mess-hall

[arctic rampart]

That was like top 3 worst activities to do as a cmd. Waste your time explaining to some russian bozo why he can't spam arty with his buddies even if he is a streamer with 15 viewers

[fervent dagger]

I think its the cooldown timer that will be the bit I'm not sure about. Like I'm not even sure if that's too long or too short. I think it's meant to be balanced like a heavy tank cooldown

[spiral current]

Also, I think being able to build at more than 1 HQ is actually quite a good change to defeat the repetitveness of it.

[arctic rampart]

5 minutes is fine. I still think decent recon tank solo players will have a field day with that, but it beats sending people there to sit on it the entire time

I also love that it's a separate squad. Then they at least know what they truly are and I can rip them a new one for not marking shet out

[fervent dagger]

At the end of the changelog for arty it did seem like they were implying it will have more positioning options in the future.

[spiral current]

this is also gold. There's nothing worse than a non officer player who's screwing up the artillery (i.e. doesn't know about 25 second delay or spread) and constantly causing moaning in the officer chat but not having to hear it.

[fervent dagger]

Personally I was never a fan of actually using the gun but the whole observer marking stuff idea does sound neat to me at least. I liked the lone wolf aspect that the spotter sometimes had.

[arctic rampart]

Idk, with calculators being a inevitable thing, I think the scouting/marking's not gonna be close to what people might expect

[spiral current]

like legit spotting is one of the most fun sidequests in this game.

Like, if you are spotter on a beach map and you just call out the tanks from a safe box on the beach as they make the crest over the cliffs to your waiting tanks. It's just so delightfully evil :)

[arctic rampart]

@fervent dagger Do you remember how much it costs to replenish the ammo of a static arty gun?

[fervent dagger]

No but it was less than an SPA I remember that much.

[harsh egret]

I'll be the guy that finally gets arty squad in the No Commander match. Can't wait.

[arctic rampart]

I mean no shet 😄

[fervent dagger]

I could be full of shet but I think it was around 200 munitions, something like that

The gun did have plenty of ammo by default, assuming that hasn't changed.

[arctic rampart]

I just also have a feeling I'll be the commander who tells the arty squad to f off and won't give them ammo, since their effectiveness with the arty gun won't be anywhere near cost effective.
And my munitions will still be spent on 9999 supply drops and decent bombing runs that guarantee a garry

oof 200 ammo is quite steep

That's just a tad bit less than a double arty strike is it not? Those were like 125 per?

[fervent dagger]

They upped the cost of those to around 150 I think in the latest build

[arctic rampart]

Awww hell nah then

[spiral current]

I do feel like munitions / manpower / fuel need a rebalance. Munitions is clearly the more important resource now.

[arctic rampart]

That ain't gonna be worth in any world to use 200 munitions to resupply a gun that can be destroyed at any moment

[spiral current]

e.g. what if supply drops cost were moved to 100 manpower rather than 100 munitions

[arctic rampart]

With how much supplies you need to drop, encourage would become not viable to use

[fervent dagger]

Me and some friends were messing around with it an at least in that version the gun didn't loose the ammo when it was destroyed, it kept it when it came back. Not sure if that makes sense but if I was an arty main I wouldn't complain.

[spiral current]

true, encourage now sits in a good place with airhead, because it feels like the real tactical choice for manpower.

[arctic rampart]

If that's the case, maybe it's not as bad. I mean it depends if you re-build it, is it at the old ammo count, is it full again or what

[harsh egret]

Then this needs a rework then that needs a rework and on and on and on until the entire game is unrecognizable for the people who paid for it and enjoyed it for what it was for years. That's been my beef and warning ever since pre-U18 and we already see the snowballing.

Meanwhile, all I wanted for like 3 years now is a playable framerate and to stop crashing my xbox. That's it. Can't get it.

[arctic rampart]

Absolutely. Even a single airhead needs to be really effective, otherwise huge chance you just crippled your chances of using encourage for the rest of the match

[arctic rampart]

Just get a pc in 3 years.

But the games change was a inevitable thing.

[spiral current]

nah mate, all my suggestions are great and perfect. We'll fix the game with what I'm saying and then after it's great again, and we can get round to making it XBOX compatible.

[harsh egret]

I retired from PC gaming years ago and moved to console because I was done needing to upgrade hardware every year to keep up with every new game release.

[worthy charm]

The Gabe Machine will come for us all anyway at some point

[arctic rampart]

Feels like that whole arty ammo thing's still not gonna be worth for a cmd to resupply.
200 ammo to risk:

Losing the gun at any point
The players leaving, dc'ing, getting killed by recon or anything
Them being too slow to range in a target and/or be effective with their shots

[harsh egret]

I can but I just don't care to game on PC. I work too much, am older now, and appreciate convenience.

[arctic rampart]

And since they can't destroy garries with them anyways, it's just a method of killing off a few soldiers, temporarily, assuming info is accurate and the shells are effective

[worthy charm]

Though if you upgrade your PC yearly Im not sure what youre doing

[fervent dagger]

Again I am a very unreliable narrator on that front. It could have been way cheaper then that. I genuinely can't remember the munitions cost of the resupply XD

[arctic rampart]

This same action can be done with a solo recon tank or 2-man light tank for way cheaper and less risky with the added benefit of taking down garries

[arctic rampart]

Okay, fair.

[harsh egret]

I'm exaggerating but you get the point. I used to game competitively on PC but I retired and moved on way back in like 2007 during Xbox 360.

[arctic rampart]

I think something in the ballpark of 50-75 munitions could be valid, but we'll see

[fervent dagger]

At least the arty squad can actually build nodes so they somewhat pay for themselves

[spiral current]

I guess the hope is that with a dedicated arty squad that they do things like organise how many shells they fire "ok, we will fire 3 more rounds", "ok boys, arty is firing 3 more shots. Count to 3 then we charge the garry".

[arctic rampart]

I mean yeah, but if you're in charging distance, then literally any AT soldier is also easily within rocket distance. Even for pub games

[spiral current]

Yeah, that's another thing that I've never liked :D

[harsh egret]

They already could wym?

I was a solo and would build nodes before I went to a gun?

[arctic rampart]

Even if you assume that it's not a normal squad, but let's say a recon going for the garry. They'd need to sit outside the HE round area of effect, with the whole added deviation.
Then get in after the last strike and just hope it lines up with the spawn cycles correctly to lock it out.
It's cheaper and less riskier for the recons to just be on return-fire only and sneak in to take it out. Often profiting from lack of troops or an abundance of troops to the point of confusion within the enemy ranks.

[fervent dagger]

True true, but at least with a support and engineer together it's going to be more consistent because not everyone's going to bother doing what you were.

[arctic rampart]

Normies don't swap between multiple roles within a squad to set up nodes in spawn. Not to mention the time it takes to do it.

So this squad can just set up the gun and then slowly build nodes in spawn as a side-activity if they're keen on sitting at the emplaced arty weapons

Which is a net positive for the commander enjoyers

[spiral current]

granted, I have only successfully charged in after artillery, like twice in my 2000 hours in this game. It was still cool though xD

[harsh egret]

Normies don't even pick support when you're an officer trying to build a garrison. Expecting people to be supply biotch for an arty gunner for more than like one game to try it is wishful thinking imo.

Another reason this change is overall not going to be great for the game versus what it was

[spiral current]

I'm interested that the patch notes call out spa's ability to pen heavy tanks. I wonder how practical that will be.

[arctic rampart]

I'm not entirely sure if the arty engie can build nodes themselves??
But if that is the case that would be really good

[spiral current]

Could be a really cool loop for heavy < spa < recon < heavy ...

[worthy charm]

Sure... I can remember the good old 360 times

Playing minecraft on it was my childhood frfr

[fervent dagger]

From the latest build it felt more of a last resort kinda thing. Like yeah it messed up any tank it hit but it's hard to aim because while they fixed the accuracy, it's got super high drop off and the turret turning speed is super slow.

[arctic rampart]

Cause then you can be just a chill arty SL, play as a solo SL on the front line, whilst also being responsible for directing the arty.
Whilst the newer guys who are usually addicted to sitting at the things can simply do their shelling following your commands and in the off-time set up nodes in spawn if it hasn't been done yet

[spiral current]

was it practical to try indirect shots or was the accuracy just rubbish?

[fervent dagger]

Didn't try the 3rd one but one the latest ones it was super accurate. Can't imagine people actually hitting tanks intentionally with indirect fire though unless they are afk lol.

[spiral current]

last I saw of it the arty shells had mario-kart red-shell physics xD

[arctic rampart]

What's the range on them SPA's?

Just checked a vid and it's 600m 💀

[spiral current]

this is currently a big problem with static arty. Basically, the rule is that static arty should, by default, NOT fire at tank markers. They are unlikely to score a hit because a) it moves and b) your shot is spread and c) your shot is delayed, and more than likely to kill friendly satchelers and rocketers. This feels a bit wrong as a result.

[arctic rampart]

Imagine putting one of them ~30m AoE HE shells in Train Station on Carentan... Would be fun af

[fervent dagger]

It was just an empty server with me and two friends so I never actually managed to get a game fighting a tank in an SPA, the shots do travel way faster than an arty shell takes to land. I'll say that much. The patch notes also mentioned the explosion of the HE shells hitting treads which I don't think was a thing previously.

[past vortex]

hitting what

[spiral current]

oh, that's cool.

[worthy charm]

For now

[fervent dagger]

I remember it started at 500m. Guess that was considered too weak.

[arctic rampart]

Can the arty SL build garries tho?

[fervent dagger]

Yee, they had a pocket watch

[arctic rampart]

Bruh

This squad is goated tf xD

You have outposts
You can build garries
You have your own support in the squad
You have your own engie in the squad
You can make nodes
You can get cool arty tanks
You can build arty guns

Am I missing something?

It feels like the perfect squad to play in with your lvl 300 buddies on a chill evening

Be like insanely effective with your map experience etc. whilst only having a squad of 3

[worthy charm]

You cant build a repair station.... D`:

[arctic rampart]

No need

[spiral current]

so, squad comparison of arty:

vs infantry

you don't have satchels or rockets

vs recon

you can't build op in locked and you don't have flares.

vs tanks

you can't drive the other types of tanks

yeah.... it feels pretty much like they get all the new toys.

[arctic rampart]

You have flares

[spiral current]

THE F WHAT MORE FLARES IN THIS GAME

excuse me whilst I go find a cliff.

[arctic rampart]

The Observer is most effective on the front lines, informing, guiding shots and marking enemy positions with a flare gun for your team to fire upon.

[worthy charm]

They also removed the whole OP thing

[arctic rampart]

Wait, so you don't have OP's?

[worthy charm]

So it pretty accurate without any requirement

[arctic rampart]

Or what do you mean by that?

[worthy charm]

You do, but you had to place down your OP do get more accurate

the target had to be in a 200m circel around your OP

[spiral current]

jesus trebuchet these game designers....

[arctic rampart]

Oh didn't even hear about that

Good thing that's gone

[fervent dagger]

Yeah it was like a marker than improved the accuracy of shots that landed in it. It had terrible accuracy without. That's gone now

[arctic rampart]

200m is close imho

If it doesn't break the game, this update might actually be pretty valid

[lucid shore]

Dx11 or dx12 for performance?

[arctic rampart]

My guess is 11, but no clue honestly. Just try both

[cyan saddle]

11 is more stable

12 tends to result in better average framerates but might cause stutters, crashes, and if you're unlucky weird graphical glitches

[lucid shore]

❤️

[arctic rampart]

Damn. I can't believe myself. Trying to call the squad together for a good 'ol evening in HLL tomorrow.

[past vortex]

question is can rcon autockick squad types

[runic gorge]

bar bipod finally

[winged star]

Any info about the hour-time for the update tomorrow?

[hazy owl]

it could be scripted...

[cyan saddle]

Remove anyone from squad with a certain role, ez

[static granite]

The bar doesn’t need a bipod. We need working vehicles

[past vortex]

oh true,, now i remember some did that to medics :D

[glossy ridge]

Hello guys ! by any chance did HLL devs added the dlss on the game ?

[cosmic pilot]

no

[left knot]

Guys please make giving AT launchers 3 round make sense

[past vortex]

ez
you need it to shoot all that arty tanks

[left knot]

Now any random Joe schmoe with an AT launcher can destroy a medium tank…

[past vortex]

yea but no

[left knot]

Without coordination from an ammo carrier or second AT

[past vortex]

if you let someone have 3 shots at you from the back its for the better

[left knot]

2 will disable the engine mate

[tall kettle]

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[slate canopy]

Maitenance time!

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/btX46.gif

[grand wraith]

So can the arty spotter shoot/load the static arty?

[worthy charm]

He was able to do it in the exp. branch

I would assume he still can, whilst they encourage you do join the front.

[grand wraith]

I assume they can drive shoot the spa? Lol

Just making sure in the description of the roles, there’s not a hidden message

[worthy charm]

He was able to do it in the exp. branch... 😅
Dont know if they changed that.

To be honest I didnt fully read the dev brief yet

[grand wraith]

Wonder if the magic op radius accuracy thing is still there

[worthy charm]

Thats gone since the last exp. branch update.

• a accuracy buff

Its better in close ranges now than it was before but still not that viable.

[echo karma]

68 updukes ded game

[grand wraith]

Ty for the info!

I miss you

💋

[river swan]

thiss is gotta be the biggest L of this entire update; Not only nerf armor once but nerf it twice stating the current speeds of armor was incorrect and adjusted to be slower than they were.

Like what was even the point of buffing armor just to double nerf it the next update

[past veldt]

Hitting three rockets is harder than hitting two rockets, so medium tanks are still stronger than U17 against inf. It's a bit silly right now how strong medium tanks are, so I am glad they're getting a slight nerf

[fair totem]

Just got banned on the royal marine commandos for a hour and I have no idea why. Apparently I shot a friendly, but I was American and shot a German. And I got banned for abuse! 😂😂😂

[river swan]

First they nerf the speed of Armor with this update, Secondly a team can literally have Unlimited amount of squads which they have as many AT's on a team if they wanted; let alone satchels. I've been playing since 2019 and spent 99% of my time in armor; I'm more worried about enemy ATs than enemy armor. With 3 rockets they basically nerfed Mediums out and Made Heavies priority once again like before U18. Also for who are good AT have more opportunities to snipe garrisons from 400m-700m away.

[past veldt]

You can have, at most, 20 ATs. But no one runs 20 inf squads

[fair totem]

SAS commandos server isn’t recommended!

[past veldt]

You got vote kicked, don't TK next time

[fair totem]

I didn’t team kill, I was a bloody American and shot a German right in front of me!

[river swan]

My point exactly and then imagine the amount of Satchels that can possbly come with that. But hey if AT gets 3 rockets; Limit amount of ATs per a team.

[fair totem]

I sneaked up behind him and shot him with my machine gun!

[past veldt]

You have literally never faced 20 ATs in a match. Most pub games have got like what, 7 or 8 squads?

Anyway. Mediums definitely needed a nerf. They are crazy strong in U18. Quick, cheap, in a fuel economy with a surplus of fuel now too

[river swan]

Oh so the correct response to nerf them out of existance just back before U18

[past veldt]

"out of existance"

my guy, your average pub player doesn't even know what tank it is, they're not hitting three rockets

[river swan]

No one is going to want to take medium over a heavy when AT can literally PEN and kill you from the front.

[past veldt]

You shouldn't want a medium over a heavy

heavies are still limited to two at once

so people will still be using Medium tanks

[river swan]

Now imagine multiple ATs shooting from the front; youll be dead before you know it. So there is literally no point taking a medium anymore; Especially when Germany Pz4 had the advantage over other countries.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-you-speak-heresy-warhammer-40k-what-did-you-say-don't-say-that-gif-3570587536222968742

Fun when people come here to complain and I for once agree with them.

[past veldt]

Have you considered not just sitting 100m away front peeking inf squads?

Like, these medium tanks are still going to have some speed to them. Just take a hit and move into cover

[river swan]

I lost count to how many paired ATs ive come across over 500meters or more away from point and now they get an extra rocket to make their kill possible.

Did you not read the patch notes

All Light, Medium and Heavy tanks have been rebalanced to match their intended speeds, ensuring more consistent tank performance.

An issue arose where all of these tanks were reaching higher than intended top speeds.

they nerf the speed of all armor across the board

Please make it MAKE SENSE

[steep gale]

That's the neat part...it doesn't

[river swan]

^this guy gets it

Like what was even the point of rolling out a Armor buff just to nerf it to the ground the next update

[past veldt]

It's called balancing

[steep gale]

[river swan]

Insert austism

common sense has left the chat

[past veldt]

Nice, you run out of arguments and resort to insults

🫂

[river swan]

huh

you think i was insulting you; Main character energy

Im talking about this update

[past veldt]

Mediums are too strong in U18, now they get nerfed

It's how balancing works

[river swan]

they werent that strong.

[worthy charm]

Please stay respectful

You two dont need to agree, I suggest we move on

[river swan]

Its towards this update

[past veldt]

Most tank crews were wanting to only take medium tanks in events since the start of U18, because of how strong they are

The speed + health was an issue

[river swan]

correction

Ive had number of games still in the starting medium and every crew after us would still request a heavy.

Multiple of those games where we finally died and guess what we are out of fuel from every other squad requesting heavies and dying to not the enemy armor but ATs and satchels

[steep gale]

The speed I can understand, they are crazy fast, so I'm fine with that being slowed down, but this armor update that you're referencing was non-existent in reality. Was just playing armor last night and its still 2 shots to take out a medium from the back and side.

So if we're making them "weaker" then whats the point of getting a medium if its just a glorified light/recon tank? We're going from balancing to eliminating an entire level of tanks

[river swan]

exactly..

[left knot]

Let alone taking out a medium tank, I can now destroy a light tank and then go onto destroy a recon tank without respawning or resupplying as an AT lol

3 round is absurd

[ancient harness]

They were faster than what they were meant to be. That's been corrected in U19

[left knot]

The speed is whatever

[steep gale]

Yeah, I'm fine with the medium being slowed. I was going above 40 in the Russian medium last night. That was wild lol

[ancient harness]

They should have not nerfed AT nor buffed hull HP in U18

[left knot]

3 man unit that requires coordination and skill to be effective can now be killed by a random level 1 AT

[worthy charm]

Down hill I assume? The best I did in a T34 was 35...

[ancient harness]

That was like that before U18 too and I've died more after U18 than before

[worthy charm]

T70 did 40 easily tho

[ancient harness]

Because now everyone just goes with satchels

[worthy charm]

Drifts like on skates tho

[swift tapir]

what time do the updates usually drop? i am considering calling off work.

[ancient harness]

Do not

[left knot]

Calling off work is meant for GTA 6 not a hell let loose update

[swift tapir]

im not all that into GTA myself

[left knot]

I just mean any big game release

[ancient harness]

I like that ATs are useful again. Evading AT rounds is easier than getting rid of a satchel. Or even noticing that you have one stocked to your tank

[main lance]

Always could with satchel, it’s no different now. It’s not hard to kill tanks, there’s lots of ways to do it

[left knot]

Level 1 AT doesn’t have satchel

Nothing level 1 does

[main lance]

Yeah no one cares about a level 1 Joe Schmo whose not gonna kill a tank anyhow, just saying it’s never been hard to kill tanks

[ancient harness]

Yeah, but more people will choose AT guns if they're actually useful rather than just sticking to satchels. Which gives me a chance to actually evade and counter an antitank rather than randomly exploding

[left knot]

I suppose we’ll see when the update drops

3 round AT launcher alongside the most dense urban map in the same update

[main lance]

Bold of you to assume we will survive the server crashes 😏

[ancient harness]

Tank survivability in urban maps has always been trash anyway

[left knot]

Spotter, make sure an AT doesn’t sneak up behind us using 1 of 100 alleyways

[ancient harness]

It's not new

[devout isle]

why am i seeing a very faint grey outline of enemies when im inside buildings

[ancient harness]

It could never be me

[left knot]

Known bug

Free wall hacks 👍

[nova pivot]

Tho

[nova pivot]

Tho

[worthy charm]

Thy

Mom

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[worthy charm]

Go sleep little floppa

[nova pivot]

No

[devout isle]

free wallhacks lmao

[past vortex]

all inclusive, no 3rd party software needed

the future of gaming already now

[empty quiver]

Will there be new cosmetic items tomorrow with the update?

[slate canopy]

Did you read the changelog? 😉

[empty quiver]

Where is it

[nova pivot]

Yes

[ancient harness]

Dev blog

[nova pivot]

A lot of new sexy clothes

[empty quiver]

Ooo thanks!

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/you-do-yuh-gif-24584940

[ancient harness]

German ushanka

[slate canopy]

Free 👀

[empty quiver]

When is the update dropping tomorrow?

[nova pivot]

They shouldn't be free

[slate canopy]

Sometime between 9 and 5 UK time

[nova pivot]

We are going to see the paratrooper helmet everywhere

That should be a level unlock

[past vortex]

why would you use this when you got facenet

[nova pivot]

But they don't care about realism anymore

[nova pivot]

It's goated

[ancient harness]

The full Fallschirmjägger skin is level 6 though

[nova pivot]

For that reason a random fallschjaeger helmet makes no sense

[ancient harness]

Well it's the same as unlocking most German camo helmets before the skins

[past vortex]

its the least problem tho :}

[slate canopy]

God forbid people get free stuff 🙄

[past vortex]

it makes them soft

[nova pivot]

At least those are stalhelms

Not the unique and Luftwaffe exclusive helmet only used by them and one SS division

[past vortex]

pls dont try to write german words

:}

[nova pivot]

I'm not trying

[ancient harness]

Honestly they have a better and more iconic shape than the Fallschirmjäger helmets. I don't think they will be that popular

[nova pivot]

I'm just writing them as they come to my mind

[nova pivot]

You forgot they are free

A level 0 can equip them

Something similar to what happens with the battle damaged helmets

[ancient harness]

It's not the worst thing a level 0 can do honestly 💔

[nova pivot]

The new helmet combined with white clothes

https://tenor.com/view/glitter-sparkle-flirt-make-it-gif-19563931

[ancient harness]

In Normandy

[past vortex]

white clothes are meta tho

[ancient harness]

I pray for an abominable skin for any competent tank

[gray belfry]

With U19.... two AT players, with a single Explosive Ammo box near them, can provide 12 rockets in under a minute

...and kill 4 tanks (medium/heavy) in 60 secs from a distance.

[echo karma]

But but balance

Tell em bout that jeep Johnny

[gray belfry]

Now, instead of using a Luchs, people will have better chances just driving a truck straight at the enemy.

[echo karma]

AT been ridiculous for awhile now. And they won't address it

[gray belfry]

No driver coax, no engine-damage possible, no frontal armor safety.

[echo karma]

Worse than arty imo

[gray belfry]

Luchs = garbage

[echo karma]

You like your Garry getting rocket sniped at 600m cuz someone found it??

Or pre snipe known Gary spots

[gray belfry]

12 pre-snipe rockets from now on during opener play

from 2 dudes

24 rockets, if 4 at players sit near a box

choose your maps carefully, comp teams.....

[echo karma]

Yeah but coordination wins games wahhh blah blah

[past vortex]

this is alanced by the need to have 2 arty hunting squads besides recon

its genius

[devout isle]

whats the best way to level up machine gunner

[echo karma]

Shoot ppl

[devout isle]

fair enough

[echo karma]

And garrisons

[devout isle]

didnt know if there was something specific

[echo karma]

Defending is more score no? Easier than attacking. Plus build nodes, destroy supplies etc etc

Drive truck? Fat score

[past vortex]

like with all classes build nodes first then play the class you want to level

[devout isle]

ive already unlocked everything that ive wanted so now im just tryna get dripped out

cuz idk what else to do

[echo karma]

Probably play another game. This game ded

[devout isle]

nawww i love hll

i think its the best shooter ever

[echo karma]

Lol

[devout isle]

i used to only play like vr shooters but that started to really hurt my neck and back and so i found hll and i no longer hurt everytime i try to play

[slate canopy]

If you don't like it, that's fine, let people have their fun.

[echo karma]

I was offering a suggestion as to what else to do or play. My opinion is obviously not the best fps ever. Great fps. Not best

[obtuse dragon]

What a nice update!

[slate canopy]

"This game ded" 😒 Suuuure

[obtuse dragon]

Hold on 3 AT Rockets

https://tenor.com/view/convulse-starnger-things-gif-10240135

[echo karma]

Do I speak lies?

[slate canopy]

Yes?

[devout isle]

yes

[obtuse dragon]

Yeah

[echo karma]

Lmao based indeed

[devout isle]

i was literally playing like 2 seconds ago and there was like 20 full servers

[echo karma]

20x100=

[obtuse dragon]

There are games that are actually dead like beyond the wire

[echo karma]

Anthem

[obtuse dragon]

Or tannenberg, or the OG RO

[devout isle]

i played verdun and it was quite dead

[slate canopy]

cries about PC Blacklight Retribution

[obtuse dragon]

yeah But atleast it gets full servers at peak hours, poor tannenberg only gets 7 players at peak hours 🥀

[devout isle]

😭

[echo karma]

They killed the playerbase months ago. Suprised it's still around tbh. When V?

[obtuse dragon]

Hll Is anything but dead, wanna talk about dead games? Look at the rotting corpse of beyond the wire

[echo karma]

It's deader than ps reincarnated

[devout isle]

did hell let loose ever think about making a ww1 game out of curiosity

[obtuse dragon]

I'm pretty sure it's not on the devs plans since, yk, Vietnam

[devout isle]

well yea

but i mean before like hell let loose was made

[echo karma]

I'm suprised they got 50mill tho. Last epoch got 100mill for there crappy arpg

[obtuse dragon]

But it would be cool, since we already have a Bolt action only experience with the british

[echo karma]

Nah izonzo like the only game like that maybe older ww2 games

[obtuse dragon]

Don't think so, but team 17 has a horror ww1 game, conscript

[devout isle]

i feel hll vietnam will become a horror game

[obtuse dragon]

a horror game for our framerate

[devout isle]

bodycam kills my computers framerate

[pale hamlet]

Have you ever played Rising Storm 2 in it's heyday ? Imagine that

but better graphics

[normal fjord]

tanks are way too OP

[devout isle]

naw

idk what that is 😭

[pale hamlet]

Safe to say , I will be shooting you guys with my rice hat and you won't know from where.

[river swan]

No they arent

[past vortex]

but how much damage will a rice hat do

[devout isle]

enough

[fair totem]

Napalm strikes are going to kill entire squads!

[devout isle]

are there gonna be tunnel systems 🤔

[normal fjord]

ask any comp player, too OP

[past vortex]

yes, but like with helis we dont know if fully functional or blackboxes

[river swan]

Comp is Irrelevant to the average gamer; Comp puts bans n limitations of game mechanics. The few games of comp that i played personally back in the day and watched have armor as linebacker type of strategy.

[normal fjord]

not anymore. Now because tanks so OP it's just rush tanks and win

[hard grail]

Anyone know what time (and Timezone) the new Update drops?

[river swan]

Interesting; haven't seen anything with U18 but AT does not need 3 rockets; Just give armor their speed nerf. The Pz4 was unique not being able to get penned from the front n sides which made it better than every faction with the T-34 follow closely behind.

It takes 3 people to coordnate in an steelbox and now you can literally have 1 AT break that down in a single life.

[normal fjord]

good

still too OP

[river swan]

I mean in a sense armor should be OP though; its a tank. Infantry has multiple ways to overcome a 3 person vehicle that needs to efficiently coordinate with one another to be even remotely effective on the battlefield.

[devout isle]

i just stay away from it and get out of its line of sight

[past vortex]

uk working hours

[river swan]

As someone who only plays armor in this game with a set crew; I can say we are more afraid of enemy ATs/satchels than the enemy Armor. We've died more to AT/satchels than actually being killed by another armor.

[hard grail]

Thanks for that. So 8-16hrs from now?

[left knot]

Ragebait

[left knot]

Why are comp players complaining about tanks being OP. Just get better tankers in your division. Skill issue

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[river swan]

Exactly

[lucid shore]

This is the only game that stutters for me. Not e en warzone or other fps.

[devout isle]

why are people so rude to me 🥀

everybody was trying to attack when we needed to defend and i was tryna tell people to defend and they were like "stop complaining in a new player server... if you want them to defend go and teach them"

like bro they arent gonna listen to me and im not gonna "teach" 50 people 😭

[crimson siren]

is there crossplay?

[devout isle]

yes

[crimson siren]

between pc and console?

[devout isle]

yes

[crimson siren]

thank you

[devout isle]

yw

[slate canopy]

Incorrect.

[devout isle]

there is no crossplay?

[slate canopy]

PC crossplay is between Steam (Steam icon), Epic Games (Controller icon), and PC Gamepass (Controller icon).

Console crossplaay is between XBOX and PlayStation.

[devout isle]

then why does pc even have a controller icon 😭

i always thought it was console players

[slate canopy]

It's to distinguish between Steam and non-steam.

[devout isle]

this is so confusing

[slate canopy]

It's crossplay, just not a 'true' crossplay.

[devout isle]

i constantly saw a controller icon for people and i thought that was console

[slate canopy]

Yup, it's not 🙂 It's either Epic or PC Gamepass.

[devout isle]

i feel like they should change it to a pc symbol or something

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ That's up to the devs.

[past vortex]

lol, im pretty sure its that way because the controller icon is stock in UE :D

[past vortex]

for non-steam players everyone has a controller icon :}

[crimson siren]

will hell let loose be "true" crossplay anytime soon?

[slate canopy]

There is no plan.

[crimson siren]

damn

[devout isle]

ooooo new dlcs come out tomorrow

[young mason]

I’m bored, need a unit, no one is responding in any of the channels

[slate canopy]

#console-looking-for-unit is best place to find folks. Maybe find a community to join if you haven't?

[brittle inlet]

the wrong photos are displayed for the red devils cosmetics in microsoft store, possible to make devs aware?

[river swan]

So we aint going to talk about a serious matter here but not an exaggeration the bazooka being unable to pen the front or side of Axis mediums has been a thing since the game was released into early access back in 2019; For over 6 years it's been like this, and they just decided on a whim to change it and not even put it in the experimental branch?

[devout isle]

ill join

[brittle inlet]

correct me if i’m wrong, but i thought they can pen side, only if a direct shot (not at an angle)?

[river swan]

Negative, Only the rear of the Pz4

[sturdy quarry]

yeah so US get better rifle and better AT iron sights, and no downside

[river swan]

Exactly

[sturdy quarry]

they are removing asymetrical

Garand will be changed to bolt action next patch

[river swan]

Oooo Foreshadowing the next upcoming update

[brittle inlet]

wait a minute…

the german coat shown in the Suvurov uniform pack looks mighty similar to a coat which we ALREADY got..

[river swan]

US gets a double buff; this update is a literal L and makes mediums non-existing just like post U18

[dusty bolt]

https://www.purexbox.com/news/2025/12/five-games-are-leaving-xbox-game-pass-in-december-2025

So long HLL

[devout isle]

does the winter warfare dlc come out this month

[slate canopy]

Possibly January? 🤷‍♀️ There isn't a set date, but soon!

[devout isle]

damn

[gloomy junco]

wwwwwwhat

so HLL is leaving XGP end of the month

[river swan]

@strong wagon

[opaque parcel]

Taking bets now!!! Come one come all! Will T17 produce an update that does not break the game/require a hotfix due to said update?
Current Odds:
✅ (6%) Update works as intented/doesn't break anything
❌ (94%) Breaks the game/requires a hotfix

[graceful solstice]

im still constantly getting lost connection to host when i've never had that happen in the last 6 years

[still orbit]

The game actually senses your bad mindset and severes your connection due to this

Just try and play with more positive thoughts in mind and ur issue should be fixed by itself

[brittle inlet]

x

[shrewd cradle]

What time is it dropping?

[thin scarab]

12pm

[uncut surge]

What time should we wait for update 19?

[polar wasp]

anyone else get a random friend request from some guy named pendejo?

[empty quiver]

Can we start playing right after?

[vestal nimbus]

probably gonna take 30 mins to download

[misty galleon]

Usually drops 11am UTC (uk time)

[tropic haven]

Hey fellas, when is the update gonna be available on PS5?

11am?

[misty galleon]

Usually yes. The develop normally pings everyone once it’s live too 👍🏼

[tropic haven]

Yea Ik

I just haven’t used the sever much lol

[fluid pawn]

I'll be sure to @ the HLL News role in #telegrams when we go live don't worry @tropic haven

[empty quiver]

Will the DLC's drop at the same time?

[mint ocean]

the gloves its got don't physically work the way they do in the pic

[main harness]

Did they change the rocket number back to 2?

[empty quiver]

Idk about more commander uniform... We cold really use more winter clothing/coats.

[mint ocean]

one thing i dislike abt HLL uniforms especially these days is how everything is skintight too, nothing looks the way it's supposed to

[empty quiver]

The US paratrooper uniforms look fine

[mint ocean]

also dislike abt all these things turning into generals all of a sudden. the game is on a scale where the guy would be like a major at most

[misty galleon]

Busy morning for you ahead, I hope you’ve had your coffee 😆

[empty quiver]

Colonel rather

[umbral osprey]

If you play on Epic or PC Xbox the Steam players have a controller icon too

[empty quiver]

Colonel is the highest field rank

[fluid pawn]

In the time since I dropped the CL to now, no Badger. That doesn't mean it won't change in the future. Be sure to let us know feedback post-U19 release

[fluid pawn]

Just finished coffee #1, and the kettle is already boiling for #2

[mint ocean]

yea and they usually don't command units as small as a battalion, even though HLL scale barely reaches a company

[empty quiver]

Boss, will the DLC's drop when the update is live?

[empty quiver]

Batallions and units are seperate things, I think Colonels command whole brigades.

[fluid pawn]

Yup, the free DLC will be in your inventory I believe (or you may have to download them I'm not too sure ahah), and the paid will be in the store

[mint ocean]

battalions are units

as are companies, squads etc whatever

[empty quiver]

Oh fr?

[mint ocean]

i dont understand what you mean

[empty quiver]

So what's a brigade then?

[mint ocean]

another unit, includes several battalions

[empty quiver]

Fair

[mint ocean]

a squad is some 8-12 men, a platoon consists of squads, a company of platoons, a battallion of companies, a brigade of battallions and so on

[empty quiver]

Alright, so what's a division?

[mint ocean]

thousands of people

[empty quiver]

Yeah, I guess that's uniform they had in mind then xD

[mint ocean]

several brigades

[mint ocean]

they often have very little of anything in mind when making uniforms

there was a very talented outsourced uniform maker in the past who had most things correct and things looked sensibly realistic and human

[empty quiver]

Yeah I've noticed, it's kind of a mix-match between stuff

[mint ocean]

all of the trousers have ok proportions lately, but torsos and jackets look skeleton-like and skintight

[empty quiver]

For instance, it would be cool if the german officer uniforms actually looked like officer uniforms

In-game you rarely ever know if you're killing a commander/officer or regular soldier

They all look the same

[empty quiver]

But weren't uniforms tailored individually for soldiers? At least the germans?

[mint ocean]

also there's this odd scarf epidemic where they add a scarf to the neck of the figure, but you can tell that the collar of the uniform simply does not exist

[mint ocean]

no

and even when tailored fittingly, they aren't skintight but have lots of room for proper movement

the biggest factor to being skin tight would be shrinking and forming into the bodyshape due to getting wet a lot

[mint ocean]

they did irl

[empty quiver]

I wish they add a player costumizability feature, to make people actually look diff

I don't like that everyone looks identical

[mint ocean]

the current customization already has much more notable and unrealistic variation than irl

[empty quiver]

I mean, being able to make your own character appearance, length, width etc... Which would alter the uniforms, to not make them look skintight.

[mint ocean]

they'd still look skintight if they're modeled that way

they have to be modeled to fit properly from the get go

[empty quiver]

Maybe it's a hitbox thing

[mint ocean]

otherwise you'd just have tall and short people with tight uniforms

[empty quiver]

lmfao

a whole brigade of skinny midgets

[mint ocean]

doubt it's a hitbox thing, i'd imagine it's the modeler having a 3d mannequin puppet to which his style of modeling is just the kind that hugs the base shape a lot

[empty quiver]

probably

what unreal engine is HLL using?

[mint ocean]

idk

[empty quiver]

prob 4

[tropic haven]

Yk the dead body despawn delay why can’t you do the setting for that on PS5?

Kinda want it to be a feature on console

[mint ocean]

what's the typical range you can start shooting at people on console? due to the inaccurate controls i assume it to be somewhat close?

[cyan pelican]

How long till the update again?

[tropic haven]

1h

How do you get roles on here like assault or engineer?

[tight mist]

It's not that hard on console since there's a bit of aim assist too

[tight mist]

1 hour till the new update?

[tropic haven]

I think

[empty quiver]

true

[empty quiver]

#class-select

[half rune]

When is the update dropping today does anyone know?

[fossil thicket]

.

[smoky urchin]

Usually 11:00 GMT for big updates but I've not heard anything yet

[sturdy quarry]

all the other free dlc you had to claim to add to account, such as the battle scarred helmets, russian gnome helmet etc.

speaking of which when will winter warfare dlc with the head scarves be active again? think the devs forgot last winter

[half rune]

Thank you!

[tropic haven]

Yea apparently 11am UK time

I will keep you posted

[mint idol]

Why do I keep dying but never see anybody

How do I find people to kill? I never see anybody.

[haughty geode]

So when new North African map?

[smoky urchin]

They said they wouldn't be revisiting that for a long time after release of Tobruk

[haughty geode]

Noooooooooo

My beloved DAK

[smoky urchin]

It's still for 11:00 so in 9 minutes.

[inland patio]

It takes practice, but for the most part you want to move cover to cover only. While in cover, peak out, see if someone shoots at you. Usually you can get a direction from that. Poke out of cover multiple times to narrow down their location/look at a different area each time. It's pretty hard to see a stationary target unless you get lucky and see their muzzle flash

[ancient harness]

It's live now

[mint idol]

Oh

[open sundial]

better armored team

[mint idol]

Is artillery really hard I’ve killed about 10 friendly and probably only around 15 enemies

[inland patio]

haha, I recommend looking up guides on arty though with the update today it's going to be changing. There's lots of nuance to being good at it

[open sundial]

i can send you one pic to make ur shoots better

[worthy charm]

Communication is the favorite word of everyone useing arty. Its hard if no one is talking to you.

[worthy charm]

Exactly 😅

[open sundial]

If you set maybe on 1100 u can easy set 1125-1150-1175

[mint idol]

No one ever speaks

[worthy charm]

In the next 24h arty gonna change completly

[mint idol]

Uodatw?

[open sundial]

SPA cant destroy garry? wth

[worthy charm]

Play on community server and pray, thats about everything you can do, besides joining a clan.

[worthy charm]

Obviously

Its a tank like vehicle

[inland patio]

Yeah, there's lots of clans/units/communities that communicate privately in discord, so joining them can improve your experience greatly.

[open sundial]

150mm cannon KV-2 can destroy normal structures but not garry

[worthy charm]

Sir

[inland patio]

With this update they seem to be going with what's fun rather than what makes sense

[worthy charm]

sarcasm

[mint idol]

All right

[worthy charm]

It can destroy garrisions assuming you hit them

Which probably isnt to hard when you get them spotted.

[open sundial]

theres info about SPA cost in game?

[inland patio]

I thought patch nodes said SPA can't destroy garies?

[empty quiver]

Tanks can’t only SPA

[worthy charm]

It did cost 280 ammo on the exp. branch

[empty quiver]

I think

[worthy charm]

It did? Then they changed that, apologies I didnt have the time yet to read through the notes.

[inland patio]

Pretty sure it's SPA that can't because they don't even need LOS to bombard

[empty quiver]

They kinda do though

Not easy to aim with SPA

Imo only commander resources and static art should be able to destroy garrisons, in terms of heavy ordinance

[worthy charm]

What they changed was that heavys cant destroy T2 barricades etc, so you use SPAs for that.

Tanks should still be able to destroy garrisions as usual

[inland patio]

Yeah, that also means that SPA can't destroy garries right? I guess I'll find out shortly

[worthy charm]

Indeed, assuming I did read the sentence in the image above correctly...

Which is probably smart... Sorry for the mix up

[empty quiver]

How do I select tank skins, anyone know?

I can't seem to find where that's done

[obtuse dragon]

Dude

There's no way the new DLC costs the same as the operation lüttich, overlord and the western campaign units 😭😭😭

[ancient harness]

It's done in game with the wrench

[worthy charm]

*the second wrench if you use the new loadout

[obtuse dragon]

It only comes with the soviet units dude, why does it cost the same as a cosmetic pack for both sides 😔

nvm it has german units yepee

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[dim snow]

Where’s the free fallschirmjager helmet covers ?

[obtuse dragon]

Check on the store

[ancient harness]

The standard Fallschirmjäger helmet that was already in the game is now level 8 😂

[fluid pawn]

You need to "install" them. They'll appear as free on the store page 🙂

[urban quail]

"the penetration values on the Bazooka have been increased to bring it in line with other faction launchers" duuuuude finally

[novel geyser]

Hiiii Ben:)))
Yknow those fallschirmjager helmets would go nice with a subfaction

[tardy mantle]

Is the update out on console?

[austere ivy]

Across all platforms. Yes

[obtuse dragon]

Good, now i can finally get a fallschirmjäger soldier without having to level him up to lvl 8

Wait, Is it account lvl 8 or class lvl 8? Because I'm pretty sure the fallschirmjäger helmet was always class lvl 8

[novel geyser]

Class level 8

[fluid pawn]

Sometimes the console platforms may have a larger update size or may take a little while longer to appear on them. It should be with you soon if it hasn't already

[austere ivy]

I believe the only cosmetic that was really only locked to account level are the heads. I could be wrong though

[ancient harness]

I think I had that helmet and the only class I'm higher than level 8 is tank commander

It doesn't really matter since the whole skin is still locked to level 8

[tardy mantle]

Is the artillery only on the new map?

[fluid pawn]

Nope all maps

[austere ivy]

Across all maps

[obtuse dragon]

Are you sure you didn't had the one that came as a DLC?

[ancient harness]

It was the gray one, the standard

I'm pretty sure I had that one mainly because I'm trying to get the Fallschirmjäger loadout for the AR and I checked last week

Idk I might be just crazy

[obtuse dragon]

Ngl I thought you meant account level instead of class level 😭

[novel geyser]

The fallschirmjager dlc didn't come with a helmet they made one for it but never released it fsr

There is a level 8 unlock outfit and helmet tho

[obtuse dragon]

The other one, the skull bucket DLC i think

[novel geyser]

Oh yeah that had a painted one

[ancient harness]

I can't see the DLCs anyway

[obtuse dragon]

The one that comes on the ultimate edition

[nova pivot]

And the white camo one

[ancient harness]

Oh maybe I checked that helmet with the engineer class which I do have at level 8

[novel geyser]

I forget about that one

[nova pivot]

Never

It's my go to helmet for snow maps

[nova pivot]

Check the console store

[obtuse dragon]

Probably that one, because the fj helmet was always class lvl 8

[ancient harness]

Right

[obtuse dragon]

which Is horrible because i am NOT getting class lvl 8 on the automatic rifleman just to play as a fallschirmjäger 🥀

[novel geyser]

It's why we need subfactions

[nova pivot]

Build nodes

[ancient harness]

I don't understand that you have to grind to level 8 for the default gray helmet

[obtuse dragon]

What do you think I've been doing for the past 5 days

[nova pivot]

Skill issue then

[nova pivot]

Because it is a specialized helmet for specialized units , makes sense it's high in the unlocks

[ancient harness]

Yeah but they're giving away Fallschirmjäger helmets now man 💔💔💔

[fluid pawn]

What platform you on?

[novel geyser]

But now anyone can wear the covered ones :)

[fluid pawn]

If on steam it's under free DLC

[nova pivot]

It was a rare sight; the paratrooper units that fought in France sometimes wore normal helmets.

[nova pivot]

This makes no sens

[half rune]

Im not seeing the new dlc on console, I dont know why

[ancient harness]

See they're giving away cammo Fallschirmjäger helmets while the normal gray one is a level 8 unlock

[fluid pawn]

I'll chase the team now

[ancient harness]

Neither am I

[haughty geode]

Boom, someone who knows what he is talking about

[nova pivot]

The camo ones should be level unlocks too

[haughty geode]

Subfaction

[obtuse dragon]

It would be nice if they made the base fallschirmjäger helmet level 100 instead of a class lvl 8

[ancient harness]

They sould've swapped them and give away the standard one, and make the cammo ones a level unlock

[fluid pawn]

What console?

[obtuse dragon]

Or make it level 6 or 7, But not level 8 Bro 😭😭😭

[nova pivot]

Anything free should be a level unlock

[novel geyser]

Paratroopers should be subfactions not cosmetic unlocks tbh

[nova pivot]

It's too late for that

[half rune]

Xbox

[ancient harness]

Xbox in my case

[novel geyser]

Not really

They added eigth army and dak

[fluid pawn]

Seems like there is a small delay from Xbox. PlayStation should be fine though

[nova pivot]

What do they do with the money from people who bought the Paratrooper DLC?

[obtuse dragon]

It's never too late in game design

[novel geyser]

The paratrooper dlc will still be available just for the subfaction

[nova pivot]

They have already sold cosmetics

[ancient harness]

I'm going to try the artillery tank and I'll try not to cry

[novel geyser]

Tough pill to swallow but it's for the best

[nova pivot]

So it's worth the same, but you can use it on a map

[half rune]

Ah okay i'll have to wait to spend money for the dlc then, damnnn microsoft😂

[nova pivot]

Because paratroopers would be accurate in carentan and...?

[novel geyser]

There's more than just one map the fallschirmjager could be on

And they can always add more

[novel geyser]

Hill 400 and remagen

[ancient harness]

Also I grinded the level 8 tank commander skin and now I have to grind them again for the artillery squad

[nova pivot]

I want north Africa paratroopers 😭

[obtuse dragon]

You'll probably lvl up faster than the average tanker

Those things are insanely strong as far as i've seen

[ancient harness]

I don't play much though, since I need my crew too

[novel geyser]

Ive already made my suggestion on how they can rework the british airborne dlc to make room for a subfaction
Making the airborne dlc is just stupid

[ancient harness]

(I hate it)

[tight mist]

Why have they made the game look so blurry is it for a more realistic look or something?

[novel geyser]

Change your Anti alias setting

[half rune]

Nah its not blurry

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-charlamagne-tha-god-gif-25196238

[tight mist]

It is on console

[forest slate]

anyone knows the code for new map? cant switch to it through BM

[ancient harness]

280 supplies for the German artillery tank 💔💔💔💔

What is this dude

[novel geyser]

Does console not have any graphics options

[ancient harness]

Oneshotting medium tanks with a 280 supplies worth tank

[gaunt cedar]

BM is probably broken as there’s all new RCON commands for map change I think. CRCON is also not working

[obtuse dragon]

Less than a medium dude 😭

[tight mist]

Nope only motion blur but I've always had that on and it's only for when you turn the whole game is looking more blurry since this update

[ancient harness]

Nah the medium is 200. They changed it in U18

But still, how is a tank that can literally oneshot mediums just 280?

[novel geyser]

Dunno then I dont play on console

[silver gyro]

With the bazooka getting the same penetration value as the Panzerschreck, bazooka seems like a straight up better launcher with an easier trajectory. Or did they also make all launcher trajectories identical?

[ancient harness]

I don't think so

I just don't know why they nerfed ATs in U18 and why they've just not reverted rather than making this abomination of a rebalance

[half rune]

Do you possibly know how long the delay will last?

[sacred quail]

why does my character have Parkinson's disease

[shut ruin]

Poor optimisation on ps5 across all maps

[ancient harness]

They've made the default face so creepy man

[fluid pawn]

SHould be with you soon 🙂

[candid glacier]

How do you mess a game up 3 updates in a row….

The picture is grainy across the board and you hold your breath takes 3 seconds to render.

Abysmal.

Don’t you test your game play before.

The entire game looks like it is being played with motion blur

[fervent dagger]

It was way harder to aim them and they have super long reload speeds, at least in the final experimental branch. I think it’s probably fair play if you actually manage to hit someone with it

[half rune]

Okay👍

[fervent meadow]

Is that the same if you just fire AP like an artillery round though? Could the SPA fire on a static tank position with AP without line of sight and score a kill?

[ancient harness]

27 kmh for the Sturmpanzer

Which is not surprising considering it's a Panzer IV but still

[fervent meadow]

Or is AP limited to kind of flat, like of sight trajectories

[fervent dagger]

Nah you could Arc the ap round. Would work in theory but the tank would have to be very stationary and from testing it looked like the shots still have a little scatter.

[novel geyser]

Are you in a multiplayer match or the explore mode

[fervent meadow]

I mean the way that tanks sometimes get played, especially comp games, feels like that’s a possibility

[novel geyser]

Still waiting for them to 3d scan Ben into the game and make him a head for the british

[misty belfry]

dowloading. oh i cant wait for the bugs

[gaunt cedar]

smolensk_warfare_day
smolensk_warfare_dusk
smolensk_warfare_night
smolensk_offensiveGer_Day
smolensk_offensiveRus_day
smolensk_offensiveGer_dusk
smolensk_offensiveRus_dusk
smolensk_offensiveGer_night
smolensk_offensiveRus_night
smolensk_skirmish_day
smolensk_skirmish_dusk
smolensk_skirmish_night

[ancient harness]

Yeah why does my character have parkinson

[sacred quail]

explore

[fervent meadow]

Something is definitely f’d up on the console release

[candid glacier]

@fluid pawn

[novel geyser]

Yeah thought so
Seems explore has some issues with shaky animations
It should be fine in mp

[river rover]

Clear cache

[thin scarab]

What a surprise….. NOT

[gaunt cedar]

#1445732994269712505

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538055883075354637/1425201498769330216/image.png?ex=69313694&is=692fe514&hm=f218fa7e8f0ee1ed64211a645a5feb72ca36254d316a43788122e21acd517252&

[worthy charm]

[ancient harness]

Is the Sherman meant to be supermaneuverable?

[fervent meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[misty belfry]

Mans gotta live, but the timing...

[fervent meadow]

Something is seriously cooked on console.

All player models in barracks and main menu are grainy / blurry. Same issue in game servers too.

Also runs at about 15 FPS.

Here we go again….

[blazing summit]

These guys always on holiday when an update drops, how convenient

[thin scarab]

I tought They Test on Console aswell?

[fervent dagger]

Funny meme but it’s probably fair to mention that’s an old image lol.

[ancient harness]

Lmao

[blazing summit]

My bad 🤣

[finite ravine]

You sweet, sweet summer child

[fluid pawn]

Explore mode has janky physics (as seen in previous updates). Are the shaky hands in the live mode as well?

[thin scarab]

Well its there 3 Update in a row Thats just Bad

[fluid pawn]

Elise...... 🤥

[thin scarab]

I can remember Yes After They told us that They do better Next time

[worthy charm]

Callimg U14 the best Update is crazy

[fluid pawn]

Everyone is here for the update.
This is an old screenshot when someone asked a questions about a future update (back when U18 came out) and I said that the person responsible for that specific question (who was unrelated to the current U18 stuff at the time) was away.

[sturdy quarry]

everyone is here for the update, so we still broke the console release

[placid mural]

Nothing renders properly loading screens included . I had to get off it was giving me a head ache how Blury Smolensk was

[blazing summit]

How long till graphics issue is likely to be sorted? Any time frame would be helpful

[thin scarab]

Tell the Devs That They should Test on Console because its becoming a joke now.

I know you cant do Anyting About it 🙂

[placid mural]

Then found sme was to . Super stoked the games broken . Hats off to use

[sturdy quarry]

every patch since T17 took over has broken something that would be obvious within 5 mins of playing

(wasnt much better under BM)

[placid mural]

For what it’s worth Smolensk seems like it’s got potential. But makes me feel like I need prescription lenses or something honestly hurt my eyes

[finite ravine]

The prescription is to uninstall the game

[worthy charm]

I was about to start typing

:}

[sturdy quarry]

after U18 its madness to not thoroughly test U19

looking fwd to HLL:V anyone?

[neat crown]

Nice l update

[blazing summit]

Surely reverting to previous update would be the smarter move considering recent update issues, once fully sorted for console then re-release update 19 when its actually ready, these updates just seem rushed, quality of gameplay should take priority over new maps imo

[sturdy quarry]

no, faq says reusing code

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/sidelook-gif-9600118

[gilded spade]

Just stop touching the game

[main lance]

He’s right, bring back run speed

[worthy charm]

In parts, its still UE5

[nova pivot]

I can't stop touching

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-poking-poke-imma-touch-you-im-gonna-touch-u-gif-11953692277820753700

[gentle lintel]

Boop

[worthy charm]

I wouldnt have thought you do that infront of me... 🥺

[stable shoal]

Can someone help me out; after the new update my game "just died" - even in the main lobby my game looks like it's running at <30 FPS. Before the update the game was perfect, smooth as butter...

[nova pivot]

I touch you everyday, Learn to share

[finite berry]

Old screeshot ^^

[finite berry]

Sorry ❤️ let a man make a joke ^^

[nova pivot]

It's okay Elise, I'll fight the bad Ben if he tries to harm you

[finite berry]

No, it would not.

[finite berry]

Naw ❤️

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/never-alfred-batman-gif-26337878

[finite berry]

:(

[winter sandal]

And how the update?

Good?

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/user808080-gif-23950807

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeong-gif-3654754744145897317

[ancient harness]

💔

[sturdy quarry]

i think its bust for console players

[worthy charm]

Floppa isnt stronger than a Polar bear

[fluid pawn]

Seems console players are having some issues that we are looking into rn

[stable shoal]

I play on PC tho :/

[finite berry]

Floppa is the strongest

[nova pivot]

There's no need to involve her in this.

[sturdy quarry]

ohh...

[sturdy quarry]

ben why dont they test things?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/rtl-richterin-barbara-salesch-gericht-gerichtsshow-gif-5620786050611496600

[main harness]

They don't play the game, so what do they care about testing it.

[fluid pawn]

We have been and haven't had issues

[nova pivot]

Did you test it on consoles too?

[fluid pawn]

Will update you shortly

[fluid pawn]

Yep

[main harness]

Theres an open invite for ANY dev to come play the game with me, or any other tanker.

[fluid pawn]

We test on all platforms

[sturdy quarry]

and yet...

[fluid pawn]

Appreciate that badger

[main harness]

Just slide into my DMs like @main lance mother does.

[main lance]

The rise of COPE, we’re so back

[sturdy quarry]

i will SL a team of devs if they all wear russian gnome helmet

[main lance]

Badger is a bean man, he’s not to be trusted

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584475715836051456/1434649080516317397/caption.gif

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-chompski-hl2-l4d2-gmod-gif-6416566021240970185

[nova pivot]

I found that gnome in mortain

[finite berry]

I genuinely believe that. UE4 can be random as fu ck, especially given how messed up this game's code apparently is.

[cyan pelican]

So somehow the Vaseline filter got passed through the QA department… question is how does something like this get overlooked?

[worthy charm]

Thats a @atomic pendant easteregg? Now we just need to find out what he had to do with Gnomes... 🤔

[half rune]

Are the new helmets pc exclusive?

[sturdy quarry]

no but issues with the dlc in xbox store i think

[half rune]

Oh okay, cuz i only found the new dlc and not the helmets so thats why im asking

[nova pivot]

There is a bug

[vivid temple]

THIS UPDATE IS SO GOOOOD

[echo karma]

Stupid question number 1

[main harness]

have you played it?

[vivid temple]

yes

[echo karma]

Do you test in a vacuume with zero ping issues? Yes yes you do

[eager orbit]

@fluid pawn Is it possible to publish some real numbers, as has been done before, regarding:
– What the recon tank damage has been increased to (350 or 400)?
– Which vehicles can destroy which buildables (for example: Heavy Tank → Hedgehog ❌ )?

[finite berry]

There's a good chance it simply didn't happen to them

[flint flicker]

Launch new map and only ruin that new map❌
Launch new map what dont work and ruin other maps allso✅

Hotfix when?

[echo karma]

2 months

[fluid pawn]

If anyone wants to contribute any evidence of console issues please add here https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/1445747011834876034

HD video would be ideal

[echo karma]

Is this troll?

[fluid pawn]

Will get this info and share with everyone

[winter sandal]

Just use your console and play

Best evidence

[winged briar]

Amen, but yet a heavy requires 2 shots to the side hull of a medium. Was told by Ben there was going to be some in depth armor fixes. Wonder what the armor team is up too

[echo karma]

Has to be troll no?

[fluid pawn]

I'm looking at the QA team play on console at this moment and it's looking fine which is why I've asked if anyone has video evidence please send it to us

[echo karma]

Rust runs better than hll

[main harness]

These fixes are super easy for them to do. Just tweak the numbers.

Make it so heavy will kill another heavy with a body shot + turret shot. Make it so that turret then turret will also kill a heavy.

For heavy vs medium, 1 shot to the side, 2 to front plate.

Just change the numbers...

[cyan pelican]

How does the ps5 pro look btw? It could be a bug with pssr

[main harness]

The SPA will 1 shot a medium tank with AP... So its super easy to put back in.

[sturdy quarry]

i dont have console but do they have performance mode vs detail mode or summit

[echo karma]

Just test things and don't change random things every damn update

[echo karma]

Remagen says hi

[fluid pawn]

Let me find out

[winged briar]

Nailed it.

[cyan pelican]

Thank you

[gaunt cedar]

Hey Ben I’d be looking and seeing if there were any changes to the AA method applied for consoles in U19. It’s definately less sharp and smudgey compared to what it was. On PC you have community AA, clarity AA, etc. perhaps it was changed by accident

That or the dynamic resolution bounds changed somehow

[winged briar]

@fluid pawn this is something that can easily be implemented in a hot fix if the armor team can see

[winter sandal]

Thanks to HLL I found out I have a fake PlayStation. I thought I had a PS5, but when playing HLL it turns out I actually have a PS2

[echo karma]

Uhh where is the patch notes? I see no numbers

And why tf is a kv2 an spa???

[gilded spade]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-with-sunglasses-driving-car-gif-15362018975526912371

[main harness]

The armour team should reach out to people who actually play armour... Instead of taking wild stabs in the dark based on what they think or come up with in the break room...

[echo karma]

We just making up history again huh?

[spiral current]

Ccommander role isn't available from pratice range. Is that a new bug?

[ancient harness]

If only

[echo karma]

I didn't even see bug fixes in changelog

[winged briar]

Exactly

[echo karma]

That's like the beginning part to poe patch notes without the numbers lol

[main harness]

They made tanks harder to kill, then changed it back to how it was just in a different way(3 rockets rather than 2)

[harsh egret]

Poor Ben. I'm not even going to say anything. I've already said enough for the past like 5 updates as I watched this game swirl the drain. What a shame.

[main harness]

All while saying they want to reduce rocket spam?

[brittle spade]

How is it possible to F up 3 updates so bad and still have a job. The confidence T17 has with planning to release HLL Vietnam during next year is immense, when they can't get a single update to be functional. Before I see anything else I believe Vietnam will be an absolute garbage bag of a game.

[winged briar]

There has been countless armor cats with thousands of hours preaching pretty much the same changes for months now just to have the armor feedback thread taken down and only getting changes.

[echo karma]

Another 14% player loss

[winged briar]

Instantly

[echo karma]

I could look at the steam numbers and reviews and see the glaring issues lol

[winged briar]

It's almost comical at this point

[echo karma]

Might hop on later and check it out. Hope it doesn't crash my xsx again

I crashed more in this game than hd2 with there horrible update. On average like 3 times a match

[fringe hollow]

Lmao who renamed themselves that

[harsh egret]

You don't keep adding or changing things on top of a broken foundation. If you weren't going to do anything about bad optimization for years, yall had no business adding all this other crap in the first place. I have been saying this for the past 5+ updates. The proof is in the pudding. Our game is gone now.

[umbral osprey]

Waiting to see the message lol

[winged briar]

Ahahaha same

Better be good t17 fails

[echo karma]

It's been gon for awhile brother.

[fringe hollow]

I love paragraph after paragraph in general chat lmao.

[echo karma]

I canr read so

[fringe hollow]

For the best

[echo karma]

Comp and console are the only ppl left lol

Fkin kv2 spa lmao wtf

[fringe hollow]

I'm neither of those things and I'm still here

[finite ravine]

Because the KV-2 was primarily used as an assault gun? Just like the Sturmpanzer and Sherman 105mm were also used for. SPGs fall under the SPA category

[umbral osprey]

I've still been having a ton of fun as always with very few bugs

[fringe hollow]

though I've been having more fun elsewhere for the last 4 months

[winged briar]

And even then a lot of comp and tankers at least have put the game down

[echo karma]

I've had no fun since Kharkov tbh. Been on a steady decline

[fringe hollow]

SPG and SPA are two different things. Artillery is indirect fire, GUN is direct fire

it's also semantics and other nonsense sometimes but that's the gist

[echo karma]

150mil shell should delete that direction period but I digress

[mellow knoll]

Assault gun and spa isn’t the same thing for god sake

Anyone who knows an ounce of history knows this

[cosmic pilot]

Spag

[fringe hollow]

key letter being "a"

[turbid plaza]

So how bad did the f**k it up this time?

[fringe hollow]

Why don't people ever just play the update to find out? Why hear it second hand?

[main lance]

Little do they know the 3 rockets are whatever for tanks but for killing inf/op/garris…I am pumped

[turbid plaza]

If i could, i would.

[mellow knoll]

Assault Gun = An armoured vehicle fitted with an assault gun that is primarily used to assault enemy positions directly, support infantry squads and destroy emplacements.

SPA = A mobile artillery vehicle that has a fitted long range artillery gun for indirect fire and artillery support. Usually stays behind the front line.

[fringe hollow]

fair enough

I mean technically any and all guns can be used as artillery if you angle them right

just the effectiveness might vary

[winged briar]

So give at 3 rockets to kill a mediums...... so back to square one. Yet a heavy needs to shots to kill a medium in side engagements. Mind blown

[fringe hollow]

no no, those rockets are for the spam to pop new players and new player garrisons to help steamroll better

[solid falcon]

Now you can miss 3 rockets on a garrison instead of two 😘

[main lance]

Whose missingggg

[fringe hollow]

me

god forbid my new cat is a mahcine that turns a pile catfood into straight nothing and still begs for more

[cosmic pilot]

I'm too lazy to validate my opinion, but I suspect the insistence on using spa is so they can tick that box off if the roadmap.
Even though changing the name to match the intent would be better.

[fringe hollow]

It might be a pride thing as well. Maybe they don't want to cave to the community. If they do, we would feel entitled to bully them further for other changes they don't want to/can't add

[solid falcon]

That would mean we have the power to bully them into actually fixing the game then… we know that will never happen 😂😂😂

[echo karma]

Idek. Patch notes are garbage. Idek what's changed lol where's the bug fixes? Numbers etc

[sturdy quarry]

can we bully them into releasing a patch that doesnt break stuff?

[echo karma]

Some ppl said bazooka was changed too

[cosmic pilot]

Close but not quite. The community has consistently exhibited the ability to bully the devs into ruining the game.

[arctic rampart]

Tarkov in a nutshell

[echo karma]

Poe essentially and poe2

[cosmic pilot]

You could try reading the patch notes

[echo karma]

Doesn't the consumer know best tho?

[cosmic pilot]

No

[echo karma]

I saw tons of briefing esq things and no numbers. Besides kv2

I doubt steam has an actual patch notes

Mortars, optimization, trash there server provider

[fringe hollow]

I'd like change logs that tweak values of things like penetration to be released like the tank log. A spreadsheet showing before and after so we know what changed and how

[echo karma]

Bipods. Finally ty

[mellow knoll]

Wouldn’t be surprised..

[dim snow]

1. Optimisation
2. Optimisation
3. Optimisation

[echo karma]

You know bipod been on roadmap for like 2 yrs now

[fringe hollow]

Console and PC needs are different and not in a bad way. console is a worse experience overall sadly

[echo karma]

60hz is console so that. But I'd like to see at least 120hz in this day an age.

[fringe hollow]

persoanlly, I expect 60-100 consistantly. Most would say like 140+

People usually turn all settings down to get an advantage anyway

[echo karma]

Console is a just a custom firmware. It's literally pc parts lol you know how much ddr5 is?

Console visuals has always been like sht 1080p

[fringe hollow]

cries in 1080p on pc and thinks it's fine

[spiral current]

1. Nerf static artillery.

2. Nerf flares.

3. Nerf AT guns.

4. Hit.

5. Miss.

6. No shot taken.

[echo karma]

I don't to much care about visuals as much as performance and framerate

[fringe hollow]

I also don't have money to blow on a 4k, 16 grand game setup so eh

[echo karma]

Yeah but you get 120hz plus lol

I'm tryna overclock my xsx

[fringe hollow]

hardly at times. my monitors are stone age

I see the point though

[winged briar]

This is the best update ever since u18 for armor. Yessss

[echo karma]

My TV is nice. Bout 5 yrs old but holds up now. My xsx is nice. Idk why this the only game I lag in tho? I have 20ms in almost every game except this game

[fringe hollow]

can't wait for tankers to be dying in droves, garrisons to almost only be rocketed, and infantry fighting to look like high tier RUST pvp smfh

[silk igloo]

you people keep complaining about the smallest things, but only if it's new

[echo karma]

Idek why I can full blow up a whole map in warframe and have zero fps issues but hll lags to hell n back

[tranquil fulcrum]

Why do the graphics on ps look like a blob of nonsense

[fringe hollow]

I complain because many people have stated that is their intention

Not because it's new

[past veldt]

LOD issues apparently

[echo karma]

Dude is spitting facts but casuals can't comprehend

[spiral current]

Also, JEEP. Want more JEEP.
The underuse of the jeep asset is criminal in this game. One of the default transport trucks should be a jeep and switch the deployable from a jeep to map-revealing listening station or something else as useful and thematic.

[echo karma]

You will see jeep alot now with AT changes

[past veldt]

You want a map revealing listening station

So perma flare

[tranquil fulcrum]

Are they gonna fix it?

[past veldt]

Doubt it

[tranquil fulcrum]

Got a comp game tonight too 🙁

[echo karma]

In 2 months. Indy dev team

[silk igloo]

im going to buy the complete DLC set just to spite you, i swear ill do it

im gonna press the button

[harsh egret]

HLL PS5 players to Xbox players for years: "JuSt gEt A sUpErIoR cONsOlE."

Whole time the game is just bad.

[echo karma]

I have never bought a dlc yet but I buy 500$ packs on poe and poe2. Let that sink in

[fringe hollow]

anyone know how smolensk even plays in a match before I head in?

[cosmic pilot]

Is the issue in console only in the menu

[echo karma]

And GGG has there issues too but when they fk up they dig in and fix it and actually listen to the community

[spiral current]

Oh, some context: there's too much map reveal in the game at the moment, and it's too inconsistent and the +2 extra flare enabled players they just added was a bad change.

This is just how I'd make the jeep relevant. I'd make wider changes to all map reveal mechnanics.

[echo karma]

Idk. Looks like a camp fest ngl

[fringe hollow]

As is most urban warfare, thank you

[gaunt cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/announcement-batman-adam-west-megaphone-gif-11625900

[echo karma]

Somehow worse than desert Map tho

[gaunt cedar]

the whole game looks like a potato.

** It’s an LOD issue**

I hope they didn’t cull the LODs on purpose thinking it’s acceptable to try and get performance up on Smolensk.

[echo karma]

It's 1995 guys. Wake up

[cosmic pilot]

Is the issue only in the menu

[echo karma]

Crashes more than doom. Rip

[gaunt cedar]

The whole game looks like a potato

Hope that helps

[cosmic pilot]

Not really

[tranquil fulcrum]

It's really sad what they've done to the graphics

[gaunt cedar]

I loaded into a few maps and the LODs are broken in all of them. Serious answer

[tranquil fulcrum]

Hope it doesn't take too long to fix I love this game but if it stays that way I just really won't enjoy it

[echo karma]

If it's LOD they fix it eventually maybe in 2 weeks? Hopefully if not we're done

[cosmic pilot]

A few maps on a live server or a few maps in explore mode

[gaunt cedar]

Live

[cosmic pilot]

Fine

[echo karma]

Does kv2 1 shot a heavy/medium? It's realism right guys

[gaunt cedar]

It depends if they culled the LODs on purpose to try and get Smolensk to run at an acceptable framerate. Just a speculation

[echo karma]

I wouldn't put it past them. Every trailer has frame drops

[gaunt cedar]

Smolensk runs terribly lots of stutters and feels like 45 fps or so

[echo karma]

Sounds about right

[harsh egret]

Shocker

[echo karma]

Whats last map that comp liked?

Smdm?

God forbid they have a public pte that no one plays so they can fix stuff guys

[harsh egret]

The week where they only had like 6 original maps in rotation for the 80th D-Day anniversary was the smoothest this game ran in years. That should tell you something.

Everything since Remagen is pure cancer on the performance front

[silk igloo]

it tells us that all the people complaining about too open spaces led us to cluttered, performance hog maps

[echo karma]

Kharkov was last great map imo

Driel ain't that bad tbh but ehh

[eager orbit]

MG and Tank map, too open

[harsh egret]

I crash almost every time I play it. At least once per match on it. Like every other map since Remagen.

[echo karma]

That's 90% of the maps lol smdm

[echo karma]

I crash 100% on remagen 100% of the time

[silk igloo]

tbh the maps have always had some pointless performance hogs, like that one smoke offect on carentan that dumped my old PCs FPS to 20 when I looked at it

[steep gale]

I thought Tobruk and Elsenborn were great maps tbh

[echo karma]

Camp fest to hell n back noooo

[steep gale]

Not on PC

[harsh egret]

Oh the maps are cool. The framerate and crashes aren't.

Crash Let Loose

[echo karma]

But they test and play console wahhh bs

[finite berry]

If I was you, I'd highlight this in #telegrams to show that T17 wasn't simply lazy at testing, but that the issues now encountered simply didn't show up when you guys did your testing.

[echo karma]

A blind deaf idiot could see the console port issues a mile away

[steep gale]

I've never crashed on either of them personally