mess-hall

[terse fern]

patch trophy plzzzzzzzz

[nova pivot]

Are you french?

[junior owl]

me, time to load up omaha and drop some nazis

[echo karma]

Those patch notes are worded so wierd bro.

[terse fern]

yes

[fluid pawn]

in what way? I can look at improving them moving forward if you can provide examples 🙂

[nova pivot]

🤨 from where exactly?

[fluid pawn]

just want to provide you with clear comms as best as I can

[echo karma]

I will copy pasta a GGG patch manifesto. 60k words. I kid no, just like default patch notes?

[nova pivot]

Muph Ben is AI, accept it

[echo karma]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3817515

Just simple. These are bug fixes, these are changes etc

[junior owl]

i'd put the fixes in past tense personally, right now it's slightly ambiguous whether something was patched or added

[echo karma]

Also why does website not have forums?

[junior owl]

yea, like that

[echo karma]

I like forums for data stuffs. Patch notes mostly but there's other cool interactions with players. Videos etc

[meager timber]

discord is way better than forums. don't have to make a million different accounts for different forums

[crude gorge]

Based on context I assume game is down for everyone

[junior owl]

literally joined a match right this second

[echo karma]

I assume your t17 login should be tied to hll website no?

[cyan saddle]

I am not moderating a HLL website forum either just putting that out there now

Forums are the worst

[junior owl]

forums you can index, forums you can search. good luck troubleshooting something and finding the solution in a random discord conversation on a server you didn't even know existed

[echo karma]

Yes they are of old times as they say

[bold gale]

😈😈😈

[echo karma]

This mostly. Poe website literally every single change since 2010 lol

[raw flame]

but i want an edgy forum signature like < 2004 🙁

[meager timber]

Agree. That's what reddit is for tho :---D

google is so bad nowadays that you have to put reddit at the end of every question

[terse fern]

that does’nt make you look good, but like an in ce l

[fluid pawn]

We had a list like this in the full changelog no? https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/update-18-changelog

[fluid pawn]

That's great shout tbf. Noted for next time 🫡

[nova pivot]

Ben, do the developers plan to adjust the misplaced assets in Stalingrad?

There are quite a few assets floating

[terse fern]

ben do something for trophy about level to reach wich is locked please

[main harness]

Ok. I am here. What did they mess up this time?

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-everything-avengers-gif-14066494

[broken shoal]

utah keeps crashing my game

[fluid pawn]

Is it just Utah beach?

[broken shoal]

for now just utah

[celest nymph]

please help coordinate some comms pieces with our boy Ben here

[main harness]

Ben is scared to reach out to me 😭

[cyan saddle]

Whats the error message?

[main harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406434934934999080/1425643806883188756/attachment.gif

[broken shoal]

fatal error. just notice it happens in offensive mode only when i spawn in the middle or bottom hq.

not only me btw, testing with another players. we can only spawn at the top lmao

[jovial geode]

For some reason it happens more to offensive servers, rather than warfare ones.

[terse fern]

i know you seen my message

[jovial geode]

I finished a game on Utah before w/o issues.

[grizzled kiln]

Solution is to just remove Offensive mode .EZ fix

[celest nymph]

Maybe the devs should try a different LLM to try fixing the game, chatGPT doesn't seem to work that well

I've had good luck with Claude and Gemini

[main harness]

Jack please control your rampant toxicity.

[celest nymph]

Sorry, I'll work on improving the comms pieces going forward.

[mortal raft]

Seriously tho Google AI studio is kinda cracked

[mortal raft]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1429844276488962048

[azure ether]

Horse

Horse

Real

Damn its 30 sec cooldown now?

[hushed turtle]

Horses wont get stuck on small rocks

[azure ether]

For me its 30 sec cooldown and mot 5 sec that it was before. Justice to horse

[mortal raft]

So yeah we are trying to have a productive conversation about how to fix underlying issues so that the game can be playable again... Thanks for interrupting with this.

[azure ether]

Interrupting?

[past vortex]

the fatal errors ofc
and it seems like those are all over the place for different people
sometimes its on a certain server, but not for everyone
and people got crashes on certain maps, but its not the same maps for everyone
a nightmare

[meager timber]

the fatal errors are completely random for me

[past vortex]

yea i play on the same server every day, no crashes
then there is one day where i crash on that server
next day it works again

[prisma geyser]

Current POV for Community Servers:
Seeded > crash > seeded > crash > seeded > crash

[mortal raft]

So yeah here's a fun one with some AI help.

Prompt: "What is the best course of action for a game developer that rolls out an update that leads to inconsistent and unknown cause game crashes and connection loss of various types for its entire playerbase?"

Response snippet:
Make the Critical Decision: Rollback or Hotfix?

• The Situation: The problem is widespread ("entire playerbase"), the cause is unknown, and the symptoms are severe (crashes, connection loss).
• The Verdict: Initiate an immediate rollback. Trying to diagnose and patch a complex, unknown issue while the live game is on fire is a recipe for disaster. A rollback restores the game to a known, stable state for the players.
  Why a Hotfix is Wrong Here: A hotfix is only viable if you know the exact cause, the fix is simple, and you are 100% confident the fix won't introduce new problems. None of those conditions are met in this scenario.

Full info here if you would like
AI studio, you'll need a Google acct

[past vortex]

**some servers

[prisma geyser]

***All of them

[past vortex]

naw

[worthy charm]

on xbox maybe lol

[past vortex]

oh yea on xbox thats normal ofc

[prisma geyser]

Even the official servers are crashing you just don't see it

[prisma geyser]

We run PC servers as well.

[echo walrus]

When are we going to receive the hotfix for the hotfix?

[past vortex]

yes

[worthy charm]

Kedo I have a hammer

The B hammer

[past vortex]

dickes B
an der spree

[frail heart]

Hotfix still broken now we wait until U28

[worthy charm]

Dont fear

Im sure it will be better in HLLV

-# Im joking

[frail heart]

That's what they wsnt us to think👀

[wooden cloud]

Is anyone getting “lost connection to host” almost immediately after joining servers?

[frail heart]

Yes new feature from team17

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/all-this-is-true-because-it-rhymes-lego-movie-gif-14579344

[wooden cloud]

The hot fix has seemed to fixed our server but now players can’t join. Love it. So much fun.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-gif-696604303596555012

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1430219822167490733/attachment.gif

[little otter]

Rollback and delete the patch, nothing is even good about the update.

[past vortex]

the supply pickup is good

[little otter]

Not good enough 😄 👈

[past vortex]

ample reason to keep the update

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1430220293494018109/attachment.gif

[worthy charm]

Which not critical issues tho? 😆

[little otter]

I'll take not being able to pickup my supply box to play a stable game that I can drive tanks over twigs and not stall while turning.

[worthy charm]

Heresy, someone call the inquisition on this man!

[past vortex]

well even the panther being useless isnt critical compared to the fatal errors

[worthy charm]

Let me play a game to judge that

[past veldt]

I know the nerds really cried about the colour of that soviet hat, but I don't think it was critical

[celest nymph]

MY IMMERSION

[tribal moon]

twig navigation is now fine so far in the panther although not checked every twig yet 😄

[worthy charm]

Kinda valid

[mortal raft]

Here ya go everyone.
Feel free to add any additional comments or concerns but I think this about sums it up. Our job here is done and we can return to our lives, albeit less happy because they lack HLL.

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1430219859899318454

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1430220885154992341/attachment.gif

[past vortex]

oh yea the cubanka color, now its settled the update HAS to stay

[worthy charm]

Poor Ben

[celest nymph]

My only guess about why they won't revert the U18 update is because it's an attempt by T17 at opening up a new revenue stream (Tank skins) and they don't want to undo that.

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1430221363695849472/attachment.gif

Aight, my report has run. That was the last meme for a bit

[prisma geyser]

I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to give your devs the time to really go through and smooth everything over like should’ve been done prior to releasing the update by rolling back to U17 and not actively losing players whilst under the gun. You’re alienating your entire customer base for your next product release ie HLLV.

[nova pivot]

Me

[prime yarrow]

Cod devs be like

[cyan saddle]

sums it up

lets chatgpt generate a whole essay

[mortal raft]

Tbf it seemed like at this point that's what T17 needs. Someone needs to explain to them how a dev pipeline works obviously.

[cyan saddle]

We get the point but I wouldn't call that a summary

[worthy charm]

He forgot to add his playtime tho, so all his point are irrelevant.

-# /s

[sturdy quarry]

none of the other fixes required were to do with textures of anything, so why not let the texture guy work on something whilst the rest get on with other fixes

dont understand the complaint

[cyan saddle]

There was one person talking about censorship and previous posts having been deleted but I genuinely couldn't find anything in our logs

afaik no posts have been deleted. At worst locked.

[past veldt]

Please do not try to apply logic to memes

[mortal raft]

Here is your summary
So yeah here's a fun one with some AI help.

Prompt: "What is the best course of action for a game developer that rolls out an update that leads to inconsistent and unknown cause game crashes and connection loss of various types for its entire playerbase?"

Response snippet:
Make the Critical Decision: Rollback or Hotfix?

• The Situation: The problem is widespread ("entire playerbase"), the cause is unknown, and the symptoms are severe (crashes, connection loss).
• The Verdict: Initiate an immediate rollback. Trying to diagnose and patch a complex, unknown issue while the live game is on fire is a recipe for disaster. A rollback restores the game to a known, stable state for the players.
  Why a Hotfix is Wrong Here: A hotfix is only viable if you know the exact cause, the fix is simple, and you are 100% confident the fix won't introduce new problems. None of those conditions are met in this scenario.

[sturdy quarry]

sorry i shall leave ya to it

[past vortex]

i could join, but it took unusually long

[past veldt]

It's a valid point, and I agree with you. I'm just posting memes

[junior owl]

asking an llm a loaded question and getting the response you want is really not the gotcha you think it is tbh

[mortal raft]

Yeah nah, I def sent stuff before... It was funny cause the only stuff getting deleted was talking about review bombing...

Anyways I'm done here for the day, gotta go write some actual pipelines that support rollbacks 🤷

[past vortex]

well, you cant expect to be allowed to organize review bombing here :D

[amber idol]

Glad to see the hotfix didn’t fix the crashes 😄

[frail heart]

I think its time to start checking steam reviews or just stop playing until things are fixed tbh.

Edit not that we can play anyway 🤣

[night lark]

If its not in the admin logs then posts havent been deleted. You cant fw admin logs

[amber idol]

Tbh other games have been review bombed for less.

[frail heart]

Then there will be a hotfix 3 then hotfix 4 and so on rollback would be the most viable thing right now

[frail heart]

I was trying to find Glows post about the incompetent dev team but not sure if its been deleted or I'm having a moment and can't find it

[main harness]

Tank driving seems much smoother now. However, I did just have a lost connection to host crash 😄

[finite berry]

You can't get stuck in a tank if you can't connect to a server

[past veldt]

Did you check if you could put the tank in reverse?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[main harness]

I only seem to get the lost connection to host crash on my wireless connection

[lethal matrix]

@fluid pawn third times the charm with the crashing right? How many hot fixes are we going to wait for just to play the game without crash

[main harness]

The only tank that struggles in reverse is the med sherman from the brief testing I just did. The rest are better. Tiger feels very slow and cumbersome compared to the other heavies. Which I guess is ok?

[broken shoal]

What they made to the Lutch. It takes like 4 hits to kill it

[worthy charm]

How dare you to assault the name of my boi like that?

Any its skill issue if you need 4 shoots

[fluid pawn]

I've just got out of a meeting with the team investigating and just sent out a #telegrams about the issue. We're hoping to find the cause ASAP and are asking that if players crash to submit the crash into the #1430214896259436665 forum as this will be invaluable for us being to indentify the cause of these crashes

[lethal matrix]

Don't worry it will be a week before it drops again

[mortal raft]

Make the Critical Decision: Rollback or Hotfix?
* The Situation: The problem is widespread ("entire playerbase"), the cause is unknown, and the symptoms are severe (crashes, connection loss).
* The Verdict: Initiate an immediate rollback. Trying to diagnose and patch a complex, unknown issue while the live game is on fire is a recipe for disaster. A rollback restores the game to a known, stable state for the players.
* Why a Hotfix is Wrong Here: A hotfix is only viable if you know the exact cause, the fix is simple, and you are 100% confident the fix won't introduce new problems. None of those conditions are met in this scenario.

[fluid pawn]

Any support that you guys can give would be really appreciated ❤️

[gloomy quartz]

Yo is game fixed?

[fluid pawn]

I see your message however at this moment roll-back is not on the cards as could potentially cause more issues. We are investigating all options at the moment however I reassure you

[steady adder]

U have been for 2 weeks still the same

[mortal raft]

That's honestly impressive. I've seen some really bad backends so T17s must be absolutely atrocious if they can't support an industry standard

[gloomy quartz]

playercount is low lately what the helly

[broken shoal]

Bro using ai to justify his rollback wish

[lethal matrix]

Yeah man it takes 3 weeks to investigate a ongoing issue

[past vortex]

now we need to describe what happened because the crash dumps are useless :}
(the final crashs always happen in the handling of a previous error:)

[lethal matrix]

Don't worry U19 will drop in a month and the same problems will happen again

[mortal raft]

No I'm using AI to show that you don't even need a brain to come to the correct conclusion here.

[gloomy quartz]

AI is smarter though

[rocky pagoda]

All the yap smh my head. When are we getting the horse? 🐴

[broken shoal]

Cant even think for himself

[steady adder]

I mean when is one of the big guys at t17 going to stand up and have the difficult convo with the devs and say this isn't good enough?

[mortal raft]

I did for 3 degrees so 🤷

[lethal matrix]

Can we start taking away peoples jobs? @fluid pawn obviously people aren't cut out for it no longer

[gloomy quartz]

Does t17 use chatgpt for their update ideas/code?

[azure ether]

Horse

[mortal raft]

Ring me anytime. Happy to rebuild your backend

[lethal matrix]

@mortal raft they will just add you to the war correspondent and never listen to your feedback and just use you for free marketing

[mortal raft]

Gg

[broken shoal]

Give me more cosmetics tbh

[wind shore]

Revert all of u18 slowly release small updates and TEST UPDATE BEFORE RELEASING

[past vortex]

cmon everyone
those errors happened for years and no one ever figuered it out
why would they now
code is basically untouchable

[thin lotus]

Are you on their payroll? You don’t have to defend bad work

[broken shoal]

Based

[amber idol]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ragebait-unfunny-gif-16287673725848722523

[gloomy quartz]

Yeah down with the capitalists! Eat the rich!

[lethal matrix]

How much did Ben slip you to agree with this

[fluid pawn]

I don't have the money for that

[finite berry]

Just block him and live in peace

[lethal matrix]

When can we play the game Ben again?

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/amputee-amp-bowling-fall-over-putt-gif-8872659

[fluid pawn]

Hopefully asap 🥲

[lethal matrix]

When can we add more QA testers for u19 so this doesn't happen again?

[pseudo girder]

90% of our HLL community has gone poof

[worthy charm]

9000%

Game is ded already

[wind shore]

Let it die

[past vortex]

negative player numbers even

[lethal matrix]

They already nuked it anyways

[pseudo girder]

Yeah, from our side of things I dont see the HLL side of things reviving.

[worthy charm]

-4k players when?

[gloomy quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129025540926476288/1289216549592498261/brave_83wzkRA3ZD2.gif

[finite berry]

@worthy charmCan we please go back to a five seconds cool-down, the situation has calmed down hours ago

[amber idol]

Make sure everyone is hyped for U19, because that’s when we’ll get the hotfix that fixes U18.

[pseudo girder]

U19 will break something else though!

[gloomy quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287908850829361212/1428849069760970752/attachment.gif

[amber idol]

Damn my emoji react perms are gone 😭

[main harness]

Where do I suggest banning Matthew

[worthy charm]

nah

[finite berry]

Thanks :)

[gloomy quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1424450292006654043/1424813487120584764/c55518049347bdd39d2fec23f0c02a51.gif

[lethal matrix]

@worthy charm badger sent me slurs in my DMs can he get a timeout in this server. It's my o my mutually connection with him

[finite berry]

In any case, HLL's playercount still moves between 3k and 5k players at the moment (according to Steam which doesn't even count console players)

Unless I'm missing something

[worthy charm]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1342696665001230407 and you better have proof

[amber idol]

I feel bad for the poor souls that agree to be Moderators here. That’s some next level CBT.

[past vortex]

how can there be proof for a DM ? :D

[past veldt]

I made some memes. Maybe they'd help motivate the team in these trying times

[worthy charm]

I have free skins, than make it fine.

[wind shore]

Send

[gloomy quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-fedora-mod-splarticus-gif-4038671862371751342

[mortal raft]

Yesterday steam said 4k online, but server browser showed a grand total of ~600 so... (And yeah no filters)

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1430219822167490733/attachment.gif

[wind shore]

He get the mod skins

[main harness]

They were all seeding glows east

[past veldt]

This is my favourite. The others are all in here

[worthy charm]

Dont post that to often

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1430232265073365215/image.png?ex=68f90718&is=68f7b598&hm=be0caa4dfed7b81d6e62ae7780982e762b3f87b10dc073d00694434168c4495d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[past veldt]

You're not my dad

[wind shore]

Post it once a day tbh

[main harness]

Then why do you call him Daddy?

[finite berry]

Better say that to the horse guy

[ornate python]

Why would you fire people because they are understaffed? Brain dead take

[worthy charm]

@covert elbow I summon thee

[finite berry]

I dunno, but I think those Steam charts are rather accurate, aren't they?

[lethal matrix]

Do you have the game downloaded yet?

[past veldt]

A habit from hanging out with HB

[finite berry]

What do you mean yet :D

[amber idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278712954040352922/1427374982685523968/togif.gif

[main harness]

I don't care about horses. I just want HLL Fallujah

[frail heart]

BF6 comp leagues let's go👀

[lethal matrix]

Nice perms widow

[gloomy quartz]

HLL players are too slow for BF6

[past veldt]

No logistics role in BF6 so I'm out

[amber idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275836529880862831/1429542368373379122/686834de159a9d56a591e9b0fbfddaabb714c29f90277fa6fba8b7039f8d006f.gif

[main harness]

Lmao widow what did you do

[past veldt]

If I can't prone crawl across the map, I'm not playing

[amber idol]

I spoke the truth.

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/mussolini-serious-who-cares-gif-5388395

my reaction to missing gif perms

[gloomy quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945884361973190677/1061035019235246140/902FC265-CBD5-4133-A5DA-4A0E65042E8B.gif

[frail heart]

Some folk already exploring the SDK to make some type of HLL mode in it time will tell I guess

[amber idol]

Maybe if HLL catered to the furry market this game wouldn’t need three hotfixes right @long lynx

[main harness]

@amber idol also, why have you declined the game on Sunday?

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1341477787961135155/1424486348261163048/attachment.gif

[gloomy quartz]

Wow that got leaked

[lethal matrix]

Omen crash out valid tbf

[finite berry]

Genius. T17, hire this man postehaste

[gloomy quartz]

fair enough

[past veldt]

Nothing is sacred in HLL

[amber idol]

I’ve gotta work unlike Europeans. (I wish I could work 2 hours and drink for 6)

[past veldt]

I'm lucky no one cares about me because I've got some horrendous stuff in WTH channels

[past vortex]

skill issue

[amber idol]

Yo hire me right now!

[fallen ravine]

Good feet too

[gloomy quartz]

Clearly never saw the DC and MS internal channels

[lethal matrix]

White toenail pedicure as well

[past veldt]

I once suggested that WTH needed more French players

[past vortex]

why are so many comp players se*ually insecure

[amber idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278712954040352922/1424339201062604880/speed.gif

[gloomy quartz]

what the helly

[amber idol]

1/10 ragebait tbh

[past vortex]

wdym ragebait

[lethal matrix]

They dan get them from furious frogs after they implode when they get their arty killed again and get 5-0'd

[wind shore]

No no

[past vortex]

honest question

[wind shore]

That was funny asf

[main harness]

I submit a formal request that Matthew is permanently banned.

[stark agate]

Because people don't like to hear facts

[main harness]

@fluid pawn you must be the one to wield the sword and carry out the sentence.

[meager timber]

they (i) just need acceptance

[past vortex]

good point

[mystic beacon]

i blame carentan bridge...it all started when it got straight again..

[past veldt]

You don't like straight things?

[mystic beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wowawewa-borat-wowwawewaa-gif-15656274

[stark agate]

Why is this channel more a off topic channel then the off topic

[lethal matrix]

Can we make this game more woke and 2025 based by adding for me to have a trans character in game or are we just transphobic devs?

[meager timber]

ads fov fix when

[wind shore]

Reasons give us 10

[amber idol]

🤓

[main harness]

Only 10?

[vital vault]

All day I've been randomly dying to nothing with no cause of death in the kill screen anyone else getting this

[stark agate]

If you ask it this way
Yes and we all are get lost

[wind shore]

We’re waiting

[lethal matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-dog-bark-ragebait-succesful-gif-13695976480928012940

[past vortex]

so is VPN :D

yea youre a criminal i guess

[fallen ravine]

Please don’t @ the team during after hours.

[mortal raft]

Unfortunately when you make mistakes at work ... Sometimes it will affect your non-work life. This is the real world

[stark agate]

@fallen ravine ok

[fallen ravine]

Please don’t bring up the devs personal lives.

[wind shore]

@fallen ravine are you a mod?

[brave turtle]

or else?

[stark agate]

@fallen ravine chill down

[fallen ravine]

Yes.

Can you not tell?

[crude gorge]

💀

[wind shore]

No because I don’t care

[brave turtle]

dont see a role... you sure you are not just white knighting

[stark agate]

Nah no mod here is this level of annoying

[meager timber]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-kaczynski-ted-ted-k-gif-20150378

[brave turtle]

wait.. it has to be roleplay. Are you in 82ad?

[gloomy quartz]

Lack of social connection

And small penis

[crude gorge]

Showers are their commodity

[gloomy quartz]

Eating processed foods all day plays a role aswell

lack of sunlight

[fallen ravine]

I’m better than that

[brave turtle]

doesn't seem like it

[fierce fern]

are all servers down?

[analog apex]

nope

but it's Tuesday, idk when exactly but there is some regular Steam maintenance going on on Tuesdays... I don't remember the exact time

[fierce fern]

oki....

[analog apex]

let me see

[fierce fern]

can you

[analog apex]

the maintenance is starting in 3 hours so it's not it

and I loaded the in-game server list normally, all servers there

[fierce fern]

oki i dont understand

[analog apex]

are you sure you are not running the HLL PTE client?

[fierce fern]

yeh

[analog apex]

🥶

😶

[fierce fern]

ye i think i have to oppdate

😜

[ivory aurora]

#rollback

[hallow shard]

Can we go back to update 1

[analog apex]

yeah you should - I thought you already have

[hallow shard]

LETS START OVER

[analog apex]

let's go to alpha/beta playtests... those were the best

[finite berry]

Go back to early access

[hallow shard]

When will I be made Admin of HLL

[ivory aurora]

it is genuinely worse post-hotfix

[wind shore]

I vote right now

[analog apex]

or lets go to pre-alpha the devs used for the 1st footage - everything looked nice yet - natural colours, nice grass & flowers, realistic dense hedgerows

no airheads

[hallow shard]

I'll fix everything

[analog apex]

yeah, I miss those times when HLL also ran so perfectly smoothly even on my old PC

now it's a microStutteromania

[hallow shard]

I have yet to crash in game

[wind shore]

Stops lying to us

[analog apex]

https://tenor.com/view/micah-micah-bell-rdr-2-rdr-rdr2-gif-3790225292586893612

[hallow shard]

I've been on holidays for 2 weeks and only got back on day after hotfix

Cause everything always works out for me

Thus why I should be admin

[analog apex]

aaah right 😄

[hallow shard]

Make HLL great again

[analog apex]

then it's true 😄

[hallow shard]

I will stand up for the people

[glossy echo]

How does the kubanka look like now after hot fix?

[rocky pagoda]

PC components are mostly processed sand and metals. Plastic is a biproduct of petroleum distillation so I guess the PC case is.

🤓

[steep gorge]

Daily advice. If you ever feel like you don’t know what you want to do with your life or that you’re not good at anything just remember that the developers here are exactly the same and they still get paid. You can become anything you want, as long as you want it!

[civic dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-squid-g-squid-gaming-streamer-what-did-you-fix-gif-19627943

[fickle scaffold]

at this point lads if we all move to squad44, we might have a week or two before we can complain

[celest nymph]

how we doing today chat

i hope everyone is outside touching grass and not thinking about HLL

[haughty geode]

Ban this man

[grizzled kiln]

The game looked so much better back then ❤️

[finite berry]

I strongly second this :)

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-blank-stare-the-office-michael-scott-stare-gif-9263668

[finite berry]

:)

[grizzled kiln]

Played armor yesterday in S44 with some pos French tanks. That was no fun at all 😄

It's fun to play on the good maps, but it's absolute cancer on the bad ones. Should remove those from the rotation if you want the base to grow.

[slate canopy]

Psst. Talk of other games in #off-topic-mess-hall unless it's about stuff you want in HLL. Thankiiiies.

[steady vessel]

You think the hotfix fixed things

[grizzled kiln]

Would like most of the tank gameplay from S44 in HLL please

[fickle scaffold]

Well it can’t be worse!!

[hallow shard]

Nothing's been broken for me

Sounds like everyone else is a Skill Issue

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-1174038786188830953

[finite berry]

Those maps are not the problem the playercount is not growing, and French maps are good. :) So are French tanks

[rocky pagoda]

U18 Horsefix when? 🙏

[hallow shard]

Especially @rocky pagoda

[finite berry]

Stonne, my beloved

[hallow shard]

Make me Admin of HLL and I'll bring horses to HLL

[grizzled kiln]

They are absolute garbage

[finite berry]

nah

Stonne is really good and most French tanks are pretty capable, at the very least for wrecking infantry

[steady vessel]

Mick is a tyrant and a dictator. Mick for admin

[fickle scaffold]

I’d love to see how badly they’d implement horses if they did

[finite berry]

And if you get a Matilda, Char B1 or Somua S35, boy oh boy, they shred

[hallow shard]

Micktatorship is coming to all of HLL

[grizzled kiln]

Also not broken for me ( I don't play the game at the moment. So 0 crashes ) 😄

[hallow shard]

Micktatorship and horses

[finite berry]

Can't crash if you don't play, get a load of this man's genius :D

[grizzled kiln]

Only way to do it at the moment 🙂

[fickle scaffold]

Only proven method that never fails

[sturdy bridge]

When they add the horse in the hotfix, are we able to customize the saddle?

[worthy charm]

I play and just dont crash

[finite berry]

Like I said, I want the Geralt and Roach skin pack

[worthy charm]

works 100%

[finite berry]

Might even make me buy the game 👀

[sturdy bridge]

I'm gonna name my horse HerrWilles

[finite berry]

Moderator privileges, shoo

[grizzled kiln]

They won't be able to get out of spawn. Got stuck on a small branch or bush . Sry

[worthy charm]

Please do

[grizzled kiln]

Obv rigged

[sturdy bridge]

Actually, no. I'm gonna name my horse after something I TRULY love. So, I shall name it "Competent devs who care about their game and the mental ability to not break it"

[hallow shard]

I'm afraid this is nothing in comparison to Micktatorship

Just ask the people

[rocky pagoda]

My horse will be stricken with equine influenza and I will be forced to put it down so as not to infect the rest of the cavalry players on my team.💀

For my actions I will receive +10 support score.

[worthy charm]

Such a long name might crash the servers again

[sturdy bridge]

This will acutally ebe a commander ability, and it will automatically destroy 14 garrisons

[hallow shard]

Guys if you could all spam suggestions with Make mick Admin that would be great

No more context is needed

[sturdy bridge]

How can we make this game more enticing to e-girls?

[hallow shard]

Ban you

[rocky pagoda]

Add horse

[hallow shard]

[frail heart]

Add pink Acog sight

[sturdy bridge]

Ight chat spool up the horses, we need some cat ears and rgb lights in this joint 🐴

[bold gale]

Don't care at all

[rocky pagoda]

2nd Cavalry Regiment DLC Pack

Includes:
x1 2nd Cavalry 1LT spurs
x1 2nd Cavalry Coat
x1 2nd Cavalry Riding Pants
x1 2nd Cavalry Barding

Now I can finally milsim the right way.

[nocturne birch]

what would you name your horses?

[rocky pagoda]

$10.99

Also it is only available to use on Mortain.

[brisk oasis]

guys i just got HLL on steam, and it says im in the public testing branch, although i didnt ask to be in it. i checked the betas and it doesnt say im in any betas. how do i switch back to the normal game?

[steady vessel]

Pink Pony Club outfit DLC when? @worthy charm

[brisk oasis]

? how do i install the base game then? cause i thought i installed the base version but i guess not?

ah really?

let me check one moment

ey i see it now. thanks a lot!

[nova oracle]

Tanking fixed?

Ok I’ll ask again in 5 minutes

People have the attention span of toddlers these days I swear

[topaz barn]

wtf does this mean other people are crashing ?

what have you done to the game we all been playing for 4 years

[inland elk]

after todays fixes i had 2 crashes in 30minutes

[worthy charm]

Nothing?

bro thinks im a dev

lmao

[inland elk]

and I hadnt any for a few days before

[nova oracle]

This games crazy

I come back, tanking is broke, my clans disbanded, left from bad and came back to worse

[inland elk]

wait for Vietnam this gona be saigon

[nova oracle]

Yeah I think my futures in the jungle

[analog apex]

you have a colourful name so you gotta be a dev! 😄

[nova oracle]

Well at least it didn’t take several games for hell let loose to fumble

[languid zephyr]

Hello, just had a long day of touching grass and considering buying BF 6 and uninstalling HLL all while taking my 5400 hours and cramming them so far up my lower orifice that you start to see numbers coming out of my mouth. Wanted to check in and see how the hotfix is? Did they add horse?

[nova oracle]

BF 6 isn’t much better, they kinda screwed it with the last update

[sturdy bridge]

Sadly not yet, but it’s confirmed in the works

[nova oracle]

Are you by any chance a milsim player?

[analog apex]

What are you guys talking about? There weren't nor ever will be horses in HLL. Ever.

Not that kind of game.

[languid zephyr]

I've been playing this game much longer than you and I'm here to tell you there will be horses in HLL

[analog apex]

that was a good one 😄 ... for both the "points"

[languid zephyr]

Yes. How copy?

[nova oracle]

“It was the milsim players who betrayed the people!”

[topaz barn]

i meant yous as a company jesus. you know HLL T17. no need to try and be smart.

[nova oracle]

“Milsim players like this one!”

[worthy charm]

Why you as a company tho...

[nova oracle]

What is Jesus company?

[languid zephyr]

Be advised - this man doesn't work for T17

[topaz barn]

cause the games almost unplayable

[languid zephyr]

[worthy charm]

Its not like I work at t17 either

[analog apex]

you replied to HerrWilles message in there though, so naturally he/everybody expected you meant him

[nova oracle]

Someone should start a clan called the disciples

[topaz barn]

aye but hes a mod here with a link to them.

[fickle scaffold]

Less clans = better

[languid zephyr]

He is a voicebox but he's with the people now. Spawn a horse or GTFO

[analog apex]

he is not a Community Manager, that's Ben's job - he is the link to the devs. Discord mods have nothing to do with it.

[fickle scaffold]

Gets rid of that comp player mentality

[nova oracle]

Herrwilles, German so naturally an authority figure

[fickle scaffold]

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[finite berry]

Absolutely wunderbar

[fickle scaffold]

Prima!

[languid zephyr]

That's not true

[topaz barn]

see all he had to say and not be a absolute douche about it.

[languid zephyr]

I am community manager now

[nova oracle]

Kick start my heart is really about Germany in the First World War

[analog apex]

whatever you say...

[topaz barn]

https://tenor.com/view/hudson-chesterfield-wwrp-red-dead-hat-tip-wild-west-rp-hudson-hudson-hat-tip-gif-20262529

[nova oracle]

Think about the Lyrics

[languid zephyr]

My first job will be to rollback. We will now provide two additional options for Allies and Axis. Heavy Clydesdales

You can have maximum of 2 horse on field per team

[worthy charm]

Sorry If I made it sound like it.

[nova oracle]

Someone’s letting off fireworks

[worthy charm]

For real tho I didnt had any crashed jet

and only 2 dcs

[languid zephyr]

To repair horse. You must stick your torch all the way up the orifice to reach the heart.

[nova oracle]

Honestly horses in HLL would be fun

[worthy charm]

• the game would be in a worse state would I actually be a dev

[languid zephyr]

Heavy Clydsdale top please

and looking for a TC/Gunner with a very long arm

[nova oracle]

Nah, bring the SS divisions to hell let loose

[languid zephyr]

*and rep kit

[nova oracle]

What’s the town with the Tiger in saving private Ryan?

[grizzled kiln]

Exactly what an employee at T17 would say rn tho 🤨

[languid zephyr]

Can I be community manager for next two hours. I would like yellow name please?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sonny-i-robot-gif-23790834

[analog apex]

wasn't it made-up?

I know it's called Ramelle

but it didn't/doesn't exist in real world

[worthy charm]

Its french

Ramelle was a small town on the Mederet River in France

[analog apex]

find it on the map then 😄 😏

[grizzled kiln]

its a fictional town

And filmed in England 😄

[bold gale]

City of Kropotkin

[nova oracle]

Wasn’t Saving filmed In Ireland?

They couldn’t get the rights to the actual Normandy beaches

Yet walking dead can 💀

[grizzled kiln]

Ramelle was filmed north of London. Don't know about the rest of the film locations

[past vortex]

reminder to focus on bashing the hotfix everyone

[grizzled kiln]

"fix" yeah dunno about that tbh

[analog apex]

I am focusing just on my bed right now, see ya tomorrow 🙂

[covert elbow]

So did the hotfix work?

[finite berry]

No

[nova oracle]

I find it very hard to believe that the development of Vietnam “doesn’t” effect the development of hell let loose

[finite berry]

Crashes still happen because players now can't join servers if I'm not mistaken

[covert elbow]

You don’t even play HLL

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[junior owl]

played 5 matches in a row without any issues, works on my end™

[finite berry]

Of course it does.

[covert elbow]

It’s affected HLL for years. Vietnam is without a doubt the reason why we get low quality and far between updates compared to why we had/ should have. That was another lie they said through their teeth

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[nova oracle]

If they were honest from the start about developing Vietnam then we’d understand the lack of updates for HLL

I imagine they were developing it as early as the T17 acquisition of HLL

[covert elbow]

Assumedly

It’s been in production for a year and a half so they were thinking about it before that

[nova oracle]

Fair

I’m kinda over here mourning my clan, their members scattered to the winds

[cerulean iris]

Whats the path for steam crash logs?

[cerulean iris]

C:\Users\your name\AppData\Local\HLL\Saved\Crashes

[robust bear]

Nope...i got a ue4 twice in 10 mins

[frail heart]

I today also stepped down from any HLL duties at my clan game so far gone theres no going back now

[robust bear]

Sry to hear it.

[topaz barn]

you expect people to buy HLL Vietnam when yous have royally f up this update. crash crash city. got preivate server crashing 2-3 tiems aday and in game crashes

[topaz barn]

up the gers

[frail heart]

WATP 😉

[topaz barn]

HLL is a worst state than rangers atm 😂

crashes the same on pc side ?

[frail heart]

Man we just thumb up whoever and whatever manager wants to join our terrible team at current

[topaz barn]

got to give him a chance though

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/get-up-private-allen-rangers-lead-the-way-wake-up-alarm-move-gif-18304939316299395597

[frail heart]

Falkirk will win the league next year Both Rangers & Celtic poor performance in for a long time

[cerulean iris]

yeah

[topaz barn]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[gray belfry]

How long, you guys think, before there's a total abandonment of the game by people, and servers start registering empty servers for several weeks?

Asking for a friend... 👀

[topaz barn]

well we already had to postpone a round of TPL comp games

wonder if this weeks will be the same

[main niche]

Probably not much longer tbh

[crimson crown]

I would give it 6 months max

[proven totem]

Waited in queue for 5 mins and game crashed as soon as I spawned in 😴

[cerulean iris]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1430225107057639585

[sturdy bridge]

Horse?

[echo karma]

That's what she said

[wind shore]

Today

[main niche]

On the bright side whenever a solo tanker steals your heavy and you can’t get another one thanks to the magnificent new limits we desperately needed at least we won’t have to rage quit. The game will do it for us by crashing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[peak garnet]

Does this update fix the "Fatal Error" stuff?

[sturdy bridge]

Probably not

[peak garnet]

😢

[eager orbit]

I had lot of crashes and disconnects during weekend but since Monday I am okay, not a single crash or disconnect. I guess I am just lucky

[hard stag]

Any idea why I can't verify game files on Epic Games?

[knotty wing]

Does anyone know how I can find this yUh guy? I made a Reddit post about how great he is, but now he doesn’t play with me anymore 😭

[slate canopy]

I am pretty sure he is on this discord. The name sounds familiar.

[charred anvil]

@rocky pagoda

[wind shore]

His bio is hilarious 😂😂😂😂

[night lark]

Amazing. Shame not a lot of folks will get this reference

[azure heath]

Don't get me started on the Rangers

[topaz barn]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[azure heath]

This is why the Islanders are better 🫣

[topaz barn]

oh naw am on bout football mate not ice hockey lol

[azure heath]

i didnt read context

both are abominations

One in the same

[sharp quartz]

i said "straif", 2 planes shot a rocket and my game crashed

cinema

[broken shoal]

sever crashd. thanks team17

[hallow shard]

Yuh is a hero

[hallow shard]

Football is actually called soccer ball

[nova oracle]

Honestly it’s sad

Thank you

[nova oracle]

It’s already begun

When a clan like We Raise The Bar disbands you know it’s all going wrong

[hazy owl]

This game has progressed into an Early Access release

[night lark]

I did this a long time ago when my clan veterans stopped playing HLL. Enjoy the freedom and stress free gaming!

[nova oracle]

Then we lose great clans

[hallow shard]

Who?

[frail heart]

Yeah man BSB is big these days but luckily alot of the guys are up for switching game as they cant take anymore of the hll team17 crisis they having in that office rn

[nova oracle]

This is why we need drama and rivalry, good old competition

[night lark]

Its pretty sad seeing a clan fall apart for one reason or the other. Regardless of how you feel about certain individuals when you work with them, when youre in a tournament with a group of dudes and their clan falls apart it gets ye

[nova oracle]

A clan that everyone loves to hate and hates to love

Like a WWE wrestler or something

[hallow shard]

Ain't noone heard of them

also clans dropping like flies

[frail heart]

No matter what clan, clans & communites are the biggest contributers to HLL by the 1000s. When we all stop there will be nothing left of this game.

[nova oracle]

When we fought TFMC on Dugout barn, though we lost, we lost together and that made all the difference

[night lark]

Not many games like HLL sadly. There is S44 but i dont think its as accessible. Theres Squad if you like modern and i think BF6 will have private servers soon

[nova oracle]

HLL’s teamwork is something else

We really needed Battlefront III

[night lark]

Its the clans that run the good servers and admin them at no cost to the devs btw. Even the admin tools we use are made by clans

[nova oracle]

I miss the battlefront games, I’ve always loved big ground battles

[frail heart]

BF6 once private servers are around. The devs have now heard and are willing to maybe go back to BF4 servers kinda thing.

83 coming out rusty but new and fresh and devs are putting work into it.

Arma Reforger another big hitter can be made very much like HLL.

[nova oracle]

Arma reforger is a pain

20 minute helicopter rides

[night lark]

Ive never tried Arma Reforger

[nova oracle]

Way too many milsim clans

Pretty sure on hell let loose we drove out the milsim clans, people don’t stand for their nonsense

[frail heart]

Reforger has the ground work there, support & logistics, squads, commanders, a decent voice chat.

MODSS
You can legit do anything you want if you got the time and brain to work with the SDK Creator tools for it.

[night lark]

I dont think milsim was much of a thing in HLL

[nova oracle]

They do indeed exist

[night lark]

Yikes

[nova oracle]

When clans refer to “hired guns” they mean milsim players

[frail heart]

I dont mind people doing milsim clans its when they do milsim 1942 on the extreame side

[nova oracle]

I’ve seen whole milsim clans practice against random HLL players and I’ve beaten my fair share of them

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/вот-такие-пироги-that's-it-вот-так-вот-gif-12653794252752033520

[night lark]

See this is why i like squad. It think its a pretty good happy medium if you want more milsimmy but still not be bored or stressed about the actual gameplay

[nova oracle]

There’s a big milsim clan who play dress up as a comp clan

[frail heart]

But do you also mean just normal clans like the one I run where we play comp? Course Public players will get crushed but if playing against other clans its fair game for both

[nova oracle]

They’re a milsim clan in makeup

[nova oracle]

No like actual milsim clans

[frail heart]

Tried Squad a few times its okay and fun but admin tools lacking in there

[nova oracle]

They always have ranks in their names

They’ll have some really cringy names and rank clan tags

[frail heart]

Yeah I know a few planned to play against a US East clan back in the early days proper milsim clan. They gave us date and time we agreed. Match day comes no ones there I go ask there guys I had to go through 4 different people in there military ranks to find out they are all out fishing and not ready to play

[night lark]

I dont know alot about the admin side. We only had a small private game server so the admin wasnt that hard

[nova oracle]

Weren’t 3/5 was it?

[frail heart]

Im not to sure tbh was a long time ago

[night lark]

See unless the ranks correspond to some actual administration role within the clan (we has SGTs as like key community people, server/discord admins and stuff) its so cringy

[nova oracle]

If a clan ever says to you they don’t have a leader that’ll be a lie

Clans tend to have that one respected commander who’s usually head honcho

[frail heart]

Yeah i mean the games okay but server specs also and holy man there server owners discord filled with so many entitled people.

I asked a question about map rotation, first guy comes back asking me what my specs of the server are then said "im going to report you to the devs because your hardware is lacking a little"

[nova oracle]

Naturally people have a pecking order

[night lark]

That is fkin funny

Doesnt surprise me though

[nova oracle]

There’s still people who think dogs barking means there’s an airhead 😂😂

[night lark]

The non european side of squad is full of reprobates. Theres a bunch of good servers and clans based in the UK that i like to play on

[frail heart]

Turns out I had better specs on the server than they ever had and had a full apology from there 8 different clan members who are all in that same place, but you were only allowed 3 admins max

[nova oracle]

Even though it’s map ambience

[frail heart]

44th are decent lads

[night lark]

I really like 44th. Theres also Skira and Royal Batt. All pretty friendly really well adminned servers

Actually going to install squad now 😂. Miss me some ATGM fun

[frail heart]

Royal Batt are good servers too

[nova oracle]

44TH are huge on Holdfast

[night lark]

Tea and Country are good too, theyre new player friendly

[nova oracle]

Small on Hell let loose though

[frail heart]

Now im only concentrating on the community side of my clan and exploring other game options before its too late. As HLL for me and many of us is dead. The player count looks good on paper but more than half those players dont know what an OP or Garrison is still

[nova oracle]

I swear all of MERC are in 44TH, I keep hearing “up the 44TH” on their servers

[frail heart]

Depends if its the ones from HLL ew

[nova oracle]

It sounds like half the hell let loose community is in the 44TH on hold

[nova oracle]

The game should never of been put on gamespass

[frail heart]

It is true alot of HLL clans are within the 44th as allied clans who will play on their servers, seed & donate

[nova oracle]

Gamespass is a gateway drug, people use it for 2 weeks then bin it off

[frail heart]

Gamepass & the free epic launch that broke the game big time more than any broken update theyve given us

[nova oracle]

Honestly I don’t see why combining the PC and console communities of HLL would be such a bad idea anymore

People cheat regardless

[night lark]

You barely see Gamepass and Epic Games guys in discord and in clans

[frail heart]

£5 DLC to unlock crossplay

[nova oracle]

That’s because clans are sensible and you have to be experienced to be in clans

[frail heart]

Yeah i got 2 and they are nice guys but I agree the ones who just play because they can shoot gun in game ruin it for rest

[nova oracle]

That’s every American 😂

I swear some servers sound like the invasion of Iraq

[night lark]

Meh, most clans will take people on if theyre good craic and want to join in

[nova oracle]

It’s always the American squad lead who leads his squad straight into MG’s

[frail heart]

HLL on sale like every month, bad updates, blueberries who dont care, no mics, no thought process, veterans leaving, clan members only playing comp. If you look at the steamDB only reason HLL hits 6-7k a week is because of

• Tuesdays Weekly Events
• Thursdays Weekly Events
• Sundays (Biggest due to majority leagues)

[nova oracle]

You just hear “CHARGE” MG’s open up

[nova oracle]

Then you get experienced players who refuse to join clans for whatever reason

[feral vine]

Just show them the skirmish trailer

[nova oracle]

Orr they refuse to touch any command role

[feral vine]

Because clans are lame

[night lark]

Clans made the game playable and not a hack fest full of aim bots and mute players

[frail heart]

One thing that gets me the most is folk who dont use a mic. Youve got no excuse, if you cant dont play..

[fervent meadow]

Hilde weren’t you banned on your other discord account for being weird?

[harsh egret]

I'm the American squad lead who flanks the enemy MG's and backdoors their garrisons on obj. I resent this haterade you sippin on.

[cyan saddle]

I thought you were the american squad lead that supposedly stopped playing the game months ago? 🤭

[frail heart]

But when we do that, the randoms dont know how to act then we steam roll, then we all try balance out the clan members then people leave because qaulity of matches playing againt headless chickens in public 😉

[cyan saddle]

Shouldnt have said that should i

[harsh egret]

All I've said is that I only still play this game because the people in my clan. Not sure you got the right guy.

I did uninstall for a year at one point after Remagen

[cyan saddle]

Fair nough

[feral vine]

Pc problems. Clans operate on zerg mindset, super boring

[past vortex]

did anyone try the panther yet?

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE** ❕
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Some players may experience the following issues during Steam's routine maintenance:

• EAC Notifications
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[gentle lintel]

HLL Bot isn’t crashing; we can always rely on it

[slate canopy]

Maintenance Tuesdayyyyy

[night lark]

Maybe xbox is different but on PC two or three clanned up squads will kerb stomp blueberry players all day long

[feral vine]

Yeah pub stomping is boring af

[night lark]

Be better then. Clans play optimally

Like its not the clans fault that the other team doesnt do call outs or respond to call outs for example

[feral vine]

Yeah because pub stomping is really gonna encourage players to learn the game and not just quit. Isn't there enough hurdles to even get the game working without some clan dorks raiding officials

[fallen ravine]

Holy cope

[night lark]

Clans dont play on officials lol

[feral vine]

Yeah thats why clans have servers

[feral vine]

Then it isnt pub stomping

[night lark]

Clan hosted servers are public open dude

Like if a balance of the players are not affiliated, and that is usually the case, then you can call it a public server because there are no bars to entry

Anyone can play on community hosted clan servers

The Circle and EXD have like 4 each lol

So yeah you can clan stack and still public stomp… because its a public server… its discouraged but even if theres like 3 different clans on a team running three squads that team will get the win

Did you think community and clan hosted servers were closed?

[feral vine]

Sounds like extra work to zerg

[night lark]

Sounds like copium. Get better i guess

EZ GG

[slate canopy]

I mean, they can ya know... lock it, but I appreciate the community servers that allow non-community/clan members in.

[night lark]

Most do. If you look through the server browser there are not that many locked servers that arent specifically set aside

[slate canopy]

Yeah, usually it's for specific events they may lock it, but it's obvious.\

[night lark]

Aye idk what this guys problem is or what he thinks public servers are but take it from me, someone thats paid for and ran a game server or two, if Joe Shmo can join a server without being clan affiliated then its a public server lol

[feral vine]

Wtf are you a child?

[night lark]

Nah, just played this game enough to know how to set up garrisons and use escape+redeploy

[feral vine]

Congrats you've accumulated 2 weeks of play time

[night lark]

Youre very hostile. What do you mean by zerg rush anyway? Do you think that immediately attacking a point is zerg rushing?

[lucid rapids]

can we all just agree that it can be both fair and not fun at the same time

[slate canopy]

I mean, it's fun when you're on the team that's winning in 15 minutes... but also suuuucks when you're on the other team losing in 15 minutes lol

[feral vine]

Yeah staring at loading screens is more fun than playing the game. Great job, proud of you.

[night lark]

It does suck. But thats why you prepare to defend especially if you dont look like youll win the first cap race

[night lark]

Imagine being this salty

[fallen ravine]

I can’t imagine this game being too fun on console after having so many hours on pc anyway

[feral vine]

It was fun when it worked

[fallen ravine]

Agreed but you were giving any other reason beforehand

To why your experience sucks

[feral vine]

Not my personal experience, just clans steam rolling pub matches isnt fun and their player base (as indicated above) are generally frothing douchers spamming ez gg.

Thats any game tbf

[night lark]

As i said, learn to play the game. Prepare to defend. If you need the opposite team to give you 20mins to set up garrisons you have a skill issue

[feral vine]

I have 2k hours buddy. Im very aware as to how to play the game. I'd regularly encourage my team to enjoy the match instead of steam rolling repeatedly

[dim snow]

You’re nothing but a shill.

[night lark]

Maybe you should encourage them to build spawns and defend so it lasts more than 20mins

[feral vine]

You just stay in your Lil clan bubble and not worry about what im doing. Glad you found a like minded group of turds to roll with

[hazy owl]

It's actually not fun for anyone

[slate canopy]

I think you should just block him and ignore him, you aren't exactly being super nice.

[feral vine]

I dont block people, thats cowardice

[night lark]

Ah well. No point in wasting time with someone like you. If you dont like community servers stick to officials ones i guess

[feral vine]

Gladly, stay in yours and ill stay in mine

Jk the game doesnt work :/

[frail heart]

I think the devs should do a live stream this week so they can tell us exactly what's going on. Stick it in their work schedule.

[night lark]

I just dont get the saltiness against people in clans and communities though. You definitely get clans thats are toxic but its really not that hard to defend and build spawns and make the game last more than 20 mins

[sturdy bridge]

Still no horse?

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-alert-horse-horse-alert-gif-10675569724654458517

[frail heart]

Not ben or Greg passing word on we want the devs facing upto there own mistakes and telling us on person how they plan to fix this.

BTW nothing against Ben or Greg they are just the messengers

[dusty bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179085355681595474/1406844456912556052/attachment.gif

me when the hotfix didnt fix anything

at least for crashing

[frail heart]

And player disconnects

[night lark]

Some sort of explanation and transparency would go a long way

[shut knot]

How can i change my username in hll

[night lark]

Steam name

[urban shale]

Nah steam rolls are never fun, not winning or losing

[obtuse dragon]

Totally, literally a lose lose even if you win the match

Like, you don't get a lot of exp when you make the enemy team bite the curb, at Max you'll get like 700 class Exp on a match that ends quickly

[dusty bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900868714814132284/1430339646147133580/image.png?ex=68f96b1a&is=68f8199a&hm=46b4bd1e34d331519c795956857886c11cb007e75a83b9ba31d0923e5feb86ec&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

Latest update doing numbers!! 🔥

[mortal raft]

whew.... ain't seen numbers that low since 2021

[urban shale]

Fixing servers crashing 🤣

[dusty bolt]

By not killing their own game

[wintry vapor]

How to do that

[dusty zealot]

👀 dev/qa servers

[dusty bolt]

WHAT! No way!

[dusty zealot]

Shooketh

[ashen falcon]

Congrats t17, they released a Hotfix that fixed NOTHING, servers keep crashing

How could they be so irresponsible ? Where's the quality control before releasing an update?

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-gif-26436697

[shy relic]

How is it fun a match that’s meant to last 90 minutes lasts 15 minutes and I shoot my gun like twice how is that fun?

[past vortex]

sooo... did anyone test the panther?

[austere ivy]

Honestly, even on the winning team it's not fun just steam rolling. I have had way more fun fighting a over a middle point going back and forth than steam rolling someone. It's so much more rewarding to win by having better strategy than the other team just being noobs.

[warm violet]

Can't stand how people are already singing Christmas songs. It's not even November! What ever happened to radio stations only playing Christmas music after Thanksgiving? We used to be a proper nation...

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[charred anvil]

Fix your game.

[cerulean iris]

yeah the game may not be stable but at least they fixed the panther

[frank magnet]

Are the servers up?

[lavish kernel]

depends on what your definition of "up" is. They are allowing you to connect ot a game, play for about 25 mins and then the server crashes

its pretty incredible that this "update" was allowed to be published with this amount of game breaking issues, and there was absolutely ZERO fallback plan right after you announce a new title in the franchise. thats a BOLD marketing strategy.

[static rivet]

Downloaded latest hot update, now I have connection issues on my PS5, I’m able to join all other multiplayer games, no issues. I missed a DMT match tonight because of the update.

[winter rover]

flyable planes when?

[hexed jetty]

tomorrow

[little otter]

@winter rover U19 you'll have to create a P51 one-man squad for commander to use strafe. 3-man squad for bombing run.

[jolly seal]

Amongst tons of the fan base that plays again and again never wanted this update. It makes the game less realistic even if the server stability issues weren’t present. We all knew it was gonna be a major issue. We just wanted the game left alone. Add small details like enemy supply ping and enemy airhead. Not an entire tank re work.

[silk current]

You know when you're playing commander and you call a bombing run or artillery strike on a enemy position but then a friendly walks into it and you get kicked for team killing?

[urban shale]

Honestly as long as i got to control and fly the P51, wouldnt be that mad 🤣

[little otter]

When command is trying to kill the recon squad blocking the garry but you can actually see he is 14m off to the right and you correct. 😄

[silk current]

Like, its possible to get kicked for TK on a map attack??

[analog apex]

all TKs are regarded the same, no matter who or how they were commited

[silk current]

Commander does a bomb run, some dumbass walks into it, punishes commander, commanders kicked

[analog apex]

yup

[silk current]

Ppl also just vote kick you for no reason when you're commander lol, like, that happened TWICE and I still don't even know why it happens.

[analog apex]

but the CMD needs to be aware of the map and where his teammates are, and send it to the target location only if he believes he can't TK any many peeps or none

[little otter]

Vote kick can be brutal in pubs.

[analog apex]

and he needs to know the quality of the SLs in the team - if he knows they don't talk, they only hardly can warn their squadmates about a bombing run. So no reason to send a bombing run into area where there are multiple friendlies nearby.

needs to watch if the friendlies have been sitting or moving towards the intended area of bombing

etc. etc.

If there is a mass TK done by bombing, it's usually the Commander's fault - due his lack of situational & map awareness, and knowledge of his team.
Simply put... due lack of his skill for the CMD role. If he is not stupid and pays attention, the chances of TKing enough friendlies for an autoKick are remote.

[little otter]

I don't use bombing run
as Commander unless I have compliant squads. Waste of munitions otherwise.

[analog apex]

I do use it even then... if I see enough of friendlies are around a targetted strongpoint, struggling with getting in due to enemy presence - to give them a chance to get in, potentially destroying an enemy garri too.

[idle musk]

Some poor dudes has to wait 20min for 15sec playtime?

[past veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1430458800749412392/attachment.gif

[tropic oar]

why this game doesnt have the reconnect function? Its literally one of the easiest solutions to contemporary games problem. Every other game have it. Even F2P titles have it, its really simple to code, but probably overwhelmingly hard for TEAM 17 lol

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[worthy charm]

People to this day underestimate how bad hll Code is.

[tropic oar]

14 yrs old russian can code reconnect function into game

[tropic oar]

its really bad game, worst invested 20e ever

the TEAM 17 should fire not even his manager but most devs and QA department

[past veldt]

https://i.imgflip.com/a9u5dy.gif

[worthy charm]

Oh cmon

[tropic oar]

maybe they sohuld go back to Worms

[worthy charm]

How many do you have 😂

[past veldt]

Depends how slow my laptop is at work

https://i.imgflip.com/a9u5xg.gif

[cyan saddle]

The AWS outage has been resolved you know

You can go back to work now

[topaz cape]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/job-no-this-is-my-gif-20311997

Critical be like

[past veldt]

I was furious to find I was unaffected

[cyan saddle]

Oh no poor soul

[finite berry]

You can't fire QA if there is no QA to begin with

[tropic oar]

oh true dat xD

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-problems-chapelle-modern-solutions-gif-15497728

[worthy charm]

We have to make them hire you as QA!

Then we can all cry for you to be fired after U19

[covert elbow]

They’d have to get me a PC that runs it first

[covert elbow]

You really think there will be a QA for U19?

[worthy charm]

I heard rumors the get you a gaming PC

xD

[covert elbow]

Where???

And from who???

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/rainn-wilson-shh-secret-prank-gif-17131726

[covert elbow]

I’m assuming it was Elise

[worthy charm]

It wasnt, regardless of that!

@finite berry what do you have to say to that?

[finite berry]

I didn't :)

[wind shore]

@worthy charm

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-cat-smile-cute-kitty-gif-5058119688631425935

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/stryker-gif-26004885

[past veldt]

https://i.imgflip.com/a9ub0q.gif

[fluid pawn]

Morning folks

[past veldt]

Morning Ben

[fluid pawn]

Thank you so far to everyone that has currently added info to the #1430214896259436665. It means a lot

Team are going through the data from overnight and I'll hopefully have a bit more info later today

[fluid pawn]

sup dude

[past veldt]

Beatings will continue until morale improves

[fluid pawn]

And as the CM, I am the willing sacrifice of those beatings

Hopefully I can also be the one to give out good news soon though

[haughty geode]

U19 gets delayed until U18 is fixed?

[past veldt]

I hope you don't take it all too personally

Or

Paid enough for a good therapist

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-tony-dr-doctor-melfi-gif-5709045615010262784

[fluid pawn]

Don't worry, I don't take it personally

-# *hide the tears Ben..... 😅 *

[fluid pawn]

the #mess-hall is my therapist

[fluid pawn]

No confirmation on this, however I can say our priority at this moment is making sure U18 is sorted

[haughty geode]

Thats good to hear. Sadly HLL is unplayable for me and many other people in the past week, please fix that. Keep the legacy of HLL in honor

[fluid pawn]

I completely understand that. We want the game to be in it's best state and know that it isn't rn. The team is working overtime to try get the issues sorted and hopefully I'll have updates for you soon on the progress 🙏

But yeah what I can say is that we can see the community comments about U18 and the fact that U19 is meant to be coming soon, and we agree with what your saying. Fixing U18 is the priority

[haughty geode]

Yes, thanks for your effort!!

[worldly mountain]

It wouldn't be a good move to release U19 while U18 is still causing problems. I think that would lead to anarchy.

[haughty geode]

HLL is such a great game, please, you can do it, I believe in you. Keep HLL unique. You have a great game which is loved by its community. We all want a good experience in the game which is HLL worthy. And you can do that!

[fluid pawn]

110%

[haughty geode]

Yes, a new map is good, but not really worth it if the game isnt working

[worthy charm]

Thats proof of Ben going insane.

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-insane-asylum-rubber-room-snailpo-rosetoy-gif-16450185003739944321

[covert elbow]

“Bearings will continue until the crashing ceases”

[fluid pawn]

bearing

bear

BEARS?!

https://tenor.com/view/wave-gif-18119452

(yeah I'm going insane.... halp)

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/bearishaf-bearish-bearish-af-teddy-bear-cute-gif-2842270670209693216

I’ll be CM if you retire

I’d be perfect for the job

If someone says theres an issue with the update I’ll just send them picture of their mailbox

[haughty geode]

Indeed

[sturdy quarry]

does U19 add rideable bears?

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goodness-what-an-idea-why-didnt-i-facepalm-the-simpsons-gif-17489109

[covert elbow]

If you need more ideas let me know

I have a ton on how to fix the game as well

First step, more micro transactions

Who needs server stability when you can have more DLC

[analog apex]

Keep the legacy of HLL in honor
I think it's a little bit late for "keeping" because that's been gone for some time now. Today it's more about "returning".

[haughty geode]

Fair

Less DLC, less casualization, more HLL again!!

[covert elbow]

What we need to return to is the ocean

Kriegsmarine and US navy uniform DLC when

You know you want to give it to us T17

Yummy yummy DLC slop please

I’ll pay $10 for each. No, $20 for each

[analog apex]

yep, and a good start would be discarding the 2 newest ideas (ADS FOV and killScreen)

and if armor overhaul, then closer to SQ44's one

[covert elbow]

Along with the tank philosophy and the Technixisn loadout

Give those buikdables to a tank specific engineer loadout

[gaunt cedar]

Hey @fluid pawn have you considered using an @everyone ping instead of HLL news for the next hotfix? The amount of people with the HLL news role is quite low and we have lost a lot of players to this update and the last communication they’ve had if they don’t have the HLL news role is Greg’s update.

[analog apex]

I agree... U18 is so broken all the people need to know about the steps taken.

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[covert elbow]

It’s weird to because they changed/ added so much to U18 that another PTE was basically required to address them all

Technician being my standout

[analog apex]

yeah a thing I still don't get - why there wasn't any PTE for those

[covert elbow]

They completely hanged it from test to live

[analog apex]

what test 😄

[covert elbow]

This should have just been the tank update with some QOL stuff like support boxes and UI icons. Technician and commander arty should have stayed in testing

[covert elbow]

The PTE with tinkerer

[analog apex]

yeah we didn't even see that one, but that's maybe for the better... the tinkerer was a bad idea straightforward

[covert elbow]

Technician is as well

[haughty geode]

Yes

[covert elbow]

Making tanks even more dependent like that isn’t a good idea

[analog apex]

It's OK... if only thing he could do is the camo.

[covert elbow]

Even then I think it’s bad

[analog apex]

but building repair station or ammo depot is something that should have been an Engineer's job only

[covert elbow]

Engineer should get a repair station and ammo depot in the 3rd loadout instead

[analog apex]

I would say it would be just fine for the 1st/builder loadout

[covert elbow]

Still baffles me that they can also build walls

Like why tf would tank crewmen need to build walls???

[analog apex]

yeah, that's like another wtf moment

[covert elbow]

And why should they be able to

It’s just such a weird inclusion

[analog apex]

yeah, camo is the only thing they should have been able to do. And for that, they shouldn't have needed any new loadout. Just a simple new "F" action on the vehicle that would be doable only in the HQ spawn area.

[covert elbow]

Ngl an overhaul to the barracks where you can select different squads and have them pose would be great

Like imagine the practice range select screen for factions, and from there you can go into a little role select screen where you choose witch squad type you want to look at and tanker crews have your selected vehicle at the ready so you can apply camos

[analog apex]

...after they fix the colour-changing eyes on the other players that are able to look on us even sideways, having the white of the eye in front 😄

[fluid pawn]

Will do 🫡

[analog apex]

about practice range(/EXPLORE), still waiting for the CMD role to be usable there. And also teamSwitching functionality.

[covert elbow]

Not to mention 8th army and Africa corps

[analog apex]

right!

[covert elbow]

At least they finally unlocked all loadouts

[analog apex]

I haven't noticed... was on max with everything for too long already 😄

[bold gale]

Panzer IV medium tank

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-27483410

[haughty geode]

So I can explore the maps now as a German?

[covert elbow]

No

[night lark]

Might be to simulate digging a tank into a pit?

Like you know how your engineering vehicle with a shovel at the front will dig in a trench so on the turret is visible kinda thing? Idk though

[vale garnet]

Have T17 won the kill your own game speedrun?

[analog apex]

not yet, but they are relentlessly working on it xD

maybe next month...

[lime umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/effy-gif-11375717773991506810

[sturdy quarry]

yeah i think of it as building defences to go "hull down" when you want to use the tank as a static cannon

[earnest zealot]

Has there been any mention of them fixing the broken career achievements?

[vale garnet]

I think that’s the last thing they will be working on right now 😂

[earnest zealot]

Fair enough, has been completely broken for months so worth an ask 🤣

[frail heart]

Basically

[real parrot]

Nah you all have no idea is meant for competitive players to build a pair and use them to elevate the tank to shoot above bushes

[past veldt]

Only bad tanks do this

[real parrot]

I like to sit on top of the main cannon while having the tank Next to a bush and have the gunner point the gun upwards so I can scout, also to have an elevated position to shoot people

[past veldt]

Any tank crew which turtles up is a bad crew

[sturdy quarry]

yeah but i think its fine a game gives you options

it hardly ever makes sense to try and use molotov but i will still fumble throw the jar 12cms if there is a chance of burning someone

[haughty geode]

First finish what we already have

[worthy charm]

True, where are my AA tanks?

[haughty geode]

And please, no one cares about Slomensk when we dont have a working game

[haughty geode]

This here

They should not only fix the critical issues

[civic dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-band-music-violin-gif-16582632

[worthy charm]

I want Ben to hold me at the bow.

[azure ether]

HORSE

Hey devs when can we get horse?

[worthy charm]

In HLL WW1

:}

[azure ether]

When

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/never-alfred-batman-gif-26337878

[fringe hollow]

when us few gullible shmucks buy the 6th newest game from T17 trying to expand HLL (no one)

[jovial geode]

What about tank destroyers?

[worthy charm]

Naaah, hard to get correct imo

AA tanks are also more of a joke tbh

[haughty geode]

Just make the game less casual again. Do not add any more skins. Fix the technical issues the game has. Rework aspects of the game properly.

[worthy charm]

The game was casual after like U8

[fringe hollow]

Less casual means more niche which in turn also means less income

[worthy charm]

Many of the original backers didnt like the full release U10

[finite berry]

Won't happen

[past veldt]

https://i.imgflip.com/a9utpi.gif

[finite berry]

Exactly

[worthy charm]

If you want a less casual HLL play S44

or enlisted

[haughty geode]

Yep, and thats ok. But it should get not too casual (looking at the new death screen and non verbal comms)

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[haughty geode]

How many people demanded a new death screen or useless DLC?

[worthy charm]

I mean many people cry about this game not being realistic and just want to make it S44...

[finite berry]

It's irrelevant how many want it, only how many buy it matters

[worthy charm]

If you want S44 why make HLL into S44 if there already is S44?

[haughty geode]

Thats the point, the newer ones arent even that bought at high numbers

[haughty geode]

I do not want HLL to be S44. I just want that HLL doesnt get too casual

[worthy charm]

The new death screen doesnt change anything and the DLCs are like... dont buy them if you dont like em?
I wouldnt spend my own money either, except maybe on the tank DLCs.

[past veldt]

SQ44 fans must be buzzing right now as HLL is nearing their preferred playercount of 12

[worthy charm]

I dont mean you specifically... just overall a few people here.

[haughty geode]

No one cares who killed them. And a game calling itself somewhat realistic shouldnt have that high amount of uniforms or some of them that are featured in HLL yet make no sense from a historical perspective

[finite berry]

"No one cares who killed them", the spam of "wkm" proves you wrong

[worthy charm]

Every server I play on has !wkm or !pling for getting to know who killed you. Its an easy QoL improvement and they did it well imo.

[finite berry]

Precisely. It's absolutely logical T17 added it

[haughty geode]

Yea, no, they could have just kept the black death screen with that added info

No one asked for this transparent screen

[worthy charm]

What should I say to that... 😅
If thats your opinion.

[night lark]

Oh bro the mute players was a problem since first free weekend

[worthy charm]

Honestly not the new one is a problem imo but the screen itself.

[haughty geode]

Yea, but encouraging that by implementing non verbal comms,... I dont know

[worthy charm]

Why do I have to wait 10s, press a buttom and then get into a screen where I have to wait again.

BF did that better 15 years ago

[haughty geode]

Because its not BF where you get into the battle again after few seconds...

[worthy charm]

Its the same in HLL? What I mean the 10s you have to wait on the death screen could just as well be a spawnlock on the respawn screen.

[fringe hollow]

I mean he has a point. We ARE already waiting for garrisons. But I guess the math nerds of comp would cry over their overanalyzing being changed again

[worthy charm]

I dont die as often so I dont really care, just saying. 😎

[haughty geode]

Maybe

[night lark]

So much agro towards comp players

[fringe hollow]

it's been deep seated from past experience. No jabs at anyone in particular. Just the other toxic ones

[frail heart]

Comp keeps the game alive prove me wrong

[worthy charm]

They dont

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[fringe hollow]

this game in particular? Yeah I'd say. If comp didn't recruit new players to stay long than "that was a fun game, next big hit!" we would have less players

[sturdy quarry]

i have watched where the enemy is in the blurred background of the new kill screen and called out to my squad where the person is, allowing them to kill the enemy

with the previous black screen calling out this info was not possible