birch]

thank you

[smoky void]

Any testing spots available for HLL Vietnam?

[tropic light]

You’ll have to message @main harness about that

[nocturne birch]

when is horse being added to the game?

[tight trout]

vietnam new footage looks amazing

[smoky void]

thank you!!

[river rover]

ℹ️ AMD GPU Adrenelin Driver 25.12.1 WHQLℹ️
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-25-12-1.html

[pale vapor]

It looks like vietnam got this washed out filter placed on top of it

needs dark greens and contrast it looks bright washed out and like some filter yellow filter on it

[past vortex]

looks like a blurfest

[iron patrol]

So we going to get ticket system and more emphasis on medics in Vietnam?

[thin lotus]

teleports behind you in Vietnam

[iron patrol]

bright is good RS2 vietnam was bright and it catched the atmosphere very well

[past vortex]

but this time it has a valid explaination!

[thin lotus]

wow that makes it so much better and fun!

[past vortex]

ikr

[vital narwhal]

Does anyone know how to refill the artillery gun? I can’t figure it out.

[wispy storm]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hy-hey-gif-8520159980767013609

[wispy storm]

Its a bug

[gray lagoon]

No it isn't a bug, you have to ask the commander to do it for you. He has an ability that refills it.

[vital narwhal]

Oh

None of the commanders know how. What should I tell em

[wispy storm]

Oh ok. Didnt know…

[gray lagoon]

It will be to the right of their map in the munitions section of their orders

[vital narwhal]

Ok thanks

[gray lagoon]

Do you need a screenshot of where it is or did your commander find it

[pale vapor]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-whILUPUHMc&pp=ygUYSGVsbGxldGxvb3NlIGtpY2tzdGFydGVy

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/blackmatter/hell-let-loose?ref=discovery
*This is a simulation of war... not an arcade arena shooter. *

Where has the simulation of war gone?

[thin lotus]

how can it be gone when it was never there?

[past vortex]

the real simulation was the friends we made along the way

[hazy owl]

Are they just building old school Battlefield game in HLL setting? I'd take that

[cosmic pilot]

you mean the enemies

[civic dawn]

Take this little hotfix... And look our great amazing new (dlc) game!! 🤑🤑 ... and plz stfu I already said we will improve our old game! But have you seen the game trailer?

https://tenor.com/view/pau-gif-12327059536440305198

[modest agate]

I’m getting on in a bit I’m on Xbox is it playable or is it just Smolensk with the main issues

[timid rampart]

2017 was almost 9 years ago... thats insane

[vague thunder]

Freaks me out a bit

[pale vapor]

i remember watchin that kickstarter when it first came out on youtube & being hyped for a realistic ww2 shooter

[gleaming sundial]

It was always advertised to be a true war simulation of ww2

[sharp zephyr]

Anyone else getting network error when connecting to online services? -.-

[lofty pilot]

Hello there

[bold plank]

Hi there

I am playing HLL on Linux and I was wondering if anybody heared if HLL Vietnam will also work on Linux. Unfortunately there was nothing in the FAQ about it

[split lynx]

how much is hell let loose vietnamn going to be?

if its under 40 ill probably get it

[bold plank]

you mean the price? No clue

[split lynx]

oh i see, tysm, chat gpt said 99 dollars wtf

or 50

but not confirmed

[delicate mortar]

The more important question would be :
Will HLL Vietnam work at all.
Or even :
Will HLL Vietnam.

I play on linux as well and HLL works good for my needs, except for the bugs already present on Windows but I can't do anything about that.

[finite berry]

I'm pretty sure it'll be way more than that

[split lynx]

oh wow....

i got hell let loose for free

[finite berry]

Base price for HLL is 70 €, so what makes you think their upcoming, latest game will be even cheaper lol

[split lynx]

70????? in my country its like 50

[finite berry]

€ on Steam

[split lynx]

on epic games its like 50

[finite berry]

Nevermind

70 is the ultimate edition

[split lynx]

ohh

[finite berry]

Base game is 50, yeah

[split lynx]

wait whats that-

[finite berry]

A few useless cosmetic DLCs imcluded

HLL is 50 €

[split lynx]

ohh cosmetics, whats a dlc?

[finite berry]

But again, I strongly doubt HLLV will be cheaper than that, most likely a bit more expensive

[finite berry]

Downloadable Content

Extra content you have to buy, basically

HLL only features cosmetic DLCs, tho

[split lynx]

ohh i see

no new guns or maps

[finite berry]

Correct

[split lynx]

i wish hll allows for mmore snipers lol

only 2 is so little

[finite berry]

Nah, that's good

[split lynx]

i almsot enver get it lol

[finite berry]

If it was unrestricted or if there were more, there would be too many snipers

Sniper is meant to be special

[split lynx]

i guess, but the sights on nomral guns are so ahh sometimes (Im just bad and blind) I can only play with machien gun or sniper, nothing else

[finite berry]

Sounds like a skill issue :b

[rare mauve]

Found a great spot as an MG and thankfully my enemies were blind

Got 85 and 7

[novel geyser]

In the settings you can change ads fov to the lowest on the slider and basically everything becomes a sniper

[ancient harness]

It won't

[finite berry]

It won't what?

[ancient harness]

Be cheaper

I was talking about that with my friends yesterday and one said that if the game ends up being 5-10€ he'll buy it. Poor guy

[finite berry]

Lmao

Straight up delusional

[split lynx]

ohh? you can change ads fov? thats allowed-??

[ancient harness]

Yes

It was added recently

[novel geyser]

Yep its in the game settings

[pallid anvil]

Is the hotfix going live soon?

[ancient harness]

Still a few more hours probably

It's 10 AM in the UK now

[pallid anvil]

What time in the UK is it scheduled for? I’m on PST

[ancient harness]

Usually midday or early afternoon

1-3 hours

[gaunt cedar]

Server side in 10 mins from now, game update in 40 mins

As per communication to server owners

[pallid anvil]

Amazing, thank you!

[pale vapor]

new map compared to old maps are night and day

New maps feels like on rails shooter

[pure umbra]

What did you like about old maps?

[pale vapor]

when i think vietnam i think of forrest gump movie. That color pallate would be perf

[arctic rampart]

When I think Vietnam game, I instantly think
Graphics
Foliage : Low

Blocky bushes and trees everywhere

[ancient harness]

Gonna be awful. Getting shot from everywhere except for the places your eyes can see

All semiauto/burst/automatic guns

[pale vapor]

the openess/freedom. Idk what it is with new map maybe i just need to play it more

[candid glacier]

Still blurry on play station

[royal marsh]

Has t17 acknowledged large frame loss on Smolensk?

[pallid anvil]

Still extremely blurry on Playstation

God this is so depressing

[glossy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-isolado-pensando-sad-isolated-gif-11165084073573897086

Oh man

[pallid anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-vaughn-chat-vaughn-chat-gif-1151987192661505499

[winter sandal]

Congrats t17 ben and everyone there

Amazing work

[cedar ore]

26 gb patch is crazy work

[cedar ore]

invest in ram before they skyrocket further fr

[winter sandal]

T17 - better go play basketball

💪

[pallid anvil]

Back to Where Minds Meet! Hopefully I can return to my beloved Hell Let Loose soon…💔

[winter sandal]

We want u18 back now!

[hazy owl]

HLL: Mortain basically

[pallid anvil]

Real

[winter sandal]

True

Its a joke what they doing

[cedar ore]

dare i say i enjoy mortain as a map

[crisp basin]

It almost feels like one of those situations where a company builds something up really awesome and once they get rich they just say nah f it we’ll just release whatever now that we have money. I feel scammed lol

[sturdy quarry]

so they didnt test the fix for PS5 by trying it on a PS5?

[wheat acorn]

what they have been doing for the entire week? who approved this hotfix? How can this even possible

[lime umbra]

It's been great seeing so many people enjoying our newest map, Smolensk, as well as changes to artillery, SPAs and more.

[pallid anvil]

I wish I could enjoy those new features too.

[winter sandal]

Thats right.. but I buy a good game, with good Comp community, two expensive servers. And now I have …. 💩 like this. Give me money back if you are not able to repair the game

[wheat acorn]

yep right, game is broken for ps5

[gilded spade]

These past months have been really embarrasing for T17. When will they get it

[winter sandal]

Go play battlefield. 😂

[lime umbra]

Devs are literally spitting at players faces and saying it's raining XD Idk how can you guys still trust them and believe they care about anything related to this game, other than the money they earn from the DLCs 😂

[delicate mortar]

The KV2 152mm HE has the same radius as the P3 with the 75mm 🤡

[hazy owl]

They did not build it, they bought it...
I am pretty certain BM did most of the work on British forces and those maps and the game was on life support ever since as they probably started working on HLL: Vietnam.

Jan 2022 - Team17 teamed up with Black Matter and acquired HLL
Feb 2023 - The Black Matter Team stopped working for them a year after the acquisition
May 2023 - British forces with El Alamein & Driel
Dec 2023 - Skirmish
Feb 2024 - British refresh
April 2024 - Mortain
Oct 2024 - PHL refresh
Nov 2024 - Elsenborn, dynamic wheater, freelook, VOIP
Apr 2025 - Tobruk, wheater system refresh, structures got nerfed
Oct 2025 - Stalingrad refresh, armor rework
Dec 2025 - Smolensk & SPA

[crisp basin]

Yeah I worded that terribly. I know they didnt build it lol.

[twilit citrus]

remember when we've been told years ago that HLL will get mortars?
wasn't it even on an official roadmap?

seems like they're in HLL Vietnam
why did they rework arty in such a weird way when they could have just given us mortar squads? what most people have been asking for
especially when they're working on mortar anyways
or is this now just going to become a "Vietnam exclusive"?

[lime umbra]

May 2023 was the update when stutters struck for the first time if im not mistaken xd What a coincidence

[wheat acorn]

everything what was asked for HLL is going to be implemented in HLL:V like mortars, dragging knocked down bodies, bayonets, grenade launchers etc

[twilit citrus]

which is fine but surely they can also just add that to HLL then?

why even do extra work on SPAs when they could have just focused on doing mortars, serving both games

[wheat acorn]

it's fine but that clearly shows they ve been focused on new project

I belive there are 2 diffrent studios with 2 diffrent budgets

[hazy owl]

Cool but nobody asked for Vietnam 😄 Wasn't it quite normal a long time ago that devs would simply release a Game 2, Game 3 as better and updated iteration of the previous game? People still bought it.

[lime umbra]

Yes!

[twilit citrus]

yeah the performance issues started there
I also remember how every patch from that one on came with weird bugs on maps that weren't even mentioned in the patch notes
like when the graphics on all wheat fields on maps like SME would just glitch out

[lime umbra]

This is exactly why you should never forgot to buy HLL Vietnam, that will be the game of the year 2026

[wheat acorn]

or the change of running speed which wasnt even mentioned in patch notes

[gloomy quartz]

Im gonna put in 500 orders then refund.

[lime umbra]

Yeah, each update made the game worse and worse, less fpses, more bugs, old bugs never fixed but it was playable, with all its downsides it was playable, now it's not XD

[hazy owl]

I am worried that this level of incompetency is going to push people more and more into some EU consumer protection regulations.

[gloomy quartz]

Bring back sprint speed

[twilit citrus]

and then they had to fix movement for the next like 3 patches (with stuff like sliding into prone without a cooldown)
they then spent a lot of time explaining how they completely changed the locomotion
tbh I still don't think it's actually better than what we had before all of this
I still regularly have to jump multiple times over the same fence

the most hilarious thing looking back is their original road map right when they took over, so much stuff was announced. couple of months later they reduced that roadmap to like 10% of the original one

[sturdy quarry]

imagine them sticking to a year of the war

[twilit citrus]

boring

[sturdy quarry]

poles