mess-hall

[fringe hollow]

guilty of wrongthink is so funny to me for some reason

[woven lynx]

more excited for that than gta vi just cus of the 60fps

[fringe hollow]

WW2 is my autism focus. If I liked vietnam, I would have played rising storm 2

[woven lynx]

man console industry turned so disgusting

[woven lynx]

those arma mods though

[slate mango]

fr. Genuinely the most hyped i've been for a game

[silk igloo]

elise is a grumpy ww2 fan

[fringe hollow]

why can't every game just take after arma and leave the arcade gameplay to cod and BF

I could also just join the army if I wanted to experience realism tbh

[woven lynx]

because average joe doesnt wanna play milsims, not as interested

[silk igloo]

when i was something like 9, a friend of my father gave me Hamburger Hill as a VHS

what the hell was he thinking

[fringe hollow]

average joe can blow me for $19 and go back to cod and screaming at children

[finite berry]

yes :)

[woven lynx]

average joe IS children. how tf does anyone older than 20 keep up with the pace of these games, even battlefield 6 from my gameplay experience is just so much sweatier than i remember older ones

[finite berry]

1. There some people that simply don't care about Vietnam
2. Many people here fear that HLL will die a slow death with Vietnam draining support
3. HLL is a flawed game and T17 incapable/not interested in fixing many of the underlying issues, so they expect a more or less equally flawed game with Vietnam

[finite berry]

I'm 27 and I feel like I'm too old for games like Bf6; it's just too fast

[woven lynx]

precisely. you can just tell how its a dopamine chasing machine

[finite berry]

I probably could keep up with it, but honestly, I don't WANT to

I simply don't care about Bf6

[silk igloo]

I play bf6 just like I play HLL. Going for the gaps, when I can, and complaining about the team

[worthy charm]

BF7 then

[woven lynx]

what about the shooting 30 rounds before the guy dies?

[silk igloo]

that's nothing in either game

[fringe hollow]

The dopamine I get from flanking with a small group and infiltrating a secure point successfully will NEVER match the adrenaline junkie type of gameplay BF and cod have been for some time

[thin lotus]

If you say it’s taking that much to down a target, that is 100% a skill issue

[woven lynx]

i was exaggerating how much health you have with armour in bf6, redsec, but thanks

[thin lotus]

Playing any bf game then transitioning over to hll immediately reveals how easy hll is as a shooter game

[fringe hollow]

people can't read sarcasm usually, don't worry about it

[silk igloo]

playing bf6 made me realize that hll has the same exact problems, as far as public lobbies go. i havent bothered with any organization in 5 years. that is, hll is just battlefield

[woven lynx]

tis no worries! it usually does take.. too many shots in HLL if im not kissing my screen…

[woven lynx]

what is that like on PC?

[fringe hollow]

have you tried not shooting 500 meters out? 😂

[woven lynx]

well i mean as MG finding a spot in the ever-changing misty battlefield is often not as easy as putting down the bipod 😅

[thin lotus]

Hll, like bf, has their respective communities believing that simply being in proximity to other players is “teamwork”. Just by massing together you’re able to usually be successful in whatever your effort is, but gamers think it’s some intricate network of cohesion and synergy

[fringe hollow]

nevermind, MG makes sense

[silk igloo]

like it's ironic that both games have the same problem: infantry spawns somewhere far, thinking they're smart, and any of their tanks cannot leave base because they'd get whacked by infantry, because the enemy inf is doing the same as yours

hell, even squad44 suffers from this

[fringe hollow]

Being close to other players isn't teamwork. It's just strength in numbers. Even that fails if the average "teammate" can't listen for the gunfire on his left or he is insitant on watching the exact same corner as you and 4 other people. No one understand how to cover each other. It's not complex if you have a brain

[woven lynx]

ahh okay, sounds quite different compared to the console experience where you just have generally silly people not being sure what to do

[silk igloo]

In bf6 it kind of works because of the fast revives, spawning on any squadmate etc, keeping the murderball going. Or at least it seems to be working for anyone in it, they leave a point they just captured and the enemy will just cap it back. It's good for casual fun (i dont like it). In HLL it works when the enemy is as clueless as you and doesnt blow you up with tanks or arty. I suppose any influx of new players teaches each other to play wrong.

[thin lotus]

Massing definitely favors bf comparatively. In hll it’s much more of a detriment to be clumped up considering just how piss easy it is to down targets. One good shooter can easily zone an entire area of an advancement. In HLL, a clip of a Garand is able to take down 8 guys max. That kind of kill output is damn near impossible to do in bf. Hll is immensely easier.

[silk igloo]

The rules are the same for both teams though. Sure it's easier to down targets, but same goes for you.

Which is why the meta is all about destroying spawns and other things, and people saying how difficult HLL is

[thin lotus]

It is a lot easier to be inconspicuous in hll though. One guy with a rifle has a kill zone of 200m. That is insane(ly easy)

[worthy charm]

Assuming you arent bad at the game

[silk igloo]

yeah, but you need spawns for that. even if you're a squadlead yourself, how much can you do with just a rifle?

[worthy charm]

As its the case for me :}

[thin lotus]

A lot more comparative to bf

[fringe hollow]

as far as being a shooter goes, yes it's easy to kill people. The idea is that there is a larger game at work than just killing people. BF is literally "go kill masses of people nonstop for hours until you get bored" with objectives to force people together. COD is way worse for this

[silk igloo]

but in bf, conquest, your kills matter. in hll you can only stem the tide, you cannot do anything by yourself

[thin lotus]

You can prevent enemies from doing what they need to do, and much easier

Hll players who vilify high kill scorers is cringe af

[fringe hollow]

I wouldn't vilify them, just down on people who focus primarily on kills.

[thin lotus]

Kills are the catalyst to doing literally anything in any shooter game

[fringe hollow]

kills are good, not the point though. You NEED to go take out the spawn or else it's just camping

[thin lotus]

It’s the main focus regardless of anyone’s opinion of how it affects the outcome

[silk igloo]

of course you'd win with kills if everything else was equal, but it never is

[fringe hollow]

If everyone was only focused on kills, they would likely be surrounded by the players who have smart spawn locations that aren't being taken down

[thin lotus]

Which is why people have their weird opinions of how kills affect games

[fringe hollow]

Kills push you forward to actually get to the objective you need, being it strong point or garrison

[thin lotus]

Yes, the catalyst to both attacking and defending

[fringe hollow]

it keeps sounding like you're trying to justify focusing on kills and ignoring the objectives to let someone else get them. The mentality of "someone else will get it" is why pub matches are so painful

[thin lotus]

It would be silly to say “See? Kills don’t matter after all!” When your opposition was never contesting the point to begin with

[silk igloo]

not all kills are equal though. you may kill a guy 100 times coming across a field, and he or his team doesnt lose anything by it, it's just a draw like pawns facing each other in chess.

if he forces you to be there, you're both stuck

[cosmic pilot]

@silk igloo cease and desist immediately, arguing with chum about gunplay is my job 😤

[thin lotus]

The highest kill players are always ‘playing’ the objective. It’s the same in bf and hll.

[woven lynx]

what if you kill the arty guy getting 15 kills a min 🤣

[fringe hollow]

Highest kill players who brag or show off their kills usually aren't playing objective or are simply camping the objective without actually doing much to help push for a win

[cosmic pilot]

eh, the ideal scenario is actually to kill as few enemies as possible
the less guys you have to kill the less work you have to do to win

[thin lotus]

There is asinine knee jerk assumption from both playerbases that think anyone scoring high kill amounts isn’t where they’re supposed to be

If they’re scoring high, they’re doing exactly what they need to be doing

[cosmic pilot]

think of it this way, the ideal scenerio you want your offensive score to be as low as possible

time spent in enemy territory should have a 1:1 ratio with time spent capturing the enemy point

[silk igloo]

yeah, assuming that they're not lacking in anything else. but i think this conversation is purely theoretical since i dont recall anyone gloating over kills (or arguing against them) in the past 4 years

[cosmic pilot]

since the cap time is 2min, you should only every really have to accrue, what, 6min of offensive score, maybe plus 2 minutes per cap for travel time

[woven lynx]

so what you are trying to say is the lower the score the quicker you capped the objectives?

[cosmic pilot]

yes

[fringe hollow]

that's if you're germany walking into poland during the first hours of the war. No enemies means no getting bogged down obviously

[cosmic pilot]

in an ideal circumstance

[cosmic pilot]

mhm

[silk igloo]

although my memory ought to be notoriously bad by this time

[woven lynx]

yes i think gameplay wise that is super boring, no dudes getting blown up next to you or whatever

[fringe hollow]

lemme know when the ideal match happens or if it's any fun

[fringe hollow]

Nah plenty of fun. Play cards and joke with your buddy

[woven lynx]

your point makes sense. but i cant even remember what was the debate lol

[cosmic pilot]

if your team is favored to win center off the rip, you can precap the next point and there's very little the enemy can do to counter

[harsh egret]

The MG who sets up for 10 minutes farming a garrison for kills instead of just dismantling it comes to mind.

[cosmic pilot]

you can precap the 2nd to last point before mid is capped

[fringe hollow]

again, is that any fun? Additionally, any SMART team would never let that happen

[silk igloo]

the first few mins with all the blokes in the truck is the most fun

[woven lynx]

wellll does this not help the team

[harsh egret]

Not as much as dismantling it and moving on to support team elsewhere imo

[fringe hollow]

mine just stare aimlessly and are quiet when I ask anything. Maybe I'm in the wrong platoon

[wintry thistle]

If your killing enemies your stopping them from getting on the point

Kills are just as valid as capping

[cosmic pilot]

it's exilerating, and no, it doesn't really matter how smart the team is
if they are disadvantaged to take mid, anything diverted to protect their non-active cap hurts them

[woven lynx]

valid, i think its situational, but in the ideal scenario for the mg he would be having a devestating effect

[harsh egret]

And then if he gets killed and he was the only dude around, now that garrison is still there and you essentially just wasted 10 mins for nothing instead of making a potentially game changing play with a dismantle.

[fringe hollow]

If a team is obviously going to lose mid, it's only common sense to fallback and regroup. Additionally, there should still be defenders unless for some reason the entire game, all 100 players, are just throwing themselves at middle

which is just stupid

[cosmic pilot]

is it common sense?
even if it's obvious, to hold back without capping mid is to give the initative to the enemy

so anyway, you're screwed

[woven lynx]

yet, for 10 mins he was wasting people on the other side’s time

[harsh egret]

For a net gain of zero to his team in the end. The enemies now proceed to spawn and wave from there as they please.

[fringe hollow]

It is VERY MUCH common sense to not abandon defense. Maybe you're the one teaching all these new players I've been seeing

[woven lynx]

i mean, it’s better than what always happens on pubs where people will just keep spawning meanwhile the defensive point gets blitzkrieged

[cosmic pilot]

i think you're missing my point

[silk igloo]

Keeping it dead prevents the enemy from having a garry within 200m though, and trying to dismantle it is always a risk. I'd rather dismantle them myself, but I'm not going to attack a garry with a hipfired MG when there's a chance that I'll get shot on the way

[fringe hollow]

I could be. I'm not always smart

[harsh egret]

Also most people stop spawning on a garry after they get instakilled by an MG on it one time, so realistically his kpm isn't going to skyrocket all that much from camping it forever

[woven lynx]

yes.

[fringe hollow]

I always try to force my squad defense. Usually we would be the onlys ones and have the highest scores of combat, defense, AND support

[harsh egret]

In a perfect world, he'd cover while a friendly pushes to it but yeah

Pub HLL is for speds mostly

[cosmic pilot]

i'm not talking about the relative strengths of attackers and defenders in that "which side is playing more optimally"
what i'm trying to get across is that precapping has a massive advantage for the attacker that the defender has no good options to deal with.

[wintry thistle]

Hyrum has discovered the mythical pre cap strategy

[fringe hollow]

ok I'm not a comp player, what is precapping?

I know backcapping

[cosmic pilot]

if the attacker is capable of precapping, any counterplay from the defender is detrimental for the defender's ability to regain initiative to go on the attack

[wintry thistle]

Being on the point before it is open to capture

[fringe hollow]

so backcapping

[silk igloo]

Yeah, it should be like that with any class. If you dont have anyone in front of you, stop and shoot until you do. So many people just running alone just to get shot

[wintry thistle]

Kinda

[cosmic pilot]

yes, i call it precapping

[wintry thistle]

I guess it’s the same thing

[fringe hollow]

My mistake then, lemme reread everything

[wintry thistle]

Expect back capping is usually sneaky

Like in BF capturing a point in the rear

[woven lynx]

baziclly people capping your point, and already waiting at the next one so you cant defend optimally

[wintry thistle]

Compared to pre capping, which would be moving to a point that’s not active but would have enemies there

[cosmic pilot]

i would use back capping in the sense of attacking an active objective
precapping means attacking a non-active objective

right before it's about to become active

[wintry thistle]

^

[fringe hollow]

This usually comes from recon or a random squad who pushed far. The garrison left to act as radar is gone so you should know there are enemies there and try to clear them anyway. If people are behind you and you have NO idea, that's a problem with the team.

[woven lynx]

was i correct with my statement?

[cosmic pilot]

but you can see, how diverting forces to fight over a non-active cap is detrimental

[fringe hollow]

Backcapping to me is capturing the point behind the enemy line. The active defense point is considered "the line" to me. I'll try to remember this though

[cosmic pilot]

if you overcommit too much to defending the non-active cap you are guaranteed to lose the active cap

[silk igloo]

Well that's the beauty of fog of war, innit. If you send one guy to counter 5, or even just 1, it's fair. If you send 5 guys just to counter 1 guy...

[cosmic pilot]

precapping as an allowed mechanic is horrible for pubs and i hate it
but pulling it off with a high degree of competance is so satisfying

[fringe hollow]

Again, if the enemy can divert forces to be there and you're still losing, that's a team issue. I understand what you mean though

[cosmic pilot]

this would be true mid match

it's not as true before mid is capped

[silk igloo]

imo the game should revert to what it was, requiring 1 squadmate nearby to build an OP, and 2 to build a garrison, and a new addition of needing at least 2-3 to destroy a garrison

[woven lynx]

basically more teamwork

[silk igloo]

lone, skilled players running around with maximum damage, carrying the entire oblivious team, just hurts everyone

[cosmic pilot]

before mid is capped there is no solid frontline

[fringe hollow]

Would it not make sense to see that you're obviously not going to get the middle point, so no matter what you do, defense should be the goal? The enemy is already getting middle so throwing your entire force at them isn't going to do anything. If you have a chance you take back middle, that's different but my understanding is this scenario is one team WILL capture it without fail.

[cosmic pilot]

and anytime spent establishing one that could stop a breakthrough disadvantages you to take center

[silk igloo]

It ought to be squad action, right? One squad against another, one squad being the smallest unit that moves

[cosmic pilot]

if you give up the center you disadvantage yourself by making yourself vulernable to back capping

in the following context, i'm using defender to mean the side that does not have mid

[fringe hollow]

I'm not saying give it up. I'm saying if it's very clear you WILL NOT get the point no matter what you do, the attackers should dig in, form a front, and few people clear defense

[cosmic pilot]

if the defender has to attack mid, he can only afford to defend with as few bodies as possible to prevent cap by proximity in the 4 grid square.
The attacker attacking less defenders makes it easier for the attacker.

[fringe hollow]

this was a thing? I've been thinking Squad had the best idea and it should be brought to HLL

[silk igloo]

yeah, like 5-6 years ago. lots of funny things then, like the only american tank dying to 1 shreck to the front

[fringe hollow]

Which is why we dig in. Let the enemy come to you while a plan forms to counterattack

but again, i'm not comp so i haven't studied a video game

[silk igloo]

everyone got too good with videogames. there's no going back to arcadia

[harsh egret]

Its why I stopped playing CoD years ago. Every 12 year old kid thinks he's gonna be a famous pro streamer now. How insufferable.

[fringe hollow]

I blew that place up. Death to the synths. Ad Victoriam

[woven lynx]

HELL YEAH DANSE MENTIONED

[fringe hollow]

I'm currently on fo4 while seeding random servers

much better game

[woven lynx]

still holds up greatly. real fun

[harsh egret]

I played it again last year. I wonder how my money farm is doing. I got super rich trying that out.

Water farm*

[woven lynx]

tried DLCs?

[harsh egret]

I honestly don't remember which ones I have tbh

I don't think I have any if they weren't free

[woven lynx]

they’re good if you really are into the game, for me i played them when the fatigue was setting in

[fringe hollow]

They had every dlc and base game on sale for like $5 or something a while back

[woven lynx]

yes nuka world is so much content but it left me wanting more, probably more story, which nuka world really has not much of

far harbor is better for that

[fringe hollow]

PC? If so, nexus has a collection of mods that enhances vanilla a lot. DLCs too. A Storyweath I think was the name

[harsh egret]

Last run through I did a bunch of stuff I hadn't tried before, like trading perks and using mini nuke launchers and building an actual good base with a huge purified water factory. Ended up having the most enjoyable playthrough yet.

[woven lynx]

nah, PS5 version is OK without mods

i actually wanted a couple more trophies so i didnt turn them on

[fringe hollow]

That's fair

[woven lynx]

definitely still got groomed into joining BoS though

[harsh egret]

Always having money to buy power cores meant I could actually use power armor often without feeling like I needed to be careful about it, which was always annoying.

[woven lynx]

yes once you’re at a “cap surplus” you can go around in that all day

[harsh egret]

Me too usually but I went big heavy and there was nothing like hunting the alpha deathclaws in the radiation zone and hitting them with a VATS nuke to the face for the kill.

Are they alpha? Idk the big ones

[runic gorge]

why does this game kinda suck at times

[harsh egret]

Because they think things like dynamic weather are worth more of a focus than making sure the game runs at more than 3 fps or stops crashing every 5 minutes.

[slate canopy]

If you wanna talk about DayZ. Take it to off topic. #off-topic-mess-hall

Technically any other games, unless compared to HLL, should be in Off topic.

I am at work so it's the first one I saw. I didn't see all the previous messages.

(I cannot be on my phone in the lab space - I am on a drink break)

[runic gorge]

everyone playing like its cod bruh

and recon is useless they never get arty

[woven lynx]

id need to drink too if i was still on reddit

[woven lynx]

not unless arty is genuinely affective haha

[slate canopy]

People just wanna play sniper

[runic gorge]

booo

[slate canopy]

I try to play spotter as much as I can, so people can snipe... But I let them free unless I need them for arty. Usually people still join me anyway lol

[harsh egret]

360 no scope with my pink hello kitty gun, son

[slate canopy]

Don't forget b hops!

[harsh egret]

Always

[runic gorge]

i think the gamepass ppl kinda dont talk or really play properly

[harsh egret]

The real flex is dropshotting people in HLL. It takes 3-5 business days and makes them feel terrible.

[slate canopy]

I should tank more 😬 I haven't in forever.

Arty isn't my thing, and I always down to be engineer, support, AT, whatever.

(time to go back to woooork)

[runic gorge]

ive been playing since 2019 or 2020 i forgor but im about to move on from this game tbh

[harsh egret]

A lot of us are feeling that these days my man

I literally don't like or want any of these reworks. I just want what I've wanted for 3 years and that is for this to stop crashing and run at a half decent framerate. Currently unacceptable for an fps.

I've held out for so long waiting for nothing

[woven lynx]

now imagine constant 30fps. painful right? that’s gta vi

[civic dawn]

Learned? U19 is already there for you to enjoy.

[harsh egret]

Constant 30 would be a blessing for us here on xbox tbh. Keyword constant, because that would be preferable to it dipping to a LITERAL freezing slideshow when you go to ADS with a bolt action.

[harsh egret]

It's bad man. Very very bad.

[runic gorge]

i dont get the hit reg in hll?

how come half the times you shoot through a window it just acts weird

[harsh egret]

I'm not a goat or anything, I'm older now and my reflexes aren't what they used to be, but I can't tell you how many times I lost a gunfight simply because of how often this game straight up hard freezes when you go to aim your gun and win a gunfight

[fringe hollow]

the building's hitbox isn't accurate. It's like that for about 90% of objects in the game

[runic gorge]

they gotta fix it

[finite berry]

Code moment

[runic gorge]

theres a guy in the match im in using speed hacks

[fringe hollow]

That would require reworking the models or something similar. If they could do that, we would have a fully walkable Pavlov's House with everything being fixed

[thin lotus]

Hlls <20 tickrate 🤣

[past vortex]

not code moment
its like they did all that manually instead having code

and thats rather crazy

[finite berry]

You playing on an official server?

[runic gorge]

naw

[thin lotus]

Temporary fixes become permanent issues

[finite berry]

Then consider contacting the server's admin

[runic gorge]

lowkey might hop back on ps

better ww2 game

[past vortex]

is thtis your alt elise?

:}

[finite berry]

I don't have alts, so no :)

[worthy charm]

Im an elise alt

Lets all play S44

:}

[past vortex]

ich bin auch alt

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-armstrong-handshake-gif-24880361

[slate canopy]

Share in #hll-videos

[hexed kraken]

If they fix the way the arch looks, the SPAs are going to be a ton of fun to use

[worthy charm]

Feel free to write that into the feedback form

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/bbgN3.gif

Give me and Willes another heavy and I’m in

[worthy charm]

You gossip girl only came here to post that.

Sturmtiger when as SPA in HLL?

[empty steppe]

I just read and stay in silence 🫩

[worthy charm]

🫩
sus

[empty steppe]

Sturmgewehrpanzerfaustfallshirmjager-42/44 when

[empty steppe]

I’m not sus

I’m just… here 🥱

[worthy charm]

rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz

[empty steppe]

Prob means like car or smth

[cosmic pilot]

it's too bad easy read 2 only has 20v20 mp

it has modding support though and is dirt cheap

i really should pick it up to take a look

[finite berry]

cattle marking and beef labeling supervision duties delegation law

[worthy charm]

Rindfleisch = Beef

[empty steppe]

Close enough

[finite berry]

Who the f u ck plays Easy Red 2 for the multiplayer, tho

[worthy charm]

No really

[cosmic pilot]

that was my complaint

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/G2WJ.gif

[cosmic pilot]

contentwise, it completely blows hll and s44 out of the water

[finite berry]

It really does

[worthy charm]

Next thing you gotta do is call this bread?!?!
Like this western propagandist!!!!

[finite berry]

And it just keeps getting new content

[cosmic pilot]

it's almost like, adding stuff to a game that is some variation of existing stuff should be dirt easy

[finite berry]

Gigachad devs are planning to add Operation Spring Awakening next

[empty steppe]

Ah yes weinershnitzelpanzerfaust 42/45

Nailed it

I’m basically fluent in German

[finite berry]

And the most astonishing fact about ER2 is that the voice acting sounds surprisingly good

Like, Enlisted voice lines are just cringe

[worthy charm]

Better you never travel to germany or I will find you

AND THATS TOAST!!!

[empty steppe]

Already did 😉😉

[empty steppe]

Bread is uncooked toast

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[finite berry]

ER2's voice lines sound not just not cringe, but they also mostly fit the situation

Törken

[worthy charm]

Wanna see a magic trick?

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/PqoT.gif

[worthy charm]

||TOAST!!!||

[novel geyser]

ER2 mentioned 🥳

[empty steppe]

Gotta butter that bad boi up

[empty steppe]

Can’t wait for Easy Blue 3

[novel geyser]

real

[worthy charm]

[cosmic pilot]

wait a minute

this is the offtopic

[novel geyser]

no this is mess-hall

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-no-this-is-the-chum-bucket-bruh-gif-18641279

[novel geyser]

greenish spongebob

greenishbob

[cosmic pilot]

bruh

[jade zealot]

is the test branch down

[worthy charm]

It isnt

Its just empty after the first 2 days

[jade zealot]

strange. cant find it

[river rover]

ℹ️ **AMD Adrenalin 25.11.1 GPU Driver (WHQL)**ℹ️
https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/graphics/radeon-rx/radeon-rx-9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9070.html

[hollow wadi]

s44?

[worthy charm]

ps

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[hollow wadi]

ha

what is that?

can somebody hepl the man in support

sad man

[slate canopy]

What ze problem? Post in #1271718922734796865

[hollow wadi]

he had problem with conecting to server

he cant conect with host

[cerulean iris]

One of U18's new features

[normal junco]

lost the best tank crew to a crash 😭

[hazy owl]

That's the new commander ability

[normal junco]

U19 will just uninstall the game for you

[hazy owl]

That's extra 55GB of your disk space. Best update ever

[real parrot]

Guys I got a RX 9060XT 16GB

[magic dune]

is there an official date on u19

[slate canopy]

Nothing yet, you can play the U19 experimental branch on Steam.

[runic gorge]

I lowkey haven't touched a tank since early 2021 😭

[midnight nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-im-in-a-tank-and-you-re-not-gif-20408974

[analog apex]

Does anybody know what's with SteamCharts? I got used to check for the dropdown of HLL players every day, but it seems the data there have been frozen for a day or two already, for all games and not just HLL.

[hazy owl]

Probably run out of disk space again XD

[analog apex]

Exactly what I was thinking 😄 , but at the same time I wonder... would they rly. make such a mistake 2x? Don't they have any indicator that shows them the remaining space and alarms them somehow when the space is getting small or full? Interesting...

[hazy owl]

All data is powered by Steam. Not affiliated with Valve in any way.

it's just some guy running it...

[peak knot]

I got a few based on CRCON data that includes most of EU/US epic, game pass and a few consoles: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368140465091903488/1438824678914392094/image.png?ex=69184967&is=6916f7e7&hm=a00fdf56d19817e383672b9ae62a517be97304d52a8f2be440f46a1648aef6ca& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368140465091903488/1438824679715508244/image.png?ex=69184967&is=6916f7e7&hm=853ef1af45da85796fda269af09be4a145fa59707091c0e0c72875b5c80f0020& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368140465091903488/1438824680416088094/image.png?ex=69184967&is=6916f7e7&hm=d5eaed142792b161d04e26e3a1871df0597dfd64598792acbf86440aa404db8e&

a lot less depressing numbers than steamcharts

[cyan saddle]

No release date given yet. All we know is that it won't be this november.

[woven lynx]

wait what?!

[hazy owl]

they cannot afford another U18 💩show, it's a good thing

[woven lynx]

sounds like more insurgency sandstorm playtime to me

[analog apex]

and if they won't fully fix U18 before updating to U19... might be as well as our last update because in such state things would go ever much worse

like... 3 hotfixes so far for U18 and the U18-related problems still happen

[woven lynx]

this is random but i agree

and the extra tool is kinda.. probably crowding the inventory for people

usually i’d use the circle menu for that but they changed it to a horrible button in favour of freelook

man who here actually asked for freelook

you are my enemy

lol cant they just give us mappable buttons

you need to press the shoot button to eject your spent cartridge in a bolt action rifle

so you shoot, and then press your button to shoot again to cycle the next round

more control or whatever. i dont use it

wdym

well the karabiner 98 had clips

i don’t think it was about the gun, but just a bent-barrel attatchment

nonetheless it was not really effective

had a low round capacity, because there is obviously insane friction between the steel of the barrel guiding the hot bullet

i mean the bent barrel

yes what did that one guy say the german tanks could take out 5 american or soviet tanks each but they always had 6 lol

essentially the eastern front was lost to cannon fodder IMO. hitler badly underestimated the soviet’s nature in defending their country. not even the germans capturing moscow would have changed much because all the factories and whatnot had already been moved east

it is mainly highlighted because of being a turning point in the war, but the Volga was quite important because it was used to transport oil from Baku to central Russia

well, when the soviets were attacked and retreating, they would often destroy everything the germans would later come across, and later when the germans retreated they did the same thing.

compared to america, the eastern front was vastly more important than anything the americans accomplished

and it went on like that for over 300 days.

by scale, absolutely

by notoriety, not as much

meanwhile 30 million chinese died in ww2

i only learned the scale of japanese attacks lately

yes

not to mention the japanese did some experimenting on their own

[craggy frigate]

6-7

[woven lynx]

6-7 soviet tanks per Tiger I

nice one btw

probably cus it has absolutely no meaning

better brainrot though

@analog apex what happened you were typing for 6-7 minutes

i dont remember those

[analog apex]

nothing, just waiting for the break in the discussion, I don't want to bring an off-topic in relation not it 🙂

just carry on 😉

here's the break I needed 😄
yo guys, I need a 2nd opinion - I missed the 1st shot for sure, but I am quite sure I can hear at least 2 hitmarker sounds afterwards (possibly even 3) - even the blood splatters seem to agree with at least 2 but it's all too fast and not clear enough.

Did I rly hit his upper body at least 2x?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEZMxAQ60Tw

[worthy charm]

What happend to Sam in general? Im sure 6-7 Years ago he was way more positive about this game.

[analog apex]

wrong question, we should always ask the following: what happened to HLL in those 6-7 years?

[worthy charm]

Im kidding

[woven lynx]

when i play it in slow mo it seems like you missed first and second shot

[analog apex]

I know 🙂

[worthy charm]

The 6/7 was needed :]

[analog apex]

but I can hear the hitmarker sound

also, it's just 50 fps video out of 72 fps in-game, I may have not been aiming exactly where the chosen frames show... that's why I am trying to determine the sounds instead

[woven lynx]

yes me too but it looks like you missed his elbow a little to the right on second shot

[analog apex]

a lot of micro movement happens within the second out of video mode when fps are not limited to 50 playback

[woven lynx]

oh then idk tbh

[analog apex]

me neither 😄

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/67-gif-8575841764206736991

[analog apex]

whatever, let's try to get some more

but even when playing it back in slow mo, 1st one is hit to his left hand also with the hitmark sound, 2nd one has a visible blood splatter and by the time I am going down I can hear another hit mark.

but there is just too much noise from the gunfire to be fully certain too

[vagrant jetty]

is HLL not working for others?

[peak knot]

hits when you're already dying can be retracted, that's pretty normal

you probably just had a lag spike there, aim seems fine

[woven lynx]

@hexed wind yes. yet i dont see the incentive to adding SPA vehicles

[analog apex]

yep, that still however leaves 2

[nova pivot]

Skill issue

[hexed wind]

What?

The devs are adding SPA but not even choosing the right vehicles that's the complaint

[woven lynx]

what you mean what

[woven lynx]

ok

[woven lynx]

yeah should have crouched to miss the bullets, moved right, put outpost in gridsquare delta 5, and pre aimed

[nova pivot]

Nah should just hit the shoots

[hexed wind]

I was totally confused by your statement

SPA is a good thing for this game, it's the dev's idea

just very confused why the devs are shoehorning vehicles that don't make sense as SPAs

[vale garnet]

Spa is not a good idea, it’s a total waste of time

[woven lynx]

that’s ok, i was just wondering why would they add it with commander abilities and conventional artillery already being complained about

[woven lynx]

fix other issues instead? lol

[nova pivot]

Don't you realise this is a trick for getting visits?

[hexed wind]

I meant add the KV2 and Brummbar as other tanks instead of SPA

Also, question why is no one playing the experimental build? I only run into between 1-8 other players trying and testing the new map

[woven lynx]

not on pc

[covert elbow]

It’s so funny lmao

Can’t even be bothered to get the correct vehicles

I’m very curious to see what the devs response is to this blunder

[hexed wind]

I can only imagine it's because they're too lazy to model the crew and interiors. It's bizarre

[covert elbow]

Probably

Or some weird idea that open topped tanks would be to weak

[hexed wind]

It's so odd, I really hope they remedy that for release

[covert elbow]

They won’t

[worthy charm]

Changing every model isnt an option

obviously

[covert elbow]

There’s a better chance he’ll freezes over before they remake them into assault guns

[hexed wind]

Well maybe they should have done their research in the first place and they would not be in this mess

[worthy charm]

Probably their choises were intentional

[covert elbow]

Most likely

[hexed wind]

Yeah, unfortunate

[worthy charm]

As I already said a open top tank wouldnt have worked well with recons

[covert elbow]

But it’s still so baffling why they are called Spa’s

[covert elbow]

But it’s easy balancing

[worthy charm]

You would be killed and never gotten back into that thing

[hexed wind]

Well that's the meta

[covert elbow]

Cause instead now you need a tank, rocket launcher, or satchel to take out the tanks

Which is even worse

[worthy charm]

The meta they are trying to change that is.

[covert elbow]

Plus the driver would be protected, so the tank has a good opportunity to escape

[worthy charm]

It isnt tho

Idk why you think it is

[covert elbow]

More AT spam

I just want them to reduce satchels and launchers

Better yet balance them better

[hexed wind]

Bro I just want them to use the right vehicles and be faithful 😭

[worthy charm]

Its the same amount of AT as before, but yeah satchels are still weird

[hexed wind]

recon SHOULD be a counter to these vehicles

that isn't an issue in my eyes

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

Giving recon anything similar to a satchel is broken

[hexed wind]

so you want recon to not be recon?

[covert elbow]

No. That’s why the tanks having an open top is fine

[worthy charm]

Recon is the most powerfull squad type in the game

[covert elbow]

That way recon can counter the SPA’s

[worthy charm]

I want balancing

[nova pivot]

They should have the dynamite for destroying at guns arty and nodes

[hexed wind]

https://tenor.com/view/waterboy-dispatch-frosting-cupcake-gif-904742930010535526

[nova pivot]

What they showed us in objective mode but adapted to normal gameplay

[worthy charm]

Recon should be needed to kill SPAs it not their job, we are trying to get way from recon arty loop. This would keep it in the game in another from

[hexed wind]

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[worthy charm]

The devs? Everyone who has said the recon arty loop is bad over the last 6 years or so?

[main harness]

Its crazy the effort they are going to to avoid adding 2 mortar squads, removing HQ arty and tuning the commander arty ability properly.

[nova pivot]

Yes the recon loops need to stop

[hexed wind]

literally just add mortars exactly

[covert elbow]

But it’s an opportunity to harass and disrupt

Not to soley destroy

[worthy charm]

Open Top SPAs would just kill the crew and then camp them. ITS THE SAME LOOP IN ANOTHER COLOR!!!

It doenst work like that

[covert elbow]

Okay but the tank can just drive away

[hexed wind]

then penalise camping near spawns

[covert elbow]

Recon would just hassle and drive them off

[worthy charm]

Not when they are dead

[covert elbow]

It’s an option

[worthy charm]

Ninja I begin to think you are trolling

[covert elbow]

I think you are lmao

[worthy charm]

This is hillarious

[covert elbow]

I don’t think your point is what you think it is

[worthy charm]

How even? That a bad idea on its own

This game is currently working around spawns

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-gif-153920123527539258

[worthy charm]

Point is Open top SPAs would havent worked, they would have been so easy to counter with recon that using them would become impossible

[woven lynx]

just shoot the doods inside yez

[worthy charm]

We have 40 kmh tanks and 30 satchels per team, countering them isnt a problem at all.

[nova pivot]

Recon or even a level 4 medic that got lost

[woven lynx]

wha

[worthy charm]

Random due with a jeep and a flamethrower

I seen this

[nova pivot]

This doesn't sound random

[woven lynx]

game crash

[nova pivot]

Sounds like a planned strategy

[worthy charm]

A cursed one tho

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-floppa-friday-gif-26397339

floppa so chill even when hiss

sorry off topic

[woven lynx]

jeep and flamethrower? just satchel him ez

wait i just saw soulsniper in this server thats wild i seen his vids

[worthy charm]

4 ATs and a jeep are the best vehicle in the game

[woven lynx]

i would love to see your gameplay this knowledge sounds like nothing ive heard

[worthy charm]

None of my friends wants to play this game... So im only working with theories

I want to satchel my own jeep tho

which I cant

[woven lynx]

and i do console 😔

[worthy charm]

broken game

-# Kidding

[woven lynx]

car bomb like battlefield?

[oak current]

you mean 2 flamethrowers and one extra MG, so you can roleplay as a Sd Kfz 251

[woven lynx]

Berg, not to be off topic again or anything but is it true every surname ending in berg is jewish?

[worthy charm]

Everytime I see a pak I think about your clip of that one game on Omaha

That Pak was so funny in the house

[oak current]

no idea but sounds unlikely ^^

wait, why do I even say no idea - just: nah

[oak current]

glorious PAK

[woven lynx]

wait i googled it and it said “not necessarily”

ugh sorry weird questions excuse me for next few hours

[orchid tinsel]

Oh dear constant lost connections, lag, and low frame rates ... the updates are wrecking this game.

[analog apex]

yep, half of the server's population got booted 2x in one round just a while ago

[past veldt]

It's the DDOSing this time

[past vortex]

many hosters protection seems to be completly ineffective

[cosmic pilot]

We commentating like it's a pokemon fight now

[past vortex]

not really, im more interested in the technical aspect

[cosmic pilot]

Have you changed your stance on the first iteration of ddosing?

[past vortex]

no, why

i never doubted that ddos happens

its just that it has nothing to do with that 29 Tb/s event

[cosmic pilot]

Out of curiosity, to see if what's happening now changed your mind about the previous attempt's impact

[past vortex]

that was the latest biggest, it was only 45 seconds and basically an advertisement for that ddos net you can hire

the actual attacks on some hll hosters use only a small fraction of that

[analog apex]

or BF meh 😄

[past vortex]

even those large attacks CAN be mitigated, it just costs money and some hosters dont spend that :}

[analog apex]

not that much important reply 😄

[novel geyser]

They buffed at back to 3 rockets

Lol lmao

[cedar ore]

Isn’t that defeating the whole point of increasing tank health 😭😭😭

[analog apex]

Artillery Strike now costs 375 Munitions > Previously 125 Munitions
w t f ?

that's a big difference

so... one arty circle will cost 375? 😮

if we wanted to use all 3 circles, it's gonna be what... 1125 ammunitions?

[cedar ore]

😭😭

[analog apex]

there are 12 shells in each arty circle right? That makes it 31 ammunition resource cost per each shell...

now today with the HQ arty a HE shell costs 3 ammunition

[cedar ore]

As much as I glaze hll I CANNOT glaze this zawg

[cedar ore]

That’s actually insane

And it’s not even that good

I rarely get killed by it

I must say this is a major step in the wrong direction

[analog apex]

I mean... it can kill some peeps, but it's definitely not worth 375 ammunition per arty circle

[cedar ore]

I also think it should be 2 arty squad’s not 1

[past veldt]

Jesus Christ that poor arty strike ability

[cedar ore]

100%

[past veldt]

It was already dead

[analog apex]

there are 2 arty squads in the U19 preview

[cedar ore]

Reduced to 1 now

[analog apex]

rly? I didn't get that far yet 😄
I agree then

[cosmic pilot]

Who was the idiot that requested more ammo for at rockets

[past veldt]

It was fine at 100 munitions if they just removed the garrison killing ability

[cedar ore]

Yep lol

[cedar ore]

Agreed

[cosmic pilot]

And who was the idiot that listened to him

[cedar ore]

Maybe 150 is a good in between honestly

It’s a powerful ability if used right

[past veldt]

Tanks have way too much health rn. This is a good balancing mechanic now

[cosmic pilot]

No

[cedar ore]

I disagree

[analog apex]

but arty has no place on relatively small HLL maps - controllabe arty guns need to be replaced by mortars

[past veldt]

Medium Sherman is weak, but that's solved in other ways, maybe

[cedar ore]

I like the SPAs

[cosmic pilot]

All you're doing is pushing it back to the way it was before, without changing the thing that matters, which is rocket availability

[cedar ore]

I think they should just make the spread of those the same as normal arty and remove the stationary arty guns, and as Sam said, add mortars

[cosmic pilot]

If you want more rockets per person, you need less rockets per team.

[analog apex]

instead of solving the relatively unlimited ammo and uselessness of ammo boxes (because dying/redeployment = rearm), they add a rocket... well...

[worthy charm]

For real

[serene hare]

By artillery squads does that mean for the mobile artillery? Or does arty have its own separate squad coming soon?

[worthy charm]

Thats the squad for both

[cedar ore]

Defeats the whole purpose lol

[thin lotus]

WRONNNNNG. It is not the same dynamic as it was

[serene hare]

Gotcha, thank you

[cosmic pilot]

Something, something, hll is about teamwork.
Insists on being able to do everything by themselves or whine that they can't

[cosmic pilot]

Reread

And yes, I'm ignoring that more ammo for at is different for use against infantry

[analog apex]

Artillery Squad reduced from 2 to 1
Great... the arty squad has 3 members. Now 2 of them will take an SPA and the 3rd one takes the HQ arty... there we go 😄 . Logic on the usual HLL terms.

[cedar ore]

Only difference is it takes longer to kill, rather than being possible, is a heavy still 3 hit? I can’t remember, but if it is then it’s just made them more powerful if they get the engine

[worthy charm]

Which doesnt work because the observer has to be in the front for an OP

and his flare...

[cedar ore]

Oh yeah I heard the OP increases accuracy, is that a joke or actually a real thing lol

[analog apex]

this doesn't make sense. Instead of artillery squad type, they should have added** mortar squad type**, get rid of the HQ arty guns altogether and make** the armoured squads** to be able to control the SPAs. Because let's be honest... they are even tanks in HLL.

[worthy charm]

Tanks squad dont have OPs tho

so they would have to remove that part of SPAs

[analog apex]

I wouldn't mind if they did

[cedar ore]

Yeah I think they should

[worthy charm]

I think you would, the accuracy with OP even on 500m is insane

[cedar ore]

It’s unnecessary

[cosmic pilot]

The op thing is the devs trying to experiment. However, it's as tone deaf as the "tinker" load out.

[worthy charm]

You do not want that, especially because it kills your garrisions

[cedar ore]

It’s actually a thing???

What a joke lmao

[worthy charm]

Its weird but good for balancing SPAs imo

[cedar ore]

Thank you, it’s my cat

Ragdoll

[cedar ore]

I guesss

It’s just a strange way to do it

[worthy charm]

They got a 200, radius and without them they are very inaccurate.

But yes its very strange

[cosmic pilot]

It's not really coherent design though.
Reusing OPs for a new function for only a specific squad type is convoluted and inconsistent design.

It'd need to be a new structure called something else

Repurposing the OP is weird

[cedar ore]

Rightttt, so if I fire onto an objective, it reduces the radius to 200?

[analog apex]

Supply crate added to Mechanic loadout for Crewman
Like... for real?

[cedar ore]

What for 😭😭

[cosmic pilot]

I don't think it's set in stone, but it's funny they're trying it

[analog apex]

likely so they can build the ammo depot by themselves... without need of the team - that goes against everything HLL ever was

[past veldt]

Satchel availability is the real issue.

Having more rockets + more health still makes tanks stronger than they were before

[analog apex]

I think so.

[worthy charm]

Nope, it basicly hits where you aim if your target is in your 200m radius around your OP.

[past veldt]

Hitting 3 rockets in a row is harder than 2 rockets in a row

[analog apex]

if they will have it on cooldown like Support class does, they can build both in 5 minutes.

[worthy charm]

2 rockets still kill the engine tho

[cosmic pilot]

I said it pushes the balance against tanks back to what it was before, but it's not the same.
More rockets also means more uses against infantry and spawn points.

So less balanced than before

[cedar ore]

Oh interesting

[thin lotus]

number of rockets available to an AT player isn't a linear relationship to how many hits it takes to destroy the tank

[past veldt]

Stop shouting chum

[thin lotus]

lol idk what that was

[cosmic pilot]

He's chumming

[cedar ore]

Jumpscare where did my reaction go this is completely wrong 💔

[analog apex]

hell... when they will rotate through the crewman class, they can build both repair station and ammo depot very fast

[past veldt]

It's the # making it bold

[thin lotus]

ive learned something

[worthy charm]

Also Im biased, but even I think giving crew men supplies and a wrench for a repair station is a bad idea.

[analog apex]

Now I know it for sure - the current HLL devs have no clue what HLL is supposed to be even today.

[cosmic pilot]

You're not crazy

[past veldt]

this one as well I think

and this

maybe this

[worthy charm]

Why are we removing necessary teamplay?

[past veldt]

Ahh boooo

[cedar ore]

I’m fine with being able to build repair stations, they don’t seem to really be an issue tbh, it’s more the supplies

[cosmic pilot]

Something, something, listening to player feedback

[analog apex]

this 💯
the tank crews will now become totally independant of the team, they won't need engineers, they won't need anybody to give them boxes

[past veldt]

I'd like to see Bazooka have 3 rockets and Panzershreck have 2

German rockets are already far superior

[worthy charm]

The thing is someone has to have said that somewhere...
I would like to know who and where.

[worthy charm]

I want to talk to them...

[past vortex]

the arty strike was already not worth it after the previous nerf and now much less, shame many commanders didnt get the memo :}

[oak current]

the prestige of using 3 arty strikes

[analog apex]

they are not joking, OMG

[worthy charm]

The flex

[analog apex]

the devs have gone insane, it's official

[oak current]

if you use arty strike now, you can just FLEX on the enemy 😄

[past vortex]

they are

[silk igloo]

okay, confess. which ones of you mfs gave them the feedback to make these changes

[cosmic pilot]

Is that 1,250 or 1.250

[worthy charm]

I said it before just give us one big bomb for 1k
now look where we are

[thin lotus]

you are now remembering there is freelook in the game

[worthy charm]

There was a guy spamming it under every steam blog for years

[past vortex]

i do

[thin lotus]

console moment

[oak current]

to my surprise, quite a few people - which I would have never thought 😄 😄

[cosmic pilot]

Well no, they've constantly shown a lack of backbone since they reversed the run speed changes

[past veldt]

@fluid pawn can we get some rationale behind the arty strike cost change? It has just completely destroyed that ability

1125 munitions for like 30 shells or whatever it is

[past vortex]

that IS the point, question is just why they didnt just take it out

[analog apex]

ok, it seems the closest after U19 month I will be playing KCD2... there is the newest and last DLC - definitely waaaay better than playing this 💩 when I will be able to help it

[cosmic pilot]

It's probably a typo

[analog apex]

the HLL devs don't understand HLL

[analog apex]

I hope so... because even if they would want to increase the cost, maybe 125->175 but not 375

[past vortex]

you cant understand a game you never play

[cosmic pilot]

Not the way I would frame the issue

[worthy charm]

36

[past vortex]

the sad thing is: many commanders will and then be oout of ammo

[worthy charm]

Still not worth it

[proud zenith]

Whats the reasoning behind giving anti tank more anmo when you just increased the amount of rockets it takes to kill a tank, it's a bit counterproductive and it doesn't promote team play between the supports and AT @fluid pawn

[past veldt]

Just 31.25 munitions per shell

[past vortex]

its a steal

[analog apex]

31... opposing to the 3 cost of the current HQ arty HEs

[cosmic pilot]

And it can't even destroy garrisons like it should

[worthy charm]

Exactly what I thought... Especially because the engine still takes the same amount of hits as pre U18

[silk igloo]

31 munitions for one shell. Cheaper to just make a new SPA and have the old one blow up when it runs out of ammo

[past veldt]

Contrarian povs to show you're a bad player is a wild stance

[worthy charm]

Slightly more expensive that HQ arty

[past vortex]

if you have to ask you cant afford it :}

[idle bolt]

when is waiting for rocket ammo even a thing as at in practice? go respawn

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on hedgerow maps

[past veldt]

2019-2025 inflation on in game mechanics

[analog apex]

I would have hoped they would decrease the price and cooldown of the way unreliable precision strike at least

[dim snow]

Unpopular opinion: they should remove the new artillery strike ability

[silk igloo]

on the bright side, rocket artillery will be more feasible now

[past veldt]

I respect the realism the developers are putting in to show how bad wartime economies can be

[dim snow]

It’s ridiculous especially when you’ve got experienced enemy arty squads

[dawn tiger]

seems a bit early for an april fools update

[proud zenith]

This update as a whole is gonna kill Hll's teamwork aspect at this rate, with the tinkerer now also getting sup boxes

[thin lotus]

Arty in general, -in any and all of its forms in HLL, should not be as frequent as it's been

[past vortex]

maybe there wont be another until then ?

[worthy charm]

Not worth currently its only on dev branch

But Im gonna be mad anyway...

[dim snow]

Imagine a game without artillery

Would be absolute heaven

[cosmic pilot]

🤖

[proud zenith]

Next TCs are gonna get a pocket watch🤣

[analog apex]

the same as the bombing runs. But this change will make the CMDs to keep using just the bombings again. Bombings can also kill the garries.

[thin lotus]

There's too many ways of being blown up from an explosive being sent from the sky. And it's taking even more players essentially off the field to man them. The game needs to stop making arty so prevalent.

[dawn tiger]

probably got their dates mixed up, it happens

[nova pivot]

Make the spa spg and remove arty entirely

Problem solved

[worthy charm]

There is a new feedback form people!!!
Use it more than the last one please!

[cosmic pilot]

I am a free thinker

[nova pivot]

No you are not

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-sigh-zoro-movie-sigh-zoro-tired-gif-2602522714173654897

[analog apex]

Bleicher Junge! Hi there! 🤩

long time no see

oh, he stopped typing 😮

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/yuzuaihara-meiaihara-citrus-anime-manga-gif-22545530

[worthy charm]

He saw you and ran away.
:}

xD

[nova pivot]

Fr

[past vortex]

lol

[past veldt]

It's why making it a CMD ability was a good idea. Like a 2s click for 1 person rather than taking 20 people out of the game to stop rng deaths

[cosmic pilot]

Plus, it has a defined duration that's relatively short

[past veldt]

I don't even think SPGs are that bad considering how weak they are to RVs

[thin lotus]

I was all for it being a commander ability. Devs dont have the sack to remove HQ arty completely.

[analog apex]

Bombings vs the new CMD arty - less expensive, more accurate +can destroy the garries. What could be the reason to use the CMD arty now?

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sack-donald-trump-trump-gif-12607502

[past veldt]

TBF, bombing runs are hilariously bad too

[worthy charm]

DEVS SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, I AGREE WITH CHUM!!!

That how bad it is now

[past veldt]

Oh no, they put the garrison behind a 6ft wall in the corner and now it's impervious to big explosions 2ft from it

[worthy charm]

What timeline is this?

[past vortex]

with arty squad limit at one each team has to dedicate one arty hunting squad
then probably an arty protection squad :}
then maybe a 2nd arty hunting squad.....
:D

[past veldt]

Just use the three rockets provided to hit it from 740/960m

[idle bolt]

well only need to shoot it with a tank from half a map away every 5 mins

[analog apex]

about that - they need to add some spread+sway to the rocket launchers so it wouldn't be possible to rocket snipe for longer than 100m distances

[cosmic pilot]

In principle, you could have a deep battle play style, but the majority of the population does not want to play that way.
So anything that encourages it from a design perspective is bad design for hll.

[past veldt]

Some skill expression is good. RNG is generally bad

The rocket sniping is probably okay, imo

[analog apex]

not in this case

[past vortex]

yea some comp matches have complete frontlines

[cosmic pilot]

Rocket sniping is okay, but cmd arty killing garrisons isn't?

[idle bolt]

yeah until the red garry goes up

[worthy charm]

Honestly some rng for the guns maybe a good change... The laser guns are crazy actually

[cosmic pilot]

Don't mention comp to me

[past veldt]

One requires some amount of skill and knowledge, the other does not

[analog apex]

I would agree with you if HLL had larger maps like milsims where one wouldn't be able to predict where the enemy is going to be or where & when exactly an enemy transport trucks will go at the start

but HLL has too small maps for that and such thing possible, is making it abuse

[past veldt]

4 flares in the experimental branch now so redzone stuff is completely dead

[worthy charm]

The NCO loadout can be played, if they havent changed that...

[idle bolt]

even if you see stuff you have to go kill them

[past veldt]

I've never once had my garrison prep pre-sniped

[worthy charm]

People dont play the dev. branch anyway

[past veldt]

It's possible to vary stuff enough it's fine

[proud zenith]

This is the best way to get their attention guys. Get on it

[past veldt]

Same with trucks. Timing variation etc exists

[analog apex]

it doens't matter - it shouldn't be possible. Rocket launchers were not used like that. Mortars were used for that purpose.

[cosmic pilot]

The require the same knowledge. Ine is essentially resource free.

[past veldt]

Not really.

Rockets have a far smaller explosion radius and deal less damage.

I've never once had my garrisons blind sniped, but the new arty commander ability would absolutely be able to do it with ease

[thin lotus]

lol at those thinking that 'rocket sniping' is a legitimate issue

[analog apex]

Rocket sniping is a garbage the comp scene came with because the devs were too dumb to add some realistic variation into the aiming accuracy of the rocket launchers.

[worthy charm]

Does rocket sniping even happend outside of comp?

[idle bolt]

doesn't even happen in comp (anymore much) with the arty being untouchable

[past veldt]

If you can't see the difference between someone having some game knowledge and skill to hit something with precision, compared to some guy able to click a button and spam an area with explosions....

You're not sane

[analog apex]

comp players sometimes do it in the pubs - they sit on top of the transport truck and are aiming for the enemy one

[analog apex]

that kind of skill was not possible in real life, hence shouldn't be in game either

[past vortex]

ofc

[past veldt]

Some teams will use it to shut down certain OP spots.

The trenches going into WN7 for example

[thin lotus]

teleports behind real life

[analog apex]

I knew this one was just a question of time 😄

[past veldt]

It's not a realistic game so your argument is flawed immediately

[thin lotus]

"b-b-but irl" isn't an advocate for game design

[past veldt]

Skill and knowledge expression is okay to have in a video game

[analog apex]

laser accurate rocket sniping is going against the game's specifics either

[cosmic pilot]

That can be fixed by requiring a direct hit.

Instead of killing from 20m aoe

[past vortex]

its not rare when you are in a good squad where everyone is racing to 1000 combat score for the SL to say: just spotted that rally at 300m, AT take it out :}

[past veldt]

Sure, but then you're adding an unexplained caveat to the game again, which is also bad

[worthy charm]

ok...

Never seen it

[idle bolt]

that is the hill to die on?

[analog apex]

huh?

Hill400

xD

[thin lotus]

laser accurate shooting with a computer mouse as a representation of handling the same weapons irl isn't possible either.

[silk igloo]

lining up a 100% accurate shot to a 100% accurate ping is not skill either. it's memory and matching pixels

[past veldt]

Visual snipes from 300m is barely a rocket snipe like what we are discussing.

Comp stuff is far more about finding something and getting someone across the map to hit it

[past vortex]

yea ik

[past veldt]

If 99% of players can't do it...

[analog apex]

laser accurate is however so easy because of the ADS zoom - without it one wouldn't be able to see the distant target clearly, not alone hitting it with every subsequent repeated semi-auto shot

[cosmic pilot]

What's to explain.
Arty not destroying garrisons by extension is an unexplained mechanic

[past veldt]

Besides, there is some map knowledge to take into account. Walls, trees etc

[past veldt]

And then explain that oh but actually if it's a direct hit it counts, but not for normal arty

Oh but the explosion radius of the bombing runs and tanks do count

[thin lotus]

delay it another year to get this perfected

[past veldt]

But strafing run direct hits don't count

[cosmic pilot]

They effect similar outcomes.
Why is "skill" with no cost better than some skill with any cost.

[past veldt]

There is previously zero skill in cmd arty abilities. Just a small amount of knowledge.

Rocket snipes require more skill and more knowledge

Easy to get your head around if you're not purposely contrarian

[cosmic pilot]

Why is the outcome ok for rocket snipping with no cost

[silk igloo]

doubt they've ever bothered. i dont bother either much, i just eyeball it from vague memory.

[past veldt]

Did you read my message?

[cosmic pilot]

I did.

[past veldt]

So you know it's not the outcome I care about

[thin lotus]

why do you keep saying "no cost"? The "cost" is the players' ability to actually do the thing that you're claiming is an 'issue'

[cosmic pilot]

You should care about the outcome

[fallen ravine]

It requires positioning, aim, map object knowledge
As opposed to the click of a button on the map

[silk igloo]

I suppose it's the same as people not bothering with playing support or officer. Eagerness, rather than skill.

[cosmic pilot]

That's not a material cost of in-game resources

[thin lotus]

So? Shooting your weapon in game doesn't "cost" any materials either

[past vortex]

lets have ammo costs for small arms
maybe 10 per mag?

[cosmic pilot]

If something costs in-game resources then it's limited by purposeful design choices and frequency can essentially be controlled

[thin lotus]

is that the only form of skill to be expressed?

[past veldt]

Being able to remove spawns is a good outcome

[cosmic pilot]

Agreed

[past veldt]

But it shouldn't be easy

[analog apex]

here we go, limited amount of ammunition per each squad, ammunition stored locally in the squad's stats

[cosmic pilot]

And I'd rather the frequency be controlled by the cost and limitations of a commander ability.

[past veldt]

And if it is easy, it should be expensive or difficult

You can just move the garrison like 10m and people suddenly won't hit it with rockets

[worthy charm]

Its dark outside and cold outside...

[past veldt]

A small skill and knowledge expression by a good commander

[analog apex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1438949118151098540/Deployment_screen_-_Copy.jpg?ex=6918bd4c&is=69176bcc&hm=18425d814169325d1fa615ea69ab2af5c477535df2e9e9a137657446fbc0b06b&=&format=webp&width=506&height=960

[thin lotus]

the concept of game balancing is lost on so many HLL players

[nova pivot]

What is that?

[analog apex]

a concept image (Photoshop)

[fallen ravine]

A handicap needs their crutch

[thin lotus]

looks like a weird and cumbersome idea about squad ammo pools

[silk igloo]

i'd rather the skill be in maneuvering and tool use against enemy players rather than gamey fiddling with spawns. it's not intuitive, taking a hill to construct a big gun on it to destroy the enemy with is

[analog apex]

every magazine, every grenade and other equipment would cost different prices and decrease those squad's ammo storage numbers

[worthy charm]

Can you do one for SPAs without turret?

Please 🥺

[analog apex]

and to fight the drain of the squad's ammo, to use the ammo boxes that would provide "free" rearms (and remove limitation of 1x ammo box usage per life ofc.)

[worthy charm]

It bugs me that it still shows a normal turret with 360 turn option

[thin lotus]

choreplay

chore·play
noun, elements that only serve to waste the players time in attempts to give the impression that the gameplay is somehow improved or deepened with its addition

"Have you noticed how stupid the choreplay is in this game?"

[analog apex]

fortunately it doesn't apply to that 😜

[thin lotus]

ammo pools? absolutely choreplay

[analog apex]

you seem to be losing it with going that far

[thin lotus]

the only thing im losing with that suggestion is my ammo

[analog apex]

I know... realism has only certain level, but... to call a natural limitation of ammo a choreplay... is a bit extreme

[fallen ravine]

Look in the mirror bro

[analog apex]

doesn't work... I always see you two there 😄

[fallen ravine]

Yeah you’re losing it

[analog apex]

if you guys are against a thing that should come without saying, I would be searching for the problem elsewhere ☝️

unlimited ammo... great way, truly 😄

death = reward, yeah

truly epic

[worthy charm]

We would have needed a change years ago...

Now its far to late sadly

[analog apex]

yeah... but we see - they are changing some stuff like adding new squad type. That was unthinkable before this.

so never say never

[worthy charm]

Kinda true

[analog apex]

the same like with touching the HQ arty removal

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[analog apex]

yep, they should finish it and get rid of the 3rd one as well... and bring the mortar squads

[oak current]

have to say though...the commander will soon need a new UI rework

cause its..SO much stuff he has now

[analog apex]

yeah, too many stuffs

[oak current]

scrolling through ammo-abilities is crazy

just keeps going

[analog apex]

scrolling isn't the best way of getting to the thing he wants to get to

ah you said it too yeah

[oak current]

could have the map further left and have two coloumns on the right

...or an overall rework of the commander ui

[analog apex]

1st click - select the resource, for instance fuel, 2nd click select the spawn whatever vehicle

and the CMD UI should be also showing the current cooldown timers for each power

[silk igloo]

Would it be a hassle if the commander had to click on mun/man/fuel menus to see whats in one? Less than scrolling in the submenus, I think

[oak current]

for the ressource changes, you could just have one convert: click "popup with what ressource you want" into "popup with what ressource you give"

"Exchange Ressources" Button

[thin lotus]

the only QOL updates you get is how fire sprites look

[silk igloo]

BF6 made me hate the idea of extra clicks because I have to press things 5 times for no reason

[oak current]

imagine if you could PIN abilities

a little banner, where you just have your go-to things and you click them

[analog apex]

tha'ts not a QoL though

[worthy charm]

@analog apex If I dont get my Changed SPA UI than can you make a new command UI for me to see? 🥺

I can bribe you with HLL DLCs

xD

[analog apex]

that would be a waste of money :/

[thin lotus]

that's the joke, they've done it

[analog apex]

yeah, really 😄

I guess they are capable of calling anything a QoL now

[thin lotus]

I've mentioned "clicks" here before. It's more important for QOL than most realize

Something even like number of clicks to get an OP placed, or things marked. It all adds up

[analog apex]

I would take such QoL, that when I click a button or click when holding a weapon, that the button click gets actually registered and that my gun actually fires. Today, there is always a chance they wont. Missing spawnwaves because of it or targets in case of the weapon.

it's so annoying when even the mouse clicks do not reliably register in HLL

most basic function and they haven't been able to get it right

[cosmic pilot]

Switching weapons is ping dependant.

[harsh egret]

Oh Lord, don't give them any ideas. Next thing they'll be reworking the UI that already is broken enough as it is.

[cosmic pilot]

Some various other player functions are also that other games might client side predict but eh

[harsh egret]

I love getting hard locked as an SL trying to boot some micless blueberry running around playing CoD, with the prompt stuck on my screen and no inputs recognized so I have to leave and rejoin.

[analog apex]

sadly

but at least we know when the server is crashing 😄

[past vortex]

ben made it clear that the game has no qol problems whatsoever

and judging from the majority of feedback/rants he is absolutely right

[thin lotus]

"We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"

[wheat forum]

Is it just me, or does the SPA have a shell with a velocity of 50-100 m/s?

[analog apex]

maybe even slower 😄

[past veldt]

If you want to see what too many clicks does to a game, go read the reviews for FM26

[analog apex]

it always depends when and how the extra clicks are implemented

if they are unnecessary, ofc it's bad. If they are justified, nope.

[worthy charm]

Slower

Or?

50m/s might be correct

[wheat forum]

He's actually setting off fireworks ^^

[worthy charm]

I would never

[nova pivot]

When roadmap

🛣️ 🗺️

[worthy charm]

[nova pivot]

Nah

I want it the day after update 19

[worthy charm]

The second

the floppa after U19

[nova pivot]

I like how you think

That is why we are engaged❤️

@worthy charm 💏

[worthy charm]

oWo

[past vortex]

willes will have to pay for those little furries

[worthy charm]

I have a better solution

[past vortex]

:O

[worthy charm]

😋

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-flop-floppa-hi-mia-gif-19431339

Anyway, polarbear is not invited to the wedding, she scares me

You're not invited either, you can go with her for a drink.

No

I'm marrying William

Yes

No idea

But I call him Willes, William, willhelm, Willems...

Nah

Because no

I'm sorry frend life is hard

My William isn't agressive at all

Who likes the french? Lol

That makes me like the french

I like anyone that hates the french

I love how we can speak about hating France without being banned

Imagine if we were hating other type of people

Nah, even the mods hate the french

[slate mango]

They be rioting every 10 seconds cause they hate themselves 🥀

[nova pivot]

I like Italy

[slate mango]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-astartes-turn-astartes-turn-warhammer-40k-space-marine-warhammer-40k-astartes-space-marine-turn-gif-15925912834426228665

[nova pivot]

We are southeuropean brothers, same with the Portuguese

[slate mango]

Same with Germany

[nova pivot]

We have to be together in our poverty

Isn't that called a queen?

[empty steppe]

Real

Besides there guns

[nova pivot]

No

Heresy

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-monty-python-expects-unexpected-sass-gif-5284798

[molten sail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1182396554250813452/1216379905214779482/attachment.gif

[empty steppe]

Bros cooked

[covert elbow]

Oh they actually gave AT more rockets

But did they give it to all of them? I’ve always had the caveat that it only be for the US

[glossy echo]

Maybe make Panzer Faust stronger with 2 rockets

[covert elbow]

That’s been my argument. Plus it follows IRL values

Bazooka still needs a buff though. It can pretty easily penetrate most of the tanks in game

[glossy echo]

It could work

[dim snow]

A good question here. Where did that annoying kedo go? Did he get banned?

[daring zealot]

Guys guys, can someone please do something about akame, always hacking in the official servers for the last 2 weeks

[nova pivot]

Yes, executed

[covert elbow]

He was finally banished to the dark zone for his crimes

[covert elbow]

Simply shoot them

But seriousy there should be a way to report him on steam and somewhere here

[molten sail]

the goat pal

[velvet linden]

is there a hotfix 3 feedback channel?

[novel geyser]

what was the final nail in the coffin for kedo

[worthy charm]

yes

[worthy charm]

As if thats a mystery

[nova pivot]

When is the roadmap being released?

[worthy charm]

They delay it by one day everytime you ask.

[novel geyser]

when pacific

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[novel geyser]

[nova pivot]

Nah

[novel geyser]

when burma

[nova pivot]

👍

I hope it is on the next roadmap

What about the roadmap?

The one of the game where there are roads and a map

I'm going to get back to my usual name enough demanding the roadmap for today

[worthy charm]

Im going to flop you

[nova pivot]

Yes please

[cosmic pilot]

I bet it was homophobia.

[hazy owl]

What does that even mean?

[zealous linden]

It’s also used as a suffix for dislike (obviously)

[past vortex]

you should rather flop the troll

stop it patrick dorf you are scaring him

[slate canopy]

Why?

[worthy charm]

I would like to be the mod of the year 2025 as well.

-# /s

[past vortex]

there are no useful mods here tho

[worthy charm]

:{

[past vortex]

yea its sad

[cosmic pilot]

I would rule the mess hall with an iron fist

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-floppa-sad-it's-over-rain-gif-2614335113295818251

[cosmic pilot]

You flopped yourself

[nova pivot]

There is one

[gentle lintel]

. ban @ huk

Srry wrong channel

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/qX0ZhETvpq7.gif

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/rLnxu5gm9cB.gif

[empty steppe]

Willes is useful

for making jokes

[nova pivot]

@worthy charm 🤣

[hazy owl]

I was unable to test that but is there the possibility that each Artillery unit member can drive and fire shells?
Is there the possibility that one member is using static arty and the other two are sitting in SPAs each being able to fire?

[worthy charm]

Want me to do it again?

[nova pivot]

Yeah go ahead

[worthy charm]

It is possible

Everyone can do everything as long as they are in the arty squad.