mess-hall

[sturdy quarry]

i dunno about this, poor testing shows more incompetence than not testing

[harsh egret]

Checks out. Game is only for PC players. Consoles got left out behind the shed a long time ago.

[echo karma]

How can you optimize for 2k pc but not 3 consoles?

[misty belfry]

smolensk is lit

[fringe hollow]

god I love "new map 24/7 for the first day" syndrome instead of just making it more common

only for it to fade away and be played as often as remagen

[misty belfry]

i didnt like remagen or mortain from the start. this map is fun for semi casual, theres so much height

[harsh egret]

You don't like getting artied on a bridge for 45 minutes straight or hiding in bushes?

[misty belfry]

comp players will cry because they need new cheese

[fringe hollow]

urban is usually much better for the brainless run n gunner, yes. Still a little annoying not to see anything else for a bit

[misty belfry]

mortain is cooked .. too much foilage

[fringe hollow]

Different maps bring different playstyles (remagen doesnt count). I think people are too stuck in the same maps and can't change tactics

[misty belfry]

yeh there are movement meta maps for sure, all the normandy ones

[steep gale]

Mortain is great as long as you actually use cover. Fighting over the church is always intense. Mortain hate seems forced

[fringe hollow]

boring, overplayed, never ending

it's literally utah, SMDM, omaha, SME, repeat

[harsh egret]

I'm alright with Mortain as a map, but again the performance. I can't even use my main weapons (rifles) because it is impossible to aim with 1 fps.

[misty belfry]

i just didnt like the complexity of mortain, it was too much to learn

[fringe hollow]

another console L and big part of T17 too

[brave vessel]

Guys why is my game 720p

[misty belfry]

mortain would be better if they cleaned it up a bit

[brave vessel]

Does anyone have an answer on that? PS5 new update deadass looks 720p

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[brave vessel]

Still the same old 45 FPS though, just looks way worse now

[nova pivot]

Mortain is good

[mint idol]

Where

Why do i hear a dog

[fringe hollow]

immersion

[mint idol]

:(

no puppies

[stuck wigeon]

alright fellas what do we think of the update

is it a good time to return to hell let loose

[scarlet ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[worthy charm]

Why would you be shocked, not like its the first time. :}

[neat urchin]

How broken is it this time?

[worthy charm]

Depends

[scarlet ginkgo]

New Map is Nice, Just Graphics are hideous & few more maps affected.
Everything has a weird Blur to it, Would be good XBOX360 Elite Graphics though.
Running round New Map gives Fallout 3 vibes cos of the poor textures

[broken shoal]

just came back t know what problems the new update brought

[gaunt cedar]

Console looks like a potato

PC release appears to be fine other than some teething issues for server owners with RCON.

[broken shoal]

all latam servers use recon, we are cooked

[gentle lintel]

Get a real job and buy a PC

I’m totally kidding please no one take this seriously

[slow bramble]

Good work on the map

Playing it now

It's dense and pretty sick (y)

[gaunt cedar]

They allege ‘no changes to RCON’ yet shadow dropped 15+ changes to RCON, leaving the CRCON team in the lurch lol

[worthy charm]

The second part would have to be small... 1/10 mod joke attempt.

[eager orbit]

I am glad for all fixes and balance changes (not sure about 3 rockets for AT guy yet, seems to be too punishing for tank 😬 )

[simple mirage]

yep nothing under maps in CRCON and no live data

[sturdy quarry]

didnt they say that wouldnt happen again after U18 farce?

[broken shoal]

what in the hell the menu screen hasnt been updated or is only me?

[analog apex]

not as much when at least 2 rockets needed to kill a recon tank now (at least from what I understand)

[slow bramble]

I think its great 🤷‍♂️

[neat urchin]

The graphics have been getting worse with each update. The rendering is terrible these days as well

[slow bramble]

Also thanks for maintaining the linux support

[neat urchin]

on what? it's either good or its broken lol

[eager orbit]

thats right, however in case of medium tank ... 3 rockets to destroy medium when 3 rockets are in AT guy inventory. I like recon tank buff

[worthy charm]

#mess-hall message
Depends on your platfrom mostly

PC is fine I guess, but what should I say...

I never had any issue on this PC

not even with U18

[gaunt cedar]

Yeah well they shadow dropped this with like a days notice

What's changed;

• Removed kills and deaths field of player information, replaced it with stats
• Removed vipPlayerIds field of GetVipUsers command, replaced it with vipPlayers
• Added mapId field to server session
• Added currentIndex field to map sequence
• Added new commands:
  • GetAutoBalanceEnabled
  • GetAutoBalanceThreshold
  • GetHighPingThreshold
  • GetKickIdleDuration
  • GetTeamSwitchCooldown
  • GetVoteKickEnabled
  • GetVoteKickThreshold
  • MessageAllPlayers

Also VIP players returns Id and comment now

[harsh egret]

Well, it used to be two, and if you were in a German medium, they HAD to be in your fuel tank to do any damage at all to your hull.

Then the insane tank rework happened and upset all the balance.

Now, bazookas can kill your panzer 4 to the side plate with 3 shots and have 3 rockets. gg.

[analog apex]

+the constant hitreg issues that are not just about infantry small arms, but AT rockets too - before U19 you needed 2 rockets to kill a medium. But only if the hitreg was fine... which very often isn't and we needed 3 rockets often even before U19.

Now, with U19 we need at least 3 and if hitreg comes in, it may very well be 4 rockets required (or possibly even 5 in the worst hitreg bad luck case).

[worthy charm]

Skill issue

[vale garnet]

Oh no it’s the same as axis AT? The horror

[worthy charm]

Just be better

[eager orbit]

btw, Puma has insane health bar on Turret (13 turret shots to destroy Puma with bazooka)

[vale garnet]

Axis AT could front pen the medium for years suddenly when allies can it’s a problem

[dusty bolt]

Another Team17 banger 🔥 QA hit it out of the park with this one! Finally a nearly flawless update

[eager orbit]

the META shifted from heavy tanks into medium tanks... so yea, it was needed

[analog apex]

rly or sarcasm?

[worthy charm]

*for PC (mostly)

-# If youre lucky

[harsh egret]

The German has a bolt action and a far harder rocket sight to aim. Historically, the panzerschreck had better armor penetration than the bazooka, so the pre-U18 model worked well. The tradeoff was that US had a semi auto rifle and an easier rocket to shoot, but had to place their shots better.

Now the US side is just objectively better. lol

[dusty bolt]

Do you know me to be sarcastic

[cyan saddle]

Nah. The changes have been known for months. Only the exact release date was communicated with "only" a few days notice.

The real problem here is that no one, myself included, has done anything with it.

[analog apex]

idk

[vale garnet]

And axis have STGs and MG42s.

AT balance is good for game balance

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[analog apex]

I was asking seriously

[harsh egret]

Game was totally fine balance wise before U18

Oh well

[eager orbit]

except heavy tank one-hitting everything except another heavy tank 😄

[broken shoal]

feels like the ping increased for all servers client side

[harsh egret]

You get 2 STGs per squad assuming people have assault rank 9. Give me a break. Allies get tons of M1s versus tons of Bolt actions.

Balance of gameplay and historical accuracy was just fine.

[gentle vector]

is it impossible to not scuff a update

[vale garnet]

Tons of bolt actions? It’s 1 per squad

That’s if you’re full time AT which nobody is

Absolute delusion in chat god damn

[harsh egret]

The majority of people in the server are running a loadout with a K98 versus the m1 garand on the other side is the point

[finite berry]

Based

[cosmic pilot]

And yet, axis wins more

[harsh egret]

You act like the team is just full of Stgs and Mg42s

[frail heath]

Smolensk is having quite a bit of micro stutters here, haven't had that issue with other maps

[vale garnet]

Are you forgetting the g43 exists?

How god awful are the servers you play on if everyone on axis is using the kar

[harsh egret]

On 3 classes, one is the last officer loadout and one is a class hardly anyone uses (rifleman).

I am talking about the average casual lobby gameplay here which is what a game should be balanced around (average user experience)

[cosmic pilot]

It's first time shader compiling

It may subside

[analog apex]

1 G43 SL
1 STG Assault
1 MP40 AT
1 MP40 Support
2 G43 Riflemen

Kar98K where? 😄

[vale garnet]

For once I agree with sam wow

[main lance]

I am pro anything that punishes the metal box people 😏

[vale garnet]

This

[frail heath]

Ah I see. We shall know in a few hours then I guess

[harsh egret]

So we are just assuming everyone in every lobby has all classes rank 10 I guess which is simply never the case but ok

[broken shoal]

feels like servers increased by 50 píng

[gentle vector]

games been out for years + builder servers

[novel geyser]

thats just... this game

[harsh egret]

Like I said nobody is running g43 rifleman in pubs. Maybe me and one other guy in a 50 man team lol.

[vale garnet]

Again, you playing on awful servers is not a sample size

[harsh egret]

Sure bud

[vale garnet]

I haven’t seen a k98 rifleman in weeks

[gentle vector]

what servers are you playing

[harsh egret]

Cuz nobody plays rifleman at all doofus

That's the point

[gentle vector]

is this ragebait

[vale garnet]

Again hilariously untrue

I think you may be playing on the worst servers in all mankind do you need to be rescued

[harsh egret]

PC has a healthier playerbase so there is that component. It's bad out here for consoles even in most community servers.

[analog apex]

and omg I have to agree with you as well heh

[worthy charm]

I believe its more of a PC/Console difference. PC Players usually have (on average) better aim.

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-master-race-gaming-the-feels-gtx1080-gif-7941212

[worthy charm]

Especially after U18 where everyone got a sniperscope

[grizzled kiln]

PCMR ❤️

[vale garnet]

I hate the FOV changes so much

[analog apex]

so... they kept the ADS FOV slider in? 🤮

[vale garnet]

I play 120/60 and it feels unfair

[worthy charm]

Because it is kind of

[vale garnet]

I got 97 in an event last night and most of those shots were tiny left lean pixels

Old FOV I probably don’t hit them

[neat urchin]

Remember when they changed the sprint speed a few times 😅 good times

[vale garnet]

Fast sprint was better

With the old vaulting

[analog apex]

and Ctrl+Jump

and no teleports into the skies for split of a second, revealing our position almost every time we climb/mantle over something

[neat urchin]

The first dolphin dive was fun too

[grizzled kiln]

HLL, COD edition

[harsh egret]

The point I was trying to make is that your "Germans have STG and MG42" argument is flawed, because those weapons are very restricted in class composition. The balance is there overall because while those particular weapons may be better than their Allied counterparts, the standard issue weapons available to all US classes (m1 garand) outshine the standard issue weapons for Germans. Allies also have solid SMGs, AR, and MG options so I just don't buy into this Germans too good because STG argument.

[vale garnet]

And that’s why axis is by far stronger statistically?

[neat urchin]

I stopped playing BF cause its like Cod.

[grizzled kiln]

Same...

[harsh egret]

Skill issue 😎

[grizzled kiln]

Are they though ? in comp perhaps

[novel geyser]

cod mentioned

[vale garnet]

Oh I don’t have an issue I prefer allies, but the stats are what they are, axis win more

Maybe that’s down to cringe wehraboos only playing axis though

[worthy charm]

The Axis/US discussion is about the same as the Warden/Colonial discussion in Foxhole....

Never goes anywhere and people get mad at each other

Fun

[neat urchin]

Now FG42 with Bipod. Even tho i woulda took Semi auto over Bipod anyday

[harsh egret]

Same here

[vale garnet]

Not so much, we know axis is stronger

[novel geyser]

Im still grumpy about them giving the bar a bipod for AR

[harsh egret]

I cant even tap fire it without spraying a 3 round burst lol

[vale garnet]

If you had identical players, axis would win the majority

[neat urchin]

i dont understand why they cant add the fast/slow fire rate for the Bar and Semi auto for the FG42. Also the barrel change for the MG42. @fluid pawn Please make it happen. 🙏

[novel geyser]

yeah people get too caught up in the m1 garand vs kar98k debate they forget about literally every other factor like other weapons and tanks

[harsh egret]

I still think they should buff the greasegun 🙂 just give it less bounce or something redeeming

[main lance]

Now we’re talking, bring back the only skill gap

[neat urchin]

M1 vs g43*

[analog apex]

GreaseGun is a headshot maker

[neat urchin]

MP40 if its upper 1/3 of the body

[harsh egret]

It is the most inconsistent gun in the game. Beaming one match, hitmarker machine the next.

[misty belfry]

fire select could be one off those hard wired in the code things thats a pain in the azz

[main lance]

Grease gun is not for gun fighting, it’s a paintball gun you prefire corners at head level, bullets are so slow people can’t peak you

[neat urchin]

If hit reg worked correctly it would all be good.

[nova pivot]

Skill issue

You have to stroke the trigger

[harsh egret]

Definitely

My stroke game is off lately. My girl even left me.

[analog apex]

but ofc, when the skilled player has a semi-auto and he is against the grease gunner of the same skill level, the semi-auto rifle usually wins

[misty belfry]

was wondering why shes at mine

[nova pivot]

It's okay mate come here🫂

[neat urchin]

IM sure but you added a bipod instead or to me something that would be easier. It's an annimation and some code. Can't be too different from the Bipod code right?

[nova pivot]

You deserved someone better anyway

[misty belfry]

maybe, but less requested

[neat urchin]

Probably but the MG 42 barrel change has been requested since 2017 i think

they have the annimation as well lol

[misty belfry]

barrel change aint happening

[neat urchin]

And that's what T17 has it's rep lol

[nova pivot]

A cool and realistic mechanic to balance the MGs ? Nah why would they do that?

[analog apex]

and the animation/mechanics for it has already been implemented in the pre-alpha and showcased
... but in our accessible HLL game, was never present sadly

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fexternal-preview.redd.it%2FxGE-I1aELChKQDHxYlPuAv7ambXHhiMaVWeY6h9Bkow.gif%3Fwidth%3D480%26format%3Dmp4%26s%3D90480f0f05837955379914bfa57023236dbe6ceb

[novel geyser]

lets not also forget the mgs have way more bullets than the drums they have in can hold

[neat urchin]

Big L to me

[misty belfry]

the game is balanced enough, otherwise comps wouldnt exist. All else is tweak

[novel geyser]

people will comp anything

[pearl ledge]

any point reinstalling this game to try the update? or is the game still a steaming pile

[novel geyser]

the new map is cool but its still HLL

[cosmic pilot]

It's simple stuff like this I don't know why the don't change

[neat urchin]

would also help so guys can push certain areas instead of getting suppressed by the full length MG42 belt

[novel geyser]

I know why
people would kick up a fuss

[neat urchin]

You can comp any game lol

[pearl ledge]

still a steaming pile. Got it.

[novel geyser]

Hll is certainly "balanced" but not balanced well

[misty belfry]

only comp players can determine that, cos they'll squeeze any known advantage

[novel geyser]

best to just not listen to comp players

[tardy lark]

What is a comp player ? Computer ?

[novel geyser]

competitive

[worthy charm]

Competitive

[tardy lark]

Haaa haha ok thanks from France

[novel geyser]

as in people who play orginised competitive matches

[misty belfry]

we need comp, semi cas and full cas players in HLL, thats what makes it work

[analog apex]

as in people who squeeze every single bit of their knowledge of the game, in order to gain advantage 😄
moral or not, sportsmen-like or not

[misty belfry]

^^

[novel geyser]

as in people who get in a huff when exploits are patched out

[harsh egret]

Utilizing all the game knowledge to legally exploit any and every game mechanic to get an edge. That summs up comp gameplay. And yes I participate to a degree but let's be honest.

That's what it is

[misty belfry]

mg42 barrel anim is interesting, i wonder why no implemenation yet...i fell like for where HLL is on the sim-arcade spectrum barrel replacement is kinda borderline

[main harness]

Imo we should ban Alf from being here.

[novel geyser]

find the black matter devs and ask them
they're the ones that shifted their vision from hardcore """milsim""" to whatever unfinished unpolished sort of casual sort of hardcore game HLL is today

[hazy owl]

how large is flare's radius?

[robust bolt]

That is just one extremely small and mostly unimpactful part of comp lmao

Most exploits are banned by league rules

[analog apex]

just noticed... yeah guys the game is fixed... because they added this button to the main menu 😄
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1445787648278134865/Screenshot_2025-12-03_154347.png?ex=69319e2c&is=69304cac&hm=7b3a058887db8f7228656d521f9dad34024cde149991ede8a2d621805d2ddac2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1245&height=960

🤢

[neat urchin]

Laziness i would assume. It would be easier than teh SPA's added.

[harsh egret]

I don't mean exploits in that way. I mean exploiting legit mechanics such as 3 man fireteams, multiple OPs on a front, with people swapping squads to hurry up and spawn at a given OP to apply pressure. Things of that nature that nobody is doing or caring about in a normal chill game session.

[sturdy quarry]

i think its fair to advertise the next game, they are only working on this game to try and drive sales for HLLV anyway

id just add it to a patch you bother testing, all the console players assosiate new HLL:V button with HLL vaseline edition

[hazy owl]

was flare's diameter always 200m?

[robust bolt]

Oh okay gotcha, I wouldn’t neccesssrily refer to those as exploits. It’s just the optimal way to play HLL at this point.

Comp has evolved dramatically though. I remember the days of 6-8 six man squads in a comp match💀

Now you’re at the max 20 SLs with 2-3 men in a squad, or solo SLs probing defense

[harsh egret]

I didn't call them exploits. I said it is exploiting game mechanics. Which is the correct use of the word.

I understand the confusion but yeah

[junior sleet]

Arc raiders comp?

[woeful musk]

They've downgraded the graphics on ps5??

[robust bolt]

I get what you’re saying, what’s your issue with that? Would you prefer everyone runs 6 man squads, with minimal OPs on the map?

[harsh egret]

I didn't say I had an issue. Someone asked what comp was. I elaborated on someone else's explanation. I like a little bit of comp and casual gameplay depending on the night.

[vale garnet]

I like them getting rid of a lot of the exploits, games more fun when it’s based more on skill and less on knowing window glitches

[robust bolt]

I see now, would of helped if I actually read the previous messages😂

I agree with you, comp is super fun, but sometimes I just want to chill out and drop 100 in some blueberry lobby lmao

[vale garnet]

Honestly pubs are really boring but meh

You spend more time having to work around how dumb people are than actually doing anything useful

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-youre-classic-thats-classic-haha-classic-so-classic-gif-4807968

[analog apex]

omg... SPA shells still act like Javelin rocket in the air
they can't be serious...

[vale garnet]

The most fun games are tier 2-3 comp matches

Tier 1 is a snooze fest

And events are boring af too

[neat urchin]

That sounds awesome lol

[neat urchin]

3-2 victory everytime

[harsh egret]

Yeah pubs are obnoxious tbh. It would be nice if people just played the game somewhat correctly or with teamplay in mind instead of playing CoD/BF. It would make casual way more fun than comp imo but we have to do comp to have anything close to competence.

[vale garnet]

I’ve never been so bored playing comp as I am against greyhounds and ESPT

Not even their fault

Just the way the game is and the meta suits it

[silk igloo]

i've only played pub matches for ~5 4 years now and the main issues i have is squads putting their OPs in the same place, and people misusing red garris

[neat urchin]

It was better when our boy's @frosty sinew & @atomic pendant were pumping out how to video's. Y'all need to update those for 2025/ 2026 to teach the younglings.

[harsh egret]

Me running around begging blueberries for a supply box for a garrison while 3 support guys run right on by.

[nova pivot]

Why does the artillery engineer have a bren ?

Lol who made these loadouts?

[silk igloo]

that's when you shoot them kindly in the ankle

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[nova pivot]

All the russian artillery personnel have access to a SVT

[silk igloo]

they just need a little lovetap to get their attention

it works.

[haughty geode]

What the

[fringe hollow]

My personal defense SVT

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/it-has-to-be-done-charles-bluhdorn-burn-gorman-the-offer-s1e9-gif-25914607

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/subs-subscribe-follow-like-hit-the-button-gif-17385225

[fringe hollow]

I'd watch enough to make youtube send you enough money

[neat urchin]

Before it came out to console i watched so many videos on how to play.

[fringe hollow]

After I hit 1500 hours I watched videos to see what I missed and found a lot of cool things I never knew because no one explains anything ever

[neat urchin]

You make 1500 hours sound like not a lot lol

[fervent dagger]

Actually 🤓 the operators of a bishop tank were given a bren to defend themselves, which is what this probably is a reference to.

[fringe hollow]

1500 isn't THAT much when I've played for years. At least I'm not level 500 and like 12k hours

[neat urchin]

No bob the builder server?! good job

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-11638060812026845608

[fringe hollow]

If people bob their levels, I spit on their mothers and call them out for being bad enough to need boosting

[harsh egret]

Every time I watch SoulSniper videos I just think damn this game looks easy with M&K. And that is why we should never allow crossplay with PC 🙂

[vale garnet]

I want cross play just so we can play vs console comp teams and see how bad they are

[neat urchin]

For real. Medic lvl 10 grind was the worst

[fringe hollow]

pc console crossplay only really works with arcade movement shooters with heavy aim assist

long distance engagements need fine tuning which is hard on console

probably the only reason tbh

[neat urchin]

its all setting on console

and the cheaters take an easier approach to that as well

[fringe hollow]

either 9 or 10 on all base infantry. Now on to tankery, recon, and command. Plus the new arty squads

[harsh egret]

The thing we aren't allowed to type in here

Bahahaha

[fringe hollow]

scuf controllers and the like?

[past vortex]

ai

[harsh egret]

Begins with a C and ends with us

[nova pivot]

I wouldn't be surprised

[vale garnet]

No console has legit hardware aimbot 😂

[fringe hollow]

yeah I expected as much. What sad, meaningless lives if you need to buy more hardware to compensate for how bad you are

[vale garnet]

And now a bunch of them are playing pc comp and weirdly they won’t record their gameplay

[fringe hollow]

just go back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure or something

[harsh egret]

Nah but they got stuff for recoil scripts or to allow M&K illegally Alf

Its lame

[vale garnet]

Recoil scripts are on PC too, couple German comp players got caught

And then you have random Brazilians being caught every tournament

[neat urchin]

I have two lol

[harsh egret]

That's one of the reasons I left comp gaming on PC ages ago. The crap followed me to console 😭

[vale garnet]

Scufs aren’t cheating

[fringe hollow]

scuf or the others? IIRC scuf are just extra buttons or something

[vale garnet]

I used one playing cod at LAN

[analog apex]

what? is it possible to get such easy access to a recoil script in HLL now? What does it do btw? Just... when you spray, the 1st person camera stays the same?

[vale garnet]

Just instantly counters the recoil so your gun doesn’t move

You can tap as fast as you want and there’s no recoil

[analog apex]

wtf

[neat urchin]

No just helps with buttons.

[fringe hollow]

all comp players should be required to record gameplay honestly

[analog apex]

if comp teams are using it, I wouldnt' be much surprised if more/nonComp people did as well

[vale garnet]

There’s also aim assist scripts

[vale garnet]

It’s banned in comp, only a few people have been caught

[analog apex]

a few is always enough and a 1st sign - won't be any better anymore, just worse

[harsh egret]

I remember people militantly fighting me in here about how the C-us hardware does nothing in HLL. Trying to hide themselves 😂

[neat urchin]

esp if suspect to cheating

[vale garnet]

I have my opinions about cheaters in comp, which I can’t really say publicly 😂

[fringe hollow]

Again, cheaters are sad and pathetic people who are bad at anything they do and need someone else's help. Hope they stub their toes at the worst times

[vale garnet]

Most comp players do record even if it’s not public, at least for us if you don’t have VOD you aren’t gonna get rostered

[harsh egret]

Me over here with my factory xbox controllers, still having my moments just fine.

[fringe hollow]

Signs of a competent human being

[analog apex]

I record (or rather stream privately) every single match and if needed, I can publish any one on-demand. I wish more peeps were doing it like that.

[harsh egret]

And I'm old and slow now on top of it. These kids.

[carmine pilot]

Not to mention people using m&k on console as well

[vale garnet]

Tbf I would try console if I could do that

I cba with controllers now

[analog apex]

poor average console players 😄
they would suffer a lot

[vale garnet]

If I hooked up my PS5 to my PC monitor and had M&K ohhhh boy 250 a game would be so on

[fringe hollow]

I don't get why you would MnK on a console. Just get a PC if you want to MnK. if you can't afford one, sucks to suck I guess

[vale garnet]

I’d only do it to prove a point tbh, console comp interests me but I can’t be bothered to get good with controller again I haven’t played an FPS on console since like COD AW

[covert elbow]

Y’know I left because I didn’t want to deal with the game but like… I had to come back really quick.

The SPA’s make no sense. The shells just fall after a certain distance and look unfinished (it is). The UI is also just reused arty and tank stuff so there’s information like zooming in and out along with precision aiming that doesn’t work on the SPA’s so idk what’s happening there. Why were these released like this? They couldn’t have just been normal tanks? Did you guys have some sort of monetary deadline to release them the way they are now???

The artillery squads are stupid. They reuse the tanker cosmetics so they look incredibly out of place on the arty guns and I see no reason why these SPA tanks can’t be used by tank crews considering it’s normal “direct fire” and is honestly how it should he used. A close quarters heavy hitting tank to take our infantry. The artillery squads loadouts are also just broken as hell and I can definitely see people just ignoring the arty guns and “SPA’s” to fight on the front because we now have 2 more classes with satchels and flare guns. Great job there devs.

Also the thing that got me to come back really quick, you made the game a literal PS3 game on PlayStation. How did this happen? Did you turn the grahpics down to low in the test environment and forgot to turn it back up?

Why, why oh why would I ever consider buying your next game if this is how you treat this game. Unfinished and rushed content that’s broken or confusing that hurts the game in so many ways for no reason desire the overwhelming feedback and love of the community on how to fix it. I was expecting something to break on release and I’m sad to say I was right. I’m just disappointed.

[fringe hollow]

MW19 was the last console and COD game I played. PC is just so much better

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gigachad-chad-gif-23901955

[vale garnet]

I’m happy for you, or sorry that happened, or whatever

[neat urchin]

I knew MOH would make a comeback lol

[broken shoal]

no one cares about consoles

[covert elbow]

That was my first thought lmao

[neat urchin]

Forgotten stepchild

[covert elbow]

All the brothers in arms and MOH comparisons have been realized

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

[analog apex]

2 more classes with **satchels **and flare guns
Some arty class(ses) has a satchel? 😮 I missed that. Or some new loaoduts?

[neat urchin]

Those were quality games even back then

[timid laurel]

Graphics on ps5 are very blurry after update

[covert elbow]

I need to play them some time

[fringe hollow]

The map still has cracks in the multiverse near soviet side as well. They seem to only rely on what is reported instead of doublechecking everything themselves

[covert elbow]

That’s funny

[neat urchin]

Would bring back some memories for sure

[covert elbow]

I’m not even bothering to play test solmensk until they fix the graphics issue

I’m curious to see how Ben explains away this bug

[broken shoal]

time to play some arty

[fringe hollow]

I got a game and a half and aside from the mess they still haven't cleaned up and the fact that BBs are clinically braindead, it was pretty fun

[main harness]

DM me I'll post it for you.

[broken shoal]

and have fun. and not complain about "oh my god thiis tank colour wasnt that green, game ruined"

[fringe hollow]

Average history enthusiast playing any war game

[analog apex]

@covert elbow Actually I didn't miss anything - the Pioneer loadout of Arty squad's Engineer, doesn't have a satchel

[broken shoal]

tbh all servers feel like they increased ping, annoying sht tbh.

[covert elbow]

Really?

[analog apex]

yep, true about the flare guns though

[main harness]

Did they give recon a satchel?

[covert elbow]

Must have mistaken it for a anti-tank mine

[fringe hollow]

Please let tankers get satchels next

[covert elbow]

It’s so stupid

[broken shoal]

server list isnt loading, fix your god damn game

[covert elbow]

There’s no reason why they need a flare gun

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[covert elbow]

Unless it got reworked to help make arty shots more accurate then it needs to be removed

[fringe hollow]

to spot the enemy infantry for the guns but who does any sort of teamwork like that

[fringe hollow]

people hated the idea of OP making things more accurate so I doubt that

[covert elbow]

Litterly just ping

There’s no reason it should be a UAV

[broken shoal]

Flare doenst work if the arty unit moves away from the artillery gun. Fixed

[covert elbow]

It was badly implemented years ago and it’s still bad now

[fringe hollow]

Mark infantry without exposing yourself

it's stupid but it is what it is

[covert elbow]

Because the OP made no sense, plus it can be destroyed

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-8218916258046767774

[fringe hollow]

I saw the destroying part as a soft counter to the artillery so people weren't forced to kill arty or suffer. They could have just made it less effective

[covert elbow]

Flares were actually used to mark artillery targets so let’s make it so it functions that way

[fringe hollow]

but alas, here we are

[covert elbow]

I’m just sad that the update actually released

I mean I fully expected it to

[fringe hollow]

Deadlines and shareholders...

[covert elbow]

But I’m still sad

[covert elbow]

At this point yea

There’s no way it’s not

There trying to kill the game so Vietnam will thrive

[fringe hollow]

that's what causes most games to have hiccups or just start flailing

[covert elbow]

Even though if people actually buy Vietnam there shills

Why would anyone buy the new game after the way they’ve treated HLL

[fringe hollow]

I wasn't going to buy it even if it was the new RS2

I do not give any care to any war except WW2 which is why I'm playing a WW2 game

[broken shoal]

smolensk day runs great, smolensk night runs like sht

[fringe hollow]

Epic games L. Steam runs fine on both for me

[mellow knoll]

WW1 and ww2

[broken shoal]

what is the point of having so many buildings if you cant get inside them, is carentan all over again

[mellow knoll]

Everything else is boring

[fringe hollow]

there are plenty you can enter. I wouldn't want every single building enterable. It would be even worse for camping and cod-like room to room fighting, even if urban was like that

[past vortex]

bs

[broken shoal]

but muh realism

[fringe hollow]

"for me" but I also didn't crash nearly as much as other people so maybe I'm just blessed?

[covert elbow]

I didn’t crash to much but everytime I closed the game it crashed

[fringe hollow]

realism gone with Petard launcher having 600 meter range 🤣

[covert elbow]

So that was weird

[covert elbow]

SPA’s as as a concept

We wanted to fix the inaccuracies. Not make them worse

[past vortex]

we also wanted better perf/stab

[covert elbow]

I don’t even understand why they pushed the SPA’s. These would have been awesome new normal tank additions

[fringe hollow]

There are no new arguments that can be made. Mortars were RIGHT THERE but they were reworking "Artillery" so SPA was the choice

[past vortex]

:D

[covert elbow]

I used them a bit in the practice range and they were fun as close infantry support

[covert elbow]

It’s so baffling stupid and out of touch

[broken shoal]

damn first time i see garrison and whiskey playing a map that isnt utah or omaha.

the more you know

[covert elbow]

We already have the commander arty strike so all we needed was mortars

And if they wanted SPA’s it should have been actual ones like the Hummel and priest

[mellow knoll]

Remember from t17s own words in the rules channel.

“Hell Let Loose aims to deliver a historically accurate and authentic World War Two experience, striving to maintain unprecedented attention to detail in the historical depiction of the uniforms, weaponry, and tactics of period military units, however, we also recognize the brutality of armed conflict on a global scale and the unique atrocities which occurred, on all sides, during the Second World War and the enormous human toll it had. We respect that many have a deep passion for the history of particular units, as well as their uniforms, equipment, or individual members.“

[fringe hollow]

they stated why they didn't do open tops and I kinda of agree but still

[glossy sierra]

How's the optimization for Smolensk on PC for everyone?

[covert elbow]

What a crock of ****

[mellow knoll]

Yep

[fringe hollow]

Recon would complain they need to camp the open tops when they could just call for AT

[covert elbow]

I don’t. It’s a bad reason

[mellow knoll]

I’m sorry but if a mobile arty crew complains about dying to recon they’re doing something wrong

[covert elbow]

The actual reason we don’t had open tops is because they didn’t want to spend time and money on the animations

That’s the only reason

[mellow knoll]

They’re in a mobile vehicle that can move

[analog apex]

More accurate would be however "Hell Let Loose* used to aim** to deliver a historically accurate..."* 😞

[fringe hollow]

die to recon? Ok cool. Die to recon all the time? Issue with how you're playing

[worthy charm]

It is you seem to not want to get that...

I gave the exact same reason weeks ago, because its obvious why open top SPAs would have been a bad idea.

Wyld they have to say why...

[covert elbow]

There’s not many things that I can actually say are skill issues. But this is an absolute still issue

The drive would be protected anyway so they can still drive off safely

[broken shoal]

artillery squad is gonna be destroyed by any recon tank. is that simple, too much complaining about that. Good thing the recon squad doesnt have to take care of artillery anymore, just in some extreme cases

[fringe hollow]

"Black Matter aimed for historical accuracy, we are just seeing what sticks after flinging against a wall"

[mellow knoll]

I’m sorry but what recon squad would want to spend an entire match chasing a mobile arty vehicle instead of sniping enemies and hunting garries

[covert elbow]

And like I said, it’s a terrible reason

Open tops are a great way to balance them anyways

[broken shoal]

now the artillery squad is a problem for the recon tank

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-prefer-my-opinion-to-yours-chernobyl-hbo-opinion-gif-27342955

[covert elbow]

Arty is powerful. It should be a bit vulnerable

[broken shoal]

camping artillery as recon was boring af

[fringe hollow]

I would blame the recon for thinking they need to chase them. That's recon tank or light's job now

[covert elbow]

And your opinion is just stupid. Sorry Will

[mellow knoll]

Exactly lol. That completely invalidates their reason

[worthy charm]

Open spa would have been arty recon loop reskined.

[covert elbow]

IT ALREADY IS

[mellow knoll]

Because even closed tops can be chased by recon tanks

[covert elbow]

HOW DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THIS

[worthy charm]

As much as I dont like the SPA idea they got the balancing ok-ish this time.

[covert elbow]

WE STILL HAVE STATIC ARTILLERY AND SPAS JUST NEED AT NOW

[fringe hollow]

Again, it's recons fault for not just telling the tanks to get it

[covert elbow]

NOTHINGS CHANGED

[worthy charm]

Kind of, but no one will use SA anymore.

[fringe hollow]

why camp when you can destroy?

[worthy charm]

SPAS are more fun and more powerfull

[broken shoal]

you been complaining for an hour about the changes just to say nothing changed

touch some grass

[fringe hollow]

Only SPA I've seen in a live match was dead and swarmed by infantry

[mellow knoll]

Closed tops or open tops, a recon tank can still hunt it and kill it. Literally no difference what so ever aside from infantry being unable to kill the crew.

[broken shoal]

just disconnected from 3 servers, artillery squads are LOCKED IN with one person in it.

[fringe hollow]

you can change and not change at the same time. It;s just a bad change then

[worthy charm]

He is bitter, we should get him a PC so he can play the better WW2 shooter

:}

[mellow knoll]

I’m sorry but anyone who’s not bitter is just a yes man

Go play enlisted

May as well since HLL is turning into that slowly

[humble moat]

Has anyone else had horrible ping issues? I am on Xbox and my wifi at home is outstanding, I never have any issues on other games, but on HLL even on US servers I just get 120+ ping consistently and it makes things next to impossible

[fringe hollow]

no no enlisted at least keeps historical accuracy AND has modualed tanks

[mellow knoll]

Not from what I’ve seen

[broken shoal]

it was like an hour ago, seems fine now.

[fringe hollow]

I also haven't played that god forsaken game since launch so

lone wolf my beloved and missed mode...

[mellow knoll]

Honestly the only ww2 games left that have a shred of historicalness left is CTA Ostfront and Squad 44. Hell even Arma lmao.

[broken shoal]

i love every update, people who say they dont play the game anymore come to complain about the game they "dont play"

[fringe hollow]

being a milsim helps with accuracy

isn't CTA a top down?

[mellow knoll]

I’ve been complaining for years and I have 3.8k hours. I only just quit a few days ago.

[mellow knoll]

It is yes.

[fringe hollow]

ew

[humble moat]

We should have to manage food rations and keep our calories up

[mellow knoll]

Wdym ew??

[fringe hollow]

like foxhole or is it an RTS?

[mellow knoll]

It’s an RTS

[fringe hollow]

EW

[humble moat]

Foxhole is incredible

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-smiling-cute-pet-gif-17869715

[worthy charm]

Youre to late he is already gone

[mellow knoll]

Don’t call it that. Its the best ww2 strategy ever made. Go watch some gameplay

[finite berry]

Do they, tho

[echo karma]

Can't be worst patch ever tho.

[finite berry]

He'll come back :)

[fringe hollow]

I'm sure it's a great game. I hate RTS games personally. Nothing against the game

[mellow knoll]

Why tho?

Just not your thing?

[fringe hollow]

just not my style of gameplay

[mellow knoll]

Fair

[worthy charm]

Huh? Dont you like playing 9h of Stellaris?

Its peek

frfr

[echo karma]

Worst patch ever was like 2 yrs ago and they lost like 50% of community

[humble moat]

I quite enjoy the idea of artillery squads, seems like a much better way to get people working together on it rather than hoping a mish mash takes it up

[echo karma]

Peak indeed

[mellow knoll]

If it was done properly sure

[fringe hollow]

I like being the cog, not the leader. I would rather people can think for themselves so I don't need to spend 21974 hours micromanaging

[thin lotus]

Yeah yeah yeah
Teleports behind you

[echo karma]

Same. Less AT and less squads technically

[thin lotus]

L o l at h l l

[mellow knoll]

Fair enough. We have our own prefs.

I like both personally

[echo karma]

I like potatoes

[humble moat]

Speaking of realism, we should have to clean our weapons and deal with misfires and jams, eh

[fringe hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/potatoes-sam-gamgee-same-po-tay-toes-gif-5319438

[echo karma]

No ty. Arma s44 all a niche style. Fun for 1 game. Tedious af for an actual game tho

[fringe hollow]

alright alright now I gotta work. Good luck finding all the issues still in smolensk since they didn't even give it a good look over before release

[humble moat]

Oh don't worry I am being sarcastic

[echo karma]

Fkin Stam bar like I'm not an andinline fueled junky in ww2. Cmon

[humble moat]

To take realism to the real next level, we need to keep hydrated, rain and mud should slow us down, rain should affect our vision, and we should not have a minimap

[mellow knoll]

Sounds baller to me

[humble moat]

It's only realistic, after all

And perhaps next we ought to take it even further, since we all know the real bulk of time in military service is spent waiting, standing around, and doing nothing

No respawns, that's obviously out of the question

[mellow knoll]

Ok now that’s just extreme lol

[humble moat]

Well, if we aim to achieve true realism we have to make sacrifices

[echo karma]

Kv2 isn't an spa. Realism been tanking last few patches anyways. Now we're in fairytale land. Not looking good for V

[haughty delta]

Hello! I have a question.

"Artillery observer : When your squad opts to use the SPA, your outpost enhances your squad’s artillery accuracy within its radius"

How many meters are we talking about ?

[mellow knoll]

Neither is the Panzer III N and Sturmpanzer yet here we are.

[echo karma]

Panther in Africa cuz we rewrite history around here

[worthy charm]

Thats not in the game anymore

[mellow knoll]

May as well model an Abrams and put it in Berlin while we’re at it

[worthy charm]

but it was 200m

[devout isle]

YIPPEE NEW UPDATE

[sturdy quarry]

still pushing my helicopters for medics idea

[carmine pilot]

Well Battlefield 6 supports m&k natively as you can cross play with pc. If HLL were to do that, they’d have to do cross play with PC and console.

Would love to see console vs pc comp match tbh

[haughty delta]

Ok thank you. So they need to update the field manual. 😄

[past vortex]

wdym "was" :D

[broken shoal]

Oh i know now why they are locking the artillery squad to play SOLO. Is for the god damn flare. Fix that sht

[finite berry]

I mean, look at the bright side of it y'all, at least there are no crashes and LOD issues seem to affect PS only :)

[devout isle]

omg they added like a ushanka for the germans

[novel geyser]

Honestly Im not a huge RTS fan and I got it and love it.
If you have a friend to play it with its even better

[neat urchin]

@thin lotus you try it yet?

[thin lotus]

Nope. I’ve no urge to play it anytime soon

[analog apex]

because they teleport behind you on a magical table 😜

[muted apex]

What was the update today

[muted apex]

Anything is SPA if it has a gun.

[neat urchin]

Damn was looking forward to the chum rant of the century

[muted apex]

On a carriage

[neat urchin]

broken

[muted apex]

MBTs in the special military operation are literally being used as SPA

[echo karma]

Indirect fire is not spa

[muted apex]

SELF PROpelled artillery

Artillery is something firing indirect

Self propelled-moves itself on a platform

[echo karma]

Kv2 was not designed as an spa

[muted apex]

Unless you are referring to spas in a hotel

Meaning what

It can still be SPA

[echo karma]

Hell no

Why you think it's so big n clunky and has a massive 150mil shell?

It's not for shooting across the battlefield either

[muted apex]

That gun could be fired indirectly better than most and was regularly used in such a way

[broken shoal]

Wait. Does artillery squads exist in offensive mode?

[echo karma]

It was used as a frontal assault vehicle and mind you it only has 1 confirmed convey kill. Not tank convey, a supply line

[muted apex]

SPA can be a role just as much as a designation

[muted apex]

Wym convey kill

[echo karma]

So why we get kv2 then? Just use p4 as spa

[muted apex]

You could do

[echo karma]

He blast radius is trash in this game and proj speed is wayyy to high to be an spa

[muted apex]

But it is a high velocity gun which isn’t so suited for indirect fire. Unlike the kv2 or short barreled panzer 4

[echo karma]

Spa is not indirect fire. It's artillery

[muted apex]

Soviet zis2 field gun was one of the most effective artillery pieces of the war. Despite being known as a 76mm at gun to most

Zis3*

[muted apex]

A pistol can be artillery

[echo karma]

Enlisted has spa. Real spa

[muted apex]

If you fire it over a house at a high angle

You clearly struggle to comprehend what artillery means

[echo karma]

No tank shell in this game is an spa.

They'd have to nueter the proj speed

[cosmic pilot]

well, the problem with the recon arty loop is that recon can put their OP in locked territory, and have to compete with spawning off of the HQ with no way to stop that
it's not that "recon can kill arty", it's the nature of the way that the spawnpoints make it a persistent task

[echo karma]

AT rocket is closet to spa if you can aim

[muted apex]

The flak88 was a very effective artillery gun and regularly used for indirect fire in Normandy

[analog apex]

funny, isn't it?
SPA's in HLL have spread to make them inaccurate while the rocket launchers can fire on even larger distances and even more accurately as the RLs have no spread at all.
How insane these HLL dev decisions are...

[muted apex]

No because it isn’t mounted on a self propelled platform

[finite berry]

????

[cosmic pilot]

and people will defend it because long shots with rocket takes "skill" or something

[analog apex]

yep, exactly

those are the same insane as the devs

[finite berry]

Wrong by definition

[echo karma]

Hq to hq is fairly ez with recon squad spotting

[neat urchin]

Should have buildable 88's on the battle field. Would be a cool adition

[muted apex]

Depends what definition you use

[finite berry]

If you use a wrong one, yes

[echo karma]

How hard is it to give us a tracked 20mil gun? Open top esq.

[muted apex]

Support guns like the leig18 would be great

[echo karma]

Could even go bigger shell for spa. Not a fkin kv2 or some made up designation

[neat urchin]

Arty strike should be from a rail gun.

[muted apex]

Smolensk would be a far better map if set in 1941 though. Barely any combat over the city proper in 1943 as the Germans withdrew from it

[echo karma]

Late war Germany used literally everything they could. From multiple nations. Hll, stg44 everywhere

[muted apex]

To the panther wotan line

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/railgun-the-railgun-real-railgun-actual-railgun-railgun-fired-gif-19416998

[thin lotus]

Pretty much this. Hlls gameplay is unsatisfying and unfun from its most foundational level.
The devs can add and adjust anything and everything else they want, but if it doesn’t do anything to improve what in-the-know players’ objective is every single round, none of it matters. Nothing added to this game has changed how prevalent and unfortunately necessary leapfrog teleporting is.

All you do in hll is try to out-teleport eachother all game every game. It’s goofy. The vestigial gameplay branches these devs continue to bother with are distractions compared to what is fundamentally flawed with hlls gameplay loop. Sad thing is they tout this loop as what makes hll “unique,” as if to imply it’s even halfway decent. It is only unique in a wrong way.

[echo karma]

Kv2 not over pressure 1 shoting a heavy is criminal tho

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/rail-gun-cannon-railway-gif-13521431

[echo karma]

True. Ticket system needa rework anyways. AT spam heaven

[timber swan]

My first thought was, Oh lovely they added an artillery crew, I really dig this since it means I have a dedicated role for supplying artillery support for teammates without taking up infantry spots

Cut to today, update day btw, NOONE is playing the artillery role

[timber swan]

you'd think new content would inspire people, but I guess HLL players are stuck in their ways

[neat urchin]

That would be sick. Would prefer the KT2

[echo karma]

Everyone left ages ago. Comp is the only one left. And casuals

[neat urchin]

If it worked properly on all platforms it would be praised.

[worthy charm]

Sir, our tanks break down to fast

MORE TURRETS YOU SAY?

[slate canopy]

That makes no sense? 'only comp and casuals stayed'... So people haven't left or they have?

[stray furnace]

hey

i have a question

[slate canopy]

Wassup

[stray furnace]

why my SPA cant move more than 4 coordinates

[tropic light]

@round mesa should this be added in??

[stray furnace]

and another one can move more than 4

[worthy charm]

So you cant snipe enemy HQ

[neat urchin]

Honestly tho the KT should be in. Costs 800 fuel. Same values as the tiger.

[worthy charm]

Its limited based on its range

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-this-person-is-this-person-is-near-your-house-this-person-is-100km-near-your-house-tank-gif-13711770375498576739

[sullen abyss]

Titan mode?

[stray furnace]

yeah but the other one is literally at the middle of the map

where im playing rn

[ancient harness]

Artillery tanks can reach the middle of the map

[echo karma]

Check steam charts. Rapid decline every month

[worthy charm]

Thats not an SPA then?

[cosmic pilot]

it's not a mechanic they should have to learn

[stray furnace]

it is

its the strumpanzer iv im watching it rn

[glossy echo]

I can't load into any map

[cosmic pilot]

because it's
a. unrealistic
b. powerful
c. costless

[worthy charm]

Then it will explod in a few seconds or is empty?

[ancient harness]

I've tested the artillery tanks and they can get to the middle of the map, both the Sherman and Sturmpanzer

[tropic light]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-dogs-dog-tank-cute-funny-gif-9076583673138038533

[stray furnace]

but its not empty

[worthy charm]

Poor tonks

[echo karma]

Tank on roof. True spa

[cyan saddle]

I don't know how it's intended to work, I thought it was allowed to move up for about 60% or 80% of the map, might be that on some maps for some factions it's flipped due to a bug?

[stray furnace]

why mine cant then

[ancient harness]

What gamemode are you playing

[stray furnace]

warfare

[cosmic pilot]

yes, the weapon with 250m effective range can shoot 850m because the devs were too lazy to give it a realistic muzzle velocity

[ancient harness]

Well then I have no idea

[cosmic pilot]

or any dispersion

[echo karma]

Kv2 150mil cuz realism

[stray furnace]

well, Im literally watching how I cant pass the second cap point and that other one is at the third cap

[echo karma]

Tank literally smacks anything ever

[cosmic pilot]

it doesn't take any skill to land a shot at max range with a parabolic arc

[ancient harness]

Record it and report it

[echo karma]

Bet there's no ammo in the ammo rack too

[cosmic pilot]

the "skill" involved is lining your cursor up with a ping that gives you perfect range and direction information overlayed ontop of your enviornment

[fervent dagger]

Saw a post on Reddit saying it seems like it’s based on the initial spawn. A Spa can’t go more that a set distance from the HQ it is spawned in. That’s probably why people are seeing different max distances.

[ancient harness]

Scary how accurate and easy to use these new tanks are honestly

[echo karma]

Ppl still can't read mill dots bro. It's a skill issue

[stray furnace]

but how do I aim these SPA, I cant know how much MIL are (for example ) 567 meters

[cosmic pilot]

nice backtrack, i'll take your concession on the matter

[ancient harness]

I went straight from HQ2 and it let me get to the middle of the map, so that might be it

[cyan saddle]

I bet that If I come back here in 2 minutes suddenly we're talking about how useless SPAs are again

[echo karma]

Nah imma dip. Reddit on fire?

[cosmic pilot]

SPGs should shoot satchels

[broken shoal]

Release the workshop

[ancient harness]

You have a reference next to your aim and we'll eventually get websites that calculate the exact MIL (if it doesn't exist yet or the current ones don't work for tanks)

[cyan saddle]

Haven't looked yet. Should I?

[cosmic pilot]

and kill garrisons

through cover

[echo karma]

Plz bro. Modders will fix everything

[stray furnace]

yeah...a shame

[worthy charm]

They aleady do or does the satchel have more than 31m radius?

[broken shoal]

Modders will leep this game alive for 10 years

[cosmic pilot]

the satchel can kill through cover

i want that on a tank

[icy plank]

did someone say SDK?

[lucid tusk]

SPAs were not the move, shoulda been assault guns and tank destroyers with portable mortars being the arty replacement

[echo karma]

Satchel is so unrealistic too. They were used for track vehicles. Not blow the whole tank up

[ancient harness]

I wish they had added tank destroyers

[echo karma]

5kg of tnt explodes a 40 ton tank? OK bud

[cyan saddle]

Would need to see evidence of having supported the kickstarter

[analog apex]

here we go, 1st critical problems that somehow got to live branch emerge https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1445824003716419799

[cosmic pilot]

i am so damn tired of wooden houses being impervious to machinegun fire
as well as the fact that the stupid lods mask anyone inside the windows in complete darkness

[fervent dagger]

I hope they don’t add tank destroyers. Tanks are already good at fighting other tanks. Adding a specific tank destroying unit just turns it into rock paper scissors.

[echo karma]

Remeber they nerfed defenses awhile ago too. Just satchel everything

[lucid tusk]

Like I shouldn't be able to launch an AVREs spigot mortar like it's a 105 shell

[fervent dagger]

They did say there were going to change that.

[lucid tusk]

To be fair the lvl 1 defenses should be easily busted by satchels imo, but i don't know how id balance it for the 2 and 3 structures

[cosmic pilot]

all infantry needs to be able to make lvl 0 free sandbags that protect from artillery

[echo karma]

Impenetrable unless bombing run or heavy shelling from tanks. Satchel is stupid OP

Whats the point of building defense if it gets taken down instantly tho? Feels bad with bombing run too tho

[lucid tusk]

I agree but I think the game would implode if more that 3 people put down sandbags

[cosmic pilot]

and let it clip into stuff

[echo karma]

At least dig foxholes

[cosmic pilot]

the concept is correct, but it's asking too much

[echo karma]

Modders would do for free

[cosmic pilot]

an above ground emplacement that functions like a foxhole is the best we can ask for

[neat urchin]

Can i get one. I've been here for a long time you know that lol

[pearl pond]

How on earth can an SPA driver not drive a normal tank? That just seems too pedantic by the devs

[grand wraith]

Where’s that screenshot of you and Heidi playing meatgrind? Lolol

“We are almost there”
“mental strength”

[main lance]

Allowing modding would fix everything, but people aren’t ready for that convo

[fringe hollow]

Please tell me what I just read on reddit is wrong. It says the range you can drive with the SPA is based on where you spawned

[main lance]

Shut down squad starwars and game dies overnight lol

Yes, easily the wildest thing I’ve seen in like 20 years of comp gaming

The fact that no one checked before is hilarious

[neat urchin]

Huh?

[winter rover]

imo you should remove the bipod from the BAR in the automatic rifleman class

And keep it for the MG class

[fringe hollow]

Reddit post said something about the range to drive SPA before it says at operational limit is based on which HQ you spawn at

[winter rover]

Operational limit for the SPA?

[fringe hollow]

At first I thought the dude was just complaining about not being allowed in enemy HQ as arty but no, game broke

to make it somewhat "fair" SPA aren't allowed past about middle of the map so they can't shell last point

[echo karma]

Tldr reddit on fire but updukes are low

[winter rover]

What's the max range for the SPA?

[fringe hollow]

600 max gun range

[echo karma]

I do find it ironic spa is a 3 man squad when 3 ppl could run arty before

[echo karma]

So arty can sit mid ish point and fire into HQ? Lovely

[fringe hollow]

3 people never ran arty and you know it. It was always the level 7 who didn't know what to do and wasted resources

[fringe hollow]

It's supposed to not be able to. Haven't tested a whole lot though

[echo karma]

I usually ran it as a squad. But 3 can run it

[fringe hollow]

as in not be able to even reach last point of the enemies

[echo karma]

600m from second point is HQ

[fringe hollow]

which is why it's not able to go past middle point

iirc

[fervent dagger]

No the gun can’t reach the hq. Can’t even reach the final point which I’m not sure about.

[echo karma]

It shouldn't be able to pass 1st point technically which makes it annoying af still cuz it just sprays down mid point

[gentle valley]

Gj on the map really enjoyable on pubs

[fringe hollow]

Not sure what you expect, it's artillery. It's not like they just won't shoot at the enemies

[echo karma]

Which most 1st point is in HQ so arty didn't work there anyways

Recon tank 2 tap kv2 tho?

[fringe hollow]

that would be pretty sad ngl

Mighty Fridge brought so low

[echo karma]

Can main gun in arty be destroyed now? I seen something about building it

Recon tank 2 AT and GG

[patent iris]

Been here 4 years, if that ain’t a vet idk what is

[fervent dagger]

Had a game earlier where a HE spa shell landed near our light tank and it instantly destroyed our treads.

[fringe hollow]

there are guns in every HQ, only one can be built at a time. After they get destroyed, there is a 5 minute cooldown before it can be rebuilt

[echo karma]

Rip all pub matches

[fringe hollow]

not sure if that's only that blueprint on cooldown or artillery building as a whole on cooldown

Maybe if the sweats chilled out for a bit. It IS winter, just go outside or smt

[echo karma]

So now 2 recon squads just spam flares

[fringe hollow]

A waste of recon. They should be hunting nodes and garrisons as well as killing commander when he tries replacing them

[winter rover]

the shell from the spa looks so comical how it just drops so instantly in the air lmao

[echo karma]

But flares OP

[fringe hollow]

I hardly see flare spam even before artillery SL got one

[echo karma]

From what I saw in the pte it was a joke bro. And didn't shoot straight

[patent iris]

I love seeing people post their “impressive sniper k/d” meanwhile O structures destroyed

[fringe hollow]

have you played the update yet?

[echo karma]

Nah imma play on my potato xsx later

[fringe hollow]

Horrible players. I try to TK any sniper/spotter who sits on the frontline or just snipes at point all match

[patent iris]

Same

[fringe hollow]

Well, ask them to use their brain first and then remove it from their skull if not

[echo karma]

Bet my game crashes tho. Reddit screenshots look bad lil

[fringe hollow]

sounds like a console issue. Glad I hate console anymore

[winter rover]

Bro, the arty's range is like 250m wtf

[neat urchin]

You dont play anymore what are you talking about

[patent iris]

God forbid a spotter use their flares. Hell, most don’t even have that unlocked lol

[echo karma]

Yeah el Amanda looks like a giant hill with mud everywhere

[patent iris]

lol. Arma better. Dev team cares…

[finite berry]

Viagra DLC for SPA when

[winter rover]

wtf is 250m, brooo that's nothing

Should be 500 min

[fringe hollow]

range on gun or distance it can drive?

[echo karma]

Oh I request ammo drop and spam flares. 2 recons doing that is stupid OP. Why you think comp don't play offensive

[fringe hollow]

it's 200-600 for the mil ranges in the sight but it can direct fire if you keep going down

unless it changed before release

[winter rover]

And I don't think it's 250m, i think it's like around 220

[echo karma]

So 1 ish grids. Its useless. Gets dead fast

[winter rover]

oh wait

im brain dead

My mil was set to the max 🤣

max range is 600m

[fringe hollow]

Local soldier acts like a soldier

[winter rover]

XD

[echo karma]

3 grid is meh too tbh. What's flight time?

[fringe hollow]

no idea tbh

was more worried about how they ARENT artillery vehicles to care about that

[ancient harness]

Notably slow

[echo karma]

More points for AT and bleeding resources

[fringe hollow]

i'd love to test once I get off work

[winter rover]

I don't think the SPA should be working like this

[ancient harness]

I don't think SPAs should be working

[winter rover]

Raising the gun all the way should shoot at its furthest range

[echo karma]

Ehhh. Blow em up till ppl cry about AT some more

[winter rover]

The SPA is acting like a mortar

[ancient harness]

A mortar with 20 AP rounds

[echo karma]

150mil shell should delete everything

[winter rover]

It shouldn't be shooting like this

[echo karma]

Can you look at any update and think this should be like this etc? No

[lone barn]

How do you make a self propelled artillery vehicle?

[echo karma]

Look at them God awful patch notes lmao what a joke

[ancient harness]

What do you mean man

[lone barn]

Its new isnt it

[scarlet parcel]

Hey hows the game. Havent played a year anything new? 😀

[echo karma]

@wooden cloud need patch video soon and state of game too baby

[ancient harness]

Yes

Commander spawns it

[winter rover]

I actually take that back, it's the devs' fault why the artillery is like this

SPA*

[ancient harness]

New, yes. Good, debatable

[cosmic pilot]

Many such cases

[winter rover]

The higher the mil, the greater the range

Not the other way around

[cosmic pilot]

Who's going to tell him

[wooden cloud]

For sure. I’ll be jumping in tomorrow to check it out!

How has it been today? Are folks still having connection issues and mass DCs?

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[echo karma]

Idek. Reddit is meh. I don't think anyone cares tbh

[winter rover]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rOepkCCp5A8?si=SFHkUGnRlQ4AxvFv

At 0:33 it shows the range chart

[wooden cloud]

I’m pretty sure the devs followed through on SPAs because they were under the assumption the playerbase asked for them…. But I’m not sure where that demand came from

[echo karma]

You already know not a 1 person can use that in hll lmao

[cosmic pilot]

Because it's on the roadmap or something

But continuing to call it something it isn't is petty

[echo karma]

Just like the tank rework huh? We didn't ask for lazy sloppy work bro

[neat urchin]

Def wasnt the SPA's we thought we were getting.

[cosmic pilot]

Just be honest about what the content represents

It's about managing expectations

[echo karma]

Just give us V already

[smoky urchin]

They followed through due to development cycle, it was planned they had to push it, they've already said this is not the state they're staying in and will be changing, it's just for now we have them as "SPA"

[cosmic pilot]

SPA you expect to get a Hummel or something

What we have are not that

[echo karma]

Arty barely works cuz its basic af. Spa won't ever work.

[wooden cloud]

I feel like I’ve been tricked a little bit like the last “rework”. I was expecting U19 to have part 2 or whatever

[main niche]

Yea its kinda janky how it was done. I expected actual SPAs

[surreal crown]

So quick question about the SPA how does the Operation Zone work?

[echo karma]

It's so bad no one even cares to moan lol lemme check steam

[cosmic pilot]

It jerks you from shooting into the enemy HQ

Nooooooo

[echo karma]

You can't even fill a pte server that's public

[cosmic pilot]

Damn autocorrect

[surreal crown]

Thats not what I meant. Where is the line? Where does it stop?

[wooden cloud]

Honest question about SPAs: do yall find them fun? At the end of the day that’s all that matters. I just don’t enjoy them, but I’ve never really found arty fun.

[surreal crown]

It is fun, when you know the formula and Build a calculator yourself

[cosmic pilot]

Guess

It's faster

Guess enough and you'll get good at guessing

[main niche]

They would be a lot more enjoyable if they wasn’t so janky. The Wespe or M7 priest would have been a better go in my opinion

[surreal crown]

-0.66685*(meters)+666.74= mills

[cosmic pilot]

But there's no reason there shouldn't be a calculator in the game

[cosmic pilot]

Then the devs would need to address gunplay

[echo karma]

Arty isint fun per se but it's a must with how the game is set up

[main niche]

This is true, can’t have that

[echo karma]

Until there's an actual ticket system arty AT etc will be dominate

[finite berry]

Was about to say, where demand lol

[cosmic pilot]

Global tickets do not help

[surreal crown]

But Like for real. Has any1 figured out how the line is drawn?

[echo karma]

It's better than manpower

[cosmic pilot]

For example, what should the ticket amount be

[silk igloo]

increasing the range to 600 screwed up the mils, it was an even 100-200-300-400-500-600 before

[echo karma]

Stops alot of spam

Redeploy would obviously be longer

[silk igloo]

now it's something like 132-155-177

[wooden cloud]

I have no idea to be honest. I’ve been against SPAs since I first heard about them. Mortar squads should have been the way to go.

[cosmic pilot]

No, it just puts a time limit on it that's shorter than the overall game time limit

[echo karma]

Matches would be shorter too

[cosmic pilot]

It's not obvious

[finite berry]

Absolutely. No need for SPA (in name only anyway), remove static artillery, make artillery a commander call-in, add portable and stationary mortars. And profit

[echo karma]

Your overall time alive would be more valuable than spawn die shoot AT etc

[finite berry]

How is it horrific?

[wooden cloud]

This was exactly the opinion I recommended ha

[echo karma]

Could add more tickets. Try to slow the game down?

A blind idiot can run arty. It's basic af and stupid effective

[main niche]

I can’t wait to see how much more they butcher tanks in 2026 ❤️

[gilded spade]

There is no need to remove static arty. Maybe make it A gun but why remove it in his whole?

[echo karma]

Comp limits it to 1 gun and it still runs the lobby

[finite berry]

It's not fine, should just get scrapped. And no, mortars would mean more tactical gameplay, something this game desperately needs.

These long timers only are there if you immediately give up

Found the CoD player

[gilded spade]

You don’t even play the game.

[silk igloo]

the only thing the game really needs is to get rid of the teleport meta, because the fate of both SPAs and mortars will be death by chrono troopers

[echo karma]

I disagree. It's very fast. Most games in pubs are over within 20mins if not faster

Offensive is sometimes longer

[finite berry]

It once was one and it also was meant to be one. Then it became more arcadey and now is this weird in-between

[finite berry]

Should be kinda telling that even non-players know what this game needs

[finite berry]

Chrono troopers?

[echo karma]

True but some servers are fun

[silk igloo]

they could teleport around in RA2. really, in warfare there should be only one large, moving capture area, then there'd be little point in all the cheesy things HLL suffers from

[finite berry]

Eh, yes, but it used to be less

[echo karma]

But it has tactics baked in

Just not like arma

Essentially yes. All systems are very basic. Alas arty is stupid OP

[silk igloo]

it boils down to whoever can rebuild garris because it doesnt matter how many kills you get when a new spawn pops up faster than you can capture anything

[gilded spade]

If you say so

[echo karma]

Just imagine a bombing run every 30 secs

[finite berry]

I say so. :)

[cosmic harbor]

There is a spectrum of FPS shooters IMO. Arcady games (COD, BF) are more to the far left, arma to the far right…HLL somewhere in the middle

[silk igloo]

i just came from a game where i built 20 spawns, maybe 3 of them OPs

[echo karma]

Add ticket system. Manpower and rts nodes is pointless

[finite berry]

Somewhere in the middle, but strongly leaning to the left

[echo karma]

It's bf for noobs bro

[finite berry]

I mean, it would finally give some incentive to play medic and give that class a point lol

[echo karma]

Lack of understanding lmao spam AT more with no repercussions

[cosmic harbor]

Kinda don’t agree.

[finite berry]

Why?

[echo karma]

Manpower is useless

[cosmic harbor]

Because it has enough arcadey and tactical to place it in the middle. A game like Squad 44 is more right if it. Squad even further right. I believe there is a large enough gap between HLL and COD, thus the middle

[echo karma]

If redeploy was like 1min then medic would be viable. Explosives would be an issue tho

[echo karma]

It's literally BF at the core without destruction and more complex systems

[spiral current]

Manpower is only there to be converted to other resources, but yes it's basically useless.

Reinforce just doesn't work and is a waste of resource.
Airheads mostly works in cases where your opponents are complete tools.
Encourage is a conversion.
Everything else is a conversion.

However, I kind of like it, because it has some consequences and preplanning in airhead vs encouraged.

What's really pointless is the tedium of building nodes, which is currently reduced to "we need them every game, so build at start and hope enemy recon can't be bothered to take them down"- there's an argument for just making the base rate income 50 ticks pm and being done with it.

[cosmic harbor]

It’s more tactical than BF. bF is far more arcadey. Don’t agree

[finite berry]

In theory, yes, perhaps. In practice, no, not really. It's Battlefield but one-hit-kill and with slightly more in-depth tank mechanics (that are still more arcade than tactical).

[finite berry]

Yes, but that doesn't make it not casual-leaning. Which it is.

[thin lotus]

Tf is “arcade”

What a stupid descriptor

[cosmic harbor]

And yet so many use that term to describe the difference

It’s not stupid

[thin lotus]

Always has been stupid

[cosmic harbor]

Your opinion.

[main lance]

Get to the real sauce, lower the minimum distance between garris to like 50 m. Right now you find one garri you can assume the entire garri network

[thin lotus]

My opinion is right

[cosmic harbor]

No..it’s not.

[main lance]

Now we’re cooking

[spiral current]

imho this IS a problem, but I think it's more of an issue that "finding a garry = that garry is doomed". Garrys should be harder to take down passed the point of "just finding them".

[nova pivot]

How did they mess up the graphics like this?😭

[thin lotus]

Tactically teleports behind you
Hll players celebrating how tactical they are when they teleport past everything and sit on an objective

lol, lmao even

[spiral current]

I don't see them changing Garry maths in HLL but I would really hope they don't use the same system in HLL vietnam, because imho the way garries works really limits the game.

[wooden cloud]

Id be shocked if tunnels are just not the same as red zone garrisons

[thin lotus]

They are 100% doing the same spawn teleporting baloney in Vietnam

It just straight up kills any sort of possible nuance in how you advance as a team. It’s dumb as hell

[spiral current]

teleporting troops is kinda ok, I just would like to see some tweaks. E.g. I think a garrison should be an entire covnverted farmhouse ratherr than a table with two tins of beans on it, and if it actually acted like a mini capture point or something I think taht would be cool. Mind you, I'll just make my own mass infantry WWII game at this point.

[analog apex]

and there it will be probably even expanded - tunnels aka Vietnamese teleport points or something

[thin lotus]

Now the excuse for this garbage gameplay is “well they had tunnels!”

It’s still the same teleporting garbage

They just found another excuse for it

[spiral current]

oh, for shizzle, if they advertise "tunnels" and it's actually just garrisons with lines drawn between them I'm mad. If you say tunnels, I want tunnels.

[cosmic harbor]

Arcady teleporting hahaha

[analog apex]

yeah, but I am sure they won't be accessible... maybe they will make some accessible/physical here and there, like the caves on Tobruk in HLL, but the primary function will be teleporting

[worthy charm]

*Its fine Grandpa, lets get you back inside

[finite berry]

hahahaha

[thin lotus]

If I had to guess, there will be a set wait time for how much distance you want to cover when setting up or spawning from a point A and B when you select on these “tunnel” spawns

[wild mason]

anyone else noticing higher ping or just me? usually have like 60-70 ping now im playing on servers with 120 ping

[spiral current]

so what's the verdict for this update? worth a play to see new toys or have they U18'd it? Note: I'm not console which I think is most of the graphic issues. Other option is to wait a week for the hotfix :D

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/those-were-the-days-curtis-payne-house-of-payne-good-times-good-memories-gif-22163985

[iron patrol]

Is voip down? I can't hear anyone and can't connect my microphone

[fringe hollow]

Map is pretty cool if the BBs are smart. Not sure if anything has changed from PTE for the arty. If nothing changed, it's eh at best

[charred anvil]

btw the in game store is broken

[fringe hollow]

good. Stop buying things from T17

[outer stone]

Third consecutive broken update in a row. Stop killing the game plz. This is pathetic.

[neat urchin]

Most of the game too lol

[charred anvil]

havent loaded in to rest of it
what else is broken (that wasnt already)?

[fringe hollow]

our spirit

maybe even the will to keep going

[glossy echo]

Please make optimization better on Smolensk on low

[winter sandal]

they test all thinks matew

xD

rssolution like on ps2

rendering problem

blur problem

optimalization problem

rcon problems

[fringe hollow]

there is a simple fix to this problem guys, you just aren't seeing it

don't play playstation

[winter sandal]

they write in telegrams " some players" have a issue

some players - maybe stay on this game afther this

[nova pivot]

The map is incredibly laggy

Specifically the night version when going into the city

[thin lotus]

Does the new map still have chromatic aberration slathered on it

[fringe hollow]

You seem to have the worst luck. Game ran perfectly on the two matches I played, one night one day

no Chum. it's turned down if not off

[nova pivot]

I'm console

[fringe hollow]

that explains it

I think they fixed the CA in the PTE almost immediately after it was mentioned

[nova pivot]

Let's hide poor optimization behind " consoles are sht" yay

[fringe hollow]

Yeah console seems to always get shafted. Not a good look from T17 but I also don't know how to fix it or how it works

[worthy charm]

Poor Floppa, the truth had to get you at some point.

[nova pivot]

Willes

[worthy charm]

Someone wrote PCMR in here xD

3h ago or something

[worthy charm]

Im kidding

I know the game runs worse than Star Citizen on PCs.

[nova pivot]

The truth is this Devs are not Devs, I think they hire a bunch of Indians to code or something, at least for the consoles version

[sharp bobcat]

Does anyone know why all my servers have 0 people?

[worthy charm]

Reset your filters?

[nova pivot]

Because nobody wants to play with u🫂

[neat urchin]

If the hit reg and rendering issues were solved i'd play the game more tbh. those are my biggest problems with the console side of it.

[worthy charm]

On what game version are you? PTE, Normal game or exp. branch?

You got Crossplay on?

[nova pivot]

Console

😀

[sharp bobcat]

I'll check now. I even updated the server and restarted the computer. I thought the servers were down due to the update, but I see that everyone is fine.

[fringe hollow]

I would lose my mind if hit reg was any worse. I saw blood multiple times and he just SHRUGS off 30.06

[iron patrol]

I saw a server with 127 players only to turn out to have 0

[neat urchin]

I shot n STG guy once point blank, he turned around and killed me 😭

[fringe hollow]

Funny, someone shot me with an STG today on smolensk and he thought he killed me and ran away.

He ate ALL the PPSH drum after that

laying down after being shot helps sometimes

[glossy echo]

Is it reasonable to complain about fps when its 8 fps stutters?

[opaque parcel]

Anyone know if the max available squads was increased from 20 to 22 because of arty crews?

[fringe hollow]

Curry is good. I don't know how you can eat it loudly though

console just has all the problems. Only problem on PC is how brainless and mute everyone is

and maybe clans stacking servers

[past veldt]

Can we get a Willes roundup on all the complaints so far?

[fringe hollow]

number is larger than the atoms in the universe

can't be displayed

Maybe servers could have active admins to enforce english only on NA? Best idea I can think of and it's reasonable

[echo karma]

That's what CMs do

[cosmic pilot]

Yeah Wilhelm, round up all the complainers

[gray garden]

this game is very bad, all teammates are American and anglo they are yell through microphone at top of lung while choking on burger.
makes me want to hug 🚆

[echo karma]

If no one's complaining then you ain't doing your job right. Someone always complains

[static granite]

Why would they release this update . It’s horrific

[echo karma]

Past 5 updates have been horrible

Fire management already t17

[finite berry]

Dead lines, perhaps

[echo karma]

Games been on a steady decline all year. And most of last year

[worthy charm]

• The SPAs arent SPAs
• Console performance is even *BETTER now
  The End