mess-hall

[past vortex]

not everyone is as naive as elise

[turbid plaza]

Ok HUK

Not everyone is as soft as you

[mellow knoll]

No idea what my guy is on or talking about so I’m just gonna ignore lmao

[finite berry]

No one's saying here "we want to have swastikas because they're cool", the statement is "no symbol should be censored because it's historically accurate, no matter how bad the ideology behind it is"

[past vortex]

i asure you i am not soft :D

[finite berry]

(He is)

[turbid plaza]

Did the nazi symbol hurt you?

Seems so

[past vortex]

ofc most who want that because of that
wake up

[ancient harness]

The iron cross is not even a nazi symbol. They even use it nowadays

[turbid plaza]

Do you rage quit when you get the Germans?

[past vortex]

not really

[turbid plaza]

Yes really

[finite berry]

Care to back it up with something aside from "trust me, bro"?

[past vortex]

common sense

[finite berry]

So you don't have anything to back it up, got it

[mellow knoll]

What you’re spouting is definitely not common sense lmao

[ancient harness]

It's literally the symbol of the German Bundeswehr. It's their air force roundel and it's also present on their tanks. It's originally a Prussian symbol

[finite berry]

Mf is probably only rage baiting anyway

[past vortex]

not everyone pretends that utopia happens like elise

[finite berry]

Don't feed the troll and move on

[past vortex]

yk i am not

[turbid plaza]

The Iron Cross is literally the embkem of the Bundeswehr

This guy knows nothing

[harsh egret]

The Iron Cross was adopted by the German Empire in the 1800s, and it was derived from the symbol of the teutonic knights from the 13th century. It has very little to do with Nazis in reality.

[mellow knoll]

Same with 90% of Nazi imagery ironically

[harsh egret]

That's what happens when bad actors ruin things though.

[past vortex]

oh, i know what kind of people use that

[turbid plaza]

Sureeee

And what kind of person am i?

[ancient harness]

They did not even appropriate the symbol. The Iron Cross as an award was already issued in WW1 and before, the Nazis just changed the colors of the ribbon and added red

[patent iris]

No, I just swap teams

[drowsy plover]

Don't let huk k ow about finland air force emblem, he will be devastated

[mellow knoll]

Here’s a question for you 2nd Panzer lot. Are y’all a fan of strategy games?

[past vortex]

its not like the german imperium is something to be proud of too

no reasonable person would dig that

[harsh egret]

I mean when I was 12, I played StarCraft all day everyday. Does that count?

[mellow knoll]

Yes

[turbid plaza]

What got me into hll was the 6 man squad based gameplay and armor

I dont really play other games like it

Before this ud find me on rdo and gta

[mellow knoll]

If you’re a lover of ww2 like me I’d get Call To Arms Ostfront. Amazing game needs more attention.

[turbid plaza]

But i liked it enough to start a clan

[mellow knoll]

Anyway I gotta brb.

[harsh egret]

And he suckered me into helping him. I was happily retired and had HLL uninstalled.

[past vortex]

are you aware that they have finally seen reason?
also ik they had the swastika before 33

[drowsy plover]

Based on this reasoning we only have a few buddist to bully into abandonning the symbol right ,

[past vortex]

not at all, you make things up so you can freely promote hate

[ancient harness]

Not the way it works

If I'm not mistaken, the Finnish air force symbol was somewhat linked to Nazi Germany. Mainly because they both hated the soviets

[past vortex]

it wasnt

thats why you see where he is going by bringing it up

[drowsy plover]

My point is, it is just a symbol and isn't promoting hate to have it in a game where you are embodying the german army in ww2

[finite berry]

Stop falling for rage bait, guys

[past vortex]

stop trying to normalize hate

(you pretend you do not, if so wake up, elise)

[nocturne birch]

Still waiting on horses to be added to the game smh

[wheat wasp]

why did they do my boy Alfred so dirty in this update? dude looks like a recovering heroin addict.

[finite berry]

Assuming that your dumb takes are actually for real, let me ask you a question. Do hammer and sickle and other communist symbols also normalise "hate"?

[past vortex]

do you have memory problems

[harsh egret]

This is why we can't have nice things (his name ends with Stein or Berg guaranteed)

[past vortex]

naw my german name is much more ancient

[finite berry]

That doesn't answer my question. A simple yes or no will do.

[past vortex]

ofc yes, as i already told you

[finite berry]

Okay, then your takes are at least consistent.

[past vortex]

and yk what.... its already very much looked down on

[ancient harness]

Real man

[finite berry]

Eh

[ancient harness]

What is that face

[wheat wasp]

yeah like cmon team17

[harsh egret]

That new mug is rough indeed

[drowsy plover]

Not t17 fault they don't do development 🤷

Nor testing for that matter

[past vortex]

you cant blame them for the ai output

[harsh egret]

I don't think T17 is real. They are AI. The whole studio.

[broken shoal]

teams having 4 flares is making the matches unbearable

[ancient harness]

Also they only decided to change that one which was probably the most iconic HLL face

[wheat wasp]

yeah dude, i will miss seeing the blueberries running around like a clone army now.

[harsh egret]

So is the new arty stationary gun only able to be built in HQ? I was trying to build one in practice range just to see how it is but I couldn't, and didn't bother reading.

[ancient harness]

I mean they will still exist, just with another face

[wheat wasp]

not the same.

rip alfred

[ancient harness]

They're placed on the same spots

[mellow knoll]

Clearly not enough.

[ancient harness]

There're three blueprints in the same position as before, you can choose which to build

[harsh egret]

Softlocking it behind the need for a squad is a super dumb decision. Who the hell am I going to get to forward observe and drop supplies for me in an average lobby?

[past vortex]

true

[harsh egret]

I can understand squads for the SPAs but they totally obliterated the experience for people who enjoyed stationary arty and don't have constant friends playing and willing to do it.

[past vortex]

i mean who does enjoy arty?

lol

[harsh egret]

I damn sure did

[past vortex]

hahaha

[harsh egret]

My grandfather operated a Howitzer in Italy and France. I sat on those guns for hours teaching myself how to solo it in his honor. Now I'm just boned.

It was a great thing to know and be familiar with, where if squads were full I could jump on a gun and assist the battle in a big and engaging way.

[mellow knoll]

Not to mention they’re glorified tankers in appearance when artillery men wore standard infantry uniforms

[harsh egret]

Nobody is. Learn to read. You're boring.

[ancient harness]

Yes, but since they can drive tanks, they had to have their uniform

Otherwise you'd see tankers wearing standard infantry uniforms

[mellow knoll]

Yeah but in that regard they should have made a specific class for that and the artillery operators be standard

[ancient harness]

They should just have just given that tank to tankers!!!

[mellow knoll]

That too lmao

[harsh egret]

You have a very low IQ prove me wrong.

[ancient harness]

My profile picture is straight up my HLL German commander skin lmao

[past vortex]

reasonable people dont celebrate that
its obvious

[mellow knoll]

It’s people like you who call ww2 re-enactors nazis lmao

[harsh egret]

No and I've never voted in my life because I'm not a naiive idiot.

[wheat wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-twitch-osu-gif-25667324

[past vortex]

there you go :D

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-flakes-gif-19121332

[visual niche]

Let's just move on from this

[drowsy plover]

Nope pls, gents stay on topic

[ancient harness]

That tankers cannot drive a specific tank just because the devs decided to separate it from other vehicles. Not to mention that I grinded tank commander level X to be reset to 1 now because I have to play another class

[mellow knoll]

Ironically they should’ve stayed in the regular tank category.

[harsh egret]

Both my grandfathers fought Nazi Germany in ww2. Sit down, little punk.

[past vortex]

oh no now he is raging

lol

[harsh egret]

Go watch CNN and slurp up some more propaganda.

[past vortex]

hahaha

[harsh egret]

Anyways

[past vortex]

full maga in 3,2,1.....

whata guy :D

[smoky urchin]

Well this discussion spiralled

[drowsy plover]

Don't say maga you promote hate

[finite berry]

hahaha

[past vortex]

:D

[harsh egret]

Yes, people can only see the world through a lens of red versus blue or left versus right. Criticize one, they immediately place you into the other camp because their conditioning doesn't allow for any grey areas at all. Divide and conquer, baby boy. Slurp it up.

[boreal stratus]

Real men watch say gex on Fox News 💪

[mellow knoll]

That’s what happens when someone with zero brain cells comes along and calls everyone nazis just because we’re knowledgable on the topic.

[past vortex]

there was no immediatly involved at all

[drowsy plover]

When did it became one or the other ?

[past vortex]

that only happened after you started to lose it :}

[finite berry]

Okay, and does playing as Soviets during an re-enactment event a Stalinist or a Bolshevist?

[visual niche]

Drop the topic, or DM each other if you want to continue.

[harsh egret]

IMMEDIATELY talked about red hats and MAGA. I am a-political and think it is two wings of the same corrupt bird. I already said I don't participate.

[drowsy plover]

Also who said : I want to roleplay as a nazi, it would be cool

[real parrot]

Hey new mod

[past vortex]

after you called people punks yea :}

[real parrot]

cool

[harsh egret]

Stop being a punk then 🤷‍♂️

It'll put some hair on your chest

[past vortex]

yea havnt seen @visual niche do moding ever

[drowsy plover]

Mod you should be happy we don't talk about the state of the game. Let us be

[mellow knoll]

We have

[real parrot]

So anyways is hll death yet

[mellow knoll]

Countless times

[visual niche]

I'd prefer that actually lol

[grizzled kiln]

So, how about that U19 update

[mellow knoll]

Since the update’s announcement

[past vortex]

do you think your lame insults enforce your point ?

[ancient harness]

9/10 times I check this chat is basically about that

[visual niche]

huk, just drop it like everyone else has

[past vortex]

how about you stop the insults ?

mr mod...

[mellow knoll]

Just time him out tbh it’ll do us all good

[drowsy plover]

When will T17 address the issues of glitch and bug fixes rather than new content?

[wheat wasp]

my grandfather was in the foreign legions 😭

[past vortex]

yea right, insults are not ok after all

[grizzled kiln]

[past vortex]

@visual niche what are your thoughts on pregnant man reactions ?

[ancient harness]

Lmao

[past vortex]

:}

[real parrot]

I'm happy to think I initiated the pregman reactions meme

[cosmic pilot]

This is what my dad would say would happen if I ate macaroni and cheese.

[broken shoal]

remove flares from artillery squads. thank you

[drowsy plover]

And mod is gone 🙁

[real parrot]

I ate it

[grizzled kiln]

Remove flares

[real parrot]

Remove hll

[cosmic pilot]

Based.
Now, remove pings.

[mellow knoll]

Yay the commie is gone

[broken shoal]

why there is a nazi apologizer in chat rn.what in the hell

[grizzled kiln]

Sure..

[cosmic pilot]

Add pointing emotes

[harsh egret]

I knew it was inevitable 😂😂

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/capitalism-communism-leninism-lenin-simpsons-gif-7942196

[harsh egret]

😂😂😂

[vagrant jetty]

anyone know how to adjust the SPA aiming when your at x elevation?

[past vortex]

doesnt it show that already

[vagrant jetty]

do u minus or add the number shown?

[past vortex]

i never tried arty but logically it adds id say

[mellow knoll]

They’re fairly easy to lure lmao

[proper sandal]

yo check out my arty calculators in the HLL guides section

[cosmic pilot]

strictly NO solicitation

[fervent dagger]

Combine the yellow and red numbers. The red number is sometimes positive and sometimes negative depending on the terrain.

[past vortex]

if you do arty without a calc you would at least train some math
what is the fun in playing arty?

[cosmic pilot]

they should've put a calulator into the game ages ago

just make it a part of the ui

[past vortex]

even make it more direct

aka as a commander ability :}

[cosmic pilot]

it's possible to original intent was to mimic the tabulated nature of arty calculators from the 1940s, but even then it's poorly implimented

[ancient harness]

There's artillery as a commander ability

[past vortex]

sure, but is that really a good thing in a game

[cosmic pilot]

if the table was more accurate to what was really used, it would be good

[past vortex]

who tf sits there for an hour, puts numbers in a calc and presses F all the time

[finite berry]

No no, you don't understand, this is peak gameplay, arty should definitely stay

[past vortex]

:}

[umbral osprey]

I've never done it that long but it's pretty chill and satisfying to get kills with arty for a while

[ancient harness]

Until recon arrives

[past vortex]

true

[umbral osprey]

That's when you know you were doing well

Feels nice in a way

[ancient harness]

Me and my tank crew always end up fighting the recon squad at HQ2 while we wait for a tank

Arty guys are safe

[harsh egret]

I've sat for many hours on a gun in HQ calling out fire missions and dropping smoke screens for the team's push. It is very fun.

Too bad it is now ruined lol

[cosmic pilot]

how is it ruined

you can still do that

[umbral osprey]

Oh yeah that smoke should've been used much more

Really helpful

[harsh egret]

I mean it is locked behind needing a squad and someone willing to drop supplies for you. Good luck in a random game doing that now. Maybe for a week as people try it out you'll get lucky 👍

[valid talon]

Are the optimization and graphics issues happening for Xbox?

[past vortex]

its really eay to switch role and do it yourself

[harsh egret]

Tell us again how you've never played arty huk

[ancient harness]

You can still do it

[past vortex]

so you say you cant do it yourself ?

[harsh egret]

You create a squad, you're the officer. You cannot role swap to drop supplies and build a gun by yourself.

[cosmic pilot]

arty gameplay is for people who have monkey brains
push button and get neuron activation

[gentle vector]

day 2 no hotfix

[ancient harness]

You just join an already existing squad

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[gentle vector]

still cant see 100 metres infront of me

[umbral osprey]

That's very nice

[harsh egret]

Except when there are none or they are locked waiting for friends, like when you try to play recon without a buddy.

The future for the arty guys who enjoyed helping out in a solo pinch is bleak

[ancient harness]

tank

[harsh egret]

Plus ammo is soft locked behind Commanders now, who don't talk or listen half the time if you even get one 😂😂

[cosmic pilot]

something, something, listening to community feedback

[ancient harness]

tank

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah glad they listened to 4+ years of feedback wanting mortars and gave us SPAs ❤️ !! Lfg T17

[ancient harness]

Artillery squads if they got mortars instead of a new tank: 🤌🤌

[cosmic pilot]

why not both

more toys more gooder

[ancient harness]

Because the tank should be driven by tankers ong

[cosmic pilot]

this is debatable

i do think it should cost fuel

having it cost munitions is odd

[ancient harness]

The artillery squads got tank skins because the ones that drove those tanks were tankers

The tank should be given to tankers, artillery squads should exist with mortars as their main feature

[harsh egret]

I found a building in admin cam that is basically a giant factory with connecting bridges with open windows you can deploy on and shoot out of. Couldn't find a single way to enter it except thru a window flying in admin cam, and then discovered the entire structure is empty and not meant to be entered.

But everything about it from the outside looks like a solid hardpoint to rally in and defend from, with great windows open for shooters. It makes no sense.

Like they just ran out of time, closed it off and then shipped it.

[faint portal]

I will say, this is prevalent with like every map in the game. Admin cam is not meant to be a gauge of what buildings you can/can't go through

Most windows in hll face like the worst possible areas on purpose for gameplay as is lol I'd expect anything that has a "perfect" window probably wouldn't be in scope for the game

[past vortex]

yea useful windows are intentionally disabled

(mostly)

[harsh egret]

I know. I wouldn't say it was perfect but it definitely looks like a place people would group up in. It has top floor windows that are blown all the way out like they anticipated shooters being able to go there.

There is also actually a 2nd building next to it, and there is a 2nd story bridge walkway that connects the two buildings. This walkway has an open window on it as well big enough to get a body through. When you go inside with cam, you realize both sides of the walkway just hit brickwalls and none of it is accessible. It really just looks like a building that was meant to be something meaningful, maybe even an obj. Then they just went nah.

[sturdy bridge]

@worthy charm i miss you

[nocturne birch]

@tropic light 🤪

[deft shale]

Trash, a waste, and should be removed. Commander shouldn’t have the ability. It costs teams more than it ever helps.

[cosmic pilot]

what's bad about it

[past vortex]

since the nerf it most of the time far too expensive, doesnt do that much
maybe situational
you see so many commanders blow all their ammo to little effect

[cosmic pilot]

you are correct, but that's not what i was asking
what makes it so it should be removed

[deft shale]

It’s slow, inaccurate, and wastes more ammo than 10 minutes of shooting the static gun. Indirect fire is meant to be fast and accurate. Most the time commanders are brain dead and just drop it thinking it’ll get a bunch of kills but they don’t, it stalls your push, and ALWAYS allows the enemy to reinforce by the time the junk ability stops.

Also shouldn’t be taking away part of the infantry’s job. The commander abilities are all planes. Simulates calling another branch.

[past vortex]

because too much arty in game

but yea it isnt a major problem, just strange

[cosmic pilot]

if it's ineffectual, why remove it

in military hierarchy, calling in artillery is the responisbility of the HQ and is not a job for the infantry

[deft shale]

Because it’s a huge waste? And command shouldn’t be taking the job of his army?

Why have medics. Give command a heal all button. Same concept.

[cosmic pilot]

wouldn't it be better if the ability was made more useful rather than be removed

[deft shale]

No, it’s not. Did it in real life. Command will never be near lmao insulting af

[analog apex]

Medic is a medic and it's his job irl. But the arty is not up to the ordinary infantrymen.

[cosmic pilot]

and artillery does a job that infantry can't do

so it's not stepping on anyone's toes in that regard

[deft shale]

Yes it is? The F? Don’t know what you are talking about.

[cosmic pilot]

you are not ordinary infantry if you are a gun crew

[deft shale]

No because it’s taking the job of infantry and automating it

[cosmic pilot]

the decision to commit artillery to a battle is made by the HQ
if the HQ does not commit the artillery, the infantry cannot call out specific missions in the tactical sense

[finite berry]

That is a very weird comparison.

[cosmic pilot]

the commander in game also needs the ability to call in a substantial artillery barrage to achieve specific strategic goals

[worthy charm]

Mainly because people cried about it whilst it was fine it its first version. Just the part of it killing garrisons was stupid.

[deft shale]

Ok I’ll bite. Let’s say that’s the case.

So commander jumps on the guns instead of the trained guys?

[cosmic pilot]

the infantry needs artillery to acheive tactical goals

[deft shale]

I spent 8 years training on those guns in real life but you’re right. It won’t be me shooting when the time matters. It’s the bum who pushes the buttons

[worthy charm]

No, the main point he request the arty strike. It doesnt make any sense that some medic or AT dude can operate an arty gun. Realistically they arent trained to do this, its not like using such a gun is easy.

[past vortex]

ideally commander arty should be more fine grained
would overload the commander role tho

[cosmic pilot]

based on your reallife experience, would you be as close to the battle on the gun as is shown in hll

[cosmic pilot]

there needs to be choice about intensity, essentially, duration and number of shells used

[past vortex]

yea commander wouldnt be on map

[cosmic pilot]

it needs to be dynamic

[deft shale]

No we’d be miles away and in no way in heck would someone shoot you off it and dismantle it 😂

[cosmic pilot]

so which is more accurate to representing artillery, the commander callin, or the on map artillery

[deft shale]

Not at all. The men on the line call it in. Commander isn’t. He doesn’t know how to call it in or send it…..

[cosmic pilot]

can someone take this over

https://tenor.com/view/im-trying-struggle-fail-trash-garbage-gif-14612292

[past vortex]

sometimes frontline call arty, then arty cmmander decides :}
also much arty was pre-planned even higher up

[worthy charm]

So Johann, the combat medic will call in an arty strike more likely than the commander?

Like... in which game would that make sense?

[past vortex]

he is the one with the horse, so yea

[analog apex]

no, and that's why he has the off-map call-in
otherwise those "trained guys" would drain his ammunition when firing when the CMD doesn't want them to... in HLL

[worthy charm]

That too, thats why commander like the older BF games was cool to play. It also got boring fast, so its obvious why BM did it differently.

[cosmic pilot]

commander needs to be the backline garrison b***

[analog apex]

right 😄

[deft shale]

But instead he’ll sit at HQ dropping random arty strikes that hit nothing while wasting 300+ munitions and then cry he had no ammo

[analog apex]

that's a problem of the specific player that took the CMD role, but it's not the problem of the CMD role per se nor to the fact it is an off-map call-in

[cosmic pilot]

so return the capability to destroy garrisons :]

[worthy charm]

???
Only the worst kind of commanders sit in HQ. Also if you ignore everything we say, why do you even bother to response?

[analog apex]

read his name, there's your answer heh 😄

sorry, just joking ofc.

[deft shale]

I’ve replied to the important things you’ve said lol and you may underestimate how bad console commanders are.

[worthy charm]

No words

[deft shale]

Or remove it all together and learn to work with your oh so important artillery squads

[analog apex]

again, that's not a problem of the arty as a call-in, nor of the CMD role. It's a problem of those specific players only, those who took the role.

[worthy charm]

When we are going of the worst players there are HQ arty is still even worse. Based of its cheaper price a troll/bad player can shoot the own team the whole game.

Like...

[deft shale]

Nobody is saying the arty squad is bad. It’s fine. Wanna limit who can use it great but then don’t give it to commander taking away from the value of the arty squads.

Anybody who knows what they are doing can do infinitely more damage with the static gun than the ability. But most the time command wastes it, blows all the ammo, and then blames you at HQ while not understanding the value of what you were doing with your pinpoint shells

[cosmic pilot]

it does not take away from the arty squad

[analog apex]

But most the time command wastes it, blows all the ammo, and then blames you at HQ while not understanding the value of what you were doing with your pinpoint shells
And what do you think were doing the artillerymen so far, before U19? Draining the CMD's ammo.

[cosmic pilot]

the commander arty achieves strategic effects

the player artillery acheives tactical effects

they do different things

[deft shale]

Arty always blows through the ammo wasting it yet on the receiving end arty is insufferable and any blueberry can get on and rinse your team.

So which is it? Because you’re contradicting what you’re saying

[analog apex]

No, I don't think I do.

[worthy charm]

Not at all

[deft shale]

It’s alright it doesn’t matter tbh. I won’t be reinstalling. Played since day 1 on console, level 500, and have one of the most popular console servers.l

[worthy charm]

Of course

[analog apex]

LVL 500... I wonder where you got it... that fast 😄 .

[deft shale]

Lol 450 to 500 took almost a year I swear

[analog apex]

of course, of course 🙂

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-gif-801717548194763122

[devout isle]

theres a guy that keeps teamkilling me but its a german speaking server only and i dont know what to do

[ancient harness]

Cry

[analog apex]

I would advise you to get to the server's community discord that hosts it and make an adminCall. But if they have GER only and you can't speak it, then... meh

[ancient harness]

I once asked for something in English in the officer's radio in a German server and got instantly kicked out

[analog apex]

Yeah, if a server has some language in the name like "GER only" for example, expect that the owners expect everybody speaking that language there. And that they may take action if somebody doesn't.

[ancient harness]

It's funny because no one does anything against English speakers in Spanish servers

[devout isle]

rude??

[ancient harness]

I did not mean it that way

[worthy charm]

Cry

[analog apex]

rly? I tried some Spanish server like 2 years ago and I got autoBooted. I guess depends on the specific server/community.

[worthy charm]

:}

[ancient harness]

Lmao

[ancient harness]

They're really tolerant now

[worthy charm]

It always depend on the specific server.

Generalising this is like national cliches.

[analog apex]

but as the HLL general playercounts will keep going slowly down, everybody will become more "tolerant" heh

about that... U19 hasn't seemed it attracted any big positive attention from the newcomers

the playerCount is still on the decline

[finite berry]

The thing is, do newcomers even realise how messed up the updates are (not counting crashes and the console graphic issues)

[analog apex]

probably not

many newcomers wear "purple glasses" for a while and when they fall off and they realise it's bad, they leave silently
unlike the few of us who care... and here we rant in hopes we will get devs' attention and they will fix the discussed stuffs

[worthy charm]

How much do they even care when they just bought the game?

[finite berry]

That's the thing. All the issues that get discussed to death on a bloody daily basis here do not really exist to the average newbie

[worthy charm]

Especially when its only 13€

[finite berry]

It's not about caring, they simply don't know

I mean, it's the same for all games

You need to spend some time with it and play it and learn it before you're even capable of understand the core issues

[analog apex]

which is another thing that caught my eye - the Steam HLL sale is the biggest to date, 13€ is rly cheap. And yet the Steam playerCounts keep going down (or at the very least they are not going back up).

should be a clear signal to the devs that they are doing something terribly wrong

[silk igloo]

its just that people have become tired of the arbitrary busywork

[devout isle]

the guy teamkilling me is named "магЕркуарк" and i saw him shooting other teammates... and what he does is he shoots you but doesnt kill you forcing you to use your bandages until you run out

[analog apex]

if such an individual is repeating it and on purpose, it's best to hit the record button

and send the evidence to the server admins

[ancient harness]

Try to take damage before they shoot at you

[devout isle]

how do i record

[finite berry]

Use an external recording software?

[silk igloo]

just let yourself bleed out, should count as his kill and he'll get penalized for it

[fringe hollow]

The core issues reduce vet enjoyment, which reduces the quality of gameplay overall which reduces the number of new players who get to learn correctly and reduces the number who will stay to bolster the count.

[analog apex]

OBS is the best, but if you have no experience with game video recording, may be hard to set it up

[finite berry]

Not necessarily. People will stay, they just dumb down the general gameplay because they play it like Battlefield.

[twilit apex]

cheers everyone

[devout isle]

the dude shot me in the head like 2 times and killed me with a spade and then kept shooting me but not killing me

i just dont know why he was doing it.. i had just joined

[fringe hollow]

which isn't the way it's meant to be played and the clashing of wrong playstyle on the wrong framework of a game leads to poor experience overall

[ancient harness]

Bleeding out should count as kill or at least I remember seeing something about it being changed so that it counts

[devout isle]

well i sadly didnt bleed out

[fringe hollow]

if someone intentionally does it, I just follow them and mock them until I bleed out and punish

[devout isle]

and eventually he completely stopped out of nowhere like he knew he would get kicked

and i was watching him do it to other random teammates too

[analog apex]

whatever you do, never TK back, it's always best to tell the admins

[devout isle]

i never teamkilled him

[ancient harness]

Vote them out. If he has done it to more people you should get to kick them if you voy them

[worthy charm]

Except you play on those server

[analog apex]

aah, right the language problem

[devout isle]

the last time i teamkilled was an accident.. someone walked infront of me shooting at americans 😭

but that was like a week ago

[fringe hollow]

It's always the oblivous to their surroundings people who are the angriest when they walk in front of you

[worthy charm]

I have stopped holding my tank for any player, if they think walking infront of a tank is a good idea or are so oblivious to a load engine coming closer they deserved it.

[past vortex]

even worse with truck

[finite berry]

Doesn't it kill even if you just gently bump someone with it?

[devout isle]

yes

[past vortex]

yea, its kinda lame

[analog apex]

yep

SQ44 has this better implemented

it just throws us down on the ground and we have to stand up, otherwise no damage - unlike HLL where we die just by mere little touch of a vehicle

[devout isle]

i remember i tried to hitch a ride on a tank but as i was trying to get on top of it.. it backed up and ran me over 😭

[finite berry]

Unless you get rammed at high speed

[tropic light]

Who out here ghost pinging me

[finite berry]

@tropic light me

[tropic light]

Nvm i found it

[fringe hollow]

I scream beep beep in local and if they die, they die

[worthy charm]

That reserved for the when I go into reverse gear.

[fringe hollow]

Ah, smart. I usually don't expect infantry to use the massive moving metal box as cover. They flow around and get cut down instead

doesn't help that tankers don't go infantry speed normally and just zoom away

[mellow knoll]

Average blueberry logic

[fringe hollow]

Why can't clown to clown mental links happen in game. Everyone sucks so why can't we suck as a unit

[echo karma]

I just run ppl over tbh. You're in the road, you knew better

Not like you don't hear the truck coming a mile away

Why don't they do twitch live stream reveals and twitch drops?

[fringe hollow]

takes time away from doing whatever it is they do instead of working on HLL bugs

[echo karma]

They give away free dlc constantly so could be twitch drops

[cyan saddle]

based

[cyan saddle]

also based

[harsh egret]

Just curious, what is your t17/in game name? Or do you have some super annoying voice? 😂 I feel like this stuff is happening to you constantly, based on your reporting.

There has to be some sort of something baiting people to come at you. Or you just have the worst luck ever.

Could definitely be random and unlucky as HLL players are generally very low IQ people, but yeah.

[echo karma]

Idk. I feel like he's blasting music in local chat

I'll run you over for that

[harsh egret]

Insta-mute from me. Every time.

[echo karma]

Scoreboard buggy still.

[fringe hollow]

I appreciate it in the truck but all the time is annoying af

truck time is goofy time

[echo karma]

Stay off the road brother

[fringe hollow]

Never said I would do it. if I wanted to listen to music I wouldn't be playing a game where I want to listen for footsteps and plane drops

Anyone else have a server show up, they click to select, and it just disappears only to reappear when you refresh?

[devout isle]

i cant speak so i dont talk and my name is just "Alyssa"

[tender topaz]

so wait

what are the divisions used for

the cosmetics

and will there be more

[harsh egret]

You can't speak? I guess maybe that's why if people are trying to talk to you and you're not hearing or acknowledging them on comms?

Alternatively, they could be 14 and they've never seen a gamergirl before, or any girl for that matter. They don't know how to act 🤷‍♂️

[devout isle]

i mean ive ran into encounters where ive gotten kicked or something for not speaking or responding to people

which i mean its a little annoying but its whatever

but ive never seen someone teamkill a person over and over

[harsh egret]

Is it really can't speak or just won't speak? Like anxiety etc. Can't and won't are very different things. It is a team game built around teamwork and communication so if you flat out just refuse then I think sadly you'll have to deal with people kicking you sometimes.

If you are physically unable, that is obviously understandable even though most people aren't going to be aware.

[devout isle]

i am physically disabled

car crash

[harsh egret]

Damn. Yeah unfortunately even people that arent's aholes are still gonna make room for people talking without meaning to be rude.

[analog apex]

I feel sorry to hear that 🙁 .

[harsh egret]

For sure

[devout isle]

honestly my average experience in hll is great when it comes to other people

so i rarely encounter any people being mean to me specifically

but its just so confusing when it does happen

[muted apex]

Why brumbar and petard instead of a Wespe and sexton-priest and su76

[devout isle]

what

[analog apex]

When I encounter gamegirls, I am on my best behavior somehow, can't yell at them, can't criticise even if they happen to play not so well. I suppose because I wouldn't be able to do that irl either...

[muted apex]

I’ll assume you’re a dev

[devout isle]

it feels weird playing games like hll

but i just like killing things

[analog apex]

that we peeps here have in common... at least in a game 🙂

[muted apex]

Devs need to be prosecuted for fraud

[devout isle]

what

[muted apex]

‘SPA’

💀

[echo karma]

Tbf don't we always TK girls in every game?

Not excessive tk but you know

[harsh egret]

I change nothing about me whatsoever

lol

[devout isle]

why tho

[harsh egret]

why what

[echo karma]

It's not like we're playing apex here.

[muted apex]

All devs must be rounded up by local
Authorities with immediate effect.

[finite berry]

People either start acting weird or they become overly polite and simpy, there is no real in between lmao

[analog apex]

what's apex xD

[devout isle]

why does muph teamkill girls specifically

[finite berry]

Apex Legends

[harsh egret]

I'm nice to people that are nice to me. We are on a videogame. I literally don't care who is what

[finite berry]

Stupid hero shooter if I'm not mistaken

[echo karma]

I don't go outta my way but I will troll if I hear a chick

[devout isle]

why?

sounds kinda mean

[harsh egret]

Aly it is kinda like when a boy likes a girl in 3rd grade recess so they pick on her and punch her and sht 😂😂😂

[finite berry]

Pardom my French, but that's idiotic

[echo karma]

We play games to escape women

[devout isle]

idfk 😭

[finite berry]

Can't tell whether this guy is rage baiting or not

[echo karma]

Also very rare to see a woman in this game genre

It's not bf5

[devout isle]

vr shooter games have some of the worst people which is why i just dont really play them

[echo karma]

I ain't got the money for the setup

[pale vapor]

Dont get why some of the buildings and stairways are blocked on this new map

really feels like an “on rail” shooter

[echo karma]

New map is dope tho. Everything else ehh

Someone send a video of that chongus kv2 trying sneak in

[muted apex]

Why no Wespe

[analog apex]

btw., ever since they added CMD arty strike, they haven't been able to assign it a good name in the RCON, all CMD arty strikes are still listed just as "unkown"

[novel geyser]

"hmmm yes he was blown up by something from the sky... no clue what could have caused that"

[echo karma]

It was a nuke

Why no firebombs tho?

Napalm strike would be cool no? Pretty annoying tbh

[novel geyser]

nah White Phosphorus we need that

I want friendlies running into it thinking its normal smoke and getting TK'd

just like the good ol' RS2 days

[echo karma]

Napalm was used alot late war.

[novel geyser]

WP was used a lot through the whole war from what I know

[echo karma]

We burned Japan to the ground

So much so Tokyo wasn't even a target for a nuke

[novel geyser]

well when we get a tokyo map sure

[echo karma]

War crimes won't be in gameplay

Rip shotgun

[novel geyser]

not even a warcrime so its safe

[harsh egret]

Imagine the framerate with HLL doing triple canopy jungle maps lol

[echo karma]

Vietnam soon lol

Imagine the fps with building tunnel systems

[past vortex]

my bet is that tunnels are just dynamic spawnpoints

blackbox style

[sturdy quarry]

yeah tunnels are just half underground garrys

[heady pagoda]

Is there a new calculator for the artillery vehicles?

[worthy charm]

Take a look in #1273828697941606450

There should be one

[heady pagoda]

Thank you

[obtuse dragon]

+foliage+water+assets+players

+effects+weapons+animations+etc

If the devs don't optimize the game every match Will be painful in HLL:V

[fringe hollow]

Well I had a horrible 15 minute match because no one would help my lone squad defend

we love blueberries. "Someone else will get it"

[devout isle]

90% of my matches nobody defends 😭

[silk igloo]

Okay, the SPAs are actually worthless because of the nonsense operational area limit they put on it

it seems to be a circle from the HQ it's spawned in, not per distance along the length of the map

[worthy charm]

They didnt wanted to let us snipe HQ tanks

I agree though they are not really usefull currently in a pub game

[fringe hollow]

so what I saw on reddit was true

[silk igloo]

In the south I could drive up to the very middle line of the map, in the north it blew me up 200 meters from it. So it seems like a circle

[fringe hollow]

it should literally just be a line like G-H line as an example.

can't go past this column on the map

why a circle limit?

@dim snow 2 hour slowmode is aids. The british are the newest faction so it kind of makes sense but not even a single normandy map is kind of sad. I can get them using the british as a fill in for different theaters, africa for example but eh

[silk igloo]

the devs got their stuff backwards. if a team is pushed to the last point, it's ridiculous to hold the winning side back. if there's anything unfair they need to fix, it's the spawn meta that enables snowballing, just because how easy it is to sneak around destroying and building spawns instead of playing the actual game.

[dim snow]

I have a good feeling it’ll be Caen the next map, so many people have suggested it, would be a quality map

[fringe hollow]

would be very cool if so

[dim snow]

Biggest battle of Normandy

[ancient harness]

Sometimes we (me and my crew) have to stay static on defense because there's literally no infantry defending. A heavy tank wasted on defense because infantry decided to go all in to attack

[fringe hollow]

Sneaking and killing garrisons is how you play the game. The whole thing is map control and spawn management

[silk igloo]

it must be that 9 times out of 10 a team loses because some cheesy airhead or red garri or general teleportation, not because arty or tanks are OP

[cosmic pilot]

bring back invincible garrisons in locked territory

[silk igloo]

uhhuh, and that haves us doing everything but the frontline fighting the game is supposedly about

even worse, when people do buy into it as a general rule, they often end up losing because they separate themselves from their tanks

[fringe hollow]

Recon's job to hunt garrisons. If you have a large group in your backlines, you have been flanked and don't have enough map control

[ancient harness]

Tanks are easily countered. Even a tank with a full, organized crew. It eventually falls

[pale vapor]

This game needs some kind of head bob or something. When im running i literally just feel like a floating gun

[silk igloo]

I'd rather remove recon completely. It's a bs game mechanic just like airheads are.

It's not some eastern european woods where partisans run about

[cosmic pilot]

there is a concept of deep battle, of purposefully fighting behind lines with a substantial number of people
but when it happens it's not on purpose

[silk igloo]

The game shouldn't be like foxhole where lots of people spend their lives doing menial ratty things

[fringe hollow]

The game shouldn't be like battlefield where it's just shooting shooting and shooting

wrong reply fml

there should be strategy on how to disrupt a supply line and there should still be a supply line

two blobs clashing with no way to change from "we shot and positioned better" gets stale

[silk igloo]

I'd rather have the game be about what the squads manage to do, what they can hold, what they can take, and how it all plays together. One squad gets wiped out by another, and they continue on to abuse that position against the rest

[pale vapor]

a real military shooter that actually depects war shouldnt be about boring military heirchary logistics but about actual combat itself

You wont remember anything about logistics if you fought in war but you will remember getting shot at

[obtuse dragon]

Tbf

[silk igloo]

With infantry and tanks being dependent on each other, and inf and tank squads depending on each others comms and teamwork, there's enough room for everything, imo

[obtuse dragon]

Literally any class does a better job at recon than the actual recon

[fringe hollow]

without logistics, you just have a shooter, not tactical shooter

[fervent dagger]

Had this conversation earlier with someone but if the SPAs could actually hit a HQ, would it even be that bad? Like if a team is dying to spawn camping then they are probably screwed anyway. Only argument I can think of is that the SPA might be a node remover/static arty mulcher.

[obtuse dragon]

Specially the support class with the flamethrower

The AT class and support are better recon than the actual recon

[cosmic pilot]

If HQ camping was such a threat, we'd see medium tanks doing it on the regular

[fringe hollow]

The recon should still be a thing but the way it plays now and is forced to play kind of sucks. They should be intel backline, not just another sneaky combat squad

report positions and and like to help normal infantry and tanks plan an attack or defense accordingly

[broken shoal]

remove the 3 rockets for the bazookas, god damn. what a way to ruin the balance

[cosmic pilot]

you'd get this with invincible garrisons in locked territory

[fringe hollow]

I wouldn't argue with that

[pale vapor]

the focus should be more on combat, if you actually want to be depect war

A game with 0 hud, loud terirfying gun sounds that drown out everything, no imaginary floating name tags, no map markers just using your eyes like irl: is vastly supperior to a logistic sim with floating text everywhere

[thin lotus]

Hll players who think “map control” is something that doesn’t also exist in literally every other pvp shooter game is insane

[cosmic pilot]

Chum has stopped playing CSGO to speak to us mere mortals 🙌

[worthy charm]

Praise the ancient one

[fringe hollow]

War isn't JUST the killing though. The brains that go into planning the war, figuring out how you get the men, materials, etc to attack or defend all play together. If you want just combat, play an arcade shooter.

[thin lotus]

Thinking that “map control” is something uniquely exclusive to hll is INSANE I tell you

[fringe hollow]

Map control being in other games makes me sad. How tf does it exist everywhere and people still fail at it

[silk igloo]

Instead of people learning how to build nodes, garris, etc arbitrary things, they should be spending their time learning how to move together with a tank and such. The way the game is now I HAVE to separate myself from my squad to build garris

[pale vapor]

the killing and getting shot at is the most important part though lmao. Cause thats your life

like if you were in war youll remember getting shot at more than the mindless task youve done

[fringe hollow]

Squads should be specialized in doing the different things. A squad should be focused on getting garrisons while clearing the garry area. If you don't wanna build a garrison, play combat infantry. But then no one would play logistics and the idea of playerbuilt spawns falls flat yet again.

[cosmic pilot]

the flaw is having the built spawns be Teamwide spawns, instead of more permanent squad spawns

[silk igloo]

No, the entire game should be reworked so that it'd be pointless to be a cheesy rat. It'd be quite simple even

[fringe hollow]

I think you missed what I mean. Yes, you remember combat more than logistics but combat doesn't work without logistics. You won't have bullets without someone giving them to you.

[fringe hollow]

Such a vague statement. How would you do this, in detail?

[thin lotus]

Shooting/killing more than dying is the catalyst to doing literally anything pertaining to the games objectives.
HLL’s many apologists for its bad game designs have no idea of this

[fringe hollow]

How would you get the team places in the beginning before each squad has their things? What if you take the spawn area and they just keep showing up?

Would you have team spawn be HQ only and everyone need to march or vehicle around?

[cosmic pilot]

yes

[fringe hollow]

I agree but running simulator people seem to hate

I like the indepth, more realistic aspects of things

[silk igloo]

I've several ideas, but my favorite is one wide (perhaps 600 meters) but shallow capture point that moves across the map towards the enemy when there's more of your team in it than the enemy, and every enemy inf or spawn that gets left behind it will get lit up on the map

[cosmic pilot]

no more mass redeploy because spawn points would be limited to transporting on a single squad

you'd still get some redeploying

but only a squad's worth into 1, maybe 2 areas

[devout isle]

is the german uniform green or gray

i cant tell

[fringe hollow]

Stronger tug of war styling. I like the concept but it seems hard to make it work in game because of the community

[fringe hollow]

Grey. It's literally called field grey in german

or something along those lines

[silk igloo]

Well of course it's impractical to change people, it'd have to be a new mode. But it'd be perfect, as long as all the timers, speeds etc are tweaked just right

[pale vapor]

Theres a way to revive this game and this is adding a ultra hardcore mode(seperate from others) with 0 hud no diaarah text on the screen at all, just using ur eyes, extremely loud gun sounds and faction lock skins

There u would have an actual war shooter showing fog of war and ppl will flock to it

[cosmic pilot]

niche content has a niche audience

[fringe hollow]

I feel like reworking the spawn system would change and maybe even ruin the whole game. Not a good idea for the game mid-end life. maybe a new one like vietnam

[pale vapor]

its niche cause youve been conditioned to think its boring ,when it is the opposite

[fringe hollow]

Arma?

Sounds very niche. Having no hud at all is too hardcore for the average player

so you wouldn't have a whole lot of players

[thin lotus]

You can’t have a tug of war when hlls centric gameplay is a few players trying to teleport past eachother so their respective teams can materialize on the other side of the map.
It’s cheesy, and stupid

[cosmic pilot]

niche doesn't mean boring

[fringe hollow]

I don't think he said niche means boring

[cosmic pilot]

it means with limited appeal

[cosmic pilot]

he did, he said i think it's boring

[fringe hollow]

it has a limited appeal because people have been telling themselves it's boring

that's how I read his statement at least

[cosmic pilot]

i've done one life events in HLL

[fringe hollow]

Down with redzone garrisons. OPs only

[cosmic pilot]

it does not appeal to a lot of people 😁

[silk igloo]

If it wasnt possible to spawn behind the oval shaped capture point though? You'd have to stay in the relevant area or the enemy simply pushes the cap zone further and destroys/disables all your spawns. But they would have to keep pushing it or it will eventually stop

[pale vapor]

if anyone ever played spearhead on reforger youd kno what im saying

[fringe hollow]

every reforger experience has been basically this game but Arma themed. No talking or it's 13 guys BSing and only shooting instead of setting up radios like the goal of the game

[livid saffron]

Want something more objective based. Game should have a mode like blow the bridge up , capture Foy, blow up Ammo depot, etc

[silk igloo]

@thin lotus this is what im talking about https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425888592370339860/1425888592563146772/hmm.png?ex=69330dbc&is=6931bc3c&hm=9f09451642d1adf99a5143ae80910b3a8a01f1529623098f8a7cf66fe0348e0c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[thin lotus]

The maps are just too damn wide. And “enemy territory” has too little effect against the opposing teams ability to traverse within it

[cosmic pilot]

maps aren't wide enough

need an extra 200m on each side

[thin lotus]

You just end up with this asinine ratty gameplay where you’re constantly playing cleanup against enemy stragglers on your side of the map. And these same stragglers are still capable of uprooting THEIR entire team to materialize where they are.

Again, it’s just straight up dumb af gameplay.

[cosmic pilot]

it's rare that map edge strongpoints can be outflanked

need some extra breathing room

[silk igloo]

points only need to be flanked because we dont have the tools to break in from the front

and whenever a team does try to do so in force, one rat starts to cap behind them

really, the capture process should start only with 6 people in the cap zone

[broken shoal]

cant believe its been two years and people still complaining about flanks

[fringe hollow]

Flanks happen because people are too focused on one direction

[broken shoal]

cuz somehow operation market garden never happened and flank wasnt a thing in ww2

[fringe hollow]

Having 6 guys in a building but everyone watches the same door means there are other doors to enter from

If you let people get around you, you deserve to have whatever happens happen

[cosmic pilot]

this is true, and SPGs have the potential to be one of those tools

[silk igloo]

it should be a squad that does that to you, not a single player that knows what he's doing

[fringe hollow]

People barely use the space we have as is. It's always focused on the points

[cosmic pilot]

but they're implimented poorly because the devs are too scared of changing the meta in any meaningful way

[fringe hollow]

Yes it should be a squad, but again if a SINGLE GUY can avoid a defensive line then the defensive line was garbage

[silk igloo]

if everything required a squad to accomplish, it'd also eliminate stream sniping or such cheats

[cosmic pilot]

what people choose to do is different from the potential of what they can do

you need the potential to do certain things even if only a minority of people take advantage of it

this is what allows games to be played at multiple skill levels

[fringe hollow]

Just because they have more room doesn't mean they will use it. It's just more space for "potential" that is never realized, at least in pubs

[cosmic pilot]

it would be more realized than i think you're assuming

[silk igloo]

Yeah, in game it is. But it's asinine that 6 players would have to watch a space of 200 meters or more just in case some rat wants to run that way.

you could walk through the lines in ukraine no problem, and you'd be absolutely useless

[cosmic pilot]

i'm specifically concerned about map edge strongpoints behaving too dissimilarly from mid map strongpoints

[fringe hollow]

You aren't defending against a rat, you're defending against the MANY hypothetical things that could happen. It just so happens that it's a single guy so you feel useless in comparison

[cosmic pilot]

esspecially when over half my games the last few days have been one side of the map lineups all the way down

[fringe hollow]

I thought you were meaning to then add the option of more points in those 200 extra areas or something. If we keeps points as they are, then yeah every point would be open to 3 fronts potentially

[silk igloo]

I dont feel useless, I feel overworked. It's the same hurry in every game, plugging gaps left and right. I want every player and squad to contribute to winning the game without arbitrary mechanics that skip everything your team has done together

How to make that happen in game, eh. It's just so stupid that one rat can undo everything your team has done perfectly

[fringe hollow]

If a team was working together correctly, you wouldn't be plugging gaps. Each squad would have their section in the line to watch and they can trust that the other sections are covered without them just suddently being open because players wanna push without a stopping point

But everyone wants to be the center. The tip of the spear. ALL players want to glory and no one wants to be supporting

except maybe me

[silk igloo]

if the game had the frontline mechanic from Wargame and Steel Division, it'd solve everything

[worthy charm]

Once I ran around for 45 min in the enemy backline with my flamethrower and killed all their nodes and their commander like 3 times.

[silk igloo]

it's just so unintuitive for people to see that they've lost, even though they just crushed the enemy frontally to their point. It's arbitrary.

[fringe hollow]

not familiar with it and google is being useless

[thin lotus]

This write up as a gamemode makes sense. There is enough inherent restrictions that force players to be in relative proximity to their own team, and without the stupid randomness of current hlls “anyone can be anywhere at anytime and still dominate”

[silk igloo]

Basically most units generate a sphere of territory and you can see the enemy frontline move, just as they see yours, but you've no idea what units and how many are moving that frontline

[fringe hollow]

Partisan work has always been a thing. You can't just expect to be allowed to leave valuable things forgotten. You're at war, war isn't fair. But all is fair in love and war

[fringe hollow]

So you know the rough location of the enemy at all times and can then plan around that knowledge. I kinda like that

[silk igloo]

With some exceptions, like recon/ambush units not generating frontline and being able to sneak around, and some units like paratroopers not suffering from being surrounded by enemy frontline

[fringe hollow]

oh so being in enemy lines has a debuff? What kind? I assume since it's a wargame RTS, it's some weird stat that wouldn't translate well to FPS

[silk igloo]

Morale. Infantry falls back when they get shredded

Tanks get suppressed and back off

[fringe hollow]

yeah wouldn't translate well. It's a game, people don't actually care for their lives. This also causes ego peaking and rounding a corner prefiring because you don't fear getting shot

[silk igloo]

In a game like HLL it wouldnt matter, blobs would get eliminated

[thin lotus]

Black and white image and blurriness past 50m if you’re in territory that doesn’t belong to you

The prevalence of behind the lines gameplay is so stupid in hll

[silk igloo]

Could tie the frontline in HLL to where spawns are built instead.

[fringe hollow]

But if you manage to get behind the lines, why would you get punished in such an unrealistic and annoying way?

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

the commander, probably

[fringe hollow]

Can't put down spawns in enemy locations or the spawns have a debuff like increased time

[thin lotus]

Because the maps size as they are is no challenge to get behind the line

[wintry thistle]

Lone wolfing is a thing in the most realistic of FPS games

[thin lotus]

The maps are too damn wide

[cosmic pilot]

why doesn't anyone play skirmish

[silk igloo]

i'd play skirmish but people dont host it

[wintry thistle]

The most squad level communication you get in games like squad and 44
Is callouts and a general plan

(They are in the house, lets go in in it)

[cosmic pilot]

contemporary conflict be like, the map is too damn wide

[wintry thistle]

All gameplay should revolve around the very basic levels of communication that exist

[fringe hollow]

I would hate spawn die repeat style of gameplay. Forcing a bunch of people into a tiny section to fight over and ONLY do that is basically just COD

[thin lotus]

Because it’s a small scale gamemode in an fps game having one of the worst fps traits ever

[wintry thistle]

your never going to have a game that accurately depicts infantry combat

[cosmic pilot]

Bellum /s

[thin lotus]

DOA

[cosmic pilot]

if you prepurchase it you can play the beta

[thin lotus]

🙅‍♂️

[silk igloo]

I'd rather have a warfare that is only 400-600 meters wide, and patiently wait for tank support rather than venturing into the no-mans land, rather than the chaotic busywork it is now

I'd rather get crushed by enemy infantry and tanks every game

at least it would be glorious

[pale vapor]

There is one single game that does and i dont think game companies are allowed to depect it thats probably why all games are arcadey now. Its not cause its boring its cause its bad for morale

[fringe hollow]

I wish for more local communication in game. If you tell the guy next to you there is a guy, he can help you better than needing to search for the guy himself AND THEN engaging

[wintry thistle]

Reminds me a ton of ARMA reforger
Which depicts it well

[silk igloo]

Every time the enemy musters 3-4 tanks on an open map like Foy and just rolls you over with infantry support, you can just marvel at it

[fringe hollow]

care to name such a game?

[fringe hollow]

But there wouldn't be a counterplay or flanking option. It might bog down and be trench warfare without the trenches. Lines don't move because people just watch in front of them and always see you

Being able to out maneuver your enemies makes for a lot of fun and forces better stretegy than we had stronger things than you

[cosmic pilot]

well there's the secrete, you need both

[pale vapor]

its spearhead ultra hardcore on Arma(not base game) no text on screen, no hud, no names above ppl, no map marker only 1 spawn, very loud gun sounds that defean you and scare you irl. Crazy fog of war

It shows Actual infranty combat is mass confusion terror and bs

[silk igloo]

Imo there's not really any flanking options on Foy, Kursk or El Alamein because of how much can be covered by so little. It's still great.

[cosmic pilot]

and you can achieve that by making certain portions of the map more restricted than other parts

[fringe hollow]

What is the objective? Just capture the point with no hud?

[fringe hollow]

That's the point of those maps, they are wide and open. I wish there was more focus on non-urban warfare. Close fighting and flicking on people is boring after a billion hours of it

[silk igloo]

On the original El Alamein, to flank the middle point I'd find myself in the northern valley at map edge, and my squad would be checked by enemies spawning in their top HQ. Entire width of the map in use, cant leave the spot or the enemy takes it and rolls the next squad. It was great.

Spotting tanks and building AT guns there was useful enough

[cosmic pilot]

AT guns need a turnrate buff

[iron patrol]

no it is extremely boring

[fringe hollow]

Probably why tank warfare was so profound in Africa. This would be countered not by flanking then but by smoke cover, armor pushes, artillery hitting enemy locations

[silk igloo]

Like it's almost comical that enemies spawning in their top HQ are actually defending their mid

[fringe hollow]

Started watching a livestream of someone. It was classic Arma but instead of getting to shoot people, the first like hour was him driving to the front

Drive to the front, stand around without a clue where things are, have no communication between squads, get wiped by a random tank, rinse and repeat

[cosmic pilot]

sounds not dissimilar from flight sims

[fringe hollow]

Sounds very reliant on other players actually working together which is a niche concept itself

[cosmic pilot]

yeah, the combat part is the exciting part, but the take off and flight to the ao is as much a part of what you do when flying combat aircraft

[fringe hollow]

Even war thunder Air RB is boring as hell to me. 15 minutes to get shot down instantly and not be able to learn HOW to play the planes and instantly be sent back to queue to wait again

[iron patrol]

Which can never happen in an online game without having a clan of 20 to 50 people. Random people play for the sake of engagement (gun fight) and you can't achieve high level comms and coordination with 50 random people

[pale vapor]

classic arma is complete dif than spearhead UHC. Classic arma is arcadey af lol. Low gun sounds wierd fast straf speeds

[cosmic pilot]

it's because there's an insificiant level of simulation to make it interesting

however, it does not take much detail in simulation to make driving boring 😆

[fringe hollow]

Yes but usually clans get too serious and treat the game like it's a job. I want teamwork and communication without the stress of people being mad that the plan wasn't flawless

[fringe hollow]

Just because the guns sound war tape style doesn't make the gameplay any different

[silk igloo]

its always limited by the number of players, right. if we had an FPS MMO with a million players, like what WW2 online wanted, then realistic travel times would be effective

[fringe hollow]

You keep focusing on that as if it actually changes how people would play

[cosmic pilot]

someday 🙏

[fringe hollow]

foxhole but not top down

I'd play it

[cosmic pilot]

ww2 online easternfront so everyone can get it out of their systems

[fringe hollow]

but then we would have logistics again and the same problems foxhole has

[iron patrol]

Some older games achieved this through map design tbh. I will give same examples of Red Orchestra 1/2 and Rising Storm 1/2

[fringe hollow]

Yes, the game should force teamwork but not in a shoehorned way. It's kind of hard to get that anymore though when EVERYONE wants just to be in the action all the time constantly

[iron patrol]

Basically when you have compact maps, lots of engagement and required coordination of squads to capture or hold a point, almost every player coordinate. When you have gigantic maps and be like "Ok create a squad and coordinate now you insignificant grunts!" nobody actually coordinates. Very simple stuff missed by almost every single tactical shooter devs nowadays

[silk igloo]

Foxhole where the production is done by bot factories, like in WW2 online. I never played it much, neither foxhole, but taking players away from the actual game is so silly

[fringe hollow]

Things still need taken to the front, defenses still need built or would you just have big map, lot of people shooty shooty

[cosmic pilot]

so why does no one play skirmish mode

[wintry thistle]

There is never going to be a perfect war simulator

That's why even the most realistic games are arcade at it's core

[fringe hollow]

It was shoehorned into a game that had been defined by the large scale map gameplay. It probably wouldn't have bombed so hard if it was in from the start but it would just be tactical call of duty where the goal is to kill and kill and kill

[iron patrol]

Because skirmish mod is literally warfare with 1 objective? And entire HLL was not designed in the way I described

[cosmic pilot]

that's what you'd get with a more compact map for warfare

it's exactly what you said you want

[iron patrol]

that is not a compact map? You guys never played 32 vs 32 era of multiplayer games?

[pale vapor]

It takes like 5-10 min to get to front in the game mode. also thats realistic. In real life tactics dont plan out right. Irl you identify ur target before you shoot… there is an intense fog of war trying to figure out if its friend or foe

these games got yall just point clicking heads looking to see if theres no text on the screen

[fringe hollow]

Skirmish literally shrinks the playing area down. The map is compacted down to a smaller scale

[fringe hollow]

Yes, that's incredibly niche though and the vast majority of humans who game want the point and clicking heads, not that I agree with it

I also get it's realistic, I'm saying, again, that it's not fun to waste 5-10 minutes every life to get to the front

[iron patrol]

let me share an example: This is Pavlov's House map (Pavlov's house was a single map, not small chunk of a massive stalingrad map) in RO2

https://redorchestra.fandom.com/wiki/Pavlov's_House

This is a compact map.

[devout isle]

omg pavlov vr reference 😱 😱

[fringe hollow]

That's basically what skirmish does, just has a very bad choice of which point to play around

[iron patrol]

The map was not designed with "compact map" philosophy so it is not a compact. It just focuses on one single location of the big map.

Wheras a compact map is already designed with a whole different philosophy, so much more details, elevation etc. in a single map.

[fringe hollow]

This would be like making stalingrad's skirmish be centered on pavlov's house

[iron patrol]

That is not what skirmish does however. maybe my English is not enough to explain difference here

[iron patrol]

No because this pavlov's house map is at least 100 times more detailed, fleshed out then entire stalingrad map of HLL

[fringe hollow]

They could maybe just flesh out the whole map? If they focus on a location and then make it basically 1 to 1, they are making arcade shooter style maps.

Small area, tons of people, famous location

It's also very hard to do super detailed small locations when the game is meant to focus on a wide front

[iron patrol]

Believ me anyone who played Red Orchestra 1/2 and Rising Storm 1/2 will agree with me when I say they had smaller maps and were much more realistic than HLL

[fringe hollow]

I could also just be dense and stupid. I'm not known for understanding simple things

[iron patrol]

Yes, so they need to find a middle ground of 2 map design philosophy

Of course they need to flesh out objectives more. I agree totally

[fringe hollow]

Smaller maps allowed for better detail since adding a lot of detail over a massive map would bloat the game and make it run horribly

[iron patrol]

Please watch any youtube video of Grain Elevator, Apartments, Spartanovka, Winterwald, Barracks, Coldsteel, Rakowice, Station or Pavlov's House from Red Orchestra 2. Those maps were not tiny arenas of course. But small compared to HLL maps. But you might understand my point better if you see it with your own eyes

Basically maps were designed in a way that required team effort to capture or hold objectives. Gunplay was peak. So people didn't require constant voice communication just to do something. Instead players naturally contributed to team and understood the task

[fringe hollow]

The small scale of the maps also allowed for players to focus on holding a small building or a street corner. HLL capture points are multibuilding and the soft capture expands to the surrounding area.

The team needs to work harder to keep a hold on such a large area and I think that's where the teamwork breaks down vs RO2

they also need to work harder because they need to capture a whole separate part of the city as a main goal

instead of capturing 3 buildings down

[iron patrol]

I doubt they need to work harder in HLL since most matches I see are one sided

If your enemy didn't build garries you just speedrun

[fringe hollow]

In an ideal world. Public matches are horrible examples of how HLL should be played

[iron patrol]

So you don't even see any effort in at least half of matches. There is no established quality of HLL matches

[fringe hollow]

Mostly because who can get 49 other people to follow a solid plan

[iron patrol]

However most people play public matches. Including me. And it gets tiresome

[fringe hollow]

Everyone has their own plan and no one wants to work together to find one single plan that works.

[fringe hollow]

I only play public and it does get tiring

[iron patrol]

Then maps should be designed in a way that makes people naturally follow objectives and plans. While palying Rising Storm 2, I was a well known good player in campaign servers and whenever I got Vietcong commander role, i could make 32 players in my team listen to "hold spawn" to not waste tickets before using commander ability to spawn everyone around me. Now as commander I was able to speak to entire team with my microphone.

Here in HLL, average squadmate is at mercy of their officer about learning about general plan of team

That is in my opinion counter productive

[iron patrol]

Same. I am not saying HLL is a horrible game but it could be a GREAT game

[fringe hollow]

Chain of command is a barrier more than it helps or feels immersive. People somehow don't get that being a squad leader means you are partially responsible for how the game flows and helping commander

Everyone thinks squad leaders only lead squads but everyone should work together and see their squads as an extension of themselves. SL says jump, the infantry should say how high while already in the air

[ebon blaze]

Lucky arc raiders is out coz hll is in a STATE

[fringe hollow]

Isn't that a horrible third person extraction shooter with abilities?

no thanks, you have fun

[iron patrol]

I totally agree with you Minty. I played the game Squad a lot as well. That was also a problem there. But I blame devs and design choices for this issue.

[ebon blaze]

At least it didn't get updated to look like dog poo

[iron patrol]

Also being an officer/squad lead is not rewarding or fun in contemporary tactical shooters.

[fringe hollow]

It's a mixed bag of faults. The new players for not wanting to learn correctly, the vets for not teaching correctly, and the devs for many many other reasons

[fringe hollow]

Console L. Not a me L

actually a dev L but console is getting the shaft for no reason

[fringe hollow]

Extraction shooter alone is enough to make me hate it, just not my style. But to add third person to it? 3 peaking is abused in every single game ever and is a plague I would rather avoid. All opinions

[ebon blaze]

I just prefer playing arc raiders because the devs aren't mobile devs and know how to update a game

[iron patrol]

I mean HLL, squad etc. has identity issues so there is actually no correct way of playing. You can't expect 50 random people on a team to be placed on a map with sandbox design and all of them to play in a certain way

[iron patrol]

couldn't agree more lol

[fringe hollow]

I forget that other people don't work like me. I have one genre I like while everyone else just are dopamine addicts who chase the next bandwagon high

[fringe hollow]

No, but it just makes sense that the focus should be to attack the enemy and defend your area. Working together with a bunch of other players to figure out the best way to do that just makes sense. If you want to forsake objectives and only focus on kills, go play an arcade shooter with a TDM mode (not actually you)

[iron patrol]

Exactly the problem. I also play Ready or Not so you can guess im closer to you in terms of game play preference. But honestly game design doesn't allow such thing to happen.

[wintry thistle]

Extraction shooter slop

[fringe hollow]

RoN is so much fun but I don't have friends and it's only fun with friends to me

haven't played much because of that

[iron patrol]

Of course. But my idea is that if we had smaller (not tiny) maps, more small details, more buildings to enter, and more rewards for capturing objectives, and maybe even a ticket system (commander can buy tickets with manpower maybe?) things would be different.

Tickets to respawn is actually a good way to make people stick to a plan

[iron patrol]

Yeah i try to play with friends. If you play on european servers we can play together sometimes. Dont trust my internet to play with north america

[fringe hollow]

Ticket systems have always been a good idea to me. It would maybe prevent just throwing bodies at the problem.

[novel geyser]

I love ron but man the devs seem to not know how the game should play

[fringe hollow]

if you don't guide the blueberries well enough, you waste all your blueberries

[novel geyser]

I think for HLL tickets would be good but not purely finite

[fringe hollow]

It's because they don't actually play the game seriously ever

[novel geyser]

like the resource system exists albeit bad

[novel geyser]

They cant decide if it should play like swat 4 or rainbow six vegas

[fringe hollow]

resources are a holdover from beta with BM iirc. Should have been changed ages ago

[iron patrol]

Because devs don't play on public servers. We had same problem in squad and i eventually just gave up on that game. I really want to learn what kind of audience they try to cater to

[novel geyser]

resources were probably always meant to stick around but BM got lazy on their design around it

[fringe hollow]

The ones who throw money at DLCs and don't question anything

[novel geyser]

dunno how much them playing on a public server will do much
I play it solo with the bots, I prefer to do that personally

one big problem tho is the maps seem designed purely around multiplayer

[iron patrol]

i thought we were talking about hll

[novel geyser]

oh nah lol

HLL on the other hand I dont even know what the devs think sometimes

[iron patrol]

True. I'm kinda surprised that after many tactical shooters we saw in market, none of the devs of any games actually manage to create a well popular and functioning game. This might be why I always refer to Red Orchestra/Rising Storm because they were peak tactical shooters

[novel geyser]

SPAs as a "replacement" for arty when mortars were probably the most requested thing is just weird

[iron patrol]

Artillery when uninterrupted was devestating. I could get 50+ kills easily if no recon hunted me before update. I kinda understand why artillery + commander ability artillery was not a popular thing. But i also can't understand why they didn't add mortars. SPA was unasked for

[novel geyser]

Hardcore shooters rarely get much love from larger companies because of how neiche they are
RO/RS truly are gems tho with devs that truly cared about what they were making

[fringe hollow]

It doesn't replace though, they still have static arty so it's just a workaround to actually fixing artillery with a socalled "rework"

[novel geyser]

yep thats why "replace" is in quotations

[iron patrol]

They don't need to be hardcore shooters like ARMA tbh. RO/RS established a good philosophy and example. Why no devs try to improve them?

[novel geyser]

RO/RS is "hardcore"

[iron patrol]

I also don't understand why we have medic in HLL

[novel geyser]

Arma I'd consider an actual milsim

[iron patrol]

Oh ok I agree with you totally

[fringe hollow]

Ah, my bad

[thin lotus]

RO/RS were good because they weren’t chock full of tedium in an effort to be a “hardcore” shooter game. The focus was combat, and it was good at that. It didn’t have to advertise itself as having overly huge maps and extraneous branches of “tactical” busy work that serve no purpose but to waste the players’ time.

[faint portal]

that new arty scope is THICCCCC

why does it look like that LOL

(for context working on adding SPA's to armor hub for everyone 🙂 )

[iron patrol]

I couldn't agree more and this is what I tried to say @fringe hollow . Chum summarized it better than me

And yet RO/RS were much more tactical, engaging and hardcore than any shooter in the market today...

[thin lotus]

Too many “realistic/tactical/hardcore” shooter games lose the plot in what players actually want to do in a game. And it’s not “building nodes” lemme tell you.

[ebon blaze]

Nah I reckon arc is more fun right now and looks and sounds better than hll

Let's turn this into an arc raiders chat

[iron patrol]

Totally agreed. Building is for minecraft and fortnite

[devout isle]

what about brick rigs

[pale vapor]

arc is a menu sim

Its content is smoke and mirrors

[fringe hollow]

explain how? Kinda wondering how bad it can get

[slate canopy]

No

You are free to compare to Arc but if you wanna talk about, take it to offtopic #off-topic-mess-hall

[devout isle]

i hate it when servers punish you for not having an officer in the squad

i was the only one defending a point and it "punished" me and killed me

and the enemies overran the point and we lost

[slate canopy]

Every squad should have an officer 😅

And you should have more than 1 person defending

[thin lotus]

Better punish the whole squad!

[slate canopy]

Not your fault you lost it. Team failed you

[devout isle]

i joined a full squad 6/6

[fringe hollow]

it makes sense in theory but when the warning comes, everyone just abandons and joins a new squad. No one wants to SL ever for some reason

[devout isle]

it had an officer.. but as i was defending it killed me

[slate canopy]

So you lost your officer.

[devout isle]

yes

and i didnt know and it killed me

[fringe hollow]

It would be cool if the script could just prevent people from spawning with no officer. Why kill players who are in the middle of a fight and can't just abandon the point to get a new officer

but I know it likely cant

[slate canopy]

But again, your team failed itself. If you were the only one defending, the team didn't pay attention to defense.

[clear crystal]

Updates on blurry graphics on console?🙏

[devout pulsar]

This is hell let loose, we don’t do hotfixes here, they’ll break something else in update 20 and update 21 will be fixing the blurry graphics

[past vortex]

i see you are an optimist

[devout pulsar]

If we can’t even manage to change the name of the guns on the new vehicles and they all say they’re an OQF 57m or have consistent spelling through the game for classes then why do you expect something that might be difficult to fix done in less than 6 months

[clear crystal]

Would rather be playing without the new update than with blurriness and stuttering

[devout pulsar]

Welcome to the post update 18 party

[slate canopy]

It's being worked on.

[clear crystal]

Appreciate the confirmation, curious if it’s likely to happen sooner or in the coming weeks? Tough to play rn but understand it’s not just flipping a switch

[silk igloo]

it's basically a sweatshop

[slate canopy]

We literally have no clue. The last confirmation by the community manager was "We are currently testing a fix and are looking to deliver this ASAP to you".

[clear crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/war-1000-yard-stare-gif-10147302364842942579

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ I don't work for Team17... and it's bed time for them so they are probably snoozin 😴

[clear crystal]

Ur all good, nw

[worthy charm]

Those lazy devs dont work 1 am

[slate canopy]

How DARE they sleep 😒

Also shouldn't YOU be sleepin? 😛

[worthy charm]

I dont have any lesson today

so no

[echo karma]

https://tenor.com/view/vaal-vaal-orb-path-of-exile-path-of-exile-2-poe-gif-18331368137940690346

[past vortex]

how

[worthy charm]

I dont know

[past vortex]

i thought that doesnt happen on a fachhochschule

much less in the 1st semester

[worthy charm]

Not at all

Though I have a lesson on Saturday...

[gentle lintel]

I’ll teach you a lesson 📏

[iron patrol]

it is not rewarding and very boring that is why. But I do my part and become officer sometimes because someone has to do it...

[river rover]

ℹ️ NVIDIA GAME READY DRIVER 591.44 WHQLℹ️
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/results/258745/

[umbral osprey]

This is my biggest problem in the game. My main wish as SL is that they make comms more manageable somehow. Even then maybe it's just a personality thing with people being too shy to take the lead.

[past vortex]

id play sl all day if it had a satchel :}

[silk igloo]

You get used to the comms, in the beginning I was paralyzed by it all. But sure, maybe it shouldn't be overwhelming - but to decrease the need for useful info, the game would have to slow down altogether. Like if there wasn't enemy supply drops, airheads or enemies teleporting behind us, we wouldn't need to call them out...

[fringe hollow]

I usually just sigh and try my best to fill what the team is lacking, usually always it's defense

[umbral osprey]

My main struggle at first was getting over the feeling of wanting to understand and quickly be on top of everything I was hearing. And I was thinking about quality of life things, like giving us the option to set priorities so one channel's volume is decreased when both are active, or only having command chat in one ear or something.

[umbral osprey]

Right, and often it has to happen quickly so you don't want to wait for someone else to volunteer first

[fringe hollow]

pulling from squad and making one ear squad, the other command is such a simple but very useful change that could be made

[fringe hollow]

Exactly. If I SL, it's usually only a single match because it drains me so much unless I have a good enough squad

[shell bone]

Has the new anti tank rifle gone live?

[umbral osprey]

Same. It really is a lot for me. Sometimes I wish I was one of those squad leaders that was ok with just deciding attack/defense, placing a few outposts and marking some things every now and then.

[umbral osprey]

I've seen some people say that it doesn't help but I find that hard to believe. We should at least have the option to do that by now.

[main lance]

immediately turn off this air siren on stalingrad, why tf is it blaring for 90 minutes straight.

[livid saffron]

You support a ban on camping HQ

[umbral osprey]

Just make it so HQ can't get blocked

A team that's on their last point with enemies at their HQ is already enough of a disadvantage

[past vortex]

its ok, when you get to the last points with no backups its better when its over fast

[umbral osprey]

Never ever give up lol

Maybe let the HQ be blocked but have people deploy by parachute 20 meters above the spawn so they can be farmed from the sky but also have a chance to escape 😆

[past vortex]

i always try to have a backup garry build when it looks like we go to the last point
when that fails team is hopeless

[fringe hollow]

The city is being bombed? Still makes no sense but eh, atmophere I guess

[obtuse dragon]

Hope they change the soviet victory theme

The pre-war (1938) version of "if tomorrow brings war" or the march of the defenders of moscow (1941-1942) would be amazing to hear

i think i said this before today but seriously, it would fit way better than the current one, since that one (invincible and legendary) was made during 1945 instead of 1941 and i think that the game uses a version of 1976

which tbh is... kinda weird, the first maps of hll for the soviets were stalingrad and kursk, why would they add a 1945 song for a faction that played during 1942 and 1943 when they launched?

[past vortex]

typical ai lapsus

[obtuse dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823506617247989821/1443758925307711630/SmartSelect_20230822_112206_YouTube.gif

soviets deserve "our guard" from 1944 🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥

[humble lotus]

artillery being locked to an artillery squad does not seem worth

armour squads at least should still be able to use it along with commander

[graceful solstice]

Please remove the new death screen and not even make it a option. does not belong in HLL at all

[humble lotus]

what do you want an armour squad to do while waiting for a tank?

[gray lagoon]

Its so easy to turn it off. What does it matter to you if other people see it

[graceful solstice]

When i first got the game one of the biggest selling points to me was that u didnt know who killed you. at very minium it should be off my default not on (as it currently is) so other people can fall in love with this game also

[obtuse dragon]

i love how the devs could have just, yk, added it to the normal black screen instead of making a new screen for it

[timid rampart]

100% agree, because of my autism (i think?) i cannot filter out sounds, if over 2 people are speaking, absolutely NO ONE is getting their request

[gray lagoon]

While I do agree that seeing who kills you isn't the greatest change, I think the new screen is good

[pale vapor]

is it just me who wants to see some sort of slight head bobble when running

Swear looking at a completely still screen while running is pretty off putting. Its like youre some floating gun hovering over the ground, looking at a still image lol

[obtuse dragon]

motion sickness would go crazy

[past vortex]

just use freelook to make it shake as much as you want :}

[graceful solstice]

man even when i turn off the lame new death screen it still says killed by opposite team. Miss the straight black background with no info

[pallid summit]

Why can I never find any full servers

Or am I just super unlucky

[slate canopy]

Crossplay on?

[little burrow]

Anyone notice a downgrade in graphics with new update?

[past vortex]

known bug on ps

[little burrow]

Oh ok thank you!

[pliant stone]

Test

Huh

[ancient harness]

I make shovel tournaments with my crew

And/or kill the enemy recon

[pure mirage]

Fix the graphics

[arctic rampart]

I am in a seminaaar hallpp!1

[past veldt]

The crewmen can now go build their own repair stations. Have them spawn forward and get them built in the areas you want them

[obtuse dragon]

kill each other

[arctic rampart]

Throw smokes in random vehicles as well

[hazy owl]

was it always +20 defensive points per minute?

[lofty anvil]

No cos it fkin crashes before I can even play

On smolensk at least. Managed to get on st Marie once, and the SPA is useless. Another pointless update. Should just give up at this point

[nova pivot]

[umbral osprey]

I'm also autistic. That might really be a part of it. Maybe others have the same problem but they're just more comfortable missing things and letting things slide. Fortunately the improvements and norms that would make comms better for us would make it better for everyone.

[gilded spade]

@fluid pawn did the devs already seen the problem with their own eyes what PS5 players problem atm is?
Can we have an update pls

[atomic pendant]

They posted a telegram acknowledging it the day U19 was released. They'll get it patched soon I'm sure.

[dim snow]

They won’t fix the performance though, will they

[gilded spade]

I’ve read that telegram. To my knowledge it only says “we’ve seen your feedback” and not “we’ve have now seen it ourselves by turning on our PS5”
Because they claim not to have seen this in testing

[finite berry]

They won't be able to fix the game's performance in one update anyway. Unless you're referring to the performance on Smolensk.

[faint portal]

100% can confirm they know about it and are working on it.
I personally cannot say too much but I can say they have planned the release in which they could have time to patch for bugs etc prior to holidays.
That's pretty standard with most games this season, they all pushed updates this week

[dim snow]

Yes, they should just stick to western front maps at this point, at least we know they’ll run normally.

[onyx cave]

That would be so boring

[dim snow]

Still tons you could add. Battle of France/Low Countries 1940, more market garden maps, 1945 western front maps like in west Germany

[atomic pendant]

I get the frustration from the console players but I don't know how they can more clearly state that they are aware of this exact issue and are actively working on a fix ASAP LOL

[fluid pawn]

Hey mattie, I can confirm that the team are working on a fix to the console blurriness issue as part of a hotfix. At this time it looks like it will be ready to go next week and I'll be issuing a #telegrams shortly with an update for everyone. We want to get this to you ASAP I can reassure you of that 🫡

[onyx cave]

I'm really bored of french maps. They're all the same and it's all that gets played. They're good maps but I don't want to play them all the time. If they want to do more French maps they have to go with the British faction.

[echo karma]

Whats Greg think?

[echo karma]

Apparently it's affecting pc players as well as pet reddit.

My guess they changed something cuz the fps is gonna tank on the new map?

[novel geyser]

What's horse think?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/symboli-rudolf-67-meme-uma-musume-umamusume-gif-8354787702994742859

[atomic pendant]

Hm. Haven't seen reports of the graphics issues on PC nor experienced them myself after several games. You said it was reported on Reddit?

[past vortex]

smolensk is really hard on fps, so anyone with a weak gpu has stuttering
night mode is crazy bad for fps

[fluid pawn]

Comparatively to console, I've seen very little in the way of graphics issues. It's more frame drops as Huk said I beleive

[past vortex]

yo ben why lie about the min requirements for the game

[past vortex]

the burning houses kill fps hard at night

unplayable

[fringe hollow]

potato PCs likely. Posting specs should follow complaints on graphics, frames, and the like

[grizzled kiln]

🥔

[cosmic pilot]

Most games should be able to achieve comparative or better visuals on 10 year old hardware

[fringe hollow]

do you just lurk to try countering everyone's points?

[cosmic pilot]

I feel called out

[fringe hollow]

good

[cosmic pilot]

[past vortex]

when a game that did run on a weak pc doesnt run anymore after an upgrade its clearly the games fault

and if you look at the official min specs.... :D

[fringe hollow]

I was referring to the complaints about the whole game being bad on PC. If smolensk has issues then yes it's the game. New thing shouldn't out demand old thing

min specs usually require lower settings but I assume you have that already

[broken shoal]

Squad runs fine in low spec PC's after the UE5 update. Clearly a dev problem

[past vortex]

idk where you live...
game was already amongst the worse in resource efficency
any step to the worse is ridiculous

[grizzled kiln]

min specs should be all set to lowest.

[fringe hollow]

It's also not wise to go by min specs. Recommended is recommended for a reason

[grizzled kiln]

even recommended is usually more like min spec

[past vortex]

thats the thing... the graphics settings make almost no difference

[nova pivot]

We have those in console too👌

[fringe hollow]

I see recommended as average settings. From experience at least between other games

[grizzled kiln]

because the game is poorly optimized it wont

[past vortex]

if you go by min specs we should all have 200 fps

[fringe hollow]

basically medium-high but not the ultra deluxe everyone wants

[past vortex]

you have no idea what you are talking about

[fringe hollow]

Sorry sorry FROM EXPERIENCE, see above

[grizzled kiln]

you're not wrong. Unfortunately the Squad devs aren't working on HLL 😄 so there's that

[past vortex]

so what gpu you thin is needed ?

[fringe hollow]

Idk, I have a 3060 and it works fine so why should I care anymore?

this is also from experience in other games

[past vortex]

and thats not even the point... it is about the updates making it even worse

[fringe hollow]

I'm not saying they aren't?

[past vortex]

what stable fps do you get?

[grizzled kiln]

the game is slowly degrading in both performance and looks

[fringe hollow]

idk man. I don't study my specs or even care that much

[grizzled kiln]

go and find some vids of the early versions and you'd think it was a different game altogether

[past vortex]

yea, hence what i said about your ideas

[fringe hollow]

it doesnt tank so not bad for me i guess

I wasn't giving ideas or making suggestions, I was just talking

why would you listen to me? I'm really fkin stupid