mess-hall

[severe sleet]

Don't deserve anything better, they have been laughing for more than one year now

[past vortex]

basic economy

cut on QA and lose 10% customers > pay QA

(its not even 10% really)

[severe sleet]

We're review bombing the game again

This time not changing it afterwards

[echo karma]

Just don't buy garbage?

Has anything from t17 impressed you in the last 3 yrs to warrant buying Vietnam?

Obviously no, this game been on life support since

[silk flax]

Need to roll back the update before they lose the player base to BF6. These server crashes are crazy

[echo karma]

This is assumed already.

Every fps around knows about bf6. Even hd2

[silk flax]

It'll be like every other modern hyped game though. Get an influx for the first few months then fade back to the normal player base

[dusty bolt]

I havent changed my negative review in like 2-3 years lol

[echo karma]

Bf has a good core playerbase. Portal is what I'm most hyped for. 2042 portal was very limited imo

[winter rover]

actually hyped for bf6

gonna have DLSS 4

[echo karma]

The mod scene on pc for older titles is insane. Bf3 and bf4

Look at all the games that came from bf3 and bf4 tbf

[winter rover]

HLL basically BF4 hardcore, but player movement slightly slowed down

[echo karma]

Essentially. Squad is bf4. Hardline, ps. There all the same almost

[past vortex]

i have 5000 hours and i hated every second of it

[edgy violet]

Fix the servers man it’s been crashing all day I can’t do anything

[echo karma]

I wanna see the new engine the BR and portal. But I know how BF launches have been previously

[cold island]

Lead dev on holiday bro

Cant do anything am afraid

[echo karma]

Get in s44 waiting room.

[winter rover]

basically gonna bring back Halo 3 custom games lmao

[edgy violet]

Until he sees the player count going down cuz nobody can stay in a match it’s annoying being at 45 medic revives and server crashes

[cold island]

T17 filled with absolute geniuses

[echo karma]

Portal looked insane from what they said and showed. Forge was dope too

It's funny cuz bf3 modded has zombies basicly. For years now

[wind shore]

this is just sad

[dusty bolt]

Arty is also messed up

Cant switch seats without some weird bug/delay

[echo karma]

Idk how yall playing tho. My sht crashes every 5 mins on average. Plus que times. F that

I look at fire, crash

I see tank explode, crash

[tough summit]

so after the recent update i can no longer get in server, it just loads and then says "connection lost" i got 300 hours and ive tried every fix i can think of. Ive reinstalled, verified game files, loaded up training grounds, checked firewall and date and time settings. Im at a complete loss, any one got any ideas?

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-meme-memes-lazy-gameloft-gif-13331850965979112215

[echo karma]

Literally uninstall and go play something better

[tough summit]

honestly not a bad idea, ill just play arma reforger, it looks better runs better and has a better playerbase. Its a shame to see how far this game has fallen since it first came out

[echo karma]

This game is very niche. Nobody even reports on these issues. Meanwhile 50 posts a day about hd2

I'm currently siting in que for arma reforger Vietnam anyways. Death to sky dragon!

[slate canopy]

Allright Muph, we get it.

Have fun playing whatever you're gonna play.

Let people play what they wanna play. 🙂

[winter rover]

https://tenor.com/view/stuka-air-force-ww2-luftwaffe-gif-15002376

yeah im gonna play some IL2

The Stuka D-5 just released

[slate canopy]

have fun If you wanna talk about it, take it to #off-topic-mess-hall , I mean, I'm playing OW right now lol

[echo karma]

Brother, they can't play lmao

[plain glacier]

This probably been asked to death already but I hope to see one day mortars in HLL, I think it would feel more dynamic than the current artillery system just using a already emplaced artillery gun and unlimited shells to full spend

[azure heath]

How are we doing here today?

[echo karma]

Everything we've asked for is in the Vietnam trailer.

[echo karma]

Ntb. Just got like 5 updates for smite2 today. They had the worst patch yesterday in a long time. Alotta bugs

[plain glacier]

ah yes, a game about Vietnam, totally not overdone a dozens times already

[echo karma]

I'd like to see Korean War or iwo jima. Korean War would be dope tho as it's post ww2

Same style vehicles etc

[plain glacier]

I would like to see a korean war game, but the geopolitics about it will not sell well

[crisp wedge]

I think it would especially if it featured a Chinese faction, Chinese gamers would purchase in droves

[plain glacier]

I would like to see HLL focus on around the ww2 era but with different armies than the all so numerous German, American, Russian or British Perspective

[echo karma]

Thus hll will die to Vietnam and s44 will be the last alive

[plain glacier]

tis it is called a world war after all, it not just the superpowers of the world fighting

[echo karma]

You're delusional if you think they can support both titles at the same time

This ain't GGG

[plain glacier]

I can’t think of a game that focus on the winter war or like a Indian or Chinese perspective of that era

[echo karma]

If rising storm got ww2 mods it would be dope

S44 iwo jima was cool but litteraly massive. Better to just play on bf5

[covert iron]

Cant get through a single game without crashing, losing connection to host, High ping or whatever other reason there has been.

[plain glacier]

of course the reason why there so much emphasis on western nations armed conflict games is because that where most players are from, would be a hard sell to market a game about modern African wars when those players aren’t all that familiar with those cultures or conflicts

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/its-genuinely-over-its-over-its-so-over-seal-sad-seal-gif-27054806

[charred anvil]

I recommend testing your update prior to public release.

[winter rover]

Love the iwo map in S44, perfect size imo

[fast jay]

Damn I love when a game breaking updates

Crazy how nature do dat

[dusty bolt]

WHAT

[echo karma]

If player limit was like 200 maybe. That was a 1:1 scale for no reason lol

T17 has no excuse at this point. Plenty other games go into damage control and pump out hotfixes

[fringe hollow]

Other games have dev teams, not an intern trying to update and a hamster wheel running the servers. Ours went to 'Nam

[winter rover]

Because of its size, it offers a lot of different objectives

the 1:1 is great, offers a different experience each game

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-that-makes-too-much-sense-marques-brownlee-just-too-easy-thought-it-was-common-sense-mkbhd-gif-14549384458338694701

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-yourself-tools-hammer-screw-driver-dummy-gif-16097447

QA team hard at work on U18 (colorized)

[faint portal]

There's a QA team!?

[bold breach]

Just checking in if game is still broken?

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i’m-not-original-gif-4077672862622552877

[static folio]

is the vietnam gonna be a is a own game or a dlc asking before i buy hell let loose

ok does that mean vietnam its owe game ?

wanna have a idea so i know

thank you

hope to see you out there one day

[glossy heath]

hi is this where we are trolling the lack of QA our do i need to be in another channel? tia

[faint portal]

I didn't understand this until I saw your pfp and spit out my drink laughing

I was trying to wrap my head around the pregnant guy emoji and what you had said above

[bold breach]

Pregante

[covert elbow]

What’s happened today folks

[echo karma]

My favorite emoji to spam in arc raiders discord

[strange garnet]

It does the opposite. It demonstrates what we can expect with HLLV. I will not be purchasing HLLV unless new executive management is installed.

[covert elbow]

I ain’t buying anything related to HLL until i get verification it won’t be a disaster

[echo karma]

Obviously wait till steam sale. I suspect it either launches summerfest depending how along it is. If not then late late. Unlikely they devolpe a game within a year. Probably been working on it for awhile now

[strange garnet]

Don't you have enough evidence since T17 took over?

[covert elbow]

Yes

[echo karma]

If we don't see an alpha around March then late 2026. We can also check steam to see stuff

Says uploaded to steam June 2024. So around 2 yrs ish

[peak hedge]

Good job on the update, boys. I love the new feature where I drop out of the lobby a couple times a night.

The menu looks great, though

[echo karma]

Just went threw reddit. Wouldn't recommend. It's bad

There's bugs I haven't even seen yet

Haven't checked steam in a while. I know console is around 2k ish if you go by servers

[finite berry]

Because this Discord is an echo chamber and not representative of the actual playerbase.

[covert elbow]

6k peak

[echo karma]

It's lost almost 2k players since the 29th. 24 hr peak of 6k

[finite berry]

Won't happen as it would be disastrous for them.

[echo karma]

August was the lowest dip on steam. October is om track to be lower than August

[covert elbow]

The fact people are leaving (or think they are) HLL for BF6 really tells who the playerbase is

[echo karma]

Also nobody is watching it on twitch

[covert elbow]

Maybe this was all an elaborate scene by the developers to make the casual players leave so we can have our MilSim back

[echo karma]

It's the biggest fps of the year. It's good to respect that

From checking reddit and here there are probably 20 something game breaking bugs and 10 or so annoying ones

Not to mention crashes and optimization

[hallow nest]

it's representative of the dedicated players, ie those who play the most, buy DLC, give game reviews, and most crucially those who play the game, which keeps the game average player count up so people are encouraged to buy a game that is not dead.

[echo karma]

There's nobody watching twitch. So um, yeah. There's also no content creators on yt besides like 2. They've burned everyone

[finite berry]

No, it's not those who play the most, at least not numerically. If that was the case, T17 would listen to ya. At the end of the day, the paying customers matter to T17, and those (in relations to the active and dedicated community here) are the casual players and the tired family dads who hop on to play one match in the evening to relax after a hard day at work

[hallow nest]

September 2025 had the lowest number of players since 2021

If they are only listening to "the paying customers" then apparently those customers aren't playing the game

and banking on casual players who play 1 match before hopping off (who as the evidence suggests aren't coming back) can't be a sound financial strategy, as I don't see them putting the time investment in the game to warrant supporting it via DLC purchases

https://steamdb.info/app/686810/charts/#6y

[empty steppe]

“Next update will revive the player count” they said 💀💀💀

I feel like i was correct for once with my suspicions

[finite berry]

I get that. All I'm trying to say here is that this Discord is not as representative as some people think it is, and that T17 does not HAVE to ask the community "do you like this change"; often, that is even counterproductive.

Plus, the community is only so upset because the update thoroughly broke the entire game, making it unplayable for many players. If that wasn't the case, the update could be just as equally bad as it is now, if it wasn't for the critical bugs, most players probably wouldn't care that much because there's a game they can reliably play.

[empty steppe]

Well we shall see what not listening to the community gets them 😂

[finite berry]

As long enough players keep playing and others keep buying your stuff, you literally don't have to lol

Plus, looks like they didn't implement tinkerer based on community feedback

[hallow nest]

They don't have to limit it to discord, nor are they forced to adhere to the feedback. They could post dev showcases on youtube, steam announcements, etc showing off some of the planned features of the next update, instead of sneaking in changes that were undiscussed with the community. If they notice negative feedback across all platforms, they can adjust.

But right now I have yet to meet a single person in my matches today we said they enjoyed the new death screen or the artillery

[empty steppe]

Give it time, it’ll come back to bite them… just takes a minute 😉

[finite berry]

Naturally, that would be sound to do on their part, I agree.

[analog apex]

yeah but by the time it comes the money bags will be full and they will not care anyway 😬

[hollow lantern]

I guess once the review bombing starts they will show up 🤷‍♂️ , just like all the other companies

[obtuse dragon]

Dude... I miss the old Pavlov house

I think I said it before But jesus Christ, it was really good (to me atleast), if you went from the front you would face an empty space with no cover just because you didn't thought on your moves, it had some good flanking spots But was a solid stronghold

And was, yk, pavlov's house, it caused performance issues and instead of fixing those issues the devs Just demolished the house by adding more trenches and making the place look so different from the actual place

It was lowkey peak, it was pavlov's house, now it's just house

[echo karma]

Anyone got clips of that commander arty wrecking stuff? That must be hell. All your attacking garrisons gone in 3 mins

[hallow nest]

Not sure why the devs saw the long sight lines as an issue. that's the whole point of defense, attacks should be only be rewarded with victory if you actually had some tactics beyond uncoordinated blueberry rush

[echo karma]

They clearly don't know how to make map design nor do they play there own game

[hallow nest]

and yeah I never had an issue attacking it with a coordinated squad. MG suppresses the windows, SL+Medic pop smokes, SMGs rush first through the basements

[echo karma]

Great Alamo spot too

[obtuse dragon]

I feel like the new Stalingrad Is full of cover and effects to hide, while the old one punished you for being careless

[hallow nest]

it really raises the question of why the company that bought HLL decided to utilize developers who don't seem to understand the game itself.

[echo karma]

I mean the Germans have the same sitelines on 1st point. You can shoot the houses in a tank or pak40 across the map

[finite berry]

Because it earns them good money :D

[echo karma]

Steam suggests they've made not even half of what they purchased hll for

Aside taxes on 50mill too

In almost 4 yrs now mind you

[finite berry]

If that was the case, they wouldn't expand on the franchise with HLLV

[echo karma]

T17 as a company is not expression games

Like Microsoft shilling out millions to save Activision

Sooner or later they'll just shut the whole studio down and fire everyone and sell the IP

Or sit on it. Microsoft been known to buy an IP and shutdown the studio

[hallow nest]

100%. Although I'm not going to pretend like old Stalingrad's critical lack of cover in certain areas of the maps was enjoyable, the surplus of cover now means there isn't a point to positional defense. Defending the railway point with just 1 or 2 soviet squads is impossible as there's so many methods of attack from the left of the map; there's no sightlines to hold or anything. It's a cycle of squads going back and forth infilitrating each other. It goes back to the issue of fortifications being useless. When was the last time you saw someone build sandbags or bunkers on a map that wasn't one of the flat fields ones (Utah, Foy, etc)

[echo karma]

Old stallingrad was better in every way. Just laggy cuz the destroyed on soviet side. So many particles

[obtuse dragon]

Now it's just laggy

[echo karma]

It was like a sorta city block too. Yellow house overlooked the middle somewhat. Good Gary spot too.

Germans had height advantage on train somewhat. Russians had garages and big house.

Tank sightlines were perfect imo. Not like kursk where you could shoot into the HQ

[hallow nest]

I almost wish the maps were smaller, as it would force players to hold positions rather than constantly wander around the map looking to get around the enemy garrisons. The early maps like old Hurtgen, Utah, and Foy didn't really have this issue as the wide open fields effectively limited the entire lobby to one or two stretches of woods or buildings.

Imagine a game where its still 50v50, but you're only limited to two objectives; Pavlov's house for the Soviets and one German point nearby. Now that would actually feel like the intensity that Pavlov's house had IRL.

[echo karma]

My guess and I'm no programmer or map designer but the destroyed houses were individually placed. And 1 asset each. And there were a many of them on Russia side and German side 1st point.

[hallow nest]

I would agree but the new updates to artillery call-in and the death screen make it seem like the opposite

[obtuse dragon]

Literally red orchestra 2

[echo karma]

I honestly wanna see a 1000m map just to see how it would work 50v50. The chokepoints on certain maps are nice. Most of the gary spots are known just buy looking at the map. A much larger map say like smdm but scalled up would be cool imo.

[obtuse dragon]

I hope that once we get the objectives gamemode they add the grain elevator

[analog apex]

the question is if OBJECTIVE gamemode will ever see the light of the world

[echo karma]

Its very rarely you see a 50 man push on 1 objective in casual games. In comp you see it alot

[echo karma]

Believe they axed that after the trailer homie

[analog apex]

?

what do you mean by "axed that"

[echo karma]

Well we got skirmish but nobody plays

[echo karma]

Same thing happened to winter warfare

It was scrapped internally

[analog apex]

I just don't understand that word play - "axed that" - you mean they stopped doing it... right?

[crisp lily]

axed that = cancelled

[analog apex]

ok

agreed then

[echo karma]

Terry?

I need a vod bro

[crisp lily]

just watching Razs U18 video.

[pine ember]

Hello Terry, Long time no See

[echo karma]

Yeah looks like weather system was kept from winter warfare albeit wayyy later

I can see the video rn in my brain.

Wtf is t17 doing with HLL

[crisp lily]

I havent played HLL in about a year, I was thinking of booting it up again but ill think ill wait a bit more. U18 doesnt seem to be good so far, at least for tank players. But this is just based of Razs video

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/he's-still-alive-still-alive-hes-still-alive-there-he-is-hes-still-alive-palpatine-gif-13868302489524441629

[echo karma]

It's bad for everyone m8

[covert elbow]

Infantry is also busted because of the FPS drops and crashes

This is genuinely one of the worst updates HLL has ever received

[echo karma]

When alpine don't drop a video you know what's up

[crisp lily]

worse performance than usual?

[covert elbow]

It’s got a couple of good stuff like the new tanker class and support pick ups but the new tank system and arty commander ability are broken

[covert elbow]

Much worse

[echo karma]

There's a bunch of crash issues and probaly 30 known bugs

[covert elbow]

Like crash every 1-3 games worse

[crisp lily]

lol

[covert elbow]

Paid tank skins giving the enemy’s wall hacks was not on my bingo card ngl

[crisp lily]

maybe T17 shouldnt of fired loads of their QA team ages ago

[echo karma]

Hilarious too

[covert elbow]

First ever “pay to lose” in HLL

[covert elbow]

They got rid of everyone

[echo karma]

Lemme just change my skin right here

[covert elbow]

They revealed there’s only 30 devs working on the game rn

Everyone else is on Vietnam

They truly left this game for dead

[echo karma]

I can't find any public info on expression games

[crisp lily]

im also curious about what happened to Cover 6 Studios. They set that studio up internally at T17 for HLL, then they jus disappeared

[covert elbow]

They got deleted

[echo karma]

I think they just did the console port.

[covert elbow]

T17 shut them down almost immediately after forming them

[covert elbow]

That was someone else

[crisp lily]

yeah console port was someone else

[echo karma]

Likely t17 contracted cover6 for something

[covert elbow]

Cover 6 was a T17 studio specifically made for HLL

[pine ember]

I always lose the Connection to the Host

[hallow nest]

I still remember way back when HLL had 2 objectives you had to take in order to advance to the next point. That was a lot fun, when coordinated teams would launch diversion attacks on one objective (huge artillery smoke barrage, having multiple MGs mag dump towards it, etc) whilst doing a huge infantry charge on the weakly defended one. It certainly made recon very useful. not sure why this was ever removed.

[crisp lily]

Cover 6 was formed and owned by T17

[covert elbow]

But they got shut down quickly

[echo karma]

Axed then. Rebranded to expression games

[covert elbow]

To much for the player base to handle ig

[crisp lily]

Expression games is a 3rd partyt contractor

[covert elbow]

HLL went from a Tactical MilSim to a Hardcore Arcade shooter pretty quickly

[echo karma]

See that's what I was thinking. Cover6 had there AAA devs huh

Likely there money is public for t17. I can start there

Q4 is coming up soon

[covert elbow]

Can’t wait for another rushed and unfinished update in time for the Christmas sale

[crisp lily]

so commnader has got artillery strike, is normal artillery in the game still?

[wind shore]

That's really stupid. This game has so much potential. You should do proper advertising, finally listen to the community and bring out new features. I hope so much that they go bankrupt.

[covert elbow]

This game died a while ago tbh

[wind shore]

😔

[covert elbow]

It died when the original devs jumbled the games identity and we’ve been on a slow death sprial ever since

[finite berry]

As far as I know, yes.

[crisp lily]

what started it was the British update. That update was a mess, and it took them months to fix it. It took them like 6 months to make the sten gun shoot correctly. Thats pathetic.

Commander arty + normal arty? lol what a joke. Have the devs played the game before?

[wind shore]

maybe it's for the best to leave that game until the devs listens to the community

[hallow nest]

yes but the devs have said they plan on reworking artillery (I belive they also plan to add SPGs and assault guns) so it seems like it will be getting soem sort of signnificant change soon

[echo karma]

So everPlay is team17 parent company that was just team17 group. Basically some Alabama business stuff. And there most notable purchases are golf with your friends and hll

[finite berry]

Yes :D

[echo karma]

Everplay has 3 studio/publishers under them. 2 of which looks to be mobile games

[covert elbow]

They never said any thing about removing artillery though, which is an issue

Reworking artillery needs to start with the removal of the player controlled HQ guns

[finite berry]

Lmao what? It thought they did?

[covert elbow]

They’ve said the opposite tbh

[finite berry]

?!

[covert elbow]

When asked during the roadmap Q&A they said they were just gonna change up the guns but not remove them

[hallow nest]

why? player controlled HQ guns are a good system, imo. It requires skill and coordination to use, rather than just the commanders clicking buttons on his map

[crisp lily]

the problem is the recon-artillery loop. And arty requires no skill. I believe most people use a website/app that tells you which direction and mil to aim with

[hallow nest]

i mean yeah its OP when properly done, but whats the alternative? and its typically very expensive in munitions. Even with full nodes, as commander Im constantly short of munitions when i've had artillery lighting up an enemy position

[echo karma]

I'm going to assume cover6 studios was abandoned as there social media is silent. No posts and no job listing. Cannot find more info but I didn't really dig either

[covert elbow]

The HQ guns are unreachable and extremely safe ways of completely countering any enemy movement with little to no issue from anyone besides recon.

Speaking of, recon are almost always delegated to arty babysitting which isn’t fun for anyone involved.

The best way forward is for the commander to keep his arty ability (obviously rebalanced and actually thought out), get rid of the HQ guns, and introduce a mortar squad (something already confirmed to be in Vietnam) with a limited range like 500m and can only be resupplied via a jeep or ammo truck

[finite berry]

I literally have no words xD I thought the plan was to implement a commander ability and remove the stationary arty instead. It was already questionable that they added the call-in, but kept the stationary arty, but now it makes even less sense

[hallow nest]

I don't mind a rework for artillery, but it shouldn't entail the removal of player controlled weaponry that requires coordination with the front

[cobalt glade]

Never played it anymore since t17 took over tbh

[covert elbow]

Mortars

[echo karma]

The mills is a very easy system too that a brain dead 18yr old could learn.

[analog apex]

It was never nor was supposed to be a true milsim though. Just some milsim elements. What HLL was supposed to be I would call a "hardcore tactical shooter with milsim elements". Today I call it "casual shooter with hardcore elements".

[covert elbow]

That’s what you’d see on the frontline anyways

[hallow nest]

🤔 yeah that could definitely work

[finite berry]

A commander call-in

[wind shore]

maybe the best decision

[hallow nest]

mortars are definatenly better than a commander call-in. Changing a system that requires coordination of resources, manpower, and targeting within a team to just 1 guy clicking on the map isn't a good idea

[crisp lily]

They could bring mortars in as a separate squad type, which would limit how many mortars can be up at once. If they just give the mortar to a kit like Support, then youll see loads of 1 man mortar squads

[covert elbow]

That why you balance them by having the mortars leave smoke trails or other VFX to indicate where they are. It also allows recon to play a much more tactical role because instead of running to the enemy’s middle HQ every game they actually have to use their eyes and ears to locate and disable the mortar squads.

Also idk what you mean by “everywhere” since it should be a limited thing like 3 squads per game

[covert elbow]

I mean they already do it with bazookas so I wouldn’t be suprised

[hallow nest]

could even be a sort of "support weapons" squad that can also build close support guns, AT weapons, etc

[covert elbow]

But they already showed off mortar squads in Vietnam so now they just need to port the idea to HLL:WW2

Anywhere in a 500m radius with clear visual and sound cues is to somehow worse then artillery locked behind enemy lines or thousands of meters away with a 10 minute run to reach them?

It’s blatantly to strong and needs to be reined in

Poor precision strike man. They haven’t touched that thing in years

Oh my god. Did you actually just say the solution to arty is “rocket sniping”?

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

I swear people will do anything except accepting the reasonable answer

[wide marsh]

Hey is 5ID still around?

[echo karma]

Expression games is a tiny little studio bro. Somewhere between 65 employees to 100. Last known data is from 2024. 500k gross.

There in 90% debt lol

[covert elbow]

That is not a small studio

That is a decently sized studio

30 people is relatively small, and that’s the actual number of devs working on the game as confirmed by the website

[crisp lily]

yeah Expression will probably have a few contracts with other studios providing extra support

[covert elbow]

Im sure they would if they had the money

[finite berry]

But mortars aren't arty.

[covert elbow]

It’s all being funneled into the newest worms game

[echo karma]

They doubled there employee from 2023 to 2024 tho

[covert elbow]

30 are working on HLL:WW2 while 80 are on Vietnam

So 110 in total

That’s the confirmed number

[echo karma]

They have 3 other companies under them. Haven't looked jnto the ceo yet but the financial records look scuffed. Obviously there taking alot of money from t17

[echo karma]

Expression games latest financial records aren't done. Looks like they do them yearly in April. Could look into t17 ig

[covert elbow]

I guarantee you 20 of the devs is management

[echo karma]

Cover6 appears to be completely shut down.

[covert elbow]

They have been for years

[echo karma]

Makes sense tbh. T17 contracts out Expression games. There website is worse than t17 somehow. Can't find any new info

Oh wait gov.uk lol

It says domant company exempt from audits. On 1 company for eg

Don't feel like digging threw t17 financial records. Tldr need find out more info on the ceo dude.

[covert elbow]

Watching Razboras video just reinforced how T17 doesn’t know what a rework is

They’ve just thrown it out as a buzzword since nothing they’ve actually done is a rework. It’s just number updates

[echo karma]

He's the triple AAA dev lol worked on bf1. Credited as ceo of hll

And has mostly worked on some children's game called flips

Bunch of EA games

[thin scarab]

Imo they should Look at S44 Tanks and how they work. And Take that as a example. But that will probs be to much work that they don’t want to do

[covert elbow]

What I’ve been saying for years

They just need to buckle down and focus on each tanks IRL stats and copy them into the game, then add weak points and modules that actually effect the tank rather than the simple “hehe I shoot gun” gameplay we have now

[thin scarab]

Still keep it somewhat casual but with more depth

[covert elbow]

Yep

[echo karma]

I'm convinced there incompetent at this point. And t17 still pays them do this?!?

[crisp lily]

Well, remember when T17 said that moving to UE5 for Vietnam ALLOWS THEM TO PUT SWIMMING AND CLIMBING LADDERS in the game. Implying that in UE4 you cannot swim and climb ladders

[covert elbow]

Add weak points and unique attack marks on the tank for high level players but allow newer/ casual players to still be able to hit obvious weak spots

[echo karma]

I mean the whole studio makes no money. There barely skimming by. No way that ceo making money

[covert elbow]

Apparently you can’t parachute in UE4. I guess all the other games must be government psyops

In reality it’s just the games jumbled mess of a codebase that doesn’t allow for mechanics and features. They states they rebuilt the game from the ground up for Vietnam so they could actively work on the damn thing

[crisp lily]

yeah all those times in Post Scriptum i parachuted in mustve been imagined

[thin scarab]

Im actually scared that HLLV will be the Same Development wise 🥲

[echo karma]

Lol he doesn't use Twitter at all

[covert elbow]

It might be since they have a much larger dev base but I’m not holding out hope

I hope people don’t become sheep and pre-order the game until we get some actual evidence that the devs aren’t incompetent

[crisp lily]

i hope Vietnam will be good

[echo karma]

Apparently the company's under expression are shutdown but still active. Expression has anywhere from 65 to 100 devs if not more if they doubled since last year. And there main game is hll

[thin scarab]

Really Hope that aswell… but looking at HLL now….

[finite berry]

Casual reminder that Armour Overhaul took one year 😄

[echo karma]

T17 just contracts them out for development. Which makes sense cuz Ben is a t17 CM. Theres no expression CM here

[pine ember]

What???

[thin scarab]

Yeah Crazy

[pine ember]

And don’t buy DLC

[finite berry]

I think it did.

[echo karma]

On the fence on pre ordering bf6 tho. Got burned by 2042

[finite berry]

Kedo hates this trick

[thin scarab]

BF6 is already 100 Times better then 2042 from only playing the Beta

[echo karma]

True. I know I'll like it but man the game is gonna be a buggy mess at launch. It is every year bro

[covert elbow]

Casual reminder that overhaul was also one of the worst updates we’ve seen in HLL and it wasn’t even a proper overhaul

[covert elbow]

That guy is a paid shill and I can’t be convinced otherwise

[pine ember]

Well, I dont care. If he thinks he does the right thing ok, but I and others won’t buy it. But its sad that he receives so much attention when there Are others that have good ideas too (or even better since they don’t suggest DLC)

[echo karma]

Server issues with wierd bugs at launch just brother eww. F it

Reckon time to dig threw t17 financial records

[pine ember]

Or just someone who has no idea at all

[covert elbow]

That guy just got lucky with making a solmensk post, he didn’t influence the devs at all

Pretty sure they announcement they were making a Russian map and then he suggested solmensk

[covert elbow]

Alternatively, he’s just stupid

[pine ember]

Yea, most likely. But he suggests countless uniforms no one needs. They aren’t even accurate

[finite berry]

It's this

[echo karma]

@crisp lily no videos in a year brother. Hope you come back

[finite berry]

With Squad 44 content for the extra flex on T17

[pine ember]

I think it was around the Same time. The idea for Smolensk had many players, it often popped up in the Suggestions

[analog apex]

if I remember correctly, he is still just a kid, give him some leeway there 🙂

[covert elbow]

Omg that makes way to much sense, especially considering if he was 18 he would have been shipped to the front

[echo karma]

He gets decent views too for like a smaller streamer. Just love Watching sht a brick over t17

[covert elbow]

Have I been arguing and getting infuriated by a damn 12 year old?

Oh my god I’m ashamed of myself

[echo karma]

No?

[pine ember]

I dont think he’s that Young. I Never saw someone Born in 2013 play HLL

Just block him

[thin scarab]

Hes abit older I heard haha

[echo karma]

Probably gonna leave this discord for bout 2 yrs tho

[analog apex]

I believe he said he is 10, a few months ago.

[covert elbow]

Oh my god someone born in 2013 is 12…

[covert elbow]

I’ve had him blocked for like a year

[echo karma]

You know discord will ban your account

[covert elbow]

Good idea tbh

[covert elbow]

What did you hear? Cause Sam says 10 and that makes sense to me

[pine ember]

Yep, help me, I am old

[covert elbow]

He has the opinions and philosophies of a child

[pine ember]

To me he Said he’s an adult in his 20s

[echo karma]

Me being born in 92 lol

[pine ember]

So nothing here Checks out lol

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/im-feeling-old-right-now-leroy-brown-assisted-living-im-an-old-man-not-young-anymore-gif-22410629

[thin scarab]

He was in a russian Clan and from there i heard hes older then 18 😅

[analog apex]

when? where?

are t

[pine ember]

I can’t remember, somewhere here

[analog apex]

are we talkign about Kedo ,right?

[covert elbow]

Like I said if he was over 18 he’d have been shipped to the front by now

[pine ember]

His age is changing as often as his skin

[analog apex]

and he renamed to Cineman Roll or something like that, right?

[echo karma]

Just search his username filter by messages

[pine ember]

But the age doesn’t matter I think

[thin scarab]

You got a Point there

[echo karma]

Does for discord.

Not to mention all these companies are based out of Britain so...

[analog apex]

☝️

[echo karma]

Ban

[covert elbow]

He was defiantly messing with you there haha

[analog apex]

😄 , in which case I would agree with your previous statement

[pine ember]

He often just writes random stuff

[thin scarab]

Im 18 are we just gonna believe that ? 🤣

[covert elbow]

I’m 74 myself

[pine ember]

I am 42

[covert elbow]

I was born in 1893

[echo karma]

Lol you joke but discord will insta ban you bro

[covert elbow]

Y’know muph

[pine ember]

Ok nevermind

[thin scarab]

Im from 1905

[pine ember]

I Never was Born at all

[covert elbow]

I’m starting to think you weren’t banned from those servers for the reasons you think

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[echo karma]

Look up no text to speech. Great videos bro

[echo karma]

I'm just annoying. I don't threaten ppl or Harris to much

[analog apex]

yo guys... just a seemingly random question - what magnification has Springfield scope in HLL?

[echo karma]

Like 8x?

[pine ember]

Nah, 4x Max

[echo karma]

I lil more than binos

[analog apex]

nope, that's Kar98K and Enfield

[covert elbow]

2.5x I believe

[echo karma]

The brit gun. Probably 4x

[pine ember]

Kar98 my beloved

[analog apex]

I thought 3,75

[covert elbow]

The U.S. army didn’t have that high of a…

[analog apex]

but the truth is, in HLL it has the very same magnification as FG42 with 4x and I noticed it just today

[covert elbow]

I forget the word

Magnification

[echo karma]

German paratrooper gun is 4x. It's relatively tiny compared to binoculars

[icy igloo]

@faint portal W video man hope they fix the game

[covert elbow]

Yes IRL it a 2.5x magnification but idk what it is in game

[echo karma]

Audio is low af in the video

[analog apex]

the same as scoped FG42, so 4x

[echo karma]

Ahahahah the tank going to the moon bro

[covert elbow]

Cringe

[analog apex]

yup

not sure if they changed it at some point or if I didn't notice it for a long time

I was quite surprised today

[echo karma]

I've not sniper as brits yet. I'm usually spotter. Very rarely I get to snipe.

Bro that tank explosion is so bad I'm dieing of laughter. They all get put the tank and go look at it

[analog apex]

and the temporary fire after destroying a vehicle (for around 10s?) looks quite bad too

[echo karma]

It's a 2d static image lol

[covert elbow]

It’s fine. Nothing revolutionary but it would have been a nice supplement to the original explosion but that got rid of it instead for some reason

[echo karma]

I like how they fix the sound then downgrade the visuals.

[covert elbow]

They didn’t though

[echo karma]

Swore they fixed the sound issue last update?

[covert elbow]

The only sound fix was the turret and hull MG’s overlapping on tanks

[echo karma]

Explosion sound issue

[covert elbow]

Other than that the new SFX are crap

[analog apex]

meanwhile... the indoor sound in SME church still F-ed

almost can't hear an enemy shooting from the other side of the church while both inside

[covert elbow]

What a joke this update is

You cant even give an excuse

[echo karma]

Raz is roasting and killing recon HQ campers with a pistol

[covert elbow]

This is just… I’d call it the worst update in HLL history

[pine ember]

U14?

[finite berry]

Wow, you sure? 😄

[covert elbow]

The seemingly only good thing was the support pick up

[echo karma]

Probably by far idk. I mean sprint change was bad bro

[pine ember]

We can’t Even Play Stalingrad because the Game is crashing

[analog apex]

it has good stuffs (pickupable boxes, admin tacMap view, different speeds on different terrains, CMD arty...) but the bad stuff is totally nulifying any satisfaction about those

[echo karma]

And commander arty wtf with arty

[covert elbow]

At least the content was playable. Like it was underwhelming but it was mostly functional

[lime orchid]

new menu screen is nice

[covert elbow]

Apparently the different terrain speeds are broken as there’s no feedback to let you know your in harsher terrain and because the maps are so borked you can’t even visually tell sometimes

[analog apex]

great, HLL is saved 😄 😜

[covert elbow]

That is another plus. The new menu screen is great

[echo karma]

Anyone got crash logs of there game crashing?

[pine ember]

But the new death screen…

[echo karma]

They've been known to make drastic gameplay changes on a whim with no testing at all before. What's new

[covert elbow]

Yea that needs to go

I like how we actually get a distorted screenshot of where we died instead of the black screen but the whole “you lived X long, Killed by X person and X weapon” needs to go ASAP

[covert elbow]

Not like this

But the pattern is saddening

[haughty geode]

We are cooked guys

[echo karma]

Sprint change literally broke the game. Broke the physics. Tanks. Garrisons. Literally everything

The also removed the hedges on smdm and claimed it was a bug on that rework and later reverted it

They shipped the British with the worst guns I've ever seen. Literally unplayable faction

[covert elbow]

Shame they never actually implemented the new hedgerows. Would have made the Normandy maps a lot more excitingly

[echo karma]

Cannot change the flow of a map for no reason than change. There there for a reason

Some of these cut fields in half so you can actually cross the field

[pine ember]

Please revert this update or atleast give us a solid hotfix

[echo karma]

It's clear they knew about these issues before they launched it too

[analog apex]

what I find bad about the update

• tanks geting stuck everywhere and their overall control
• CMD arty killing garries
• separate FOV slider for ADS lets everybody be a sniper
• rockets vs tanks changes
• deathscreen shows our killer
• crewmen are able to build the stuff, making Engineer class almost redundant in relation to the tanks/tankers
• Stalingrad feels even more stuttery than before
• Pavlov's house got unrealistically F-ed

[echo karma]

Gross incompetence. Fire expression games and or t17

Sell the IP to Microsoft and maybe they find a dev team to do better work. Yeah Microsoft bad still but they ain't gonna push these updates

[covert elbow]

That’s a fate worse than death tbh

[pine ember]

Just sell it back to BM XDDD

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[covert elbow]

They just need to make me lead dev. I’ll get the game fixed in a year

[echo karma]

Microsoft wpild have already shutdown expression games by now

[covert elbow]

They’d have shut down the game live service, shelved the game, and let it rot for 20+ years

[analog apex]

I am sure Max is glad he got HLL off his shoulders 😄

[covert elbow]

100%

I got sent a video by smoggless about their new game and they made it apparent HLL wasn’t what they wanted

[echo karma]

It's on gamepass so clearly they see some profit out of it. Particularly the niche console market

[pliant roost]

The sopranos esque ending is more realistic less arcadey

[analog apex]

still, I liked BM's work more... was usually of higher quality than of Team17's (/Expression's)

and at the beginnings, they worked and delivered good updates pretty fast

[covert elbow]

So them getting $50 million along with shedding themselves of the game was a miracle it seems

[echo karma]

Nah BM wasn't christ by nature. Quality was good tho. And they knew how to make trailers

8 months no update. Not a word. Sucks bro. For a game you love

[covert elbow]

Halftracks, jumbo 75mm, flamethrowers, jeeps, precision strike, and the bajillion Normandy maps walk into the room

BM might have been kinda better but they were still awful devs for the games needs

A lot of our problems stem from them not bothering to finish the game

[analog apex]

yes, but comparing to Team17/Expression, I would be glad for BM guys still working on this instead

[covert elbow]

Agreed

[analog apex]

it's like comparing bad and worse but still...

[covert elbow]

But I’d rather we just got a passionate and excited dev team like S:44 has

[echo karma]

Mostly. They would make good ideas. Implement them. Then never touch them again unless we cried in outrage

[covert elbow]

And even then they’d just say “we can’t change it because it’s not possible to”

Like what? You made the sandwich tf you mean you can’t take out the rotting lettuce

[analog apex]

..."because we f-ed up our code" 😄

[echo karma]

They were also a small ish team. And sht started piling up at the end of karkohv update.

[analog apex]

even sooner

but in the beginnings all was just great

[echo karma]

Loadout bug plagued them everyday

[covert elbow]

“We’re sorry we can’t make our game because we forgot halfway through to actual make our code understandable. Here’s some fun new content we thought of in the shower though! That would be cool to add!”

[echo karma]

Every day like 20 dudes. When it getting fixed

[analog apex]

thank God for Team17 for fixing that one though, otherwise we would probably have the bug till now

[echo karma]

Balance changes were questionable too

[covert elbow]

They had no idea what they were doing

Just like T17 they didn’t know what game direction to take so the just threw it into a blender and called it good

[echo karma]

Nah BM was good in there core just tiny and had no resources really

[covert elbow]

They didn’t even bother baking the cake. They just threw a bunch of ingredients into a mixing bowl and called it good

[covert elbow]

Don’t buy that excuse

[echo karma]

This would have been there only game if they stayed.

[silk igloo]

they took it in the right direction with indestructible garris but people whined to no end because of it (me too, probably, cant remember)

[analog apex]

the thing HLL is stills lacking - the vision. I hoped they would present it on that game show or whatever name it had, but all they meant was a the bloody Vietnam.

[heady escarp]

I honestly do not know why bother in changing the death screen when literally no one asked for it

[echo karma]

And the arty change. I agree

[covert elbow]

100% agreed. They need to get a vision and stick with it. Sadly though it seems they want to go in a direction I personally hate

[analog apex]

direction of no vision and casuality

[covert elbow]

It was asked to be updated for a while, but not like this

[echo karma]

I believe armour was just put in to curb manpower

[heady escarp]

Def not like this. Looks like cod

[covert elbow]

No, it’s a direction of a casual simple shooter where you buy cool clothes and run/ gun

[covert elbow]

Agreed. Shame to because the backgrounds fine. They just need to get rid of the info on it

[torn carbon]

Hey guys Im new to this game. Bought it from epic games store.

[covert elbow]

Refund it

[echo karma]

Old recon tank used to farm the whole server till you got rocket sniped. Like 400 kills

[torn carbon]

Why?

[covert elbow]

The game is in an unplayable state at the moment and isn’t worth the money. Wait until the Christmas sale and check back in then to see if it’s playable

Not even being hyperbolic. The games genuinely unplayable for a lot of people due to crashing and server instability coupled with crippling tank changes

[echo karma]

@fluid pawn any word?

[torn carbon]

Ohh thats unfortunate. But ill keep it. I wanna know will i get a match from asia?

[silk igloo]

recon tank is abysmally nonsense anyway. the commander's camera view is so obstructed that you can see anything, and only officers, tankers, recon and support can see the camera spot. it has 100 ammo iirc, and the reload is a whole minute or so, you'd never be able to use them all. everyone can see flare spots though, because that makes sense. i suppose it's highly radioactive and everyone has some sensor that detects when flesh is decomposed by it

[covert elbow]

Idk, I’m an American

[torn carbon]

Do u get like alot of active servers there?

[covert elbow]

Oh another BM fumble, flare guns. Whoever thought they should get the radar effect instead of just lighting up the area needed to be fired

[covert elbow]

Yes

[echo karma]

Another thing copied from bf but I like it that way tbh. Makes sense that recon can see that

[covert elbow]

The whole team can see it

[echo karma]

No. Just SL, support and engy or assault?

[covert elbow]

And it repeaditly update enemy positions for the duration of the flare

[covert elbow]

Everyone

They also changed it so recon planes show up for everyone

[analog apex]

U18 caused this too?

[echo karma]

Could be but I don't think so. When they change planes?

That's busted for assualt

[silk igloo]

it's a neat idea for night maps and T17 has made it illuminate as much as they can to their credit, it just 1. shouldn't have any spot ability 2. should have much more ammo 3. should be for infantry, like the officer or support

[covert elbow]

Nope. That was a shadow change a while ago

Suprised no one’s mentioned it

[echo karma]

Was a perk of playing support

[finite berry]

Is it sadistic if I say that I'm hyped for U19?

[echo karma]

Coming March 2026

[covert elbow]

If we got Sam’s loadout customization it would be awesome to have on SL or assault

[analog apex]

sure? 🤔 because I only saw it with the few classes... or maybe then there was actually nobody

[echo karma]

It will take them 2 months to fix this disaster

So yet again we get 2 updates a year. And this game isint dieing huh

Also lied about everything on the roadmap yet again

[covert elbow]

Man it was funny when this first happened and we all went “no way that just happened. I guess they just needed a break year” and now here we are

[covert elbow]

That’s the sad thing. The roadmaps been followed to a T

[silk igloo]

Seeing enemies in any dark spot is hard even after playing for thousands of hours, so it would be a helpful tool if you want to advance through any forest. Even in daytime foy it's pretty dark there. But since it's so limited by ammo and availability, and the spot power is great, it's never worth it to actually illuminate anything

[covert elbow]

There’s just barely anything on it

[echo karma]

The update after acquisition took like 8 months cuz they broke so much stuff. They redid the roadmap twice I think

[covert elbow]

Night maps need an overhaul to make them actually night anyways. They need custom lighting and ambient VFX. Not this slightly darker moon crap

It’s like BM and T17 had never been outside at night when they made them

[silk igloo]

that'd be RTX + 60 fps tip

[covert elbow]

Yes, but the last 2 years have been to a T

[analog apex]

[caugh] while most of the the lights disappear when we get more than 5 meters away from them [caugh] 😄

[echo karma]

They keep adding Fog which decreases performance and visibility. Fog kinda hides stuff tho and makes it "look" better

[covert elbow]

And despite then saying they could add more, they never do

[covert elbow]

Hm?

[covert elbow]

Yea lmao

[echo karma]

We've got like 3 things in last 4 roadmaps lol

[covert elbow]

Volumetric fog is fun. The old fog on night maps is a joke

[echo karma]

Cough 1945 with no electricity. It wasn't invented yet

Fog and motion blur are bad.

[silk igloo]

raytracing or some other performance-heavy method. iirc in the PTE that had flares, performance would tank when they were fired

[covert elbow]

Litterly couldn’t have just removed the ability to go over 100% brightness. Instead they just added fog to the maps

[heady escarp]

Yeah, it kills the immersion a lot

[covert elbow]

Awh. Usually story then

[analog apex]

Medic overhaul was cheap, MG bipodding was good but they didn't fix the reported remaining problematic spots, this armour overhaul looks like a disaster and the arty overhaul will be good only if HQ arty guns disappear and mortars with SPGs get in. The CMD arty itself needs to be vastly adjusted too.

[echo karma]

It's cuz they disabled Nvidia filters because comp cried about for years

[finite berry]

Medic overhaul can get barely called like that

[covert elbow]

No, comp cried to keep it. Sensible people complained because they broke the games visuals and gave players an advantage when using them

[echo karma]

No faith in t17. Let it burn

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[echo karma]

It is an advantage but I mean, you can just turn ya graphics to low and play that way

[covert elbow]

That’s also what they do

[echo karma]

Tldr Vietnam waiting room.

[analog apex]

and then there are some individuals who would love Reshade to work with HLL

hopefully will never be a thing

but at the same time I am not even sure if I should care/mind because after this one I am not sure if I won't rly leave HLL this time... the game's just too much broken right now

[echo karma]

I don't mind filters but there's no comp scene. Like no e sports whatever. So who cares. I use em on tarkov

I'm also very against 10min heavy timer too.

[analog apex]

yeah like... what's the point of having plenty of fuel if CMD can't buy what he wants with it

[echo karma]

It's basically the devs saying you can play the game how we want you too period

[analog apex]

if they wanted heavies to not be an early tactics thing, they should have made only the 1st initial cooldown longer but keep the remaining subsequent cooldowns the same short

[covert elbow]

I just want the option to choose the admin camera recolors as normal infantry

[echo karma]

Ppl don't build nodes on casual games bro. Like tf. 10mins for a heavy that can't 1 shot a medium and dies to 1 satchel while stuck on a birm

[covert elbow]

It’d be cool to play the game with a band of brother style filter or black and white

[silk igloo]

im sure some monitors can do that

[covert elbow]

But it’d be better if it was a game option

They already have it for admin cams so just add it in the options settings

[analog apex]

Btw., I tested Pz.IV this morning - I killed Stuart with 1 shot from the front with it. I am not a tanker though - is it normal?

[mellow knoll]

Depends. Normal compared to how it was before? No.

[analog apex]

that's what I wanted to know, thx.

[mellow knoll]

It usually took 2 to the front

Or wait did it even? Can't remember LMAO

[analog apex]

I think so too.

[echo karma]

Crazy

[silk igloo]

Normal.

[echo karma]

Still?

[silk igloo]

it's also normal for your heavy to get shot from behind by a light tank, when most of your team is behind you

until they fix that bug im not too worried about all these new ones

[echo karma]

Heavy should die being shot in rear. It is the least armoured bit

Coupla is also a known weakpoint of tiger

Why can smg and bolt action kill 1 shot within 100ms etc but it's unrealistic to apply that logic to tanks?

[finite berry]

Jokes on you, Tiger's rear and side armour is equally thick

[echo karma]

The irony of an armour rework that doesn't even touch the armour. It's still the same models. Nothings changed bro

We changed some numbers around. It's a rework guys. Eat it up. Shoddy af

[analog apex]

not SMGs and 1 hit kill for rifles is 200m... but that's just a side note

SMGs 2 hit kill up to like 75m I think

[echo karma]

Yeah but you get what I mean. It's a hard-core semi realistic game. Yet armour is casual arcadey af

[analog apex]

yep

heavies could/should have a longer 1hit kill or critical damage chance, comparing to mediums

[echo karma]

I would have been fine with them taking say 6 months to completely overhaul armour with full models pen values and ammo types then whatever tf this is

[analog apex]

that would be honestly the best

SQ44 does it so well

[echo karma]

I know. And it's a lil to much. But you learn it fast

[silk igloo]

does SQ44 model damage to the armour plate itself?

[analog apex]

you mean general health of a tank?

[finite berry]

Yes, hull integrity is a thing

[echo karma]

Each armour peice has like a health bar kinda. And then total health and each gun has a pen value with how much damage it does. Kinda like wt

[finite berry]

But usually tank kills are often from engine/fuel fires

[echo karma]

Ammo cookoffs too

Fire is a big issue in that game too

[analog apex]

nothing of such in HLL 😬

[silk igloo]

Wow. Entire hull though, not divided by front/side/rear sections or such?

[finite berry]

That's the end result of a fire not getting put out

[finite berry]

Yes

[echo karma]

Not to mention probaly like 100 different vehicles

They put all the mods into the base game

[silk igloo]

I was thinking that they could add something like that to HLL, where any AT weapon would damage even the front of heavies a tiny bit (even without penetration), and eventually it would croak. Each side of the tank, top and bottom, having their own HP

[orchid dawn]

it was a one shot to the hull before and after this update

[echo karma]

They could but it's alotta work honestly. At least 6 months.

Then ther3s balance and such. 88 would be dominate

[finite berry]

Hull
-left track
-right track
-engine
-fuel tanks
-ammo racks
-cannon
-periscopes
-transmission

You can kill a tank by
-detonating the ammo
-causing a fire (not extinguished leads to a visually impressive ammo cook-off)
-component kill (three core modules destroyed)
-too much hull damage

[echo karma]

Note too it's usually a fair amount of shots no.

Depending on where you hit

Can ricochet too

[finite berry]

Plus, spaced armour like side skirts are a thing, but they only catch the first shot and after that they fall off. And Pz IV side skirts consist out of individually modelled armour plates

[echo karma]

And mind you some of those are old mods that random dudes made out of passion.

Ps only bought a few mods?

[finite berry]

Yes

[analog apex]

When looking at the SQ44's armour system, it just keeps reminding one that HLL tank overhaul is a pure joke in comparison.

[finite berry]

The big armour update was basically the mod work of one guy, I think

[echo karma]

Gotta hire them dudes. That work is crazy bro. 1 dude

That mfer love him some ps

[echo karma]

They've had many and I mean many a suggested in this discord alone on fixes and things we'd like to see and have capitalized on none of them.

[analog apex]

sounds like HLL devs... no matter if the old or new ones

[echo karma]

Pure laziness. Or lack of funding but that can't be the case

They legit push 2 tu a year now

[analog apex]

yeah, 2 updates this year is it as well... or are there 3?

[echo karma]

It takes what 3 months to push it, then 3 or so to fix it

3 months 60 odd devs. For a map?

Meanwhile 2 dudes at s44 make iwo jima 1:1 scale

[echo karma]

I think 2. Its been 3 yrs. 4 updates. Title updates. 15 was the biggin supposed to fix everything

[silk igloo]

I mean, ideally, every plate of armour would be modeled, so that eventually almost-penetrating hits would tear it, destroy the rivets or welds and such. It could be simulated in a simpler way with total HP of a tank's side, with different damage multipliers for every AT weapon, so that it'd take ten thousand shots with a PTRS-41, but a sherman would eventually penetrate destroy a tiger from the front.

[echo karma]

Yes but a medium Sherman stands no chance in hell vd a tiger. Unless like 4 of em.

The front plate alone deters a medium Sherman

Not to mention the gun

[silk igloo]

The tiger would have to fall back to repair eventually, as the damage from bazookas and 75mm guns accumulates

[echo karma]

Ideally a tiger would 1 shot a medium no problem. Probably overpressure if AP. Probably kill it with HE easy. Bazooka would do nothing unless side pen or tracks. Also tracks would be a huge detriment to tigers or heavy. Your tracked your basicly stuck

[finite berry]

Naturally, but that would truly be hyperrealistic, haha

[echo karma]

Could AT the engine too. Satchels Ideally would be great at knocking tracks and engines

Mines would still be viable

Plus I mean Sherman's had a very short barrel. I'd have to look at numbers for estimates on pen.

[analog apex]

about the AT mines... they should be lowered so they are in the ground and visible just barely. Especially the US ones.

[echo karma]

Yes, we should be able to "build" or dig them down per se

[analog apex]

they should be on top of the ground only on the solid surface (asphalt, rockface, interiors...)

[echo karma]

Engy has a build function but can't build nothing bro. Where's the MG emplacements

[analog apex]

even old H&D2 worked like that - the mines were deep/notDeep depending on which sruface/where we placed them and that's a 22 years old game.

[echo karma]

Probaly to hard to code huh

[echo karma]

Squads it works like a charm. Gets em every time on the bridge

And yet again compete radio silence from our CM

[analog apex]

he is not online... maybe vacation or something?

[finite berry]

Vacation, yes

[worthy charm]

He is on vacation indeed

until end of next week

Give the man his free time.

[echo karma]

Ahh how we miss you

[echo karma]

Bahahah what is the irony

[pliant roost]

Seems ill-timed

[worthy charm]

The man aint fixing this anyway, the devs gotta do that.

You all wouldnt be happy anyway with any statement he could put out

[pliant roost]

Chief doesnt go on holiday the day his squaws all go to war

Maybe it was deliberately timed

[worthy charm]

So youre telling me the B in BenB really stands for Boss

Drew was right

omg

[fleet jacinth]

The silence from them is deafening.

[fervent dagger]

You guys think the SPAs will also be able to destroy garrisons?

[echo karma]

Don't slander him. We know what it stands for

[echo karma]

Nah you right tho. Crazy everybody takes off work for a week on the worst update the game has ever gotten. Might sus

[finite berry]

Nah, that's bs

Even if he cancelled his vacation (!), that wouldn't get the hotfix out faster

[echo karma]

Been saying t17 has the worst management since blizzard

[pine ember]

#1425786288115548170 message Made me sad to write this

[echo karma]

No, not specifically him. The whole dev team and management

I mean he works for t17. So just weird coincidence

Is Greg on?

[worthy charm]

Fool me once blame them, Fool me twice blame me, but fool me thrice im gonna be mad.

[echo karma]

You the one who told em commander arty can kill garrisons huh

[worthy charm]

Me, im not even a WC I dont have to say nothing

[echo karma]

Was commander arty even in the pte? I can't see the channel anymore

[worthy charm]

What I mean is we had this problem a few years ago with BM

[echo karma]

Yeah it was good change too

[worthy charm]

Back then arty could destroy garrisions and outposts, what I mean is that I dont know why they would add it with this one.

I dont want to advertise but go look Raz recent video (he puts it well)

[echo karma]

Seems It's coded to do that by default and idk. If you code it up, you have to make it do specific things so

[echo karma]

Already watched. Superb

As far as tank changes those are all just number changes in the code. There's significant balance ideas that have to take place. Realism etc and they obviously changed the actual models somehow too

[silk igloo]

the terrain has to be new code though

[echo karma]

I'd have to see the code to really tell ya and there not gonna let me see. The code and directories tell you alot about a person

[worthy charm]

I think the models are the same but how the collision with models works was changed so tanks can traverse trenches.

Im clueless obviously but I would bet my money on that being the issue

[echo karma]

Yeah from video to game is not the same lol maybe they tested in practice mode?

[worthy charm]

Idk

Did they test this... :}

[echo karma]

Changing all the grounds is unlikely tho. Something on the tank was changed. Most likely the model

[fervent dagger]

Regular tanks can do it can’t they? Guess it will depend how they fire

[echo karma]

Hence tank skins

If Gebatron was here he'd tell us

[worthy charm]

@finite berry It took me like so long to understand why you gave me the toilet

[fervent dagger]

As someone who has worked on games they almost certainly did. Don’t know the full context but I’m sure of that much.

[novel geyser]

I think they should do the ultimate garrison destruction by removing them from the game

[echo karma]

I think they tested in a closed environment with no ping issues at all obviously and tested everything that was changed albeit lazy. Just pick a number and call it. Hence why the luchs is in such a bad state while firing

Also the feel of heavy tanks is vastly different

[worthy charm]

Buff 👏
the 👏
Luchs 👏
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1425618436838527130

[lavish kernel]

This armor rework is absolutely awful

[echo karma]

I agree. Rn they need to revert all changes and scrap it all

[worthy charm]

Why scrap it tho?

[novel geyser]

Game dev is fixing a game to perfection then it all breaks again when it goes live

[worthy charm]

Wouldnt the tanks drive as bad es they do it would be fine

[echo karma]

It's shoddy lazy work. They changed numbers

[novel geyser]

Update should not be reverted lmao people kneejerk that response too often

[finite berry]

;)

[echo karma]

It does not make the game appealing at all

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-thankyou-michael-scott-theoffice-thanks-gif-9222847

[echo karma]

For one its the crashing. And 2 majority of changes are disliked

[worthy charm]

Also if it would actually help, they would just fix the issues and then put it on the live servers again.

[novel geyser]

Most wingy community of all gamering
And that's coming from a top winger

[lavish kernel]

I am glad they made the medium tanks viable but the driving and interaction with the environment is terrible. I have never seen so many stuck on rocks and rubble, and the biggest salt to that wound is that they hyped improving going over obstacles

[worthy charm]

This community only is made out of top wingers

[echo karma]

It would be good QA too. Save face. It's okay to F up from time to time. Not 4 updates in row tho

[novel geyser]

Idk any game that's reverted and update tbh

[lavish kernel]

Can they also do a poll on the stupid fog? I have never heard anyone saying "you know what would make this map better? Volumetric fog, thats what we as gamers crave"

[echo karma]

The only significant changes we've had was loadout bug. Nade bug. Some flamethrower buffs. Brits overhaul and that's it past 3 yrs maybe some other little things. The dive to prone. Map changes to old maps and the 3 new maps

[echo karma]

There's been a plenty. GGG did it one time on league start bro. Like 300k ppl logging in and they couldn't log in. Reverted it. Fixed it and we launched late

[peak hedge]

OMG

[echo karma]

Warframe has did it too

[peak hedge]

Artie striek is so sexy

[novel geyser]

Idk what that is

[finite berry]

Same

[echo karma]

Path of exile. Massive arpg with a rather large cult following

[novel geyser]

Ah

Weeell I've never heard of that happening so it clearly never happened

[peak hedge]

One more tihing to drive commander crazy

[echo karma]

Very vocal community too. They'll tell you when something ain't right. And they won't buy your mtx

[peak hedge]

Thanks, dicker dodgers

So glad you gave us another thing that doesn;t work

[echo karma]

Is it rude to ask if he is a bot?

Year old account with no roles

[peak hedge]

At least the menu looks 18% fancier

and the UiI is new

good job

[slate canopy]

If you wanna talk about other games, please take to off topic #off-topic-mess-hall

[sick bramble]

:nerdemoji: 🥀🥀🥀

[echo karma]

Lol we're all shting on t17 in here bro

[lavish kernel]

1. get rid of the stupid gear noises and extra audio for players in the tank, I already have my SFX turned down to 50% pre update just to hear unit/command chat. 2. take that new stupid fire explosion effect out, it looks so much worse than the previous version. 3. fix the ground clearance of every tank, a Tiger 1 should not be stuck on a pebble. 4. shorten the duration of the commander arty strike (while static HQ arty is still in the game) ore make cooldown longer and it should not destroy garrisons. 5. add 1 or 2 weak spots to the front plate of heavy tanks (ex: driver viewport command cupola)

[viscid bane]

Someday there will be an HLL update which do not broke the game or ruin it.

Someday. Meanwhile I'll go play Worms Armageddon.

[echo karma]

Yeah hllV

Launch day

[gentle lintel]

The community manager is on vacation.

[faint portal]

FINALLY
Someone else talking about how that gear noise is out of place

[wind shore]

Would look better on their end communicating to us rather than being quiet…after their worst update to date

I’m not a tanker haven’t tested tanks yet, but what I like from this update it’s new refreshed map ( only it missing it’s Pavlovs house ), new map

[lavish kernel]

I love the audio in HLL, but I have to turn it down to near nothing so I can communicate with my crew

[wind shore]

When HLLV releases

[novel geyser]

And people will still find something to complain about

[wind shore]

And other things like arty new ambience I like it

[novel geyser]

Erm it's realistic tho 🤓

[dusty bolt]

@fluid pawn hello ?

[hybrid sage]

His collars blue but his neck is red, hes been workin like a dog just to keep his family fed 💔 🥀

[dusty bolt]

This how it ends huh

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/ntn-gif-6870484928331560005

[dusty bolt]

But then again, y’all don’t even play your own game so how would you know that it’s broken

[pine ember]

Just give us a good hotfix and please listen to the core community again

[haughty geode]

Yes, this is needed!

[hybrid sage]

if only that guy learned to use emojis.. correctly?

[worthy charm]

You know he is on vacation 😭

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-b-that-this-man-big-chungus-reddit-gif-16394899

[pine ember]

Bro hasnt played a match I guess

[past vortex]

i mean... there IS ONE good thing in the update
and another one that is mostly good but a bit bothched

[past vortex]

yk what, i can play just fine

lol

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i’m-not-original-gif-4077672862622552877

[pine ember]

I didnt even get into a match and when I did it crashed multiple times

[past vortex]

yea its strange like always

[languid halo]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[past vortex]

did you check that you are really on dx11?

[finite berry]

No, it's b

[hybrid sage]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-life-a-bugs-life-bruh-not-smiling-ants-not-smiling-gif-8815283262918161887

[worthy charm]

Say that after trying it please :}

Why is chat getting baited btw?

[hybrid sage]

fisherman in town

[past vortex]

he cant, s44 would lose 1% of its player base

[hybrid sage]

we are all drone fish trying to avoid bait

[past vortex]

i mean the lowrider jokes in vc where quite funny for the 1st 2 games

so there is that

[river rover]

For those in the UK that means he's on "Holiday". 😛

[hybrid sage]

...

[worthy charm]

I dont speak no english sorry

[past vortex]

thats how i learned it in school

[hybrid sage]

it took u that long to find the baby emoji? holy

what

[past vortex]

it sure looks like you do

[static zinc]

hellooooo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116536138627293285/1425800773056335974/attachment.gif

is this actually true

[worthy charm]

That his contact isnt here?

Yes if he says so obviously thats true

[finite berry]

Yes, but taken out of context

[static zinc]

gawd dayummmm

[dusty bolt]

@plush gazelle are you still with us

[worthy charm]

Dont

[dusty bolt]

Oh I thought you got zapped

[worthy charm]

No

[hybrid sage]

I thought terry got nuked too

[worthy charm]

How many alts can one man have?

[dusty bolt]

I got zapped once for telling the devs to put the crack pipe down

[hybrid sage]

what?

[worthy charm]

And why bother coming here again and again?

[silk igloo]

you weren't here to see krupp and his dozens of alts?

[cosmic pilot]

Word begins with an r

[dusty bolt]

Why did Terry get nuked

[hybrid sage]

idk

[past vortex]

how terryble

[dusty bolt]

@worthy charm

[worthy charm]

German jokes in its finest from

[worthy charm]

huh?

[dusty bolt]

Where Terry

[worthy charm]

I already answered... not sure what to say

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-animal-animals-horse-remembers-gif-4525840217462590348

[worthy charm]

He can always do a ban appeal if he so desires

[dusty bolt]

She

[worthy charm]

but again what do you want me to say?

[wind shore]

Who cares

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[gilded spade]

https://tenor.com/view/het-eiland-eiland-franky-veranderen-alles-is-hier-aant-veranderen-gif-20356272

[hybrid sage]

You know Terry is an entirely different person dont you? Are you involved at all with the competitive side of HLL? You would know shes been an organizer for multiple tournaments

Maybe if you were better at your job, you wouldnt be kicking people for your own schizophrenic hunches

[cyan saddle]

If anyone thinks they were treated unfairly they can reach out either via modmail or via appeal.

[hybrid sage]

lmao

The incompetency at the higher level trickles down doesnt it

[vale garnet]

Tbf terry is Australian and that’s a crime

[hybrid sage]

Hopefully she gets unbanned and the people who enable it take responsibility

[past vortex]

maybe read back a bit if you gonna troll a discord next time :}

[vale garnet]

Get em nami

Attack!

[hybrid sage]

she got nuked cuz some drone thought she was an alt account without checking first using an ounce of due diligence

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/he-aint-lying-lyin-not-gif-18986538

[vale garnet]

And that is why this disc is 90% for taking the piss

Just make role players angry and then leave ez

[hybrid sage]

Fair point

[past vortex]

strange hobby

[vale garnet]

Bring back faster sprint speed people who didn’t like it were just coping that their 50yo boomer reactions couldn’t keep up

[hybrid sage]

the el al release was fire

[vale garnet]

If you play medic you deserve to be TKed

[meager timber]

New kill screen was fine but would've preferred a kill cam also

[past vortex]

ohno the whole 82nd is raiding now :D

its over

[vale garnet]

I’m not 82AD that’s highly offensive

[grizzled kiln]

Or , are you ?? 😮

[low glen]

The performanceon staling is very poor a massive micro lag.
Just like hill400 or hartgenoten forest. These maps are unplayable more maps have the same issue.
Need a performancehot fix!

[pseudo rock]

I think you will find its hard to fix the original spaghetti code for the devs, its will break the game more

[low glen]

These maps used to run fine in the beginning when the game just released. They messed them up just put the old coding back. Lmao

[broken shoal]

Small indie company cant do a hotfix.

[sturdy bridge]

I would like you to say "Hello my brain is smooth"

[worthy charm]

Would that make you feel better?

[pseudo rock]

Your on ps remember your hardwear holds you back also pc had the game a full year before you, they maps have never been fine 👍

[cosmic pilot]

Don't make him feel better

[broken shoal]

Yesterday a tiger got stuck in the railroad in carentan. In the literal railroad.

[cosmic pilot]

Make him feel worse

[sturdy bridge]

spit on me

[worthy charm]

I wouldnt go that far

[worthy charm]

Oh god

[broken shoal]

Also the commander artillery is brokenn af

[worthy charm]

Driving over anything is really bugged now, I drive over these rails with a Pz4 and it was so horrible.

[hybrid sage]

she still banned or is it still an alt account in your brain?

[worthy charm]

#mess-hall message

:}

[sturdy bridge]

#mess-hall message

🙂

[worthy charm]

I rather not really

[hybrid sage]

why do they need to make an appeal when you are objectively in the wrong lol

[worthy charm]

Even if it makes you feel better

[sharp kite]

guilty until proven innocent

[finite berry]

Can I spit on him

[vale garnet]

Is Terry related to Steve Irwin?

[hybrid sage]

she got stingrayed twin

[worthy charm]

If he wants but maybe do that in the dms

[vale garnet]

Wait isn’t Steve Irwin’s wife literally called Terry

I’m not imagining that right?

[sturdy bridge]

free terry! she din do nuffin

[hybrid sage]

all these people must be alts! ban them immediately!

[broken shoal]

Ban hll from steam

[vale garnet]

I’m an alt of an alt of an alt

[worthy charm]

An alf of an alf of an alf?

[past vortex]

ich bin auch alt

[inner flame]

Free terry pls

[vale garnet]

Wait I’ll write it in her language

ʎɹɹǝʇ ǝǝɹℲ

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-gif-gif-13325142117509609444

[grizzled kiln]

Raz keepin' it real. Minimal to no testing of this update. Same as always 😄 Straight to prod. We don't need no stinkin' QA !

[river rover]

It was PTE'd like all others.

[past vortex]

yea and we knew it was bad after that, i personally knew they would release it in cold blood anyway :D

[vale garnet]

We all said it sucked during PTE

[low glen]

Lol a playstation 5 pro runs better then most pc's now a days.
Like i said before the maps where just fine when the game just released back on the days no micro lag nothing.
Dont know if you played on console when the game just released ?
Because we had none of these issues.

[split ridge]

It was also PTE'd on one map

[vale garnet]

I actually think the update would’ve been good if it wasn’t broken, the ideas themselves are fine

[split ridge]

No US,no Panther etc.

[grizzled kiln]

Seriously ?? LOL

[vale garnet]

I like the 2 heavies and the cooldown, I also like new Stalingrad

[pseudo rock]

Dunno where you get your information from brother 👍

[vale garnet]

It’s just broken

[low glen]

If you did not update your pc specs the last 2 years then yes the ps5 pro runs better than most pc's.

[pseudo rock]

No it does not

[gilded spade]

Does somebody know if they are planning to say something about the issues with this update?

[pseudo rock]

Anyway i have work to do have s great day everyone 👍

[vale garnet]

It’s t17 so no

[finite berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/538055883075354637/1425201498769330216/image.png?ex=68e8b414&is=68e76294&hm=7146bee4358b02712a03b023664be4197f34320d173870862c91d0915cf35876&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[split ridge]

Dev team is on vacation on a remote island in the Azores with no internet

[gilded spade]

Right 🤣

[hybrid sage]

"In particular we will be extremely interested to hear feedback on everything new coming to Stalingrad" from the last PTE they accounced on Steam. Nowhere was our opinion on Armor mentioned lol

[vale garnet]

Tankers don’t have rights

[hybrid sage]

dw guys, there was a PTE just like all the other updates!

[sturdy bridge]

do you even play this game?

[river rover]

Haven't for some time too busy. I have my 1700+ hours I think. 😉

[vale garnet]

I love having to prep for a comp game on Sunday with no idea of if we’ll even be playing this version

[hybrid sage]

1700 is probably the highest of anyone else tbf

400 is prob the avg

[vale garnet]

I’m on like 2500? I think?

[pine hull]

You can plan for something else this evening, we will play for like 10 minutes until the server crashes

[hybrid sage]

of the people whos voices matter i mean alf, we are just mere peasants

[vale garnet]

Can we agree to melee only

[hybrid sage]

very low down on the totem pole

[vale garnet]

Get postal out of a bush with the knife

[river rover]

I haven't unfortunately been able to play for the last 2 releases. 😭

[pine hull]

We will all sit in HQ and yeet flying tanks on your heads

[river rover]

If I were able to I'd probably be at 300+ hours

[nova pivot]

@lost pulsar where is Ben?

[delicate mortar]

vacation

[finite berry]

Told you that they will fix U18's most glaring issues as a priority

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-floppa-sad-it's-over-rain-gif-2614335113295818251

[neat urchin]

get'em @lost pulsar But for real fix the game or revert to update 17 please lolol

[nova pivot]

I feel like that

[fleet jacinth]

Ah finally, they speak #telegrams

[hybrid sage]

nothing wrong with "my bad guys, we gotta roll it back until we get our stuff together"

[fleet jacinth]

I'm also fine with what they just posted in #telegrams , a least now we know they're aware and looking into the issues.

[cosmic pilot]

Pls don't hotfix the arty 🙏

[static swallow]

Tell em cap

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/conducting-dr-lee-drumline-gif-16737588789260951637

[worn elbow]

Are we getting any compensation for the amount of xp lost from technical issues in the game

[cosmic pilot]

No

[low glen]

Yes it does! So your telling me your 2020 pc build out numbers the ps5 pro ? Dont think so!
Look up the specs.
You just dont want admit it because you are on pc. It's oke my beloved friend.

[worn elbow]

Am I the only one or does anyone else think the older blackout death screen is better

[worn elbow]

Fym no

[finite berry]

They won't roll it back, it wouldn't make any sense to do that

[river rover]

You don't lose any.

[finite berry]

Everyone else thinks that

[swift nacelle]

Is it really that hard to release an update without a single bug? I'm disappointed again.

[cosmic pilot]

It's a silly request

[analog blade]

Your fine with it coming straight down from the heavens, destroying garrisons, and being able to use it every 5 minutes?

[worn elbow]

But neither do you get any when the game decides to disconnect because it had a fatal error

[nova pivot]

I love your pfp

[finite berry]

Unironically, yes, it is. Every update comes with bugs, although having such gamebreaking and obvious bugs comes down to a lack of testing and sheer incompetence on T17's part

[cosmic pilot]

Yes.
The only concession I'm willing to make is either longer reload or keep it to five minutes but reduce the duration

I also think there should be a 2-3min calli n delay

[pseudo rock]

My 2020 build 😂

[analog blade]

Yeah but atleast give it a somewhat realistic trajectory 😅

[finite berry]

By the way, can someone explain to me as a non-HLL-player why it's so bad that the new artillery can take out garrisons (was that the squad spawn or a team spawn)? Genuine question.

[nova pivot]

I love how Greg looks like he is going to bury someone in his garden, And Ben looks like that friend you call for moving a sofa

[cosmic pilot]

It's not bad, it's good.
The only reason it's bad is because garrison placement is too predictable.

[pseudo rock]

Please do your research 👍

[split ridge]

Still no telegrams on Terry's ban

[analog blade]

A non HLL player? Wtf are you here for then lol