mess-hall

[worthy charm]

Oh nooooooooo

[harsh egret]

"I could snipe that garrison over there but my loadout is trash"

[worthy charm]

You reminded me of the third rocket...

:{

[harsh egret]

Thank the whiny tanker boys crying about 2 shots killing their mediums

Now it takes 3 and so AT needs 3

lol

[worthy charm]

The engine still dies after 2 tho...

[nova pivot]

The PIAT is goated

[harsh egret]

Its bad for public lobbies bro where your SL has no mic or ears and doesnt build OPs. Nobody has explosive boxes in pubs either. So you kill an engine, redeploy on a garrison that is hopefully only 300m away and try to get back there with no help and without dying, only to find they have repaired and moved on. Nah man, this makes rocket AT just not nearly as impactful as it should be to the game on a good play.

If teamwork actually exists it would be fine

[nova pivot]

Sorry team what?

[worthy charm]

Huh? The other day on mortain I had 4 AT players hunting me in a medium... 😭

[cerulean kite]

it'd be nice to see more variable AT weapons implemented

[worthy charm]

But yeah im probably just whining....

[harsh egret]

Mortain is always rough for tankers

[nova pivot]

Deserverd for playing mortain

[harsh egret]

Very bush wookie and cqb stuff goes on

[worthy charm]

People are to bad to hit those either way... im just venting a bit.

The 50 supplies for the new tanker loadout is worse in my opinion

[cerulean kite]

thats another thing, AT on average seems to be a pretty bad shot 😭

[worthy charm]

• hit reg. issues 😅

[nova pivot]

That is like giving the at an ammo box

[past vortex]

great idea

[worthy charm]

Which on a ddos revieving full server is the bigger issue.

[cerulean kite]

give the AT role explosive ammo box rn

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-genius-think-smile-use-your-head-gif-17638076

[worthy charm]

Imagine a defending heavy tank which can build itself 2 repair stations without any teamplay at all.

crazy

[past vortex]

idea so good we should ping ben immediatly

[nova pivot]

Don't say it twice

[worthy charm]

or you play recon tank drive around and drop SLs and Spotter supplies for red zone garrisons.

[past vortex]

it it

[cerulean kite]

wished the roles had a rework so they weren't treated as expendable throwaways depending on temporary circumstance, and was instead encouraged longevity

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-hand-handshake-agree-deal-nice-to-meet-you-gif-17070147

[harsh egret]

Idk why the US rifleman doesnt at least have an explosive box loadout like the Germans. The only option currently is using the greasegun and, well, lets be honest.

[nova pivot]

Dogwater

[cerulean kite]

greasegun is pretty satisfying to play with

[harsh egret]

The most inconsistent gun in the game, to say the least

[worthy charm]

People who say the grease gun is a head shot machine are either delusional or just better than me... Im not sure

[past vortex]

idk who thought the grease gun is ok

[nova pivot]

Not enough damage to be an assault rifle but not enough RPM to be a submachingun

[past vortex]

well they have a point... you eighter do all headshots or you die

[cerulean kite]

magdump unsuspecting enemies

[nova pivot]

They will have dumped 3 mags when you are shooting the 2 bullet

[past vortex]

the guy will have switched to melle and shoveld you before the 2nd bullet goes off :}

[harsh egret]

It has moments of brilliance where it seems like it but that is totally dependent on lucky hit registration or a crazy connection advantage going on in your lobby. I'm convinced because one day it feels great and the next it is a hitmarker machine, or the gun simply fires blanks.

[nova pivot]

I feel that with the mp40

[harsh egret]

Terrible sight, terrible rof, and too much recoil for such a slow rof weapon. Greasegun is bad compared to basically every other gun in HLL, by far.

[past vortex]

i played it a bit because i needed a satchel and its only the rof thats inacceptable

otherwise it would work

but unless you are shooting them in the back they will shot you before the 2nd shot goes off

[harsh egret]

Yeah

[cosmic pilot]

How did four at players get inside a medium? 🤨

[cosmic pilot]

The grease gun shoots softball sized bullets

[harsh egret]

Lower recoil would make it have its niche on the Allied side by letting it do better at medium or longer ranges. As it is now, the Thompson is night and day better at any range. Accuracy by volume when all else fails.

[cosmic pilot]

Why do you think people wear helmets playing softball

[worthy charm]

And they probably travel slower than the old SPA projectiles

[harsh egret]

Incase they take a throw off the dome at the plate or on the basepaths.

[cosmic pilot]

Thank you for making my point, that the grease gun is good at headshots like softballs are at hitting people in the head

Hence the need for helmets

[harsh egret]

I guess

[cosmic pilot]

I bend reality to my will

[honest geyser]

Games 12.49 rn tempted to buy it

Heard some good and bad about this game

[cosmic pilot]

PTSD simulator

[harsh egret]

I saw a kid get beamed right in the forehead on a ball as he was running to first base. He had a baseball size lump in his forehead within about 7 seconds and needed an ambulance. It was actually one of the most terrifying things I ever saw in many years playing baseball

[honest geyser]

Its 12.49 usd rn really tempted

[cosmic pilot]

Baseball sized lump from getting hit by a baseball, you say

[harsh egret]

Yeah but you can throw a softball almost as hard if its a close play to beat the runner

[worthy charm]

Try it out if you want, but for the love of good only buy DLCs if you love the skins with all your hearth, dont play official server and use your mic.

[cosmic pilot]

Here, please explain to him in German that I'm messing with him 😭

[harsh egret]

I know you are, but I waste no opportunity to educate our loyal lurkers

[worthy charm]

Hyrum ist nicht der hellste.

-# ||/s||

[harsh egret]

I'm bright. You're just a hater Mr Willes

🙂

[honest geyser]

Is the game still having performance and optimization issues?

[worthy charm]

Im talking about you 😅
I would never say this about someone who isnt on the naughty list.

[worthy charm]

Always is, but try out if it works for you, I dont have any issue... Just dont download it on a HDD for the love of clown.

[honest geyser]

I only have a hdd but it works smooth on mines for some reason

I tried it out on gamepass it was smooth 70 to 100 fps

[worthy charm]

Your one lucky dude then, HDD usually cause issues with this game.

[harsh egret]

The fps and crashing starts shortly after your refund window ends

Jk I'm on xbox I have no idea. Game runs like hot 💩

[honest geyser]

Seems like game just tarkov'ed me lol

[honest geyser]

Yh occasionally some maps i have initial loading issues with maps

But thats about it

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[trim pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/licking-emoj-licking-gif-14382086354779738947

[gray garden]

bro.... freeky

[nova meteor]

There’s gotta be a way to break the feeling of “run die run die”

[leaden fiber]

yeah, build garrisons and use them.

[nova meteor]

Eh very niche game already, need to just move on to the sequel at this point

Remember kids make sure you lower your graphics settings so you can be competitive like what 😂😂

[echo scroll]

Can you please fix the crashes on console? I was having an excellent match leveling up my class and it crashed right before the end. It's awful and it makes me not want to play anymore. Please fix it. If you want to have two games, fix the problems in one, please.

[echo karma]

8 winters and 9 days later still no update.

[nova meteor]

Used to love this game what happened ugh rip HLL

[analog apex]

Over the last few weeks/months I have been going down with my love for HLL as well. I find myself getting no joy even when I am killing plenty and doing good, and also with the knowledge I can crash or get disconnected before a round is over.

I can play my prefered roles only very rarely anymore, usually ending up being forced to be SL just because the level of incompetence of other SLs is freezing low (or no SLs or no talking SL in the squad... or mix of all the mentioned).

The new artillery changes are... counterproductive. I hoped the overhaul would finally include implementation of mortars and full removal of the HQ arty. Instead, we are getting a strange mix of the overhaul, where the recon <> HQ arty loop still stays. And with a question if the mortars will EVER be implemented at all. These mentioned stuffs now sit on top of all the old unattended problems that remain unattended either. And the pile is so big.

[woven lynx]

🥲

[analog apex]

While... the HLL playercounts keep dropping and I don't think U19 (even in its newest build) will turn the downTrend around.

[fleet jacinth]

I haven't really played since U18 either tbh. I help AFK seed a server daily, but that's it. The crashes annoyed me no end, as does this new arty ability. The unwanted changes to the death screen irritate me enormously (unreasonably so), but, they will make that configurable in U19, and Smolensk looks good so far, so I'll give it a go when it comes out.

[worldly mountain]

I assume so too. U18, with all its flaws, simply came at the wrong time.

And I also suspect that the number of players will not increase significantly due to U19.

[potent pier]

Bro the game is being swarmed by level 1 accounts from china with 400 ping whats going on here :S

[river rover]

Chinese servers are probably down or under DDOS attacks again.

[woven lynx]

the ps plus low levels never left either

how is the playercount declining but finding someone above level 100 is getting rarer

and with low levels higher

[novel geyser]

Because people exaggurate the severity of the player count dropping slightly

Whats it on now

[finite berry]

This lol

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/g7zuldGuimy.gif

[peak knot]

It does feel like the game has gotten a lot less enjoyable for infantry since the last patch. Between getting even more hammered by skillless, one-sided, artillery and tank-infantry balance being completely messed up and also becoming one-sided and unfun for infantry.

[smoky urchin]

I'd argue it's got much better as infantry, the ADS fov slider separation allowing it to be 60 making the game more enjoyable instead of squinting your eyes, I've noticed more and more infantry are now forming firing lines, holding places they otherwise wouldn't have bothered with, instead of running around. That one simple change has actually had a huge impact on the overall quality of infantry play alone.

[worldly mountain]

last games so many low level players where corner camping..

But more a problem is the non communication..

[worthy charm]

• they are mad when new people a get into the game and the game quality drops as a consequence.

[analog apex]

maybe
true enough about infantry vs tanks balance - some tanks got some new broken collision models so it's impossible or very hard to satchel them, while the rockets gotten even less viable way of destroying tanks

I wouldn't mind when tanks took many rockets to destroy... if the tanks had some more internal components to destroy and to be able to immobilise a tank via detracking. And if it was possible to kill or at least wound the crew inside the tank via penetration hits.

Oh, and ofc., if each vehicle hit would give the players the XP and not just the final blow. Not my problem anymore since I have been on LVL 500 for some longer time already, but this fairness should be implemented when it comes to the score/XPs.

[peak knot]

The fov change is tiny compared to the frustration of getting hammered by players who are playing a different game and that you can’t deal with

The entire focus on the patch was on crashes because it was so messed up, shoving the gameplay issue under the rug

[analog apex]

this ☝️
right now it feels that the devs are done with the fixings for fatal errors and disconnects and are concentrating just on U19

U19 = more paper parts to the top of the house of cards built on the water (so far)

[peak knot]

Their fix for the terrible AT gameplay loop is to give them more rockets…. I am not hopeful for the future

[analog apex]

more initial rockets would be again OK... if the player would not redeploy/respawn with a full rearm each time

just make the ammo boxes viable and remove the stupid 1x box rearm per life, get a rearm cooldown there instead

[peak knot]

This is an interesting thought. 3 rockets is dumb and affects OPs and garrisons too much. Better might be to reduce rockets needed to two but put AT rockets on a cooldown similar to supplies. Then the silly redeploy loop is also gone

[analog apex]

cooldown for rockets... meh, more like cooldown for rearms

if rockets would get a cooldown, then one wouldn't need ordnance ammo box at all

would fix the overflooding with rockets problem - that is true, but it would push the ordnance boxes completely away. That's why I would more concentrate on the ammo boxes as the primary means for rearm.

[peak knot]

Problem with ammo boxes is again the huge benefit of axis

Grease gun only expoammo is very limiting

[analog apex]

yeah that's another sensless dev decision... that the US rifleman has no access to the ordnance box

and Team17 hasn't seemed to care to fix it by simple & easy adding a new loadout to the US Rifleman

For tea and country! 😉 heh

[smoky urchin]

I'm still not sure what you're on about here, I'm not seeing this huge change where you're declaring infantry play is now less enjoyable, and the FOV is a huge change in making Infantry enjoyable, I've not heard a single complaint about this change especially when you can now put it to 60 for aiming and not feel like you're running around in slow mo.

[analog apex]

the FOV is a huge change in making Infantry enjoyable, I've not heard a single complaint about this change
One needs to have open ears 🙂 ... and eyes.
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1425919813129076788

[smoky urchin]

I'm aware of a lot of things and I've not heard a single person moan about it, you might have an issue but this games infantry play was bad before this change, you never once saw a firing line of infantry or wanting to hold up an area. I see it pretty much daily now.

Infantry now act like infantry

[analog apex]

before this change, you never once saw a firing line of infantry or wanting to hold up an area. I see it pretty much daily now.
You honestly can't want to claim that there are suddenly people holding an area because of the FOV slider addition.

[smoky urchin]

Because they are, I've seen the change everyday.

[cosmic pilot]

You're incredibly small minded.
Of course making a fundamental change will require a rework of load outs to accommodate it.
It's not worth even considering that one thing changes with everything else stays exactly the same.

[worldly mountain]

THIS!!

[analog apex]

now I can't take that claim any differently than a bad joke, sry

[peak knot]

It’s a tiny change and I haven’t heard anyone state they like the game now where they didn’t before contrary to the opposite regarding the tank changes

[smoky urchin]

Well that's your prerogative I know what I see but you do you.

[analog apex]

there is no objective connection

[peak knot]

In comes the clueless guy

[smoky urchin]

It's a huge change and I don't know what your issue is with infantry being less enjoyable, maybe because your dying more since people can actually see what they're shooting at, I don't know. I'm not feeling this or hearing this from my own community

[analog apex]

defending a change, that supplements a sniper scope... just where the heck have we gotten when it comes to HLL playerbase

[smoky urchin]

Right... With that sentiment I'm out.

[analog apex]

can't call it any else than an exploit that should be fixed

[woven lynx]

wasn’t even a console player this time

[peak knot]

I’m killing more than ever before lately, but I’m dying more to people playing a different game that I as infantry can’t really deal with anymore. That’s frustratingly unfun, and only detracts from the skill involved

[analog apex]

people are getting more and more lazy, they want to be able to accurately see and kill enemies from any and all distances, they love having such stupid helpers as ADS FOV

[smoky urchin]

What are you even on about, clarify what you're saying, "different game"

[analog apex]

agreed

[peak knot]

Tanks, artillery

They fight one another, infantry just gets to suffer it

[smoky urchin]

You're a lone infantry man, you shouldn't be doing that anyway, 1 manpower vs fuel cost and as for Arty, just go over there? It's not hard. It's a boring game loop but it's not hard.

I feel like you need to be playing Battlefield where you can solo tanks and heli's on your own as a one man army.

[analog apex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-force-awakens-han-solo-harrison-ford-finn-gif-2576405398080911283

doesn't matter if 1 man or 1 squad these days...

[cosmic pilot]

Explain, what do you mean you as infantry can't deal with what

Ah, you don't want to be part of the combined arms game

Well, the bad news is, it's mostly mindset.
The good news is, it's only partially a game design problem.

People who think that hll is slow paced are perceptually incorrect.

[analog apex]

it's more about general balance of those combined arms parts

at least that's how I felt about his message

[cosmic pilot]

The tanks are near as good in a place as they can be atm

[fringe hollow]

I enjoy being scared of armor and indirect fire. I don't like being railed, no lube, by them. See the difference?

[cosmic pilot]

In regards to artillery, it's missing two components.
Infantry needs to be able to build small free static defences to protect from artillery.
The other half is my suggestion to allow aoe weapons to induce a downed state like small arms does

[peak knot]

Indeed. I mostly play SL in pubs out of necessity and it was fun to be able to help an AT get behind a tank and deal with it. Now even if you do manage to do so, which on higher level matches is a challenge of itself, your AT still has his junk is his hands because as soon as he shoots once, the tank instantly turns and if by some miracle he still gets his second shot in, it’s still not enough

[cosmic pilot]

This is the correct player interaction

If you want the bazooka to be more powerful you have to limit it's availability

AT players are basically equivalent to modern day kamikaze drones.
In a WW2 game, it's not appropriate

[worthy charm]

People still think if they cant take down a tank alone its an issue...

Medic needs a satchel frfr

:}

[cosmic pilot]

People don't want to have to change what they've been doing for the last 5 years.
And their primate brain just chimps out once anything deviates from that.

[fringe hollow]

I've seen people unironically want a solo to be able to kill a medium at least if they get two in the back but the sides take 3.

[analog apex]

here I just dislike the inconsistency of damage/penetration of rockets vs tanks - sometimes 3 rockets needed even against a light tank 90° rear hits. And then there are the new certain collision tank models that prevent placing a satchel even on a flat tank's surface.

[peak knot]

Infantry needs a decent way to deal with tanks to not feel powerless against them and lose matches because one side dominates tanks. There was a balance between infantry and tanks before and it still wasn’t easy to kill good tanks but now it is completely broken such that they don’t even need to be decent anymore

[cosmic pilot]

Inconsistency in tank pen/damage is preferable

[worthy charm]

lmao... Its just a joke at this point.

[fringe hollow]

It's fine. The casual lone wolf will be pushed away and the glorious team players will prevail. All 7 of us

[analog apex]

inconsistency in our case is not a planned/predetermined feature, more like a bug
and the satchel not placeable just "just because" is not good enough

[cosmic pilot]

It's not broken.
For a tank to remain "unkillable" it has to be constantly moving which means on any specific area it's exposure time to kill stuff is reduced.

This balances it out.

[worthy charm]

Even bigger lmao... Half the inf got magic boxes that one shot even a heavy.
Obviously there is no way to kill tanks...

[weary vine]

I think people fail to realise armor is an essential part of ground breakthroughs, without armor you will see a lot of stalemates. These are broken with armor, not only squads of infantry flanking. they also provide a source of mobile cover, a couple of escorts to a panzer is invaluable for either

[worthy charm]

Not to start about other ways of killing tanks... like if you just useyour own tanks.

But no...

[peak knot]

So because there’s satchels it’s ok for AT to be useless?

[analog apex]

if you manage to place it or if the game f???s you up because you won't find a place-able spot fast

[worthy charm]

Maybe give Automatic rifleman also a satchel. With 5 satchels is surely better

[cosmic pilot]

By making the tank faster and more durable you actually reduce the volume of stuff it's killing, but the benefit is increased decisiveness where it dies kill stuff. This is a really good change.

[worthy charm]

and lets not forget spotter satchel.

So we dont have nodes ever again

[analog apex]

extreme, not realistic

[nova pivot]

Dynamite to only destroy arty

[analog apex]

TNT we have seen on the OBJECTIVE gamemode PTE

[worthy charm]

AT has a satchel? Also if you are able to hit your rockets even a medium dies after 2 hits... what should the crew do when the engine is dead?

[nova pivot]

I was writing that

[fringe hollow]

AT gets a satchel. To be clear. You mean rockets and AT guns I assume. Everyone is taking you at face value but satchels are still a major part of anti tanking with how they work in game.

[worthy charm]

AT guns are pretty strong when placed correctly

[nova pivot]

It's the main way

[analog apex]

I take always only satchel kit (unless I know there is a scout car or a halftrack), anything else is a waste of time.

[nova pivot]

And now that you need 3 hits satchels are even more needed

[worthy charm]

Take it with a grain of salt... Im more venting than actually being serious.

[fringe hollow]

I think that's their point. Satchels are the ONLY meaningful way to AT. I do see that as a problem but no idea how to fix

[weary vine]

Do tanks survive side armor shots from a Bazooka/Panzerschreck tho? Unkillable tanks would bean they always survive regardless

[worthy charm]

Depends on the tank and the rocket launcher

Because they still didnt buff the bazooka pen.

[cosmic pilot]

I still stand by that at guns should be upgradable

[nova pivot]

Put the p4 against a wall and you have a tank immune to ATs

[weary vine]

How far does armor simulation go is probably the best question

[worthy charm]

Would be cool indeed...

[nova pivot]

Not deep at all

Very simple and arcadey mechanics

[fringe hollow]

wdym? Like modular components?

[worthy charm]

You got 4 diffrent armour types from very light to heavy and then the cannons with AP rounds and the penetration for these armor types.
A cannon of equal level can penetrate the armor of its level and below (with some exeptions for angels etc) without issue.

[weary vine]

Doesn't need to go too deep just be able to damage armor with proper positioning and shot placement

[nova pivot]

Nah the only tank with an actual weakpoint is the panther

[fringe hollow]

That's about what's in game now. The panther even has a "weakspot". The turret cheeks beside the gun mantlet (shown in my discord profile) can be penned by a medium.

[weary vine]

I know AT weapons started to get pretty useless later on since the panzerkamfwagen IV was very sturdy and especially tigers

[worthy charm]

We all remember the blankets on the side of the J76

[weary vine]

That being said you should be able to pen the turret cheeks of a tiger afaik

They are not invincible or shouldn't don't know if AT weaponry in this game is very effective never tried, i've been doing rifleman exclusively to learn the game(i'm still new)

[fringe hollow]

the gun mantle covers the whole front of the turret.

[cerulean kite]

but fr though, SL needs to become more enjoyable for the average player cos its detrimental to the game as a whole, especially since all the official servers just vanished

[worthy charm]

Give him a Satchel, thats a sure fix

[fringe hollow]

I think players need to just learn how to SL correctly. You won't be Mister Man on the frontlines just because you're SL. You need the squad you're given to fill the roles and solve the problems

[analog apex]

remove AT role from infantry squads, implement AT squad type, then... why not... an AT squad's SL no problem

[cerulean kite]

i genuinely cannot find a game cos SLs just leave or create a squad just to pick a different role and then everyones punished

and im sick of picking SL

[fringe hollow]

Those people are scum and deserve spoiled milk for their cereal

[cerulean kite]

makes me worried if these will be the same issues for vietnam, then it wont really be worth getting

[worthy charm]

WRONG CHAT ALARM

[fringe hollow]

'Nam doesn't effect me. Wrong war. Tell me how the jungle goes tho

[cerulean kite]

lol

[nova pivot]

We are not going to accept giving the SL an STG. Stop it man

[fringe hollow]

I'm curious how we would upgrade AT guns. What could we do to them that makes sense aside from increasing HP per level

[worthy charm]

The 88cm doesnt need logic its perfect already.

[weary vine]

Not sure what's the opinion on new players getting into SL from that start. Not going to lie, i'm no master tactician or claim i know what to do all the time, but i'm kinda tired of not knowing what the squad is doing because the SL is silent or just mindlessly pushing points all the time, while squads just come from flanks and no one turns around. At the same time i just don't feel like i should lead 5 other people while i'm just a measly newbie

[cerulean kite]

what?

could be a level 8 thing to grind and look forward to, which means not everyone is going to get it unless they main SL for a long time

[fringe hollow]

It's encouraged for new players to learn the ins and outs of the game first. Only after that will people usually accept learning SL. You also need to actually want to learn and take feedback from the vets. @weary vine

[cerulean kite]

but again, thats not even what im on about, it should just be made more enjoyable and satisfying to save the game

[fringe hollow]

Long 88 my beloved

also 88 cm is QUITE massive, no?

[nova pivot]

Jajaja

SL is the easiest clas to level up

[cerulean kite]

true, could be a higher level subclass then

i dont know, just fix the game, thanks.

[fringe hollow]

I have SL 9 and still have no idea on good garrison placement. No one ever taught me and I didn't see the need to learn when I almost only play roaming defense as SL.

Sure a garry here or there so we don't just lose but screw studying the map for the optimal one

[cerulean kite]

its subjective to change depending on situation on the field of battle 🫡 I wouldn't worry too much about it. if its a bad placement youll know

[tight trout]

im waiting for hll vietnam

[weary vine]

My issue is that i'm starting to not enjoy the process of learning the game. I barely do anything because everywhere i go i just fail to push or shoot anything. I always ask stuff and accept vets suggestions and advice but i just don't get anything of that

[fringe hollow]

Congrats. Tell me how the jungle goes. I'm busy obsessively researching WW2 for the last 5 years.

[tight trout]

I used to be on a team for hll

im so rusty now, I am more into vietnam

was sad when burning lands got cancelled cause scammer dev

[fringe hollow]

I don't find joy in offense personally. Perhaps you could do the roaming defense like me? It's less stressful and the enemies come to you

[tight trout]

but hll vietnam will have tunnels to build

[weary vine]

I would do defense gladly i think no knows the joys of fending off impossible numbers of people. Issue is that i'm caught alone against entire squads. So it feels pretty hopeless

[fringe hollow]

Call squad to defense. If they don't listen, kick them. Especially kick players who don't talk at all unless they are following orders like a good little soldier. You're the Squad Leader. They should be listening to you. Feel more entitled and throw your weight around.

Chain of command fails, the game is lost

[weary vine]

Ah yeah that would make sense, i was talking more about as a rifleman in a random squad, i haven't SL because as i said i'm still new

There's very little direction, and even tho server rules say "use mic if you're SL" admins don't enforce it at all

[smoky urchin]

If a new player takes the role as SL and wishes to learn in text or voice I'm happy to help them, as for suggestions, make sure AA method is not Standard it's got depth of field on so swap to COmmunity TAA or clarity, set the ADS FOV to 60, then from there find a squad that you gel with and enjoy the game.

Expect to die a lot it's not what this game is about, dying can be infuriating if it's not your liking move away from the front line and go flanking, there's a lot you can do. Set yourself your own goals within the match, Holding a junction road stopping a push, to pushing from a different angle to weaken the meatgrinder on the front line.

More importantly play the game as you like, if someone asks you politely to not do what you're doing for certain reasons, for example jumping onto an AT gun they made, but also always ask and be upfront, new want to learn. Most people will tend to help you.

[fringe hollow]

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah being the only guy on defense feels rough. It's an overall issue.

team, game, playerbase, you name it. No one likes defending and it blows my mind

[weary vine]

Very little people know about the insane feat of the 40:1 defense of the Polish against the germans

[fringe hollow]

I wouldn't set scope to 60. It literally gives you zoom and enhance cliche. It's a plague. I would agree IF and only IF, they limit the max FOV relative to minimum so if you get zoom and enhance, you can't instantly see everything around you after zooming out.

as it stands now. It literally has the same zoom as the sniper scopes on recon.

[weary vine]

Makes sense, i've been doing it very classic, rifleman until i know the ins and outs of the flow of the battlefield. Especially map routes and safe spots to flank and push. I even brought the issue of lacking any direction in squads and how silent they are mostly, and i got greeted with the "be part of the solution", but again, it's a catch 24, i'm a new player, i cannot take lead of a squad just yet

[fringe hollow]

I get petty. I report SLs with no mic to an admin

[weary vine]

I should probs do that lol

[fringe hollow]

it also shows which servers are good and which aren't. Admin responsiveness is a key factor that makes community better than official servers

[smoky urchin]

I really hate people pushing new players to learn rifleman only, literally all roles are rifleman with an extra step. Go support it teaches you more and as long as you're willing to drop suppies for your SL now and again that's all that matters. Teaches you map awareness, good garrisons placements and you level up quickly, also some servers are catred to helping new players into the game while also allowing higher level players come in too. Just look around for a server that says they welcome new players.

[fringe hollow]

Jorvik, I should also mention I don't mean to never change FOV. I have mine 75, 105. Any more and it feels like I'm cheating

[fringe hollow]

I see rifleman only for the first two or three games. Learn gunplay, get a feel for the game as a whole, then change to help the squad

[weary vine]

Makes sense, i'll give em a try

[smoky urchin]

They can learn gunplay with any other role, it's not teaching them anything that another shooter doesn't. Honestly, jump in and try it, you won't learn anything if you stick to a rifleman.

[fringe hollow]

I mean learn only gunplay so they can focus on it since they are brand new to the game. If they choose something else, they may be overwhelmed with mechanics right away

Not everyone will be, but this way we could umbrella all new players into a sort of learning experience

[smoky urchin]

If you're struggling to find a friendly server for a new player you're welcome to join the FT&C server. It's not seeded at the moment but will be seeded in an hour or so. Jump in plenty of regulars there and we don't accept new player bashing.

[fringe hollow]

as opposed to "here's the game, if you make a mistake, we might yell at you"

[weary vine]

Will give it a try, i gave other servers a try but i will play there today if i can, im busy later today. Thabks for the advice and suggestions

[smoky urchin]

No worries, I can't promise you'll have an amazing experience but people are willing to help new players and no one will chew you out for being an SL or whatever role you're playing if you're trying, It usually ends up them being vote kicked out if they take it too far. just be mindful of the guy who owns it, complete arsehole. Admins are okay.

[vivid temple]

When does smolensk drop

[weary vine]

Lol gotcha cheers

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/rango-laugh-risa-gif-23463998

[obtuse dragon]

i think mid december

[worn wigeon]

anyone getting network problems on console?

[analog apex]

yes, anyone
as well as on the PC 😜

[dapper sparrow]

Anyone else getting the error message "A network error has occurred"?

[nova pivot]

No,Not right now

[worn wigeon]

@dapper sparrow yh thats the same one im getting

[dapper sparrow]

I doubt they could break more things if they'd actively tried ...

[analog apex]

we keep hearing from time to time from the console people or PC Gamepass or EPIC, that they have these kinds of problems much more than PC

seems the most reliable service has been Steam on PC for HLL

[calm crescent]

Yeah I cant get in game at all

[dapper sparrow]

I'm on PC

[tidal jasper]

Yes, here too on pc. after clicking on "press any key" i get a network problem message. after clicking on "okay" fatal hll error. fourth time in a row now. checking installed files atm.

[dapper sparrow]

Can't quit the game because I can't get to the menu ... Alt+F4 it is

[bleak adder]

Network error issue for me too

[worn wigeon]

I think this maybe the first time ive seen it and i purchased the game when it first released on consoles.

[left tartan]

same here

[ancient glen]

same here

[analog apex]

you guys are right, I tried to restart and can't get to menu anymore 😄

[teal bison]

are we fookin serious

[tame crown]

I am getting a network error message. Anyone else?

[analog apex]

yeah seems to be a wide/general problem this time

[teal bison]

first time trying to play in over a month and im getting this error

💔

[crystal girder]

EOS Login Auth Service is having a Major Outage tis all

[analog apex]

though luck

[teal bison]

so many major web service outages lately

[analog apex]

are they getting DDossed too or what...

[visual niche]

looks like Epic Online Services are experiencing an outtage https://status.epicgames.com/

[dapper sparrow]

I am on Steam.

[stray furnace]

Also steam

[visual niche]

the game uses EOS regardless of the platform afaik

[dapper sparrow]

I've created a report here should you want to upvote: https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1443305253528408155

[stray furnace]

@hallow garnet ola

[analog apex]

I believe this one is out of HLL's devs' hands.

[stray furnace]

trynot

is screming at me

[past vortex]

yea game uses epic api for basic stuff even on steam

[analog apex]

it's a wide outage, not just HLL is impacted

[visual niche]

I pinged the support folks and Benjamin

just in case

[dapper sparrow]

Maybe don't rely on third party services - they should know this by now, the VOIP is a great learning experience.

[analog apex]

yep

can't dispute that

[past vortex]

kinda funny to tell that to hll tho :}

[cosmic pilot]

Solar flare

[clever cape]

I'm network errored. But my work site is fine ofc

[past vortex]

AI admin deleted the database again

[hallow garnet]

Benjamin sabe cosas

[cosmic pilot]

The new scapegoat, replacing the tech intern

[stray furnace]

Benajmín sabe

[obtuse dragon]

los que saben cosas 👀

[stray furnace]

those who snow

[obtuse dragon]

those who let the hell loose

https://tenor.com/view/void-wholsome-mi-machete-gif-15461234643491463926

[empty steppe]

Someone spilled a drink

Prob was skin and dlc artist who’s the only one who works there

[lunar ferry]

i can get get in too

[dapper sparrow]

It's probably using AWS and CloudFlare ... digital ID will be SOOOOO great!

[woven lynx]

ooo cool sun things

reminder to touch grass now and then guys

[dapper sparrow]

I can't - it doesn't render in ...

[woven lynx]

glasses 😉

[hallow garnet]

xD

[tame crown]

So much for HLL and chill…

[velvet linden]

well back to tarkov i guess

[glossy sierra]

Someone ping here when it's fixed 😛

[sharp zephyr]

not fixed

[stray furnace]

Alexander please mute yoruselft at once 🙏

[blissful dove]

It's been not fixed for nearly 2 months

[sharp zephyr]

🤣

[hallow garnet]

:V

[clever cape]

i can't let loose!

[crimson leaf]

yo i really need some help with epic games launcher if someone could help me

[pine wharf]

plz fix fast, I dont want touch grass

[timid rampart]

read above conversation

wrong reply

[crimson leaf]

its kind of ironic because i was just trying to hop on hll for my first time in like 3 months

[clever cape]

😛

[timid rampart]

😖

[vague sail]

This “network issue has occurred” error sucks. Can’t even get into the game 🙁

[timid rampart]

fortnite problem

[valid jay]

that damn EOS

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cirkyte-goat-senyera-valencia-comunitat-valenciana-gif-6824774714983733767

[sacred creek]

:/

[rocky linden]

Why is game down

[crimson leaf]

anyone else couldnt get passed click anywhere on screen before??

[stray furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-catalonia-gif-10290199186508533775

[astral quiver]

please, i need play!!!

@tacit mountain fix it

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-kusti-cat-orange-gif-11284034091988037816

[runic scroll]

wtf i cant log into the game whats happening

[errant rose]

what happened with the game?xd

[runic scroll]

i thought i got banned or smth lol

[rocky spade]

How long till fixed

[runic scroll]

YEAH HOW LONG I CANT WAIT

[errant rose]

i just got in

[solemn tundra]

Same

[stray furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-pwdin-walliant-verybiggroupchat-gif-9027238838451538590

[rocky spade]

I'm in

[solemn tundra]

All my settings reset

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-korean-gamer-laugh-gif-17070278

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-scream-if-you-love-juneau-juneau-juneau-blue-siamese-gif-17443304716636281574

[stray furnace]

HELL IS BACK

[pine wharf]

yay its workin

[stray furnace]

im playing it rn

[deft peak]

we gooooodd

[stray furnace]

on steam

[deft peak]

and now the servers will crash with how many people are connecting

[runic scroll]

ok ill try now but

ITS WORKING

[safe nova]

why are they only like 4 full servers right now?

[runic scroll]

uncheck officials

btw what happened are we being ddosd by the squad

[analog apex]

it seems Steam is the only really working right now... as usual
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1443321406443098327/Screenshot_2025-11-26_202348.png?ex=6928a54e&is=692753ce&hm=c703a42bb36b0328c15b6cfdabb81913230b3243eb28db60f9567df5eaa01c6b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[safe nova]

i dont get it so HLL is just bugging roght now or what

[analog apex]

this now was not a maintenance, but an actual outage
unrelated

[cosmic pilot]

Causally not related

[river rover]

https://status.epicgames.com/ - this too could be causing other issues overall if there's another attack underway. 😉

[runic scroll]

now I feel free pm me for a squad (EU)

[deft linden]

is epic games working

[timid rampart]

we're so back

[crimson leaf]

Kinda

[umbral osprey]

Some servers aren't working for Epic and Xbox PC yet

[past vortex]

an epic outage so to speak :}

[ebon shard]

"This incident has been resolved". Yeah still can't access on Xbox PC 😂

[umbral osprey]

I still can't see the servers I usually play on while Steam people are able to play on them

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-you-gif-12132780510830100725

[sick blade]

I seem to have to install and uninstall the experimental branch on steam by checking the box in the options menu anytime I want to switch back and forth. Is this how it is, or am I doing something wrong?

[sick blade]

After 1,000 hours on Xbox PC, I made the switch to steam. It's only $13 on Steam right now. Just the rip the bandaid. the game runs better over here.

[umbral osprey]

I just really don't want to level up again or do tedious bob the builder stuff. I don't get to play often. I'd do it if they let us transfer account progress

I started playing the game a year ago when I got Game Pass to try out some new games and then I ended up buying the game there

Don't understand why they don't make this a thing. People would buy the game multiple times, how is this not good for everyone

Obviously people kinda deserve their money back if they have to buy the game multiple times to get optimal performance, but people would let it slide

[hazy owl]

Any mention when is U19 coming out?

[cosmic pilot]

did you know, you can eat 100% of an apple

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[oak current]

I think December was mentioned a few times at this point.

[slate canopy]

I believe December is the planned

[nova pivot]

When roadmap

[hazy owl]

I suppose there will be another experimental branch update this Friday so we can see how far they are with the game

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-confused-john-travolta-gif-16946746

Neva

[nova pivot]

Game is cooked

[cosmic pilot]

Cooking with gas

[weary vine]

I wish i could blacklist servers

[cosmic pilot]

A hereby award you a star ⭐ for a legitimate wish

[weary vine]

Seriously, between servers that have like every slot VIP and others with dumb rules it just makes me wonder why there's not a personal blacklist

[stoic garnet]

There’s a whitelist. Favorite the servers you like and use that view

[weary vine]

Yeah i use it

[raw halo]

https://tenor.com/view/ww2-meme-germany-deutschland-hellletloose-gif-9483108126992195665

[fringe hollow]

What kind of stupid rules? I assumed most servers were cookie cutter "don't be racist, don't troll, etc"

[weary vine]

Being able to do locked solo squads with just and SL

[pale vapor]

this game desperatly needs an audio buff. After coming back to this game from reforger spearhead the guns sound comically low. a gun shot should be deafening. it should pearce your ear and drown out every single thing around you. you should not be able to talk and shoot at the same time

gun sounds need to be 10x louder

[cosmic pilot]

you need a hearing buff

https://tenor.com/view/hearing-aid-deaf-cindy-klink-input-hörgerät-gif-24860962

[pale vapor]

there needs some kind of war tapes mode

[cosmic pilot]

they should add the pacific to hell let loose

[weary vine]

It's called getting a pair of terrible speakers from your local bazaar

[fringe hollow]

Speaking of low audio, I've always thought local chat wasn't loud enough / didn't reach far enough

[cosmic pilot]

it reaches 50m, but it has an aggressive fade to it for distant talking

[pale vapor]

irl youre not hearing people or talking when shooting a gun lmao

[fringe hollow]

need to be either inside each other or it be dead silent to hear anyone, even at max volume

[pale vapor]

footsteps are also very very low sound

[fringe hollow]

Doesn't feel like it sometimes. Like I said, unless I'm inside a guy physically (yes) it's basically impossible to tell what he said. Either that or yell so it picks up clearly

[pale vapor]

were shooting guns not airsoft rifles

[fringe hollow]

I felt footsteps are loud enough tbh. I also tweak every sound I could to get clear audio

I also soundwhore a lot

[pale vapor]

the sounds are good.. it just needs to be 10x louder. especially the gunshots

[umbral osprey]

Indeed, way too hard to hear people a lot of the time. They can learn something from the Arc Raiders prox chat. It's incredible there

[fringe hollow]

Maybe tone down the fade just a little. After 10 steps it's just charlie brown adults to me

[pale vapor]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3EMvUV0S38M&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD

for example this is what it should sound like. This is what real war sounds like

It scares the sht out of you irl

[cosmic pilot]

NO SOLICITATION

strictly ❌ ❌

[pale vapor]

its an example not an ad

[cosmic pilot]

oops one too many x's

[fringe hollow]

As much as I would love war tapes audio, that needs to be recorded and who do you think would record live fire from every weapon in the game? T17? HA

[cosmic pilot]

Look at all these fancy optics we give the modern soldier just so he can blind fire to waste ammunition.

[fringe hollow]

isn't the rounds fired to enemies killed ratio crazy high in every armed conflict to date?

[cosmic pilot]

i unironically beleive that the us army's switch to full power rifle rounds at the expense of less ammo is actually probably the correct decision

[fringe hollow]

less ammo means soldiers won't waste as much or they're in it deep. Better trigger discipline plus heavier hitting round. makes perfect sense

[cosmic pilot]

yes, but the proportion of casualties caused by small arms is also probably understated

"artillery causes the most casualties" is overstated

[fringe hollow]

I still think it's crazy high, even if every single combatant was counted on both sides. If you wait for that perfect one shot one kill, the enemy unloading HELL at you will probably hit you first

plus rounds aren't always fired to kill, lots of times it's to keep the enemy heads down so your team can move or some other tactic

[cosmic pilot]

yes, which segues into my suggestion to improve suppression in hll

i'll give you the short version

[pale vapor]

irl youre taking 13+ mags to battle irl dudes just shoot at the direction of the enemy to supress

[fringe hollow]

Irl you also have an actual army's worth of soldiers so mass fire actually works

It could work well in game too but too many people are afraid to give away their position like they haven't been running the same line for the last 20 minutes

[pale vapor]

an ultra hardcore realism mode would really revive this game and get it popping

No hud, no friendlys on map, no friendly floating name tags, just using your eyes like irl, gunshots terrifying loud and drown out everything else(just increase the audio) and you got a terrifying intense realistic game mode

[cosmic pilot]

purpose: get people to shoot more
visual aspect: reduce situational awareness to the periphery by decreasing fov when under the effects of suppression (better at identifying somone shooting infront of you, at the expense of seeing less to the sides/flank)
screen effects communicate the direction of enemy fire
contextually increases the difficulty of aiming
being near teammates increases the rate at which you recover from suppression
being near friendly fortifications decreases the cap of suppression
someone dying next to you greatly increases suppression (rewards accurate suppression fire)
effects should contextually linger for a long enough time to be impactful, must follow consistent behavior

[fringe hollow]

I would love this but I also understand it would be incredibly niche. Most people play games because they are games. If people wanted hyper realism milsim stuff, Arma always exists

[cosmic pilot]

#BringBackOldSuppression

[fringe hollow]

Directional suppression sounds interesting enough. I can imagine people being able to abuse it though by flicking to the exact direction and unloading

[cosmic pilot]

they could do that, but the chance of actually hitting anything would be low

meaning the firefight gets dragged out

[fringe hollow]

Friendlies dying and fortifications changing suppression also sounds very cool. More small mechanics to give the firefights life

[cosmic pilot]

longer firefight, more time in action, more shooting, more gooder

[thin lotus]

and now the gamer response(s)
"why does my camera shake"
"why does my vision get blurry"
"why is my gun less accurate now"
"why dont i understand the concept of fearing death to be simulated in a videogame"

[fringe hollow]

more gooder 😂

[fringe hollow]

If someone is playing a shooter and is asking these, they have a handicap mentally. I'm sorry that's just it. Suppression has been a very well known mechanic even if it's not in every shooter.

[pale vapor]

thats why its a game mode… a seperate game mode

[fringe hollow]

tbf though reforger doesn't have suppression. The bullets cracking overhead or around you forces you to actually listen to the sounds and think "oh no! let's take cover"

[cosmic pilot]

the downside to mechanics like these is it's very difficult in hll to commincate these effect through the game, instead they must be commincated through word of mouth

[pale vapor]

i havent been in hll in 5 months did they remove supression?

[cosmic pilot]

for example, it may or may not still be a mechanic that being near a medic reduces suppression currently

it's impossible to know if the devs removed it by accident silently

[fringe hollow]

All the more reason to read the combat manual. Learn the game you're playing, don't just wing it and expect to do good because you're a "COD movement king" or some other made up title

[pale vapor]

the spearhead server does and thats really the only true war game out there. The sounds make u scared irl. The sounds give a supression of their own as well. Literally gets my hear racing and blood pumping

[cosmic pilot]

the only thing i can really think of is if they had an option to turn on in environment hints

one of those annoying bubble and line to text interfaces

[fringe hollow]

Oh hints! when suppressed, have it pop up explaining very quickly how it works.

unless people just skip past it instantly or turn them off, people will find out hopefully

[cosmic pilot]

mfw, i'm in a firefight but i gotta read

[fringe hollow]

happens to every new player. Hints are a curse but it taught me to play

[cosmic pilot]

this generation is spoiled by ssds that load instantly so they don't have time to read the hints while the map is loading 😂

[fringe hollow]

it also only happens the first time and doesn't show up again (if you hit the dismiss button)

[fringe hollow]

I always want to google the loading screen hints for every game. Some funny ones exist like War Thunder "Use your binoculars (B) it's free!"

and now back to work 🙃

[cosmic pilot]

i would play HLL, but i've been following current events too closely and stuff like this makes me depressed (we lost within 15min of the screenshot being taken)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558719334130647051/1440541384263073934/20251118213247_1.jpg?ex=69286b75&is=692719f5&hm=16e1904cf7eeff07040564059648f1dc3065621ab9b58a5f72acefab2dc00887&

[obtuse dragon]

buff supression 🗣️ 🔥

dude i love hll

the game crashed and all of my settings and cosmetics went back to default 😭

[fringe hollow]

First time?

[paper heath]

WHAT THE HELL HAVE YALL DONE TO THE AT ROCKET CLASSSSSS

[fringe hollow]

I ate the Panzerfaust. The germans are now no longer stronger

[obtuse dragon]

third time

[fringe hollow]

sorry I meant

[paper heath]

I PUT 4 ROCKETS IN THE BUTT of a Panther and NOTHING

[obtuse dragon]

The PZF era is gone, the ATR era is coming

[fringe hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[paper heath]

The only way to take out a tank now is Rocket tracks and Satchel

[fringe hollow]

I don't remember how, but your settings can be saved and then pasted in the files. Cosmetics is just an L on T17

[fringe hollow]

So, teamwork? Are you upset that a solo can no longer just clap a tank?

I actually like the idea that you need to track/engine a tank before being able to satchel. Mobility kill should always come before total kill

[paper heath]

Ok but 4 rockets should destroy regardless it had 0 neutralization

[fringe hollow]

two rockets to the back is 100% engine kill on every tank (if they pen and hit reg likes you)

[paper heath]

Ya so 4 in the butt. And it was rolling like nothing happened

[obtuse dragon]

you might have hit the back part of the tracks if you weren't able to blow up the thank with 4

because, as far as i know, 4 was the max amount the engine can survive on a heavy tank since the last update

[paper heath]

All I’m saying is I never had this problem until today.

[fringe hollow]

The funny little green symbol next to your name shows why. Xbox and console for that matter seems to have problems with hit reg. I'm sorry that's happening and I really hope it's resolved

Kind of silly how they mess up gameplay for a large portion of their playerbase and don't focus on fixing it

[fringe hollow]

Which tank were you hitting? Are you sure it wasn't catching one of the weird spots that just ignore rockets?

[obtuse dragon]

and they still haven't fixed the flying piece of metal on the DAK support class when using the 90. leichte

literally unplayable

[fringe hollow]

Cute SL and Support couple

Menacing and evil floating metal

[obtuse dragon]

ngl it's so specific that at this point it sounds on purpose

"when using the paid DLC on the afrika corps while you use the flamethrower on the support class you'll see a flying piece of metal"

[fringe hollow]

would be amazing if they just changed the color. Bright missing texture purple sounds good

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/missing-texture-garry's-mod-source-gif-12738020389788137714

[fringe hollow]

perfect

[woven lynx]

😏

[void sinew]

this game fire i've been missing out

[misty belfry]

Promoting Ca$h Royale or any other consumer farming product gotta be against the rules surely 😂

[graceful solstice]

consantly loosing connection to host, are they gonna fix?

[stoic garnet]

These steps fixed this issue for me https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/1ob0zyi/lost_connection_and_fatal_error_heres_the_fix/

[arctic rampart]

10 months of not playing HLL. Legit nothing's changed xd

People still don't comm, still trash, still bob the buildering with 0 gameplay experience

[arctic rampart]

@valid meteor That guy with the crashing legit just shi posted "i crash = game bad".
Absolutely pointless post. Could've just done a bug report and give his system specs and the ue4 crash log.
If he didn't know how to do that, 1000euro says that support would tell him how to get them and submit them.

[misty belfry]

I had to wire to the modem in my last house, may or may not apply to you

[marsh mountain]

why you can't cap HLL to 30 fps?

[woven lynx]

cus 30fps in 2026 is ridiculous

have you played 30fps woods

man out of everything console players have accomplished why is 30fps still accepted

ts is wild

and companies gonna be gooning in money when they realise gta vi comes out in 30fps but still made a billion dollars in the first hour and they can do ts too

[marsh mountain]

i cut everything to 30 fps in pc because 60 fps is a capitalism lie, 30 is the correct as we played back in 360 gen

the best game ever made RDR2 is 30 fps and is perfect

[arctic rampart]

"capitalism lie" kekw

[cyan saddle]

I swore for years that I didn't need 144hz

Then I got 144hz

I refuse to play shooter games on 60hz since

[past veldt]

114Hz Blood on the clocktower goes hard

[cyan saddle]

Usually when I play BotC I'm playing at 60Hz

It's why I miss my slayer shot sometimes

[woven lynx]

😂😂😂

[marsh mountain]

I can't take you seriously with your profile pic

[woven lynx]

i get you’re mad, you miss the 360 days when you had no responsibilities, and now you try to feel good in that nostalgia by reliving it. sadly, over the last 20 years, 20 years have gone by. and games are not 30fps anymore.

but hey, if 30fps is peak performance to you, so be it, some people never outgrow their first consoles.

[thin scarab]

Damn 30fps, stop living in the Past…

[main harness]

Just checking in, are we still going with the awful SPA idea?

[finite berry]

Yes, I think so

[past vortex]

from u18 we know that when they spent work on it then it will release no matter what :}

[balmy yacht]

Thank you @fluid pawn for the Steam key and @deft peak for the clip. And also the HLL community for voting on my clip 🙂

[smoky urchin]

We don't know is the answer to it,
Currently we have a post https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1441151974346199040 in experimental branch feedback that's garnered more support then any other feedback post I've seen, it's not a done deal until they push this into the live branch. So if you've not voted on it, go do so, more people, more weight behind this.

[fringe hollow]

Oh that's funny. You think a player initiated vote in a suggestions channel will mean anything when they've already modeled, remodeled (kv-2), and tweaked the SPA over 3-4 experimental updates.

Mortars also got crazy amounts of attention, I don't see them

[woven lynx]

are there at least 3 examples where suggestions changed something that you can think of ?

[worthy charm]

Changed maybe, but not even close to what the "vote" is suggesting

[fringe hollow]

the changes I've seen from suggestions have always been somewhat low effort compared to things like adding mortars or totally reworking the already planned rework for the static artillery which isn't even reworked, just slightly changed and still existing

[woven lynx]

😔

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-there's-nothing-we-can-do-napoleon-pyritesian-gif-17490332095914688011

[fringe hollow]

pensive face indeed my friend

[worthy charm]

Just assume nothing and everything can happen

Just not what you expect :}

-# or want

[fringe hollow]

if you believe hard enough, you too can have Napoleon Syndrome

So why can't the bazooka pen the side of anything when it was capable of 80mm in it's first iteration and 127mm once we got the Super Bazooka?

[woven lynx]

“expect the unexpected” or smth

this is in my experience such a rarely applicable quote

[lament jasper]

How do I get the symboles of the game in my name

[novel geyser]

channels and roles
Should be at the top of the channels list

[cosmic pilot]

Mortars are low effort though.
It's the same thing as a buildable at gun

[lament jasper]

Thanks man

[cosmic pilot]

You don't have to make any new system for it

[smoky urchin]

Not sure what is with this weird aggressive reply to me, but here's the thing, what you just talked about literally has no bearing on what the suggestion is, which is number changes, of course a possible rework to the firing mechanic itself and the one point about your mortar thing, they're not modelled or even a sign of them, these have been and are in the game working, so it's more likely to have these reclassified as the intended role.

I appreciate your input though.

[river rover]

https://tenor.com/view/thanksgivinglove-gif-12264095665170612415

[fringe hollow]

But we actually want it so obviously we won't be getting it

[fringe hollow]

Didn't mean to be aggressive to you. I meant it as a jab at T17 not caring what the community wants half the time.

[fervent dagger]

Well it would be a load of art assets needed, that’s for sure

[fringe hollow]

I'd be willing to learn graphic design and do it for free if they would just add them

[sturdy crystal]

I'm getting an "authentication timed out" error when streaming the game from my PC to my Steam Deck. Seems weird because that's typically an anti cheat problem. I don't get it on my PC I'm streaming from.

[cosmic pilot]

They had time to make what, 5 new entire vehicles, they could make 5 new tube that are a fraction of the complexity to model .

A skilled modeler could probably have one done in an hour

[smoky urchin]

I'll tell you why I'm pushing this as I am across all mediums is because this is the first time they really have pushed the boat with communication, here and behind the scenes with community leaders. So with that said after seeing that change I'm actually going to hold them to their word on listening and responding to our feedback and if we don't try then we'll see nothing out of it.

People can be mad about the past and such and I think we should give them this opportunity to address our concerns and considering my post has the most feedback by a mile compared to any other previous feedback posts, shows it resonates with the community, albeit we're a small sample, because not everyone goes to Reddit, Discord, Twitter, etc etc however this is probably their biggest sample to date at least publicly in this discord.

So with that said I'm happy for people to share it, to vote they don't care either way, vote it to stay as same or vote for the changes I put forward, this is all feedback for T17, good or bad I don't mind what stance you fall on it.

[fringe hollow]

I've already voted that I want the change if they insist on pushing these new vehicles. Unfortunately, that would cut the "rework" of artillery by a large amount of force them to do something else which I seriously doubt they would do.

[whole marten]

why are we adding new vehicles when teh current vehicles have massive, MASSIVE problems?

[fringe hollow]

artillery rework

people complained about arty recon loop so they made it an arty recon loop but every HQ, and then gave recons and lights something to bully constantly

[whole marten]

i think you're missing my point

[cosmic pilot]

Because having more toys is good

[smoky urchin]

At least we tried, it's either going to reinforce peoples opinions T17 don't care or they're going to meet us half way, end of the day as I stated they have changed I can attest to this as one of the community leaders myself so time will tell.

[fringe hollow]

No, I get the point. I'm stating why they are adding new vehicles

[whole marten]

having more toys is great when all your toys work

[cosmic pilot]

They do

[fringe hollow]

In which ways do current vehicles not work? Kinda wondering your opinion

[whole marten]

yup, they never flip upsidedown accidentally

and then are unrecoverable

[fringe hollow]

used to be a thing until it was fixed and then broken again

[cosmic pilot]

In my opinion, listening to the community when the devs have no spine to be true to their own vision will destroy the game by virtue of the community having terrible opinions.

[whole marten]

it was never fixed

true to what vision?

realism in an arcade shooter?

[fringe hollow]

I remember years ago hitting a tree slightly and flying in the air or just going upside down. That stopped happening until they changed speeds iirc

[whole marten]

you can still cause ejections to tanks via vehicles exploding on contact with each other

[fringe hollow]

tbf they "fixed" it by making most small trees have no collision for vehicles

[whole marten]

most small trees?

why not all? why not trees but some walls you can drive through and some you can't

[cosmic pilot]

It's not worth engaging with rusty in discussion

[fringe hollow]

because I don't think you should be able to drive straight through Yggdrasil or smt. Walls I agree but they should be destroyed when rolling over them (small walls, big ones should still stop)

[whole marten]

because I want some QA in the product I purchased?

or add a little fun maybe?

[smoky urchin]

Not every opinion is going to be good or bad but they can also take from what we would like and meet us half way. It's filtering through all that information which is no easy job it's own right, so good luck with that whoever's job that is.

I'm not going to talk bad about the devs, I do think communication has been mismanaged and sometimes things have been pushed that no one asked for, but as I said they're trying at this point and hopefully there can be some guidance to them to work with us and actually improve upon things.

[fringe hollow]

Explain. I dont understand

like if the tank explodes exactly the same time they touch another, live tank?

[whole marten]

if you put one tank on top of the other, say a stuart wearing a panther hat

and the panther explodes, it will eject the stuart via collision

[fringe hollow]

oh so if you abuse the engine and do things you shouldn't lmao

[whole marten]

what are you talking about

close combat is how stuart kills panther

[fringe hollow]

why in any case should you or would you put a stuart on top of a panther or any vehicle on another

[whole marten]

because it's a game with fog of war

[fringe hollow]

close combat and sitting on top as a hat are two totally different things

[whole marten]

and accidents happen

this isn't panther on stuart, it's stuart on panther - stuart gets under german tanks ezpz

[fringe hollow]

how tf do you accidentally put a whole light tank on a heavy and then kill the heavy while it's on there? I see what Nother meant

[whole marten]

if stuart jousts with panzer 2, the p2 can't do anything except die

no, you put the heavy on the light tank

[fringe hollow]

reread this. Stuart on panther

[whole marten]

what should the stuart do? not charge under the panther's gun?

[cosmic pilot]

It's hard to communicate when you have no spine.
Every meaningful change that was actually good for the game that suffered community backlash has been reverted, sabs rolling back an entire update (which is more a logistical concern over a design concern).

[deft peak]

It should flank behind the panther and shoot it twice in the engine to remove mobility abd hit it once mire for destruction

[fringe hollow]

Under the gun but stated "stuart on top like a hat" earlier. This conversation is just ragebait atp

[whole marten]

panther can't always be flanked, and sometimes you drive into danger by accident

[fringe hollow]

if you can't flank the panther, you die or don't engage. tf?

[deft peak]

Then again, im speaking of comp experience

[whole marten]

there's lots of situations - carentan for instance, you can accidentally end up in front of something nasty

[deft peak]

I say i say the man speaks the truth!

[deft peak]

You recogince you made a mistake by going to deep to fast without enough information and now need to pay the price

[whole marten]

i guess your comp experience invalidates my comp experience

pay what price? in some situations, you can get under the panther - especially when execution is lacking

[deft peak]

I can be sure of that since i stream the comp games.

[smoky urchin]

Most US vehicles can lift German tanks and win, Sherman can ram a Tiger from the front and then kill it with it's underbelly exposed.

[fringe hollow]

I hope they make it so you can't glitch under a vehicle. Shouldn't be able to do that ever

[whole marten]

ah, i see, your comp experience invalidates my comp experience because you stream

[fringe hollow]

but comp will always abuse exploits, glitches, bugs in the system, anything for a win

[whole marten]

come back when you kill a panther front on with m4 in a comp game

[fringe hollow]

last hits on a weak panther don't count

[whole marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HntznSUXZ1c****

[fringe horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanksgiving-autumn-leaves-orange-gif-11864193253624538829

[cosmic pilot]

What does this even imply.

[fringe hollow]

Lemme answer this. Your team didn't have info and you blindly rushed a road. You deserve to die in that case unless you can cut into a side road fast enough

[whole marten]

doesn't change the fact that wonky stuff happens with vehicles that should be addressed first

[deft peak]

I have seen that happen in a pub match, abd still got a clip of it

[fringe hollow]

does the base M4 get smoke shells? i dont remember

[deft peak]

Agree, but the winky stuff doesnt affect 90% of the player base and only like 1% on a regular basis

[deft peak]

It do

[fringe hollow]

alright, thought it was jumbo 75 only

[whole marten]

that clip is a comp game m4 v panther front on kill

[smoky urchin]

They do

[cosmic pilot]

Like penning the turret cheak with a 175 degree oblique shot

[fringe hollow]

already hurt panther, and it wasn't paying attention. Good kill but not what I would call amazing

[smoky urchin]

Smoke is underused because it takes too long to load these things, if they had a shorter load them, it could be used to mask themselves or blind the enemy tank to possibly escape a situation, which would be fine considering their weakness to frontal attacks from AT infantry of the german faction.

[fringe hollow]

I tend to use smokes to pre blind spots I expect enemies to be so I can push. It's give or take on using it reactively. Main reason smoke grenade launchers were and still are a thing

[whole marten]

smoke is super good in offensive mode

but since they took away the ability to kill front on through tracks, it's not as useful in warfare

[fringe hollow]

front on through tracks?

[smoky urchin]

Smoke has so much use, but in a situation you want to blind an enemy tank to confuse crew and gain an upper hand it's just not possible, On top of that tracking tanks means nothing when their chassis rotation is still pretty damn good.

If all tanks got the IS1 gear 1 treatment, they'd not be able to turn on a dime when tracked and locked into Gear 1. Allowing for a vehicle to flank and take on a win in an interesting game of cat and mouse.

[main harness]

Smoke is useless. Any good crew will kill you if you use smoke.

[fringe hollow]

smoke's only really useful if you intend to use it and have the advantage. If you need to reactively use it, it takes too much time

[smoky urchin]

Exactly, the reload on the smoke should be halved.

[cosmic pilot]

wut

[main harness]

The only use for smoke is for direct impact killing filthy infantry bushwookies.

[fringe hollow]

not sure how to feel about that tbh. it wouldn't make sense since it's still a shell in the same gun.

[fringe hollow]

lemme ask again, frontally through tracks?

[smoky urchin]

From a gameplay design it makes sense, it's a non combative round, there's no real reason to not have it's reload reduced, it's not like you can load a smoke then load a AP round to gain a win since the original time for the AP round would take it's original time to load. It's just giving the Sherman that utility it has to compensate for it's frontal weaker armour.

[fringe hollow]

I can understand from a gameplay perspective but I still like historical accuracy. I would assume you would have smoke loaded already when engaging. Even if the smoke load time is reduced, if you load it in the middle of combat, chances are it wouldn't do much since the enemy already has sights on you

Now you just have one less round from you sent against the enemy while they just fire again

[cosmic pilot]

it doesn't make sense from a gameplay sense

by what mechanism, can you explain that it should reload twice as fast

[smoky urchin]

The fact is from a historical point of view, the Sherman used smoke, in the game how many times do you see someone using the utility of that vehicle, everyone pretty much ignores it, because it takes too long to use it. I'd rather have it reduced time and have it's utility side of that vehicle be used just as much as it's offensive capabilities.

[fringe hollow]

gameplay. Which is why I stated historical accuracy

[cosmic pilot]

missing the point, gameplay is the end result, not the mechanism that causes it to happen

[fringe hollow]

the numbers in the code being reduced? 😂

I get what you mean. A 75mm shell loaded into a 75mm gun wouldn't suddenly reduce in load time because it's a different type

[cosmic pilot]

this is correct, which means it's would be an arbitrary mechanism

[lucid gazelle]

Is the tank gameplay any more in depth yet or still basic?

[fringe hollow]

Jorvik is looking past that and thinking only in gameplay, which I can understand but still don't agree with

[cosmic pilot]

there would be some slight difference if the smoke round was lighter, but realistically not a noticable difference unless it was twice as light

[fringe hollow]

define in depth. Moduales like warthunder? never

[whole marten]

in a much older version of HLL you could kill tanks through track hits - you can still do it, but there are conditions now

[lucid gazelle]

Yeah I'd want that level of detail ngl

[fringe hollow]

sounds quite stupid. Hitting the track doesnt hit the hull, the main part where the crew are. If you hit only track it should only kill track

[whole marten]

if it was an already hurt panther, then it wouldn't take 3 turret rounds to kill it

[smoky urchin]

I get told I look at historical and now gamplay. I take from both and you got to understand this is also a game, the thing you need to ask yourself as a player or majority. If I have multiple shells and they all load at the exact same time, would I use the non offensive shell or the offensive shell that's going to get me a kill in a situation. The answer is AP all the time!

[fringe hollow]

warthunder or S44. HLL isn't in depth enough and never will be. It makes it milsim like and more niche

[whole marten]

2 turrets kill the turret and damage the hull, 3 turret hit kills the tank via hull damage

[fringe hollow]

I would like it too but eh

[whole marten]

stupid is precisely what vehicle combat in HLL is

[fringe hollow]

yes, which is why smoke isn't used combatively and should be preemptive or planned out.

[fringe hollow]

the tank was smoking and sparking. Could have been from the tracks but still. Turret is intact, it damages turret first and then the hull. The medium doesn't do as much damage so it makes sense it would take 3 rounds to kill

[smoky urchin]

If smoke had reduced loading time, it would be used more and it would have it's uses and make for interesting gameplay, have you ever seen a Sherman support a heavy to smoke an enemy heavy tank to maybe give it's advantage. I understand where you're coming from, but at same time wouldn't you like more utility to be used from that vehicle as well.

[whole marten]

it's not about making sense, its about you not really having any understanding of the game you're talking about

[fringe hollow]

More utility would be giving smoke grenade launchers to tanks.

[whole marten]

there are very precise things to know in HLL that you just don't - very few people care to learn - even the devs don't know what the heck their game is actually about

[smoky urchin]

That is an option but we're not there yet so this is a solution to have that utility, otherwise it's an overlooked tool that no one uses for reasons I've said above.

[whole marten]

every medium that can turret penetrate heavies require 3 turret hits to kill

the panther looks damaged because it has track damage

track damage or hull damage makes no difference graphically when looking at the tank - the observer can't tell precisely what is damaged, just that it is damaged

[fringe hollow]

I understand what you mean and why. I'm just on the side that im sure a bunch of people would also be on. It doesn't make sense from a historical or realistic standpoint. I'm not shooting you down, just giving my reasons

[whole marten]

i would LOVE for smoke to be useful

but it's just not

especially for warfare

in offensive, american smoke is pretty fun, but most of the time, it's not particularly useful

[smoky urchin]

I mean you have infantry spawning at best 11 seconds otherwise 20 seconds who can keep returning to kill a tank and relay info. A dead soldier can't come back to fight you again and a dead soldier can't relay info to his team. I think giving shermans the utilty to use a smoke shell in less time isn't breaking the game.

[finite berry]

I don't think that will ever happen, and definitely not anytime soon, haha

[past vortex]

they have no idea about the game they are tampering with

nothing good will ever happen

[whole marten]

the clarion call that they don't know what they're doing is when they gave infantry warp speed

they fundamentally misunderstand the core game concepts

[past vortex]

its even worse

[whole marten]

now it's BIG GUN SHOOT OL

but what until spgs start flipping over rocks

whoops, 8000 fuel lost to terrain

[past vortex]

they are not gamers, they dont even understand that a game has concepts and that people will want to play tactiacal etc

[whole marten]

there's your realism

imagine sitting in an m4 on a hill and bombing an objective from 800+m

which is precisely what SPGs are planned to do

tanks could already do it

[cosmic pilot]

have you thought about suggesting the duration of the smoke round be increased

[whole marten]

that would be awesome, but i don't think that fixes the problem

[cosmic pilot]

doesn't it

[whole marten]

well it comes down to what's the fundamental purpose of tanks in HLL - to take/hold objectives in an impervious shell (vs artillery)

[cosmic pilot]

ah, no

[smoky urchin]

Arty can kill a tank though

[whole marten]

sure, assuming the tank has previous damage, yes

but you still need to get tickets on the cap

[cosmic pilot]

the fundamental purpose of tanks is to conduct breakthrough, but there are admittedly a lot of things hampering the ability of tanks to do that, but since U18 they're better at it

[whole marten]

you and are are talking abotu different things

i'm talking about the fundamentals of tanks in HLL, full stop

[cosmic pilot]

mhm

[cosmic pilot]

me too

[whole marten]

the most important thing you can do is put tickets on the cap

[cosmic pilot]

the most important thing you can do is percipitate the collapse of the enemy through the destruction of spawn points

[fringe hollow]

Was it not that excess damage to the turret would not carry over to the hull until the turret was fully destroyed before U18?

If it did, someone taught me wrong and I was incorrect

[whole marten]

depends on the damage, and the update patch

[fringe hollow]

2 years ago when your video was posted

[cosmic pilot]

tanks have the unique ability to attack the full depth of the map through speed

[whole marten]

yeah, i used to play comp

the game hasn't changed - still cheaters, still fundamentally the same

[cosmic pilot]

only using heavy tanks to camp a defensive position is a waste of potential

[whole marten]

what is more important than tickets on the cap

if we can't see eye to eye on this issue, we are playing different games

[cosmic pilot]

the most important thing you can do is percipitate the collapse of the enemy through the destruction of spawn points

[whole marten]

that doesn't cause the cap

[smoky urchin]

Map control and people on the cap, it's both.

[whole marten]

tickets have to be on the objective, even if the enemy can't spawn there

they can still hold it if you're not in the circle

[fringe hollow]

you gain the cap by reducing the enemies. Reduce the enemies by making sure they can't come back to contest you on the cap

I.E. spawns

[whole marten]

you need to reduce less enemies if you hold the cap

more tickets = less reduction necessary

[fringe hollow]

if you hold the cap, they are attacking and you, defending. The scenario changes slightly

in that case, control your area around the cap and they can't contest

[whole marten]

either way, tickets control the objective - whether attackign or "defending"

[cosmic pilot]

the less enemies in the four grid the less infantry you need in the hardcap to secure it, the more economical use of force

[smoky urchin]

It's literally both, this game is a strategy game first, shooter second.

[cosmic pilot]

otherway around

[fringe hollow]

yes but the primary way to reduce tickets on cap is to not let them get there in the first place. It leads back to spawns

[cosmic pilot]

strategy in this game does not help you if you cannot shoot

[smoky urchin]

No, the point of map control is spawns, we can agree to disagree on this.

[whole marten]

application of force is important, but having tickets on the objective is paramount

[smoky urchin]

Literally allowing bodies to spawn around the map creates pressure in some form or another, very linear thinking if you're thinking this is a shooter first.

[whole marten]

you can't take an objective without having tickets on it

[cosmic pilot]

it does not matter if the enemy can outshoot your entire team. If they can, they have freedom of manuever because once they get where they want to be, they'll just kill you. Your positioning will not help in this case.

[fringe hollow]

yes, having more people than the enemy is correct but you can't simply win by having more than them. The numbers are the same on each team

[smoky urchin]

Positioning, and map control is key to this game. I've seen some comp players come in get dozen kills their impact was minimal, since they're just focusing on a certain aspect of it.

[cosmic pilot]

it's a shooter first, strategy second.
Strategy is only impactfull when the shooting ability of both teams is comparable

[smoky urchin]

Yea, I'm not going around in circles with you, if that's your opinion then keep it.

[whole marten]

you can win entire games without shooting

you can't win games without capping

it's just facts

[fringe hollow]

can we agree that you should use strategy to get to being able to shoot the enemy? It seems that both are equally important. Position means nothing if you don't kill and killing means nothing if you're in the middle of nowhere

[smoky urchin]

I don't understand you rusty, you're right but you're also needing map control and spawns to allow you do it.

[fringe hollow]

stalemate, no one caps for and hour and a half

[cosmic pilot]

"moving to the next hardcap" is not what i'd called strategy, but basic player instinct.

[whole marten]

just pointing out to the "shooter first" that it's not shooting that's most important

[smoky urchin]

It's literally both, it's not one or the other it's both. I'm not sure what we're talking about here anymore.

[whole marten]

it's objectives

[fringe hollow]

that's not strategy. I mean strategy as in "the enemy has a line here so lets attack over there where there isn't anyone

[smoky urchin]

Which you need map control

[whole marten]

it doesn't matter either way

[fringe hollow]

much more indepth but thats the gist

[whole marten]

noone who is playing HLL has any idea what they're doing

[cosmic pilot]

"run to the next objective and shoot however you see" will win you the game if you are better at shooting then the other team. It is not what i'd call a strategy.

[fringe hollow]

if your team is better at gameplay, yes you'll win more but what are the odds all 50 players are Shroud of HLL?

[smoky urchin]

You guys have a good day, I'm out of this now. I'd rather not live a life of an Ouroboros

[fringe hollow]

if you, alone, go in and kill 7 people. You did 700% damage vs them killing you but you still die because they out number you

[cosmic pilot]

how many lop sided games do you experience?
it's much higher than you think

[fringe hollow]

Almost all of them because after seeding, the good players leave and it's a mess of randoms. I don't play comp because studying a game made for fun sounds boring

[cosmic pilot]

where's chum when i need him to agree with me

happy thanks giving btw

[whole marten]

lol the good players left HLL years ago

[fringe hollow]

no happiness here. I work in an hour

[livid saffron]

Is it me are the official servers dead

I remember a couple years ago when they were all full on PC

[past vortex]

you cant play on official
no moderation at all

[livid saffron]

Yes grievers, teamkillers, peanut brain players

no one defends

[woven lynx]

without work, you wouldn’t be able to appreciate 11 beers and music 😉

[river rover]

What people don't realize they can probably get far more experience by playing defense. This game is unlike others where you get tons of points or experience just for capping.

[livid saffron]

this game didnt educate new players on the game modes

too well

they think its a death match

[deft peak]

I thought you were a comp player? Maybe div 7?

[whole marten]

used to be, i don't play comp anymore

[whole marten]

if you're defending, you're losing

[river rover]

Other games are about capture the flag or take territories. You then get thousands of points for doing so. Which means everyone has that keep moving mentality. Sure you can steamroll, fine. If you always play one or the other meaning offense or defense you get far more kills while on defense than you'd ever get on offense because why? Everyone is playing offense. 😉

[whole marten]

you cannot win by only defending objectives

you must attack

[past vortex]

dfense means attacking the attack

[whole marten]

no, defense means defense

[past vortex]

not in hll

[whole marten]

the best defense is a good offense

[river rover]

Not true. You take the amount of zones for the win and then play defense. Take one extra zone over the winning zone then play defense and rack up astronomical experience. This holds true for all classes.

[past vortex]

no
its map contral

[whole marten]

nah, it's tickets on the point

[cosmic pilot]

based

[past vortex]

sitting on the point never works

[whole marten]

you can't win without tickets on objectives

[river rover]

You can be downed and collect the same amount of points regardless of being on offense or defense toward wherever it is you are located.

[past vortex]

you dont even need people on the point if you make sure the enemy doesnt get there

[woven lynx]

wait a min

[trail scroll]

Hi

[past vortex]

omfg more kedo alts

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-argument-gif-14638229200290099825

[river rover]

I personally while playing never give up. My goal in games is to never die if possible. I usually in the end have the best squad and myself the best player. That is when I was playing daily. My squad was also usually the top 3 available items.

[woven lynx]

almost as if playing a “mil-sim” realistically is rewarding sometimes 😏

[whole marten]

sure but you need people on their point

for ticket application

and especially in the opening, you can't take the objective without applying tickets

best player, what does that even mean

[river rover]

You don't have to be in the circle - you can be anywhere in the 4 square area around that circle unless you are playing the mode where you HAVE to be in the circle.

[whole marten]

tickets are amplified in the circle

[analog helm]

did try. Not working, zoom is on the mouse cursor. Not usable. Otherwise it would have been great (and criminal)

[livid saffron]

Are we going to get any updates before Christmas?

[river rover]

My guess but only my opinion U19 might make it before then.

[fading delta]

Why do my Barracks always get Reset after Updates? It's actually so tiring going through them all and reapplying them. Have the devs said anything about this?

[river rover]

You can save off your ini files from Saved folder and paste them back into place.

input.ini and gameusersettings.ini

[fading delta]

Ugh painful, alrighty thank you!

[river rover]

Of course you'd want to do that after you've configured everything. You can go in and see if there are .bak of them there and possibly rename them to .ini. I'd check within the files if it has the proper settings first though. 😉

[livid saffron]

Yesh the Smolensk map before Christmas

[livid saffron]

Do you also get reset in your settings everyday

[arctic rampart]

You can get around that issue

[fading delta]

nah just the skins

[fading delta]

which pathway is this? C drive or Installed folder?

[river rover]

%localappdata%\HLL\Saved\Config\WindowsNoEditor

That is if on Steam.

So in my case you can see the .bak one. Open with notepad and see if it has all the proper settings. You might be able to call the .ini like .old and then remove the .bak and enter game and see if it's the right settings returned.

[fading delta]

i dunno where %localappdata% is ngl

[river rover]

Usually Windows updates and other factors can make the files "Read Only" you DO NOT want to have that as the case.

you just plug it into run

[heady hornet]

If you try to play 80+ minutes only defense, you are not allowed to make a singular mistake or you will lose the game. HLL is all about momentum and pressure and the team that attacks is most of the time the team that has those.

[fading delta]

found it thank you, seems like all the old saves are gone so i'll have to redo

[river rover]

It's a hidden folder unless you have your "Explorer" showing hidden files and folders. 😉

[fading delta]

nah nothing hidden either

[river rover]

No, just stating that the folder is hidden otherwise if you don't have the path I gave above or explorer set up to show hidden. 😉

[fading delta]

ohhh i get you

[stuck skiff]

Happy Turkey Day those who celebrate!

[silk igloo]

9 out of 10 times a point is lost because there's too many attackers in irrelevant places. The last one is the rare case when there's too much defense

[glossy echo]

I just got HLL on PC

[vernal jetty]

Anyone of you know a James Ryan?

From Iowa?

[visual niche]

Jimmy Ryan?

[pale vapor]

we done had an entire decade of hyper arcadey looney toon games people are bored of them now

The pendulum is swinging back to hyper realistic

Hll devs can either take advantage of this or get left behind in the dust

[trail raven]

When is the new map officially coming out?

[finite berry]

December

[trail raven]

Is there an exact date or nah?

[river rover]

Not known yet.

[obtuse dragon]

i think mid december

[trail raven]

Alr

[livid saffron]

Do you think its unrealistic we will ever get mortars under the current unreal engine this game uses

[cosmic pilot]

no

[obtuse dragon]

Nah

[heady hornet]

Which wasnt the point that was made. It was said, that NO attack is needed. Which is just plain wrong.

[obtuse dragon]

something unrealistic would be... horses

and a gore system that doesn't turn your entire body into a red mess instead of just losing a single leg

seriously hll needs a body part based gore system

[livid saffron]

I dont think we will ever get mortars ever

I hope someone in the future does a better job with the game experience but I am happy to play this game

[obtuse dragon]

i mean, we technically got them with the new commander arty strike

[finite berry]

That's not mortars, tho

[livid saffron]

This game has not nailed the Band of Brothers Battle of the Bulge experience or counter offensive of Foy famously where Spears was promoted

[silk igloo]

No need to attack the enemys point, only their players and spawns around your objective. Counts as defense to me. (but it'd be boring)

[worthy charm]

Its a reskinned rocket strike :}

Also i didnt read anything of the attack/defense the point dicussion

but as I learned after 1k hours playing the game the green dots on the map attack and the blue dots defend.

[obtuse dragon]

Well, tbh

If they add mortars they would be insanely weak or insanely strong depending on the way they're handled

If they receive the "enlisted treatment" people would just spam it with 3 explosive ammo boxes from a hiding spot

Basically, it would be unfun to go against and a spam click simulator to win points

You found the guy with the mortar and killed him? Too bad, now he's going to Respawn in less than a minute with full ammo

Atleast the HQ arty drains resources from the TL, But a mortar? You can just replenish the ammo over and over again and redeploy if you can't get more

HQ arty+mortars would be a nightmare to go against

[livid saffron]

So then use artillery command

[livid saffron]

would give recon a run from their money

[obtuse dragon]

Why would you use that option when you have mortars that don't waste resources and another one that only wastes 3 per shot?

[obtuse dragon]

If we assume that the Max Mortar range Is toned down from the IRL mortars (let's say 500M-400m Max range) now even if the recon focuses on them it would be not only annoying to try and find them, But also a waste of time, because if we kill them they'll Respawn with full ammo on any of the garrys, on the HQ arty you know what they'll do and where they're going to spawn

Just like horses, mortars sound like a good idea, But when you think about it... It would be a nightmare to balance correctly on a game like HLL

[analog helm]

good luck

best online shooter. rough learning curve. Not that hard. Just nerds camping in bushes

[obtuse dragon]

Remember to use the community TAA

[gentle lintel]

What did you just call me

https://tenor.com/view/homer-coming-out-of-bush-gif-17524099517307455865

[ivory linden]

@thorn pilot

[analog helm]

i love camping in bushes (aka defending)

[pale vapor]

If t17 spent time making some wierd skirmish mode then they can do this

it wont even take time as youre just removing stuff and making existing sounds louder

[nova meteor]

Pacific theater when

When did this game become a strafe cod game? Squad gunplay update when

[slate canopy]

HLL: Vietnam.

[obtuse dragon]

fuh nah gng

we need the italians first

[cosmic pilot]

Holy necro

[obtuse dragon]

or the chinese

ACTUALLY

We need the finnish first

[runic gorge]

hell nah

[distant tangle]

is hell let loose fixed after the beta 19?

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/rango-laugh-risa-gif-23463998

[obtuse dragon]

kinda?

50/50

[glossy echo]

Had it on ps5 before

[graceful solstice]

how come offensive isnt as popular as warfare? I love offensive

[hazy owl]

I bet they would have to rewrite a lot of code to make each mode a special version of the game. Not happening XD

[hazy owl]

Because it requires a lot of effort to make a defensive line. If you don't have people getting ready for the next point you lose fast. One major problem is that players can roam in inactive zones destroying spawns and sabotaging any defences. It should work like breakthrough from Battlefield where attackers cannot enter unlocked territory. There should be default spawns for each zone.
They're too busy adding tank skins to monetize dying game and testing this mechanism for the upcoming HLL:V.

And it's usually the more experienced players who understand the crowd mentality and what they are against and keep preparing spawns for the rest of the team so the game does not suck. But these players are taking a pause cause the game or servers crashes and broken updates. Or they're just weary of the lack of improvement over the years. And if there are not any game makers you end up with 15-25 min running simulator.
And let's not forget about the dumb players who think they're playing warfare mode.

[glass gate]

@fluid pawn why is hit reg is so bad on Xbox after the update?

[eager orbit]

Has there been any announcement about balancing the Anti-Tank class after the U18 armor rework, or are we just going to use the bazooka as a grenade launcher against infantry instead?

[fringe hollow]

I usually see people rocket pvp if there aren't tanks nearby. Normally the rocket sails and an enemy rocket comes back in response

[cosmic pilot]

you already do that

[eager orbit]

Sure, but honestly, it would be good if the bazooka could actually damage tanks as well. 😅

[fringe hollow]

Tbf the constant respawn with full health mechanic can be stopped by starting with no ammo, needing someone to actually drop the ammo, and making infantry carried ammo very limited, forcing ammo drops via jeep which was suggested at one point and I thought was good.

oh for sure. irl it had 80mm pen in the beginning and the super bazooka got up to 120-130mm pen

so it should easily overmatch side armor on even the panther but balancing i guess

[eager orbit]

Sure, still… it’s a PvP game. Balance > history. The US and Soviets are pretty weak at dealing with tanks right now.

And increasing the rocket count from 2 to 3 for all just boosts the Panzerschreck even more.

[hazy owl]

Shush! Devs are busy making Artillery skins!

[fringe hollow]

if we get artillery skins before any major fixing, I might actually be done. Optimist all the way but that would be it

[eager orbit]

I’m like 90% sure that skins are arriving before Christmas

[hazy owl]

U19 is a deal breaker for me. They keep asking for feedback now and if they do the exact opposite the community servers must stop running... let them foot the bill for servers and deal with cheaters :]

https://tenor.com/view/protest-gif-25667219

Especially when you pay for servers that crash due to their fault...

I hope they see this side of the issue. It's not just that players can't play, but someone paid for the servers where they would normally play.. I hope they offer refunds to those who bought the game after U18 and their game keeps crashing... You can't keep saying "Thank you for your patience" forever tbh.

[fringe hollow]

tbf I stopped playing daily after U18. Between burn out, brainless new players, and all of T17s antics.

Single player games are much more relaxing anyway

[hazy owl]

Many people stopped playing. That's another waste of money since that probably killed some servers prematurely.

Don't be sad tho. We have tank skins 😄

[woven lynx]

guys guys you play pc

try something more fun like DCS or arma vietnam

[past vortex]

they are just trying to bridge the time until hllv anyway
would have been better they leave it as is

also reminder: with a normal code management you DO NOT lose any work with a rollback

[hazy owl]

If that's the case they need all the trashing there is

[past vortex]

they easily got away with the "explaination" that they would lose work
and... maybe thats even true but that would mean they dont have normal version control :}

[eager orbit]

With their current approach, this is really not a good look for them. If they don’t care about user experience, bug fixes, QoL updates, and game balance, who’s actually going to trust them enough to buy the next title after this?

[finite berry]

Believe me, people WILL buy the next title

[main harness]

They just don't have the guts to make hard decisions like admitting they got it wrong.

Anything they suggest gets implemented, then they spend ages trying to patch it to make it enjoyable. Rather than just admit they made a mistake.

SPA will be the next example of it sadly. They have spent dev time on it so they will implement it.

Sadly.

[past vortex]

yea their lack of understanding how game works makes it look bleak for hllv