mess-hall

[worthy charm]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/686810/view/577150433165837093

The 4 point under SPA are very interessting to me.

SPAs work very diffrent from what I imagined.

[covert elbow]

Okay I did not read this. One sec

ARE YOU

[thin lotus]

their suggested approach to HQ Arty is absolutely tone deaf

[covert elbow]

THE KV-2 ISNT A ARTILLERY VEHICLE. NONE OF THESE ARE. THEY JUST HAVE HEAVY GUNS

[finite berry]

Do you think the average player will notice, and if they notice, will care?

[covert elbow]

AND WHY CAN WE BUILD ARTILLERY JUST ADD MORTARS AND MAKE ARTILLERY OBSERVERS ABLE TO USE COMMANDER ARTILLERY GAH

[covert elbow]

No and I hate it

Not to mention only 210 KV-2s were ever built!

How!? How can they get this so wrong!?! WE ALREADY HAVE SPG MODELS FROM BM

[finite berry]

Probably going with what's more popular

Plus, an actual SPA is a literal glass cannon that requires high skill to perform well on the battlefield

[covert elbow]

Dude this is so stupid

[finite berry]

Now try to couple that with the average player of this game

I agree, but I see why they're doing it

[covert elbow]

Calling the KV-2 a glass cannon is not the case

[finite berry]

actual SPG

[covert elbow]

Hell calling any of these tanks glass cannons isn’t right

THESE ARENT EVEN SPGS THEIR ASSAULT GUN TANKS

[finite berry]

I know

I referred back to actual SPGs, like the Hummel; because those are glass cannons and those do require skill which the average player of this game does not have

So they instead just add tanks with big guns, call them SPAs and call it a day

[covert elbow]

@fluid pawn I’m sorry for the ping but genuinely how is the dev team getting these definitions so wrong? These aren’t artillery guns and I don’t know how these will act like artillery WHEN THEY DONT HAVE THE CORRECT ELEVATION

[past vortex]

they probably dont want to model open tops...

[covert elbow]

Like… is the dev team high? Are they actively smoking something when they chose these tanks??? What’s the explanation????

[finite berry]

Isn't that obvious? They don't care.

[covert elbow]

Why not??? It’s the perfect balance to them. You get close to the front you are vulnerable from the top but can provide direct fire while if you stay in the back your safe and can fire like an artillery gun

[past vortex]

explaination is: tank like things can be done as reskins

[worthy charm]

Ey ninja

Besides the models are badly choosen

[covert elbow]

I’m so confused man what the hell is happening??? I’m I taking crazy pills??? Are these actually artillery guns???? What’s going on???

[worthy charm]

What do you think?

Especially of this part:

Shots capable of doing much more damage to enemy armour and fortifications/garrisons/ops.

[covert elbow]

I’m not thinking at all apparently

[silk igloo]

it's everything i wanted

[worthy charm]

Funny tho how they didnt mention the range at all.

[finite berry]

Ninja, you're overthinking this. You know the definitions, you know what an SPA is, you know how an SPA works. They do not. And they do not care that they get it wrong. Because the average player doesn't care either.

[past vortex]

full map size obviously

[worthy charm]

I dont think so...

[slate canopy]

They did?

[past vortex]

lol why

[slate canopy]

I read it. It said 1400.

[worthy charm]

Im talking about the SPAs

Sorry I wasnt clear about it.

[past vortex]

same as tanks

[slate canopy]

Yeah I was looking at static artillery

My bad

[worthy charm]

When they nerf Static Artillery Guns, adding Self-Propelled Artillery, which are more accurate, it would be stupid to then have them have more range.

[covert elbow]

This is awful. The SPA’S would be a nice addition if they actively were SPA’s and had the options of being an assault gun at close range fighting while keeping the artillery option for long range bombardmant but as of now this is just bad. And the new single and buildable artillery gun is stupid. It should have just been mortar squads with artillery reserved for SPA’s if they really want to keep player artillery but better yet keep and tune up the commander artillery. This is just a bad idea all around

The more damage per shot is a nice addition but is a fine line. We’ll see how it goes

I joke about being a better dev then the actual team but holy **** sometimes I believe myself

[past vortex]

im sure just like tanks: unlimited range but 1km view :}

[covert elbow]

Probably. I feel like my brain is melting

AND I CANT SWEAR ON THIS SERVER GAH

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/therethere-feel-better-headpat-headpats-headpatsduck-gif-2423808354704986102

[worthy charm]

In "Tank" more sure, but in "Arty" mode it should be less for obvious reasons.

[covert elbow]

I’m going to go do my shopping done. Been in here for 10 minutes now ranting like crazy

I hate this game

https://tenor.com/view/fall-gif-5504313589261308953

See y’all later

[worthy charm]

Im gonna call a Doctor, whats your insurance and ID?

[silk igloo]

Isn't that exactly what it is though? SPAs being long range, but capable of defending themselves

[worthy charm]

:}

[covert elbow]

694201236384193-176339173

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/too-long-sungwon-cho-prozd-too-much-time-quite-a-long-time-gif-25855552

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/belt-fedora-reaction-meme-funny-taeilbarbie-gif-14869617614129692474

[worthy charm]

Im having a dechavue

Is that how you write it?

Ah who cares...

[silk igloo]

The wording probably just means that the SPAs have poor turret traverse (when they have one) and poor reload speed. They must have an indirect fire mode, otherwise the scatter wouldn't make much sense

[runic gorge]

Oh the pte got cancelled

[worthy charm]

indeed

That I would think it works as well.

[silk igloo]

What I want to know is where the static arty is buildable. Range of 1400 implies the first 200m of the HQ

[past vortex]

deschawü

[worthy charm]

Or they are locked to the current places and you just need supplies to hammer them...

The Blueprint respawns after the Arty gets destroyed by the enemy

[past vortex]

min 2 arty hunting squads required

and ofc 2 arty defence squads

[worthy charm]

Hopefully recon tanks can destroy them tho

[covert elbow]

Yea, they “must” but it hasn’t been confirmed. At this point in time it must be assumed they can only fire in an artillery mode since it wasn’t stated

[worthy charm]

#FreeRecon

[past vortex]

im probably never be going near the frontline ever again after that update :D

[silk igloo]

in that case they'd have a time on target depending on the range, otherwise it'd be rather funny if you turned the range all the way down and only 20 seconds after the round hits...

[covert elbow]

And sure, that’s how these tanks could work. Have a short range artillery mode of like 500m that’s a more flat trajectory instead of going up and down (which isn’t implied btw). But if that’s the case, what’s the difference between that and a normal tank? Bigger splash damage? The “SPA” tanks get a red dot for ranging? That’s just a normal tank if they’d add the correct range markers you find on actual tank sights

[covert elbow]

AND IF THATS THE CASE why would you use these??? Just get some experience in a tank and bombard the enemy positions from range!

Like what’s the point of these SPAs????

We should have just gotten mortars man…

[past vortex]

yea

that gonna be a big mess

[silk igloo]

Because they can destroy garris and OPs. Direct or indirect. With a splash bigger than any tank.

[covert elbow]

Then why not JUST ALLOW NORMAL TANKS TO DO THAT

The logic is not adding up dude

[silk igloo]

That's what tanks do now, it's just not enough. Particularly on maps like Hill 400 where you cant put tanks on target.

It's a counter to strongpoint turtling.

[past vortex]

as if strongpoint turtling would ever work

[thin lotus]

do these SPAs shoot upwards

[past vortex]

both appearantly

[thin lotus]

cause it sounds like they are just reskinned tanks with slightly different values plugged in

[past vortex]

thats obvious

[silk igloo]

Often it's harder to blow it up than it should be. If you let enemy tanks and SPGs in visual range, you ought to be in trouble.

[past vortex]

i see problems with too many people require to service that from both sides

you obviously will need arty hunters

and then ofc arty protectors

[silk igloo]

Meanwhile the defenders can just teleport with airheads and red garris. If it's easier to just roll the enemy frontally, teleporting should be weaker.

[finite berry]

Seems like they are lol

I mean, it kinda fits with the general direction

"it makes no sense, but hey, it looks cool" meanwhile history nerds are crying their eyes out lol

[past vortex]

people who want to play that semi serious too

[silk igloo]

I hope that the explosion is obscenely big so you always get that "oh sh" moment when you see a KV-2 rolling up

[past vortex]

the majority wont notice ofc (those who spawn on the nearedt garry and beeline the point)

i can also see resources running out a lot :}

[lucid gazelle]

KV2 is a relatively glass cannon. Just put a shot into the turret and it'll cook off, and the turret itself doesn't have a lot of armour in the real sense.

[thin lotus]

"Let's make it so that Recon isn't just tasked with going to the opposing HQ to camp."
So what do these devs do? They iterate an HQ arty system where it's more impactful that the Recon just camp the opposing side's HQ.

These guys actually do not know what they are doing. It is both hilarious and sad

[covert elbow]

Oh that’s another thing! How are infantry supposed to counter these? You mean to tell me we’re going to get even more satchels and rockets on the field at any given time since we now have 3 types of vehicles that need to be blown up? Yay!

[past vortex]

wdym more, there is already the max fielded mostly :}

[covert elbow]

Like they’ll have that detail in game

[past vortex]

it will maybe not be enough tho

[lucid gazelle]

I wish.

That's the main reason why I stick with SQ44 over HLL.

[thin lotus]

The 2D sprite is going to kill infantry even HARDER
oh noooooooooooooooo

[past vortex]

so you are one of those 200 players

[lucid gazelle]

Yeh

[past vortex]

198 to go and i know them all :}

[covert elbow]

If the devs want my thoughts (even though I know I’m screaming in the void), here they are.

Scrap the current SPA’s and make them what they actually are. Heavy howitzer guns that are used for CQC heavy hitting infantry monster and bunker busters. They can still have less velocity so they drop quicker after range so they can be used as mobile artillery (like IRL) but their main focus should be as assault tanks. Y’all can still add ACTUAL SPA’s later on but this just isn’t it.

Scrap the artillery system and introduce mortars already. There is no point of having a dedicated artillery squad like this if both SPA’s and commander artillery already exists. Mortar squads would be the exact same thing except you can get 3 of them up at a time (if following historical rosters) and it would make more sense then an entire artillery gun set up someone where on a map. Where the hell do you even expect to build these giant guns on maps like hill 400 anyways? Roads???

These are just horrible ideas and shouldn’t have even been thought of, coordinated, built, experimented, and then tested. Genuinely

God this sucks

[past vortex]

its gonna be horrible
then nerfed
still horrible because people didnt get the memo

[cosmic pilot]

"indirect mode" would just mean, "pointing the gun up"

[past vortex]

like rn many "commanders" still waste their munitions on that arty strikes

[covert elbow]

That’s what I’m saying!

Just make them assault guns! That’s what the actual tanks are anyways!

[cosmic pilot]

now, what would be interesting is if the gunsight was fixed on the horizon and did not angle with the barrel

[silk igloo]

but they're both

[cosmic pilot]

which would mean it'd be more difficult to aim at something directly infront of you

[thin lotus]

they should introduce the 20th way of getting blown up from a projectile

how much are we up to?

bombing runs?
Strafe?
Precision?
ALL forms of arty?
SPAs?
Tanks?

HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED?

[past vortex]

mortars at least

then horse mounted recoiless guns

[silk igloo]

Who knows, maybe it's just a button press to access the mils, and the gun doesnt even move

[cosmic pilot]

you do realise the kind of game you're playing, right
this ain't a farming simulator

[thin lotus]

its a reskin simulator

[past vortex]

there is plenty of farming in hll tho

[cosmic pilot]

but what kind of rhetoric are you trying to pull? "there's too much gun explosions in my death by gun explosion simulator"

🥱

🏃‍♂️ 🚪

[past vortex]

hll isnt really meant to be an HE hell

[thin lotus]

im not getting blown up, I'm not bad. I'm saying this is blatant lazy development

[past vortex]

play enlisted br5 for that :}

[cosmic pilot]

idk, modern weapons are little more than "explode that guy" from a distance

pretty lazy if you ask me

[thin lotus]

teleports behind you irl

[cosmic pilot]

i had to look over my shoulder

https://tenor.com/view/man-looking-over-shoulder-australia-character-elliot-slater-1992-film-strictly-ballroom-actor-paul-mercurio-gif-6120852087023265060

you shot me when i was playing commander on the 7cav server the other day 😳

i have screenshot proof

[thin lotus]

I did, you killed me once also

was my first game back since a while

[covert elbow]

They aren’t. If you were in WW2 and asked for some SPA’s to help support an attack or defense then got these you’d be demoted and removed from whatever position you had for incompetence

[thin lotus]

still ran circles around everyone on the team

[cosmic pilot]

huk was in the same match

[cosmic pilot]

pitty your side lost

[thin lotus]

we won

i played one game

[silk igloo]

Ah. But it's a map only 2km long. Why would you put a hummel to the very front to shoot at something only one kilometer away

[thin lotus]

☝️🤓 "you see, the airhead and garrisons are supposed to represent the IRL spawning of . . ."

miss me with that garbage gameplay

[silk igloo]

If red garris required a direct, uncontested line to a blue garry, then it'd make a lot more sense

[cosmic pilot]

ah nvm, if it was that battle i came in near the end on SME then that was the one i lost this week

huk was there for my victory on foy

[covert elbow]

Your asking that with the game that has artillery guns that can only fire to 1600m?

[thin lotus]

i saw foy next then quit the game

[covert elbow]

Bottom line this update makes no sense

[thin lotus]

i dont play garbo maps

[silk igloo]

These SPGs make more sense than the arty, yeah

[covert elbow]

But they will work in ways not physically possible

If they act like the arty guns do now, as they have been implied to, then how does the rank have the elevation for this???

Change these to assault guns and add actual SPA’s like the priest if they want this

It’s the most open and shut case of the games life

[cosmic pilot]

they're likely going to have to artifically increase the gravity of the projectile

that way you can keep the muzzle velocity

but it'll arc sooner

[covert elbow]

Which is fine if their just assault guns with no weird elevation stuff

[silk igloo]

They do have the elevation and velocity for 2km shots and more, I think, what concerns me is that the rounds may just zip through buildings and everything

They didnt specify if the shell is simulated.

[covert elbow]

If they litteraly act like normal assault guns with the capability of acting as short ranged direct artillery then that’s fine

[cosmic pilot]

mhhhh, hopefully it's a simulated shell

[covert elbow]

But calling them SPA’s is blatantly and factually incorrect

[covert elbow]

That as well

If it works like normal arty where the shell goes up and disappears then what the hell is even happening anymore

I need gameplay to see my issues but on paper this is just a complete and utter flop

Not even mentioning the buildable artillery gah

[nova pivot]

Yeah?

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-floppa-lil-floppa-flop-floppa-flop-gif-22883844

[covert elbow]

Like are they allergic to mortars? Do they want to have mortars exclusive to Vietnam for identity purposes???

What’s happening????

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/nesmog-floppa-gif-21821732

[nova pivot]

Low poly floppa

[silk igloo]

we're just guessing because we've no information

[nova pivot]

Yeah, I thought they said they learnt from their errors and realised that communication is important

But I have seen pretty little so far

[covert elbow]

And the little information we do have is atrocious

[silk igloo]

sounds good to me

im just guessing positive

[nova pivot]

They leave more questions than they answer.

[nova pivot]

Think negatively and you'll never be disappointed.

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-gif-26735957

[covert elbow]

When pacific

[potent burrow]

So how exactly are they going to balance a heavy tank with a turret and significant armor

Compared to a support gun that lacks a turret and is built on a medium chassis?

Unless they throw realistic Armour values out the window, and lock the turret of the kv2, it will be absolutely unfair for the Germans and likely unfun

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[worthy charm]

More like how is the J75 not gonna get even more useless?

[covert elbow]

They probably didn’t think of that

They most likely said “Oh fun fridge tank!” And didn’t think farther

[potent burrow]

Christ might as well have given the germans the god damn Sturmtiger

[half yacht]

I still don't know why they don't just increase it's splash damage. Make it an infantry killer like it was supposed to be

[worthy charm]

They did with U18

It doesnt matter tho

500 for heavy

with medium cannon

[half yacht]

Big oof

[worthy charm]

Its just not worth it and it never will

[potent burrow]

I had some hope that maybe they'd figure out a system to make the 105 Sherman and brumm balanced, but that simply isnt possible with the kv2

[half yacht]

Kind of late to the hate train because I was at work, but I'm kind of confused by the addition of a separate artillery squad, why don't they just make the guns buildable by engineers or support, the vehicles just for vehicle Crews like all the rest

[covert elbow]

I guarantee you it was on the table

[worthy charm]

The stats are just gonna be the same or really similar.

I wouldnt put to much realism or thought into it

[covert elbow]

They need to make mortar squads their own thing. Just remove the artillery guns and completely replace them mortar crews and keep the SPA for tankers

[runic gorge]

i hope hll vietnam dont kill rs2

[covert elbow]

This update is just screwed

[potent burrow]

I dont think people will be happy if you lock the turrets of tanks or make the kv2s Armour the same as a pz4

[half yacht]

Why? Flamethrower sucks, make it level 6 unlock and a mortar for level 9 for support. Bing bang problem solved, get pings from your officer

[covert elbow]

Okay so you want 25 mortars on the field?

Flamethrowers need to be moved to assault anyways

The current squad system is a left over from alpha and needs an overhaul

Give us more squad types like MG and mortar squads so we can actually have specified roles rather than the chaos and hodge podge of the current systems

[worthy charm]

When it comes to armor its gotta be medium, I think they gonna give it medium pen, but probably more damage than the average medium has.
Maybe a medium cannon with 850 damage like the Tiger/firefly have.

[half yacht]

Level 9 unlock for the mortar would mean they are not very prevalent,

But yeah you're right the current squad system could use an overhaul

[worthy charm]

Why knows tho...

Time will tell use more.

[covert elbow]

Isn’t the firefly considered the worst heavy in game? And the tiger tank doesn’t have medium armor does it?

Like we need weak spots and better armor values at this point. This last tank update did not solve many issues with tanking

[worthy charm]

Im talking about the cannon. Both do 850 damage (more like other heavys who only do 800) and have heavy penetration.

[covert elbow]

What? Why does the tiger do more???

Isn’t it the same gun as the panther?

[worthy charm]

So SPA in "normal" mode maybe to as much damage or more as those, whilst having less pen.
Or at least I think because of this section in the dev brief:

Shots capable of doing much more damage to enemy armour...

[potent burrow]

I agree you absolutely have to give it medium Armour, with a gun that has a larger splash damage range for infantry and damage, but high chance to ricochet off tanks

But again how do they plan on making it fair for german players to not feel gimped when they lack a turret

[worthy charm]

Not really

I would think its to balance the slower speed and mobility

[covert elbow]

Asymmetrical balancing is a hell of a thing ain’t it

Bleh

[worthy charm]

Same for the Firefly

[finite berry]

In the game or historically?

[worthy charm]

Which drives better after the update but still not as nice as other tanks.

[covert elbow]

I swear this game infuriates me with how it’s marketed as a historically accurate realism simulator and then this crap pops up

It should have just been an arcade shooter from the start

[covert elbow]

Historically

[finite berry]

No

Not even the same calibre

Panther had a long-barreled 7.5 cm cannon, Tiger had a 8.8 cm cannon

[worthy charm]

I mean... people who think marketing and advertising can be trusted are kinda... you know.

[finite berry]

7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 for the Panther, 8.8 KwK 36 L/56 for the Tiger

[worthy charm]

Always look at gameplay before buying a game

[covert elbow]

Oh so I’m not supposed to trust the literal description of the game?

[finite berry]

It's deceiving. On first glance, this game probably looks beyond perfect

[covert elbow]

Exactly. Even watching actual gameplay it looks fine

[finite berry]

Yep

[potent burrow]

It would be one thing if the brummbar had a bigger gun than the turrets based "SPA" but it doesnt, the kv2 still has the bigger gun 152 vrs 150

[covert elbow]

But then you play the game and holy it’s nothing like it’s on the tin

[finite berry]

It depends

It probably still feels great and perfect even when you actually play it

It takes time, LOTS of time to see all the flaws

[covert elbow]

What’s worse to is that they could have chosen the many other tanks the Soviets had. Instead we get the 210 manufactured fridge gun that didn’t see much use

[worthy charm]

The Steam page itsself is ancient

[potent burrow]

Literally

[worthy charm]

Still leftover from the release

[worthy charm]

Besides from that I gotta say the models look nice

[potent burrow]

This would have been such a simple and easy update if they just did

Hummel/wespe, priest, and su76

[worthy charm]

I dont think choosing closed tanks was a bad decision.

Just that those which take take were not used like Arty at all...

[potent burrow]

You could have easily made it so you have the rain canvas tarps over the exposed tanks and make it so you cant shoot though then with infantry

But that allows you to have tanks with similar abilities and performances

Not a gimped medium vrs a heavy with a turret

[gray chasm]

@tropic light

[worthy charm]

Nah... They could have maybe

I dont think most people care about the type of tank as much tbh

[covert elbow]

☝️

[potent burrow]

They will when they have to drive around a tank without a turret trying to fight infantry

[worthy charm]

Remember HLL players think a satchel always one shot kills a tank

or one rocket is enough

[covert elbow]

I don’t even get the issue with an open top since that’s an easy way to balance the SPA’s

[potent burrow]

That too

[covert elbow]

The driver will most likely still be protected so they can drive but if you get caught out of position or the enemy flanks around you they can take out the gunners

[potent burrow]

Or chirst the su76 has closed top versions, you could have used a stuh instead of the hummel, and im sure theres variants for the Americans that work

[covert elbow]

Like it’s an easy and realistic balancing act

[tropic light]

Last person to do that to me got perma banned here

[worthy charm]

Open top wouldnt have been enjoyable gameplay, espacially with recon players knowing where tanks are after about 3 second of them driving out of HW.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[tropic light]

@terry

[worthy charm]

xD

[tropic light]

#OhWait

[covert elbow]

That’s the balance of SPA’s. Is artillery unenjoyable because you keep getting shot at by arty?

Yeah. But how else do you balance it?

[potent burrow]

Shoot and scoot

[covert elbow]

At least with SPA’s you can drive away and reposition

[worthy charm]

Playing it, yes obviously

Countering it obviously no

[covert elbow]

With artillery your a sitting duck. And now players can just dismantle your guns

[potent burrow]

And maybe make the spas slower than light tanks but faster than mediums (or don't give them gears and make them automatic to facilitate moving)

That eliminates the open top tank issue to pretty much a skill issue

[covert elbow]

Point is there’s simple ways to do it

Now “SPAs” can only be countered with satchels, rockets, or tanks

[worthy charm]

These point summ up how it works well

You need teamplay and will be get close(-r) than with normal arty

Will it be fun?

Maybe

[covert elbow]

So if the SPA’s are firing, far behind enemy lines assuredly, you’ll have to get a get a recon tank or a squad with a bazooka to take them out

[worthy charm]

Maybe not

[covert elbow]

Oh also that. Why are we using OP’s to get better accuracy on the guns? Why not… idk have a circle around an artillery ping that increases accuracy in that area?

[worthy charm]

Not sure... Already asked myself that

Maybe it just give a passiv

[thin lotus]

what the hell is bullet 3 even saying

[worthy charm]

Like a radio for communications with which the accuracy increases.

[covert elbow]

It’s just the medic rework all over again. I’m asking myself “how did they even go through with this?”

[potent burrow]

Its so vague, also im pretty sure these tanks were all meant to be direct fire weapons

[covert elbow]

That doesn’t make any sense though. Artillery observers should stay away from the front for observation. Not getting within punching distance of the enemy to place down a marker for better accuracy

It’s just stupid!

[covert elbow]

They are! They by definition aren’t even SPA’s!

[potent burrow]

Not indirect fire, again these arent mobile arty like they are supposed to be

It's not a hummel its a direct fire support gun

[worthy charm]

We are putting to much thought into it again...

[cosmic pilot]

I don't get paid to think

[covert elbow]

They’re just tanks with artillery guns for direct fire!

[worthy charm]

People im gonna go and do Side stuff in KCD2.

[covert elbow]

If I put a 105mm howitzer on the back of my truck in a static position that doesn’t make it an SPA!

[worthy charm]

Im not gonna get paid to do anything

[covert elbow]

Have fun Willie’s. I’ll ping you when I get angry with people and need them banned

[potent burrow]

Doesn't this game deserve proper thought

[covert elbow]

I’m assuming it means that he tanks will have starionary turrets or something. Which doesn’t make sense because 2/3 of them have 360 turrets

Like you think about this for 5 seconds and you get so many questions

If anything the wording should be flipped. They should be able to fire indirectly but with difficulty

[cosmic pilot]

Unlikely

Other than the stug ofc

[covert elbow]

Stug isn’t being added

[cosmic pilot]

Inb4 world of tanks style artillery control

[covert elbow]

That’s the Brummbar

[cosmic pilot]

It's the stug with a heckin big short barrel

Unless it's a different chassis, then you can yell at me

[covert elbow]

It has the panzer IV chassis

[cosmic pilot]

The whole, accuracy increase with OPs things feels as out of touch as the tinker class tbh

[covert elbow]

So different chassis

[cosmic pilot]

Fine, you can yell at me

[covert elbow]

Like I said, this entire concept of buildable artillery and “SPAs” is so out of touch and confusing

It’s the medic “rework” all over again

These guys don’t know what there doing

[cosmic pilot]

Not really comparable.

[covert elbow]

I want to have a conversation with them so badly

[cosmic pilot]

Or the wrong comparison

[covert elbow]

How so

Cause im getting the same exact sense of bafflement as i did then

[cosmic pilot]

Because the medic rework only tweaked values.

Admittedly, commander gifted munitions is a new mechanic

As well as the Artillery OP

[minor peak]

🫩 what happened to dis game

[covert elbow]

Yes but it was a completely weird solution that didn’t handle the core issues of the game and didn’t really do anything good

[cosmic pilot]

This is closer to a proper rework

[past vortex]

no

[covert elbow]

It was also sloppy as hell

[covert elbow]

Damn you right

[cosmic pilot]

The medic rework wasn't a rework which was the issue, but it didn't hurt anything and if anything was only a slight improvement.

[covert elbow]

Same in spirit, not exact 1:1

[cosmic pilot]

Since everything was same same, but tweaked you can draw a linear line on improvement

[covert elbow]

It’s not what they actually adddd to the game in the end. It was my confusion and bafflement of choices and decisions that they did

[past vortex]

im not even sure if they are actually wrong
i mean they are ofc wrong
but they try to cater to the majority of players
and if you see how those play then its obvious thats very different from what we do

[cosmic pilot]

The new changes to artillery are different enough that you can't exactly draw a 1:1 comparisons of improvement because the new system will introduce it's own set of new problems

[covert elbow]

Ig

Why am I even here man. This games a legit abusive relationship for me

[cosmic pilot]

Which makes it really frustrating that their solution to the arty recon meta was to add more steps to it

It's the same loop, but with more steps

When the biggest problem with the loop is that it pulls people away from the active combat sector

[past vortex]

and that maes me think they are wrong after all
because all those brainless players sure cant keep up with all that

[slate canopy]

I think it may be a thing you take things to have to be a certain way, which is your way, for them to be enjoyable. A lot of us are interested in the changes, and curious how it will work out.

[cosmic pilot]

If you can actually talk to them they can come around to understand my positions on things.
But they don't think of it on their own to begin with.

[past vortex]

only some, many also get offended :}

[cosmic pilot]

By talk I mean use VC in-game lol

[past vortex]

me too

[cosmic pilot]

I save being offensive for the discord

[covert elbow]

Like I’ve said before. Add 3 mortar squads that have a range of like 500m and requires a commander drop or jeep to resupply the ammunition of the guns (also get rid of the supply’s to build them because it’s a weird system). It has the same effect of artillery but a bit weaker and it allows teams to not have to fully attack the mortars since it’s a limited ammunition + normal squads can more easily and consistently attack them without running 1600m across the map

It’s just the objectively best solution

Because what they did right now is just mortars with extra steps and worse

[past vortex]

no there are really a lot of players who spawn nearest garry and beeline the next point, no regards if thats over an open field or if defense is lost
and if you tell them they eighter ignore or even are offended

[cosmic pilot]

Supplies are kinda weird, but I honestly think having an arbitrary barrier to building stuff is fine.

[covert elbow]

Oh I never said I wasn’t curious to see how this works out

[past vortex]

you are :}

[covert elbow]

For gun emplacements it should just be ammo that’s required. Like instead of AT guns just being able to fire infinitely you have to have a jeep or commander ammo drop supply and resupply munitions

That way AT guns, enplaced MGs, mortars, etc aren’t super strong and give jeeps an actual use in game

[past vortex]

its one of the main mechanics that require coop and have hll stand out

[cosmic pilot]

This is a concept I have advocated for.
But splitting the resources into cost to build and cost to use is fine

[covert elbow]

And if the argument is “how would you coordinate that” that’s the kicker. You have to be a team to build these. What a shocker

[forest sparrow]

When this month is smolensk coming to ps5

[covert elbow]

I swear everyone just wants to play this game like a solo player and despite some people comments, that isn’t just how I want to play. The game is litteraly built and advertised for team work with anyone who’s played the game for a long time will tell you is the objective way to play the game

[cosmic pilot]

Mortars are not any different than AT gun buildables.
Which they should make the howitzer artillery anyway.

There's practically no reason to have them restricted to the HQ

Like, if you have to, make it restricted by grid row

[covert elbow]

It just adds to much and makes it weird. I’d rather specified roles be able to put down and pick back up emplacements instead of going through the whole chore of getting supply’s

[cosmic pilot]

Presumably once something is built you should be able to move it

[covert elbow]

Maybe add in a thing where within 100-200m you have to physically grab the weapon and move it but if you die and spawn 200m away from the emplacement then you get it back in your inventory

[cosmic pilot]

But eh, mechanics limitations are whatever

[covert elbow]

Then what’s even the point for using supply’s to build it

[cosmic pilot]

If you lose it then you need to use supplies to build it again

[covert elbow]

Supplies should be for fortifications and stuff that isn’t shooting, while ammo supply’s should be used for weapons

[cosmic pilot]

The point is having a cost to build

[covert elbow]

But if you loose it then you’d loose all your ammo for the gun

[cosmic pilot]

Sure

[covert elbow]

The ammo works as the supply for the gun

[covert elbow]

See what I mean then?

[cosmic pilot]

No

[covert elbow]

So if you are required to use supplies to place the gun would you automatically have ammunition once built or would you need to find ammo to be able to fire the weapon, in your hypothetical

[cosmic pilot]

Could be either

[sullen summit]

Is there another server for the upcoming Vietnam game?

[slate canopy]

Whole new game.

[sullen summit]

Sorry, could’ve been clearer. Is there a new discord server for it?

[slate canopy]

Nope, we have a seperate section. id:customize to find the vietnam roles

[sullen summit]

Okay, thanks

[covert elbow]

Okay so in my hypothetical it’s you place the weapon but have no ammo for it. Instead needing an outside source of ammunition like from an ammo bearer, jeep, or commander drop to be able to fire the weapon

Hence the ammo acting as the supplies

So you can put down the weapon where ever you want, but you can’t fire it until you get an ammo source

That’s why I think having a build requirement would just be redundant and unnecessary

[past vortex]

really. that you need someone else to do things in hll is the main mech that makes the game unique

[covert elbow]

Exactly. Especially for strong weapons like MG’s, mortars, AT guns, etc

If you want to solo and not care about anyone else join a rifle squad and run off with an SMG. But if you want to help the team in much stronger ways have team requirements

[smoky surge]

I dont remember servers crashing when we were able to do window jumps 🙃

[mellow knoll]

Woop woop, new suggestion time.

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1436517062481674266

@covert elbow Check it out <3

[empty quarry]

@smoky surge Is this a valid area to crashout on T17?

Or is there somewhere better?

[timid rampart]

quick question: why do people join offensive just to play arty all game

[minor peak]

for lots of kills

[covert elbow]

My internet’s to slow I can’t see half of them haha. Looks good though

[smoky surge]

Devs dont check this.

The HLL discord mods drinking the T17 Koolaid like @worthy charm sometimes see it

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/svt-seventeen-teameiric-jeonghan-drink-gif-17444531

[empty quarry]

@fluid pawn and who ever else needs to see this - please forward this to them.

Who in the world hired these devs???
Are we all vibe coding back there? Do we even know what a staging environment is? QA? Production? The concept of testing before pushing updates?

If I pushed something to prod at my company and it broke customer-facing systems, I’d be fired before lunch. Yet here we are ~weeks later~ with a semi-broken game,and a “fix” that didn’t fix much.

What on earth is going on behind the curtain?

Also free copy pasta to all the comp teams

you're welcome

[worthy charm]

Why ping me tho

[covert elbow]

Because your so special

[worthy charm]

As if I can do anything

uff

Ping Drew

or better polarbearr

:}

[covert elbow]

No

[empty quarry]

better?>

[smoky surge]

You have mod roles. Therefore you are responsible.

[empty quarry]

See Twad gets it

[worthy charm]

As if the devs listen to me

[smoky surge]

Do they listen to anyone?

[empty quarry]

Maybe if I throw on Syn tags Willes will get that we collude together

[worthy charm]

You guys would be crazy how OP tanks would get

-# even worse than now

[covert elbow]

They definitely don’t listen to me

[smoky surge]

@worthy charm give us back window jumps

[covert elbow]

Ew

[worthy charm]

Never

[covert elbow]

Your one of those players aren’t you

[finite berry]

This is why we can't have nice things

[empty quarry]

I am not sure the devs know what they are doing at all

[worthy charm]

ALso we have a whole thread about those somewhere here...

#1431050544168042630 this one

[smoky surge]

You're one of those roleplayers arent you

[empty quarry]

what does that mean

he's gotta be

[smoky surge]

Mains medic

[covert elbow]

At least I play the game normally and don’t use exploits

[empty quarry]

Or commander and drives in a jeep

[empty quarry]

definitely plays medic....

[smoky surge]

All I gotta say it, when we had window jumps, we didnt have server crashes.

[covert elbow]

Lot. Better than a supply truck

[finite berry]

I like how T17 somehow manages to give off "we genuinely learnt from our mistakes and want to improve" and "we don't listen to you and we don't know what we're doing either"-vibes simultaneously lol

[covert elbow]

Lmao true

[finite berry]

Although the former probably is largely due to Ben's community engagement

[smoky surge]

Blame @fluid pawn

[covert elbow]

Current state of HLL to a T

[worthy charm]

Dont blame the AI

[empty quarry]

Who are the other T17 people I can ping daily?

[covert elbow]

He’s trying his best

[finite berry]

me

[empty quarry]

I am gonna set up a simple script to ping all the T17 people in here daily until they get the message

[covert elbow]

Time to get banned ig

[worthy charm]

I dont want to be mean, but dont

[empty quarry]

weekly?

[worthy charm]

Naaah

[empty quarry]

Monthly?

[worthy charm]

I mean... I wouldnt...

[smoky surge]

you know they got this on mute

[worthy charm]

@finite berry ||Törken||

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/red-ball-angry-angry-fist-grr-gif-26521101

[smoky surge]

BenB will save us with all 37 hours of gametime

[slate canopy]

"Please refrain from tagging Team17 staff and developers." 🤫 It's in the ruuuules

[smoky surge]

Do you count as staff?

[slate canopy]

I ain't paid by them, so no.

[empty quarry]

Oh

[finite berry]

I mean, but Ben kinda is the CM, he's meant to get pinged lol

[empty quarry]

So... @smoky surge we can ping them?

[bold gale]

World need to know all this problems every day and every moment

[smoky surge]

devs working on fixing hll

[slate canopy]

Let's not. 😒

[bold gale]

But discord moderators don't responsible for game development...

[empty quarry]

no way....

They are still figuring out how to get their laptops on

[smoky surge]

How dare ye delete my tidepod challenege

[empty quarry]

I bet they ran rm rf ~ on a few servers

[covert elbow]

Can I ping the BM devs?

[slate canopy]

No?

[smoky surge]

Can T17 just give it back to BM? I bet it would be fixed in days

[past vortex]

i dont think they want it back

[covert elbow]

Why not? They aren’t the devs anymore

This is mod abuse

[past vortex]

i guess they would like to sell it again ofc

[covert elbow]

I don’t even think the old devs are here anymore anyway

[covert elbow]

Nah they’d make it much worse

We wouldn’t be getting any updates except new maps lmao

[smoky surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105022143307186247/1427386850120564887/attachment.gif

save us benb

[thorn pilot]

Still zapped rip

[slate canopy]

He can play whatever games he wants... ????

[bold gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895346806500778046/1335810896156692552/giphy_2.gif

[covert elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406434934934999080/1425558766572540087/attachment.gif

[smoky surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1394705035006574745/1428083996700446872/attachment.gif

@worthy charm come on boy

[covert elbow]

Okay that’s creepy

[worthy charm]

huh

[covert elbow]

Why do you have that???

[worthy charm]

Bro those are 3 year old games...

And why even bother

[smoky surge]

Life of a mod

[bold gale]

Herr "Field Howitzer" Willes

[worthy charm]

Its not like I say im good at the game nor that I have the most playtime.

[smoky surge]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-hired-gif-11569023

[covert elbow]

Why are comp players always weirdos

[worthy charm]

Idk, look at sam

[covert elbow]

I swear this happens a lot

[bold gale]

I'm based

[covert elbow]

Your also Russian

[worthy charm]

Or the worst of them all @full sky

-# im kidding

[bold gale]

And?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/talos-impressive-very-nice-american-psycho-gif-3623419817404181412

now look for mine >:)

[covert elbow]

No look for mine instead

I want to see my best game

[worthy charm]

Youre the best HLL player ever

[finite berry]

Of course I am

[covert elbow]

Nah that’s it

[finite berry]

It's not even close

[smoky surge]

You're so good, the devs had to nerf you by letting the servers keep crashing

[finite berry]

That's right

I was behind the DDoS attack as well

[covert elbow]

The man behind the DDoS

[past vortex]

he just used all those unused s44 servers

[full sky]

Im not that worse 😄

[wintry thistle]

What if he was black

[cosmic pilot]

do me

[cosmic pilot]

i think i figured it out, it's top games on a servers that are determined by a filter of some kind

so it's not considering all games, only games on some servers

[worthy charm]

Suuuuuure

[worthy charm]

#hll-memes

[fast jay]

posted again

[bitter bobcat]

Man whenever i talk people always vote kick me

They tell me to eat their “dih” and fugg off

Millenials now a days

[slate canopy]

Millenials?

[fast jay]

Ok boomer

[bitter bobcat]

They all call me squeaker

[fast jay]

Ok Zoomer

[bitter bobcat]

Not boomer bro

[bitter bobcat]

Thats the average age? No?

Most people who play are around there

[fast jay]

id say its a zoomer/millenial combo

if ur a squeaker then ur Alpha

[bitter bobcat]

I’m Z

[stoic garnet]

Ztin this dih

goteem

[fast jay]

Zro needs to Zugg off

[bitter bobcat]

Do that again and i’ll team kill and revive you non stop

[stoic garnet]

i dont wait for revives

my esc redeploy speedrun is unmatched

[fast jay]

Bro plays medic KEK

explains why ppl tell u to eat dih and fugg off

[stoic garnet]

on a more serious note, i talk a lot solo in pubs and anyone being rude is super rare

[bitter bobcat]

I got banned from every server for an hour and the game says error when i try to play

[stoic garnet]

just try to be a normal dude idk

[stoic garnet]

bans are not global

certain servers can ban you but it doesnt carry between them

[fast jay]

You got the MEGA autism if ur getting banned from EVERY server

[bitter bobcat]

Ik

[stoic garnet]

unless you got community bunkered for like racism

[bitter bobcat]

I got banned from like 5 of those sevrers

[fast jay]

something doesnt add up here

[bitter bobcat]

No kicked for an hour

[stoic garnet]

lol dude what are you doing

[fast jay]

kicked makes more sense

[stoic garnet]

to get removed so often you gotta be sperging out like crazy

its so hard to get temp banned

[bitter bobcat]

People just jealous

[slate canopy]

There is technically a Barricade thing between community servers that if you get removed from one, you can get removed from others (They report you, it's up to each to ban or not).

[fast jay]

I bet bro said the gamer word one too many times

[slate canopy]

You must have done something bad to do that 😅

[bitter bobcat]

Some guy was complaining about the artillery guy not soing his job so i just told him to team kill him and do the artillery job himself than i got votekicked

[stoic garnet]

oh you are just getting votekicked

thats not even a ban, but still getting chain votekicked is still impressive

[slate canopy]

If you're legitly banned, you'd havea message on how to appeal it on community servers.

Vote kick just bans you for an hour.

[stoic garnet]

from just that server

and it doesnt get shared

[slate canopy]

^

[bitter bobcat]

Yes bro

[slate canopy]

Correct.

[bitter bobcat]

And i kept joining new serverd

And like they all votekicked me

[stoic garnet]

so how are you racking up 1 hour bans faster than they expire

[fast jay]

5 straight kicks must mean u either didnt learn ur leson and/or ur really obnoxious

[stoic garnet]

you gotta be going crazy

i think i have 5 in 3 years and im toxic af

[bitter bobcat]

I kept giving out suggestions in officer chat and people got very mad

[fast jay]

maybe of that yapper

[slate canopy]

I've been vote kicked for stupid reasons but 😬

[fast jay]

what kinda suggestions

inb4 i hear the most dogwater suggestions

[bitter bobcat]

Some guy was complaining about the artillery guy not soing his job so i just told him to team kill him and do the artillery job himself than i got votekicked

[stoic garnet]

but thats pretty based

[fast jay]

yea no way theres gotta be more

[bitter bobcat]

That was like 1 suggestion

[slate canopy]

I mean... I've been vote kicked a couple times for being female 😬 whoops lol

[fast jay]

to be kicked 5 times IN A ROW

[worthy charm]

How dare you

[fast jay]

this on a EU server? never seen this problem on NA servers

[bitter bobcat]

I mean people just get mad now adays

[fast jay]

EU kicks are so fast

[slate canopy]

A couple different ones. I don't remember exactly.

[fast jay]

all that repressed rage

[slate canopy]

One time I was a spotter, on final point, asking a support player if I could have explosive ammo for a flare refill. He's like "You a woman?" I said yes. He attempts to, then successful TKs... and does the vote kick and says in chat "Because woman" lol

[slate canopy]

🙇‍♀️ Sorry

[fast jay]

lmaooo thats why he got kicked

[worthy charm]

That emoji

Oh wow

[slate canopy]

It's the bow! lol

[bitter bobcat]

Bow down to your superiors foul woman

[slate canopy]

Ew, gross.

[fast jay]

professional unemployed

[stoic garnet]

hang on its coming together

[fast jay]

console
woman hater
bad at game
plays medic

Oh yeah, its all coming together

[bitter bobcat]

Medic is the most useful role

[fast jay]

[stoic garnet]

explain

[bitter bobcat]

I either play medic or officer

[fast jay]

funniest comment ive seen today

[bitter bobcat]

But they get mad when i play officer

[worthy charm]

Heresy

[fast jay]

prob cuz ur bad

[stoic garnet]

explain that too

[slate canopy]

Are you not putting your OP up? Not marking stuff?

[fast jay]

if you think medic is good, then thats very telling about how you play officer (i.e. badly)

[bitter bobcat]

No they all muted me because they couldn’t vote kick me once ( I later got votekicked) but all i’m tryna do is help yk. Like they just be yapping 99% of the time like shut up just make people go boom and we win

[slate canopy]

Nothing wrong with conversation. 😬

Unless it's completely overwhelming call outs... but you can chat and do call outs.

[stoic garnet]

Do you mind if i peer into my orb rq?

Do you happen to be a late teens only child with older parents? (50+ currently?)

[fast jay]

is this console exclusive behavior? this never happens on PC, unless ur lying ur butt off. Were you hot miccing?

[bitter bobcat]

People also get mad when i tell them to sacrifice themself for me but whatever

[fast jay]

there it is

[bitter bobcat]

No

[stoic garnet]

damn

[fast jay]

im gonna bet on hot miccing

instant mute for most ppl

[bitter bobcat]

Eh

They usually just TK me and tell me to swallow their dih whole

[fast jay]

If u were hot miccing, Id do that too

[stoic garnet]

i would kill to be in officer chat in one of your games

i just gotta know what flavor of tism you pour into chat to get these reactions

[bitter bobcat]

I don’t hot mic

They all started cheering when i was about to be kickdd

[stoic garnet]

Inspiring that level of participation takes talent, most VKs go off in silence

[fast jay]

you mustve been REALLY bad

[stoic garnet]

i have yet to hear applause on a VK in 2000 hours so far

[bitter bobcat]

They have it all wrong

Im just trying to help out tbh

[stoic garnet]

have you watched those downfall of pirate software videos?

I might be outing myself as terminally online but

[bitter bobcat]

No..?

[fast jay]

i still stand by my statement that you are leaving out a lot of info. from what ur saying they HATED You, and based on what you SAID u did theres a lot missing

or really twisting the story

[bitter bobcat]

Anyways

나는ㅅ 오늘

Ima sleep

[fast jay]

gn fella

[stoic garnet]

i would reflect, its rare that 100s of strangers who dont gaf about you from the trees all agree you suck to be around

might provide valuable insights that stick with you throughout your life!

[slate canopy]

잘자요. Byeeee.

[fast jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-jongun-hi-hello-dictador-gif-12672400

gn from NK

[past vortex]

its great at flipping tanks with all the smokes

[covert elbow]

Did they add the Aleutian campaign yet?

[solemn glacier]

Anyone know the CTRL ALT DEFEAT hell fire discord?

[slate canopy]

You can probably find it in #1343090646168240199 , if not, lemme know.

[obtuse dragon]

yk

it would be cool if guns like the shotgun could actually dismember a part of the body instead of turning the entire corpse of the enemy into an unrecognizable red mist

[plucky condor]

anyone wanna play now?

[frosty hedge]

so uhh

Imperial japan team when

[covert elbow]

@worthy charm time for the thing

[solar slate]

reading thru the dev blog the arty changes actually seem pretty well thought out

i maintain having a mortar squad of 5 with 2 mortars wouldve led to more emergent gameplay but at least you can now go kill the enemy arty for a while without having to spawncamp

[analog apex]

I honestly didn't notice there was a devBrief yesterday 😄 , I did read just the telegram and somehow missed the link to the devBrief.

now the arty question from you makes more sense @nova pivot

[analog apex]

My take about the plans for static arty guns:

Instead of the static artillery gun costing munitions to fire, it will have a limited supply of ammunition that can be replenished by a commander ability costing munitions

• So... if there is no Commander, there is no way to replenish the static arty ammo even if we used the truck supply box? No such mechanic planned? The arty could be simply drawing -xy of supplies from the truck's (unloaded) supply box, around -15 supplies per HE round (so a full sup truck would then allow 20 HE shells to be fired from its 2x150 supply boxes) and -10 supplies per smoke round. Could be a free rearm solution - the artymen would need to bring the ammo (aka supplies) from the HQ themselves.
• Also...** the static arty guns should be starting empty** imo. - what is stopping the artymen from just re-building the gun when they run out of ammo, in order to get yet another initial starting ammo? I know... the 5m cooldown, but that one may be already up by the time they run out of ammo... depending on how it works. More about that further below.
• In any case, it should require some effort to set up an arty position - would be best if they rly needed the sup truck box for (re)filling the ammo for free, aside of the CMD's power to refill it for ammunition resource cost.

Artillery guns can now be dismantled by opposing players simply by holding F (interact key). They can also be damaged/destroyed by explosive weapons.
Missed opportunity - here the devs could have used the new TNT we have tested in the OBJECTIVE gamemode PTE some time ago, would be perfect for the recon squad for destroying the arty guns or nodes. Holding "F" should not be a way of how to get rid of an arty gun, so cheap. Equipment should be used.
...

Should an artillery gun be dismantled/destroyed then it must be rebuilt using the same amount of supplies it was originally constructed with. There is a cooldown of 5 minutes before another gun can be built.
I hope the cooldown starts cooling down the moment when the gun gets destroyed and not from the moment when it's build.

Reduced range from 1600m to 1400m. This means they are incapable of firing into the final objective on any map
Hmmm... not sure how they mean this. They say they are buildable or not? So they can reach even enemy last point or HQ if they get built close enough. I will have to see how they work.

---

In general - I still believe the static arty guns should have no place in HLL's small maps. They should be replaced with deployable__ mortars__, limited to like around 3 two-men mortar squads per team, each mortar squad with 1 mortar.

[hazy owl]

I believe the static arty will be in the same place as now you just need to build it

[analog apex]

In any case, here above's my answer to your question. 🙂

[analog apex]

if that would be so, then the recon squad still has to go into enemy HQ and spawncamp whoever who wants to use or rebuild that arty

5m after being destroyed is not even that long time... and the artymen will keep spawning right in the HQ, right next to those gun's locations

Without any mortars being implemented, the recon squads will still have just 1 objective when it comes to the arty - and that will be the static arty. They won't bother searching for SPAs when they won't be able to destroy them. I definitely wouldn't I would still go for the HQ arty guns.

On the other hand, if there were mortar squads and mortars and no static arty, I would have a good reason to be searching for them, never knowing where they exactly are and not requiring me to spawncamp the enemy HQs.

The new static arty meta will be just another form of bad stuff. It will be different, but** nothing substantial rly changes for the recon vs arty loop.**

actually, I guess I should store all this feedback into a thread...

[analog blade]

Yeah it looks like we will get way too much arty now, especially for offensive game mode

[analog apex]

...need to see how many SPAs will be possible to be fielded and for how much fuel. But once more even there - the SPAs could be used for big booms, the mortars for small booms. And static arty guns removed completely.

As long as there is even a single static arty gun in the enemy HQ, recon is just forced to go there and know where it is.

I just hate how the mortars were not ever mentioned even once so far... the devs act like they never existed. 😡

[sick bramble]

Kv2 and brumbar as an arty gun is a bit cursed

[patent hull]

lmao

they went lol lets put derp gun tanks in job done

[bold gale]

Pacific

[analog apex]

so... played my 1st round today. After like 20m 1st I got I got fatal error when I was using redeploy to give up fast after getting Tkeyed, then I went to another server just for the VOIP to stop working and be stuck on "connecting" and then crashing with fatal error again when using quit button to restart the game.

Seriously... I am fed up with this sh?t. The game was never so unstable and broken like now.

if the normal client/branch is so usntalbe, what's gonna be the dev branch like? straight unplayable?

[hazy owl]

I believe it was mentioned with Vietnam announcement and the possibility of implementing it in HLL based on the work of the Vietnam dev team.

[solar slate]

fully agree its an improvement but it doesnt have even half the moment to moment gameplay benefits as mortars would have

[nova pivot]

Yeah, What I thought

The fact that you can build the weapon anywhere doesn't seem like the best idea to me; you'll be able to camp the HQs super easily.

[analog blade]

I sure hope so, still going to drain fuel, which will affect tank game in a zero sum way, and max spawned vehicle limit will need to be increased slightly from 5 to 6 or7

[analog blade]

They mentioned reducing range from 1600 to 1400 , so yes only in hq. Still think it should be removed entirely

[nova oracle]

“Rows and rows of white tombs and for what? A country of today? No.I’m sorry. The Sacrifice wasn’t worth the result.”

-Alex Penstone

British Second World War Vet

[kind fable]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[analog apex]

I believe you mean the ones that were for kickstarter backers only.

[nova oracle]

Drink up, me heartys yo ho

[nova oracle]

I’ve never seen a big red 1 helmet on console

[nova oracle]

Do you mean the cover mesh veil for recon?

[nova oracle]

They should let us move AT guns with the jeeps

Hook it on and drive the AT wherever, drop it off

Instead of wasting 50 supply every-time

Clans and Competitive clans being able to host their own PTE’s is going to be a fruitful benefit because then they can test this stuff in a much more structured way and before public release

On a Sidenote when are we getting Galactic Conquest for hell let loose?

Imagine moving your tank around the board as you and your team fight to hold the different areas of Europe/ the maps

[sick bramble]

Or make them rotate faster, not for 3 minutes

[nova oracle]

A trained AT crew would be able to move that so quick

Didn’t they have a pulley or am I thinking of AA FLAK?

[kind fable]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[solar slate]

that'd be sick but with the track record of vehicle physics in thsi game i rather have a placeable that works

[graceful current]

Hi guys, I have been playing this game for a few years now. But I have ran into an issue. No one speaks, there is no communication and officers dosn't do their job. It's probably because of the servers I am playing on, but is there any way to find active servers like those from the good old days?
Like servers with microphone requirement?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[solar slate]

@worthy charm only way is to play clan matches

Witj pubs, maybe you get lucky joining into a level gated server on a Friday when people get off work

[orchid dawn]

tea and country is also a good server with good comms

[worthy charm]

I could take part in one... sadly I have to drive home today...

I need to get my car back, the Deutsche Bahn are the worst.

[past vortex]

wdym, almost half of the trains are on time

[worthy charm]

Kind of

But im not to fond of being in a train 4h a day

[pine ember]

Why not?

Trains are cool

https://tenor.com/view/deutsche-bahn-thank-you-travelling-gif-25985432

[nova pivot]

That's because you don't know RENFE.

[nova pivot]

This☝️

[pine ember]

My favourite train is the Schwerer Gustav

Completely pointless but completely cool

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/furry-renfe-orenji-orenji-okami-gif-4930589165345080308

[past vortex]

idk, some might say your god is like that "satan"

[unborn gyro]

Is there anyone doing HR?

[past vortex]

hessischer rundfunk?

[lime haven]

will hll ever get better optimization?

[past vortex]

no

[analog apex]

so... summary of my HLL sessions today - several times VOIP broken, several times Fatal error! and 2x mass connection lost to host
and countless other bugs like... clicks not registering on the buttons or weapon fire, hitreg problems etc. etc.

[nova pivot]

😀

[analog apex]

that hotfix 3 better be good... but I have a feeling it's gonna be another empty one

[worthy charm]

Just dont crash

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-12235698292103539607

[analog apex]

I don't, the game does.

[worthy charm]

Suuuuuuuure

[earnest stirrup]

just had back to back crashes, the second clearing all my settings

thanks t17

[analog apex]

they keep adding things and changing some mechanics which is good... however the stability & performance & overall bugs level is so bad. Just checked HLL's steamchart page... -255 HLL players just in the first 8 days of this month.

It can't go on like this forever...

And even PTE cancelled because of problems.

[past vortex]

wdym
they are just trying to hold out til q5/26 when hllv releases

[analog apex]

right

I wouldn't be surprised if they were working on the Berlin map already (as that one is supposed to be the last one for HLL).

[past vortex]

its just like cpus, just dont burn them

[worthy charm]

Impossible

Intel set me up I swear

[covert elbow]

Genuinely what the hell are you talking about dude

[fleet jacinth]

I haven't played since the first day of update 18. Their massive fkups and the new death screen have put me off playing. And reading posts like this just make me sad.

[past vortex]

the specific imaginary thing he chooses to believe
the strange part is that of all possible figments he chooses an evil one

[covert elbow]

I dont care

He could believe in the moon monkeys

[past vortex]

are those evil?

[covert elbow]

I don’t know why y’all are talking about this stuff in general

Bring it to DM’s if ya want to discuss it

[past vortex]

yea dm ninja

[covert elbow]

Are you Russian?

[past vortex]

its the russian propaganda that makes people think so

[modest agate]

Is the m26 Pershing in the game?

No way

Damn be a nice addition although it saw limited combat

Me too

I’d take a western map

[worthy charm]

Werent there only 26 ever in western europe?

Imagine even the new KV2 is more common

[modest agate]

I thought the number was at least in the 50’s

[analog apex]

just as Fjg were not fighting on Utah, and yet we can play as them

hell, even in Stalingrad

[modest agate]

They were in remagen

[worthy charm]

Make it make sense

[modest agate]

Only map that should be allowed for the Pershing historically accurate aswell

[nova pivot]

None

The game will just end

[modest agate]

I’d like to see Berlin or Paris

[worthy charm]

You dont want to see Berlin

[nova pivot]

Only if we get Spanish soldiers from "la nueve"

[worthy charm]

Maybe you think you want, but you dont

[analog apex]

☝️
if you will ever see Berlin in HLL, it will mean you won't see any new map afterwards

[modest agate]

Man I’d prefer some more city style maps with partial rural zones

I’m hoping Smolensk will be great

[worthy charm]

Smolensks should be like that

The tac map looks like it

[analog apex]

nope, actually it doesn't

[modest agate]

Did they release it?

[covert elbow]

No they didn’t. They had marine advisors but they didn’t field them

[modest agate]

Is there a map drop for Smolensks

[analog apex]

https://26630753.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/26630753/Hell Let Loose/Dev Brief 211/Tac Map.jpg

[worthy charm]

Look at the latest dev brief in #telegrams

[worthy charm]

Or that

[modest agate]

I did I guess I scrolled over

I check every week idk how I missed that fr

Thx yall

How so?

The way the game works with points it’s usually 3 lanes

[analog apex]

the bottom line of the map - the river f???s it all - border of the map on one side, river on the other. No way to naturally flank around those strongpoints that all will be pushed on the map's border.

[fallen ravine]

Just shoot the enemy

[modest agate]

100% the river gone be crossable I don’t see the issue

[analog apex]

even if it would be, we are still talking about bad or worse

those southern objectives will be the worst ones to fight for

[modest agate]

I don’t get the hate

Is the map running horizontal or ? Am I missing something

This map nothing like that?

Yall realize the bridge is the center point on both those maps? 😭

[slate canopy]

But Remagen's is worse than Driels

[modest agate]

Yes but smolensks looks nothing like either those

So I fr don’t get what yall r saying

Almost all the maps are vertical?

I’m pretty sure this will be the same

I really don’t get what yall are complaining about this looks like a decent map

They emphasize city combat I doubt the bridges gone have issues

Dawg what…

The maps are vertical

[analog apex]

several both vertical and horizontal maps out there already, always have been

[modest agate]

I feel like you don’t know what ur talking abt

Or u just play 2 maps

Alr dude

You gotta be rage baiting 💀

You do though half the maps in HLL are vertical you numb skull

Another person even confirmed that

Mf yes u do

[covert elbow]

Yes you do????

[modest agate]

Sparrow you gotta be stupid holy crap

[covert elbow]

If it’s horizontal you move horizontally. If it’s vertical you move vertically

That’s how the maps work

[modest agate]

You tryna make your point a very stupid way and it ain’t happening

I see what ur saying but cmon

I think you like to argue ✌️

[covert elbow]

The objectives you dunce

You don’t soley move horizontally or vertically

[modest agate]

Just ignore him dawg atp lol

[limber dome]

Just installed hll again, why tf is the respawn time so short

[covert elbow]

But the objectives are in either horizontal or vertical placement

[modest agate]

Okay cool

I’d rather not lmao

[analog apex]

what are you talking about? nothing has ever changed on that front... 10s for HQs, 20s for OPs, 40s for garrisons etc. ... all in waves you can catch or miss

[modest agate]

What was your point… @nova oracle

I’ve only met a handful of chill ppl who were in clans man the rest 😬

[covert elbow]

Same

[modest agate]

Nah there weirdos

[covert elbow]

There’s like… 3 actual MilSims for this game dude

[modest agate]

Sparrow bro ur cooked

Bro has to be right 🤣

[nova pivot]

Milsin is not just about using military ranks within the clan

[covert elbow]

As someone who’s looked for a MilSim and tried to start my own, there’s not that many milsims

99% of this games community’s are clans

[modest agate]

Sparrow btw ur buns at commander u abandoned the team

[wintry thistle]

You wouldn’t make it in Squad tanking

[covert elbow]

How about you pack your bags and go play black ops 7

Would make the game much more enjoyable for the rest of us not having people not playing defense and ignoring orders

[modest agate]

Didn’t get your way and put the blame on your team when you were commander then you dipped mid match and we won without you dawg
@nova oracle

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[modest agate]

What is today Saturday

It was Thursday night I believe and no am I walking around with a webcam you got the same user as in game though and your attitude proves it

🧢

[nova pivot]

I would say this guy is at kedo level

[modest agate]

Bro’s a lawyer he loves to argue when he’s been proven wrong by more than a handful of people

[nova pivot]

@worthy charm execute him

[worthy charm]

Who

[modest agate]

^

[covert elbow]

Then where’d this come from?

#mess-hall message

[nova pivot]

The pirate

[modest agate]

ong

[wintry thistle]

Tbf sparrow isn’t much of a unique name

[modest agate]

The darn pirate @worthy charm

[worthy charm]

Arrrrr

[covert elbow]

Considering he joined the day Kedo was banned in 98% sure it’s him

Just bought a better translator

[wintry thistle]

It’s not Kedo

[modest agate]

Dude he rage baiting so hard

[nova pivot]

Stop playing fool and shoot him

[wintry thistle]

It’s something much older

[modest agate]

Insulting others intelligence

Execute order

[analog apex]

66

[modest agate]

🤣

[covert elbow]

He did say earlier we should kill people who are “mad” and that we need to have more wars to “toughen people up”

[nova pivot]

I think he just gets bored at home and starts dumping his shi in here

[covert elbow]

Also started ranting about godless behaviors

[modest agate]

He’s just rage baiting it a funny word to use but it’s the truth

[covert elbow]

I feel like we all know what needs to happen

Ban the alt account

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/execution-gif-24034353

[modest agate]

Sparta do u only run recon?

[nova pivot]

Nah I'm play everything

All rounded player

[modest agate]

Similar name to ur d user for game?

[nova pivot]

Are you asking for my t17 Id?

[modest agate]

Bro I ain’t even talking to u

@nova pivot yes

[covert elbow]

Good

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-stop-it-blushing-shucks-say-more-gif-874064050021273187

[modest agate]

Get off the discord man

“ you need to leave!”

[analog apex]

what's even the topic right now?

[nova pivot]

It's "BIG FLOPPA "

[modest agate]

I’ll just pm u

[nova pivot]

Alphy flirting with me

[modest agate]

OKAY OKAY

Hold on

[lapis cloud]

Is Finland thing yet?

If not imma head out

[analog apex]

nope

who knows if it ever will be

[lapis cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/nileseyy-niles-peace-out-disappear-meme-disappearing-guy-checking-out-gif-25558985

[slate canopy]

👋 Take care

[meager timber]

games dead guys

[slate canopy]

4k in game. Yup, so dead. 👍

[nova pivot]

Is this some kind of discrimination?

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-exfloppa-anonraid-ex-floppa-gif-22688938

[slate canopy]

Or... just don't use language that's related to grooming. We don't discriminate on age here. 😬

[nova pivot]

Yeah this

16+*

[slate canopy]

🤷‍♀️ If you want.

Please confirm your request to be timed out.

Enjoy your break.

[nova pivot]

Is he dead?

[covert elbow]

Banished to the shadow realm

I swear we always get the weirdos

[nova pivot]

I love how he just changed every thing from his profile

🤣

[covert elbow]

Including stopping his boosting of the server

That guy really was on something

[slate canopy]

Let's move on 🙂

[silk igloo]

weirdos are real people. all the normal people are robots

[covert elbow]

I swear Kedo has the strangest alts

[nova pivot]

Ye

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

Terminator DLC for HLL when

[worthy charm]

[nova pivot]

William

👋

[worthy charm]

Thats not even my name sir

[nova pivot]

Willhelm

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[nova pivot]

Torken

[covert elbow]

Willititham?

[nova pivot]

Willburg

[worthy charm]

Burg in Burg bei Magdeburg

[nova pivot]

Ooo

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/chika-melt-bounce-dumb-gif-26853524

[nova pivot]

I know it

It's:

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1431200877628100730/BasketBergCascade.gif

[nova pivot]

Al-Hadmed Bashed Eduardo Williamson

[worthy charm]

Thats... actually kinda close

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-close-that-was-close-ryan-higa-higatv-thats-a-close-call-its-a-near-miss-gif-27205764

[reef breach]

When is the release of the new update?

[slate canopy]

Which one? The hotfix or U19?

[oak current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1423672884764737697/a7zubl.gif