mess-hall

[obtuse dragon]

after every crash check your settings

[slate canopy]

If you're more in friendly zone, you get defensive points. If you're more in enemy zone, you get offensive points.

[obtuse dragon]

the game sometimes forgets everything about you and resets your settings, cosmetics and loadouts

average foy match

[slate canopy]

Left to right: Combat, Offensive, Defensive, Support

[obtuse dragon]

capturing points gave points?

[slate canopy]

Time spent in offense/defense does

so you get it for offense to capture a point

[obtuse dragon]

wait so like, how much does capturing a point give

or it just makes the game give you more offensive points because you're in the enemy territory capturing their point??

or it doesn't give you any points and you're just getting the offensive points for staying on the enemy territory?

[slate canopy]

Being in the 4 squares around point gives aset weight to the capture, same as heavier weight in circle, but you don't get points. You do get offensive points for being in enemy territory.

[obtuse dragon]

oh, ngl that's kinda lame, it would be nice if capturing/defending points gave you extra points

[slate canopy]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1280319709249540138

I'm going based off that google doc

[umbral osprey]

Awesome! Glad you're having a good time now and that you don't regret it anymore

[hollow olive]

anyone know when the hll vietnam game comes out?

I know in 2026 but anyone know when in 2026

[slate canopy]

No clue yet.

[hollow olive]

Its gonna be so good

boats helicopters allllllll of that

hopefully it comes out early 2026

[vestal dragon]

oh ok

[restive wigeon]

is the game good thinking about buying?

[glossy echo]

It's worth it

[lone ember]

Turns out yes I was, I was able to get a refund on it on steam. I found the actual version on epic games but its not on sale at all, do you know if the real HLL is on steam at all? I really dont want to pay 60$ or keep playing on console

[worthy charm]

Whats that?

Sounds made up

[worthy charm]

You get 2 Versions when you buy HLL on steam the normal game and the PTE Version.

So you should have had the normal game in your library above the PTE Version.

This in an old image (with the old logo even), but it is pretty much still the same.

[runic dune]

Is the update today

[glossy echo]

idk

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-gif-7048057395502071840

[past veldt]

Yes

(No)

[dim snow]

Won’t be early 2026, it’ll most likely be October/November 2026

[glossy echo]

2027

[delicate mortar]

Before of after HL3 ?

[glossy echo]

after

is that even a question?

[nova pivot]

Where smolesnks

[river rover]

In PTE. 😉

[worthy charm]

HLLV before GTA6?

[umbral osprey]

Day 2 of asking to please finally let us transfer level and class progression between Steam, Epic and Xbox PC 🥺 🙏

[glass gate]

@fluid pawn day 2 of asking why is hit reg is so bad on Xbox after the update?

[cosmic pilot]

HLL 3248 before GTA6

[meager valve]

Heyo!

[worthy charm]

As if this IP would be able to live that long.

[worthy charm]

Hey 👋

[meager valve]

How are you?

[worthy charm]

Good I guess

[meager valve]

What’s the guess part about?

Somethin weighing on ya?

[nova pivot]

He is nervous

[meager valve]

Ah

[nova pivot]

Because we are getting married next summer

[cosmic pilot]

I am.

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-eww-yuck-disgusted-nasty-gif-5453708

[meager valve]

I reckon there’s quite a bit of lore to be learned

[worthy charm]

Im not...

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-floppa-caracal-pumba-pumber-gif-23931271

[worthy charm]

Its just that im even worse at small talk than the average german already is anyway.

[nova pivot]

Don't hide your emotions, Wilhelm

It's okay to have feelings my beloved William

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179085355681595474/1406844456912556052/attachment.gif

[meager valve]

Small talk can be hard, but practice makes perfect! It also helps to have people to ask for advice

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-floppa-lil-floppa-flop-floppa-flop-gif-22883844

[cosmic pilot]

I can't help, I only do big talk 🗣️

[vestal nimbus]

UPDATE DEC 3

[nova pivot]

Smolesnks

👍

[halcyon dune]

Please dont tell me the "changes to artiller" is going to be them NERFING it

[neat urchin]

@fluid pawn Hope arty isnt changed like in the experimental branch. Ppl are going to hate it

[ancient harness]

Depends on what you consider a nerf

[fluid pawn]

We've been making changes to how arti/SPAs work throughout the last month of the Exp Branch for U19, and will continue to make changes post-U19 don't worry 🫡 Similar to how U18 had the first set of armor changes that will continue to be worked on going into U19 and 2026

[worthy charm]

Fast Ben hide

Sam is here

[fluid pawn]

No shovels from me don't worry

Hey Sam 👋

[analog apex]

U19 is coming... but I can't stop thinking about one crucial question - have ALL the U18 stability problems been resolved? (both network wise and client wise?)

hi Ben 😉

[neat urchin]

The comp arty players are going to be furious im sure.

[main lance]

Is this update going to fix the laundry list of issues or be the nail in the coffin? Tune in this week

[analog apex]

let's hope so 😄

arty HQ shoudl be fully removed

[neat urchin]

If hit reg got fixed and the rendering issues i'd be a happy camper

[fluid pawn]

Loads of work has been going on BTS both within our HLL team, as well as with the GSPs to improve the performance. Hoping that there's an improvement going into U19 (otherwise I may be asking Greg to be hitting me with the shovel instead)

[lofty anvil]

So 2 days left to play before its broken again? Yay cant wait🤣

[neat urchin]

Yes they should have been removed a long time ago but we still dont have mortars which woulda been cool and solved that

[analog apex]

Hoping that there's an improvement going into U19
That doesn't sound any much reassuring 🙁 .

but thanks for the info

[neat urchin]

Positive vibes only lol

@fluid pawn This the last map for this game ever? Hope not.

[fluid pawn]

You should know by now Sam that I cannot say it's fully fixed as if it's just a little broken then I'll be court-martialed 😂

[fluid pawn]

Nope... 👀

[ancient harness]

SPAs are only for artillery squads? Or tank crews too?

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[lofty anvil]

Whats happening with hq arty?

[neat urchin]

Just to let you know i'd pay for more maps lolol tell the dev's. Italian maps preferred tho

[neat crown]

Berlin 🔥

[analog apex]

Before, much of work went into MG bipodding too, and yet there is the building (barn) where we are unable to bipod our MG even today, despite reported not just by me.

Another much of work before went into the "overhaul" of the vaulting/mantling and we have teleporting people into the skies for a split of a second even today.

"Much of work" is sadly not equal to "problems/bugs solved" so forgive me if I won't trust they were fixed in the case of U18/U19 related ones.
(and ofc there are loads of other examples to pick from)

[neat crown]

The battle for the reichstag

[neat urchin]

basically Smolensk+ version

[neat crown]

But in germany

[umbral osprey]

@fluid pawn can you please tell the team we need the ability to transfer our level and class progress between the Steam, Epic and Xbox PC versions. Some people switch versions to get better performance and it's a big deal 🙏 🙏

[neat crown]

YES!

[finite berry]

Plot twist, next map is Berlin

[past vortex]

omfg game broken even more wednesday

[analog apex]

Also another thing I already mentioned a few times before - for as long as even a single HQ arty gun stays in any of the HQs, the recon<>arty loop stays. Buildable or not. So if the artillery overhaul is finished with the stuff introduced by U19, then I consider it a failure.

Especially since the mortars & mortar squads were not implemented.

[past vortex]

not to mention horses

[fluid pawn]

As I said earlier Sam https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/363877549534740480/1445083666513530974

This is just the first set of changes that will continue into 2026 🫡

[neat urchin]

That'd be sick. Caen would be sick, Anzio would be cool. MC would be cool

[analog apex]

I have read it. But I doubt the plans will include __ (full) __ removal of HQ arty at this point anymore. Nothing points that direction.

[fluid pawn]

2027 they will ||not|| be added I'm sure

[peak knot]

this announcement reeks of being done to meet a deadline

really hope the game won't be broken the rest of the year

[worthy charm]

You say that as of thats something new

[pine hull]

I'm afraid I already know the answer

[past vortex]

the level of broken goes up tho

[peak torrent]

Hope they do some optimization on the new update especially when u trying to scope

[steady kite]

rip

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i’m-not-original-gif-4077672862622552877

[cosmic pilot]

News of news ahh news

[main harness]

As expected. No feedback taken on board.

[nova pivot]

@fluid pawn roadmap, thank you

[neat urchin]

I mean if that's normal then Vietnam is not going to do great

[analog apex]

Omg. roadmap... a year has passed already since we were expecting it in December yet again 😮 😄

[main harness]

Lets hope the comp orgas at least have the brains to ban the crap SPA that we dont want, so we can kinda play the game every weekend

[cosmic pilot]

Ermagursh

[dusty bolt]

This is just insane. This update is NOT ready... the SPA's are not even finished!!!

[worthy charm]

I mean they worked on it for like what? 20 months at this point? My hpes are limited but brighter than for this crashed car of a games.

[peak knot]

final ECL match for us Sunday, time to start taking bets as to whether that can actually happen

[analog apex]

Let's hope this time we will get the roadmap truly when we are supposed to get it - December 2025 or early January 2026. End of january at the very latest.

[nova pivot]

Roaaaadmaaaaap

[dusty bolt]

@fluid pawn this update is not ready.. what are you guys doing

[worthy charm]

Im fine with January... just dont let it be 4 months into the year again...

[dusty bolt]

As someone who has played alot of the test builds, it's not ready

[worthy charm]

They arent?

[analog apex]

yep, I see it the same way

[dusty bolt]

No lmao

[cosmic pilot]

GTA6 before HLL 2026 roadmap

[past vortex]

idk, that they insisted of leaving the degradation of u18 live makes it look like a fundamential problem that will also be in hllv

[past vortex]

@fluid pawn ^^

[cyan saddle]

Well... HLLV is fundamentally different... so 🤷

[dusty bolt]

For the life of me, I cannot understand why this is being rushed out

[past vortex]

but the workflow, the understanding how to release software.....

[cosmic pilot]

You're jumping to conclusions

[analog apex]

yep, different engine version, different team... different problems

[worthy charm]

Exactly is a diffrent engine... if they dont bother making that run better it would be weird

[pine hull]

There are a lot of things we don't understand

so write it on the list

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[icy panther]

corporate deadlines don't care about game balance

[dusty bolt]

The list in question

[past vortex]

as if the balance or stupid mechanics would be the worst problem

[peak knot]

I'm guessing a december deadline and they don't want to do it late so there's time to fix the issues that will occur so we get it much too early so we can QA it instead

[analog apex]

because of the top dev peeps that wear ties maybe... :/ ... and haven't played a video game ever in their lives

[icy panther]

rather than just continue hosting PTE events, which have seemingly been well populated for U19 so far...

[pine hull]

Imagine if they took the time to deliver an update that doesn't add some flashy new features, but simply fixes the existing game and makes it properly playable. Now that would be something

[neat urchin]

They should just perfect this game, keep pumping out maps since it's the biggest war ever and has so many locations they can go and add more infantry weapons as well. plus fix hit reg lol

[past vortex]

who failed to judge the work by sensibly analysing the results :}

[cosmic pilot]

Going on vaca after every major patch for a week is cray cray

[dusty bolt]

t17: "we are listening to you, we will take our time with the next update"
also t17: "actually sike, here is something that isn't finished. enjoy!"

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/you-serious-are-you-serious-j-jonah-jameson-jk-simmons-spiderman-gif-1796285034125157331

[pine hull]

hitreg issues, fatal errors, server instability

[neat urchin]

rendering issues

thats big

[past vortex]

even worse fps

[cosmic pilot]

Complaining that the patch is getting released too soon is stupid

[dusty bolt]

its not a patch...

[icy panther]

or the feature people asked for for years - mortar squads - rather than hamfisting SPA's in and trying to figure out how they co-exist without upsetting balance

[analog apex]

+UI problems, audio problems, VFX problems, animation problems... etc. problems in every single part of the game 😄

[cosmic pilot]

That's the part you disagree with...

[main lance]

Ditzel I am excited to try the new features, gee I hope I can play a full round without crashing/server crashing /s

[neat urchin]

The new tank visuals are so sad lol

[past vortex]

reminder that the games resets settings for everyone now and then :D

[wind vine]

It really is not a patch, it says in the title "Update" what are you on about man ?

[cosmic pilot]

Patch and update to me are synonymous

[steady kite]

lol

[analog apex]

in HLL updates are big ones, patches are smaller ones

you should have known that in all those years

[dusty bolt]

Anyway, its introducing new meta to the game (which isnt fine tuned yet).
It shouldnt be released this soon, because its not done

[worthy charm]

and Hotfixes dont do anything?

[past vortex]

thats not what the terms mean to people who work in software

[worthy charm]

-# /s

[peak knot]

in HLL patches are called hotfixes for some weird reason

[cosmic pilot]

What difference does it make to my point

[dusty bolt]

This will literally be the El Al update all over again

[analog apex]

I would say this:

• updates bring new features for the major part
• patches bring little new content and are concentrated on fixing non-critical issues
• hotfixes are just to fix critical issues ASAP

[cosmic pilot]

I'll rephrase, complaining that the update is being released too soon is stupid

[analog apex]

patch is not equal to update

especially not in the U19's case

[worthy charm]

Please cut the first part, we didnt got major new features for like 3 years.

[analog apex]

I forgot to add there - updates also include some bigger or smaller systematic overhauls
patches usually do not, at least definitely not as big ones

[past vortex]

the actual complaint is: we doubt that the stuff that got worse in u18 will be fixed
and releasing new stuff when that is unresolved is very bad, the point in time doesnt matter

[dusty bolt]

How though? Do you remember the El Al Update? This will literally be the same thing, if not worse

[icy panther]

this doesn't make sense, you should never release an unpolished update to a production environment, it's not like they're going to be losing sales by holding the update and continuing public testing until they've reached a point where the new gameplay feels smooth

[dusty bolt]

Bingo

[past vortex]

bottom line: it looks a lot like they dont plan to restore pre u18 perf/stability status at all

[dusty bolt]

Team17 treats it's playerbase like a QA team, which is just a reciepe for disaster

[eager orbit]

What the plan should be:

1. Tank Rework (U18).
2. Adjust the anti-tank class in line with the tank rework.
3. Fix existing issues and make/balance changes.
4. Add Smolensk and SPA (U19).

Instead, the dev team skipped steps 2 and 3.

[neat urchin]

remember when games came out polished... the days

[analog apex]

I just pray for the day when the devs would remove the constant stutterings from HLL. It's been years since I played HLL in a stutter-less environment 🙁 . Now, on top of it we get booted by the server of fatal errors...

[worthy charm]

Would anyone actually test xD. The numbers on the exp. branch have been terrible so far after the first 2 day and outside of the one big event that got advertised on like 6 server.

[past vortex]

they wont.... at this point best we can hope is that it doesnt get worse
but it did get worse :D

[worthy charm]

I would be interested in actually knowing how many people filled out the Forms.

[cosmic pilot]

People need to be accurate with what they're complaining about.
Going, "the update's not ready according to me who hasn't played the live build yet" doesn't help.

[analog apex]

yep, exactly 🥶

[worthy charm]

Probably under 500 if even that

[past vortex]

they didnt even ask for the degradation, did they?

[icy panther]

that's 25% of the game's active population... lol

[dusty bolt]

Team17 is on the right path for getting feedback for QA, and allowing us to have access to the tet builds for more than just a couple of days. BUT... this update is NOT ready, and it's obviously being rushed.

[icy panther]

how many more do you want

[worthy charm]

Its not that bad...

[analog apex]

• it may not be over yet with the walking the worse+worse path... we'll see on the 3rd December

[worthy charm]

People love to doomtalk but the the game is doing fine for the genre and age... but thats subjetive I guess

[analog apex]

but I have a bad feeling

[dusty bolt]

It is increasingly frustrating that they're taking two steps forward and three steps backwards with literally everything.

[nova pivot]

It's not

[eager orbit]

Let’s just hope that horses are coming to the game alongside Update 19.

[worthy charm]

I can always get into a server with my language if I want, so I dont see an issue.

[past veldt]

How much of the playerbase is employed by Glow to seed her servers?

[past vortex]

unless you believe they fixed perf/stability to pre 18 the doom is very real tho

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782

[analog apex]

everybody hates it though (love it too maybe but the hate is there for the reasons that are fixable and should be fixed by the devs... but they are not)

[dusty bolt]

Ask your mom, she can tell ya

[icy panther]

a few comp teams did at least a week of events testing Smolensk, the testing branch appears to be more active than in the past with Team17's push to utilize it, and that's a big win, but I don't understand why they wouldn't continue to lean on it

[past veldt]

Lovely lady, she can do better

[finite berry]

How long is the last playtest ago?

[worthy charm]

The new update? I have heard from enough people they are looking forward to it... again all that this chat proofes is that people only ever come here to complain.

or when I meet sparta at night

;}

[finite berry]

Counter point, what if they want to use shiny new wannabe SPAs as selling argument?

[finite berry]

Correct

[icy panther]

people are excited for Smolensk, but we're not just getting Smolensk

[dusty bolt]

I love the new map and what the new update has to offer, I just wish it was polished first before being dropped on us

[analog apex]

Doesn't matter - if a dev team really means it well, they won't rely that the game is "doing well" when they know that despite the players love the game, there are many critical things that makes them to hate it at the same time. Good devs would not leave it there.

HLL has plenty of nonU19/18 related problems, a huuuge pile - they have remained untouched

[cosmic pilot]

How do you know it's unpolished

[pine hull]

Why else should I come here?

[past vortex]

they never said u19 will have poland

[finite berry]

Yep. This Discord simply is an echo chamber, the average Joe enjoys the game and has fun.

[cosmic pilot]

Get out of my head

[worthy charm]

No offense meant, the less you come here the better it is for you mentally and physically.

[worthy charm]

I mean yes.... cant argue with that.

Thats a part of the game by now.

Just as invisible asteroids in star citizen... Ahhhhhhhhhhh how much I hate them.

[past vortex]

sooooo. why do you think u19 wont add more of that ? :}

[dusty bolt]

Because Ive played it lol

[peak knot]

Circle had a comp friendly planned on Smolensk the day it was cancelled 🥲

[dusty bolt]

Numerous times

[cosmic pilot]

You played the pte, or the new update

[past veldt]

You don't come here for me? 🫂

[analog apex]

Yeah, people getting used to the problems no matter how big they are. That is a folklore the HLL devs are relying on once more. And once more, good devs wouldn't leave it there. HLL devs however, do.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-friends-you-laugh-gif-10244831

[dusty bolt]

I come for you, in every sense of the phrase

[worthy charm]

We both know how that works

[past veldt]

Tell me more

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-joey-tribbian-funny-stare-wink-gif-20597720

[neat urchin]

It's been a while since i could see guys clearly at 200 + meters or have the inside of buildings and windows render in within 60m

[past veldt]

In enough detail that Willes considers nuking the message

[dusty bolt]

Okay, so.. it all starts when a man loves another man

[past veldt]

Hold up, we're getting somewhere

[cosmic pilot]

Well, which one have you played

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/elder-scrolls-stop-you-violated-the-law-gif-21698958

ah damn thats the wrong one

nvm

[cosmic pilot]

Lmfao

[past veldt]

"HLL Mods hate gay men"

You heard it here first

[worthy charm]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[icy panther]

the last we were shown of the new update showcased their exciting new gameplay additions in a comically underdeveloped light - to think they've drastically overhauled those features quietly and are concretely certain that it's ready for release, in the span of a month, is just being contratian for the sake of it

[obtuse dragon]

DECEMBER 3?????

https://tenor.com/view/convulse-starnger-things-gif-10240135

[analog apex]

Yeah, yet another doomsday is coming... probably.

[worthy charm]

I only ever hate spefic people.

Like Elise

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-toy-story-woody-so-long-partner-gif-9797730

[worthy charm]

That guy is the worst

[cosmic pilot]

Thank you for being accurate

[past veldt]

That's fair

[cyan saddle]

Let's not generalize this to all mods please

[worthy charm]

Abu isnt helpful as usual

but at least not wrong this time.

[cosmic pilot]

Don't roll your eyes at me, you must qualify your opinions

[obtuse dragon]

Probably another broken update, But honestly

I don't care that much, I only hope that the map isn't poorly optimized, we get a good DLC and please god I hope a DLC sale happens

[icy panther]

in light of this "accuracy", it doesn't make sense not to encourage one last PTE before dumping this update into the wild like U18

[cosmic pilot]

Otherwise you are claiming an authority you do not possess

[analog apex]

the new DLCs usually don't get the sale... only with the later one

[icy panther]

you know the answers to the questions you're asking, and you know the people you're asking understand the same, you aren't making a real point

[analog apex]

HLL has been on sale with DLCs now - still is/are

[obtuse dragon]

Ik, that's the thing, I want to get the cossacks and like, almost all of them since they're literally less than a dollar on my country when they're on sale

[obtuse dragon]

not on epic

[analog apex]

right

[cyan saddle]

There have been a number of communities organizing events on the test branch, even in more recent weeks. There were attempts made to shout out events happening last weekend but said events were cancelled from what I've heard.

[cosmic pilot]

People need to complain about what they actually have a problem with or it can be discarded as noise.
If you complain about something without qualifying the correct cause you are opening yourself up to get refuted.

[analog apex]

and why were test branch events cancelled? I would say lack of peeps or am I wrong?

[obtuse dragon]

On epic they're rarely on sale and I ain't buying the game on steam just for the sales

[dusty bolt]

Lack of interest

[worthy charm]

Obviously

[dusty bolt]

Plus it was a holiday weekend

Which didnt help

[worthy charm]

People dont want to test, its better to come here after the update drop and give feedback.
Obviously

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-comment-above-fact-facts-facts-meme-gif-2124243457389189191

[analog apex]

Thats the result of the fact that switching the branches requires considerable amount of GBs to download and peeps with not that fast internet being forced to wait for so long to do so. And so they choose to ignore the test branch instead altogether, just because of it.

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-punch-punching-fling-gif-24582824

[worthy charm]

I dont that makes a difference. People would have played it either way. Or rather wouldnt lmao

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-gotta-look-good-preacher-lawson-i-have-to-look-good-need-to-be-good-looking-i-have-to-be-good-looking-gif-19518984

[dusty bolt]

Ah yes this is another reason.

[analog apex]

oh I think it does

[worthy charm]

Go away or I will call Chris Pratt.

[finite berry]

He won't scape them this time >:)

[analog apex]

not everybody has a 100mb/s fast internet, with that, it takes around 20m to switch from the test branch back to normal. Imagine if you would have 50mb/s... that makes it around 40m of waiting.

[cosmic pilot]

It doesn't matter the delivery method for the pte for hll, the community is broadly not interested in anything except previewing new content

[obtuse dragon]

I have 400kb/s am I cooked

[analog apex]

cooked is the correct term for that case

[toxic shuttle]

I do not have high hopes for this update.

[cosmic pilot]

The community is large enough you could have a tester program of about 300 people, but then it's not public

[worthy charm]

Damn... thats worse than what I have at home. It really impressive honestly

In germany we would say: Bambusleitung

[worthy charm]

:´}

[cosmic pilot]

I'm against private testing because people other than me would get more weight to their feedback

[analog apex]

For as long as the decline of the playercounts won't keep going down (which it still is). We'll see after U19 if anything changes.
It's getting harder and harder to find good amount of dedicated HLL peeps.

[obtuse dragon]

I Kinda do

On one side we're getting a new soviet map, cosmetics and literally a new class,But on the other side I was expecting them to release the DLC later, like, mid december instead of early december to keep the update polished

[worthy charm]

Thats such a hyrum thing to say lmao

[grizzled kiln]

Hyrum alt confirmed

[analog apex]

And by god I won't ever understand why KV-2 has been chosen as an SPA... there are much more typical vehicles for that role.

[obtuse dragon]

Dude imagine if

The game had like, a hand gesture system for players that don't have mics

[smoky urchin]

Well the lack of mentions in SPA in that announcement and the teaser trailer gives me hope we as a community have had an impact on this,

[worthy charm]

That would be less useful than dragging and that would already be only used in very specific cases.

[obtuse dragon]

yeah, But it would be so awesome

it would be so cool

[analog apex]

I doubt it... they wouldn't be able to make another SPA model/vehicle as a replacement for the KV2

[umbral osprey]

It would be cool yeah

[worthy charm]

It would be cool if they gave me a light tank without turret and a medium cannon. Like the Hetzer :}

Cough

[smoky urchin]

That's not what our push was for, but the fact the announcment mentions nothing of vehicles or SPA and the trailer has no #vehicles or SPA and shows a t34.

[cosmic pilot]

Stop calling it SPA, it's SPG

[past vortex]

i mean, why would you test it when they dont even consider working on the actual problems?

[obtuse dragon]

Tho, something that would genuinely be good would be different headshot sounds

[obtuse dragon]

To play early

[worthy charm]

Dont interpret to much into that.
But respect how much Hopium you got.

[analog apex]

I wish I could...

not even SPG

[cosmic pilot]

Well, you can

[worthy charm]

To be fair you can call about every tank an SPG.

;}

[analog apex]

I could call an apple a pear... but... factually/objectivelly wouldn't be true either

[past vortex]

lets call it ASV (arty substitution vehicles)

[smoky urchin]

Considering they pushed the "SPA" in every update about the U19 this is a big scale back.

[cosmic pilot]

The devs calling their current implementation of SPGs SPAs is limiting them from adding actual Spa vehicles, which is the real crime.

Whoever is in charge of their game mechanics design needs to talk to me so I can tell them to stop needlessly gameyfing their stuff and instead to lean into the semi realistic sandbox nature of the game.

Let the capabilities of the real equipment define the meta, instead of trying to shoehorn new stuff into the old meta

[obtuse dragon]

there's a meta?

https://tenor.com/view/dog-lolipop-dog-high-res-lolipop-dog-dumb-ahh-dog-gif-9712755274845032770

[cosmic pilot]

Yes.
Step 1. Cap mid
Step 2. Go full defence
Step 3. Drop airhead behind Frontline
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Rinse repeat, profit.

[obtuse dragon]

There's no way the meta Is "win the game"

[cosmic pilot]

It really is that simple

[eager orbit]

Panzer IV are meta right now

• panzershrek 😄

[obtuse dragon]

ngl that's true it's the first Time I prefer using a medium instead of a heavy

[ancient harness]

They can take two AT, be faster than the heavies and they buffed their AP damage

[eager orbit]

Let four Panzerschreck guys stand still, waiting for the commander’s “enemy tank” mark. Then just snipe two Shermans like that, stack a Panzer IV meanwhile, and roll the Allies.

[pale hamlet]

There's a meta ? I just flank obj and shoot whoever doesn't have a rifle / machine gun at a distance.

that or run around making garrisons in the weirdest places, tiring out the recon teams trying to plug holes

[obtuse dragon]

Or have a support class with a flamethrower constantly break the enemy nodes while the recon focuses on the garrys

[pale hamlet]

I forgot to mention in the case for bolt rifleman factions ( literally everyone but US ) : Shoot anyone that has anything but a bolt-action.

[eager orbit]

Imagine if flamethrowers actually did damage to tanks.

[obtuse dragon]

Shoot anyone that hasn't seen you*

[obtuse dragon]

It would be nice if they did small & slow engine damage

[eager orbit]

overheat engine to turn off and need to repair

[pale hamlet]

Nah , I don't shoot everyone. That makes the blob aware of your presence.

I just ding according to what I said.

[ancient harness]

Worth the grind

[pale hamlet]

Wait , I am literally doing a sniper's job . Only the sniper role is always locked by some dumbdick .

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[obtuse dragon]

The recon class will always be locked by a pair of friend trying to have fun or 2 low level guys

[pale hamlet]

or one dude in a locked squad doing fuckall

[ancient harness]

Ban all solo snipers and solo tankers

[thin scarab]

I really Hope that there will be some Performance Update aswell with U19 for Console…

[pale hamlet]

TK all solo snipers and tankers until they leave.

What are they gonna do ? Run from spawn ?

[harsh egret]

You will get nothing of the sort and you will like it. The new map will run at 5 fps and consistently crash, just like every single map released for this game since at least Remagen.

[fringe hollow]

I like the low level friends who camp recon because it has a scope

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-stunned-really-speechless-why-gif-12076998607045093317

[ancient harness]

Eh I mostly let them play unless there's someone more competent also trying to play. Like a full tank squad

[harsh egret]

And nobody will care unless literally the entire community including PC goes up in arms like they did for the abomination that was U18.

[obtuse dragon]

They're normally friendly, unlike the lvl 500 guys that instalock to it

[fringe hollow]

you hear things from those guys? I thought they were mute and deaf to anyone who wasn't in discord

only pipe up to yell at other players in my experience

[obtuse dragon]

i once tried to revive one and the mf started saying that i was a waste of time 😭

[fringe hollow]

he's playing the meta instead of playing the game. What a sad life

[obtuse dragon]

the mayority of high level players that i've found are annoying asf, old men or rude

[past vortex]

it often is

[past vortex]

i also get annoying when i see you play bs :}

[ancient harness]

It's always cool to have a couple medics around

[past vortex]

always?
its actually very situational

[fringe hollow]

it's so situational that it's frowned upon by high levels if someone is running it

[obtuse dragon]

it depends

[fringe hollow]

because they could be doing something much more effective and consistently

[past vortex]

some also didnt get the message about the medic changes, they aint nearly a bad as before

[obtuse dragon]

the best way for a medic to play is to do a hacksaw ridge and avoid completely your gun

[ancient harness]

Meh I'm mostly casual when I play infantry. It adds to the gameplay

[past vortex]

thats exactly why some hate at medics :D

[ancient harness]

Yeah, but a couple medics won't do harm

[obtuse dragon]

only one is fine

or two if you want to be sure, but one single medic with the lvl 3 loadout is fine

[fringe hollow]

I enjoy people playing medic even if they aren't useful at the time. The game shouldn't be the same 3 classes because they can do it all

[ancient harness]

As long as they have a brain

[ancient harness]

Real

[past vortex]

the medics dont contribution to victory much does irritate some tho

yk, some people want to win :}

[fringe hollow]

winning isn't fun. I plan to have fun while winning. Following a meta every single time is like googling "best loadout in warzone" and following it to a T every match

[ancient harness]

I've played a lot of super enjoyable and actually fun matches where I've lost

[fringe hollow]

sure it isn't the BEST thing to do but it's the FUN thing to do, to me at least

[obtuse dragon]

it's better to revive 40 guys than killing 10 and do nothing else

[pale hamlet]

The most fun games I got are always with people who actually have mics because we can do dumbshit tactics and laugh if it works

[ancient harness]

Yeah

[hazy owl]

that does not work on every server

[past vortex]

thing is that you dont get 40 USEFUL revieves

[obtuse dragon]

and, since the medics have so many smoke grenades, they can help a lot with covering the field on a push

[pale hamlet]

The funnier ones are with my friends as arty and me in the frontlines. Much faster target acquisition for him .

[obtuse dragon]

saves manpower, keeps you on the frontline and free points

[ancient harness]

That's why it's important that they also have a brain

[pale hamlet]

" Shoot that ping over there. "

20 HELMET PINGS

[past vortex]

yea if you play medic as rifleman with smoke and only revieve when useful its a good role now

[fringe hollow]

increase manpower drain per death, medics become strategy or simply hated altogether

[hazy owl]

unless you getting shot at from MG 500m away with 60 FOV

[past vortex]

evryone has 60 fov :}

[fringe hollow]

cries in 75. any lower feels like cheating

[obtuse dragon]

the omaha experience

[fringe hollow]

tbf if they can still see you through the smoke, it's not a good smoke

[obtuse dragon]

that's why you have to spam them

[past vortex]

self-nerv
ofc 60 should not be in game, but it is

[obtuse dragon]

2 medics= 12 smokes

[ancient harness]

See what I'm talking about

[fringe hollow]

Simply spamming isn't always the key. I try to plan the throws to cover as much view as possible without needing to spam more

[pale hamlet]

I can't see crap still sometimes with 70 FOV. I just shoot at blurs in the distance unless there's some graphic setting black magic to spot people better..

[ancient harness]

Useful medic > no mic low level important role

[obtuse dragon]

i don't plan, if i have an explosive box i lowkey just throw my shi everywhere and it works

[past vortex]

its called epic textute quality

[fringe hollow]

having an explo box makes life easier for nade spam

[hazy owl]

that's the point.. you should not be able to easily spot and kill someone 200m+.. that's why these low FOVs are cancer

[past vortex]

and the res of your display :}

[pale hamlet]

For real ?

[obtuse dragon]

are you using the community TAA?

[past vortex]

ofc

[fringe hollow]

I max every setting and only turn off shadows. Now I can see and the game still looks good

[pale hamlet]

lemme check . Opening the game.

[past vortex]

foilage on high is bad

meta is tex epic, everything else med/low

[fringe hollow]

I've tested extensively and don't really see a difference for foliage tbh

[hazy owl]

guys guys I see a lot of activity here.. can we save the energy for U19 post release trashing?

[fringe hollow]

I could just be blind

[pale hamlet]

Yes.

[past vortex]

it renders more above medium

[obtuse dragon]

damn

[fringe hollow]

No. I work that day

[pale hamlet]

ok imma try with epic textures and everything on low/med.

[fringe hollow]

so I've been told but I just don't see it personally

I also can't really test live since the enemy would just shoot me

[ancient harness]

Test with a friend

[fringe hollow]

What is this "friend" thing you speak of?

[cosmic pilot]

What factors does the server control that would physically prevent it?

[fringe hollow]

How stupid the public is that day

they could control it by locking the server

[dusky vortex]

hello im new to hll

[hazy owl]

You have actually people defending and looking out for airheads

[fringe hollow]

Welcome! I'm so sorry you decided on this game. Prepare for a new addiction

[glossy echo]

Hello

[fringe hollow]

Any questions will likely be answered here

[ancient harness]

You can still uninstall

[dusky vortex]

Doesn't seem like a addiction since theres only 1 official server and the community sevrers just kicks me

[hazy owl]

Hello cheater 😄

[fringe hollow]

Surely there would be a reason other than just because, yes?

[dusky vortex]

its regimental vs regimental i think

[glossy echo]

Look for: new players welcome

[cosmic pilot]

You're missing the point

[glossy echo]

I'm level 14 because I bought HLL on PC too

[fringe hollow]

People tend to miss your points a lot. Are you sure you shouldn't explain further?

[glass rose]

Welp

[cosmic pilot]

I could explain further, but there two problems.

1. Bad Internet connection
2. Repeating myself

[fringe hollow]

dammit bobby

[cosmic pilot]

"airhead" in my example is supposed to signify the nature of avoiding combat to teleport the entire team to the critical point of terrain.

"my defenders would spot an airhead" is ignoring that point

[fringe hollow]

You could do that with a truck but garrisons would need to be further away

Or a simple transport with a squad or two but then everyone would say it takes away squads from the front. Instantly teleporting is much better which sucks but is true

[cosmic pilot]

You can, and I'm strongly in favor of making the only way of getting to critical terrain is by physically traversing the map.

[vestal nimbus]

do we get new uniforms too?

[glass rose]

Hopefully I don't see bobby on here, Peggy was telling me about discord, she loves it.

[fringe hollow]

all the time sadly... Would be cool to have less focus on them and more focus on game problems

[vestal nimbus]

yh i already got the ones i wanted

[fringe hollow]

Squad does spawns pretty well imo. People would moan about the change though

it would ruin the many hours people wasted in their life studying a video game

[cosmic pilot]

Sad but true lol

The other point of my 5 steps to win is that if you cap mid, you get defenders advantage, meaning the other team needs to commit more to attack to try to get an advantage, leaving them with less defence.
6v6 is much easier to gain a decisive advantage than 45v45.

[hazy owl]

uniforms and tank skins and you will be able to choose between female and male genitals too

[fringe hollow]

getting the mid point requires being good enough at attack or just be faster which is the case on some maps. Remagen Your meta list would more so start at 4 and then continue. Assuming "4.???" is basically "do what it takes to cap"

while 1 should probably be reoraganize

[cosmic pilot]

Step 4 is a reference to an Internet meme

[fringe hollow]

the underpants gnomes strike again I see

[cosmic pilot]

Step 1. Do thing
Step 2. ???
Step 3. Profit

[fringe hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/phase1-collect-underpants-gnome-south-park-phase2-gif-22089237

[cosmic pilot]

Also, you don't realize how little depth there is when you only have 400m of attacking spawnpoint depth.

[fringe hollow]

Usually no, I don't partake in the study of garrison placement. I place the garrison in cover and if it is found I blame the team for not defending. Quite simple

[tame onyx]

Is the player base for console just really low? Only like 5 servers that have good number of players

Quick play option doesn’t load into a game haha

[arctic rampart]

If you're checking console-only servers then yeah

99% of peeps play cross

Also wtf are these game award nominees?

[fringe hollow]

crossplay doesn't do console and PC. Console plays by themselves, cross only lets xbox and PS play together

PC only plays with PC

[arctic rampart]

So I recall

[fringe hollow]

It is likely that it's middle of a Monday and everyone is at work or school

[slate canopy]

It's maybe end of day for EU

[tame onyx]

I’ve even looked on the weekend. I’m west coast USA. Haven’t touched the game in awhile but I don’t recall having this low amount of players

[slate canopy]

US be workin

Well last weekend was also Thanksgiving/ black friday

Sooo lots of US people not home (myself included)

[tame onyx]

@slate canopy are you console?

[slate canopy]

Nope, PC

[fringe hollow]

It's a bad thing to do but I tend to assume people are US in here. Only us stupid americans would debate about the game

[cosmic pilot]

Uk and Germans also like putting in their two cents

No one else though

[arctic rampart]

tf you mean. I'm Latvian

[ancient harness]

If your attack garrison gets spotted it's going down whether it's defended or not

[fringe hollow]

that's why I don't attack. Defense as SL all the way. It's the only fun I have

[tame onyx]

Ah okay

[arctic rampart]

It's good to def spotted garies for short periods of time or in moments of need.
Prolonged garrison holding is a waste of time since the effort needed to destroy a garrison is simply too low compared to the effort required to defend it.
Time is spent better flanking, finding the enemies spawn etc. and just rebuilding the garry a little bit off from the same position when it has been taken down

[ancient harness]

It works similar when defending

But it's harder for infantry to get there

Commander can always bomb it though

[neat urchin]

Smoke = cant see what im shooting

[frosty hinge]

Guys the technicial role for tanks has 2 wrenches

Game is unplayable

[nova pivot]

Yes

Game is cooked

[nova pivot]

One is for applying camos and other for building things

[frosty hinge]

Camos?

U mean the new tank camo

[oak coral]

Any updates on optimization? anyone? anything? Anytime? Anywhere soon? (i5-14400F 4070TI Super DDR6 8400MHz (yes I have DDR6 ram early) Samsung 990 6.5Tb, getting 40 frames per second @1440P)

[frosty hinge]

Yeah unfortunately I have no clue

[sturdy quarry]

what was the rush to get this update out? few more weeks til xmas

[oak coral]

I posted this comment exactly a year ago on Reddit and X and their mailing address to ask. I even emailed T17 producers as a group. I don’t know why release updated when you have game breaking errors, optimization has went down, game pricing went up.

[nova pivot]

Yes

[sturdy quarry]

4th playtest wasnt long enough ago to fix much surely

[arctic rampart]

Your side issue. I have more or less the same specs, maybe a bit better cpu and I'm running at 200fps

Or close to it

[neat urchin]

yeah but how much was still broken?

[sturdy quarry]

the idea of spa broken from the start

all of the map seems to be floating like stalingrad rework?

so the one new map is bust
and the one new mecahnic is bust

[neat urchin]

Watching a few video's it didnt look like a really thought out plan.

[past vortex]

with framegen....

no one runs hll with 200fps :D

[arctic rampart]

God damn I hate the automod in this server

but no I dont have any frame gen on

Unless... Is it on by default?

[past vortex]

even a 5090 doesnt do 200 fps

[arctic rampart]

Cause I reinstalled the game a while back

Really even ff s is a banned word?

I'm joining a server to test it out again

[thin lotus]

lolmao at hll

[arctic rampart]

Where can I even see if I have any on?

HLL doesn't officially support it afaik

[past vortex]

idk i dont use that
but i think hll doesnt even support it
maybe you got upscaling or something idk

[arctic rampart]

I joined circle 6, SMDM (iirc the map name). Middle point, a bit after being capped. Fighting going on left and right, bombing run can be seen as well as smoke.
All epic video settings, motion blur off and community TA. 100% resolution at 1440p

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1445141245868642426/image.png?ex=692f442a&is=692df2aa&hm=6d556da5df4e9af50411500f334f11cec476619fb0984c09f917baad41226be4&

169fps

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[past vortex]

and that doesnt drop to max 120 all the time ?

[grizzled kiln]

It sure does

[past vortex]

hll fps vary like crazy

[grizzled kiln]

at 4k even

[past vortex]

adn those are stable fps?

[arctic rampart]

This was a decently intensive scene to render.
I'd say in the slums of carentan with action going on, maybe drops around that 110-120 mark

But that's like 2x over "playable" so I never really complain

[past vortex]

yea i dont doubt it con go up to 200

[silk igloo]

hold up. if they can add inventory items like the tank cosmetic wrench as a DLC, what's stopping them from selling weapons

[past vortex]

but thats kinda irrelevant

[arctic rampart]

If the action wasn't going on, I think it would be at 200.

Cause this is like 30-50 people around here.

Mid point, just post cap

[past vortex]

if i look at youtube those 5090 guys sure get over 200 and it still drops to 100 fps at times
i wouldnt call that 200 fps at all

thats why i have seen YTers with a 5090 who cap at 100 fps and that makes a lot of sense

[arctic rampart]

Ask me once a day and I'll try and get into a carentan match, see how it goes there. Can't recall exactly

[past vortex]

yea carentan is probably the best test

[arctic rampart]

I'm guessing the 1% lows aren't too good for sure, but I just can't get myself to agree that the game's completely cooked in terms of performance

Like Tarkov's complete garbage in this regard

But HLL ain't even close to that bad

[past vortex]

from what i have seen the drops are much more than 1%

[arctic rampart]

No, it's like, what's the FPS at the 1% lows

Y'know, like the average frame rate during the lowest 1% of your gameplay time

[past vortex]

prob around 100 fps for a 5090

[peak torrent]

I just hope they optimized the game this time especially when u trying to scope
And micro stutter but they keep releasing new maps

[grizzled kiln]

Nope 😄 but they do stay fairly high

[arctic rampart]

Besides minor fixes, you won't see a real noticable gain

[past vortex]

well how high?
i have seen regular drops to 100 on YT

[arctic rampart]

The game's simply too far into its lifecycle. Ain't no way a update rolls around and boom, all of a sudden your 1% lows on Carentan are 20fps better. Just not happening.

[analog helm]

Nvida Control panel -> Manage 3d settings -> Scroll down to 'Power Management Mode' -> select 'Prefer Maximum Performance.' Even with fps locked at 144 with a 4070 ti super and 9800X3D, I was having the ADS stutters and random stutters before changing this.

Helps to post your in game graphics settings in the future. No clue if you're trying to max everything out or what. SSAO should be off and choose Community TAA for a start.

gonna post in the proper channel

[finite berry]

Yep. People who say "just fix the game already" have no idea how game development works

[analog helm]

try this folks. For stutters

[past vortex]

well.. u18 made the lows on carentan much worse so they totally can do something like that :}

[past vortex]

just not making it worse would be great :}

[finite berry]

Right 😄

[peak torrent]

I love this game even im new to it but these optimization problems i can't even enjoy the game
Even on low settings with capped fps i still get the stutter and fos drop

[arctic rampart]

This ain't a black friday sale. Lowering them and then bringing them back up ain't a big thing xd

[past vortex]

:}

[analog helm]

#1271718922734796865 message

[grizzled kiln]

I run at locked 120 with no issues ( for power saving reasons). 4k epic preset with foliage medium and no motion blur.

[arctic rampart]

@worthy charm How can I become a war correspondent?

[ancient harness]

My game drops to 30 FPS if I look to the west in Hill 400

[past vortex]

120 is believable

[worthy charm]

20 min

I will dm you

[past vortex]

that can really only help with microstutters

most peoples stutters aint micro at all tho

[arctic rampart]

Mmmm private. I like it ❤️

The only micro thing in HLL are the brains of people who think it's okay not to comm

[peak torrent]

Even my computer is not that good i still get 70-80 fps on high
I tried low setting with fps cap at 60 i still face fps drop and stutter
tried everything doesn't fixing my problem

[grizzled kiln]

it does 200+ unlocked no issues. Just don't want to burn 600W doing it

and the frame timing in HLL is so bad that it doesn't really benefit much with high fps. Unlike say CS2 or Darktide

[past vortex]

why are there no vids on yt of hll running 200 without drops?

[grizzled kiln]

there will be drops but not down to 100 for sure

[past vortex]

maybe to 120, i dont think higher

and those are not single frames, thats many instances of multiple seconds

so its fair to say you get only 120 stable with a 5090

[analog helm]

precisely micro stutters indeed. Worked super nice for me

[analog helm]

this but replace comms with defence

[past vortex]

yea, but many people have macro- and even megastutters :}

[glossy echo]

Wtf are you talking about 200 fps, fps drops to 100, I rarely get 60fps lol

Frame drops to 10 fps

[past vortex]

we are talking about how even the best card doesnt go that high

[glossy echo]

Oh then it's good👍

[grizzled kiln]

The best card does go tha high. But you'll pay a decent amount of $$ to get it. But also not really necessary. 120 is more than enough for me tbh

[glossy echo]

Also my PC is from 2000-2010

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-emmy-emmy28potato-gif-24833658

[glossy echo]

It's NOT that old lol

It works...

[lost flower]

Shii might be older than me

[glossy echo]

I think 2009 or smth

But even if HLL was released in 2021, age is just a number you know

[lost flower]

Gtx 295?

[glossy echo]

I think 980

Or GTX 1

And my PC crashes before once before I can play HLL lol, then it's lost connection to host once

But after that I can play normally

[lost flower]

That happens on every pc dw lol

[glossy echo]

Even crashing? The whole PC?

[lost flower]

Nah only the game crashes for me

[glossy echo]

I always crash before a game, never during one, idk why

[ancient harness]

I'm Xbox, I'm not even able to limit the frame rate

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-meme-good-ending-black-man-opening-gif-17099877077400562986

[slate canopy]

Should I pull my old laptop out, try HLL on a 540M? 🤣

[earnest stirrup]

one of my favorite past times is loading up MSI afterburner and looking at the disjoint between frame rate and frame time graphs

[glossy echo]

I think at least 120+ fps, maybe some frame drops, however you'll be stuck at a black screen

[past vortex]

i have a geforce 210 lying around somewhere :}

[glossy echo]

100+fps

[past vortex]

its passive, probably 25W TDP :}

[glossy echo]

But 980 works fine, I got one of my best games today!

(I'm noob)

[ancient harness]

I'm just fine if I don't get randomly kicked out of the server because of "connection lost" man

[arctic rampart]

I'm just fine if I don't Alt+F4 out of the game when I realize most SL's have the tactical understanding of a peanut

And have the f'ing audacity to not listen to cmd in the case that he knows better

[ancient harness]

You're lucky if they even listen to their own unit

[arctic rampart]

That's the main reason I hate bob the builder andies. Completely ruins the whole point of having high levels be a showcase of ones experience on the battlefield. Whilst not always perfect, at least a decent indicator to stfu and listen to him

[ancient harness]

I like servers that limit certain roles to a minimum level

[arctic rampart]

Is that even possible?

Cause last time I checked, you can't even check whether or not a squad is locked...

[ancient harness]

I've played on servers where you'll get kicked if you choose a role that has a minimum level that you don't achieve yet

[arctic rampart]

Would love to find out those servers. The most I know is that we have servers that are level locked as a whole, such as the one Circle hosts

[ancient harness]

I play on a Spanish server that has officers locked to level 50 at least, and commander to level 150

But honestly it's the only one I play regularly/remember

[arctic rampart]

Only spanish

https://tenor.com/d1s6GSthAbz.gif

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-espana-gif-4612955756070215712

[ancient harness]

You can always check the server browser and perhaps you'll find servers with this feature, or servers that don't need it to have competent leaders

[nova pivot]

@dusty bolt calm down 🫸

[arctic rampart]

Server's irrelevant in terms of getting competent players

Everyday we have a person here saying "X server is the best, always SL's that lead" or something along the lines.
But it's always complete RNG what kind of people you get. One day you get decent players, the next, hot garbage.

[nova pivot]

Most garbage than decent players tbh

The worst part of hell let loose are their player

https://tenor.com/view/change-my-mind-gif-11630051

[ancient harness]

Very real

Being a good player is as simple as speaking and listening

Skill and knowledge will come with time but if you don't speak nor listen, you're a piece of s

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-2049-ryan-gosling-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-damn-it-god-damnit-gif-16187953851133224395

[nova pivot]

Do you need a hug?

You look like you need it

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/vance-jd-vance-jd-vance-meme-shrek-meme-lollipop-gif-847435284635901247

[nova pivot]

Stay respectful please my good sir

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/hugging-big-floppa-gif-21942092

[ancient harness]

Sorry 🙏

[nova pivot]

It's okay, I don't work here😗

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-big-floppa-kitty-review-gif-21384663

[nova pivot]

I'm just messing around

[arctic rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036120241366896691/1445142903642128487/the-morning-after-art-by-me-v0-3h884zfaq74g1.png?ex=692f45b5&is=692df435&hm=b19e97ac1fd2cb3f36ac2782d863f9b1e987ddbb3b8827b50b6c7d607006f5a6&

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053264

[slate canopy]

😒 guyssss

[nova pivot]

Why can't you let us have fun? 😒

[slate canopy]

Stop spamming gifs 😒

[nova pivot]

Join us, send a gif, be bad for once

It's fun I promise

[slate canopy]

You are the worst with floppas all the time.

[nova pivot]

I literally base my personality around Floppa

How do you expect me to not use it?

[slate canopy]

You don't see me posting polar bears all the time. 🐻‍❄️

[nova pivot]

Because you are a modzzzz

😴

Don't ban me

Please

👉 👈

[finite berry]

I mean, you could change that :D

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/umq8xiije46.gif

It's not spamming cause there's text above 😘

[glossy echo]

When Skomonoleskn release

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/umq8xiije46.gif

It's not spamming. I promise

[glossy echo]

https://tenor.com/umq8xiije46.gif

[arctic rampart]

That's spamming

[glossy echo]

Sorry sir

[arctic rampart]

@worthy charm

https://tenor.com/oRek8NQzGP5.gif

in the critically acclaimed game HELL LET LOOSE

Moderated and communicated in part by Benny (BentoBox) Boi

[worthy charm]

Thats why I only used the sticker! Im a very smart boi. 🧠

[worthy charm]

I will zap you all

[hard whale]

I'm super excited for The update

[analog helm]

yay me too. Til the connection ends

[glossy echo]

Ok 👍

[obtuse dragon]

One day... ONE DAY

The finnish will be added

or atleast i pray for them to be added

[ancient harness]

Italians and Japanese are still waiting for their well deserved introduction 💔

[dusty bolt]

I'm super excited for The update

[worthy charm]

Shooo 🧹

Go seed a server

[dusty bolt]

I am on Glow's Battlegrounds US East ™ seeding 🙂

[pale hamlet]

I don't even know how you could make them realistically on par with the US .

Their weapons are crap .

Unless you force the Italians in the desert and then they deal with the Brits , which is just " which weapons are more garbage ? " and still Italy takes the cake.

[worthy charm]

Imagine a faction with bad weapons and completely garbage tanks.

[ancient harness]

Yeah honestly I regret what I said

[pale hamlet]

That's Italy and noone would like to play as Italy unless the weapons and tanks are better than their real life counterparts

maybe their Beretta SMG would be godly , but that just means every role with smg is permalocked on the Italian Side.

[worthy charm]

Italians are even worse than Japanese

Japan would at least have a new kind of map with jungle

[pale hamlet]

Jungle would be funny for about a day and then everyone would not want to play because everyone is wearing tropic fever jungle camo on the US side

Also noone would like to play the Japanese willingly because their weapons are just bad.

Imagine having to deal with the Type 11 or the Type 96 as a machinegunner. Unless they have German Lend Lease or the Type 92 , which is a Lewis Gun .

[novel geyser]

I swear if the pacific ever dropped and the US just have their usual europe outfits

[pale hamlet]

They'll probably have Pacific outfit bundles.

I mean , I do think the Japanese used licensed copies of the MG 15 , but point still stands : the actual guns made from Japan would suck except the Arisaka and the type 100 smg ?

[pale hamlet]

Monte cassino map ?

Just a massive mountain map .

[obtuse dragon]

the carcano wasn't that bad bro 😭

and the MAB 38 was genuinely good

Actually, the M38 carcano was lowkey peak, the italians lacked on tanks

[vague lagoon]

I mean they did go through the effort of distinguishing the Allied faction and The British Eighth Army, same with the Afrika Corps vs Germany

Can’t see why they wouldn’t do US Marines or something

[novel geyser]

british didnt launch with eighth army

and we still see winter coats on summer maps

I wouldnt put it past them really

[obtuse dragon]

actually the italians SMGs were amazing, barely any recoil+fast fire rate, fnab 43 my beloved

[tropic light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200288437731852459/1445187409724706996/attachment.gif

[tropic light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307477294356369479/1350201982735880232/attachment.gif

[dusty bolt]

facts

[tropic light]

Lame

[slate canopy]

Please don't ping random people.

[tropic light]

“ random people” 💀

[slate canopy]

Don't give me attitude. I don't know your relations to people, and they aren't actively chatting in here 😒

[pale hamlet]

So they'd have a bolt action and a smg that's good and then everything else would suck massively.

that's just the Brits without the armor / crap armor .

[tropic light]

🤪

[gray chasm]

definitely ban this dude. he is a cringe maxxer

[tropic light]

@terry #OhWait

[river swan]

For the love of god; I hope they don't give AT 3 rockets. Basically nerfed armor right after they buffed it is just bad.

[tropic light]

Its time to seed. I wasnt allowed to ping our fellow seeders

[obtuse dragon]

They also had the armaguerra and the Lanciafiamme Modello 35

[slate canopy]

You can advertise seeding in #pc-seeding-help or #console-seeding-help

[tropic light]

@dusty bolt

He is a fellow participant in the conversation in this channel

Maybe a bit too much

💀

[slate canopy]

👍 cool

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-ufc-dont-give-a-fook-dgaf-gif-16771319

[tropic light]

You surely do give a fook about seeding

[tropic light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200288437731852459/1445187409724706996/attachment.gif

Its time to seed Blueberry Dreams

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-ufc-dont-give-a-fook-dgaf-gif-16771319

[tropic light]

Right @gray chasm ?

[pale hamlet]

Was the armaguerra a ok gun ?

[obtuse dragon]

yeah, it wasn't that bad

[pale hamlet]

Give the Italians a Lend Lease mg34 and then it wouldn't be that bad to play them then . ( please, I don't wish a machine gunner to suffer the fate of using the Breda 30 on my worst enemy )

[obtuse dragon]

the breda could go to the lvl 3 or level 6 auto rifleman

since, yk, the italians had a lot of good smgs

[pale hamlet]

wait, isn't the breda a machinegun ?

Unless you'd let players actually aim and not brace that thing to offset everything wrong with that gun

[obtuse dragon]

yes, same goes for bren and it's on the lvl 1 auto rifleman

[nocturne birch]

@nocturne birch

Thank you

[tropic light]

Wtf does the zapped role mean💀

[tropic light]

Have you found your legs?

[nocturne birch]

Naur, I also lost my ears man

[tropic light]

Ohh shittt

[nocturne birch]

Thats wrong flerg

[tropic light]

Whoops wrong flerg

Flerg got yeeted didnt he lmao

[obtuse dragon]

dude, the italians could even get the solothurn if you think about it

[nocturne birch]

Flerg is a goofer

[tropic light]

Did Flerg get zapped

[nocturne birch]

Can we get goofer stats?

[pale hamlet]

🤝 Ok , you sold me on this .

I'll fight for Mussolini.

[nocturne birch]

#FreeFlerg

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-simpsons-bush-bushes-hermit-gif-5786484

[obtuse dragon]

Actually, I can already imagine what the italian AT could get if they ever get added

Solothurn on lvl 1, the cannone 47/32 for lvl 3, a Satchel on 6 and the panzerchreck on lvl 8

unless the devs never add them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220918530283802624/1424003804785016892/togif-1.gif

[pale hamlet]

Inb4 it's not the Italians that are added,

It's the Finns

PERKELE

but yes . Now that you say it , Italy would probably be played like a nerfed Germany-Russia hybrid with the good smgs and semi-auto rifles .

[tropic light]

@dusty bolt you and I are zapped

we're basically twins

Thats wild🤣🤣 cant emoji react

[dusty bolt]

For what?

[nocturne birch]

Why is nothing allowed here

[tropic light]

dont question, you might get zapped

[gray lagoon]

When you buy the game on steam, it downloads both the public testing and the regular version of the game. You didn't need to refund the game, just look through your steam games and find the regular version of the game. The regular logo doesn't have a hammer.

[nocturne birch]

WHY IS NOTHING ALLOWED HERE (also horses in the game would be cool yk)

[tropic light]

whatever you do, dont use the :zany-face: or else you will be bunkered

[nocturne birch]

🇳🇴

[obtuse dragon]

dude get away from the epic games version

i have it and you barely get discounts on that thing bro 😭

[tropic light]

hll is $12.49 rn until Dec 8th

[slate canopy]

Please advertise in #pc-seeding-help or #console-seeding-help

[wintry thistle]

🤪

[river rover]

AI is always watching. 🙁

[tropic light]

get zapped buddy

[nocturne birch]

🤪

[tropic light]

taking away perms for a default emoji is wild work

[nocturne birch]

Stats?

[tropic light]

are we allowed to post HLL stats in here?

[empty steppe]

🤪

[nocturne birch]

Can you lose more perms anyway?

[tropic light]

next step is being bunkered

[empty steppe]

Can I be zapped?

[cosmic pilot]

i'll ask him

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-al-say-what-gif-9969399

[lone ember]

Ok thx

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/were-sorry-tony-hayward-south-park-s14e11-coon2rise-of-captain-hindsight-gif-22864499

[devout isle]

whats the best way to level up machine gunner

[old lake]

hey guys I have a question, was the panzershrieck dropoff changed at any point of the games life

I only recently got into learning mid to long range shots and what I have practiced does not line up with references I have found online

does this have to do maybe with FOV?

[old lake]

maybe I’ll switch to the standard fov to try, can anyone tell me what it is?

[slender yew]

Is there a way to fix my loadout from resetting everytime I relaunch the game?

[honest geyser]

Damn update is coming already

[arctic rampart]

Yes

[graceful solstice]

is lost connection to host going to be fixed this update?

[past veldt]

This is the way. All the markers you'll find online work for 90-120 adsfov but will not work below

[obtuse dragon]

The update Is tomorrow

Prepare for the bugs

[vagrant jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/winter-winter-is-coming-snow-gif-26050637

[delicate mortar]

You will eat ze bugs 🐛

[river rover]

Those are features. It's not the best troubleshooting tool outside of a game ever for no reason. 😛

[candid mason]

I have learned something. If my ping is seriously over the other players I have no chance of doing okay in the game. I am just cannon fodder by the invisible man.

[sturdy quarry]

are there many FPS online games where poor ping is not a disadvantage?

[umbral osprey]

Day 3 of asking to please finally let us transfer level and class progression between Steam, Epic and Xbox PC 🥺 🙏

[vale garnet]

T17 once again on the “ruin HLL any%” speedrun

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

Sir, we dont spam stuff here

[lost pumice]

The update out yet?

[analog apex]

tomorrow

today they are releasing only the U19 trailer, tomorrow the U19 update itself

[dense wyvern]

oh dam i thought it was coming out 2026

[umbral osprey]

Do you suggest I pray to God instead lol

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/crispy-rule14-rule14-no-politics-no-religion-gif-27090942

No

But dont spam it either

[main lance]

Rockets are completely FOV dependent, the only way to get maximum distance with a rocket for a snipe is 90 fov, other than that never change your fov if you’re an AT player like I’ve been playing on 80 fov for years cause of this

[umbral osprey]

Define spam

[worthy charm]

I wont, just stop

[cosmic pilot]

Why not just learn the reference at the fov you want

[sturdy quarry]

does this differ at all now we have a ADS fov slider as well as general fov?

[main lance]

I did, I know the trajectory at 80 fov but if you want maximum range for pshrek or bazooka you HAVE to be in 90 fov

[umbral osprey]

No seriously, I don't know what stop means if you don't tell me what to stop. People complain about the same stuff all day here but I can't ask for an important thing nicely once a day?

[main lance]

Maximum distance sniping is always 90 fov but your personal fov the rockets will fly a certain way so just learn whatever fov you play on, like I have 1000+ hours of rocket sniping on 80 fov for normal shots but I switch to 90 fov for cross map lineups

[worthy charm]

Im not argueing with you, im telling you to stop. If you have problems knowing what I mean feel free to proceed and find out.

[umbral osprey]

Wow what is this attitude

[glossy echo]

when is the changelog

[finite berry]

True

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/umq8xiije46.gif

Same shi' different day

[main harness]

@main lance please do not speak in public. Thank you. Carry on.

[nocturne birch]

🤪

[flint crescent]

First look at this chat and seeing the attitude of certain entities, wow

Thought this'd be a chill place.

[main lance]

Bean man, who let you out of your cage. -1 bean ration for speaking out against your daddy

[main harness]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-eyes-kid-pork-and-beans-beans-gif-19099849

[glossy echo]

still wondering…

[fringe hollow]

#telegrams says it all. If something isn't there, it hasn't been announced yet. If you wonder when they will post something, try reading the previous post.

[glossy echo]

should be today

[cosmic pilot]

By what mechanism

[fringe hollow]

It's also 8 in the morning EST. While there IS the rest of the world, usually they wait until later.

[main lance]

What do you mean

[cosmic pilot]

What about 90 degrees fov extends the range of the bazooka. And if it's so important, why are you neglecting to specify whether the x axis or y axis setting is being maintained.

[main lance]

That’s just how it works…90 fov is the only way to get maximum distance impact before the rocket fizzles out. I can’t remember exact but pshrek is like 860m and bazooka I’d like 790m. This is just a widely known fact between rocket snipers in the game, it’s 90 fov with a ping jump to get the full trajectory, if you’re not doing a max distance then you just need to know your ping lineups with whatever fov you play

[cosmic pilot]

What is the mechanism by which fov has an impact

Range is only going to be determined by the angle you aim the rocket and your height above the ground.

[neat urchin]

What trucks you trying to rocket snipe 👀

[cosmic pilot]

Because your game state is represented visually, there will be a visual representation of those things at any fov

[main lance]

Jump in a server with admin cam and test it yourself, it’s very simple. Do a ping lineup at 60 fov and 120 fov and it’s vastly difference flight path, I am tell you how it works, this isn’t a matter of opinion so this is a waste of time

[fringe hollow]

lowkey hope they never add mortars. You lot would be too cancer to play against by knowing perfect lineups like a throwing knife angle on COD

[cosmic pilot]

How?

[arctic rampart]

Everyone would just use a calculator

Like always, like every game

[neat urchin]

They need it over arty any day. Would actually make recon viable instead of them just camping HQ.

[arctic rampart]

Recon is already viable. It's just that different play styles are more impactful than others.

[fringe hollow]

I agree they need it, I'm just commenting on how sweaty rocket sniping sounds to me

[neat urchin]

In pubs it's camp arty, in comp it's flare frontline. Its not viable at all lol

[arctic rampart]

In pubs you don't need to camp arty.

[fringe hollow]

no matches last long enough to need to camp anymore

[neat urchin]

You dont need too but ppl do. At least in console kids do.

[arctic rampart]

Majority of artillery fires impact on the battlefield in a pub match isn't because arty's super duper good, but because your team lacks spawns.
Often the loudest mfers in chat about arty are the ones spawning on the SINGULAR defensive garrison.

Recon's way more viable simply setting up back garries as well as taking down the enemies. It essentially forces a whole 6-man squad to waste their time dealing with a 2-man squad.

[neat urchin]

True but no one plays the game the traditional way anymore. IDK how it is on PC but no one builds garrisons unless theres a few comp guys playing, recon camps arty. And no one drops supplies or is good enough to play AT against the new tank rework. And on top of that ppl camp more than ever in a bush now cause they're too scared to run out in the open or use a good flank. It's frustrating.

[arctic rampart]

I don't think we have it /that/ bad, but certain mechanics from comp are truly quite toxic to the level that they infest normal matches as well

Even something as stupid as rocket sniping

[neat urchin]

Or when our comp arty player is playing pubs and drops almost 500 a match lol

[fringe hollow]

Console has always sounded like the less appealing platform. Console gaming as a whole is different and has different mentalities than PC. It doesn't help that tactical shooters are niche as is

[silk igloo]

Surely it'd be up to the server to decide that. Dont tell me that you could shoot farther if you hacked your FOV outside of the bounds or something

like surely the server that registers hits and such doesnt look at what your FOV is

[neat urchin]

It is cause it's harder for guys to shoot i think than PC. Unless you have a device to become "enhanced shooters" for your console and then you just become an aim bot who has no life.

[main lance]

Doesn’t make sense cause 90 is max distance so “hacking your fov” which is not a thing to go beyond 120fov would just make your rocket path worse. 90 is distance and anything within 300m is preference but you have to know your own rocket flight paths on what fov you play on

[fringe hollow]

Those are called cheaters and there is no other word for them. Being forced to a stick 100% has it's downsides but harder to aim shouldn't take away from the tactical and skillful mapgame at play

[arctic rampart]

It's funny to see how console players turn and stuff in games like hll and Arc Raiders

[neat urchin]

It does. The game is simple but guys find it hard to shoot with a stick. I get it but at the same time it takes away from the fun when you're getting lasered by someone who doesnt miss their first shot from beyond 100m

[arctic rampart]

It's like a "flick" becomes a "smooth brush stroke" xd

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-console-gaming-devil-may-cry-dmc-gif-9883724163894743335

[arctic rampart]

Yeah that's true.

I would love something like an ICO update for HLL.

[neat urchin]

Im slow as heck with my settings. I'm old in that nature. I try not to play it like cod.

Also i feel like the game as well over time has changed its sensativity settings without telling ppl. I used to be so good, now i struggle at times. IDK might be cause im getting old lol

[fluid pawn]

Will be dropping in a bit don't worry 🫡

[clever heart]

Man there's like a massive amount of chinese players than a few months ago

And its frustrating to communicate with them because they dont even speak English

[worthy charm]

Im sorry for being bad at math... 😭

[silk igloo]

I once met one whose only knowledge in english seemed to be how to request a heavy tank. I suppose it's still more effort than many players who never say a word though...

[dusty bolt]

Smolensk is a great map. I think it has one of the better night time map variants out there

Apart from Hill 400 Night 🙂 Right @fluid pawn ? 😛

[umbral osprey]

You're projecting malice onto me for some reason in your refusal to explain it. I'm autistic, I'm not being deliberately obtuse. I genuinely want to know how I can bring it up again cause otherwise you're basically silencing me on the subject. I know the precise way I just did it meets most definitions of spam (obviously). I felt doing it respectfully and only once a day wasn't a big deal and no one would care, but you're entitled to complain about it if you really must. I was asking you to define spam so I know how to bring it up moving forward.

This game doesn't exactly need fewer people making noise about its shortcomings so I don't intend to shut up about it. Such a feature isn't just a little extra would-be-nice-to-have in 2025 -- especially on this game with its different versions offering a very different experience sometimes. There aren't a lot of people willing to ask for this, which necessarily makes it look kinda spammy when I'm doing it alone.

I brought the issue up yesterday while Ben was responding to people and he ignored it. As you well know, we're given no real sense of how and when our feedback and suggestions are taken into consideration. I contacted T17 support about it 2 days ago (because I now own the game 3 times and really really want to transfer my progress) and they told me to bring it up again here even though I already suggested it in the summer in the designated channel.

We can't tell at all if the Suggestions channel is just another way for this company to placate people or if the suggestions are taken seriously. And if you made a suggestion half a year ago, is your suggestion rejected? Was it not looked at and buried? Should you suggest it again? Who knows.

[arctic rampart]

Average 13SNC member 🥀

[dusty bolt]

What

[worthy charm]

Please stay respectful

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/Pljh.gif

Cute cat. We should get cats in HLL

[worthy charm]

Im still not arguing with you... also when Ben doesnt respond to you it doenst mean he ignored you.

-# Or at least thats what I tell myself. :}

[dusty bolt]

#ReleaseHill400Night

[arctic rampart]

He responded to me within a year. He's chill like that

[clever heart]

Some of them at least make an effort to speak in English yes. its annoying when they join an English only server and start speaking in Chinese as a squad leader

[fluid pawn]

it's true

[worthy charm]

10 Months is record time.

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/stickergiant-right-on-time-on-time-see-you-soon-on-my-way-gif-24960080

[dusty bolt]

hill 400 night my beloved ❤️

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/cFqhHjlttK6.gif

[fluid pawn]

I can give you 10 minutes or 10 months

[worthy charm]

Can you make pacific in 10 minutes?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1431200877628100730/BasketBergCascade.gif

[arctic rampart]

HL3 before pacific

[covert elbow]

Wish we got a rain variant for it

[sturdy quarry]

careful last time someone said similar herrwilles accused them of racism

[dusty bolt]

Bro the night variant SLAPS

On top of the hills, its pitch black... no fog or anything. just straight up darkness

[covert elbow]

HLL? Being dark? Lmao

[dusty bolt]

The map has been done for like 2 years now

[arctic rampart]

All I know is a chinese girl told me they need some special codes to access certain servers. Besides that, haven't looked into it why they choose to play on like 200ping eu servers instead of their own. But I like them, good teammates.

[umbral osprey]

Who's talking about arguing. And no, but it might of course.

[covert elbow]

Ngl I’ve been doing research for a historical guide to HLL and I wish Hill 400 could get a face lift

[arctic rampart]

Instead of research, how about tying down a job?

[covert elbow]

It’s a really solid map but I’d appreciate it if it matched the actual location a bit better

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[covert elbow]

Copy and pasted assets my hated

[arctic rampart]

How else would one pay for a subscription to play online?

[worthy charm]

Farm gold and sell it on Ebay 🔥

Are People still doing that?

[arctic rampart]

Not worth, it's all botted

Yeah, via bots.

[nova pivot]

Where is the full trailer?

[arctic rampart]

Wow, final fantasy, name a mmo-ish game and we got people botting gold on it

[worthy charm]

AI takes away your Job... Hard time to be alive

[worthy charm]

[arctic rampart]

1 billion gold for 1 peso. big profits

[nova pivot]

When is soon?