mess-hall

[surreal gyro]

foreel

[harsh egret]

Welcome to Crash Let Loose. First time?

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-test-gif-23353939

[surreal gyro]

my potato pc isnt made for this game

[nova pivot]

Can you put a reaction please?

[sturdy quarry]

oo does that mean other SPA are shown if US / brit maps?

[faint glacier]

The number of @ Everyones man....its actually killing me

[woven lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-down-volume-mute-volume-gif-14268149

[harsh egret]

Don't worry. This game isn't made for most of our hardware, apparently. Especially consoles.

[woven lynx]

yay.. gta vi in 30fps…

[glossy echo]

What is the SPA for the factions?

[analog apex]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-the-professional-norman-stansfield-every-one-every-thing-ryuko-gif-25654661

[fluid pawn]

done

[worthy charm]

Dont ping the poor guy even more 😭

[ionic lichen]

So who's gonna be first to play in this?
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe

[fluid pawn]

Last one sorry. I'll be using the @ hll news one moving forward🫡

[analog apex]

I didn't, I toggled off the pinging... unlike here in your case 😄

[river sigil]

just go back in time to the real war at this point

[worthy charm]

SO THATS THE REASON YOUR ANSWERS NEVER PING ME!!!

[analog apex]

sometimes... I ping only when I feel it's a message worthy of coming back to or when I see the person hasn't been active for a while

or when too many people are making too many messages at a time and my reply could easily get lost in the mess for the targeted recepient

[novel geyser]

cant change the time of day on the explore maps 💔

really wanted to free cam through night smolensk

[analog apex]

and can't turn off the dynamic weather in general... which is something that annoys me - I want to explore, see stuff from above from afar, but no... in less than 5 minutes all is foggy

[forest furnace]

You wanna tell that if the game is on HDD, then it won't load?

[finite berry]

Yes.

[worthy charm]

Possibly it wont load

[river rover]

It is well known to cause the error and has for several years. As each update comes out the assets are becoming more and more and it ends up timing out which is what causes the error. Some may still be lucky enough to have it work but for a long while now it's just best to move to SSD. So what might have worked for some for the first few years stopped working a couple years back. The 2 items I gave were the most well known fixes for "Lost Connection To Host", before the U18 update. They've now fixed most of those but the original will still cause the error.

[forest furnace]

Game is on HDD. Before latest updates was on SSD. I moved it on hdd because of free space,

[finite berry]

Then put it back on SSD?

[cedar ore]

hull MG on the sherman SPA doesnt seem to work

[forest furnace]

Aha, ok, that makes sense, thanks

[river rover]

It's best to only use regular HDD for storage and not for gaming. Same holds true for OS.

[finite berry]

Nowadays, HDDs only should get used to store data; they are too slow to handle modern games

[forest furnace]

Need to free up the space then 😄 but yeah, thanks for advice

[pulsar marten]

Anyone else game crashing alot after the update ?

[analog apex]

all were crashing a lot even before the today's hotfix... you're saying it's crashing now even more? 🥶

[finite berry]

Hasn't the hotfix come out by now?

Yeah, it is

And people are still crashing? lol

[cosmic pilot]

First of all, no solicitation.
Second of all, how much is it?

If it's sub $400 🤔

[sturdy quarry]

for me vehicle rubber banding is worse after hotfix 3

[cosmic pilot]

HLL in VR

HLLVR

[frail sonnet]

dudes, is there a way to enter exp branch from epic games?

[cosmic pilot]

No, peasant.

[analog apex]

nope

[wind shore]

Is there a TL:DR version of where to place nodes?

[novel geyser]

The BAR bipod in the test branch isnt gonna be for both auto rifleman and machine gunner when the updates out right?
Should be machine gunner only

[nova pivot]

Make a feedback post

[past veldt]

tl;dr - doesn't matter

[wind shore]

Just place = free xp?

[past veldt]

ofc there are actual reasons to do certain things. Like, further back so they are safer

but yeah, just build them

Should frame them as being necessary for an effective commander game, rather than being for XP though 🙂

[novel geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1438241455570419814

[wind shore]

Blame the servers with level cap.

This game has to have biggest gatekeeping I've ever seen

[past veldt]

Not really, but sure

[wind shore]

Level 50 this, mic only that, x language only sheet

[silk igloo]

Depends on if your teammates want to use the buffs or not. Even if you do use them to great effect, someone will complain that they should be further back in safety

Munitions node buff isn't that relevant though since you can always redeploy to get more ammo.

[past veldt]

Manpower node buff isn't that relevant because you can just switch with someone else

[nova pivot]

Nodes are an horrible mechanic

[past veldt]

Do you not like chores?

[sturdy quarry]

game is only fun with a team with good comms, so yes mic and same language suprisingly

[silk igloo]

I think it'd be far more easier and efficient to just have one manpower node near the front. Hard pressed to get one support, let alone two.

[nova pivot]

I like them, I mean free xp, but they are poorly implemented

[wind shore]

It is fun solo. What is not fun is forcing a certain way on someone.

[sturdy quarry]

you are not forced to pick that server

[past veldt]

If you can't get two inf with a microphone in your squad, i'd just leave the server

[silk igloo]

I'd rather keep playing support and use the manpower node rather than switch around. And redeploying might keep me dead for even ~~ 50~~ 60 seconds, plenty of time to miss an airhead or such

[wind shore]

And I only play solo, mostly to just get kills and have fun. There is ofc a moderate effort for to play the objective with other people.
But if you want me to look for a squad on discord, get a mic (which I can't because people are sleeping close to me) and coordinate like sweat tryhard no piss off I'm not doing that.

[sturdy quarry]

who is talking about a squad on discord when the squad comms is baked into the game?

its a game designed around teamwork, hence one role places supply box whilst others build etc

so most people want to play as a team

[chrome bane]

If that onion ring I’m picking up

[nova pivot]

I understand, but I don't respect it. Battlefield might be a better game for you.

But feel free to play however you want, I'm just trying to help you and the other players in that game.

[sturdy quarry]

all he has to do is pick any server than doesnt have mic / same language in the rules...

[wind shore]

*Battlefield/Cod Recomendation Bingo X
I knew someone would say it.

[sturdy quarry]

yet is whinging anyway

[nova pivot]

Yeah

You know what you are doing

[wind shore]

More power to you if you like to play it that way.
I don't

[sturdy quarry]

if ppl around you are sleeping, use ping wheel

problem solved

[wind shore]

I do

[nova pivot]

As long as the officer knows you can hear him, it's usually enough.

[past veldt]

If you're looking for kills, then playing the objective is better than not anyway

Stay in cap sectors, go where enemies are, get kills. Probably the most effective player on the field in a pub game by successfully doing those three things

[silk igloo]

Stay away from friendly players and you'll get all the kills for yourself when you inevitably stumble on an enemy flank attempt. Rather go in as a squad though, away from other squads.

[sturdy quarry]

ok so what is your point again?

same language sever = you can understand what they say to you

mic only = explain ppl sleeping but you can hear and understand them, will use ping wheel and squad chat

level restrictions = for your own good so you dont get kicked for lack of teamwork / comms

[covert basalt]

Can someone give me the link for dmt please?

[hazy owl]

Build them farthest from your first cap point and so they are still within the first sector. That means you need to drop 3x supply box, ask for supply drop or drop supplies with the Supply Truck as soon as you can entering the second sector so you have 50m to build them in the first. You also want to build them further apart so they can't be blown by a single satchel.

Nodes would disappear just like spawns when enemy captures that sector. It is important to build it in the first sector so you don't lose them unless destroyed when the enemy captures your second last point.

[blazing nacelle]

the age old question of "why do people cheat at anything"

[solar slate]

i remember when griefer was the green pickaxe man destroying your walls in ace of spades

[rich locust]

Flies over entire void in bedwars

I just speed bridge so fast the blocks don't appear visually i swear

What if i created a platform that (legally) distributed all the games on steam for free

[wind shore]

Will there be more more North Africa maps?

Because life is pretty tough with only 2 maps and few servers running them

[worthy charm]

Probably yes, but Smolensk is the last map we know of

for now

But im sure we will get the roadmap soon.

Nervous laugh

[nova pivot]

Did u said roadmap ??!?!?

[covert elbow]

And by soon you mean late January at the earliest

[silk igloo]

realistic el alamein, just mostly flat sand and rocks, with a dust storm obscuring everything past 500m. they could do that in a week

[covert elbow]

And March/ May at the latest

But hey, maybe the devs prove me wrong and release the roadmap in August

[nova pivot]

Average T17 move

[worthy charm]

My hopes are that we get it before April this time

[covert elbow]

We probably won’t

It’s going to be the same song and dance as last year

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-sbso-sbsp-wacky-gif-10150404673915756358

[covert elbow]

They don’t know what to do, spend 5 months figuring out what to do, release the roadmap, spend a month working on the new stuff, make new map, rinse and repeat

There to focused on Vietnam right now. I guarantee you there’s like less then 20 people working on this game

I have a strong feeling

[worthy charm]

Isnt that still the same amount as with BM? 😅

[covert elbow]

Yea but they were working full time and had some passion at least

[thin lotus]

A 2026 roadmap published in March with half of the stuff we already knew was coming lmaoooooo

[covert elbow]

Plus they were just making maps and some weapons. Not reworking game systems

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[thin lotus]

Do it again!

[covert elbow]

Yea lmao

That was funny stuff

And all the “reworks” have flopped

This game should just be put out of its misery at this point

[worthy charm]

Tank rework is great dont change my mind

[covert elbow]

Wish I knew how to develop games or could be a game director

[covert elbow]

It’s eh. They leaned way into the current system

It should have been expanded modules and the like

The fact that AT also wasn’t touched is crazy to me

[worthy charm]

It was?

They did change the damage on both satchel and rockets

[covert elbow]

On the tanks themselves

[clear moth]

I haven't play in a bit. What are the new changes with artillary?

[covert elbow]

They didn’t touch the launchers and satchels as a weapon

[clear moth]

Is it still a game of recon hunting artillary?

[worthy charm]

You can test it yourself

Its different now

[covert elbow]

No, now it’s a game of recon tanks or AT’s hunting arty

[covert elbow]

I’m praying these changes don’t go through. Gonna write up my review and thoughts today

[worthy charm]

Personally I like SPAs waaaaaaaaaaaay more than static arty.

Im sure would be just delete static arty and get SPAs it would be good

[covert elbow]

Or

[worthy charm]

Mortars are of the table

[covert elbow]

We make the SPA’s actual assault guns and introduce mortars

[worthy charm]

otherwise they would have announced them months ago

[covert elbow]

Like why are we doing such roundabout updates

[clear moth]

No more mortars in the future?

[worthy charm]

They can pretty much used like those now

[worthy charm]

Unknown, but I doubt it

Why change static arty, create SPAs and make a new Arty ability for commander, if you want to add mortars?

[solar slate]

because youre afraid of upsetting players

[gentle lintel]

i hope this is how i am remembered

[solar slate]

and in the process end up upsetting everyone

[worthy charm]

If we take out static arty and add mortars with 200m range I see the gameplay.

[covert elbow]

What?

[solar slate]

you have so much to live for drew

[gentle lintel]

🥹

[worthy charm]

I will remember you for funny comments. 🫂

[covert elbow]

Like I said I’m 90% sure it’s because they want mortars in Vietnam to feel “unique”

[thin lotus]

Infantry mortars would be even more redundant at this point.

[worthy charm]

Everyone is relative....

[covert elbow]

Like HLL has the arty and Vietnam has the mortars

Something like that

[worthy charm]

People who are mad are always the loudest

[glossy echo]

Wait did bipod to Bar and fg42 release?

[worthy charm]

No one joins a discord server to be positive

[solar slate]

thats such a weird way to think it could only come from a t17 executive

[worthy charm]

Only bar I think let me check

[glossy echo]

I did

[covert elbow]

Not if they remove artillery, change the current “spa’s” to assault guns (like they are), and make it so mortars have a 500m range and need constant ammunition to keep firing

[covert elbow]

Yep

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-highfive-are-you-serious-gif-5916191

[covert elbow]

Oh and isn’t it on all classes? It should just be on the MG

I swear T17 takes suggestions and only looks at the first sentence

[worthy charm]

Its the test server

still up to change

[glossy echo]

Thats literally my reaction after joining this discord

[thin lotus]

The only form of “arty” should be the commanders call-in. That’s all this game needs

[worthy charm]

Guys, please lets not be mad about something on a test server

[covert elbow]

I know

[glossy echo]

Need I video of BAR

[covert elbow]

But still I’m calling it out because it needs to be called out

[worthy charm]

Especially when we get nobody actually testing...

They already showed with the last exp branch update that they are listening to feedback

But not doing SPAs is obviously not an option anymore

[covert elbow]

Don’t care. I’m fighting tooth and nail on this

If they wanted to do SPA’s then they should have added real SPA’s

[worthy charm]

The hand is bugged

[covert elbow]

Not an entirely different type of tank

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-sigh-zoro-movie-sigh-zoro-tired-gif-2602522714173654897

You are a piece of work

[covert elbow]

Just wish the devs the put the same amount of work in the game as I do correcting them

This is all stuff that should have been seen and corrected way down the pipeline

[worthy charm]

Oh they exceeded my expectations by a lot on SPAs. That they didnt just add tanks as arty like in HQ is impressive

crazy even

[craggy steppe]

Why not? They just have to put cursor over it and press delete. Very simple.

[worthy charm]

@glossy echo

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-blank-stare-the-office-michael-scott-stare-gif-9263668

After working on them for a year thats obviously not an option

SHooo with your irony

[glossy echo]

Lets goo

[worthy charm]

Doenst have a model yet 😅

or im blind?

not sure

[glossy echo]

?

[worthy charm]

its kind of hidden

[worthy charm]

You can see it?

[glossy echo]

What? Who is blind cuz I'm pretty sure there was bipod

[glossy echo]

Yes

[thin lotus]

Wow this changes everything.
(It doesn’t change anything)

[hazy owl]

Hey are you normally able to build spawns inside Skirmish strong point?

[nova pivot]

Yes

[worthy charm]

Who even plays skirmish?

[worthy charm]

It really doesnt

but people asked for this for years. 🤷‍♂️

[solar slate]

mortars close to the cap zone add an adjacent POI that's important for both teams to fight over, it'll add depth to the game simple as

I agree the static arty and SPAs are redundant with the commander ability tho

cleanest game would result from only well implemented mortars and the cmdr arty

[glossy echo]

Doesn't*

[solar slate]

SPAs are verry unlikely to be canned at this point though so rather get them a niche at least where they contribute somewhat positively

that might yet be possible

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-confused-john-travolta-gif-16946746

[worthy charm]

Ey... thats what I keep saying

[empty steppe]

WAIT

THEY DID IT?

[worthy charm]

Scroll further up

[empty steppe]

Sooo

They did it but it’s broken

The usual

[covert elbow]

Maybe not canned but they should definitely be reassigned

The tanks aren’t even SPA’s. Their assault guns designed as bunker busters

[honest stump]

Is the only way to access the Experimental Branch thing having to wait 10mins to install it every time? Then to switch back to normal servers have to do the same? That is super annoying if that's the case. No wonder there is no one playing on the Experimental servers

[empty steppe]

I don’t understand the choice of the kv-2 for spa 💀

[covert elbow]

Any of the tanks

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/come-here-kitty-kitten-cat-cat-meme-gif-9842965060322201652

[covert elbow]

They have the damn 105mm Sherman as an SPA

Literally none of these tanks are SPA’s

[glossy echo]

You forgot the '

[glossy echo]

They are tanks and assault guns

[covert elbow]

Yep

They don’t make sense on principle

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/no-offense-but-i-really-don't-care-daniel-radcliffe-person-human-gif-18423471922054320409

[glossy echo]

Maybe make them into a direct fire tanks and add actual spa tanks

[glossy echo]

But I do (not)

[empty steppe]

ITS NOT A SPA

It’s a tank destroyer

“Direct fire”

😉

Or just a heavy tank

[glossy echo]

Yes

[covert elbow]

It’s the best solution as of now

It’s the most they can salvage anyways

[empty steppe]

✨Tank destroyer class✨

I swear they did no research

[solar slate]

I guess it could be cool if they were an ultra heavy tank with impervious armor on the front, really slow and a range like 200-400 meters like the real things

[glossy echo]

They could add the tanks, but I would like to see self propelled arty like Hummel and m7 priest

[solar slate]

and they would shoot what are essentially satchels

very very niche but would be kinda cinematic at least

[prime iron]

Hi

[worthy charm]

They would cost how much? 2000 fuel and you need to kick half your team?

[solar slate]

well

if they need to physically turn to properly aim sideways they are kinda balanced

just a 'f*ck this direction' machine until someone gets on one of the flanks

[compact slate]

hello

[solar slate]

altho i guess american and soviet model ingame arent like that

idk maybe they just diff

its all kinda messy

[compact slate]

how can i play with some guys together?

[solar slate]

i would prefer they screw historical realism, make them actual arty with limited direct file usability because they have an OPEN BACK so they're really vulnerable to sneaky bush monkeys and counter battery and just about anything

[compact slate]

or more like talk?

[solar slate]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1438204054369992937

[solar slate]

my link was for something else 😆

there's #pc-looking-for-unit

[compact slate]

oh ok sorry

haha lol

thank you bruv

[solar slate]

np m8

[clear moth]

Is there still static arty?

[finite berry]

Unfortunately yes, I think there is

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/bBZEP.gif

[wicked trout]

Hey , how to test the new map ?

[glossy echo]

Not able if you're on epic games

[bitter bobcat]

What was added in the update???

[late lichen]

is it just me or is no one on playing the experimental? I just joined and the server browser only listed 2 players in a match

[wicked trout]

for what ?

[glossy echo]

Cant play the map

[mint ocean]

post war overprint camo for soviets in next DLC?

also why is the Kar98k's bolt still 50% clipping inside of the rifle's receiver? It's been over three years and it hasn't been fixed

why do the soviets have a cossack uniform?

becoming more historically inaccurate sure is holding out well

[dusty bolt]

Smolensk Night is sick

[covert elbow]

It’s technically WW2 but it’s use was incredibly limited

Just another case of “this looks cool” uniform additions I guess

Same with the German Ushaka

[novel geyser]

rather those be paid DLC than standard equipment

but yknow we need standard stuff added....

[worthy charm]

When do I get my pink luchs?

[novel geyser]

dunno but we have this

[covert elbow]

Beautiful

[gentle lintel]

Stucheneinsandwaggen

[mint ocean]

how so

[mint ocean]

those are real

it just looks very flat and badly modeled

as does the skinny vested uniform to match it

[worthy charm]

I love it

[mint ocean]

a lot of DLC things are standard things

[novel geyser]

I know but going forward they shouldnt be

[mint ocean]

the more unstandard they go the more ridiculous it will be

there already is a dual-revolver holster literal General Patton outfit

Himmler's outfit when? Or Göring's blue one

Korean war US helmet, most german helmet covers are in completely nonexistent camos, soviets with 1990s camo, etc

[novel geyser]

Depending on how much they stick with guidelines

how many people have you even seen wearing that patton outfit

[mint ocean]

ww1 soviet hat (instead of the one of similar kind used in 1939) that's based off someone's inaccurate handmade reproduction, that's also 2x the size it should be irl

[mint ocean]

one is too many

[novel geyser]

how silly they get depends on how well they can stick to a guideline

but I dont think there should be any reason for standard equipment to be DLC

[mint ocean]

they already aren't sticking to any so

[novel geyser]

Okay

so thats why they could start now

[mint ocean]

they won't the game already lost the intention of historical accuracy a year before T17 took over

and there hasn't been a single action against it, apart from T17 adding (inaccurate) desert uniforms to replace the old ones

and some more fitting tanks for africa too, which is good

[dusty bolt]

Come play Smolensk! We need more people to play to give feedback

@worthy charm do it

[worthy charm]

@ everyone? I cant

Im not that guy

[dusty bolt]

:toast:

[slate canopy]

🍞 ?

[worthy charm]

discord is so criminal

calling this emoji bread

ITS TOAST!!!

[slate canopy]

But it's a loaf of bread, not a toasted slice of bread.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

@german get this woman

[slate canopy]

Nein.

[worthy charm]

DOCH!!!

[covert elbow]

Made in 44, issued at the tail end of 45. So barely used in WW2 and was incredibly popular post war

[covert elbow]

It’s just another rare item that wasn’t actually used on any of the maps so…

[nova pivot]

Torken

[worthy charm]

Go sleep little floppa

[nova pivot]

Yes

It's actually pretty late for me

[runic gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/gen-teddie23-teddie-gif-23072418

[runic gorge]

the german ushanka was used a lot iirc

[nova pivot]

Is that a hello or a goodbye?

[runic gorge]

both

[nova pivot]

Okay

[runic gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/teddie-tambourine-playing-happy-junes-concert-gif-10181568902975313247

[nova pivot]

Goodbye

[cosmic pilot]

i would submit the feedback form, but what I write tends not to be sumarized by ai well

me: writes 800 words on concrete player interactions and expectations
ai: "he also wrote about artillery and it's effects" 🤖

for legal reasons, i'm not accusing ben of using ai to sumerize, but in this day and age it's what someone in ben's position would likely do

[obtuse dragon]

why is there a 15 GB update 😭

I mean, what does it have

[mint ocean]

source?

[mint ocean]

yes it was, and it wasn't rare at all

[covert elbow]

https://istochnik.us/camouflage-uniforms/

[covert elbow]

Where was it used?

[mint ocean]

literally everywhere in winter though much more focused on the eastern front

many different models too, native german ones, captured soviet ones with and without insignia

[covert elbow]

Is Kharkov and Stalingrad applicable?

[mint ocean]

both yes

[covert elbow]

Source on that?

I need it for the historical list

[mint ocean]

this doesn't even mention the camo in question

[mint ocean]

idk even how to give you a source, it was so common and obvious as german uniforms being feldgrau

[covert elbow]

I’ve quite litteraly never seen it before

[covert elbow]

It’s the leaf uniform pattern with a photo in the “1943 Model Summer Suit”

[mint ocean]

just google german ushanka/wehrmacht winter hat etc

[mint ocean]

it isn't, it's TTsMKK with Amoeba overprint

the normal leaf has natural leaf shapes, TTsMKK is "digital"

[covert elbow]

All I get is East German ushakas with not much info on WW2

I saw like one original photograph of an SS Officer

[mint ocean]

https://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/dba/de/search/?yearfrom=&yearto=&query=stalingrad&page=21 anyway here one pic in Stalingrad

[covert elbow]

Huh, weird

[mint ocean]

none of this?https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0f91083b974e5b77&sxsrf=AE3TifMX8UBuet1Kn6BSYnH3L_ws27JPKw:1762995002956&udm=2&fbs=AIIjpHzbIL-WxSCQuW88Shca8KVAINUmijtY8r_oCE99VVJjvYxIZt31iOGmlnxWvWIYQ32qRqspp-kwdUvxF3OkHuSAnHmSKbVB34qCFQ0Ke6jDn_N6ZOjhlm7XZf8IVrGsU63kTV6WL44mm8-drhIeMMpsEgXgoZRQ1QaoLv_1go2xT8B7o_a8gBb118sLsBRXIkXh73Hr&q=wehrmacht+winter+hat&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXkpGX9O2QAxW2OBAIHftOJR8QtKgLegQIEhAB&biw=1745&bih=835&dpr=1.1

straight up google images is pretty bad for ww2 pics anyway, you get a very limited selection of the most ultra common ones

[steady vessel]

They've managed to bring back the loadout bug in hotfix 3. I'm beyond done LOL

[civic dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/never-ending-gif-24810109

just more 63 hot hot very hotfix

hmmm.... rollback u18? 🤣

[steady vessel]

did you reply to yourself

[civic dawn]

i know

[slate canopy]

They've said it before, they don't plan on rolling back.

[civic dawn]

I know... it's all part of the plan.

[feral vine]

U19 will be ready by hotfix 20 and itll just add new bugs and crashes

[fringe hollow]

I would love if they made the KV-2 just topple sideways if the turret was turned too far and the main gun was then fired. Very historically accurate

[woven lynx]

nuh uh

only under quite specific conditions

and knowing T17, your game would probably crash every time it fell over

[deft moss]

i've never seen such a tragic ending to a good game like this with every constant update being worse than the last

[woven lynx]

some games start bad, but grow well, others start well, but grow bad

[novel geyser]

Some start bad and stay bad

[civic dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-gif-8159794441133122658

[civic dragon]

wth is that new update too

i just did the 12gb and now this

[heady hornet]

Every update since update 5 had some form of problem. So dont be that surprised.

[worthy charm]

Only U5

Thats a late start

[heady hornet]

quite frankly I barely remember U4 happening. Just new map, k bye.

[analog apex]

I wonder... how many more ineffective U18 hotfixes there going to be? 😭 I am just sad that the game I love (and hate 😄 ) is so much unstable. Even after 3 hotfixes - still fatal errors, still mass connections lost to host...

Not to mention it's been over a month since U18 already...

[worthy charm]

Its sign that you have to seed the dev branch

[analog apex]

right 😄
to seed the ||even more unstable and even more bugInfested|| devBranch

and play Smolensk only

and then wait at least 20m when switching back to normal branch
thanks, I'll pass

[livid saffron]

Can you move arty in the new update?

[worthy charm]

Yesnt

SPAs obviously move

Arty is still stuck in HQ

[livid saffron]

Hell yeah. Recon is gonna have to work overtime now

What

[worthy charm]

Ok😔

[analog apex]

not really since the recon can't do anything about SPAs - so their only and primary target will stay to camp the HQ arty when it gets active

instead of that HQ arty gun, we have needed **mortars **buildable/deployable anywhere so the recon squads can actually search for them

[worthy charm]

At this point, i will repeat myself but please kill HQ arty

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-shia-la-beouf-flame-gif-4445204

[woven lynx]

nah console players are terrible generally

[hazy owl]

Dear T17,

Could you give us a playable game over the upcoming cold months?

What I expect from U19:

• postpone SPA release (nobody asked for it nor it solves any issues with arty)
• finish and tune tank rework based on exp branch feedback
• finish Smolensk
• fix bugs introduced with U18
• mitigate client crashes
• mitigate server crashes/DDoS attacks
• finish rconV2 so it has getters for all setters and is having everything that was available in rconV1

Thank you

[worthy charm]

Huh?

They already delayed it...

And who plays tanks on the exp branch?

[hazy owl]

What did they delay? U19?

[worthy charm]

Yes?

As they said

After the original plan is already should have been out for weeks

[hazy owl]

I know that. What I mean by postponing SPA is release U19 without them. Just give us a new map, finish the tank rework and fix the major issues. I would be happy with that.

[oak current]

well, this month 😄

[worthy charm]

Isnt this month the planned release after the delay? Wasnt October the target before

[worthy charm]

What even is there to finish?

[hazy owl]

October U18, November U19

[worthy charm]

I know there are still bugs, but nothing nearly as major as with release of U18

[oak current]

no, November was target month for U19

[worthy charm]

Nah nvm then

Its still delayed...

When It comes to SPAs they are looking really good.

Except when they are a panzer 3

[hazy owl]

e.g. smoke throw yeets the tank...

[worthy charm]

#mess-hall message

Also who actually does that in a game?

Like...

Im sure half the enemy team running around trying to satchel you is a bigger thread for tanks.

[hazy owl]

I will be very surprised to see SPAs being heavily used. Zero expectations at this point. I am not excited about it. It's just meh. I was excited but now when I see for what it is. Meh.

I will be happy when proven wrong

[worthy charm]

If you say so... Im personnally impressed with SPAs, they more than exceed my expectation for what we would get.

[charred charm]

not only P3 has some issues

[worthy charm]

But again when something is to weak nobody uses it and if its to strong comp just bans it...

[worthy charm]

I havent seen any other issue... people cant be bothered to post them in https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1437538567135166555 I guess

Maybe the form is being used more...

-# I hope it is

[charred charm]

Tracks of British SPA on Alamein also buged

The KV-2 has a collision problem. When you climb onto it, it feels like you're flying through the air.

[worthy charm]

I know of that one

[hazy owl]

How about being able to build static artillery on each HQ and reduced its range to reach +- half the map and if you want to use arty offensively you need to pull out SPAs?

[worthy charm]

That is exactly how it works...

Except SPAs cant reach Enemy HQ either, but that fine imo

[hazy owl]

you can still easily reach 3rd and 4th cap point... I would limit static artillery to barely reach the 3rd cap point

[worthy charm]

Isnt 1400 meter mid HQ?

I mean I agree with you, if they want to keep Static HQ arty they have to do it like you said

-# Still would be better to let it burn in hell like it deserves, but I can live with it...

[harsh egret]

Crying about arty that has been a part of this game since day 1 is crazy work. It is one of the few games that ever did arty lovers any justice. I self taught myself how to solo on the big gun during many late lonely nights in rememberance of my grandfather who manned a Howitzer during the war and then came home and drank himself to death.

Screw t17 for butchering the game some of us loved for what it was and the ones who supported it from the start.

[hazy owl]

Static artillery for defending your points and if you want to attack you need to roll with SPAs. One artillery squad should be enough imo.

[worthy charm]

1400m is a bit on square over middle sector

[hazy owl]

And each SPA could feel differently e.g. german will be more accurate but smaller splash, the british one used to have very small reach but could have larger splash, ...

[worthy charm]

1200m would be better

[hazy owl]

the french artillery will have 4 reverse gears up to 40kmh etc

[harsh egret]

Way too late in this dying game's life cycle to be doing all this changing of core mechanics. Half of the ideas even getting thrown around anymore should be for a HLL2 if they ever do it. Fix the crashes and stutters. That is the only thing the game has ever needed first and foremost before messing with anything else or adding more stuff on top of the broken foundation.

[worthy charm]

That sounds like joke sry

[finite berry]

Just because something has been in the game since day 1 doesn't mean it's good

[hazy owl]

I allowed to entertain myself 😄

[harsh egret]

Well it's about to be a lot worse or unused now at this rate.

Worst part of the live service model of gaming was how they pitched it to us decades ago that it will be a way to fix bugs and polish it all up to make it better post-release, but what we get most of the time is this: you buy a game because you enjoy the gameplay as it was made, then one day you wake up and they turned it into a different game entirely, overnight, and changed or got rid of things you found engaging and fun.

Changing and making things different doesn't always mean better, either.

[worthy charm]

Agreed, they have to do something the Sherman 105mm has two mgs, whilst the Brummbär has none.

[finite berry]

From the perspective of an outsider, I think the best call would be to scrap static artillery in favour of a dedicated mortar squad (and light handheld mortars as a regular infantry class) and make the artillery strike a commander call-in

[harsh egret]

No offense but I'm not sure why someone who openly admits they aren't even an HLL player would have their thoughts or ideas considered by anyone. I truly mean no offense but it sounds backwards to me to say the least. Part of the problem with this game and dev team.

Some of us are day 1s who have invested heavily and are getting screwed

[cosmic pilot]

Pistol ports when

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/never-alfred-batman-gif-26337878

[worthy charm]

Some of us have different difinitions of day one

[finite berry]

Because I have arguments on why I think my approach is good and because I'm not "blinded" by nostalgia; I have a certain "distance" to HLL which allows me to have a more... rational look at it if you know what I mean

[hazy owl]

• You play with your buddies, good updates, people buy skins to support the game
• 25% of your buddies can't play the game due to crashes or broken mechanics - start playing another game
• New updates don't fix the underlying issues, add features nobody asked for
• 50% of your buddies are already playing different games, having no hope left
• You start mostly playing different games with your buddies
• YOU ARE HERE
• Communities crumble - fewer and fewer community servers are available and you are left to play on non-moderated public servers
• HLL Vietnam released and people complain that neither HLL nor HLL:V is playable
• You are sipping on your favourite bevvy posting "I told you so" memes

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/justin-bieber-morphin-gun-shoot-weapon-gif-13618119

[worthy charm]

Lets not be shocked when a 6 to 7 year old games starts dying.
The bad updates just make the whole prozess faster by maybe 25%

50% when youre lucky

[harsh egret]

Do you know how many nights I spent getting wrecked by snipers in HQ as the solo arty guy on the team and never cried about they should change it? To me, the loop on either end of it was genuinely fun and a situation you needed to adapt to and try to counter.

It was never the huge problem the whiners made it out to be. If it was that bad, you get a few guys to run security back there to defend HQ.

And in comp, none of it matters because there are rules for arty players and for recon not being allowed to kill them, etc.

There was zero reason to reinvent the wheel.

[worthy charm]

or unlucky... depends on your POV

[harsh egret]

Gold star

[harsh egret]

Fine. Sorry. Day 1 for console side.

[worthy charm]

Dorf has a gold star as well now?
@stark agate You have to fight him now

[hazy owl]

I don't think the amount of years matter..
If DICE kept working on BF4 people would be playing it in large numbers till this day..
Counter Strike is still the same game but it keeps evolving for the better or worse...
I can eat eggs every morning and not get fed up...
This is not about the age of the game...
Look at WOW players coming back to Classic as retail wow is 💩 nowdays

[worthy charm]

I would look at WOW players, but my attention span isnt nearly good enough to play or follow one game for months.

[nova pivot]

William calm down

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/amypoehler-super-chill-calm-freakingout-gif-4192689

[stark agate]

No he doesn't

I deserved it for saying something super cool and funny
He got it by listing stuff

We are not the same

[silk igloo]

4 recon + 6 artillery guys from each team would take 20 players of 100 out of the actual game. You being a weirdo that enjoys getting spawncamped is one thing, detracting gameplay is another. Although I'd also remove recon, or at least remove their ability to destroy garrisons, because their secondary meta is also completely detracting

[harsh egret]

It's bad enough that the developers clearly don't even play their own game tbh. Certainly they have never spent a single night in an xbox party of 6 or more trying to enjoy their night. They would instantly be able to see that the focus should be on fixing it so what already exists actually works consistently instead of worrying abour dynamic weather, new maps, reworking tanks, or changing arty altogether. Completely detached from reality when half the maps in the game run at 10 fps and drop to 3 fps at times before they crash sometimes multiple times per match

[harsh egret]

How is that taking people out of the game when the arty is either stopping your attack or you are dealing with them? It is literally part of the game. Makes no sense.

[vale garnet]

The reason for there being 1 arty rules was because we used to have whole squads dedicated to playing a really boring minigame off to the side of the actual match about killing and protecting arty, it was horrible and incredibly boring.

Arty does need changing, SPA just isn’t it

[silk igloo]

I'd rather have those players in the field as infantry squads or more tanks, rather than jumping through silly hoops or hunting garrisons, which is very cheap gameplay.

[harsh egret]

That's what recon's job is

I mean to each their own but I don't agree

[silk igloo]

That's what their job came to be because of the mechanics. It cant be a desirable outcome since the game was originally envisioned as a game of frontlines. In the kickstarter, the number of recon squads was limited to 1 per team too

[vale garnet]

Recon can’t kill arty if it’s defended in the way we used to, which means you then end up having to find ways to rocket snipe or cross map tank kill the arty, which in turn leads to people working to counter that and so on.

Having 6-10 guys per team just doing that, plus the 3 arty gunners each.

It was awful

[silk igloo]

Also they did make it so that garrisons in locked territory take much longer to dismantle. Even had them invulnerable at one point. Recon hunting garris clearly was not intended.

[harsh egret]

So you just rework comp rules as needed to make it fun and fair. No problem. The problem is ruining the average experience for the guys who have been playing a game for years and jump in for a game for a pub, whether or not they have friends on. I just don't like reinventing the whole wheel when people have spent years learning the ins and outs of a game.

Pushes people away and does more harm than good

[vale garnet]

Most players know nearly nothing about the game, that goes for comp players too, making arty still useful but less strong and less of an integral factor in a team winning or losing is a good thing

This game has absolutely 0 variety in how to win, pubs or comp it’s exactly the same

[harsh egret]

I stand by it this is one of the few games in existence that ever did justice for artillery enjoyers

[tribal jasper]

yo does any1 have a good tutorial i js got the game

[harsh egret]

Idk about PC but here on console the gap between blueberry pub lobbies and comp gameplay is MASSIVE.

And, yeah years into a game a lot of people who care or are diehard players have figured out the meta and it will show. That is every game with a comp aspect ever really.

[vale garnet]

The gap is huge, but the actual knowledge isn’t, your average comp player is still a moron he just knows to left lean

[harsh egret]

It will be the same thing again once all the reworks are done and everyone establishes the new meta.

[solar slate]

Good games have cyclical metas that are fun to play

[vale garnet]

Most comp players and teams don’t even understand how to actually win games

Pubs are the same just with worse aim

[silk igloo]

No doubt it did. But having realistic artillery that deals even 70% of the casualties, like in real wars, is not too fun. Maybe the answer to artillery should've been counter artillery instead of recon, but that ship sailed long ago

[harsh egret]

Most pub players don't even know how to build an OP

lol

[vale garnet]

This also applies to comp

You see more bad OPs these days than ever before in comp

[silk igloo]

Anyway, I think good arty players will enjoy SPAs very much since they will be untouchable with a good team, and they'll shred any resistance with their anti-spawn shells

[vale garnet]

SPA will suck for gameplay, the same way the infantry gameplay cycle is hurt by not having 3 rockets now, or how the devs seem to actively want us to dislike them

[cosmic pilot]

Removing the recon arty loop from the game only benefits the Normy experience

[harsh egret]

So the majority of players?

[cosmic pilot]

The damage of infantry at rockets needs to be proportional to it's availability relative to the tank.
Since the availability is basically infinite, it should do infinitely little damage per rocket.

[harsh egret]

As stated, comp has rules to negate the normie arty loop. This is a bad change for the game as a whole.

[cosmic pilot]

Not in the way you think

The devs did not remove the recon arty loop

They just added extra steps

[harsh egret]

Even more of a reason the rework sucks

[cosmic pilot]

The fundamental problem with it is it occurs too far away from the Frontline

It's my problem with recon in general

If arty is short ranged enough then you get the benefit of indirect fire but with the vulnerability to infantry from any squad

So HQ arty should be removed altogether

[harsh egret]

I might have misunderstood or misread your first statement

[cosmic pilot]

And instead it should be an indirect fire version of the at gun

Simple, already in the game asset, just stat tweaked to serve a new role

[harsh egret]

My problem is for the new normie experience, needing supplies and team assistance to build a static gun that can be destroyed easily is an issue when you can't even get someone to use a mic and drop a box for a garrison

[vale garnet]

You sound like airaparent

[cosmic pilot]

Meh

Needing supplies to build the gun is fine

[harsh egret]

Hopping on at 2 am when all the squads are full but I can still solo officer, hop on a gun, communicate and contribute to the war effort, to me that is much better for the normie experience than being SOL on my own

[cosmic pilot]

The arty squad is limited enough that you're more likely than not going to attract only the people who are interested in doing it

The arty squad has no secondary functionality

For people to ignore it's primary function

[worthy charm]

I havent read any of the above messages tbh, but needing supplies whilst you get a supplier in a 3 man squad cant be an issue can it?

[cosmic pilot]

No, it's not an issue

It's a made up issue

[silk igloo]

He's right though, in the future we cant be versatile with being able to just hop on a gun and provide fire support as needed

[harsh egret]

It shouldn't be, but we are talking about a game where people don't even use their mics in pubs or drop supplies reliably for a garrison.

Soooo yeah

[cosmic pilot]

Then the game is over in 15min and the treams get reshuffled

It's not an issue

[harsh egret]

Bro I have a hard enough time getting a supply truck or anything I need to build nodes in a pub lobby. Nine out of ten times I have to do the solo redeploy thing between support and engineer.

[worthy charm]

Thats an issue but I dont think for arty. You get 2 new special squads, which in pub game will probably we gone in the first 2 second like with recon. The people then being in these squads are either mates or there is a higher chance they know what they are doing.

It works like this with recon... I cant see why it wouldnt work with arty as well.

[silk igloo]

They could increase the limit to 3 arty squads, since you can have 2 SPAs and 1 static gun. If they meet too much angry feedback

[real parrot]

That is not really how it works

[autumn parrot]

Man Smolensk is a gorgeous map. Haven’t been able to get into a high pop game yet but I spent about 45 min wandering around and it looks incredible.

[harsh egret]

Theoretically yall are making sense, but in reality in the actual game it doesn't pan out. Hell, when I get spotter or sniper in a pub, I would say at least 85% of the time the other guy has no mic or know what they are doing. Usually, it is a low level that just wants to use his CoD quickscope brain and nothing else.

Talking about normie experience here and not with friends or clan mates.

[worthy charm]

You can use admin cam in explore mode to get a better look.

[worthy charm]

I think the percentage of people with mics is higher on PC, but yea its an issue.
Playing with randoms is always a gamble, when I play tank or spotter Im usually lucky...

Brother, would they have wanted to make polish this year it would have been on the roadmap

[real parrot]

Most of the time in pubs spotter is already taken by someone at least level 80 ( as it the minimun level on the server if not the bot throws you out of the squad) and its almost everytime blocked so if someone that doesnt talk enters in sniper they get thrown out of the squad instantly. This is for the servers I play in btw

[harsh egret]

Me as a spotter 😂

[woven lynx]

real shi

true cannon fodder experience. no fun

[worthy charm]

In 2023

[real parrot]

You are getting 2 tank skins for 5 euros and be happy with it

[worthy charm]

Thats looooooooooong gone and they said so

[harsh egret]

My favorite at the start of the game is watching the level 5s grab recon and not be able to figure out why they can't snipe and then the squad closes and then they reopen it again, then they just leave the game. Peak CoD brain.

[slate canopy]

I am a pub spotter. You have mic and communicate, you are free to do what you see fit. Stick with me or go help front line. Just if I need you, be ready to help.

[real parrot]

Peak hell let loose moment is when they get into a tank squad, 50% of the time they don't get to even enter the tank, 45% they don't manage to start the tank, and the other 5% they leave the tank stuck in some random trench outside of the spawn

[stark agate]

Buuuuuhhhhhhh

[real parrot]

Elsenborne ridge is mid, real bs is Mortain or H400

Like, H400 is literally elsenborn ridge but without snow, more trees and the trees actually have hitbox so you can't drive anything in it

Soviets are mid, Driel british are the real bs

they don't have any semi auto and the only viable auto weapon is the thompson

[harsh egret]

PPSH is an absolute powerhouse. And all the bolt actions in the game pretty much slap. Brits prolly got the best iron sight of them all. And their Thompson variant owns.

Bren is a lazerbeam if you can get over the obnoxious mag blocking half your screen

[real parrot]

Soviet tanks are also pretty strong, specially T-34, british cronwell is basically a faster Pz 4, and the churchill is slow af but at least the tracks count as armor

[harsh egret]

It actually is a cross map lazerbeam though

[real parrot]

The designer of the bren was probablly scottish

[harsh egret]

My only issue with brit guns is that most of them don't vibrate my controller when I shoot. I have that on and my muscle memory is used to it and has been for many years. The lack of feedback actually turns me into a potato.

[real parrot]

I hate british guns because I mainly play Tank commander and I have to use the awfull sten

[harsh egret]

I don't even mind the sten

Other than the thing I mentioned about controller feedback. I wish they would fix that.

It is no Thompson with foregrip but it works. I would take it over a damn greasegun everyday. I know that.

[real parrot]

And then you have the T-34 vibrating like is going to decombabulate if you go 4th gear in it

[harsh egret]

Greasegun should get a little love. Less bounce or something. TTK is too bad due to its RoF and the sight is the worst. Needs to have something going for it.

It has zero redeeming qualities compared to every other SMG in the game

[vale garnet]

Grease gun is cracked

Every gun in HLL is fine it’s just about how you use them

[harsh egret]

It is by far the most inconsistent weapon in the game. Yeah I have gone off with it, but it can't hold a candle to the other SMGs in the game.

[vale garnet]

Just headshot and you go ding they die easy

[harsh egret]

Except I can line the sight up perfectly on their head and it will randomly decide to miss for no reason at 20m

And next game it pops heads like crazy

[vale garnet]

All guns are centered to the screen, if you had a red dot on screen you would see the bullet always goes exactly there

Sights are not all exactly accurate but a red dot would be

[harsh egret]

Hit reg is a giant issue that is more noticeable and exasperated by slow rof weapons

So that is part of the problem too

[vale garnet]

I’m talking about monitor red dots

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[past vortex]

kedo is talking to himself it seems :}

[cosmic pilot]

It is basically. But I'm being hyperbolic.

Rockets and satchels in hll are veritable FPV drones in their cost effectiveness. It's not really appropriate for a WW2 game.

[heady hornet]

yes and then they reverted it because realisation hit, that having a 3-2 stalemate for 90 minutes, without being able to destroy enemy garries, because they are behind an invisible line is stupid.

[silk igloo]

uhhuh. back then halftracks and SPAs didnt exist.

[worthy charm]

Halftracks arent even that old

or are they?

[silk igloo]

wouldnt be much of a stalemate if you could simply blow up the enemy and move spawns up in relative safety

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552

[heady hornet]

should be two years now, no?

[heady hornet]

Have you played in that meta, in comp. matches? It was pure stalemate, it was even so bad that people postponed tournaments for it.

[worthy charm]

Oh god, they are from U11

[heady hornet]

so 2022? 🤔

[silk igloo]

I cant remember if I was in comp at that time. What year was it? Either way, I'm pretty sure that at the time I was against locked garris too. Cant remember. Either way, to dislodge a stalemate there ought to be a better way than silly garrison hunting that takes people away from the front to hunt and guard them. I'd rather buff the halftrack tremendously then

And SPAs and tanks too. It's always a preferable option to silly things

Or rather than buffing tanks that can equally work in defense, give the commander some ability that gives them a chance every 10-15 minutes for an offensive, like reducing spawn and deathscreen times to half for a few minutes

[worthy charm]

End of 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFGK0LLDzdg

[silk igloo]

it would have to block the enemy commander from using it at the same time though, otherwise it'd just be used for defense too...

[heady hornet]

mid 2020.

How though, if you look at certain cap layouts where the strongpoint is so close to the locked area, you just build 1-2 garries as 100% safe backups.

Add the factor in, that at the same time you werent allowed to build redzone garries. You just mindlessly grinded your way forward.

Indestructible spawns is the worse thing you can do, in a game were the players have the agency to set their own spawns.

[silk igloo]

What if indestructible garris had 80 seconds redeploy time and the waves of all garris, or at least ones in sector, were synced?

Besides, you could still disable the spawn by being near it

[worthy charm]

more waiting...

I already feel like I age 80 second for every 40 second I got to wait...

[heady hornet]

no. Protecting and managing your network is as much part of the game as everything else. And it's probably one of the bigger difference in skill between each team.

[silk igloo]

It's only important because it's made so fragile. I'd rather cut out the busywork and give attackers more tools, like stronger suppression, and the spawn-killing SPA that we are getting

[heady hornet]

Yeah because that always works and nobody is hunting for you. You know what we did in that meta? We had paint with the map open and marked it on the map for later use. If we ever manage to cap a point.

[silk igloo]

Attackers would also benefit from less accurate and deadly guns, since it'd make pushing less of a risk. Or better smokes that last longer and obscure more. Smoke artillery ability pls

[fringe hollow]

Everything I keep reading is that competitive scenes in games kill the fun of it being a game for most people...

[vale garnet]

The Garry hunting is fine, it adds a skill gap of spawn control

[vale garnet]

Comp is the only part of this game I find fun, public matches are so boring

[ebon sedge]

I know this has been asked a million times but has there been any update to cross platform play? Like Xbox and PC players together?

[vale garnet]

Tbh with arty I would cut it down by a gun and then slow down the ROF of the guns

[vale garnet]

Won’t happen

[hazy owl]

I think it's the complete opposite in HLL

[silk igloo]

when i still played comp with the old nodes, all our squad of 6 did was move nodes into the next enemy sector... it was a fun squad though.

[cyan saddle]

Depends on how "competitive" you go

[vale garnet]

Nodes are just built in spawn now

[hazy owl]

There are people who show up only for comp matches or organised events

[cyan saddle]

There's a bunch of "competitive" matches where the only difference is that people have mics, so to say.

[fringe hollow]

pubs are boring because everyone lives on the game so you need to find equally live on the game people to have a good match

[silk igloo]

i mean, if they gave tanks better anti-spawn and anti-infantry ability, it'd work just as well on defense and it'd still be a stalemate

[vale garnet]

Pubs are boring because the spawn networks suck, the SLs don’t know what they’re doing, squads have no concept of map control or even what the soft cap is, the tanks suck, the players can’t aim on either team

If the spawns are up and people are actually playing the map, I’ll play the full 90, if I look at the map and there’s 1 Garry and nothing else to spawn on that’s even remotely useful I’m gone

[fringe hollow]

So people are playing a game to have fun. You have fun by playing the "game"

[worthy charm]

What you call that then casual comp or not public casual match? 😆

[fringe hollow]

game being the meta that comp has discovered and set

[worthy charm]

The Combinations are endless

[cyan saddle]

Organized match

[vale garnet]

Not at all, I have fun winning comp games, nothing else in this game is fun to me

I don’t even enjoy the actual playing of the game just winning tournament games 😂

[silk igloo]

They could always tweak something to make them better, and do what SPAs will. Like if the explosion of a tank shell created a small sphere that goes through walls and sends the hitscan rays from it, then it'd kill through a bunch of walls, but not multiple or the thickest ones

[fringe hollow]

I have fun meeting new people and doing some stupid tactic that may or may not work. Everyone's different I guess

[heady hornet]

Who?

[vale garnet]

I could not care less about console teams

If they play on PC it’s in a league so bad that even our degens have never heard of it

Because they’re not in ECL, or HCA

[past veldt]

I can assure you, if they were PC I'd know

[vale garnet]

Circle are a div 3-4 team?

[past veldt]

I'm a div 7 expert

[heady hornet]

Name the teams playing HBL.

[vale garnet]

Falcons

[past veldt]

British National Party

Reform UK

AfD

[vale garnet]

What are you even talking about?

I would join an afd team with Goldi

[past veldt]

Yes

[silk igloo]

Or they could make it so that any explosion near a spawn disables that wave from spawning. Then artillery could keep a spawn delayed. Suppression of a spawn with firearms could work too. With direct hits.

[heady hornet]

He means Crit

[vale garnet]

He has a voice deeper than Morgan freeman but also a massive rack

[heady hornet]

no thats her husband

[vale garnet]

Guys look out taco pc team are gonna mess us up

[worthy charm]

smoker's lung on a scale of 1 to 10 is a 11 you say?

[vale garnet]

I could probably beat them with my monitor off but k

[past veldt]

Huh? I'm just female

[vale garnet]

Send foot pics

[past veldt]

You have to buy them from Glow

[heady hornet]

16 year old with the voice of a 60 year old chainsmoker that smoked for 50 years.

[vale garnet]

Ah makes sense

[past veldt]

He holds the rights

[analog helm]

5 people playing PTE. gg

[worthy charm]

Lets not go there 😆

[analog helm]

gonna have to re dl 12gb to play original. gg

[vale garnet]

In this game? Yes we are

[worthy charm]

All because Glow didnt see...

Sad

indeed

[vale garnet]

In HLL specifically the best console teams are maybe div 2 at best

[heady hornet]

how much you paying?

[vale garnet]

Compared to a top 3 PC team it would be a massacre

No it’s based on actually having console players in our team who have said as much, and watching their VODs and how awful the teams are

[heady hornet]

I would like to see the best console team play vs the best pc teams.

[vale garnet]

They basically copy PC teams without knowing why we do half the stuff

[heady hornet]

shh let him believe.

are console teams btw at the point of the 2023 meta already?

[vale garnet]

What? We’re the ones doing it with no aim assist

No skill bro is literally getting dragged onto his target by the game

[gloomy quartz]

skibity toilet

[past veldt]

Oh @fluid pawn, you still about for an event tonight? 7:30PM UK time

[worthy charm]

Calm down people, give the automod time to breathe.

[echo karma]

Lol dead pte once again

[past veldt]

Is EGirls still banned?

Oh thank god we can talk about glow normally again

[fringe hollow]

The classic loop of no one plays because no one plays because no one plays

Yet we asked for a PTE...

[vale garnet]

There is literally a setting for aim assist strength…

[echo karma]

They do this so people play pte but time and time again no one plays pte.

[worthy charm]

People say they want to test, but actually playing after the first 3 days isnt an option.

[echo karma]

I don't wanna test a buggy mess lmao

[worthy charm]

The worst is people play the PTE and then dont bother giving feedback

[heady hornet]

as I said, get your best teams on a PC with controller and have a game.

[worthy charm]

(Besides of SPAs are a bad idea)

[fringe hollow]

People would 100000% test if they had fully functional updates, just released early. Everyone would jump at the option to find the cheese and learn to min-max new mechanics.

[harsh egret]

People say aim assist doesn't exist on console, but it definitely does. You can notice it doing stuff, especially at closer ranges. Not sure why this lie is ongoing about it doing absolutely nothing at all. Just because it isn't ridiculous over the top CoD aim assist I guess.

[fringe hollow]

But when it comes to actually testing experimental things, it's 80% negative nonsense and the rest is people just goofing

[vale garnet]

Because they want to believe they can actually aim

[echo karma]

They test in live servers cuz nobody plays pte. Every update they stealth patch something and ppl instantly find out

[echo karma]

Yes it does. It's aim slowdown more like.

[harsh egret]

Its just like the obvious cron users who would become militant insisting it doesn't do anything in HLL.

[heady hornet]

my experience with PTE everybody tests their stuff, but no normal games happen. So I just dont bother and rather look at what reports from the PTE.

[harsh egret]

Even though you can easily google stuff that does no recoil and stuff lol

[worthy charm]

We got the chance to influence U19 more than every update since U14. Thats why its not a finished Early Accesses but a Dev. branch for testing, finding issues and giving feedback.

[fringe hollow]

I gag physically in front of anyone who says they use a cron

[echo karma]

Cuz seeding sucks donkey d

[heady hornet]

Why? I'm not claiming that console is better and I dont have contacts to the console scene.

[worthy charm]

Internally maybe, but I havent heard anything about closed testing.... then again im just a little discord mod.

[echo karma]

Why toggle off for God awful death screen? Delete it already. Nobody asked for this

[fringe hollow]

Yes and I really like the ability to see experimental and unfinished things early as well as give feedback. The issue is no one is playing rn

[vale garnet]

I like it

[worthy charm]

Thats about it sadly.

[echo karma]

Oh indeed. Free vip in most servers

[fringe hollow]

"!wkm"

[worthy charm]

Its fine to try out but real testing of features and balancing is impossible

[fringe hollow]

oh wait xbox player, nvm

[worthy charm]

She is at a better place now

[echo karma]

Wombat told it like it was lmao

[echo karma]

That sounds harsh

[worthy charm]

Please dont thank to lord for me, that sound really weird

[analog helm]

1.7 gb to go back to original now

[worthy charm]

I know, thats why she is at a better place 😅

[harsh egret]

I thought there were clans asking for this experimental thing so that said clans could set up events to fill the lobbies and fully gameplay stress test these systems, with the idea being we would easily find the glaring issues that happened in U18 that the community recognized in the first 5 seconds.

Is that not the case?

[worthy charm]

Havent heard anything sadly, I would jump at the chance

[analog helm]

am having so much fun on this game TBH. Only started playing again recently (total 300 hours) after a 2 years "break". I dont see anything toping it (arma or squad are not fun enough for me, too complex).

[fringe hollow]

would you rather a whole game's worth of download instead?

[analog helm]

id rather have people playing PTE

[harsh egret]

I remember that being asked specifically to Ben and it seems they have obliged the request. Now yall gotta follow thru

[fringe hollow]

true

[echo karma]

Remeber they update they whined about analytics and we got nothing for like 4 months. And now we have to pte to test???

[analog helm]

despite having my *ss kicked so many times (love the dirty something server from 13sc something clan)

[fringe hollow]

Dirty's servers are cool but the actually good, high level one is west coast so high ping for me ig

[harsh egret]

My outfits all reset to default again last night after I left the first server I played in. First time on in 2 weeks. I totally missed redoing 3 outfits for every class for every faction in the game every other day. Let me tell ya.

[analog helm]

true dat. Im a french c!ck but cant stand french servers so im okay with sh!t ping and good people

[fringe hollow]

use this time to change what you put on each character instead of the same outfit idk

[worthy charm]

People seed Glows on the dev. branch!
I beg you

[echo karma]

This a meme?

[analog helm]

i dont like people but having to play on a 5ppl server is too autistic for me

[fringe hollow]

no it's a cry for help

[worthy charm]

No? Its a Screenshot I took 30 seconds ago

[harsh egret]

They are not the same. All different aesthetics for different roles or map conditions. That's why this is a giant pain in the a and idk why they refuse to acknowledge or fix it while making and selling more cosmetics with every update.

[analog helm]

i think this map will be good with 64ppl and more

[echo karma]

It's 12pm lol 6pm uk

5pm

[fringe hollow]

I see. That's fair at least. I just wear whatever looks good for the character and whatever I feel that day

[analog helm]

13snc folks

[fringe hollow]

I didn't realize I could open hll and play FO4 at the same time. I guess I could seed

[analog helm]

very nice people

despite being american

[echo karma]

5 ppl in a ded server lol

[fringe hollow]

7*

[echo karma]

You can't even fill a pte server on the weekend bro. What do you expect?

[fringe hollow]

it hasn't even had a weekend chance?

it came out this monday, no? Meaning only like 4 days

[echo karma]

Most pte launch Friday ish

[fringe hollow]

it was supposed to but here we are

[echo karma]

Yet no console pte lovely

[fringe hollow]

due to how they did the pte. Console needs approval for anything to be sent out and it would take ages

[echo karma]

No gebatron vid. Game ded

[fringe hollow]

if they even let it happen

[echo karma]

Nope, other games have fully functional pte

[fringe hollow]

other games are usually successful and don't crash every other match

[fluid pawn]

Replied in DMs 🫡

[echo karma]

True tbh

Bro wtf is that kv2 looking spa?!?

[lone tangle]

after the update my game keep geting crashed

[echo karma]

They just making sht up now

[lone tangle]

its fixed on the last big update (stalingrad) but after yesterday update it keep getting crashed

[molten sail]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[lone tangle]

so annoying bro, all that tank destroyed, bunch of infantry killed, 1k+ point just *poof

[echo karma]

Bruh why does the spa look so jank? Rocket propelled munitions okay

[worthy charm]

The projectile speed is kidna slow

[burnt lantern]

bc its a jank box with an engine

[fringe hollow]

KV-2 very real assault gun, not spa. Still goofy nonetheless

[worthy charm]

Too slow if you ask me

[echo karma]

Extra jank. Kv2 is not an spa period

With that logic a p4 is an spa no?

So why tank shell no lob across map for indirect fire?

[real parrot]

Brumbar is also not an SPA, is an assault gun

[molten sail]

just do it next game :)

[echo karma]

They do everything except give us mortars

[real parrot]

An SPA would be hummel or grille, even grille is also classified as assault gun

[finite berry]

Hasn't it been discussed to tdeath already that the tanks implemented by T17 as SPAs are in fact not SPAs?

[echo karma]

The models look like old bm artwork to the t

[finite berry]

The majority of the playerbase doesn't know, and the majority that does know won't care at the end of the day, so why would T17 care?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-spongebob-yes-absolutely-gif-11558072476132770230

[real parrot]

We getting T95 as SPA 🗣️ 🚜

[echo karma]

Majority of the playerbase left the game already

There just making enlisted2.0 at this point

[real parrot]

Majority of the playerbase are now paying BF 6

[finite berry]

My point still stands, tho

[echo karma]

Was it tu16 they saw a massive falloff?

[finite berry]

Dunno, you should know better than me :D

[echo karma]

Around trailer time? Alot of ppl left then

[real parrot]

When people understood they don't care abt the game?

[echo karma]

Only a few of us care. The casuals could care less. They play skirmish

[real parrot]

No, I meant the devs

[echo karma]

New map looks dope tho. Camper paradise. But spa nah.

[real parrot]

SPA should have ignore cover radius, you can't just have a 0.5cm half as burnt wood pile stop a 155mm shell

[echo karma]

Fresh baked brings up a good point too. Arty will be rocket sniped cross map and gone essentially

[real parrot]

Also tank shells in general

[echo karma]

Why spa use indirect fire but tank shell zoom at Mach Jesus

[heady hornet]

not like that happened beforehand either.

[echo karma]

And spa will get destroyed by AT. There will be no arty

[real parrot]

What does that even mean

[worthy charm]

You seen the accuracy with an OP?

:}

[echo karma]

I seen the jank as aiming and bugs. And a kv2 shooting missiles

[real parrot]

Thats hilarious

[echo karma]

3 man tank squad that cab drop supplies and heal tank and gets at? Wtf

And an OP. Nooo not balanced at all I'd say

[real parrot]

The bullet speed of KV 2 It was abt 600m/s I think

[echo karma]

Kv2 was a frontal assault style vehicle and I think a tank destroyer mostly

[silk igloo]

Im sure that they can increase the velocity as much as they want. With a realistic arc it'll be good enough

[finite berry]

Based

[analog helm]

when you play HLL with tupac and beer in the background

https://tenor.com/view/rhythm-head-banging-head-bang-head-banger-driving-music-gif-2418210787621199505

[real parrot]

Rarely used against tanks, mainly against Bunkers and fortifications

[lone tangle]

hell nah

[echo karma]

Yeah I'm seeing this now. It plagues my dreams in wt tho

[real parrot]

Nah, we used to do explosive only custom games on WT, the ISU 155 was OP on thst

[echo karma]

The irony is will the kv2 be tanky like it was in real life? Only the 88 could destroy it basicly

German kv2?

[feral vine]

When's the new worms game coming out

[echo karma]

2026 summer. Its called vietnam

[real parrot]

PZ 4 long 75 was able to Pen It reliably

[echo karma]

It's most notable battle vs a German Covnvey blah blah. Basically 88 was only thing to touch it at range. Up close it got swarmed by at

It does have a huge weakpoint on the back side tho. Ez ammo rack

[real parrot]

Wasnt a KV 1 against PZ IV B and C and PZ 38t?

[feral vine]

Cant wait for the summer of crashes

[echo karma]

Kv1 was something entirely different. Like a destroyer. Kv2 was Basically a Frontline attacker tank but they never really saw that and got used for defence and wrecked.

[fringe hollow]

Luckily it's a 152 mm shell so that wood will do

[real parrot]

Damn

[echo karma]

Nah spa should be an indirect machine. Not an arty style vehicle. 152 should splash everything down

And should have glaring weakpoints like real life. Otherwise kv2 best tank in the game.

If p4 rounds rich then it's gg. 152 overpressure tf outta you

[real parrot]

Bunker in AA outpost have been really quiet since KV2

[real parrot]

This is hell let loose, KV 2 Shell Will probably ricochet out of a luchs FP

[echo karma]

True. What was I thinking

Round goes splat does no damage

[real parrot]

Imagine if they added craters out of explosions, that would be a miracle for T17

[fringe hollow]

tested in training mode and the HE doesnt even pen luchs side

if you can even hit the thing

AP one shots though

[real parrot]

Figured It

[fringe hollow]

two shots and frontally pens both P4 and panther

[worthy charm]

HE isnt intented to be used like this so I dont think its an issue

[worthy charm]

If you hit that is

[echo karma]

He can 1 shot luchs fyi

[fringe hollow]

correct. For this game it seems fine. Realistically though 152 would CREAM a luchs

[echo karma]

152 would cream a tiger

[real parrot]

Technicaly It is not, I didint expect for the KV to also have AP, if the brumbar have AP I Will cry

And I mean it

[fringe hollow]

certain spots. front armor MIGHT stand up to it but the crew would be basically dead

[echo karma]

AP suggests they intend it to be a tank tank but cost munitions

[fringe hollow]

accuracy is stupid low so basically no point

[echo karma]

Kv2 best tank in the game now lol gg devs.

[echo karma]

I seen the Shells arcing right hard. Who needs accuracy when a kv2 barrel stuffs you

[silk igloo]

With an OP it's accurate enough up to 50 meters or so. Even to 100m it's 50/50 to hit a tank, or thereabouts

[real parrot]

KV 2 should flip over if the main gun shoots sideways, there you go balanced

[fringe hollow]

circle it if it gets close. turns like a planet and turret is slow too

[echo karma]

Watch a bazooka not side pen the turret

[worthy charm]

About 50m yes, the accuracy on 500m with op seems impressive

[echo karma]

Kv2 slow as a mfer tho

[fringe hollow]

this would require getting that close, not being seen as a literal fridge on tracks, and getting an OP down and sights on target

[worthy charm]

I tried 5 shoots on the dev branch on max range with OP. All Sheels landed in an about 5 meter radius of my target

[fringe hollow]

if the other tank crew lets that happen, they deserve 152

[real parrot]

Wait

[echo karma]

152 1 shot bunker?

[fringe hollow]

we could test

[real parrot]

Are you telling me putting an OP increases the tank accuracy

[silk igloo]

the OP has a radius of 220m, so the commander doesnt have to go anywhere for point-blank fire

[fringe hollow]

artillery observer, the SL, has a radius around their OP that shells are more accurate landing in

[worthy charm]

Yes, dont tell me you didnt read the dev brief.

[real parrot]

I'm done

[fringe hollow]

We love people who don't read ANYTHING and then complain about everything

[real parrot]

I Will play world of tanks noe

[robust bolt]

I believe they are referring to the mobile artillery, not armor

[fringe hollow]

don't invoke his name...

[thin lotus]

The observer needs to place the op near whatever target the arty wants to bomb?

[worthy charm]

Its for balancing and counterplay, I agree its goofy but certainly not bad.

[thin lotus]

Is that how it works?

[fringe hollow]

yes. it makes sense since arty needs an observer in the field IRL

but the radius is quite large

[worthy charm]

It is, its a 200m radius tho

around the op

[thin lotus]

The guy needs to physically mark a spot?

[worthy charm]

Nope

[finite berry]

I couldn't believe it either yesterday xDDD

[robust bolt]

For more accurate shots, yes. But it’s not required

[woven lynx]

under very specific circumstances. the turret realistically would not even be able to rotate unless the ground was nearly even

[silk igloo]

You wont hit anything without an OP though. The scatter increases even five times without it

[woven lynx]

but this game wont be able to handle that kinda physics

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558983403962105867/924388748714721290/image0-53.gif

[thin lotus]

So to accurately bomb a particular building, does the op need to be placed NEAR that particular building????

[fringe hollow]

I see it as a soft counter to SPA. They need SL alive, with op, in the field for accurate shots. No more sitting 2819374 miles back and being untouchable

[worthy charm]

realistically
😅

[silk igloo]

mods, elise is posting porn

[finite berry]

Those are tanks, they cannot do such things 😇

[worthy charm]

Banned

[woven lynx]

well i mean.. the turret rings were quite unreliable

[robust bolt]

Might get lucky😂

[finite berry]

I waited so many years to use that gif in a situation where it makes sense :(

[echo karma]

Sl spawn on Gary. Place op. She'll to hell n back

[silk igloo]

yeah, and you might hit a tank behind a corner because it does a 90 degree turn. i'm sure comp will find a way

[echo karma]

50m arty is broken af

[woven lynx]

you mean mortars?

[fringe hollow]

garry would be close to the battle then.

[echo karma]

Whats the reload tho?

[fringe hollow]

Unless everyone is hugging the garrison

[finite berry]

lmao, true

[robust bolt]

Comp always finds a way lmao

[worthy charm]

Just to add if you dont already know, Arty SL gets a flare in his seconds loudout.

[echo karma]

Kv2 will die to AT so fast they'll nerf AT in the ground

[fringe hollow]

I know, I checked the training mode to see the loadouts for everything. I like the flare but I can see people not liking it

[worthy charm]

Same health and armor as a medium

[echo karma]

2 flares is OP af bro.

[fringe hollow]

we already have two flares. Recon

[echo karma]

So not a kv2. Gotcha

[robust bolt]

The reload is where you will put another round into the weapon after you have fired the previous round, to my knowledge

[echo karma]

Yeah 4 now

[silk igloo]

from the known issues it seems that they want to make the front of it the same armor as heavies

[real parrot]

Does the gunner also need to do a ritual a sacrifice a level 1 with a shovel in order to reload?

[worthy charm]

Not really... I mean even the Brummbär should have waaay more armour than a P4.

[fringe hollow]

they could change flares to have a cooldown for each player?

[worthy charm]

Nope, the loadouts are pretty balanced.

[fringe hollow]

that way it also nerfs flare spam

[worthy charm]

They should do that

Maybe also for Satchels

[fringe hollow]

throwing a cooldown on everything sounds lazy though

but if it works...

[silk igloo]

remove cooldowns, let me send 10 bombers at one time like we can with arty

[woven lynx]

only above the track though yes? also, how will its gun hold up in <100m confrontations with mediums and larger?

[worthy charm]

It is lazy, but 4 to 5 years after release its not like they are gonna do any huge reworks.

[fringe hollow]

I'll just ignore the artillery and tank reworks I guess

I probably should since they are breaking the game

[worthy charm]

100m is pretty hard, the sheels curve to much on that range to hit anything. Its either under 50m or above 200, otherwise pure luck if you hit or not.

[thin lotus]

Radius and cooldowns is this devs’ MO.
It’s pretty lame

[woven lynx]

i see. but because the barrel is so short, that 150mm projectile is probably going to lose velocity rather quickly. thinking on another note now though i think the way there is no turret will emphasize more on squad communication, especially gunner and driver which is arguably really good

[silk igloo]

the SPA seems very fun though, particularly on open maps. just stay right behind the frontline and lob things just over the next ridge, like into olegs house on kursk. what's the enemy going to do, rush a light tank at you over the hill?

[worthy charm]

Especially for the brummbär which doesnt get any MGs

[fringe hollow]

I also like the concept of SPA. It gives light tanks and recon tanks an actual job of hunting these things instead of just always being a rat around the point

[silk igloo]

it has an MG though ❔

[woven lynx]

it did not

only the 15cm Sturmhaubitze main gun

[silk igloo]

did too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brummbär#/media/File:SdKfz166.jpg

[woven lynx]

machine gun, not “main gun”

oh wait a sec

you are right. but, the mg was added in later models

[silk igloo]

i forget which is it in game

[fringe hollow]

Not sure why they didn't just use later models in the game since they will have an MG. It also has a coax MG for some reason

[woven lynx]

well, it was developed 1942-43, so it should be a later model with mg 🤔

[silk igloo]

well, they can remove both for the live release. then it's even more asymmetric, with soviet SPA having a turret and MGs

[thin lotus]

Teleports behind your arty tank

[woven lynx]

i think it only had the coaxial mg34, they call it “ball-mount”

[fringe hollow]

coax means it's locked to the main gun. a ball mount isnt a co ax

that would just be a hull mounted MG

[silk igloo]

right, the model in game has no MGs

[woven lynx]

so i believe the early model had no coaxial mg from what i can see, later models did

[fringe hollow]

had no hull mounted* but yes. thats right

[woven lynx]

the ball mount i am not sure but that would probably not be in hll anyways cus screw officer hatches

[fringe hollow]

wait

[silk igloo]

and the mg is already removed

[fringe hollow]

lemme look again

yeah, only late models had a single MG34 in a ball mount on the left side of the tank. No coaxial

[slate mango]

Hello everyone

I'm so hyped for HLL vietnam dude 😭

[finite berry]

Don't think many people here will agree with that, but good for you 😄

[silk igloo]

you think wrong

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-church-police-wrongthink-gif-22803869

[slate mango]

Wait really?

I'm excited for the proximity chat to be filled with people yelling "they're in the trees!!"