mess-hall

[cyan saddle]

There have been devs in chat but yall were too focused on mess hall to notice 👀

[wind shore]

Oh.. Uhm, Hi than?

[fringe hollow]

shhh dont let the masses know

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-cg5-impostor-imposter-cg5among-us-gif-18626035

[fluid pawn]

Alright I need to go eat dinner. I'll catch you guys in the morning hopefully with some positive news 🙂

[cosmic pilot]

Trade offer.
You receive: my undivided love and affection.
I receive: the privilege of being the only person you listen to for feedback.

[sterile barn]

Honestly, it makes no sense to just go after the CM or dev team every time an update goes wrong or gets delayed. They already know it’s frustrating they’re the ones stuck fixing it all. Yeah, there are definitely things they could improve on, and sure, the community has every right to be annoyed sometimes. But at least we’ve got a studio and dev team that actually care enough to keep working on the game and trying to make it better.

its funny to make a slight joke, but carrying it on 24/7 does nothing but waste your own time, And makes those look stupid

[worthy charm]

Thats a bad offer

[past veldt]

No, we've offered to support their efforts in QA by hosting true 50v50 events where they can get real feedback on mechanics and bugs.

They do not care

[cosmic pilot]

Propose counter offer

[past veldt]

They can have 500 people on an event on a Tuesday evening any week they want to help them develop the game... They don't want feedback

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/rcu-gif-20816313

Also

[cosmic pilot]

The players don't know what they want.

[worthy charm]

Dont be too Critical please,

-# im sorry

[sterile barn]

There is more than one person who makes that decision, And we as a whole have no idea about the behind the scenes so, Nothing you can really do. If in the future they take on QA testers or a set community to test updates via gameplay on the test brancch that would be amazing but then again things take time

[celest nymph]

Honestly the fixes to tank driving have been much improved. Thanks to T17 for making tanks much more pleasant to drive

[past veldt]

Nah, they're a small studio. They could decide this next week.

[wind shore]

On the one hand, it doesn't make sense, you're, but on the other hand, it does, because he is the messenger in that sense. We have a small player base, and all these “updates” only make things worse. It's understandable why they wanted to release an update so quickly. Nevertheless, it's cheeky to release a hotfix after just three weeks, let alone test the updates beforehand.

[potent cipher]

I play game like insurgency sandstorm, ready or not, isonzo, dayz. I'm thinking about getting hell let loose. Is the game worth it as of right now? Is the playerbase active?

[worthy charm]

You know im not complaining, but its kinda broken that the Jumbo 76 can do a 180 degree turn in 4th gear on one spot.

[sterile barn]

I mean they stated in there testing enviroment these bugs/errors didn't occur, So there really isn't much you can do after that, Unless you have QA Testers 🤷

[slate canopy]

We are having some connection issues but it looks like they found the cause and on the fix route. Player base is a little down because of that but still active.

[fringe hollow]

usually QA gets paid and why would T17, the company not the HLL team, pay MORE people?

[sterile barn]

76, 180 is funny to look at especially when the driver turns the wrong way 😂

[sterile barn]

You're talking to me as though i have no clue lol. no company wants to spend more money if they don't have too 😂

[potent cipher]

As long i ain't paying for nothing I'm fine with it

[fringe hollow]

I was commenting as a whole, I expect you're a smart person

[potent cipher]

I'll purchase it then

Hope it gets fixed asap

[sterile barn]

I have a decent amount of knowledge to know what im talking about atleast

[fringe hollow]

I would hope so or you might be like Elise

[sterile barn]

(that is also not a dig)

[blazing nacelle]

we're beyond the point of rollback at this point.

[potent cipher]

People say hll is a walking simulator

And man I'm a dayz player walking is my ultimate skill

I'm master walker ultra deluxe 15th regiment

[finite berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489434624284426272/1430975441145036920/image0.png?ex=68fbbb3b&is=68fa69bb&hm=8d4058b0885edcbadc7e2ab652e3c8f23f617a8fc631428a6f347b4e21d2c6d5&

[past veldt]

Please stop using my name all the time

[finite berry]

:(

[potent cipher]

Not even a gif 🙏

[sterile barn]

oh so you're elise

[meager timber]

man they really got my hopes up with the latest telegram. finding a physics related bug that is caused by a specific chain of events is really hard so hats off to the devs. could possibly give insights as to what is causing the fatal errors in general

[worthy charm]

ohhhh elise is the worst

:}

These S44 players

[fringe hollow]

ive been wanting to try S44 but smaller playerbase means sweatier players (usually)

[finite berry]

No, I'm not, that's why it's my name

[azure ether]

Horse

My horse brother

[blazing nacelle]

They won't rollback simply because they have zero way of reproducing the crash in a "Dev environment"

[finite berry]

Not really, learning curve is just steeper and the game punishes you harder

[finite berry]

;)

[azure ether]

Valentine's day

[fringe hollow]

oooh my favorite. weed out the BF players

[potent cipher]

Battlefield in the old 2025

[fringe hollow]

people dog on this game bcause of the update and then say "im going to play BF6" lmao

[azure ether]

Hell yeah

[red totem]

New telegram from devs. "We know how important stability is to your experience"
OH REALLY NO WAY

[potent cipher]

you can guess the level of players they are when they say something like this

[sterile barn]

can already tell how you are 😂

[fringe hollow]

Usually the people who post a wall of text with the first sentence saying their hour count.

[meager timber]

In the statement from Kieran they said that the problem might have been present in the development environment for a while now and that's what got me hopeful. If the fatal errors are tied to the engines physics then solving the problem could maybe get rid of them entirely. Would be nice

[finite berry]

I'm good, thanks :)

[azure ether]

Would you?

[potent cipher]

"I have 43 hours in this tactical shooter and honestly it's so trash, you just spawn, walk, and die without seeing any enemies. Also this game expects me to socialize?!? I really need to talk with my teammates to be able to do something? In a tactical shooter? No way! Battlefield all the way 🗣️"

I didnt even play hll yet but I know how stuff works, as an insurgency player

[sick bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/squishmallow-squishmallows-deer-fawn-reindeer-gif-11592488359765587014

[finite berry]

True lmao

[fringe hollow]

"As my 2,483.8 hours shows, I know what I'm talking about when I say ruining my seal clubbing meta made me upset. Let me dominate or game bad!"

I didnt play HLL but it's common sense if you just THINK for like 10 seconds instead of holding run off the spawn

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-nope-no-i-dont-think-so-jack-black-gif-14341669

[azure ether]

Horse

[wind shore]

Horse?

[potent cipher]

"what I'm trying to say I'm just a sweatlord that wants to be a lone wolf and do my own thing without contributing to my teammates. I want cocained up movement and 0 recoil. I just can't let go off cod and battlefield even though they've been providing hot dirt for the past 15 years but honestly they are so much better than these tactical boredom shooters"

[fringe hollow]

Maybe not the complex things but the fact that there is a point that needs defended, one needs attacking, and spawns can be taken down means they need defended too. Doesnt take brain power (hopefully)

[worthy charm]

hopefully

:´}

[blazing nacelle]

the statement says they found a cause for the crash, but then proceeds to not say what it was. Also what does "attaching development tools to clients on a live server" consist of? what information is it actually gathering?

[fluid pawn]

I can reassure that we have a QA testing team, however the issue that's caused this (at least what we have found today) is needle in a haystack thing, which unfortunately meant finding it in testing environment would have been super lucky

[fringe hollow]

No no, they claim they are helping the team by solo flanking wide to take out that tank. Yes you're helping the team but you aren't doing it without TEAMWORK

[meager timber]

1. Irrelevant for the playerbase
2. A live debugger

[fervent dagger]

I mean... If they actually told people what the cause was then people will trigger it intentionally, let's be real.

[azure ether]

I want the Michael Jackson one

[fluid pawn]

We're hoping it'll be soon ❤️

[potent cipher]

"What is teamwork? I wanna play the game however I want. I wanna be the hero of the situation 🗣️"

I do not want to socialize like a human being I'm just a sweatlord plant

Then I reserve the right to blame my teammates for losing

[fluid pawn]

I'm glad that you guys liked the update from Kieran. Will definitely do more detailed stuff like this in the future 🫡

[fringe hollow]

Tactical "if we don't win, no one does" inbound!

[potent cipher]

Man everyone can play whatever they want unless they wanna do something that just don't work in some games

Not every game is made for everyone

[grizzled kiln]

They most def weren't lol

[fluid pawn]

The statement says we've found how to cause a crash, however not the exact react. Finding how the crash happens is the most difficult part, and now we're able to break this down into its parts and find the exact cause

[grizzled kiln]

It's a big step !

[sterile barn]

Yeah understandable mate, Im not complaining in any way

[fringe hollow]

Just need to explain a little more in depth for those in the back who were busy eating crayons.

[past vortex]

good think that finally happened given that the bug was there for years already :}

[grizzled kiln]

And thanks for sharing with us @fluid pawn . Keep doing that moving forward and we'll be in a better place with the game eventually.

[fast jay]

If you remove the negative stuff, you can really see the cope

[fluid pawn]

Appreciate that all ❤️ Now, back to making dinner

I just had to pop back in to clarify a few things 🫡

[fringe hollow]

you mean the political related thing? Yeah point proven

[potent cipher]

Your pfp looks like you're locked and loaded for a payday. Time for the louvre score?

[blazing nacelle]

literally every update had bugs, not a single update didn't come with something new

[river rover]

"Reproduction" is the biggest goal for troubleshooting and finding a resolution. With them being able to now reproduce at will, allows them to figure out a resolution much easier. This has always been an issue with crashes is being able to do step 1 and step 2 and BINGO crash. This is huge and where we need to be in the future.

[grizzled kiln]

Are you kidding me ? I started playing in early 2021 and it was a buggy mess with BM as well.

[fringe hollow]

No no, it hit me in the face with a nasty splat with how bad it was.

[grizzled kiln]

Exactly. That is by far the hardest part, to be able to reproduce.

[potent cipher]

No one gave a f about me, until I've put the mask

[covert elbow]

BM’s updates were filled with bugs what do you mean???

[blazing nacelle]

I remember how broken the game was with the first armor overhaul 😂 stuarts were flying a thousand meters into the air

[covert elbow]

And most of the content they had by the end was the same mediocre quality of today

You obviously don’t know me

[past vortex]

dont forget fatal errors always were a thing, they only bothered to find out now that the player numbers took a hit :}

[fringe hollow]

stop hating so hard. See? no one will do it just because you said it

[covert elbow]

I hate both T17 and BlackMatter equally

[potent cipher]

Guys make love not war

[blazing nacelle]

it's a war game to be fair

[covert elbow]

Wait

[potent cipher]

Make hell let loose, not war

[covert elbow]

Oh my god it’s you

How tf did I not recognize your name

[fringe hollow]

positive criticism ≠ d riding

[potent cipher]

Dayum

Yeah that's pretty bad

[fringe hollow]

I think reworking tanks was positive, the OBVIOUS issues are not. Does anyone look on the bright side anymore?

[blazing nacelle]

pause real quick, let me grab some popcorn.

[river rover]

What game isn't full of bugs. It's always a matter of chasing them down. RAID© doesn't always work. 🙁

[fringe hollow]

good luck in class, study hard

[potent cipher]

Call of duty has reached such a low point where literally no one even cares about it anymore. Black ops 7 is finished before arrival. And honestly they deserve it.

That's what happens when devs ignore community

[cerulean iris]

typically this is done before release lmao

[potent cipher]

No matter how big you are if you f up you're falling

So nah no game will ever try to be like cod cause that would be suicide

[blazing nacelle]

every AAA game within the last 10 years has literally been released in an early access state

[covert elbow]

Not to this extent. HLL has always had more stability and technical issues than any game I’ve seen. There simply isn’t an excuse to give them except BM didn’t know how to code the game and then didn’t bother to even try and fix the game so we end up at today

[river rover]

You can't equate for millions of different variables in the wild so some aren't seen when done by QA and even development environments.

[meager timber]

have you ever played osrs? :D

[river rover]

Spaghetti is messy.

[fringe hollow]

I hope to all the gods that none of you play arma reforger. People might actually get angry then

[past vortex]

some have useful crashdumps and/or logs tho :}

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-cat-slap-cat-gif-4247750723664273627

[covert elbow]

Disregarding the technical bug issues. Stalingrad still stutters, has FPS drops, and Crashes frequently. Tanks are completely broken with the panther being neigh unplayable. Commander artillery was very obviously broken and way to strong because the devs copy and pasted Katyusha strikes

[cerulean iris]

plenty of ways to solve for this, the cope from the mods will never not be entertaining here

[covert elbow]

Your “can’t equate for millions of variables” arguement falls flat when players for the update and immediately noticed issues on a wide scale

[grizzled kiln]

Played yesterday in a Panther and had 0 issues.

[river rover]

I'm not coping. I don't crash.

[past vortex]

now there are issues with the satchel tho :D

[cerulean iris]

"i dont crash so not my problem" sick

[covert elbow]

And if the devs couldn’t see those issues then their either blind, lying, or don’t actually play the game

[river rover]

It isn't my problem. I'm not a developer.

[covert elbow]

Gamer they made the food. They chose it to be messy

Just stick to technical support clown. It’s better for all of us

[past veldt]

Don't listen to anything clown says.

He also claimed to not have performance issues but also had 30fps with a top tier PC

[past vortex]

i just hope the horse update will fix satchels too

[cerulean iris]

im aware, thanks

[worthy charm]

Thats awfully rude

[river rover]

I had 30fps on my 1080Ti by the way it was 30-55fps max and it ran smooth as it does now on my 3090 and 4090. 😉

[blazing nacelle]

tell that to the people who played beyond the wire

[covert elbow]

Oh I should have changed it to “was”. I haven’t had a chance to play the new hotfix as I was working all day yesterday

[river rover]

To my understanding it will.

[past vortex]

dont listen to willes, his cpu is on fire

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-blank-stare-the-office-michael-scott-stare-gif-9263668

I still dont crash tho

[meager timber]

Amazing how this update turned every 12-year-old with a keyboard into a senior game designer

[jolly flame]

hi guys im new player on hell let loose. Im comin bf i want to play like operation mode

[river rover]

Mine are getting old still on a 3950x and 5950x.

[past vortex]

i also didnt crash for 2 days now

[jolly flame]

whats name on hell let loose

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-liar-you-sit-on-a-throne-of-lies-gif-17734593

[worthy charm]

I would never lie!

-# if I dont get anything for it

[grizzled kiln]

It works fine now, drove it around in a match on Carentan and had no issues at all.

[river rover]

That was all that work I did on correcting your system. 😛

[worthy charm]

Damn... its true sadly

I had to reinstall discord because it just wouldnt update...

[river rover]

I only use browser version.

[broken shoal]

A telegram to say "we are not there yet" is CRAZY

[river rover]

You have to move some bits\bytes around. It's not an overnight thing.

[jolly flame]

hi im new player on hell let loose. Im comin bf i want to play like operation mode on hll

whats name in thegame

[blazing nacelle]

...uh.... what?

[jolly flame]

like

attack and defence

mode

[blazing nacelle]

that'd be offensive gamemode

[jolly flame]

like attack and defence man

[blazing nacelle]

yeah, it's called offensive

[past veldt]

Sure?

He wants attack and defence mode

[jolly flame]

Isnt there such a game mode in the game?

[grizzled kiln]

Appreciate that they are giving us feedback instead. Tough crowd.

[past veldt]

Not offensive and defensive

[jolly flame]

whats in game this mode naame

[grizzled kiln]

Warfare ?

But both modes involve attacking and defending 😄

[jolly flame]

its not i try warfare

[blazing nacelle]

I did my best.

[grizzled kiln]

Well, there's warfare and offensive.

[jolly flame]

bro 1 team pushin 1 team defending

[grizzled kiln]

That's offensive mode

[blazing nacelle]

he's trolling at this point.

[jolly flame]

name is offensive?

[past veldt]

Are you sure?

[grizzled kiln]

yeah

[jolly flame]

in game

[grizzled kiln]

yes

[jolly flame]

ok thanks

[grizzled kiln]

maybe not 😄 dunno tbh

[jolly flame]

bro

[blazing nacelle]

it's not like theres an obscene amount of game modes

[jolly flame]

stop trollin its not funny

[nova pivot]

It's called skirmish

[blazing nacelle]

you have a 33% chance of landing on the game mode you want

[jolly flame]

ok thanks

[worthy charm]

LIES!!!

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-stfu-floppa-stfu-caracal-mad-floppa-gif-22265627

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-why-you-lying-justin-timberlake-sad-face-gif-15156852

[echo karma]

Like they cured cancer or some sht lmao major breakthrough

[covert elbow]

I’m happy with the updates. Gives us some transparency

Just wish they did this sooner

[past vortex]

it is, for hll
the bug was there for years and now they bothered to look into it for the 1st time
thats major indeed

[harsh heron]

@fluid pawn congrats on the statement, I hope you guys keep being transparent to us

[harsh heron]

Truth!

[fiery tinsel]

is anybody wana HVH on off server?

[empty steppe]

Floppa deez

[harsh heron]

I guess we got ourselves a bot from Epic

[crimson crown]

I'm a dev working with the team

We have found the exact issue

We will release the fix tomorrow

[covert elbow]

I can’t believe Light Yagami put Hell let Loose in the death note

[crimson crown]

The game had a heart attack

[covert elbow]

It will be remembered

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[covert elbow]

Your right

It won’t be

[worthy charm]

Either people forget or something even worse in the same niche comes along which is even worse and then people will remember.

Who knows tho.

[nova oracle]

“ dark Humour is like bread, not everyone gets it”

-Stalin

[nova oracle]

Recreating game crashes is like the people who willingly inject themselves with vaccines

Instead of stakes and burn pyres we just give the heretical their monthly “flu” jab

Back in the day when simping for a woman meant “aiding a witch”

[slate canopy]

😒 You must be fun at parties.

[nova oracle]

Parties? Eww

Where people take acid or whatever kids do these days

Browse Tik Tok

[slate canopy]

..... whooosh~

[meager timber]

New theory just dropped

[nova oracle]

Good lord if you say I’m “ALU”

[tame flower]

Hell Let loose team had better give the person that helped the most (user report) a shiny helmet with a bug on it. Nothing too flashy just a bug squasher skin. Splated bug side of helmet? Oooo :)

[nova oracle]

ALU is friends with Basilone is the SAS clan, don’t know why I have to keep repeating it

[tame flower]

Because you like it.

[past vortex]

good old infant deaths

[nova oracle]

People have been around for a very long time

Vaccines have been around since the 50s

[past vortex]

in my family there were 3 deaths because no vacs
greatganpa to tetanus
2 of his kids to the measles
so what are you talking about ?????????????

whata BS

[slate canopy]

This doesn't sound like Hell Let Loose talk 🤔

[past vortex]

it pertains to the horse update

[nova oracle]

Your great grandpa lived a long life

[past vortex]

how would yk :D

please take your death cult elsewhere

[nova oracle]

The rise of disease has always been historically linked to immigration

[past vortex]

lol

[nova oracle]

I’m not an Islamic caliphate

[past vortex]

ik

:D

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/spacepatroluluco-anime-unsure-worry-ok-gif-10200414

[slate canopy]

Let's just stop now. It's gonna get into politics and blah blah blah, don't need it here.

[covert elbow]

What

[covert elbow]

WHAT????

Man polar bear your right, this is getting weird

Came in here to talk about HLL and some guys spitting weird conspiracys lmao

Anyways, when are we getting horses

I want to have a Uma Musume cross over

[past vortex]

apropos hll, do you think the horses in the horse update will be dewormed

[nova oracle]

We need Berlin

The last stand of Germany

[past vortex]

we all do

[cyan saddle]

Berlin would be cool too

[covert elbow]

No, the devs have to keep them for the cross over

[cyan saddle]

But not as cool as horses

[covert elbow]

Or the Aleutians

[cyan saddle]

The Aleuwhats?

[nova oracle]

If Hitler had invaded the Aleutian’s, would have changed the war

Forget airforce, they almost had armour superiority

They should have surrendered to the west and Continued the war in the east

American made panzers, crushed the Soviets

Crushed communism in its infancy

[nova oracle]

Do you have a Favourite war time general?

[covert elbow]

General Gerhardt of the 29th infantry

[nova oracle]

He actually had sense

[past vortex]

omfg he sounds like the worst commander

[covert elbow]

He made one of the finest Divisions on the western front though

[past vortex]

look at freshs latest vid

[covert elbow]

What about it

[past vortex]

tank showcase, very interesting

i think all the tank changes accomplished is that the good tankers are even more op

[wind shore]

So anyways, horses?

[nova oracle]

The worst commander was De Gaulle

Bradley in a very close second

[obtuse dragon]

Insanely hard to code, balance and implement

[nova oracle]

Battlefield 1 did it

[obtuse dragon]

If the devs struggle with coding some stuff that already exists, imagine adding something completely new

[obtuse dragon]

this isn't Battlefield.

[nova oracle]

Pretty sure enlisted has WWII horses

[obtuse dragon]

Just because Battlefield did it doesn't mean everyone can do it

[obtuse dragon]

Nope

[nova oracle]

If you were really German you would be saying Nēin!

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[nova oracle]

Not no, not nope, not nay, not nerry, nein

Nuh uh? Where are we flint Michigan?

It’s in your blood to say Nein!

[covert elbow]

Where did you hear that? Bradley was a good core commander

[worthy charm]

What are you doing to my beloved language?

[nova oracle]

He raced ahead to Rome instead of cutting off the German retreat

Gave the Germans more time to regroup army group north

Which then slammed into the flank of the soviet advance

He wanted the glory instead of the bigger picture

With Generals like Montgomery and Patton and Rommel, Mainstein etc it was always the bigger picture

[feral vine]

Yeah, battlefield 1 works

[obtuse dragon]

Lets not forget the flying boat of doom and despair

[feral vine]

Hey at least you could play the game

[fluid rivet]

Loving the multiple DCs. Good times.

[azure ether]

Horse

I hope so

[azure ether]

:(

[tropic oar]

what? If you adevertise a product that its cleary disfunctional or nonfunction at all even after numerous reports you are clearly a scammer

Do they advertise and sell the game which is not working? They do. Did they offered a refund for ppl who cant play the game? No. Can I play the game without crash or DC for more than 3 minutes? No. Do they still sell disfunction game on steam without saying on the store page that the game is currently in unplayable state? No.

I dont know why are you defending this scummy sell practice and I dont care.

[cyan saddle]

It says at the top of the community news section + Steam allows you refund, no questions asked

[tropic oar]

nmo it does not

i tried multiple times, refund is not an option ddue to steam rules

and its not in the news section, you have to click several times to get the needed info

[terse fern]

yesterday i was playing when all the server crashed

thank you T17

[tropic oar]

oih you mean the few hours old post? lol

are you kidding me? Company did sell the game when the game was not function since atleast 10.10.2025

and you post some 8 hours old post? Really?

[terse fern]

you have big on the potatoe

[tropic oar]

the first date company started to talk about games issues is at tuesday - 3 days ago

[tropic oar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-tony-soprano-nothing-chin-flick-gif-22794125

scamers gonna scam

and you know whats most hilarious on this? That they refuse to refund stupid 20e and rather take al lthe flak. 20e. This is how greedy they are (or helpless).

[nova oracle]

Developing a game isn’t as clear cut or as straight as you think it is

When you lay new code over old code, that then results in breaks which leads to bugs

[dense kraken]

Hello I need some help. Is tgere any middle eastern server for Hell let loose? I have to play in Eu from Asia and its constant DCs

[nova oracle]

Yeah UAE servers

[dense kraken]

I donot see any UAE servers tho

Its either Chinese or European

[gray garden]

All I'm hearing is gamers stay losing.. and frankly, I'm glad. Let them be the most oppressed minority! I've had enough of this idle chit-chatting..

[gray garden]

Yez bro, sorry bro, probably not enough people in the middle east like this game for a community to run a server for it. Maybe there is an official server?

[real parrot]

Steam rules: You can refund a game if you have less than 2 hours of play and 1 week of having it. There also could be refunds on excepcional cases, like The day before.

[dense kraken]

None I believe

So sad that this is such a cool game but these issues exist

[tropic oar]

I literally wrote that. What's your point?

Or did you just felt the need to add more details to my comment?

[azure ether]

Horse

[gray garden]

https://tenor.com/view/tomascore-horse-horsey-sad-horse-rain-horse-gif-7368479090221509185

[gray garden]

Go do something else for a week and come back. It will be fixed, probably.

i dunno. i dont play this game anymore. i just like my fix of gamer tears..

[azure ether]

Horse

[gray garden]

horsee!

[night lark]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-agree-agreement-affirmative-yes-gif-2872428400733497437

[tropic oar]

It's been more than 2 weeks already and I would really love my cash back.

[gray garden]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[tropic oar]

Surprisingly I don't play the game either, as its not working 😛

[gray garden]

Well.. I'm not sure what you expect here. Your problem is with Steam's return policy.

[tropic oar]

It's indeed a classic scam

[timid laurel]

I want more armee gruppe Nörd maps like Narva , Leningrad or courland pocket! That would be nice

[tropic oar]

No it's not, as a company offering a product on Steam you are able to offer refunds on top of steam ones

Read the rules bro

[gray garden]

😏

Did you reach out to Team 17 support then?

They don't read this chat, anyone could tell you that.

[tropic oar]

Yes, multiple times, no answer except copy paste "we are sorry, but no"

[gray garden]

https://tenor.com/view/the-ten-commandments-moses-point-gif-15930265

Clearly, God wills that your cash be in the hands of the worms developers

[tropic oar]

They even changed TOS a week ago adding "company does not guarantee a repair of broken game" article 7.2. go read it Mr. Smrtypants

[gray garden]

I mean fundamentally I agree with you. It's a shame. I just don't think throwing a fit about it in this forum is going to achieve anything but express what everyone already knows.. Consumer rights are dead, have been for a while.

[worldly mountain]

I have a suggestion for a battlefield.

It was about 10 km away from me. There was a small place that was quite open all around, and about 10 German soldiers were stationed there. Their task was to protect wagons with anti-aircraft guns. The Americans were not far away, and the Germans saw a tank battalion and then opened fire.

The battle was between these 10 soldiers and about 50 tanks, which I think sounds like a fair match.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

[tropic oar]

Is there a CM? Yes it is. So I dont see it as pointless as you. If I deter atleast 1 person from buying this so called "game" then I will be happy

[gray garden]

but its on sale bruv, 25 bucks off, sick deal!

[tropic oar]

Yeah, I've felt for that trick too

Come play Arma Reforger, the graphics are actually nice and the gameplay is actually fun!

[gray garden]

https://tenor.com/view/snooze-sleepy-doge-meme-shiba-gif-4889600768892145915

im not really playing shooters rn anyway. maybe some rs2, some insurgency. tact shooter slop.

[tropic oar]

And as a bonus you can get inside the buildings and open and close doors. Not like on this prehistoric game 😄

Understandable 🙂

[azure ether]

Horse

[nova oracle]

It wouldn’t be worth having every building enterable

[tropic oar]

Ofc, the maps are made as one big chokepoint with unscalabe walls plus this game promotes camping. There would be a camper in every single window. But why can't you open/close doors? F2P titles like Enlisted can do it, even for windows. But mighty unreal engine is just old and long dead. So they can't do it in HLL

And let me remind you that Enlisted engine is much more older than UE4.

Same goes for textures and polygons, you just get stucked in them like in old Arma engine from 2008.

[azure ether]

Horse

Sorry

[real parrot]

heh

[pine ember]

Delay Smolensk until the game is fixed.

And for the future, rather lay priority on fixing issues rather than new content that only causes two weeks of hype.

No. The game needs to be fixed rather than release a new update that will bring many more issues and will only cause two weeks of hype.

[tropic oar]

Big difference as the game is not working for 2 weeks.

At this point I think most of the HLL advocates have IQ of room temperature

[pine ember]

Lets be real: No one right minded would prefer a new map right now rather than fixes.

[haughty geode]

True

Game needs to be fixed, a new update will just bring more issues in and a new map clearly is the wrong priority

[pine ember]

No one would play the new map right now. No one cares about it. Fix the game first.

[haughty geode]

Not enough

[tropic oar]

So the article was published at 19.20 CET, my comment was at 10.00 CET so yeah, it's not 8 hours but 14.5 hours. My bad 🤡

[pine ember]

It is. Its just the false priority.

[dim snow]

I swear you whole life revolves around this smolensk map

Your*

[haughty geode]

It is. With that they would show that they dont care enough about current issues

[haughty geode]

Yea

[dim snow]

I’ll laugh my head off if this new map stutters 😂

Probably will

[pine ember]

The new map will stutter and will just bring more issues. First fix the current ones. Even if that means Smolensk will arrive in early 2026.

[dim snow]

Tbf we need tons of maps, it’s not good enough that we only get 2 maps a year

Yh definitely

[haughty geode]

What? Then you should also prefer fixes???

[dim snow]

There’s a handful of maps they just seem to ignore

[pine ember]

They dont have the capacity most likely.

[pine ember]

Cherkassy, Arnheim,...

[dim snow]

Been asking for 2-3 years to fix the stuttering on Stalingrad, El Alamein, Tobruk, remagen and hurtgen

[haughty geode]

That makes no sense. You cant play the game because of the issues (as do most people), yet you still prefer some screenshots and a map rather than those fixes???

[dim snow]

El Alamein, Stalingrad, torbruk, remagen, hurtgen

They all run like utter shite

[haughty geode]

And they will only arrive if the devs lay their priorities right, and the priority isnt Slolmensk

[dim snow]

It’ll never happen unfortunately

All the ones there run terribly

[pine ember]

The whole game needs to be fixed.

[dim snow]

Now also get slight micro stutters on carentan and Kharkov that weren’t there before

The games an utter mess

They need to start thinking about giving this game to another developer who can really sort these issues out.

[haughty geode]

We can demand fixes. Just waiting wont help

[pine ember]

When U-Boats Type VII in HLL?

[haughty geode]

I dont think thats possible

[finite berry]

Delay Smolensk until Kedo shuts up

[pine ember]

That indeed would be something XDDD

So Smolensk will never come

[haughty geode]

It wont happen

No

[pine ember]

Why even Smolensk?

[haughty geode]

Difference is, the hotfix is crucial for the game

Slomensk is just another map

So what? It probably will played for two weeks and after that pop up in rotations then and now

Its nothing significant and wont beat the evergreens

Thats the most important

Not a map or something like that... FIX THE GAME!!!

Yea, but a new map in this situation is just so not fitting

[fluid pawn]

As I've said before, the priority at the moment is the fix to U18

Whether this means a delay to U19 is something that I'm sure is being discussed, however U18 is priority at this moment

[haughty geode]

No

[dim snow]

Just No.

Could do with more Wehrmacht helmets and uniforms

[vale garnet]

You don’t need any more cosmetics and stop asking for “oh add in the 184772628th Pakistani SS division uniform they’re my favourite war criminals I want to roleplay as them uWu” honestly so cringe

[haughty geode]

Yes, indeed. People are way too obsessed with some German units that had absolutely no impact and were just small

[covert elbow]

I just want an HBT uniform for the US already and the M43 uniform for the Soviets

[haughty geode]

They would still be there if we got Pakistani skins for Germany, right?

[vale garnet]

Yeah clans definitely leave because they can’t play as their favourite minor axis faction

[haughty geode]

Wut

[vale garnet]

If you want skins let us have weapon skins I’ll carry with a gungnir m1 garand

[oak current]

you mean a gundam M1 Garand

tiny scifi bits on it

[vale garnet]

The best thing the devs can do is just ignore anyone the moment they mention the terms “realism” or “historical accuracy”

And just make the game work

[oak current]

i mean they can ignore anyone atm except "make the game work" 😄

[vale garnet]

Seeing patch notes where they’re changing the colours of ribbons because they aren’t accurate is honestly insane

[covert elbow]

Genuinely suprised to see that changed that detail of the uniform but not the many other uniform issues

[harsh heron]

I want a Brazilian uniform and a monte castelo map! LMAO

[covert elbow]

I think that’s the first time I’ve seen an incorrect uniform detail

[vale garnet]

Brazilian uniform is a bikini

[harsh heron]

I'm not wearing a bikini now LoL

[haughty geode]

Yea its because we dont have enough skins

[harsh heron]

It amazes me how people love micro transactions but complain about them all the time

[finite berry]

Pic or it did happen

[vale garnet]

Guys let’s add a fallschirmpanzer division hermann goring skin because I want an accurate uniform to wear when my game crashes

[finite berry]

based, at least gotta crash with style and drip

[covert elbow]

I just want free skins again and more unlockables

[vale garnet]

Adding more maps is also not the solution because the maps are bad

Making more awful maps that nobody wants to play doesn’t do anything

They need to make maps that are balanced and entertaining to play on

[covert elbow]

Paid cosmetics used to be sprinkled in tastefully but ever since the T17 takeover it’s been nonstop. And you can tell by the more obscure uniforms they shove in the game like the recent Cossacks

[harsh heron]

Maybe it's because I'm old, but I just think games should be as clean as possible it terms of problems

[covert elbow]

That’s always the priority. Sucks the games in such a state there’s litteraly no room for anything else except bug fixes and balance patches

[harsh heron]

I guess it should be, but I feel this is less and less the case as time passes. video games are not a make or break business anymore

[vale garnet]

What should’ve happened years ago is BM giving us the SDK

so we could make our own mods

[covert elbow]

Oh as a general statement in gaming yes, micro transactions are way to abundant. It’s especially insulting when I pay full price for a game and they have the gall to shove their own currency in my face

[covert elbow]

That was never happening bruh. The devs can’t handle the code, much less modders

[harsh heron]

considering we are a niche, and a small one... you're totally right

[vale garnet]

Modding was the only way this would ever have worked, T17 as a company have no idea what they’re doing

[harsh heron]

I kind of just quit them nowadays

[vale garnet]

Frankly it’s one of the worst development jobs I’ve ever seen on a game

To the level of them looking like they are breaking the game on purpose

[harsh heron]

Play Atari's E.T. ,LMAO

[dim snow]

Stalingrad still runs like utter shite

[haughty geode]

Yea, but skins are so irrelevant and shouldnt be a high priority

[dim snow]

Bet they won’t fix the stuttering though will they

Absolute jokers

[vale garnet]

I get 150-160 on Stalingrad

FPS

[dim snow]

It doesn’t stutter for you on PC?

[solemn junco]

High FPS doesn't mean there's no stutter.. Look at your framegraphs

[covert elbow]

You were chosen by the gods it seems

It still stutters and has inconsistent FPS on console

[vale garnet]

I don’t have stuttering either

[harsh heron]

Yep, but I guess this last screw up made them think.

Tone on briefing has changed, level of transparency seems higher

[solemn junco]

I call BS

[vale garnet]

That’s with filters on too

[fluid pawn]

I'm no dev, so don't quote me on this, however I believe the stuttering is due to an issue in the baseline spaghetti code making it impossible to truly get rid of. Kieran talked in the HLLV livestream how they've been able to remove that due to building the new game from the ground up

[vale garnet]

I literally have never felt any of this mythical stuttering

People talk about freezing for a second mid game, never had it

[solemn junco]

They even acknowledged it's a problem and WHY happens, you can stick you head in the sand all you want but there's definitely a stutter problem with this game

[fluid pawn]

It's not something everyone gets either. Think it's probably based on PC specs, etc.

[harsh heron]

It would be nice if they explained why they hadn't reorganize the code in the past

[vale garnet]

There we go thank you Ben 😂

[fluid pawn]

Again, I'm no dev on this so just quoting what I think I know ahah

[dim snow]

What did black matter do with this code 😂

[vale garnet]

I direct you to bens statement

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-gif-24457079

[covert elbow]

At this point Ben I have to ask, what’s the chances of the dev team just pulling the plug on the current game and either cancel development or rerelease the game at a later time with the newly built code base that has been achieved with V? Cause at this point this game seems way to cursed and unusable that it can’t evolve and grow normally due to BM’s mess

[vale garnet]

BM didn’t know what they were doing people forget this was a crowd funded indie game

[dim snow]

Will you consider making the HLL WW2 again with your new code ?

[harsh heron]

Yep, watched a Band of Brothers episode and started typing

[fluid pawn]

Very unlikely. We still love this game and will continue to develop it as long as we can, hence why we have two teams for HLL and HLLV

[harsh heron]

I would give it a shot

[solemn junco]

Why would I care what Ben says? Show us a video with frametime graph included, then I'll believe you, untill then I'll call BS. Friend is playing on SSD, 5090 and 5950X3D and still experiences stutters, I guess he should build a better PC/

[dim snow]

Think you guys need to remake it with a new code.

[vale garnet]

Well considering all the issues with 50 series cards…

[covert elbow]

Well that’s unfortunate cause I feel it’d be much better in the long run for a rerelease so this games code can be fixed and ironed out so we can get new features and updates that actually work

[fluid pawn]

With it being a live-service game, in order to "reorganise" the code, you'd have to take it down entirely to rip it apart. This is why we've been able to do it with HLLV however not possible iwth HLL

[finite berry]

But it feels like all the good devs work on HLLV while T17 scraped the barrel for the HLL WW2 dev team. Like, it's clear where the priorities are.

[harsh heron]

@fluid pawn I really appreciate the change of tone in the briefing

[vale garnet]

What was the update before they changed the garand reload animation, go back to that one

[fluid pawn]

I can find this out (if it's something we are able to share) however on the HLL franchise we have no more than 100 devs across both games. We don't have a massive team unlike other games out there

[vale garnet]

That was peak HLL

[solemn junco]

I don't have time for this, if it's not stuttering for you good on you. Most likely you just have low standards. Show me a gameplay video with frametimes and then we can talk, I don't have time for this.

[fluid pawn]

I can reassure you that not the case. We've got incredible people on both titles, with so (e.g: Kieran) going across both games to ensure that quality stays high on both

[vale garnet]

You’re the one who seems angry about it 😂 I never came after you

[covert elbow]

Okay but like…

[harsh heron]

I see! Couldn't it be done in the backburner and them having a single release?

I understand that it'd be costly, but it'd be a long term gain for the game

[fluid pawn]

Thank you! Can I ask what's the specific change you like? 🙂

[solemn junco]

I don't worry, not angry, just don't want to do this stupid he said she said dance with you

[vale garnet]

You’re still replying though

[eager orbit]

Wouldn’t it be better to make HLL2 with a super juicy Pacific DLC instead of Vietnam? The core concept of HLL is great, but it seems like there are a ton of code-related issues that really tie the developers’ hands when it comes to adding improvements or making changes.

[solemn junco]

But post your footage, would be great if you are right and it's down to hardware, we might actually figure something out that the devs can't sem to

[finite berry]

With all due respect, but even me as a non-player who doesn't have full "insight" into the goods and bads of HLL WW2 have a hard time believing that. If that was the case, then how was such a massive disaster like U18 even possible where testing apparently was extremely limited at best?

[vale garnet]

Never forget the Carentan bridge incident

[finite berry]

Sorry, but that simply doesn't add up

[harsh heron]

Looking at other smaller development projects, you would benefit a lot improving transparency to the community. When you guys don't talk, the word flies anyway

[covert elbow]

I’m still shocked that we had a PTE for U18 but then y’all decided to add/ change a ton of stuff that wasn’t tested and y’all put that to live. That was genuinely disgraceful

[dim snow]

So is a HLL ww2 remake with your new code very unlikely ?

[harsh heron]

nonono

[fluid pawn]

In order to do that, a whole new team would realistically have to come in and do that, or we'd have to just stop development on HLL entirely which woudl be a massive undertaking. There may be discussions in the future about something like this, however at this stage the focus is on the current HLL version and HLLV.

[harsh heron]

It would be a massive undertaking indeed

[finite berry]

Personally, I think it's already doubtful that HLL WW2 will get supported many years from now on, and saying that it is receivING the same amount of support like HLLV is... yeah sorry, no. No offence to you, Ben, but I'm calling corporate lies.

[solemn junco]

I'd wish they would stop development on HLL and go back to the last patch that BM did, they are only making things worse in my opinion, barely anything is objectively better and they keep adding stupid things noone asked for breaking things in the process.

[vale garnet]

I think the answer is to increase sprint speed again

[harsh heron]

Yep, he said so. Almost impossible to make at this point.

[covert elbow]

Please keep a halt of development and restructuring of the code to match V’s standards on the board. I’d love to see the day where the devs aren’t fighting with each line of code and can freely develop the game without restriction

[solemn junco]

Ok now I know you are just trolling 😂

[harsh heron]

Oh, and BM's HLL was speckless

[vale garnet]

And bring back jump prone my god it was so much better

[dim snow]

So it’s safe to say the upcoming HLL Vietnam on consoles will have zero stuttering problems as it’s getting a new code and unreal engine 5

[solemn junco]

Definitely not, game still had major issues. But did it get fixed?

[worthy charm]

BM mentioned, whole chat ruined

[fluid pawn]

Once we have a fix (which is hopefully coming very soon) we'll give a breakdown on how this happened (what caused it) and what's been done to fix it. I can tell you though, that this is something that was a stupidly specific thing that in a QA testing environment would have been chance that it was come across. Once live however you have so many more chances for things to occur, with tonnes more variables

[vale garnet]

It shouldn’t even be released to console, having to develop things for console players is one of the most stupid parts of HLL now

[solemn junco]

The arty just made it in by accident? Multiple people must've signed that off, and if so, they must have never played their own game.

[finite berry]

Okay, thank you. Hoping that announcement will make things clear, then. But, in case I got that right, why was there no QA testing, then?

[vale garnet]

Some dev is sitting there trying to get an extra 5 FPS for Greg on his Xbox instead of actually doing anything useful

[worthy charm]

Kinda yes, I dont believe it even can be optimised for consoles. I mean it wasnt meant as a console game to begin with wasnt it?

[fluid pawn]

Definetley disagree with this. Getting more players to enjoy a game is always a win.

That being said, opening new platforms up does slow the dev process a touch, however it's worth it to allow more players to enjoy the game

[worthy charm]

Please refrain from spaming horse in chat.

[covert elbow]

Yea it’s not just the crashing that’s the issue here. The fact arty and tanking both went to live was an obvious issue that needed a lot of balancing and fixing

[harsh heron]

I'm no one in the community, but I undesrtand that fixing HLL is like changing a tire with the car running

[fluid pawn]

As we said in the statement (and I said last night) there was QA testing. We have a great team, however this specific thing would have been needle in a haystack stuff for a QA team to find

[finite berry]

Okay, then I misunderstood that, thanks for clarifying.

[solemn junco]

No it's not, you will always cater to the lowest common denominator. For your bottom line, sure. And since you are a business that wants to make money, I get that.
Luckily this game was already out before they started on the console version. If it's designed that way from the ground up I think we know what will happen.

[fluid pawn]

^info on the QA team I mentioned last night

[vale garnet]

The death screen is not game breaking why bother

Oh I found out I suck and died to the same person 5 times game ruined

[worthy charm]

most people?

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[covert elbow]

Ngl it’s made sniping pretty bad. People seeing who killed you over and over lets people triangulate and find snipers a lot easier now

[worthy charm]

again

[vale garnet]

All it did was increase the number of cheating reports on good players because people can’t cope with sucking

[fluid pawn]

Since the hotfix we've had some great response to people enjoying the armor changes (when they've actually been able to play it due to crashing ). the main issue with the U18 armor changes were the driving issues, and this is due to some physics issues that we fixed in the hotfix 1. There's still work to be done of course however we've seen a lot of players loving armor again since hotfix

[covert elbow]

The “killed by X” person is not a good addition, nor was it nessecary

It should have just been “killed by X weapon” and “you survived X minutes”

[worthy charm]

80 out of 4k average daily players

[harsh heron]

It's an assault on regular HLL player's ego

[azure ether]

Horses

[vale garnet]

Except everyone types !wkm when they die to find out who killed them so clearly it was wanted

[covert elbow]

Idk what that is

[worthy charm]

1:50 is one kind of a ratio

[fluid pawn]

As we've said before, fixing the crashing in U18 is priority.

I can also assure you that the KIA screen is the not the reason for crashing 😅

[vale garnet]

I was enjoying the game being totally unplayable because I didn’t have to touch it for 2 weeks

[harsh heron]

And not getting stucked. I enjoyed it, made it more interesting. I would still love to have War Thunder Simulator difficulty tho

[vale garnet]

Now I have a game on Sunday and I should actually play 30 mins before then

[fluid pawn]

That being said, I have a list of feedback from the community that will be addressed in the future, including the KIA screen, however those are not as important as getting the crashing fixed as I'm sure you agree

[worthy charm]

Thats an argument againt you...

[vale garnet]

The death screen is fine people just have fragile egos

[worthy charm]

Like we dont even have to talk about this kedo, You dont make any sense

[terse fern]

i agree

[covert elbow]

That’s what I was hoping for with the update. I swear the devs even said they planned to make the tanks for realistic so when I saw they were going in a more arcadey direction with just unique tank statistics for purely gameplay balancing it made me a bit sad

[vale garnet]

They don’t want to admit they hate knowing who killed them

More game breaking to me are the FOV slider and the crashing

[meager timber]

The best part about the update for me was the ADS FOV slider. It's really a step in the right direction

[vale garnet]

I’m actually in favour of going back to 90-120 FOV as options

[covert elbow]

Idk who thought that was a good idea

[worthy charm]

Kedo stop pinging me im not talking to you rn

[fluid pawn]

Crashing is actually game breaking. The FOV slider however we have heard this too dw

[worthy charm]

When I say I wont have a discussion with you I mean it.

[covert elbow]

Springfield scope is actually a nerf since you can get the same zoom with the Garand

[vale garnet]

I can show you some screenshots if you like, but filters plus 60 ADS literally makes snipers irrelevant

[worthy charm]

I wouldnt have to correct you wouldnt you be wrong..

Not like thats on me

[meager timber]

That's because the slider doesn't work as intended. The game still has fixed FOV for different guns and for Garand it is 60. The FOV slider just uses a multiplier on top of the base value. If they fix this mechanic then there is no advantage and it's a great QoL imo

[gaunt cedar]

Hey @fluid pawn can you clarify if the identified crashing issue is related to the ‘Fatal Error’ crashes, or the server side “Lost Connection to Host” crashes? We have two distinct issues right now, does the identified issue cover both scenarios?

[vale garnet]

90-120 like the good old days

[solemn junco]

They will just keep ignoring it alienate their playerbase, watch player numbers go down even though they've been giving the game away for free. I don't care much about the new kill screen (i don't think it's an improvement, and a crappy implementation), but it's a recurring theme of derpifying that they are on.

[fluid pawn]

I'm getting confirmation on this now for you from the team, however I think it's related to the same issue. Wait for official confirmation on this though

I've already said this has been noted by us. Please can we stop arguing about it now thanks 🫡

some love it, some hate it, some are indifferent. we can all agree on that

[covert elbow]

Maybe, but we all know my opinions are objectively correct

[fluid pawn]

your opinion is play s44 though? 😂

[vale garnet]

I think there are a few things that have been done over time which actually changed the feel of the game from what we all want to play honestly

This update is just the end product of all that frustration

[covert elbow]

Until HLL is completely redone in my vision I say we all play war games at the local library

[fluid pawn]

Keeeeeeen. let's do it

[lime tundra]

They should remove the mg42 it's too op

[covert elbow]

Baller. I’ll ask my mom to make some pot roast

[lime tundra]

And remove the mg34

[vale garnet]

MGs still need fixing that’s true

[covert elbow]

I mean they do need to nerf its ammo and add barrel overheating

[vale garnet]

Head glitching still too strong

[covert elbow]

Weapon overheating and ammo fixes have been needed additions for years

That and HMG’s would be amazing

[lime tundra]

They should add a BAR tripod

[covert elbow]

Altough at this point in the games stage and development I really don’t think we’ll ever see new infantry weapons

[lime tundra]

So you can stand and shoot like a bipod

[covert elbow]

You mean bipod?

[worthy charm]

The bar never had a tripod?

[harsh heron]

Yep, felt the same

[lime tundra]

No

Tripod like a camera

[covert elbow]

What

[eager orbit]

lets make it fourpod

[worthy charm]

The Bar never had a tripod....

[lime tundra]

This guy has ideas

[worthy charm]

Like its not even a thing

[lime tundra]

So

[worthy charm]

so?

[meager timber]

give the bar a gyro stabilizer and call it done

[worthy charm]

It like adding a E100 for the sake of it being cool

[vale garnet]

I think STGs for everyone

And red dots

[lime tundra]

This guy is lame 😔

[finite berry]

I mean, he is right >:)

[vale garnet]

Give me a red dot for the rifles and I’ll play again

[worthy charm]

Lasers as well please

[lime tundra]

When obrez mosin

[lime cypress]

you can do that already

[covert elbow]

True

[lime tundra]

Yes but accurately

[vale garnet]

I have a button on my monitor to do it anyway but shhhh

[meager timber]

optional crosshair please

[lime tundra]

With a tripod

[covert elbow]

S44 has pacific after all

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[lime cypress]

you cant ads when doing that? damn

[harsh heron]

it's just players doing what they do best in my opinion, just set it as it was before... so difficult to do...

[lime cypress]

sadge

[covert elbow]

Y’know I do wonder what the list of “things to add” includes for the devs

[worthy charm]

Ratte hopefully its long overdue

[covert elbow]

Cause instead of new tanks, maps, DLC, and reworks I’d love just a slew of QOL items we’ve asked for a long time

[meager timber]

since everyone likes the garand for some reason at least with the fov slider you can match g43 (77.8 something ADS FOV) and svt (82) to it

[covert elbow]

Actually I recind the “rework” statement as we haven’t gotten a single one in years

Ben, you need to tell the devs to learn the definition of “reworks”

[worthy charm]

I would count the tank rework as one.

[covert elbow]

Cause these aren’t reworks

[covert elbow]

Its more in line with an overhaul than a rework

[harsh heron]

I just wanted more specific info we're given now, I mean... I already know I got killed by small arms fire LOL

[vale garnet]

People who change their FOV depending on gun should be banned

[meager timber]

if you use that setting then you get the same fov for all the rifles. that's the opposite

[worthy charm]

They added cannon recoil, different ground types (which mostly dont make a difference sadly) and after the hotfix improved driving.

I would count it even tho its a small rework

unlike the medic rework 👀

[covert elbow]

Oh aren’t they still doing an arty “rework”?

Wonder what that’s going to be

Hopefully it’s them removing the guns and replacing them with mortars

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-highfive-are-you-serious-gif-5916191

[covert elbow]

We’ve discussed this Willy

[worthy charm]

I know

[vale garnet]

No you don’t, each rifle has a set ADS modifier on top of FOV settings

[past veldt]

T17 Devs must be buzzing about the release of FM26

SI making T17 look good

[harsh heron]

The devs from obsidian do a good job on that, providing lists and different status, showing what they're scratching as well

[meager timber]

Exactly. Garand ADS slider @ 90 = 60 real.
G43 ADS Slider @ 77.8 = 60 real.

and so on.

[vale garnet]

Yes, but people who care about the individual FOV of each gun and change their sens and ADS setting depending on the gun they’re using are just coping

[meager timber]

Nice bait but yeah sure by default the game changes your sensitivity for you if you don't touch the ads slider

[vale garnet]

I know people who do it so not bait

[meager timber]

Ok if not bait then I use the ADS slider because I don't want to change my sensitivity by gun. I want it to be the same regardless which gun i use

[vale garnet]

Skill issue

[meager timber]

yes

i'm not learning all the guns separately if i can choose tbh. i use 9 different guns in arena fps games and they all have the same sens

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-air-quotes-gif-18226933

[past veldt]

You can't for console

This is good for PC. Scroll all the way to the bottom https://mattw.io/hll-server-browser/

And this for historical PC data

https://steamcharts.com/app/686810

[eager orbit]

New content such as tanks, weapons, factions, and maps always draws players in, but things like poor optimization, bugs, and crashes tend to push them away

yea, I dont need that. I want stable game, with proper rendering, without glitches, bugs and crashes

[echo karma]

@fluid pawn https://www.pathofexile.com/forum

These are the new ones. Holy sht

Gm btw

[grizzled kiln]

Stable game..We see what you did there 🐎

[sturdy quarry]

crash bug hard to pick up during QA due to many variables yadder yadder

patch was about tank rework, where apparently the panther was not test driven once

and rework stalingrad to make it perform better, where it wasnt tested once cos it is still stuttergrad

the crash notes etc are making out as though this was impossible to test but they didnt test the main changes of the patch...

[dim snow]

Basically they came out and said the game will never be fully optimised for console

So these stuttering maps will stay the same

Vietnam can’t come soon enough

[tropic oar]

lol, dont be ridicilous. It took them over a week to even aknowledge the problem as thez though that everyone is making that stuff up

[grizzled kiln]

I guess you missed the joke 🙁 RIP

[grizzled kiln]

HLL would still be the only viable WW2 shooter tho

[tropic oar]

lol no

you got Enlisted which got much better engine

[grizzled kiln]

How many players on that one again ??

[tropic oar]

along with destroyable buildings, stuff, terrain, more detailed maps,better effect and more fun

[grizzled kiln]

Enlisted is not even the same..LOL..You commandeer a squad

[tropic oar]

3x times of HLL steam numbers just on steam but most ppl use their launcher. Last info was about 250k ppl playing weekly

[grizzled kiln]

More like an MMO not a shooter. However realistic or not you think HLL is ,they aren't comparable

[tropic oar]

lol did you ever played it? xD

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah, so not comparable to HLL. OK, so what other options ?? S44 with 250 players ?

[dim snow]

Well, unless they remake this game with their new code their using for Vietnam, we’ll be stuck with this buggy galore game

[grizzled kiln]

Indeed

[dim snow]

It’s a shame really

[tropic oar]

"Enlisted is MMO" im going to screenshot this :))

[grizzled kiln]

No, why would I ? Not looking to be commanding a squad.

[dim snow]

If this game was fully optimised, it would be sensational

[grizzled kiln]

Literally says MMO https://steamdb.info/app/2051620/

[tropic oar]

you never played it but you got lots of opinions on it

[grizzled kiln]

Buy you do you..Clown

[tropic oar]

you know what is mmo? massive multiplayer online

[grizzled kiln]

I have the opinion it has nothing to do with a 50v50 ww2 shooter like HLL when you command whole squads

[tropic oar]

you get 20 players per match so its not massive

clown

[grizzled kiln]

Look at tha page.

[tropic oar]

and what should i see there?

[grizzled kiln]

In fact look here https://store.steampowered.com/app/2051620/Enlisted/

Steam

Enlisted

In Enlisted, you are not only commanding a single soldier, but an entire squad! This MMO squad based shooter recreates the key battles of the bloodiest war of the 20th century, with hundreds of soldiers, tanks and aircraft taking part in each battle.…

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[tropic oar]

that Enlisted is not FPS?

[grizzled kiln]

See what is says ?? ok, can we move on now..

[tropic oar]

like you claim?

have you read the 2 words behind the MMO

[grizzled kiln]

MMO squad based..Says right there man

[tropic oar]

obviously not

oh i forgot shooter isnt FPS

clown

[grizzled kiln]

ony that its ww2. thats about it

[tropic oar]

lol no

you never played it but you a full of crap

[dim snow]

Enlisted is terrible man 😂

[tropic oar]

keep your middle finger for your poor parents

[grizzled kiln]

Only thing that could compare is S44, but the player base is gone.

Thats the most direct comparison, but S44 is more hardcore for new players and not very accessible . And the GUI is horrible. Tank play is fun though and much better. Map quality is also hit and miss unfortunately.

[tropic oar]

yeah, it sux on xbox as any other FPS

maybe buy mouse and keyboard

also the aimassist on Enlisted is very gentle

[dim snow]

It’s just bot galore and very clanky

[tropic oar]

so i feel you

lol no, play it on pc

turn crossplay on

dont use aimassist

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-wrong-gif-10539613

[grizzled kiln]

I regularly play it..But 250 ppl max or so..

[tropic oar]

lest talk Arma Reforger!

[finite berry]

So it's not gone. :)

[tropic oar]

dude is like HLL but 1000000x better

[grizzled kiln]

As good as 😄 but it's possible to get a game. Still miss full servers in armored mode

That is a thing of the past with so few ppl playing 🙁

[tropic oar]

well you got solid ground, Arma 2 is very close to reforger

[dim snow]

Still can’t believe they haven’t remastered WaW yet

[tropic oar]

but reforger is polished, really smooth experience

they even got a reconnect function

something that average HLL fun is envious at

imagine the game where you get kicked from mp server for what ever reason

and then you autorecnnect within 10seconds to same char to same place

[river rover]

You called? 😛

[solemn junco]

I prefer this one: https://steamdb.info/app/686810/charts/#6y

[tropic oar]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

[river rover]

You called? 😛

[tropic oar]

yup, nice to see you man

[river rover]

Leave me out of this. 😉

[tropic oar]

lol avergage arma players are 35+ yrs old xD

im almost 42 xD

most of my squad is 30+

[river rover]

Are you 41 and 3/4?

[tropic oar]

nah 41 and 8/10

[river rover]

I'm an old man so just kidding. Get back to arguing.

[obtuse dragon]

Arma players when they have to use 8 babillion buttons to kill a single guy

[tropic oar]

heavnt you said that you dont even play HLL?

that you are here only for tears?

so you didnt played reforger and dont play HLL

very nice xD

[tropic oar]

? you need crouch button and fire button with aim button - so RMB,LMB and C

are you mistaking arma for tarkov?

tarkov have several differentt leans

[obtuse dragon]

Point Stands

[tropic oar]

you need same amount buttons as in HLL lol

tell me you never played arma without telling me that you never played arma

oh its true that you can use zoom functions on some sniper scopes

so yeah, it can be more if you zoom

[obtuse dragon]

Ig I dreamed playing prairie fire and spearhead 😔

[tropic oar]

fair, but how can you say that something is better if you heavent tried both things?

Confirmation bias much?

you have to feel the atmosphere man!

dont be a standbyer

no its not xD

you need 2 keys for platoon/faction radio

and then QWEASD + C +Z and a mouse

[worthy charm]

I recommend going into #off-topic-mess-hall, if you keep talking about games which are not HLL.

This isnt the right place for it.

[tropic oar]

no access, its locked

[worthy charm]

Then get the role in id:customize

[tropic oar]

oh and what channel did you recommended? Because it only shows "no access"

i mean what its name

[grizzled kiln]

Because Ghost says so. You can't have an opinion about anything unless you tried it. Reading about it and watching gameplay + reviews , just not enough !

[worthy charm]

I linked you the channels and roles part

Its literally impossible to not have access there.

[tropic oar]

its discord flaw

im not a member on PC,but mobile push msg made me a semimember

hence i cant see any roles

that why my name is white but i can write here

Arma is cold war..its literally 80s

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah it was me being sarcastic 😄 I know what you mean. I played Arma 2 as well.

I like WW2 and WW1 for the most part. And tanks ❤️

[worthy charm]

You talked about Arma and Enlisted...

Just dont do it here and we dont have any problems

[tropic oar]

tell me which channel to go man

i cant see anything. is there offtopic channel?

[worthy charm]

I gave you the role for #off-topic-mess-hall manually

[grizzled kiln]

Willis sent you the link to it. If you click that link you'll get to the offtopic channel

[tropic oar]

oh this, nice

well im not really interested in offtopic, i like to compare hll to other games

but dont worry, ill leave the server

[worthy charm]

This is a HLL channel and thats not gonna change because we are on the HLL discord server.

Again use offtopic for other games

[solemn junco]

It's sad, because they are sitting on pure gold with this title, there's no other game that comes to close to resembling that original battlefield gameplay (pre BFBC2).
But they keep adding stuff before fixing the basics, and honestly I think the current devs don't even understand what makes this game good. Instead, they increase run speed without thought, add non-stop artillery that can take out garrisons, etc. They've made the game unplayable for months a few times since they took over.

[slate canopy]

They increased run speed... Then moved it back. Artillery can be non-stop... If you have the ammo. (And recon not on it)

[solemn junco]

You don't think it's a problem that commands can just spam artillery non stop that takes out the enemy garrison? 👀

[grizzled kiln]

Does no longer destroy garries.

[solemn junco]

Apologies, in that case, carry on

[fluid pawn]

That was removed straight away with teh hotfix this weekl

[grizzled kiln]

Remove arty and do mortars. Like it was planned for ages.

[solemn junco]

But still the point remains, who thought it was a good idea to add it in the first place? They clearly don't play the game

But credits on removing it on short notice

[grizzled kiln]

Agree. One could argue they don't 😄 Should not take many minutes to see how broken the tanks were

[solemn junco]

You should involve the community more with changes like these, anyone that has a few hours in game would've told you this was a dumb idea to begin with. And why have a PTE if you end up sneaking in stuff like this?

[cosmic pilot]

We would all be a lot happier if they kept the run speed

[solemn junco]

I have no issue with arty, but I think the mortar idea was a way better idea. It's stupid that you can't disable it and that it has a VERY short cooldown (not sure if that's also patched, point remains though, I'd prefer if the enemy team can disable it)

[cyan saddle]

Doubt that it was an intentional decision but rather an unconsidered side effect.

[slate canopy]

As I am running after a tank, satchel out "get back here, my legs are tired!"

Also you guys may be my entertainment for the next hour. Car in for oil change and tire rotation

[dim snow]

Should remove it completely

[solemn junco]

It would've been better if they introduced the new arty when they removed the already available ones, and gave us a way to counter it. We all complain about the stupid arty/sniper meta. What do they do? They leave the stupid sniper/arty meta and add more arty that can't even be disabled... Not sure how we should see that as progress 😄

[dim snow]

It’s too overpowering I think

[fluid pawn]

As we mentioned in the U18 changelog, this was just part 1 of our arti rework, so there will be more to come in U19

[dim snow]

Will there be cosmetics coming in update 19?

[cosmic pilot]

Tanks are faster now bloody anyway.
So the main valid complaint about faster infantry is now invalidated.

[slate canopy]

Fair point...

[cosmic pilot]

No

But they should have

It's more difficult now, which is good

[slate canopy]

Sneaky spy class 🤫

[cosmic pilot]

So is everything I propose.

I could agree with that.

[grizzled kiln]

You'd be dead before you reached the ground 😄

[cosmic pilot]

People who claim it isn't possible don't know how software works

In short, yes

[worthy charm]

It isn't possible

:}

[cosmic pilot]

Don't debate me

I see what you did there

[worthy charm]

Tanks are to slow

:}

For real tho the poor recon tanks need a buff, they are kinda to slow now.

[grizzled kiln]

Puma in S44 can do 90 km/h 🙂 We need this in HLL

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/girlsundpanzer-tank-gif-4992914

90 is a bit much dont you think? 😅

[cosmic pilot]

I would want motorcycles in hll

[grizzled kiln]

Nope 😄

[oak current]

And if engines get damaged, you have to replace the engine or repair for 30-60 Minutes.
We are sitting on some amazing concepts potentially Willes

[grizzled kiln]

But first 🐴

[worthy charm]

Karl Mörser when?

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-never-ending-story-atreyu-artax-horse-pulling-gif-24720988

[oak current]

Rideable V2 rockets

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/no-im-not-trump-weird-horse-dr-strangelove-1964comedy-peter-sellers-gif-14713516

[grizzled kiln]

Still hits hard 🙁

[sturdy quarry]

hopefully there is commander smoke shell arty as when the static arty goes the smokescreen will be missing

[oak current]

Back when I did my Commander-Abilities Video, One thing I suggested,was a Smoke-Strafe. Just a plane flying by, quickly dropping some big smoke shells in a line.
Would be a fun smoke screen.

like 6 arty smokes landing - only worry is performance

[sturdy quarry]

i dont know enough about ww2 planes / bombs but if smoke bombs existed that would be cool idea

[oak current]

dont remember if smoke mortar shells were also in that video

[cosmic pilot]

Not that I know of.
Smoke shells would be delivered by artillery

[oak current]

yes

[versed jay]

They will do the road map for 2026 in like April of 2026

[slate canopy]

Well because people don't read, they just post lol

They just post their issue rather than reading other posts with the same issue or the pinned messages

[cosmic pilot]

Chum's on break 🙌

[oak current]

how about we dont open reddit and enjoy life instead

[thin lotus]

Not to the defense of the devs shoddy handling of the entire situation, but people are fools if they think a rollback is feasible or the best course of action at this point

[oak current]

[versed jay]

They didn’t release this years road map unit mid March, so I wouldn’t expect it any sooner probably later with all the crap with U18 and the soon to be crap with U19 and the bad feedback on the stupid stuff that they tried to implement that got bad feedback some before release

[icy plank]

where that SDK at? 👉 👈

[azure ether]

I want horse

[worthy charm]

Drive tanks for 1k hours and you will get it.

[finite berry]

HAHAHAHA

Yes, Wellsy, go drive tanks for 1,000 hours

[azure ether]

Can we please get horse 🥺

Pretty please

[eager orbit]

I want to see horse stepping on AT Mine

It would be cool if engineers could build a stable too.

[potent cipher]

Good stuff! @fluid pawn

[fluid pawn]

We went into a lot of detail with the breakdown on this and hope you approve

[past vortex]

yea nice, ben

[fluid pawn]

Now, I need to dip off to enjoy my anniversary (my partner is not impressed in me ahah)

I hope that you guys on steam enjoy the new branch, and that the games run better this weekend

[meager timber]

Very nice indeed

[fluid pawn]

Back on Monday to share info on the hotfix release 🫡

Thank you all

[dusty bolt]

If only this could have been avoided 🙂

[cunning girder]

Justice for Epic Games players!

[fluid pawn]

Learnings have been don't worry. Will share more on what we'll be doing better in the coming weeks and leading up to U19 🫡

[meager timber]

Appreciate the detailed breakdown of the issue!

[sturdy quarry]

happy anniversary @fluid pawn, get outta here

[dim snow]

Hotfix 3.7 in the month of January 2026

?

[dusty bolt]

Thats not dropping next month right? Right??

Surely with this mess you wouldnt force that upon us

[dim snow]

A hotfix for a hotfix for said hotfix

[fluid pawn]

It's live and pinned on Reddit 🙂

[dim snow]

Ben are we getting cosmetics for update 19?

[slate canopy]

We usually do with update rollouts of some sort, especially since it's a new map.

[sturdy quarry]

let him go, its friday evening on his anniversary!

[dim snow]

I know we do,

Just wanted a definite answer

As I’m a ww2 nerd

[slate canopy]

Patience, young frog~

[dim snow]

Yes I suppose I am at the ripe age of 26 😉

[tame flower]

The fix sure does sound a lot like what I said the issue was. Related to tank explosion physics right? :)

[slate canopy]

I'm older than you by 7 years 😬

[vernal jetty]

Roger Roger

[meager timber]

Physics interacting with bad assets essentially

[dim snow]

It’s a decent mature community, that’s why I like it, don’t get any screaming kids and annoying teen edge lords

[tame flower]

(these are my thoughts, not confirmed issue) It's the same reason we get sever fps drops, after the second hit on heavy tanks, dogs the servers cpu. When tbey added new physics it over lapped with that issue to make the clients crash.

[dim snow]

Tbf I don’t play tank at all, is it really that bad ?

[cosmic pilot]

Unlikely

[dim snow]

I’ve never had the patience of tanking in this game

[tame flower]

If I'm right, you buy me a Klondike bar ya?

[carmine pilot]

Removing 1/3 of maps is wild tbh

[cosmic pilot]

Your brain on hedgerow maps

[gaunt cedar]

I just say that although I appreciate the detailed post, the Chat GPT generated ‘TLDR Summaries’ lose so much context it’s worth writing them by hand. It missed out completely on the explanation of test branches in the summary and it was buried in the article how it worked

[tame flower]

Know what would change this game completely? Add an extra member to the squad. This way all rolls can be played and ever squad could have a support player.

[dim snow]

It’s getting annoying though playing the same saint mere eglise and st Marie du Mont

These are base game maps

[tame flower]

-TL- isn't dead, we're resting?! I think... Haha

[carmine pilot]

I cast console comp matches and help run a league. It’s just annoying that we might have to cancel another week lol

[dim snow]

What’s your staple food in Russia ?

[cosmic pilot]

Just play the other maps

[carmine pilot]

Issue is with map bans and teams doing prep for matches. It just throws a loop into everything. We could do it but most teams will refuse tbh

[dim snow]

Sounds lazy

[cosmic pilot]

What is the point of comp if they can't handle the breadth of what the game has to offer as a challenge.

Oh that's right, optimizing to death the easiest scenario.

[thin lotus]

you see, removing the enemy teams score distribution results in a decrease of skill expression

😬

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-alert-horse-horse-alert-gif-10675569724654458517

[dim snow]

I think every new player has to watch a 10 minute mandatory video of how the game works before they enter a game.

Good idea?

Cracking idea

[slate canopy]

I always suggest watching game play, not even just a 'how it works'.

[tame flower]

They need to add a button to do a mic test. Failing mic, game uninstalls 🤘 jk... Kinda... 😁

[dim snow]

I remember when the game first came out on console and we all knew how to play it, despite it being the first day of release

[tame flower]

80% of all people playing SL recon, have no idea they can put up garries too

[dim snow]

And the echoey mics, can’t believe people still have there tv volume up despite wearing a headset

I love playing cat and mouse at artillery HQ against recon though

[tame flower]

My Mic I got off Amazon is crispy. I do F150 funny commercials over my mic. They all say I missed my calling as a voice actor.

[dim snow]

I’ve never spent more than £80 quid on a mic, don’t see why you need to spend £150+ on a mic

Minimum £50 though on a mic

[meager timber]

Audio Technica AT2020 <3

[lime cypress]

@fluid pawn are you able to play on the servers even tho you use experimental branch?

[slate canopy]

If you play the test version, it will be with only other steam players on that.

[supple ferry]

Things they probably didn't learn:

• Have your QA env as close to prod env as possible (test on the servers you require us to host on)
• Quality features are better than quantity features - Leverage this amazing comm to direct updates
• Don't push a release if the senior dev is saying its bad
• Pair programming

[thin lotus]

even slower output, got it!

[cosmic pilot]

Chum's right.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-x-family-anya-anya-forger-anya-forger-anime-anya-disgusted-gif-26846448

[thin lotus]

damn, if you thought it was slow then, lol