mess-hall

[main harness]

there are plenty of very experienced people who could have been involved in reworking armour to make it fun and balanced for all. None of them were so we have this mess.

[nova oracle]

I’d avoid those milsim clans if you wanted to get into comp though

[main harness]

A few dev Q&As ago one of the devs said their favourite role was tank driver. Does anyone remember which one that was?

[nova oracle]

Tank driving is tank dependent

Stalling in a Tiger on a sharp turn isn’t fun

[main harness]

Yeah. Which tank you are driving depends on how long you can play the game before crashing out after stalling on a random bump

Currently the only way to actually turn a heavy tank is to shift into 1st, because it stalls in every other gear.

[nova oracle]

Going 40 in a Tiger
Feels more like 10

They butchered the panther too

[hallow shard]

And I think that equally could have been certain casual and certain comp players.

They may not agree on everything but there's definatly a level of players who have put many hours into the game recognise that comp and casual exists

[wind shore]

Panther 🐸

[main harness]

Looking forward to the comms later today about how they are aware of some issues and will be sure to address them. Im guessing lots of vague waffle and no actual suggestions or clear path to a fix.

Like a politican does at campaign rallies

[nova oracle]

Unfortunately Milsims Exist too

People ask where I’ve been? Crushing the French on Holdfast

[hallow shard]

They look to be very very limited though.

[nova oracle]

Crushing French clans

[worthy charm]

Stuart better honstly... I dont know in which situation driving 35 kmh and killing a heavy with 3 AP shells could be outperformed by a recon.

[nova oracle]

We’ve driven them out that’s why

[main harness]

Whats that, tank shell loadouts are inbalanced? I dunno... why don't we make it so you can divide the shells as you want in HQ?.. There you go, I just fixed it and it took 30s to come up with that idea.

[worthy charm]

Also you can tank a heavy shot if they are bad enough to hit your turret

[nova oracle]

I’ve killed a Stuart in 2 AP

In a Puma

[hallow shard]

I can't say me personally miss them. But that's my own opinion

[nova oracle]

They take the game way too seriously

[main harness]

HLL is not a milsim game... At best it is milsim lite

[nova oracle]

It’s an arcade with tacked on gimmick

The OPs are just battlefield recon kit

[hallow shard]

Whixh has a nice balance for most of us

[nova oracle]

It’s still better than battlefield

[finite berry]

It's more like a hardcore Battlefield

[nova oracle]

True

[main harness]

Same thing

Can we talk about how great the nodes system is and how much we are looking forward to it in vietnam

[frail heart]

@fluid pawn Welcome home, hope you have some good news for all us server owners also ❤️

[analog apex]

Not even that by far.

[cold kiln]

And here we are at day 10 of silence from T17

[main harness]

I think the hotfix is for the server crashes... Not the client side crashes which I'm fairly sure are the majority?

[tribal moon]

'coldfix'

[neat urchin]

Hey @fluid pawn how was vacation. hotfix today?

[sturdy quarry]

colditz castle map confirmed

[tribal moon]

How you get annual leave approved during a product release is OP 😄

[analog apex]

Server kicked out peeps more times than the client crashed. But indeed the client crashes need to be fixed too as they are frequent enough as well.

About the fatal error client crashes - I was reporting it since U17, but they were seemingly not touched and so now with U18 got even worse sadly...

[lone stump]

shoot in in the booty with one he

[echo walrus]

10 days since the last update, endless player and server crashes, there are 5 people from Team17 online on Discord right now and no one says a word. No news about a hotfix, nothing.

This company is a disgrace, and our community manager somehow manages to be even worse.

[fringe hollow]

Did I see that right? What I've been saying about comp players gatekeeping exploits and information is true and no one believed me?

[neat urchin]

Must be PC comp not console comp

[fringe hollow]

it's always PC comp. anything competitive on PC is sometimes and more often leagues worse when it comes to actually being a community to help new players. Anything for an advantage I guess

[urban shale]

Hard at work doing what exactly? Making more issues they are gonna roll out as a "fix"?

[grizzled kiln]

If you have an Nvidia GPU , switch from DX12 to DX11 and it will help with the crashes ( and also with stuttering).

[nova pivot]

Where hotfix

[analog apex]

Not true.

For both.

For a few lucky... maybe. Tops.

[worthy charm]

Worked for me... 😅

[past veldt]

Of course competitive players gatekeep exploits?

I don't want the opposition team to use it

Like when airheads were free while encouraged was active. Why would I tell the world about this 🫂

[wind shore]

Wait what

[river rover]

Get the latest driver too it's only days old and the previous version was crashing systems in general. I got a BSOD with it and haven't had one in years. I wasn't gaming though. 😉

[analog apex]

As I said... the few lucky 😏 .

[wind shore]

Were some news today?

[analog apex]

Nope.

[fringe hollow]

Comp really does fracture communities. At least IMO

large scale teams at least.

The comp scene look at new players like garbage, don't really help them out, and then farm them in public matches.

Not all but it's surprising the amount of people who do

[past veldt]

It's hard to help new players when you have a split between people who want to roleplay and people who want to actually win games

[wind shore]

No PTE today?

[tribal moon]

Comp members stacking a team out to roll newb team, is best i've seen so far must be such a enjoyable experience lol

[analog apex]

I dislike comp players as most of them indeed use or abuse everything they know, just so they get an advantage. Camping despite they don't need to, hiding on top of hedgerows or roofs... Spawncamping...

[past veldt]

The RPers are so loud that people start playing this game thinking it's a really complex milsim when the reality is just... Not that

[lone stump]

nomic jimmies being comfortable to be rolled in 10 mins without a single garrison on the map those are the poor little ones we should care about?

[fringe hollow]

I would rather people think milsim when joining. More communication based players.

If you milsim no-comm there is a mental deficit

[fringe hollow]

The ones who weren't told anything else and need to learn from other pub matches of the exact same thing?

[tribal moon]

maybe the lack of comms is just built into the game lol

[past vortex]

a lot of people play the game who cant be helped at all

[fringe hollow]

Garrisons are player built but it's never told unless you look for the information like a smart person or someone says so.

[fringe hollow]

feels like it

[past vortex]

game is so bad if you dont use comms, i cant understand why anyone would play that, there is so much better stuff for that

yet there they are.... and not in small numbers

[wind shore]

got the inspiration of the Dev team

[past veldt]

To be fair, the game is pretty forgiving. Good HLL players are usually not good FPS players

I'm usually top of a pub lobby for kills but I'm a terrible FPS player

[fringe hollow]

cod playstyle works well in any shooter. run and gun and then bask in your kills like it's the soul point of the game

only works if you can't think correctly for yourself though

[past vortex]

most of those dont even get kills

[past veldt]

Avg kills in a pub game was something like 24 kills per game

[grizzled kiln]

It works. Have helped several people.

[fringe hollow]

wow those new players must really be bringing the 275 kill matches down for some people

[meager timber]

comp-casual-split happens in every game though. back in the day when community servers were a thing in cs people who played clanbase, esl etc. used to go to community servers and dominate. usually they got banned tho because people claimed cheats

[past vortex]

not for everyone tho

[grizzled kiln]

Did not say that

[thin lotus]

HLL bads still vilifying players who get kills in what is the easiest FPS to score kills in

[past vortex]

not true anymore

[analog apex]

As it didnt to plenty other people :/

[fringe hollow]

I would expect people to be considerate of the players who aren't treating every match like training and fighting like their life depends on it though..

[past vortex]

maybe play again at some time ?

[grizzled kiln]

HLL is too stuttery and inconsistent to be a good FPS. So if you're good at say CS2, it does not just translate over.

[wind shore]

Would be some news today

[meager timber]

I think it's just human nature to go flex on the noobs

But yeah agree

[thin lotus]

nothing has changed with infantry. HLL is still the easiest FPS

[past vortex]

scoring changed

[fringe hollow]

I mean it doesn't really make you look good, just makes you look like a sealclubber

[thin lotus]

idc about score, it's about effort.

[past vortex]

why say that then

[meager timber]

True. But so many good gamers have an inflated ego already. It's about dominance and ego lol. Always has been

[past vortex]

oh wait i misread, sorry

[thin lotus]

they can make one medic revive worth 1M points for all I care. Score doesn't mean anything. It's made up

[lone stump]

I run k98 every match so no flexing

[night lark]

Not sure i get the logic here. You gain score by doing things. If you dont have a score you arent doing things

[analog apex]

Meanwhile... ATs don't get any for a tank unless they deal the final blow.

[past vortex]

you mean those filthy causuals?

[fringe hollow]

that's... a reasonable and interesting restriction

[past vortex]

wdym, they spawn walk die at the frontdoor 100s of time

[fringe hollow]

Yep. I see myself as an in between. I try learning from my games but I don't like the sweaty nature of comp

[finite berry]

Based

[fringe hollow]

I would rather a dude with zero combat and support and calling out every single thing he sees than a guy "doing things" and lets the enemy tank just roam behind us without a word, so no one knows it even there.

[haughty geode]

HLL is cooked it seems like

[fringe hollow]

Score means you're doing physical things but doesn't instantly mean you're doing anything helpful for the team

[worthy charm]

I think what you mean is burned or maybe even chared by now.

[lone stump]

the fov sniping is something unreal for sure

[hallow shard]

Gonna make a new clan called "cooked", who's with me. The true nature of HLL is to begin

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-cooked-hes-cooked-you're-cooked-ur-cooked-gif-16603214519610947661

[night lark]

The people doing things are the ones that call stuff out. Like there really isnt a correlation between high scores and not making calls. The other deduction you can make is the one with the score is actually taking out the tank or garrison

[prime sonnet]

@fluid pawn update?

[sleek edge]

What time is this hotfix supposed to drop?

[night lark]

I cant think of any metric that you get score for that isnt useful

[shy relic]

There is a hotfix?

[prime sonnet]

Allegedly today but no one is saying anything

[cold sequoia]

stop using the word HOT

[prime sonnet]

Ben said over a hour ago he will be making a statement

[sleek edge]

According to the telegrams, yea its supposed to fix all the problems on the console side

[fringe hollow]

Offense and defense score in the middle of nowhere, near nothing, without a goal in mind aside "attack that locked point"

[sleek edge]

Last name wouldn't happen to be Dover would it?

[prime sonnet]

That’s his last name. Ben is the middle name. First name is hell let loose community

[night lark]

You dont get offense and defense score from being in the locked zones

[haughty geode]

Game is cooked, just move on

[finite berry]

I'll be laughing my as s off if they announce the hotfix to drop next week

[fringe hollow]

Heading to locked zones* My bad I wasn't very exact with words

[analog apex]

You do.

[prime sonnet]

Never this is the 🐐 of games (community wise)

[sleek edge]

Smack dab in the middle of our comp season.

[haughty geode]

These times are long over

[analog apex]

Or did they change it without announcing? @night lark

[fringe hollow]

I'm also not saying score is USELESS but I don't look at score, I listen for the comms of the guy saying he killed the tank.

[night lark]

Oh apparently you do. Still, if thats your ONE thing then the argument “hIgh scOrE iS uSelEsS” still doesnt hold water because combat effectiveness exists

[prime sonnet]

10 divisions in TPL i’m pretty sure. Games far from dead. Just a few silly decisions

[night lark]

Nah had to google it. Its all enemy territory. I just thought it was active sectors

[sleek edge]

9*

[shy relic]

So probably not today

[neat urchin]

[prime sonnet]

Community manager statement is pending

[haughty geode]

Yea, but these silly decisions are killing the game

[finite berry]

Not really. Those that are are getting fixed soon

[grizzled kiln]

Stop using the word fix 😄

[finite berry]

No need to doom

[thin lotus]

stop using words

[prime sonnet]

Damage limitation

[fringe hollow]

As an infantry main, fix tanks so everyone else stops complaining please 🙏

[night lark]

Think folks are putting to much value into marking stuff and not enough value into actually dealing with the mark. Would explain why so many enemy garrisons stay marked and active lol

[haughty geode]

Good Joke XDD

[sleek edge]

Half assed patch job

[prime sonnet]

I would argue people just forget to remove markers

[fringe hollow]

I always feel like the only one on my team going after marks, this isn't far from the truth

You would think the AT players would foam at the mouth to get at a tank

[past vortex]

thats the SLs who dont mirror it or at least tell their squad (if the sqaud even listens)

[past vortex]

sometimes it really stays up despite a mark

[fringe hollow]

Another thing, more SLs with knowledge who have open squads but kick no-comms. Not enough of these and those left have waning patience

[prime sonnet]

More mic only servers would help i’m p sure only dawg impliment that and not heavily i’m sure the pc side have loads

[sleek edge]

A lot more servers impliment that

[past vortex]

im lucky with that... the majority of german servers is mic only

[night lark]

This used to be me. Id happily SL for anyone as long as they did stuff. Id even accept guys typing in squad chat. But yeah, patience is running very thin just now with how the games going

[fringe hollow]

PC usually only demands leadership roles have mic, and this isn't always enforced since it's not always reported, the whole squad being no-comm an all

[past vortex]

wonder why others dont do that

[past vortex]

the mere requirement helps a lot

[fringe hollow]

i'd like to think. Some server's admins actively join squads and call out to the SL to see if they have a mic. Not a common thing but it helps

[past vortex]

some servers do that daily

[fringe hollow]

NEWS BOYS

[night lark]

Think if younstarted to really be strict with mic requirements youd end up losing a lot of players because they dont have the right mindset to be frank.

Squad is very strict with comms and if even take a role thats important like heavy anti tank and dont have comms its 50/50 you get booted from the game. Non mic SLs get removed pretty quick too. Thats the culture there. You dont have that in HLL because its more casual

[wind shore]

again, next week

[urban shale]

Oh yay, a telegram with an excuse to push the fix even further back 🤣

[fringe hollow]

Less casual but not hardcore HLL my beloved

[past vortex]

@fluid pawn nothing about the client crashes ?????????????????????????????????

[fringe hollow]

The intern can only code so fast man.

[thin lotus]

hotfix "1"
lol @ hll

[gilded spade]

read the article

[inner tartan]

Lool what a sad patch preview. disapointing but entirely expected.

[meager timber]

Thank God they are not reverting the ADS FOV

[fluid pawn]

As mentioned in the telegram and CL, this is something we are aware of, and are working hard on. Please continue to share with the support team any specific issues

[fringe hollow]

I think small and multiple fixes to make sure nothing else breaks is a great idea instead of "fixing" everything at once and breaking 4 other things

[cosmic pilot]

I hate all of you

[fringe hollow]

Awww I hate you too ❤️

[cosmic pilot]

Every single last one of you

[past vortex]

yea it says "nothing"

[urban shale]

Yeah im sure we will see you say the same thing next week 🤣

[nova pivot]

What about the bug in which Pavlov's house is not Pavlov's house?🥺

[cosmic pilot]

Removing the ability for the arty strike to destroy garrisons was a mistake and the devs will live to regret it

[past vortex]

at least they fixed kedos kubanka ribbon, so theres that

[nova pivot]

I'm honestly surprised they fixed that.

[past vortex]

:D

[wind shore]

what a joke

[fringe hollow]

The artillery ability wasn't even in the game a month ago and it was perfectly fine. They added it and all the high levels were sniping garrisons in pubs and rolling. It needed to go. Great idea, poor execution mostly due to how people play the game

[haughty geode]

Yea cool, Cossack hat fixed... How about we fix the game in its entirety and dont lay a focus on DLC??

[haughty geode]

Wow nice, best thing from the hotfix

[nova pivot]

But but... I like spending money in virtual clothes

[fringe hollow]

Do you also play organize games in a messy room?

[analog apex]

What about this @fluid pawn ? Everybody can be a sniper withe the FOV not being restricted on the correct side of the new ADS FOV slider... #1425919813129076788

Will it be fixed/removed?

[nova pivot]

No, I just like looking good

[cosmic pilot]

Player hq arty used to be able to destroy garrisons but was removed.
The only reason it was a problem was because artillery was 100% accurate. Which BM fixed by adding dispersion.

[fringe hollow]

that's reasonable

[past vortex]

why do you feel arty needs to take out garries

[pine timber]

nice

[fringe hollow]

Yes but the way that the ability worked now, if you knew the rough area of a garry, it was just gone. The spread did nothing when it lasted too long.

[cosmic pilot]

I explained this in my feedback thread

[fringe hollow]

This compounded when everyone who knew the common spots kept just spamming them there and removing all the garrisons

[fringe hollow]

now i gotta find it again because I don't remember what all was said, too many suggestions

[past vortex]

anyway none of that was gamebreaking, the client crashes are

[cunning girder]

told ya nerds hotfix will be today 👅

[sleek edge]

When it comes down to it, I feel bad for the developers when it comes to the state that update left the game in, they're catching all the flak when usually its due to unrealistic time tables set by publishers to appease investors. Not the poor bastards pulling all nighters writing code and pounding caffeine.

[fluid pawn]

FOV is something the team are aware of and are looking into. Will share info once I have it 🙂

[obtuse dragon]

I KNEW IT

[fluid pawn]

Server-side fix has already gone out and work on client-side is ongoing dw

[obtuse dragon]

I think it's obvius that next week we'll get the Mortars Nerf and the panther fix

[past vortex]

there is also no scorebard fix btw :D

[obtuse dragon]

Never seen that one before

[past vortex]

should be brought up much more often

[wind shore]

Hi, Ben! Can I ask please, would be PTE U19 ? If it would be , when it could be

Cause next week it is the last weekend of October, next comes November and release

[rare finch]

Where can I send videos of bugs

[cosmic pilot]

Primarily, it exposes the long-standing flaw within the meta that garrisons are limited to be too far apart.
Garrisons should have an exclusion radius of 150m and a team wide limit of 10 instead of 8.
Arty destroying garrisons exposes the inflated significance of destroying garrisons and the predictability of their placement. > Reducing the exclusion radius means there's more places to put garrisons and losing one garrison has a smaller impact on the flow of combat.

[rare finch]

Hurtegen forest is unplayable, you can’t cross the water efficiently. Took me 10 minutes to cross in a panther, I can send the clip of what is happening in Your DM’s.

[fleet jacinth]

Aww boo, they're keeping the crap death screen

[fluid pawn]

Issues with armor collision issues are being addressed in the hotfix 🫡

[worldly mountain]

If the server-side fix was implemented last night, the game should be working again without numerous “Lost connection to host” messages, or am I mistaken?

[hallow shard]

Ben first day back from holiday and getting grilled

[past vortex]

the new ui windows are a step back btw, they no longer stack :D

[fluid pawn]

Who doesn't love a BBQ

[hallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/grilling-bbq-party-ribs-grill-master-gif-12237920

[fringe hollow]

The life of a community manager

[fluid pawn]

I love it here

[cold sequoia]

they light the grill

[meager timber]

Servers have to apply the hotfix if I'm not mistaken

[wind shore]

Ben, no news on U19 PTE?(

[rare finch]

When is pacific out?

[fringe hollow]

blink twice and then once if they are torturing you

[wind shore]

I see Kubanka hat got fixed

[languid zephyr]

You know you can just kill it with a HE round from behind 🧠

[hallow shard]

blinks furiously

[fluid pawn]

to my knowledge yes, however if you are having issues still, I'd recomend contacting the support team and sharing any specific crashes you get so that they can ensure it's being addressed https://support.team17.com/hell-let-loose/en/

[worldly mountain]

As far as I know, this was done last night on our server after a complete crash.

[hallow shard]

Game going to be fixed for me returning from my holidays

[fluid pawn]

Nothing yet Kedo. I'm on hotfix stuff today 🫡 Will update when I have that info dw

[wind shore]

Why not to fix it, it’s also included in changelog

[past vortex]

how can you afford such a long holiday (into the next year)

[wind shore]

Thanks! I hope it would be PTE

And wouldn’t be cancelled

[hallow shard]

Have faith my friend. Everything always works out for me

[fringe hollow]

People would rather the game plays first before we admire cosmetics

[smoky surge]

@hallow shard you have a habit of joining every HLL team. Join T17 next

[bold rivet]

The disconnects / lost conn to host iis now gone then right?

[fringe hollow]

I think cosmetics are great as long as they are realistic. Everyone saying "fortnite" are just parrots without wings.

[hallow shard]

If I joined T17 I would create true harmony.

All clans would support me even if they don't not know me

I'm already all powerful and HLL's shadow Orga.

The next step is coming

[fringe hollow]

Not that hard to get support when you listen BEFORE changing things.

[ebon socket]

Ayo pls reconsider allies hull health with the new AT gun buff. It will be the only tank that will be 3 banged from AT gun to hull compared to tiger, IS, churchill

[haughty geode]

Will HLL get harder to play and more realistic in the future again?

[haughty geode]

The uniform shouldnt be there in the first place

[wind shore]

Still, they updating their changelog, and it’s 1 of hundreds fixes

[haughty geode]

It would be better if the changelog said "Removed inaccurate uniforms and replaced them with more accurate ones"

Please dear devs, make the game harder and more realistic again!

[pine ember]

This

[wind shore]

@fluid pawn That’s important! Can you please ask developers about this Wifi icon? Cause when player would play USA or other servers, for example which is far away, it would always flashing on screen and never gone, or players with bad connection would have always this reminder which is take attention from the battlefield

[analog apex]

Am I blind or does the changelog NOT say anything about CMD arty destroying the garrisons? 🫤 nor plans to fix it

[young forum]

Anyone tryna play

[bold rivet]

Are the crashes less now, or is this still a huge problem?

[pine ember]

Sadly you arent

[thin lotus]

"-Artillery Strike ability can take out spawn points
-The commander artillery strike ability can no longer destroy garrisons"

strange bullet point wording

[pine ember]

I mean thank god you arent blind but sadly you are seeing this right

[sleek edge]

@fluid pawn any updates for the rcon clients for the private servers coming with this small patch today, or is this something happening in the main patch next week?

[fluid pawn]

We popped this in the server owner Discord, however the server-side hotfix is aimed to fix this. If your server is impacted by the RCON related crash, your GSP should be able to move your server onto the new version.

[wind shore]

Ben pls

This Wi-Fi icon is annoyning and messing

[cedar shuttle]

Can anyone quantify the phrase

"you should notice a reduction in server-related crashes. "

?

[haughty geode]

Ben pls do not lay that much focus on DLC and make the game less casual again

[hallow shard]

You need to de-stress. I think it's clear that first thing for everyone is just get servers up and running

[analog apex]

Ok so it's there, I missed it. But just because that change was put to "general bugfixes" instead of putting it to the arty changes...

[fluid pawn]

crashes to the servers, rather than client related crashes

[haughty geode]

!!!!

[civic dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-flex-but-ok-gif-13226192

hotfix!

[finite berry]

Not gonna happen :(

[fluid pawn]

editing now, thanks for noticing it was in teh wrong section 🙂

[civic dawn]

2 weeks to read the lovely word:
"...a reduction..."

[past vortex]

blind

[river sigil]

put a 4x scope and unlimited range on the flamethrower

[cold sequoia]

lost connection to host still happening

[civic dawn]

It was said that there was only a reduction in server-side crashes.
The client DCs were not fixed.

[main harness]

Thank god the luchs is fixed

[civic dawn]

Relax, everything is going well as planned.

[fluid pawn]

This may be an issue that the server owner has yet to move to the new build. I'm chasing up server owners to get them to move over asap as those that have gone to the new version have been performing really well so far

[main harness]

@fluid pawn medium tank still gonna be better than heavy tanks with this update. Any plans to actually add a skill gap with something like weakspots etc? Or are we just pretending its fine

[fluid pawn]

As we mentioned on U18 launch, this was just the first stage in a longer armor rework. Although not everything is quite right from the start, I'm working with the armor team on some comms pieces that will hopefully give more insight into why things have been done and what they'll mean for the future progress of armor in HLL That being said, I know that they are looking at all the armor feedback and using the community sentiment as a basis for future changes so please do keep letting us know

If you have any specific things you'd like to hear from them or forms of media let me know though and I'll see what i can do 🙂

[civic dawn]

Could you explain how balance decisions are made, such as the AS (new command ability)?
Example: Why does it make sense that the ability's cost has now increased to 125?

[grizzled kiln]

The reasoning of Axis having two viable heavies ( when you get the Panther working again) as the only faction ? Just remove cooldown time and increase fuel cost. Done.

[little otter]

Big things for me were stability, recon flares, and command Arty Strike nerfs. Sweet! I can play again.

[wind shore]

miau

[obtuse dragon]

MONDAY????

[maiden ember]

balls

[brisk oasis]

howdy guys, just bought the game 5 secs ago 🙏

[brisk oasis]

wonderful way to be introduced to the server, thank you

[maiden ember]

yeah yeah

ik a lot about social interactions and allat

[worthy charm]

I recommend you take cover somewhere safer than in this discord

[obtuse dragon]

⚽🏈🏉⚾🏐🏀

[maiden ember]

the rugby one aint rly a ball is it

[brisk oasis]

smart tactical idea most likely

[obtuse dragon]

It counts as a ball

Somehow

[maiden ember]

it aint rly ball shaped tho is it

[maiden ember]

best cover is behind fallen small logs in the forest

[wind shore]

Good! Welcome home!

[past vortex]

straight into the bashing session :D

[maiden ember]

in HLL

[craggy lily]

I mean the average testicle isn't perfectly round

[maiden ember]

thats the most wise thing ive ever heard

[worthy charm]

For context we had an update with some issues and since then the server is on fire.

[obtuse dragon]

Hallo hi welcome hola bienvenido hi

https://tenor.com/view/snootgame-fang-vibecheck-gif-13186987668242354123

[brisk oasis]

gracias lo agradesco (i suck at writing spanish)

[brisk oasis]

well thats good i suppose

[obtuse dragon]

WE NEED PAVLOV'S HOUSE BACK!!!!!!!1!!!!!

[past vortex]

fix the scoreboard

[devout haven]

The new update didn't fix crashing. Team 17, sell the IP

[wind shore]

Who is Pavlov ? And why his house we should get back?

[worthy charm]

Go cry over in this channel. https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1425088496720281661

[maiden ember]

just read your name, isnt someone in your family named epstein

[brisk oasis]

pavlov vr ptsd

[maiden ember]

cuz then he would be the files

[obtuse dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/2-cats-hate-onions-2-cats-onion-cat-gif-12696680736344791105

[brisk oasis]

crazy

[wind shore]

….

[obtuse dragon]

Pavlov Is a guy that recently got evicted by team 17 on Stalingrad

[maiden ember]

me when i approach the servals with the fruit that repels servals

[worthy charm]

Everytime you ask I tell the devs to delay the fix by one year.

:}

[past vortex]

as if they were planning to fix it

[pure wadi]

can you publish your last message in telegrams pls?

[fluid pawn]

🫡

[pure wadi]

ty

[civic dawn]

@fluid pawn
And about the new icons? any easy changes?

• Covers part of the chat
• just Move The position?
• easy to create 3 options to ON/OFF each one

[wind vine]

Can the Artillery strike still destroy engineer built defenses ?

[brave turtle]

the whole armor rework would have been done by just fixing rendering at medium to long range

[wind shore]

Please! on / off

[obtuse dragon]

Don't think so, I have no idea

I actually haven't seen a single engineer build defenses 😭

[maiden ember]

leave them alone

theyre trying

[hallow shard]

I'm curious who the armor team are 👀

[main harness]

I think you should tell them to reach out to people with thousands of hours in the game in tanks. If you want a list let me know and I can point you all in their direction.

[hallow shard]

Do they have a team motto?

[grizzled kiln]

This armor team, is it in the room with us now ??

[wind shore]

So no PTE U19 😢

[fluid pawn]

the icons issue has been fed back

[hallow shard]

I'm suspect there's an amor team and that's the sticker here

[past veldt]

Ben,

What was the best thing about being on holiday and why was it not being in this server?

[raw flame]

dont make any changes to tanks, upset panther crews is a good thing

[hallow shard]

Should I be concerned

[worthy charm]

Based take.

[radiant shell]

Hello, all. New player here, looking for people to game with.

[worthy charm]

Listen to the man

[wind vine]

Hey @fluid pawn, I can see in the hotfix that the artillery strike no longer destroys garrisons but do you know if it still destroys engineer built defenses?

[worthy charm]

#console-looking-for-unit or #1343089641489961001 for a clan

[radiant shell]

Thank you, sir

[past veldt]

I think we should start asking Ben questions like the OSRS team does polling. Packaging a question he likes with something terrible

[hallow shard]

Hey Critical 🤝

[past veldt]

Hi Michael!

[hallow shard]

I've been doxed

Have you seen my YouTube somewhere?

[past veldt]

My guy, you're Irish. You're either Michael or Patrick

[fervent dagger]

Can it destroy most defences? I know it can’t destroy barbed wire.

[hallow shard]

haha that's true.

[prisma fiber]

Historically accurate

[fervent dagger]

I mean most tanks can’t either 🤷‍♂️

[main harness]

Mick told me to call him Mee-hi-ell

[prisma fiber]

Less historically accurate

[hallow shard]

I've just been super doxed

[little otter]

Defences need a boost somehow. They just don't quite work all that well.

[pine hull]

@fluid pawn Would you still be open for DMs concerning the tournament related stuff or should I wait 1-2 weeks until the hotifx stuff has cooled down?

[prisma fiber]

Not losing a garrison to "new arty" helps a lot for defenders on offensive mode

[wind vine]

I'm not sure about barbed wire but I know from other players it can destroy even level 3 defenses and because the cooldown is so short building defenses in the offensive gamemode became useless

[hallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/triples-s24-jiyeon-gif-3410187421084522991

[little otter]

@prisma fiber Oh yeah, that needed to go, so OP. And it's also not good when now commanders are in the top 5 fraggers in the server because of Arty Strike 😄

[fervent dagger]

That’s odd. Had a game the other day where me and some mates hid in a bunker to survive the arty strike and it was fine then. Maybe it’s a health thing?

That or we got super lucky

[fluid pawn]

You can send it my way, I just may not get back straight away 🙂

[little otter]

Might have to be direct strike

[prisma fiber]

Im ok with it

[prisma fiber]

Direct hits likely required

[wind shore]

Thanks for hotfix, Ben ! Share to team that they doing great job for us! And thanks to them please!

[prisma fiber]

I'm curious if the new arty affects tanks.

I'm sure it does but bomb runs/arty was always rare to see kill a tank

[little otter]

All they did was track a healthy tank, right?

[devout haven]

The hot fix didn't fix anything by the way

[little otter]

Recons get blown up though.

[wind shore]

So Monday we would get hotfix

[shy relic]

Hot fix went out?

[hallow shard]

Hey HeyBali

[prisma fiber]

No, Arty could get a direct hit and disable a turret, bomb runs could kill a heavy with one hit but it had to be a direct hit (super rare)

[devout haven]

@shy relic the server fix overnight

[prisma fiber]

It hasn't released yet

[prisma fiber]

Oh, lmao

[brave turtle]

Fix driving, Lower heavy turret health so its 2 shot as it was before (3 shot is just a joke), fix rendering. let tanks render more than a km away and let us customizes the ammo counts in the tanks. Any tanker would be happy with these for start

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/ntn-gif-6870484928331560005

[brave turtle]

shut up mick

[hallow shard]

This is why people love me

[prisma fiber]

I need customizable skins

I need the Milk Carton

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382781249319473265/1428769626011205763/A059571ACBD32AB15665F6A1C976B66C1FBC5A22.png?ex=68f3b4e8&is=68f26368&hm=d39be965f5599efe5f61cf4a4fd1699144ec98de4921c9bb9b1068e827cc4c21&

[hallow shard]

Banned

[prisma fiber]

Also turn on prox voip to the enemy team so they can hear my sweet tunes as I run them over at 5kph

[little otter]

Commander abilities should only come from player kill streaks. 😄 UAV Online.

[prisma fiber]

People sleeping on the Heavy 75

[little otter]

Heavy 75? Never heard of her.

[prisma fiber]

Baby poop green machine

[fringe hollow]

Jumbo was an assault gun primarily, used to spearhead an infantry push. The problem is the game works around always having a heavy tank somewhere which isn't how it worked IRL. But again, GAME so idk

[prisma fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670

[hallow shard]

I think you summed it up by saying "Game" lol.

You want realism remove your PC

[fringe hollow]

i know but that kinda sucks since it takes away from the VERY cool machines made during WW2

[prisma fiber]

IDK, the new fatty shortie is pretty good at combined arms, just gets pushed hard against a Tiger head on.

Side to side? It kills the tiger every time.

I would argue the heavy 75 is the better heavy on the US team with a great tank crew and good comms

[fringe hollow]

I'm not saying we need realism, I'm saying it doesn't work BECAUSE it's not realistic

[cedar ore]

*invent time travel

[hallow shard]

I'm trying

[prisma fiber]

In every engagement, all things being equal, the Heavy 75 now trumps a tiger in 1v1 in every situation other than approaching the tiger's front

[hallow shard]

I mean reality is you can't get everything in and keep things balanced

[fringe hollow]

You could kill any tank with a recon tank if you have good comms and tank crew. The issue is it's a "heavy" without being able to frontally fight another heavy so it's labeled "useless" and everyone moves on

[cedar ore]

That’s if it goes against a tiger lol

[prisma fiber]

Anything can kill a Panther now

[cedar ore]

Oh

[lucid gazelle]

Give me good tank gameplay and modding tools

[fringe hollow]

I know this as well, i just wish the "useless" label was mostly for comp and to let people have fun in pubs with whatever.

But bigger gun hit harder so everyone ofc wants it

[prisma fiber]

Not the same thing. A recon tank can only win in one specific situation: Approach its rear

A heavy 75 can kill a Tiger in every angle minus one better than the Tiger against the Heavy 75 in the reverse scenario

[prisma fiber]

Bigger gun also reload slower

This has been a factor now more than ever

[hallow shard]

I mean there still a balance to be struck between comp and casual play.

Comp already tried that by removing certain elements from this game.

Equally I'm sure a comp tank crew could do quite a bit of damage with any tank (not guareteed but depending on skill they play against it's very possible)

[fringe hollow]

yes but teamwork is needed for you to get to the side of that tiger unless A: enemies are basically toddlers or B: the enemies don't know you're there

VS "see that tank? Hit it"

[azure heath]

I love me a good half-truck

[prisma fiber]

Not entirely in agreement. I've found most tank engagements arent head on, even with poor comms.

But as the aside: The best tanks crews should be loading up the heavy 75, especially on the attack

[fringe hollow]

I'd like to see halftracks get loaded up with infantry and driven back lines more often. Hardly ever more than 2-3 guys in a single one

[prisma fiber]

I have over 4000 hours in the steel boxes in this game, I have a problem

[hallow shard]

Because they normally get blown up. And if they get there you just spawn on them

[prisma fiber]

Agree, they are poorly implemented. Replace transport trucks with non-"garrison" half tracks and make them cost 100 fuel

[fringe hollow]

sounds like the driver's fault for getting close to infantry

[prisma fiber]

Nobody drove trucks into the front line lmao

[hallow shard]

Welcome to most players lol

[fringe hollow]

yeah...

[hallow shard]

You forget people try to use their brains

[fringe hollow]

I tend to see the opposite myself

people actively TRYING to turn their brain off and join the antline to the blender

[prisma fiber]

Hold W simulator

[hallow shard]

Kinda realistic

[gentle lintel]

that's real

[hallow shard]

Thus the many deaths

[fringe hollow]

"Why do I always die without seeing people when I cross this field surrounded by the enemies for the 27th time??!!? Game bad!!"

[meager timber]

we need these people. meat is important

[prisma fiber]

Eh most people drop that within a day

Or the game

[fringe hollow]

I'd like my meat to at least shoot toward the enemies sometimes instead of literally Live, Die, Repeat.

[meager timber]

real. it's more like spawn, shoot 1 guy, die, repeat

if lucky shoot 2 and frontline moves

[fringe hollow]

Spawn, look for offense point, hold W to that since the enemies are gonna be there, die without shooting a single guy because you sprinted straight into them.

Assume a bad guy is around every corner and suddenly you're ready for them every time

[meager timber]

it's funny when everyone tries the pro gamer flank move and front door is wide open

[cosmic pilot]

I agree. So I actively try to do it.
The conclusion I came to is that if you want half-tracks to be viable you have to treat them like a 3 crew armored vehicle, like how a tank has a dedicated crew.
If the half-track was fuel cheap and functioned more like a squad OP instead of a garrison it would be even more viable.

Plus you have to buff the mounted mg

[glossy heath]

3 weeks to fix issues that would have been found if the team tested armor changes (that got released) for even 3 minutes

Think of the time and pain you could save yourself with some good old fashioned testing T17!

[fringe hollow]

I don't see why the half track was made a spawn instead of being a slightly armored and lightly armed transport truck. BM must have had their reasons

[little otter]

Thee half-track play is setting it up in locked RedZone for next cap play.

[cosmic pilot]

The reason was to arbitrarily try something new, but they were too concerned with it being OP and made no balance adjustments

[little otter]

@fringe hollow Cause it's just a mounted machine gun, it doesn't have any other value.

[fringe hollow]

I know how it's used currently, I'm saying that it could have been a totally different implementation to add different tactics. The long standing map control and spawn control meta of the game doesn't allow much of that. I guess I'm missing the larger scale and play style of Squad

For example, halftrack being an armored and MGed truck would allow for flanking assault with large groups very quickly instead of waiting the whole minute spawn for like 7 guys to run aimlessly towards the enemy and then reveal the location to anyone smart enough to follow

This could be done right now but it's too important a resource to use it that way

[little otter]

Would have to fix the jerkiness of vehicle motion, you can't hit anything with that MG while it is driving. It's also made of paper and any rocket easily takes it out. They are also not that fast and you get stuck easily so if you increase armor so 2 rockets take it out, it's still such an easy target.

[lethal matrix]

@fluid pawn do I still have to spend 5 minutes component repairing my heavy after I side peak it unable to one shot it or is it a video game at the end of the day and I can just simply repair my tank because it's a video game at the end of the day and I don't want to roleplay like how it would be exactly like in the real war

[meager timber]

no man, it's real life

accurate war simulator

[fringe hollow]

Better suppression could help. Don't need to hit it if he can't hit you back. One rocket hits say the engine, 8 guys jump out and gang up on the poor AT player. I get that the current way it's implemented doesn't let it happen easily.

[lethal matrix]

"We looked closely at all of your armor feedback" yeah right 80% of the actual good recommendations you left out probably because it's not war accurate enough because you've turned this into a millsim roleplay game

[cosmic pilot]

The half-track being an "easy" target is a balancing factor for it's mobility and spawn capability.
It would be nice if it was a little more durable but by it's nature it should be a "weak" target

[finite berry]

Game uninstalls itself when you die

[finite berry]

How and where is this a milsim

[cosmic pilot]

I'm tempted to make this a server for the novelty, you die, you get kicked from the server for 2-3 hours

[meager timber]

people who complain about the kill screen should just close their eyes when they die -> realism achieved

[worthy charm]

These S44 players... Personal conspiracy elise is only here to make HLL worse so S44 gets more players.

-# /s

[little otter]

I think the half-track is pretty balanced as it stands. It costs a lot of fuel, risky to position in the red zone due to many AT and tanks but it's high reward, only 15m lock in redzone and can be moved if spotted. Also recon can't take them out directly and they can be easily defended on defence.

[worthy charm]

Highest risk for a halftrack is that some level 5 takes it and drives it into a tank.

[fringe hollow]

I like this game for the tactical feel of it. Slower pace, more immersive, etc. MilSim would be like WT simulator mode. Roleplaying is part of a game's atmosphere and brings more fun. Comp doesn't give two anything's about that though and just want raw stats and gameplay since it's about game mechanics and exploiting

[little otter]

Parking brake trick. 😏. But then the level 5 leaves it running and you can't spawn anyways.

[lethal matrix]

It's a video game dude. You should've been born in 1910 so you could've fought in the war if you care so much about roleplay

[fringe hollow]

My point exactly, it's a video game about WW2. It should be fun and immersive. That's like me telling you to play CoD because it's less realistic and relies more on skill.

[hallow shard]

I mean is the move to more realism resulting in more players?

[fringe hollow]

I'm not saying more realism. Just less goofy game mechanics that make no sense

Immersion DOES NOT equal realism

It's about atmosphere

[hallow shard]

Care to explain?

[lethal matrix]

Right it's more realistic than cod even though I can respawn with full ammunition rockets and my satchel after I use it every 10 seconds after my heads blown off

[meager timber]

agree. they should remove the timer to spawn again. it's not like you wait for 10 seconds irl to select your spawn location

[thin lotus]

realistically teleports past your frontline

[little otter]

What is this dude even getting at 😂

[lethal matrix]

"The games more realistic than cod" yet I get to choose where I spawn and respawn every 10 seconds

[thin lotus]

realistically uproots your entire team into the enemy territiry via a table that someone built

[lethal matrix]

Please lock in redditor

[winged briar]

@fluid pawn are heavies still required to shoot a medium twice on the side to kill? Seen a lot of chatter about how a free/200 fuel medium out performs a already limited heavy side peaking hedges

[hallow shard]

Did that not happen?

[fringe hollow]

The way the game feels. When I play a game, I'm mostly looking for enjoyment from the community and gameplay that flows well. OTHER players get their enjoyment from aim training and watching numbers go up. Winning is nice and is the goal but above all else there should be fun to be had, not only your fun.

I don't see competitive games as fun, I see competitive scenes as the only way to get players who play correctly. But they take it to the extreme.

Hence "competitive"

[azure ether]

Horse

[meager timber]

aiming and shooting is pretty fun in fps games

[fringe hollow]

Yes it is, but I don't train to aim and shoot better. Training for a game is sad. Go train a hamster to jump through a hoop instead

[lethal matrix]

Guys I would rather roleplay with my teammates rather than shoot someone in an fps ww2 shooter game

[fringe hollow]

I roleplay by having god squad cohesion and us covering each other.

[meager timber]

alright. why should the game cater to you if you don't want to even try to be better tho :/

[fringe hollow]

Why would it cater to me? I didn't suggest anything change, just stated that if things were different, new tactics could be thought of.

[lethal matrix]

You can get that if you simply knew how to play fps games with teammates

[hallow shard]

I mean competive is still a big part of HLL and console.

To be honest it's these absolute headaches they should give some time to test the game. I'm sure every clan could point to at least 3 people who enjoy testing the limits of the game (not to say theirs pub players who could do the same). Of which influence the various rules that get implemented across various community event/competitions they run

[fringe hollow]

I never seem to find this but that's probably my fault somehow.

[obtuse dragon]

Well, sometimes you need to take away some realism to make the game fun to play

[meager timber]

thought it was implied when you said the game SHOULD be fun and the aiming part isn't fun

[obtuse dragon]

Imagine if you had to depend on trucks every game, no Garry, Just Respawn HQ and pray that the guy knows How to drive

[lethal matrix]

Right let's add component repairing now

[fringe hollow]

Comp will never leave until the game does. I'm not wanting to remove it, just stating my opinion on the majority of those who engage with it.

[little otter]

Go play DayZ

[obtuse dragon]

Even realistic arma 3 servers add "respawn on the frontline" mechanics because it's more important to have fun

[fringe hollow]

Games, by design, should be fun. My fault for not being clear.

[fringe hollow]

The component repair allows select repairing but also kinda nerfs it. You must pull back even more or get more defense from infantry since you can't just look at one spot and rep the whole tank. Cool idea imo

[finite berry]

dew it

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-smiling-cute-pet-gif-17869715

[wind shore]

How is that even possible

[broken shoal]

IS HOTFIX FRIDAY. LETS GOOO

where is it

[wind shore]

Hope next Friday would be PTE

[hallow shard]

I think we should remove tanks and inf from game

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-opossum-umpossible-impossumable-not-possible-gif-16046105594351561799

[wind shore]

Impossebal

[hallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-bait-clickbait-gif-7373851025472833661

[fringe hollow]

and add planes?

[azure ether]

Add horse

[wind shore]

Add horse 🐎

🐎 🐴

[azure ether]

Please add horse to the game

[fringe hollow]

only commander gets a horse so he can move around fast without catching everything in a truck

[azure ether]

Horse

[wind shore]

Horse!

[azure ether]

Horse

[wind shore]

🐎

🎠

[hallow shard]

nope only death. Full WW2 immersion

[azure ether]

Horse

[wind shore]

Horse

[hallow shard]

Only if there's a single horse

We all fight over the horse

[fringe hollow]

I hope I get shredded first in D-Day. Just meat left

[wind shore]

🎠 🐎 🐴 🏇

[azure ether]

I hope horse

[hallow shard]

anyone who kills the horse gets banned from game

Last player not banned wins game

[azure ether]

Name the horse juan

[fringe hollow]

killing horse gives 1m exp but banned for killing

[wind shore]

Why Juan

[fringe hollow]

Juan horse meme

[wind shore]

Name horse - horses

[azure ether]

Because horse

[hallow shard]

Horse should be called Ben

[azure ether]

Juan

Horse

[wind shore]

Call horse - Pyotr

Or Horse - Horse

[azure ether]

Horse

Peter the horse is here

[wind shore]

Which color of horse

[worthy charm]

The pink ones

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-my-little-pony-a-new-generation-g6-pipp-petals-gif-11970119562965887831

[wind shore]

Unicorn ? 🦄

[azure ether]

Horse

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/fantasy-horse-unicorn-gif-11296592

[wind shore]

Which breed of horses?

[fringe hollow]

Clydesdale

[azure ether]

Horse

[fringe hollow]

need BIG beer horse

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/cossacks-dance-dancing-gif-11337052

[azure ether]

Horse

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-animal-animals-horse-remembers-gif-4525840217462590348

[azure ether]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-1st-delaware-war-of-rights-1st-de-gif-18969268

Honse

[slate canopy]

Calm the gifs 😅

[wind shore]

Community wants horses next update! And named Juan

[azure ether]

Honse

We want horse

We want horse

We want horse

Juan the horse

[wind shore]

Horse Juan, Ardennes breed

[wind shore]

Which breed

[azure ether]

Just horse

[azure ether]

The horse kind

[wind shore]

Ok, then how we would ride them

And how it would works with gameplay and balance

[acoustic ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-animal-funny-funny-horse-funny-animal-gif-10472912058037348017

[azure ether]

Tank driver can shoot with pistol and can carry small supplies in the back

[wind shore]

Why tank driver would ride a horse? 🐎

[azure ether]

Horse is dreadnought

[wind shore]

Or maybe sailor from marines would drive a horse

[azure ether]

Its armoured horse

[wind shore]

Or pilot of plane would ride horse

[civic dawn]

@fluid pawn
Are the various issues with the new Stalingrad map +/or tank lights (combo bugs) in the backlog?
The map has several invisible walls that block shots from taller buildings, glitched assets, and terrain issues in several quadrants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FQ-eKljlrU

[azure ether]

Horse

:(

[wind shore]

Are you Cossack ?

[azure ether]

Horse

[wind shore]

Buy Cossack DLC, they loves horses

[slate canopy]

Plesae post in #1425052819311955969 and not ping Ben. Thanks.

[wind shore]

It’s part of their communities - and Cossacks always liked horses

[azure ether]

Horse

[acoustic ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/exorcism-father-mulvehill-evil-z-is-for-zombies-get-out-evil-spirit-gif-1876611732727534847

[azure ether]

Horse

[slate canopy]

Stop spamming.

[azure ether]

Honse

Juan

[wind shore]

You should buy Cossack dlc

Cossacks loved horses

If game had horses - this is kind of customization

[civic dawn]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1425505801283309752

I already posted... but there are so many other issues that are not on the hotfix1 list or that have not been mentioned in any official community post.

[slate canopy]

I understand, but that's where they'll read the feedback. No need to ping staff.

[civic dawn]

I understand, but as I said, maybe they're not reading it, because there's no mention of it anywhere in the hotfix.

[slate canopy]

They concentrated on certan things this hotfix. Doesn't mean it's the only hotfix.

[civic dawn]

ok, I'll wait for hotfix #7 maybe
Ty

[wind shore]

They going to fix Cossack hat ribbons model and color

Which color it’s golden stripes double or single ribbons

[languid zephyr]

Do you have an idea of how actively the devs play this game? I am guessing as Community Managers, your description is more communications based for the discord - your feedback isn't directly going into gameplay so if you haven't played the game since 2023 for example, it wouldn't really make a difference.

[slate canopy]

Not a community manager, that's just Ben. I'm just a moderator of the discord. I'm sure the devs play, but I don't know how much.

I have played since 2022, personally.

[languid zephyr]

Gotcha - sorry! Makes sense. Was just curious.

[civic dawn]

Another point is the MGs, with the changes from the delayed update + u18 [change of windows (anti-glitch)]... the MGs became even more horrible to pronate

[thin lotus]

they've said they have a "weekly playtest". We do not know how many devs partake, nor the extent of what that playtest is. Could be as little as loading a map to check something for all we know

[civic dawn]

The game will only move in the RIGHT direction when the community is given a REAL voice in gameplay balance decisions.
It's impossible for a developer/QA to play every class and understand all the mathematical aspects of "class/roles value."

[wind shore]

Next weekend pls run pte u19

[thin lotus]

what is this weird obsession with pte19

[slate canopy]

He wants the new map 😛

[elder dune]

I see so many conflicting contradicting community feedback here and on Reddit...

[wind shore]

Wdym conflicting

Contradicting or players conflicting?

[cosmic pilot]

I'm going to make a video about why you shouldn't listen to the players

[gentle lintel]

Scream if you love S M O L E N S K

[wind shore]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[civic dawn]

The math isn't conflicting when it comes to real balance gameplay.
They need to listen to the real players, but that's a difficult job to do.

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-gif-gif-13236175684798649698

[elder dune]

contradicting

[earnest stirrup]

is it known whether the devs are going to take another pass at frame time inconsistencies

[slate canopy]

Who are "real players"?

[elder dune]

I'M REAL!

[cosmic pilot]

What is a real player

[meager timber]

well me and my friends ofc. you should listen to me and my friends

[slate canopy]

Please share in #hll-videos

[wind shore]

I listen to you

[little otter]

@civic dawn Give us your take on the direction the game should be going?

[wind shore]

🔜

[finite berry]

Ah, good ol' no-true-scotsman 😄

[wind shore]

First thing it’s big thanks for T17 that they doing the game fixing it! Second it’s great!

[azure heath]

Smolensk makes the world go ‘round

[wind shore]

BF6 would piss off with their paper maps

And plastic assets, when they would see great architecture in Smolensk

[gentle lintel]

fat bottomed smolensk you make the rockin' world go 'round

[hallow shard]

The actual playtest (PTE) is difficult to find things that are broken. Because while you try and test things you typically have random souls trying to play and win the match.

This makes it difficult to actual test things

[empty steppe]

No, no they won’t

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/freddie-freddie-mercury-freddiemercury-freddie-mercury-queen-queen-freddie-mercury-gif-582931534158298254

Freddie is so hot

[wind shore]

They would, I’ve seen renders it looks great

[worthy charm]

Rare cheesecake

[broken shoal]

Im still crashing. Server side did nothing.

[wind shore]

They should take an examples how to make maps! Their maps just “pretty decoration” like New York map, where whole game you just see the cut senses and flat PNG - BF6 maps

[azure heath]

Server side won’t help you

if it’s client side

[wind shore]

Solmensk!

[azure heath]

Okay, watch inglorious bastards you bastards

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-what-the-dog-doin-what-da-dog-doin-dog-doing-gif-22336881

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-absorbs-water-gif-20640664

[thin lotus]

I've said it plenty of times, the ptes that this game has are damn near useless for "testing".
And you're right, there's always some players strangely trying to speedrun a win in these playtests. It is incredibly odd behavior.

[wind shore]

Why sponge 🧽

🧽

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-smug-spongebob-squarepants-gif-9547716225990610286

[wind shore]

Sponge Bob square pants 👖

🤵🏼‍♂️
🧽
👖

🤵🏼‍♂️
🫲 🧽 🫴
👖

[languid zephyr]

@gentle lintel Anti-Tank Launcher Damage: Increased from 325 to 380. This adjustment preserves the same number of required hits to destroy tanks while heightening the threat level to Armor units Could you ask the devs to explain why increasing the the damage of a launcher means anything if it still creates the same amount of hits to kill the tank? Is there a missing mechanic here?

Anti-Tank Gun Damage: Increased from 350 to 400. This adjustment makes these weapons more potent against all tanks; particularly heavy tanks which can now be destroyed in fewer hits compared to the anti-tank launchers

I'm also curious on why the AT gun damage matters. It takes 7 shots from a AT gun to kill a heavy in the turret, 4 to body. How does saying "heavy tanks which can now be destroyed in fewer hits compared to the anti-tank launchers" make sense then?

If these are just fillers to create a impression of more content you can tell us that too if you'd like

It feels like you are trolling the player base

[wind shore]

Scream if you love bugs and cockroaches 🪳

[acoustic ingot]

We want a new map without bugs 😛

[civic dawn]

As I said, it's not an easy task. Several cultural changes are needed in HLL/T17.
Directly support the competitive community and next the community focused on realism/more casual play.

• Create official championships or support existing ones with simple things like offering good servers for matches.
• Prizes? It doesn't have to be direct money. It can start with DLC or some items (t-shirts, caps, cups).

Next step: Include representatives from all competitive clans to have a voice in gameplay balance decisions.
There are several other things that can be done later(e.g. As a basic thing, creating slots for streamers for example instead of the community being forced to play x49 (is it silly? Yes, but technically it is a change)), but first, we need to change the culture!

[hallow shard]

I've not jumped on a pte for a while purely for this reason. Off trying to see what's to be messed with while I get shot.

[broken shoal]

He wants insight from competitive clans

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

[worthy charm]

1. I believe due to engine health maybe? Im to lazy to do the math rn.

2. They need to look into this again because with 400 some heavys still survive 5 shoots, because they have more than 1200 HP.

[languid zephyr]

Anything wrong with listening to the people who belive you should have 8 blue zone garrisons up within the first 11 minutes of the game? So people can play?

[civic dawn]

But all of this involves decisions from high leadership.
I only know that HLL is a poorly cut diamond. It could make a ton of money, more than what Blackmatter received.

[worthy charm]

Im not a comp player so I dont know anything about the structure and org. but it wouldnt even be necessary to make their own event.
They literally can just print out DLC codes and then hand them out based on the winning teams list.

I dont think it would be hard...

[slate canopy]

Also, you shouldn't take input from just competitive clans. 😅 Not fair to the players who aren't part of a community like that have many hours in it and play casually.

[civic dawn]

The competitive community is what has kept many things "alive" in HLL for many players.

[civic dawn]

That's why I said that would be the next step.

[wind shore]

Is it real

[past vortex]

they do just the opposite :}
listening to the causuals because those are the greater number

[civic dawn]

If you don't have a dev/qa or any other role or person directly playing the game for hours and hours, and especially with experience in all classes, you don't directly know what really needs to be done to make the game balanced.

[worthy charm]

Ok...
Engine health wise it doesnt change anything. Im a bit confused honestly.
It somewhat makes the AT rifles better when the tank is already damaged I guess, but not sure what the intention is...

[broken shoal]

Competitive scene kills games and some people just want to game

[civic dawn]

It doesn't kill, the problem is that mathematically speaking they know what needs to be done to end the game quickly.

[broken shoal]

Stay in your lane. Competitive cland are not devs.

[languid zephyr]

I believe this is where people are wrong. Competitive gameplay mechanics provides the most fulfilling game enviroment. It has the highest standards for the amount of spawns, and the longest gameplay. Milsim has no place in a game based on Math - it isn't real life and no one cares about hearing "how copy" a million times. It's just math. Softcap math, hardcap math. Hinge, garrisons, outposts.

Yes, you'll need to learn how to shoot and move. But we want them to listen to us about the MECHANICS of the game

If people want to milsim, ARMA and SQUAD provide better opportunities - It's the casuals that yeet themselves into redzones and trample/run over every game mechanic that makes this game great.

I need you all to understand this:

The base logic of Competitive Gameplay:

Have as many spawns as possible so your team can play the game.

If you are against spawn points in a non-ticketed game like hell let loose, I think we cannot continue to conversate.

[slate canopy]

I have almost 1000 hours in this game, I am very fulfilled without playing in a community or playing competitive. 😅

[broken shoal]

Point proven. Competitive clans just want to have the final word but like i said YOU GUYS ARE NOT DEVS.

[languid zephyr]

Congrats - sometimes people don't know how good things can be if they stay in their yard all the time.

[dusty bolt]

FYI

Servers are still crashing, just not as much

[past vortex]

shocking

[echo karma]

Blame it on glow

[worthy charm]

Better than nothing :}

[wind shore]

BF 6 is cringe 😬

[broken shoal]

Game crashing made me go back to dayz and im not happy

[echo karma]

Arc raiders is cringe

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[hallow shard]

Hey Glow

[thin lotus]

crazy how many things need to preemptively happen in any game of HLL for even a chance at having fun in it

[wind shore]

If anyone want to play bf6 dm me

[dusty bolt]

Was good baby

[hallow shard]

I don't think that's really true.

Competive clans typically recruit off public games and more often that not, play quite a few pubs.

The single competive game the play as a single team is only a small part of their week. Often resolves around ensuring pubs are decent quality so they can try and pick out players to recruit. I'm also sure there's many a comp player adminning server etc.

Also comp clans are fully aware healthy pub numbers result in healthy comp numbers (as much as we all flame each other, but thats part of being on the internet).

[languid zephyr]

Yes - I believe its just filler text to help ease the impact of the lack of a real fix. They literally are like "Let's write this - half our player base doesn't even realize how to properly build a garrison, so there is no way they will question the HP numbers. Send it"

A big FU but nice marketing try.

[worthy charm]

I wouldnt go that far...
But I couldnt fine anything that changes because of the buff

[meager timber]

secret t17 meeting where they all sit around a table smoking cigarettes and try to come up with plans how to dodge making real fixes. i like that picture you painted

[broken shoal]

Just give me a workshop and ill bring iwo jima. Yeah i said it

[hallow shard]

End of my two week holiday tomorrow. Cryinga little. Soon to be back to stupid reality

[worthy charm]

It also increases the time tanker need to repair... but when they buff the repair tool at the same time its hard for me to say how that will work out.

[cosmic pilot]

Games should not be solvable puzzles.

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/lucy-fairy-tail-gif-23870098

[primal sable]

Am I the only oje strugling to find servers that dont have a super long que or arent 300 ping

[little otter]

This game isn't about math, it's not a Rubik's cube with strict sets of rules and conditions. You can have 8 garrisons and still lose a point, it doesn't just come down to having the most spawns. What if all those garrisons are out in the open getting camped by an MG? You still have the spawn available. Or a flank garrison in the red that never gets found by the enemy because it's in a good spot and you have 2 good squads spawning off it that sweep the area clear of enemy so they can never get near it. I've played competitive for a while and that doesn't magically make you know what to do for balance. 😄

[cosmic pilot]

I agree, but in a reductionist view the game is about spawn-rate.

[little otter]

Spawn rate and ability to control the map. If your team spawns but gets outgunned, the garrison will be overrun.

[eager orbit]

in 1 hour of HLL

• 2x Crash
• 2x Lost Connection
  😩

[cosmic pilot]

There's layers to it, but I agree mainly that being involved in comp does not automatically qualify you to be good about making balance design decisions.

Comp is the main reason we're in the perfect parity paradigm we've been stuck in for years.

[neat urchin]

That semi hotfix is working well i see

[little otter]

The game feels pretty balanced so far, less so with the new arty strike stuff. But things like the recon/arty/node meta needs to be addressed but I don't have the specific answers. Removing arty guns and replacing with a self-propelled artillery tank that requires 3 crew to operate seems cool. It's not always in the same place, it requires coordination, and subject to enemy tank and satchel attacks.

[wind shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152891668014575657/1425163988425113621/IMG_1064.gif

[civic dawn]

It's all about math, bro. If you put Garry in the open, it's because you don't know the basics of the game and should move a few meters (math!) to a safer spot. You don't need to be competitive to do that. You learn that by playing casually.

[little otter]

What in the Sam Hill are you talking about?

[cosmic pilot]

It's just meth bro

[acoustic ingot]

wheres the horse?

[civic dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-titanic-leonardo-dicaprio-window-sinking-ship-gif-16110470049214623629

[wind shore]

I don’t know

[acoustic ingot]

wassup @civic dawn como esta manito?

ola @hybrid sage

[hybrid sage]

Why must "comp players" ruin the game lol

They can't even play the game normally, they need filters or whatever the hell they use

[civic dawn]

I heard something about an anti-smoke filter 🤔... Maybe it's just my madness.

[main harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431538152109244446/1297045649996517397/attachment.gif

[broken shoal]

Some comp player told me to increase the brightness to play night maps and he couldnt understand when i said that ruins the immersion for me

[meager timber]

all these comp players come in to the servers and ruin the games with their "optimal garrison placement" and "aim training". god damn tryhards

[pine ember]

I stay quiet

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-lauren-german-chloe-decker-lucifer-what-are-you-saying-gif-17404723

[hybrid sage]

Someone told me that you cant glitch through windows anymore and stuff, now all the "comp" guys will have to play the game like a normal human being 🤣

[haughty geode]

Whats Slomesnks even?

[hallow shard]

Comp players use the aim button. Stupid try hards. They even mount the MG rather than that just spraying in an open field

[hybrid sage]

This game was never meant to be for competitive play, which is why asymmetry exists across all scopes of the game. Idk why they feel the need to try and make something its not

[ornate python]

Idk it does pretty well I have a great time

Weird thing to hate on

Seems like a cope

[hallow shard]

Nami's a hater

[worthy charm]

People tryhard everywhere... in single player games its speed runs in multiplayer games its competitive.

I think having a separate but dedicated community is nice. Could be far worse.

[hybrid sage]

That is fine and all, if they want to play their own gamemode so be it, but the issue comes when they start parading around the suggestions and War Correspondents talking about "dont listen to the casuals, listen to me, the guy with 10k comp hours so I can make the game feel like Counter Strike"

First impressions are everything, if your 10 hour guys are unsatisfied, thats more of a problem than some no-life whinging about faction balance

[worthy charm]

Not all WCs are comp players. 😅

[hybrid sage]

Not the WCs themselves, but they people they interact with

[thin lotus]

i'd pay to see someone touting themselves as a HLL comp god playing cs

[meager timber]

why?

[worthy charm]

@finite berry You little...

https://tenor.com/view/rainy-day-quotes-gif-8948951907880737231

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/pRdKwEIxQtr.gif

[wind shore]

It’s the new map

I’ve already explained you it’s Smolensk it’s new map

[worthy charm]

Thats the only reason you still come on here isnt it. 😂

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/bWXhH.gif

[worthy charm]

🥺

[finite berry]

It's literally the first connotation my brain makes, I'm sorry

[cosmic pilot]

That's what I suspected

[thin lotus]

This player is fantastic, just needs to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, economy management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, smoke spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, bunny hopping, spray control and getting kills

[molten sail]

had to make it a gif.

[dusty bolt]

Well this hot fix wont mean nothing if the crashing still happens

[thin lotus]

there is merit to what new/'casual' (dumb descriptor word btw) think of HLL

[dusty bolt]

Servers are still consistently crashing

@fluid pawn @lost pulsar yall are aware of this right?

[molten sail]

i was looking for a different word instead of casual but couldnt find anything that would fit

[thin lotus]

if people aren't sticking around, there's probably a consistent reason for it, and not all of it is "YER JUST A COD PLAYER"

[molten sail]

at this point everyone is a cod player

[dusty bolt]

special

[empty steppe]

Atleast I have the game installed!

[hallow shard]

This is Nami's way of saying I should be lead WC

[empty steppe]

They prob don’t even remember they made this game

[hybrid sage]

The lion doesnt concern himself with compies

[hallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/rawr-cat-lion-like-yawn-kitty-gif-16897243544055376803

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/bwa1x.gif

[thin scarab]

Go back to COD

[cosmic pilot]

Small cog energy.

[thin lotus]

I have gotten shadowbanned playing the last COD game I've purchased due to how I played. MW2

considering how strong sbmm is on that title, that's pretty impressive

[covert elbow]

Played with the founder of Etool and he did the exact same thing haha

My brightness is set to 75% and people are baffled because of it

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/life-like-this-sure-is-sweet-drewski-jack-harlow-luxury-luxurious-gif-23979068

[empty steppe]

I thought they went extinct

[thin lotus]

HLL players when they have to shoot 2 bullets into a target instead of 1 to down him: 😠

[meager timber]

Most of you guys haven't played day of defeat and it shows

[worthy charm]

Have you even played after the update yet?

I have heard people like you would love driving the panther :}

[gilded spade]

This is ridiculous right

[languid zephyr]

Who do you play competitively for? The game is math. Softcap, hardcap. It’s just math with odds manipulated by more spawn points. If you’ve played comp you’d probably flop into a different OP then go to the 8 garrisons that are camped by the MG 🥰. Best thing is, you can have almost 20 different OP options to spawn into.

[haughty geode]

Ah the Carentan wannabe

[wind shore]

Better!

[haughty geode]

It wont be better for sure

[main harness]

Game is literally unplayable. DC every 20 minutes.

As I now cannot/do not play the game, I believe I am eligible to be a HLL moderator, community manager or a full time employee of T17. This seems to be a perquisite. Is there an application I can submit somewhere?

[wind shore]

Let’s wait until next weekends

[empty steppe]

Nah

[wind shore]

Yes

Check expression games website or team 17

[hallow shard]

I haven't played in two weeks. I'll be your manager

[worthy charm]

Maybe then you dont have any dcs anymore. I had two in like 30h-40h of U18 Playtime.

[wind shore]

Add horses

[steep shell]

Is it common to have the VOIP connecting issue?

[wind shore]

Herr Willes, can you add horses to the game please? I think that would be nice idea! Imagine riding a horse through fields of Kursk or streets of Carentan

Would be fast !

[oak current]

Where are our Horses Willes

I demand a retexture of a Tiger Tank to look like a Horse.

think of how glorious that horse would be, tanking multiple AT Rockets

[prisma yew]

check dm

[oak current]

If you need troubleshooting help, go check out #1270189497719586908

[prisma yew]

no solutions found bro

[slate canopy]

If you're havin an issue, post it in #1271718922734796865 and someone may be able to help you.

[prisma yew]

when i join all servers are empty haha

[slate canopy]

Explain it all in there 😅

[prisma yew]

🫡

[feral vine]

This pos update working yet or what

[cerulean iris]

Also curious I'm seeing mixed results in this chat

[worthy charm]

You will get one if I get an Altberg tiger skin

[oak current]

Coyote Skin

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1428473704618135684/a60okx.gif

[nova oracle]

They should do an early war French Vs German map and add horses

Just remove the tanks and have cavalry like battlefield 1

Get run down by a Turk on a horse with his curved sword

Or Greek Vs German because the Greeks smoked the Wehrmacht during the War

[hallow shard]

We should remove all inf and tanks and just be horses

[cerulean iris]

We can't even get a working hotfix apparently and yall want horses??

[river rover]

They put out server hotfix and haven't seen many complaints since. Game hotfix coming most likely Monday to fix the other issues reported.

[cerulean iris]

Ive seen multiple complaints but ok?

[river rover]

Here?

[rocky pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-gif-1721830702096578655

the horses in question

[river rover]

Is game on internal SSD? Is your system fully patched \ updated including "Optional" and "Other Microsoft Products" and turn on "Get Me Up To Date". If on Windows 11 be sure you are on 25H2. Delete your Steam Download Cache, once back into Steam do a Check for Steam Client Updates. You may or may not have any.

[wind shore]

Question of the day! Horses

[feral vine]

Only if they get the same collision detection as tanks

[past vortex]

there was that horse called Staff Sgt. Reckless
they could totally add that for pacific

[vital yacht]

I had that ealier today

[graceful whale]

why are we either getting dc-ed or fatal errored?

[main harness]

Its the weekend bro. Let the devs have their weekend. They just got back from holiday and the games been unplayable for 2 weeks but be reasonable.

[prisma fiber]

Now if only they learned to test their stuff before releasing it

Honestly it feels like Christmas with this new hotfix coming, who knows what game breaking gifts this update will include

[dusty bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900868714814132284/1428878652879405057/image.png?ex=68f41a72&is=68f2c8f2&hm=2ef4ce39b54108c146c721535ae3a36d09c5a3e1e5613f9188549d555312b1b4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

😭

[thin lotus]

🤭

[rocky pagoda]

isn't this peak HLL time as well?

Friday evening, non-summer

[finite berry]

It's literally 01:00 in Europe

[dusty bolt]

Sad times we live in

[eager orbit]

thanks, will look into that in morning 🫡

[rocky pagoda]

thank you for your input about another place in the world

[dusty bolt]

It still blows my mind that this game cant maintain 20-30k players

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/not-stonks-profit-down-sad-frown-arms-crossed-gif-15684535

[finite berry]

Just saying that almost the entirety of Europe falls flat due to timezones, thus taking out a considerable chunk of the playerbase out of the equation

[lucid talon]

Right gents. I’ve been playing HLL for a while now and I’m only level 17. Im confused how some people are level 300 in my games.

[slate canopy]

The level up XP requirement gets bigger every level.

[obtuse dragon]

no, that's like

at 1pm on my timezone

[echo karma]

Shower scene?

[little otter]

@lucid talon I have 1700hrs and have about a 240 rank. I don't play on Bob the Builder servers either which you can farm gigaXP building bunkers for X amount of time.

[echo karma]

Just build nodes. Ez exp

[cosmic pilot]

No, hll tends to peak after Christmas for a month or two

[little otter]

@echo karma Didn't they patch it a year ago that if you build nodes and switch class, the node buff doesn't count for you anymore? Or something along those lines with nodes.

[echo karma]

No

[nova pivot]

The node xp farm still works

[little otter]

They patched something with node XP, could have sworn.

[echo karma]

Not to mention driving trucks is hella exp. Building walls etc building garrisons

[little otter]

Blowing up garrisons nets you crazy combat effectiveness. I got near 2000 in a full match with the flamethrower 😄

[prisma fiber]

Game has to work

Also hi

[past vortex]

the technical downsides are huge
not everyone can overlook that

its almost last millenium

[little otter]

I had a few friends play this game but they couldn't get into it. Lots of people don't like the tactical aspect of it, all they do is spawn and die, they never see anybody. Having a good SL and squad communication makes a vast difference in this game but sometimes far and few between on pubs.

[past vortex]

its the only thing that makes it worth playing

[fallen ravine]

You wasted your time typing this while it’s been an issue for almost everybody

How much they paying you

[languid zephyr]

Another top 10 server crash decimates a hard day of seeding again for a community

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-meh-disappear-gif-15979358

[slate canopy]

Clown doesn't work for T17, he gets $0.

same as me lol

[cosmic pilot]

Under paid, make a union

[slate canopy]

Hehe, I appreciate the concern 😛

[gentle lintel]

United Brotherhood of Discord Moderators

Sorry polarbear, I don’t know why they don’t use sisterhood

[echo karma]

Oh no... here comes the NCR

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[echo karma]

Legion hold my beer

[river rover]

Not enough.

[river rover]

I'm not having any issues and actually never have with the game. I guess I don't fall into everybody. I've asked our mods if any have had any issue and I don't think they have but they can respond if they have.

[cosmic pilot]

I'm not updating it windows 11

[past vortex]

so you are saying you never had an fatal error?

[wind shore]

Where do I can apply application for developer of Battlefield 6?

Is this BF6 discord? I’m new

[slate canopy]

😒 ... Ya not funny.

[echo karma]

Ban the word bf6 plz

[obtuse dragon]

i wonder...

when will the devs fix the floating piece of metal on the lvl 8 support when using the 90.leichte afrika division

it only happens with that specific cosmetic

and that specific loadout

And like, it's insanely easy to see because... Yk... Floating piece of metal

I have no idea how the devs haven't noticed that

[slate canopy]

You can point it out in #1425052819311955969 😉

[obtuse dragon]

it's been there since the beginning but ty I'll do it

[slate canopy]

They are concentrating on certain things, aka more of the tank issues and connection issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do a hotfix 2. (Hotfix 1 is monday)

[wind shore]

I have heard new map would be soon in November, this is Smolensk map

And hope PTE next wik

Or wikend

[obtuse dragon]

done, i hope this game breaking bug gets fixed

[prisma geyser]

Don't worry it won't.

[obtuse dragon]

then the evil and intimidating piece of metal will stay with us...

[covert elbow]

Any bug that isn’t actually breaking the game won’t get fixed. They don’t have the resources for it

[prisma geyser]

Barring a complete roll back...this game is now a tax write off for T17

[languid zephyr]

k

[feral vine]

Fire it up on xbox

[solar slate]

Supposing the floating piece is part of the mesh and not some crazy bug affecting only this cosmetic in particular, it's a 6-minute job to open the mesh in blender max or maya, delete that bit, import into engine and push up to source control

[river rover]

Never. In the 7 years of playing the game the only time I've ever crashed in game was when the servers would boot out half the people due to body parts colliding. It was a known issue for everyone. Things that aren't affecting everyone and known don't affect me.

[solar slate]

There's no way the devs are that incompetent, they just don't care about the game and are there just to collect a paycheck. Likely also have a rigid triple a structure despite being a much smaller team than that so it's nobody's job to fix

The big publisher model is dying for a reason

[slate canopy]

Let's not.

[covert elbow]

6 minutes is to much time, these guys get paid by the milisecond so they need to be as efficient as potable

[solar slate]

The average UK 3D character artist salary is around 45 000£

[echo karma]

Lemme get that. I can draw 2d booba

45k euro like 20k$

[solar slate]

I don't think the ratio is quite that steep my dear american

Anyways yeah fixing that bug in man-minutes would cost a few quid

[thin lotus]

there’s no way the devs are that incompetent

Uh, yes there is

[echo karma]

Hll Halloween event soon?

[thin lotus]

Also the “big bad management” narrative is especially cringe. Cope, even.

[covert elbow]

Exactly. That’s a lot of money for a poor small indie company to pay their employees!

They have like 30 people! That’s a huge team!

[echo karma]

Its true. Look into the ceo

[thin lotus]

I will not, I do not care.
You judge the product but what they release.

[echo karma]

Look how t17 subsidiary thereselves into many companies

[thin lotus]

They’re the biggest publisher in the uk. That’s what companies do m8

[echo karma]

That's what scammers do

To hide there income

[thin lotus]

Literally doesn’t matter.
You judge the product by what is released

[solar slate]

Yeah the CEO is saving up to have one of the nicer coffees at breakfast

[echo karma]

Look what is released in 4 yrs almost now.

[thin lotus]

I’m not defending this teams crappy output

I know it’s bad

It’s objectively bad

[echo karma]

Sure sounds like your defending t17 there m8

The publisher who ran worms into the ground

[solar slate]

A character artist who knows how to make that skin knows how to delete a floating bit of mesh, let's be real

Of course it's a management/motivation problem

[thin lotus]

I’m sure the artist that was responsible for making soldiers having beady eyes that change color when they all suddenly stare at you at the same time was a management issue too

Big bad management don’t give them enough time me thinks!

[solar slate]

Nice moving of goalpost

[thin lotus]

It’s cope

Everything this team does is unintentionally hilarious

[solar slate]

You graduated from the pol sewer academy of internet arguments i see

[thin lotus]

Huh????

[little otter]

I would love to see the mess-hall develop a game and we could all critique it.

[echo karma]

Quite literally it's all management issues. Managers and game directors tell the interns what to work on then okay there crappy work

[solar slate]

Managers hire the newbies / chase off the vets as well