mess-hall

[worthy charm]

When will they give the little boi his driver mg

WHEN!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-beg-im-begging-you-please-desperate-gif-7244157

[wind shore]

I want to see you when you would be with out discord, and other stuff working normally,so of course his internet is more stable

[empty steppe]

Respectable crash out

[spring wagon]

@worthy charm damn you're right they are increasing the health of the heavy by a good amount

like 20%

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/yang-was-right-iwas-right-shocker-andrew-yang-gif-18074450

xD

[spring wagon]

that's 1 extra hit

[worthy charm]

Kidding of course Im wrong more than I want to admit

[spring wagon]

well you were right this time

did you actually read the entire patch note though

I could never

[cyan saddle]

@worthy charm trying to steal my "usually wrong" title but failing as per usual

[worthy charm]

Mostly the tank part... I dont really care about the stalingrad rework that much.

[empty steppe]

Boo hoo laggingrad

[worthy charm]

Im trying my best, but at least its not a complete lie, unlike when you had it.

[worthy charm]

Stuttergrad is better, you know cause it starts with S

[empty steppe]

Sry mb, gotta wait for Leningrad to come out 🫠

[spring wagon]

Interesting okay

[empty steppe]

Let’s talk about pancakes

[finite berry]

no, let's talk about flop

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-caracal-angry-flopping-gif-22573853

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-flop-flopping-i-love-to-flop-big-floppa-gif-25588715

[azure heath]

BA-10 is the best recon tank

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-floppa-gosha-hl2r34-gif-25072546

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-small-floppa-baby-floppa-kitten-gif-17785342143018081133

[cyan saddle]

The floppas, they're multiplying

[empty steppe]

I could get on board with that

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-big-floppa-kitty-review-gif-21384663

[empty steppe]

Anything non hell let loose related is the better for the mess hall

https://tenor.com/j0r7giKmMTf.gif

[thin lotus]

Dark Soul's tier KILLED IN ACTION font animation

why

[wintry thistle]

Wasn’t used in Rome

[finite berry]

And it wasn't that salute either

[wintry thistle]

Yeah that too

[hasty ore]

oh is there an artillery rework coming? was just looking at the update news and saw the reference to it

i like the new commander ability to drop an arty strike too, noice

[worthy charm]

U19 with spgs

U18 I guess is only the first part

[finite berry]

Now all they have to do is remove the currently existing artillery

[hasty ore]

...spgs?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[finite berry]

Self-propelled guns

Big guns mounted on tank chassis

[hasty ore]

you don't LIKE random locked 1 man squads using up all the munitions while hitting nothing but blueberries?

anyone know what the arty rework will entail? move all arty to just commander, or simply redefining how inf use it?

[finite berry]

I indeed don't like that :D shocking, I know

[past vortex]

triple the arty !

[worthy charm]

then give us mortars

[spring wagon]

I spent like 5 minutes running behind a tank trying to put an AP mine on it thinking it was a satchel lol

[faint portal]

can confirm
satchel still one shot
pzschrek can still pen front of M4 sherman. So dmg reduced but penetration is unchanged

[spring wagon]

pzschrek?

[faint portal]

Panzerschreck, sorry shortening it lol

[hexed kraken]

We need the 75 heavy to not apply to the 2 heavy limit. It's going to be indefensible to request it if it means you can only have a single 76 (i.e. heavy killer) on the field. Before, if you had two 76s on the field you could meme the 75 as the third tank but now it doesn't work unless they have no armor squads.

[faint portal]

can confirm you can spawn 2 heavies. So 2 heavies of the same kind is possible

however the 75 jumbo DOES impact your overall heavy count

[past vortex]

thanks raz

[spring wagon]

wait so you're saying panzerschreck can destroy a sherman from the front?

[hexed kraken]

That's what i'm talking about. That's a bad thing for 75 memers

[worthy charm]

Yes?

[faint portal]

M4 sherman, not 76 jumbo.

So it's the same as it was

[worthy charm]

Always could

[faint portal]

100% agreed

[spring wagon]

I thought you always had to hit the engine from the backside

what about from the side?

[past vortex]

why isnt anyone thinking of the poor 75 memers

[faint portal]

piat and pzschrek are med penetration

[spring wagon]

ohh

[faint portal]

so think med tanks, where as bazooka is light penetration

[spring wagon]

interesting okay thanks

[spring wagon]

asking for bazooka and pzschrek

[rough gazelle]

Hey, just curious, in u17.1 this is mentioned
"Please note that server owners will have the option to disable dynamic weather with the launch of version 17.1."

How do we do this?

[wind shore]

Oh that’s bad

[faint portal]

same mechanics, unchanged from U17

penetration values the same so bazooka can not. Assume front is "strongest" armor so if it can pen front it can pen any side

[rough gazelle]

why is it bad?

[wind shore]

Disable dynamic weather

[spring wagon]

cool ok

[azure heath]

RIP medium shermans and t34s

[wind shore]

What version T-34 use in game

76?

[past vortex]

@faint portal did you notice how the AT table has the same values for schreck and zooka

that makes no sense unless they nerfed the schreck

[past vortex]

yes

[echo karma]

You can pen medium front plate? Tankin cooked bro

[viscid socket]

Excited to try out this update. Tank rework is long overdue.

[past vortex]

always could

[echo karma]

I've always just targeted rear. It probably did no damage huh

[faint portal]

that's always been a thing. Never changed. All that is changed now is it takes 3 shots to kill rather than 2

[echo karma]

So a waste of a time. Is explosive spam nerfed?

[charred flume]

Shermans aren’t really known to have a ton of armor tbf

They sacrifice it for mobility

[echo karma]

Feel like AT needs a cooldown like supplies

[faint portal]

it's always been a waste. That's why pz4 is superior

It evens out when facing UK forces tho b/c piat has same dmg. About "266-300" dmg is what it does now which is 1/3 the health of the medium tanks

[faint portal]

explosive spam is the same, however the amount of hits has been increased which i think is a fine balance

[echo karma]

Can you link that doc?

[echo karma]

Yeah 1 thing I feared with tank update. I don't think tinker offsets. Most ppl will choose mobility

[faint portal]

It's in the dev brief

[echo karma]

A competent squad has enough AT to destroy 3 objectives. With support

[faint portal]

https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/update-18-changelog

My website will be updated with all the data as well here: https://hll-armor-hub.com

[echo karma]

Guess Geb left us huh

Holy F that website is trash. Someone link patch notes? I see spawn time was adjusted

[silk igloo]

that site implies that fixed gun tanks/vehicles will be a thing

[echo karma]

They nerfed the Stuart wtf

[silk igloo]

if anything the light tanks get a major buff with all that speed

[analog obsidian]

what time is the update?

[past veldt]

11am UTC+1

[echo karma]

Nerfed its he damage. Rip. It's a light tank bro it ain't killing a medium unless your bad

[faint portal]

Didn't you stop playing hll like years ago lol

[granite stream]

Is the cooldown still not going to start until a heavy is destroyed if you already have two out? No mention in patch notes

[echo karma]

There's no patch notes for steam? The website is bad bro

[faint portal]

Atm it starts when you spawn the tank, weird choice imo

[echo karma]

Aint played in a few months tbh. Might check it out tommorow till Friday

[granite stream]

Ye but it's the same as everything else, everything has the cooldown start after you spawn it rather than when it gets destroyed. Just no mention of it changing now in patch notes so a little confused

[silk igloo]

ah, if the traversal will be so much easier, we'll have to learn everything again. who knows what rock you can flip over tomorrow

[echo karma]

Those are the worst patch notes I have ever seen. Who tf cares about map changes. We'll see when we get in game. Give us the notes bro.

[faint portal]

Yeah, that's how it works
It's just weird bc u can technically just spawn a tiger and panther within minutes/simultaneously based on fuel but you will only get one 76 every 10 minutes

[echo karma]

So it's borked huh. Who saves up 1400 fuel tho

[past veldt]

Anyone who understands that two v one heavies will be insanely strong

[echo karma]

They probably still haven't fixed 76 diamond on logo you can see from a mile away

[faint portal]

Agreed, obviously less often than not it'll be a few minutes till you have enough fuel for another one but regardless you can still have two far faster than most other factions

[echo karma]

But your capped on 2 heavy. And usual vehicle count I assume

[silk igloo]

Start with 500 fuel, get fuel nodes within the first minute, 1100 fuel + 300 from encourage at 10 minutes in. Before converting to fuel. So 2 heavies at 10 minutes is doable

[echo karma]

Yes it's doable. Will steamroll US n Russia now

[versed jay]

Read the change log, everything sounds alright so far, like the tank improvements, but I’m guessing a satchel will still end a heavies life instead of just stopping it ?

Like I could understand 1 killing a Light and Recon and 1 stopping a Medium or heavy and 2 killing them, but with all the changes made to tanks, the complaint you always see on YouTube videos is Satchels, but maybe I missed something in the change log…

[faint portal]

Correct

[echo karma]

US is cooked and Russia too. I assume they nerfed the is2

[grizzled kiln]

@faint portal So even if you have the fuel, after 10 minutes you can't spawn two 76s ?

[faint portal]

Correct
Dmg is exactly confirmed but satchels can one shot tiger tanks
I'm not certain if it can one shot churchills (per buff they have strongest hull health) but it seems more than likely as it's only barely more than Tiger tank

[echo karma]

The 75 is trash unless they change it

[wind shore]

U19 news when

[faint portal]

U can spawn 2 (76) jumbos however they have to be 10 minutes apart from the moment you spawn it

Even if you have the fuel

[grizzled kiln]

This must be a bug and has to be fixed asap 😮 It said 10 minutes from death

[haughty geode]

U19 on Solmesnk in October

[grizzled kiln]

wow..so major buff to Axis then. US and Soviets are SOL 🙁

Hotfix when ??? 😄

[echo karma]

Never lol German bias

[errant crown]

How do you spawn in a second 76 if the timer doesn’t start until the death of the 1st one?

[faint portal]

100% from spawn of respective vehicle, and I agree I was confused as well that's why I just confirmed it lol

[haughty geode]

German tanks were better irl also

Just accurate

[faint portal]

It's from spawn timer, not death timer

[echo karma]

88 wrecked everything

[versed jay]

They need to limit the satchel classes

Engineer and Assault only damages bunkers and barbed wire and AT takes out tanks, imo would balance it better 🤷‍♂️

[echo karma]

They put 88 on a plane bro

[grizzled kiln]

I hope this gets fixed

[silk igloo]

oh, and tomorrow we can salvage wrecks. they didnt specify what % you get back, but you'll have even more fuel to use after reaching heavy cap. but hey, soviets and americans can make do with 2 halftracks to every second heavy the enemy gets... or multiple supply trucks for every AT that wants to build guns... we'll just have to make do

[echo karma]

AT needs to be on cooldown like supplies. To much spam.

[versed jay]

I thought they said death timer maybe I’m wrong tho

[grizzled kiln]

If that is to remain, the timer should just apply to Tiger and Panther at the same time.

[grizzled kiln]

They did. But Raz tested and it's not so.

[past veldt]

No, it needs to be consistent across factions

[versed jay]

No surprise

[grizzled kiln]

Not very consistent to have one faction have two heavies and another one not. Come on..

Talk about buffing Axis even more lol

[past veldt]

and the death timer thing is a non-starter idea because you'd never get 2 76 tanks

[echo karma]

Yeah the 75 is worse than a medium.

[silk igloo]

US and soviets will just need more tankers to compensate. 1 heavy + 3 mediums against 2 heavies

[grizzled kiln]

Worst tank in the game.

[midnight yew]

so are americans finally going to get better access to explosive ammo now

[faint portal]

I'm fairly certain they did at some point too b/c that's what I believed. But can confirm i just tested it its 10 min. Cannot share anything more than that until update tomorrow :/

[past veldt]

ofc, but that doesnt excuse having mechanics which will be inconsistent and unexplained

[echo karma]

Plus mediums can't front pen heavy despite having almost the same exact gun

[midnight yew]

no reason they shouldn't have an explosive box with rifleman class

[grizzled kiln]

Just trying to fix an obvious bug in an easy way.

This is easier. Don't allow any heavy the first 10 minutes. Then have the timer count from death. And max count of heavy tanks = 2.

[versed jay]

There will now be a wall of Russian AT Rifles on every Russian map 😂 won’t have to worry about heavies taking you out

[grizzled kiln]

So you can spawn 2 x 76 and won't allow another one,until after 10 mins one of them dies

[faint portal]

I think the problem here is most factions need to be able to spawn 2 heavies at any given time.

With a time limit on the vehicle itself this puts all factions with a single heavy tank at a disadvantage from germans (panther/tiger)

USA: 76 jumbo (only one i consider an actual heavy)
British: Churchill (except driel you get firefly which is best heavy tank in the game atm)
Russians: IS-1

[faint portal]

you can spawn 1 76 jumbo, and then you need to wait 10 minutes to spawn the other one

[echo karma]

Salvage destroyed vehicles when I just shoot the wreckage too remove them? Now I have to stare at wreckage

[wind shore]

Can we get it toggle on / toggle off, the person who killed you on redeploy screen

It’s imbalance or not?

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah I know. My idea was how to fix somehing obviously broken.

[versed jay]

At least server said should be able to

[past veldt]

just make the panther have a medium gun and its all fixed idk

[faint portal]

100% agreed

[echo karma]

Bf6 Friday and any remaining playerbase this game has

[thin lotus]

why would it be unbalanced?

[wind shore]

Cause you knew who killed you

[grizzled kiln]

Panther back to being a medium tank + even faster..brrrrr 😄 lets go

[versed jay]

Tank Destroyers when 😂

[echo karma]

Tbf it was a medium tank

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[thin lotus]

it doesnt assist in any way

[grizzled kiln]

M18 hellcat when ❤️

[echo karma]

Absolutely slapped m4s too

[faint portal]

firefly kinda a tank destroyer atm with 6 second reload hahah

[grizzled kiln]

The blog said 8s, did they nerf it again ?

6s is just op af..

Back the the old Panther 6s reload discussion 😄

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/big-floppa-gif-21759303

[echo karma]

Don't remind them about the panther bro

[past veldt]

leave it with heavy armour, then you have germans who have a fast but bad heavy and US with heavy which is bad but good HE explosions

[grizzled kiln]

yeah could work

[faint portal]

oh snap you actually right .... my B!

[versed jay]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-bomb-throw-bomb-military-gif-15967450

[wind shore]

Tellermines

[echo karma]

Only reason to take over tiger back in the day

[silk igloo]

I've a feeling that there's a miscommunication between what is in the game and what the lead devs think is in the game. Or between who made the graphs and someone else. Or these graphs are updated from a previous WIP graph that we havent even seen.

[echo karma]

Funny cuz the explosive yield of satchels were relatively low. Meant for tracks mostly

[versed jay]

I just wish they would add a tank commander comms, between tanks only

[echo karma]

Rip of squad and give us commander team.

Basically a supplies squad that runs commander around. Builds garrisons etc

[faint portal]

Not sure how much of yall are "numbers" ppl but this is actually crazy. Nearly all turret speeds are doubled. The HEAVY tanks be spinnin like crazy

[past veldt]

What about the "fine" aim mechanic? Is that quicker?

[echo karma]

I'd say they were pretty slow already tho.

[faint portal]

tbh it seemed unchanged

[versed jay]

Yea they are OP, and now with you driving slower on certain terrain you will be satcheled more often because of the slow down, hence making tank play unplayable still even with the boosts and upgrades

[echo karma]

Dunno if they worked off being in neural reving the engine. Most would be hydraulic tho

[echo karma]

This being an issue cuz most tanks aren't gonna set up on a road or near a road. Unless you wanna die

[silk igloo]

It didnt seem like the tanks slowed at all in the videos they showed.

[versed jay]

I want to be able to dump fuel and smoke screen myself when retreating, or the defense smoke pods work on the tanks that have them

[gleaming pelican]

Tank crew gonna be more useful and less dependant of Engineers, nice upgrade there.

[echo karma]

They said they were changing the speed at which they drive on road and off road

[silk igloo]

Seemed like a miniscule difference. Offset by the new max speeds at least

[echo karma]

I want smoke pods or different ammunition on the pods like the tiger had

[faint portal]

tbh, i would like this to still be a thing... I would like new things to promote MORE cross functional teamwork. This is why i'm not a fan of like SPA's b/c i can image those just being all solo's running around the map stealing vehicle limit from armor

[echo karma]

99% of the time you take mobility or health? Mostly mobility

[echo karma]

There just dead constantly with AT spam. Look at the luchs. Dead all the time

[faint portal]

health, mobility doesnt really matter in HLL especially now with turret rotation and how small the maps are (compared to real life where it probably did in fact matter among other factors)

[versed jay]

Add some smoke shells to both sides, cause both sides had them tbf

[echo karma]

A top mounted mg34 with hunker down effect from halftrack

[faint portal]

the luchs is a bad example of this, the staurt is a good example b/c that can get penned by rockets

However the engineers never have anything to do with repair stations on light tanks as they really want to be on the move anyway. More so for like heavy tanks being stationary building rep stations/stitting on tthe back and pocket engy etc

[echo karma]

Can use binoculars on top too. If TC dies he has to run back to tank etc

[faint portal]

The REAAAAAAAAAAAALY interesting thing i think that no one is talking about is the modular repairs

[gleaming pelican]

Dude, most guys that play Engineer are building nodes and then changing for the satchel loadout for the rest of the game, almost nobody wants to stay with the repair one because the main gun is hard to use (Specially in the German side, I hate the Kar98... ).

[echo karma]

I'll build a station in a spot but yeah not following around tanks

[silk igloo]

it's a fun playstyle though. itty bitty panzergrenadier trying to keep his big brother alive. and they appreciate it.

[gleaming pelican]

Right!? People want to play the game.

I only do tank protection when I'm SL alone in a locked squad.

[faint portal]

there there should be more incentives for engineers to play w/ armor do things for the team b/c i agree. they do their job then just blwo stuff up. Maybe more "fun" gameplay loops

[versed jay]

No most people want to COD on HLL not play HLL

[echo karma]

I assume spa would be similar to luchs albeit no armour open top etc. Will die to MG and rockets easy.

[faint portal]

agreed, 1000000000000%

[gleaming pelican]

This is mostly for the people under level 100, sadly.

[echo karma]

There's very little incentive for any teamplay around tanks unless your pushing a static objective. Tanks get focused too so it's rough

[gleaming pelican]

They need to be blamed and loose enough games to finally learn that they're a big part of the problem in their team always loosing.

[versed jay]

Naw with the bob the builder servers you see level 200+ doing it also now unfortunately

[covert elbow]

Bruh I’m trying to check the change log on my break but the website keeps crashing when I scroll down

[gleaming pelican]

Overall, nice changes in this upcoming update.

[silk igloo]

hm, if germany gets open topped SPAs to replace arty, they'll be countered by recon, while 105 sherman would need a tank or AT to do the trip. unlikely to send 1 of their heavies to do it.

[echo karma]

Depends on the team tbh. Tanks have a huge impact on the game, having no tankers usually a loss

[gleaming pelican]

We should take down those servers, they're doing a disservice for the community.

[faint portal]

I think this can be applied to alot of different things in HLL

Would like to see a holistic approach of more mechanics working cross functional with eachother that 1. create fun gameplay loops without taking away from "immersion" and 2. add value to the team in some way

[gleaming pelican]

Just like BF2042 XP Farm servers...

[echo karma]

If we don't see Spa by December it's vietnam then.

[versed jay]

I got ban from them, cause I would drop bombing runs on them building cause F them

[gleaming pelican]

Thank God for BF6 releasing this week.

Too much losses in HLL are giving me grey hair and I'm only 32. '-'

[echo karma]

Plus tank repair is very easy. Lay on ground rep the whole tank from 1 position. Everyone has rep tool. Engineer is better off in 2nd loadout or 3rd but I do love AP mines

[versed jay]

Yea game play should get better for a bit till the regular Trolls get ban from BF6 and come back to HLL 😔

[gleaming pelican]

😒

[echo karma]

And tanks die very fast if caught out in the open. It ain't bf6 were an engy can hang off the back and rep the while time

[thin lotus]

It's because everything about tank gameplay is at odds with what the game essentially forces you to do in order to win, what literally everybody else on the team is trying to do. compared to its tanks.

It doesn't matter how tight up they dial in these behind the hood numbers with tank traits, it's completely contradictory to HLLs gameplay. And the devs have no idea

[silk igloo]

Would make medium tanks more viable if they also worked as a spawn point for a single officer from a squad that has taken that "seat". Long respawn time, and they'd still need to make an OP for their squad. Maybe turn the engine off to do it, just like with a halftrack.

[echo karma]

There will be thousands of community servers up. And Dice doesn't ban trolls. They ban cheaters. Hll will suffer from bf6 regardless. All fps will

[thin lotus]

You're not going to have a satisfying tank game when everyone around you is playing a game about LITERALLY teleporting around the map in a game where its systems directly encourage doing so

It's like they're trinyg to mash two very mediocre games into a play field

[echo karma]

This mostly. Game is very arcady. 2 shots from heavy dead. 1 shot medium dead. Have to essentially camp and wait or die

[faint portal]

more things like this would be cool. Some cool down/balance would need to be in place. You dont want that "comp" strat of everyone just spawning on a tank w/ engine off behind lines and just swapping to SL's then fill those squads etc

[versed jay]

Yea the 1% trolls are back they all just bought PS5 since Xbox ban several of their accounts

[faint portal]

not anymore..... 😉

[versed jay]

Redeploy needs to go away, you either have to move to offense or defense on foot or when you die at the hands on the enemy

[past vortex]

my favorite thing about the update :}

[thin lotus]

the maps are just unecessarily huge, but no one wants to have that discussion

[echo karma]

Tell t17 to go back and watch the stalingrad trailer. Probably best trailer BM made

[echo karma]

I think there quite small. Compared to squads. S44 is small except iwo

[versed jay]

You mean the airborne assault one was bad 🤣

[echo karma]

When BM introduced the Russians. Bad to bone trailer

I see this fog all over studdergrad. Not a fan

Oh hell nah. Remove fog bro

[versed jay]

I remember the Facebook hype over the Airborne one cause people thought you was going to be jumping from planes 🤣 😂 SURPRISE!!

[echo karma]

Bf5 is on an older engine than hll and they have plane jumping

There won't be heli jumping on vientam either

You think the maps are tiny now wait for a 600m map with a helicopter bro. Be in the enemy HQ in 3 seconds

[versed jay]

I’m just not a fan of T17, love the game just not the team, RAZ had a podcast where they made some comments on what they was adding and have since abandon it 100% but oh well 🤷‍♂️

[echo karma]

They've cut like everything in the past. And haven't delivered on a roadmap since they started showing us em

[faint portal]

agreed, some of the overpromises are very dissapointing to see fall by the way side... 🙁

[echo karma]

Winter warfare was cut then slick added a year later

Who knew they were gonna franchise hll tho. Gotta get that 50mill back somewhere

[versed jay]

Yea just go back and do the stuff and quit adding stuff, it was good ideas and what the community wanted

[faint portal]

AKTUALLLYYYYYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hDLKGWcZRs&t=390s

[echo karma]

They've changed like 3 things off the tip of me brain that backfired instantly

[worthy charm]

I smell video advertising in the wrong channel :}

[faint portal]

granted this was a complete guess, but assumed

I can confirm 99% of the time i do not have inside info

[worthy charm]

-# kidding

What kind of emote is that. 🥲

[faint portal]

I'm personally interested to see how they fit flying heli's in vietnam

[worthy charm]

They are showing of again

so mean

[faint portal]

hahahahhahha

[echo karma]

Damn bro sounds sexy af bro chill on yt

[versed jay]

You will get stuck on a bird 😂 🤣 😂

[wind shore]

Can we get Red Cross organisation in game

It’s good advertising of positive things adding Red Cross

[echo karma]

The AA on boats in Vietnam is a direct FU from t17 lol

[faint portal]

BRO. I CAN EASILY PICTURE THIS HAHAHA

[versed jay]

Look I can drive a fast boat!! Gets stuck on twig in water

[echo karma]

Yeah but is hll dying worth a 40$ dlc

[violet merlin]

hello guys, I think this question is asked a lot, but do I need the complete set to get the most of the game?
never played before

[echo karma]

Ue5 is rough still tho. Most games run like dogwater on that engine. Arc raiders is ue5 tho. Well see

[echo karma]

Need no dlc. It's all mtx

[echo karma]

I'd only buy if on sale cuz they hiked the base game up in price. Steam sale can get cheaper on discount

[pine ember]

I’m back my guys

[violet merlin]

I already have the base game on epic
thank you fellow exile 🙂

[echo karma]

Why do American rib boats have twin ma duce 50 cals on em?

[faint portal]

b/c we dont have free health care

[echo karma]

Makes zero sense bro. It has AA sights as if the veitcong have jets flying around

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/laughsinfreehealthcare-gif-25731005

[pine ember]

Long Uni days again

[echo karma]

Like how they hid the t17 logo in the video bottom right lmaooooo

Hoped we would see the Korean War

[ionic nest]

At what time is the patch dropping? Just whenever it's ready?

[wind shore]

Usually it’s middle of the day

I see they improved lighting at night

And made reflections from environment

[normal fjord]

Tanks OP now?

[versed jay]

The Opposite imo

[slate canopy]

I mean they are stronger... But OP? I dunno yet

[faint portal]

Not really? They were shifted a bit but still able to be killed easily

[leaden fiber]

i look forward to never killing anything with an AT rocket ever again

gonna be fun times!

[worthy charm]

One rocket aint that much diffrence.

[leaden fiber]

it is when you could kill a medium before with 2 rockets, and now you need 3

[azure heath]

It’s a matter of one life vs. two

More expo ammo should be distributed imo

[leaden fiber]

'aint that much a difference' its a huge difference, man

[azure heath]

Balance is going to go haywire

[thin lotus]

tank HE kill radius should be reduced then

no more, "hit a wall and eviscerate everyone nearby" anymore

[worthy charm]

Maybe for the bazooka... but I cant see a diffrence for the rest, it takes longer maybe and someone might steal your tank kill but nothing big.

[azure heath]

Shermans are still screwed no matter what by the panzer checks

[leaden fiber]

i dunno about haywire, but it is going to drastically alter how AT is played and 5 years into the lifecycle of a game, that's not gonna feel great

[azure heath]

They should really hire me to do this for them

i’ll volunteer

[leaden fiber]

no offnese, but do you actually play the game a lot? because what it means is that now that tank gets away, gets repped, and goes right back to wrecking shop and you have to rinse/repeat or hope that you have a tank around

[azure heath]

He’s console

[leaden fiber]

no more sneaking behind armor as AT to take out mediums

[faint portal]

I think the big difference the tankers are going to feel is how they repair

the modular repair is actually insanely impacting

imo I think the meta may be more shooting turret than hull going forward

[leaden fiber]

because you cant, and it'll just rep

[worthy charm]

Bro, i basicly only play tanks and played the last time yesterday. 🥲

[azure heath]

A good tank crew will never die now

[worthy charm]

We drove with infantry onto the first cap and 6 rocket came flying from the side....

[azure heath]

I’m going to wait until this goes into practice before I say anything more.

[faint portal]

debatable, but yes. I do think tank battles will be far longer.

Hopefully this amplifies the mediums usefulness by outnumbering heavies

[worthy charm]

stay with infantry they say... its better they say...

[faint portal]

I mean the data is pretty clear, tanks are going to eat shots for sure!

[worthy charm]

People said that before the update as well...

[normal fjord]

100% OP now. The amount of times I see a team struggle to put 2-3 shots into a tank let alone 3-4

[azure heath]

Not entirely sure that’s a good thing.

For me, yeah.

For infantry though..

[leaden fiber]

god help you if you play on a server where the regulars are all strong tankers

[worthy charm]

And im sure if I would go looking for it people already said that before U10...

[leaden fiber]

also god help you if you are a low level or rando (to the server) tank crew, because I guarantee you I am not spawning you a heavy, and i assume many other commanders wont either

[azure heath]

Not sure I’ll be playing this game for a bit. I got no access to a PC until U19 comes out. But, I’m looking forward to Hunger, the game by the old devs. I’m not really sure where the direction of this game is going.

[leaden fiber]

i am not looking forward to this new update that's for sure, but i'll keep playing. just probably playing less with everything else coming out soon

[worthy charm]

The more rockets dont make a diffrence, but the new repair and refill for a crew member might be a diffrent thing.

A heavy in defense might be a problem now...

[normal fjord]

More rockets 100% make a difference, what planet you living on?

[worthy charm]

Please read my above Statements...🥲

[leaden fiber]

look dude you drive any tank, even a heavy, into a spot where there's a ton of enemy inf out and about you are gonna get 8 rockets shot at you

that's just bad tanking on your part

[worthy charm]

Maybe it diffrent for comb if youre coming from there but in a pub it aint gonna matter.

[azure heath]

I mean.. tanking in this game will always be better than BF6 for me.

But.. I don’t foresee tanking for a bit.

I just have a feeling that every update from now on will be tweaking the tank numbers.

[worthy charm]

Also they nerfed the Motor health...

[leaden fiber]

i frequently go on journeys in this game that take 5-10 mins to try and get behind enemy tanks that are hanging back to try and put rockets in their buttholes, but now that whole approach is rendered useless

[azure heath]

That wasn’t a good gameplay loop tbf

[faint portal]

everything below the AP dmg will get one shot in engine and knock it out

rockets dmg is at 300

[leaden fiber]

its a lot better than watching idiot AT lobbing rockets 150m away at the front of a tank

and more effective

[azure heath]

I don’t want to be that guy.. but in WW2 did we see singular soldiers G.I. Joeing it with their bazookas?

[worthy charm]

I dont think im reading this correctly.... 😅

[leaden fiber]

who cares this aint ww2, this is a game. its supposed to be balanced for gameplay, not historical accuracy

[azure heath]

It’s better for the tank crew to get to the front rather than get spawn killed out of HQ

[leaden fiber]

i remember the arguments when this game was new about the thompson iron sights

jesus god lol

[worthy charm]

In the patchnotes it says as an example new Motor health for pz4 is 430 now and before it was 500.

[azure heath]

2 shots nonetheless

[worthy charm]

So its still a mobility kills after 2 shoots and then you stand there waiting to get killed by about anything...

[azure heath]

I just want to see how this plays out in practicality.

So y’all will have to let me know.

[worthy charm]

I guess now you got a chance to recover but like... how big is that?

[empty steppe]

Real, ain’t worry my time 😂

[faint portal]

basically look at "AP dmg" column
Any tank "engine health" that is below that respective line will get one shot by anything above it

so all med and all heavies will one shot engine of any tank

stuart will one shot MOST mediums starting with the crusader

[empty steppe]

Interesting

Seems… a tad unbalanced, especially for a engine shot

[faint portal]

however stuart and crusader now that i think about it dont fight LOL

[leaden fiber]

as if the stewie could be more of a terror

lowering the engine HP of everything, lmao

[azure heath]

I’d be down for some Stuey meta game

[empty steppe]

Panzer hunting on mortain with it goes crazy

[worthy charm]

Ah ok I get it.

[leaden fiber]

stewies are gonna eat

[empty steppe]

Im A okay with that meta 👍

[worthy charm]

The endless armie of 34kmh Stuart tanks make me worrie more than all the rockets ever could.

[leaden fiber]

drive stewie to enemy HQ, turn engine off, profit

[worthy charm]

Poor Luchs still useless as ever.

[leaden fiber]

look, the Luchs plays an important role in armor food chain

[worthy charm]

At least the Luchs doesnt cost 500 fuel and autospawns. :}

[empty steppe]

It should do a lot more than it does in game 😅

[worthy charm]

That makes me feel only slightly better. 😂

[azure heath]

It helps to balance the German dominance maybe

a little asymmetric balance

[worthy charm]

Those double heavy tanks...

[leaden fiber]

you know the best way to solve the problems with the heavy meta is.......remove the heavies!

[azure heath]

makes sense

[leaden fiber]

you'd have to replace the luchs with the pzIII to balance it back out

[azure heath]

there weren’t all that many fielded

nah Panzer 38(t)

[worthy charm]

Hetzer

[leaden fiber]

but......now everyone is tanks that can kill everything else with the same amount of relative ease!

[empty steppe]

Get out

I love my big bois 🥹

[leaden fiber]

there, ive solved the problem for you t17 and you didn't even have to pay me

[worthy charm]

Now mister this grenade launcher isnt correct gets mad.

;}

[empty steppe]

It isn’t!!!

They should put the actual one that existed in there lmao 🤣

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/sand-in-the-eyes-gif-19442094

[worthy charm]

Sure sure

[worthy charm]

Oh god, that game...

Now I feel old.

[nova pivot]

Luchs is awful

I would prefer the pz38t

[azure heath]

I think we need a HLL: Boom Beach game.

Crazy crossover

[empty steppe]

20mm should be crazy good 🥲

[worthy charm]

Its just Normandie beaches again and again and again and again and again.

[worthy charm]

Sadly yes

[azure heath]

We love normandy

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/hk5i7r0jKg8.gif

[worthy charm]

But at least the Luchs is now the fastest tank in the game.

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-hungry-and-thirsty-gif-23833941

[worthy charm]

Its get first into battle and it dies first, so double the speed even.

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/choco-choco-gif-26291245

[empty steppe]

Hey but if you catch some troops off guard… you do gotta say 😂

I’ve had some absolute banger games with the luchs

[azure heath]

I like the synchronized artillery show that commanders can pull off

[worthy charm]

I had one game duo with a friend that was amazing.

We played on Luchs for a whole round, only got 70 kills tho.

Thats about nothing

[leaden fiber]

i cant wait to try this tommorrow and have chat SCREAM at me because they didn't check their maps

[worthy charm]

Abu makes double that in half the time :}

[leaden fiber]

sux 2 b u, losers! hit M!

[worthy charm]

I cant wait to only kill engines of heavy tank with reacon tanks and then drive away to do it again after they repaired.

That engine nerf has to be at one shoot less.

[pine ember]

So what’s the News?

[haughty geode]

Armor rework and Stalingrad refresh

[worthy charm]

To much...

[haughty geode]

You can now camouflage your tank

[worthy charm]

Oh yea...

[pine ember]

I saw it now

It’s such a Long dev Brief

[thin lotus]

mostly fluff

[worthy charm]

Thats... Not even wrong

[azure heath]

I can’t wait to join a server and be greeted by invite only locked squads.

I mean I’ll SL, but like I can still see it happen.

[past veldt]

It'll make no difference

People who lock their squads and don't let people in now also won't do it then

[worthy charm]

New 18.1 meta block all enemy squads with invite only ones.

[wind shore]

Why you posting dead ppl here bruuuh 😁 he looks zombie

[worthy charm]

Meta gaming

[pine ember]

Wait what?

[thin lotus]

What if I like pressing Deny when people keep spam requesting to join

AAAAH LET ME IN
no.

[past veldt]

I like to remind them that no means no

[thin lotus]

I like it when they cry in chat

[worthy charm]

On what dear Sir?

[haughty geode]

Yea apparently you can now lock sqads and make them invite only

[past veldt]

My squad autonomy is for me to decide thank you

[pine ember]

Whats that with that invite only?

[azure heath]

You can always do invite only or the same old one.

[worthy charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXWj8sGUOOA

[azure heath]

So it’s not that bad

[pine ember]

Yea it seems helpful

[azure heath]

Comp servers will be impossible to play on as a newcomer

[pine ember]

Not a dozen people that wanna join my squad

[worthy charm]

Honestly im kind of shocked anyone has yet to complain about salvaging.

[past veldt]

Someone complained earlier

[worthy charm]

Ah damn...

[finite berry]

Which is a good thing

[finite berry]

Should I complain?

[past veldt]

It'll be a bit weird where the best move is to shoot a dead tank to remove the carcass so they can't get the fuel back

[worthy charm]

Nah, no one cares when you do it anyway.

[finite berry]

That's a downside I could see. Newbies getting separated even more from the experienced folks.

[past veldt]

Like you shoot carcasses already in some situations but now you have to actually just shoot it once more always

[worthy charm]

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/tigger-cant-sleep-sad-emotional-gif-12332801

[pine ember]

Indeed

[faint portal]

Went ahead and updated "getting started" with the new changes to AT/tank class as well as the tank database now has all the analytics. You can use the "compare" function as well to toggle how heavy tanks compare to eachother/different classes 🙂
Hope yall enjoy
https://hll-armor-hub.com

[wind shore]

So today would be an update

Waiting

[thin lotus]

t17 called
said it was cancelled

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-over-its-so-over-cats-gif-10859953249626430962

[past vortex]

seems ignorable

[red stump]

what is salvaging?

[thin lotus]

seems like more sidequests for players to do rather than playing the objectives

[faint portal]

hammer down wreckage and restore like 10% of fuel to your team

[red stump]

oh like a new type node on the map?

i'm just trying to get back into the game

[faint portal]

mmm not really like nodes as its a one time thing/piece of wreckage

[red stump]

but it spawns on the map and you farm it yea?

do you have to be engi or whatever class?

[faint portal]

no, wreckage is like any dead vehicle

So once a vehcile is destroyed anyone with a hammer can hammer it and "knock it down" friendly or enemy

[red stump]

oooh, i see, so more than i thought it was

cheers thanks ^_^

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-ok-great-good-thumbs-up-gif-16351183

[red stump]

are there any community servers that are more tolerable to play on than randoms or official ones?

[past vortex]

yes

[red stump]

would you kindly suggest a few? vielen dank :P

[nova pivot]

Yes

[cosmic heron]

I HAVE GOTTEN GERMANY 13 TIMES IN A ROW AGHHHHHHHHH

[nova pivot]

Smoggless are you writing the bible or what

[azure heath]

Now this is great! Creative and efficient! It definitely gets very annoying with all the wrecks blocking roads and bridges and forces us, the tankers, to clear them. Now that any infantrymen (at least with a hammer) can clear them, for their own personal benefit and the benefit of the team as a whole sounds great!

I can’t wait to roll up to the enemy HQ in my Stuart with my two technicians and destroy all their vehicles and harvest them for parts to help the other tankers.

[nova pivot]

That actually sounds like a viable strategy

[faint portal]

tbh it's like 20 fuel or so it seems
it's 10% of whatever fuel you have i believe

so you would need to do that to like 20 vehicles haha

[nova pivot]

Sometimes destroyed vehicles offer cover, Im not going to salvage them if I will only get 20 fuel

[past vortex]

if you are german its easy, just sort by ping and look for "mic required"

[azure heath]

Let’s assess the HQs: 4 trucks.. 50 fuel apiece. A recon tank.. 100 fuel I believe, a light tank.. 150 fuel I believe, a medium tank.. 200 fuel I believe.

That totals up to 65 fuel + whatever goodies the commander left as presents. Most heavies will be 60 fuel in themselves.

Seems somewhat viable.. to afford another recon tank at least.

You’ll definitely see me out there with a satchel looking for heavies and halftracks, to kill and harvest.

[alpine jewel]

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[wind shore]

Hi

When would be next PTE

It’s October and map comes in November I guess it’s October weekend

[alpine jewel]

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[wind shore]

Talk with your teammates

[past vortex]

use pc

[wind shore]

Follow the orders of officers : commander

If Commander says - defend, means defend

If your officer say you bring supplies - bring supplies

If you are support of course

When PTE?)

[alpine jewel]

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[nova pivot]

Watch a couple of videos on Youtube

So you understand how the game works

From there it's just a matter of playing and "learning the maps"

Hot zones etc.

[red stump]

knowing the roles and game mechanics is huge

what the stuff on the map means, how to spawn and what your obj is

[nova pivot]

And obviously knowing how to shoot, which only improves by playing.

[nova pivot]

Nah

[wind shore]

Public testing on the new map

[nova pivot]

It's quite simple

And it tells you at all times where you have to go

[alpine jewel]

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[wind shore]

I’m waiting PTE in closest 2 weeks

[nova pivot]

Ok, get a pc

[wind shore]

PTE 🔜

[alpine jewel]

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[nova pivot]

No, the game does not recognize the keyboard.

[alpine jewel]

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[nova pivot]

You would have to use an external device for connecting it , and although many "pros" use it, it is considered cheating.

[nova pivot]

No, it's okay how it is right now

[alpine jewel]

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[nova pivot]

Let's agree to disagree

[alpine jewel]

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[nova pivot]

Console gamers?

[alpine jewel]

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[nova pivot]

That is the reason why it is okay how it is, if you want to use kB play on pc if you want to use controller play on console

Obviously the keyboard is objectively better than the controller, but it is what it is and it seems fair to me.

[alpine jewel]

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[past vortex]

its part of the bad deal you get when buying a console

[nova pivot]

I'm going to sleep 😴, adapt to the controller or play on PC

[alpine jewel]

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[wind shore]

@steel valve

When we would get an update or PTE

U19, November understandable but when would be the PTE, can’t wait for it

💿 💿 🧾

[oak current]

Kedo pinging random people at midnight

[wind shore]

It was Ben

[oak current]

yes, random ben

[wind shore]

I thought you all would understand that it is real Ben

[wind shore]

Would you stream the new map on the PTE?

[oak current]

I stream most PTEs, so yeah

if theres a PTE, I'll probably have a go on it / cover a match on it.

[wind shore]

I guess you played this map already

Ben played it and recommend to play this map and he said would be something what we’ve never seen before

My opinion it’s this week, or next week, the PTE.

It’s October mid October would be next week

PTE comes with that time - not to hurry up and rush things after it, before November

[slate canopy]

Chill buddy.

Let's have this update come out, and then next PTE. okay?

[wind shore]

Agree! So I can wait anyways

I expected it drops in December

[oak current]

lets first look at U18

and then we'll see where we go from there ^^

[wind shore]

Ah right the hot fix U18 could be if would be some issues, so agree let’s go from U18 first, it’s coming first

https://tenor.com/view/ms-floppa-floppa-gif-8261542698942909283

[alpine jewel]

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[slate canopy]

Have you used #console-looking-for-unit ?

[alpine jewel]

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[slate canopy]

Try that 😉

[leaden fiber]

new strat. kill all the vehicles in hq, camp the inf that comes to harvest them

[hexed jetty]

With regard to the new heavy tank limits, is it two tanks of the HEAVY class or two each of the Panther / tiger (separate) ?

Will the cooldown for the initial deployment of a heavy be removed on account the cooldown starts when a tank dies?

[past vortex]

any heavy, and strangly cooldown from spawn now

[fringe hollow]

I feel like people are reaching for questions to ask when the answer's kinda obvious...

[past vortex]

not at all obvious

[hexed jetty]

I have watched the vids - cannot find it

[slate canopy]

"Each team may field a maximum of two heavy tanks at any given time. Their buffs make them a significant threat to both armor and infantry. Taking one down requires strong coordination and resource investment, all the while this limitation reinforces the importance of medium and light tanks throughout the match. The cooldown timer on all heavy tanks has been increased from 5 minutes to 10 minutes, preventing any early-game strategies using a heavy tank."

[past vortex]

that answers neighter question :D

but raz confirmed earlier

[hexed jetty]

So the cooldown to spawn a new one is deleted?

Lets say - you have no tank crews and 1200 fuel and suddenly get two tank crews. Can you spawn two heavies right now?

[past vortex]

no

[hexed jetty]

TY

[bold gale]

Адольф Гитлер

[wind shore]

Изи бриджи @bold gale

[obsidian storm]

The iron sights for the soviet mosin are genuinely horrendous

[wind shore]

It’s 1891 weapon what do you want

It’s older than Red Dead Redemption setting

[obsidian storm]

Winchester is the same timeline and you can very clearly see what your shooting at

[azure heath]

There are 3 mosins

[obsidian storm]

Its hard to see the enemy especially if theyre far away

[azure heath]

which one

[obsidian storm]

1891 base mosin

The one you first get

[azure heath]

Yeah that one sucks, it’s the only one in the game

only for level one rifle man

soviets

It is what it is. The M38 is much better.

[obsidian storm]

They should remove it theres no need

[wind shore]

It has different design cause it’s Mosin

I like this one version - 1891

[azure heath]

I personally love using it, but for the meme ofc

[obsidian storm]

I can only use it if i have crosshair x on

[wind shore]

Why? Soviets used old weapons cause they were fighting on their homeland

[wind shore]

So then don’t use it

[azure heath]

So that’s illegal

There are other options

[obsidian storm]

Bro how🤣

[gritty lichen]

when will there be a Q and A about update 18?

[azure heath]

In comp play it’s supposed to be banned, who knows.

[azure heath]

There won’t.

It’s literally releasing tomorrow.

[gritty lichen]

this is only the 1st part of the armor update

meaning theres more to come

[azure heath]

There’ll probably be a QnA at some point

just not only for U18

[faint portal]

ok, put a video up for everyone to easily see the tank changes 🙂

#shamelessplug but actually educational for people that dont know the changes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj_uGtKt0g8

[errant moss]

we got salvage destroyed tanks before deploying MG bipods on any tanks 🙁

plzzzzzz

[fleet sonnet]

Are servers down i cant connect

[slate canopy]

Mine wouldn't connect (network error), but I cleared my download cache and it restarted steam, I go through fine.

[acoustic harbor]

Seems like it

[slate canopy]

Try clearing your download cache.

[acoustic harbor]

I did; seemed to help but still can’t connect, I’m seeing severs dumping players left and right but the queues stay 6/6. seems like there’s network issues atm

[slate canopy]

If it's a really popular server, it can fill queue quick.

I just joined Blueberry Dreams with 75 players, no issues.

[acoustic harbor]

I might be connecting now but something odd is definitely going on. I saw the HD7 server hover around the low 90’s with 11/2 VIP and 6/6 queue, then it crashed to 0 players, 6/6 queue, then kept me in a spinning “connecting” loop for a few mins before I rebooted the game. Sitting in queue now….

[slate canopy]

Good luck

[acoustic harbor]

Yeah still not working. Got to the top of the queue and it just hits the loading animation but never actually connects

[slate canopy]

Try a smaller server?

[gritty lichen]

Traversing turret would ruin it you'd need a top turret position for it to work

[wind shore]

Devs fixed Lewis gun?

That’s amazing! But still, my beloved is Bren gun not Lewis

[modest agate]

I thought we were getting a tinkerer class

I like the technician loadout but are we still getting away to upgrade certain tank features with the downfall of other tank parts decreasing still?

[oak thicket]

is anyone else having problems connecting to the game on steam?

[slate canopy]

Possibly clear your steam download cache and try again. I had it be a network error, but got into a server after.

[oak thicket]

cant have any good things on steam dude this is the second game ive tried to boot up and play but cant

[slate canopy]

Then if you're having more than 1 game issue... could be your own network problem? Steam maintenance isn't until tomorrow.

[oak thicket]

I think its a steam problem low key because one of the games everyone was having problems and then couldnt re connect to the game or steam

update it is steam

just got kicked off and so did the others im in call with

[thick sundial]

i couldnt log in

update probably at midnight est

[wind shore]

So it means the update is already in?

[thick sundial]

idk

i just got in without update

bunch of people are nline

full like always

[slate canopy]

Update will be probably in 7ish hours based off previous updates. (u17 and u17.1)

[analog apex]

I just got back and I just got to read the changelong. Like... why the heck are the devs adding information who killed us after every death?

One more thing that puts HLL even more away from being an actual hardcore realism oriented shooter.

What's next? Kill feed?

• On the other hand, the new CMD's artillery strike seems to be the 1st good move towards removing the arty guns from the map (hopefully). But I would have expected the CMD would be able to set the amount of shells, dispersion, maybe speed of firing and ofc the size of the barraged area. Nothing of such seems to be the thing. Cheap solution, hopefully it will get deepened.

• Invite-only locked unit... OK, but more we needed the ability to keep our squad open but be able to kick+blacklist players from being able to re-join it. Once more, half-way done job. 😕 Also, still no squad management while alive as SL.

Just a detail in this case:

"The supply box cannot be picked up if any of the supplies have been used (subject to change)"
and then there is
"If a percentage of supplies have been used, a portion of the cooldown is reimbursed to the player relative to the amount of supplies remaining"

so... which one 😄 ? "Subject to change" it seems was already changed (and in a good way if the 2nd statement is true 🙂 ) .

[cosmic pilot]

I hate that I'm awake to read this

[finite berry]

Then go back to sleep

[analog apex]

worry not, there will be more 😄

[finite berry]

Based

[analog blade]

The armor stuff is full of good surprises imo, technician load out seems a lot better then thinker. Being able to build a limited supply depot is great, hopefully it can also be destroyed tho. It’s big and visible and should be for all that extra ammo. I assume we can only build this in friendly territory too? I do wonder what the small variations in hull health will mean for the heavy tanks. Seems to small to matter, but maybe it means some heavies will need to take an extra hit from light or recon tanks.

[analog apex]

I just hope the tank will be rearm-able only if it is not geting hit or if it shoots... on those buildable rearm stations.

And the same should go for tank movement too and also in case of repairs.

There are good stuffs in this update, however the weight of the bad stuffs is just too big to ignore.

I would like to finally know what is their plan when it comes to the resource nodes. If they want to remove them, they should do it straight away. If that's not the intention, they should share at least the rough plans. (salvaging fuel from the wreckages could have been an automated fuel node feature for instance, that's what made me wonder about the topic)

[analog blade]

I’d assume it will work the same as the current supply depot at hq so yes we can shoot while rearming

[gray belfry]

So.... is the heavy cooldown of 10 mins now... from the moment it's spawned or from the moment it's killed?

Can one spawn two 76s at once if there's 1200 fuel?

[analog blade]

Spawned until two are in the field I’d assume

[finite berry]

Killed

[analog apex]

exactly, that's why I would hope for the changes

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-gif-26849459

[shrewd egret]

uhm why i have network error in hll?

[analog apex]

About the shots to destroy a tank using rocket launchers... what are those numbers? Do they mean hits from the back? Or from any direction now? Or all except for the front? How is it?
I just wonder... because the comment just says "These values are using prime conditions; correct armor penetration and full damage applied to the hull."

In any case it feels like strange move. Maybe just needs a better clarification... idk.

[shrewd egret]

hll tank combat is just weird

[analog apex]

in HLL definitelly

getting even weirder each time they touch it 😄

[shrewd egret]

even a roblox game has a better tank system than HLL

[analog apex]

Never made sense why a tank with destroyed tracks is still able to move to begin with. And now the heavier tanks are getting even faster and with more tracks health...

[silk igloo]

As opposed to tracks or turret absorbing some damage.

[analog apex]

just doesn't make sense imo - changing these values in the code is just like trying to solve symptoms and not the cause

one of the causes is the relatively unlimited ammo - new rockets & satchels with each redeployment/death -> makes rockets cheap -> "makes" the devs require more of them to kill a tank <------ instead of making the ammo matter

[finite berry]

Medic overhaul vibes 😄

[silk igloo]

there's quality in quantity. it's an unending firefight because the quantity of men, bullets, rockets, tanks is virtually infinite

[analog apex]

I wouldn't call that quality imo.

More like quantity of changes over the quality of the idea behind them.

As I say though - there are good QoL stuffs/features in this update, however the bad stuffs put the good stuff into a too dark shadow.

[silk igloo]

The only possibly bad thing I see is the heavy tank imbalance, but even that got me intrigued since it might be actually interesting to play against 2 heavies when you only have 1 real heavy available. We'll see how it exactly works, but US and Soviets will have to spend their fuel elsewhere. It's like a boss fight, you know?

[analog apex]

What about the info about our killer & weapon? It's way too much unnecessary hand-holding.

[covert elbow]

Yes I don’t like that

It kinda kills the whole vibe of death

[analog apex]

Also, I would like to fight a boss without need to redeploy for ammo as the only reliable fastest way to rearm.

[silk igloo]

Eh, that's pretty minor at this point, with people on some servers using !wkm so often already, and we went over that long ago with the personal stats screen

[covert elbow]

I just wanted a revamped kill screen to replace the black image

[analog apex]

personal stats screen shows only top nemesis, not each one real time. It was good enough for identifying cheaters if any or campers. This real-time-each-death one is just out of place.

wkm is a workaround that shouldn't have been invented

but yep... it was

This little thing makes HLL even more casual oriented.

[silk igloo]

I kind of thought it like a tombstone. "Here lies Grunt, killed by a german rifle"

[analog apex]

Ok, but the Grunt redeploys and uses the knowledge of who killed him against him.

In real life, the Grunt doesn't respawn.

[silk igloo]

well you dont have to respawn in game if you dont want to 🤪

[analog apex]

that's beside the point

the point is I will know who killed me and with what even if I don't pay attention, allowing me to adjust the tactics while staying ignorant

[finite berry]

Make the game uninstall itself upon dying

[covert elbow]

With exact coordinates and information?

[silk igloo]

i dont think it changes that at all. it's easy to figure out how you were killed

[analog apex]

just now you don't need to pay attention to the sounds

and with knowing the name right away, once again - adjusting the tactics

[silk igloo]

maybe. maybe it helps people understand the sounds better. "what was that sound? oh, that"

[analog apex]

if I will see I got killed by a low LVL, I won't care. If I see I will get killed by a high LVL, I automatically change the tactics. Knowing the name means I can check it on the scoreboard and get the killer's LVL.

[covert elbow]

Another video I want to make haha

[analog apex]

the sounds are almost the same 1st person like 3rd person (=> not hard to learn the gun sounds), they don't need the text to show them what they were killed with

as I say - unnecessary handholding and even more casualising of HLL

[scenic heath]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-goofy-cat-silly-cat-sleepy-cat-bruh-cat-gif-8253677982411156146

[silk igloo]

if it helps new people figure out that they are targeted by enemy artillery or some other avoidable thing, i'm all for it.

[versed jay]

What time is the update dropping I can’t find it anywhere?

[worn orchid]

Lads is update dropping now/soon? I can't log in.

[analog apex]

all for the (casual!) newcomers, nothing for the veterans. Still not even any shared plans for any more hardcore experience.

[finite berry]

The more hardcore experience won't come

[analog apex]

looks like it... sadly

[pine ember]

Why did they Even introduce the new screens? Also the map loading Screens a few years ago?

[analog apex]

Because... just because.
😄

[ocean sage]

What time is better stalingrad releasing?

[analog apex]

Today... I believe the exact time was not announced anywhere yet.

[ocean sage]

Today but what time zone

Cause it's late evening for me

[analog apex]

No details about the time was announced at all.

It might be a tomorrow for you then.

[ocean sage]

Gotcha boss

[split hamlet]

What time is the livestream today?

[analog apex]

what livestream xD

[split hamlet]

About the update

On the Hell let loose twitch

[worthy charm]

Have I already missed Sam complaining? 🥺

[wind shore]

Any word on new cosmetics?

I see Cossacks but what else?

[worthy charm]

Look on steam

There is also a new tank camo Pack.

[wind shore]

Link me, I’m not on Steam

Console

[worthy charm]

I would but im on my phone and have to go... :}

Sry

[wind shore]

All good. I will wake up tomorrow and check em out

Aw man, only one uniform

(Ill still buy it cause I’m a sucker)

[analog apex]

I can start again just for you if you want 😄

[robust bear]

so the release date is?

[worthy charm]

Can I get a Summary of what you like/dislike the most?

[analog apex]

today, time not specified

[worthy charm]

Especially for the tank rework

[tropic kelp]

@analog apex maybe server mods can disable redeploy screen kill feed in future - easy fix

[molten garden]

hey im like hella new to the game. about 30 minutes in it

and the game keeps crashing which im not sure how to fix

it could be on my end but im not so sure

[analog apex]

yeah...

• the new deathscreen killed-by info - casualising HLL even more
• no idea why redeployment screen still contains +10s as "punishment". It's not a punishment, it's a standard redeployment time. We didn't TK anybody. They could have easily fixed it.
• rockets seem to be weaker in terms of damage in relation to tanks' health, while they will be able to easier penetrate (at least that's how I understood it) - trying to fix a symptom and not the source (cheap rockets with every redeploy/death=rearm)
• technician role - hopefully rearm station won't rearm while moving/firing/gettingHit +those actions should restrict repairs too for a limited time (+tank movement there)
• nothing of this was PTE-ed

oh and arty as a CMD power - good (hopefully 1st step for removing the player-controlled stationary arty guns), however...

• CMD not being able to set amount of rounds fired, their dispersion, rate of fire
• all 3 rounds land at a single moment
• no more whizzling warning sound?

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/юхууу-юху-мелстрой-gif-799668042040066008

[oak current]

Sam saying all the CMD Power negatives I also say. What a scary day when we both agree on the same things

I dont like the synchronised impact, I want shots to be minimally randomized in time

[tropic kelp]

immediately banned in comp

[oak current]

hm?

[analog apex]

yeah, it looks and sounds just way too unnatural if all 3 rounds land at a time

[silk igloo]

katyusha. 3 arty strikes. 3 arty guns. olegs house. blyat. verdammt

[analog apex]

yep, the arty guns need to be removed now... if not now, then definitelly when the SPGs will get introduced

and mortars needed (I would be OK even with just the smaller short-range ones)

[oak current]

I was surprised to see arty guns still around with the ability coming in. But I guess they keep it in for now and then with U19 we see the final arty change?

....imagine if we have Arty, SPAs AND arty callin

[heady hornet]

SPGs are probably going to be the single worst addition to the game. So far that people want the arty guns back

[silk igloo]

it's a limited time event, arty me harder

[analog apex]

yeah, probably (hopefully!) just a transition phase - but begs for question why not as a PTE instead

[oak current]

I mean I do like my Katyusha Bingo on eastern Front maps.

"Pick a player and if he gets hit by a katyusha - you write BINGO in chat"

always fun

[wind shore]

We can have it but in different game modes.

[oak current]

would need to be a gamemode where you get 10x ammo income

[wind shore]

Not always or often it could be everywhere, they can just “leave it” for offensive gamemode for defensive team

Or for attacking team leaving SPA; artillery strike ( commander ability ), defensive team - normal arty

And SPA of course

[oak current]

But I like that they are touching the commander call in and I'm happy they took my advice on that. ..now just remove the white streak, add the pre-impact wheezing sound and give it a nice impact interval.

[wind shore]

Excluding arty ( Commander )

[heady hornet]

and why as normal artillery. Are the SPAG going to be rocket artillery? Could've been something more special.

[analog apex]

If they keep on casualising HLL, why they just can't allow ALL-textChat at least for the Commander (for non-CMD players ability just to read).

[wind shore]

I like that too it looks solid artillery

[wind shore]

White streak is realistic?

I guess the incomes they hear it different inside this circle

[silk igloo]

Could be asymmetric. 105mm sherman for US; open top, very light armour fixed gun for germans (countered by PTRS), katyusha truck for russians. Or heavy armor SPA like the SU-152.

[wind shore]

Artillery they just reworked it with tracers, new sounds, new mechanics

[meager timber]

when is the update going live?

[analog apex]

nobody knows yet

except for Ben maybe 🙂

[wind shore]

Today

[wind shore]

Can’t wait to see their SPA

[analog apex]

yeah but the time is unknown

[wind shore]

SU-152 or SU-122 for Soviets

For British it’s hellcat?

[pine ember]

Small surprises

[fluid pawn]

Just popping in to say that update goes live in around 40 minutes.

Also to answer confirm a couple questions from yesterday, directly from the lead armor dev:

• Satchel damage has been increased to keep them the same as they were previously. We will look into the satchel at a later date.
• You can field 2 of the same Heavy. You can have 2 Tigers, or 2 Panthers, or 1 of each. You just cannot have more than 2.

[analog apex]

I had just like 1 HLL session this month... time to examine the new stuff 1st hand, maybe test the new tank/rocket damages too.

[wind shore]

Thank you! 🙏

[oak current]

Should probably rephrase it to 2 Tigers OR 2 Panthers or 1 of each.

[wind shore]

Ben this update changes list is huge and it’s happy

[oak current]

[pine ember]

One question: Why the new KIA screen? It doesn’t really fit into the Game I think

It’s more something Like You would have in BF or COD, Not in HLL

[wind shore]

Toggle on / off function, cause fog of war, especially about the gun which you were killed

[oak current]

like a UAV Drone that you use to highlight everyone on the map, yes

a..lets call it flare...

[analog apex]

for this I would also welcome server-wide toggle for friendly icons

+persistent ammo and limited respawns for spawnpoints
simply a hardcore mode settings

[pine ember]

Just make HLL more Hardcore again

[analog apex]

not happening it seems 😭

the devs keep going further and further away from it

[wind shore]

About the guns - I think it opens operative information to see which guns used rn on the battlefield or die from which tank

[past veldt]

Could we get a dev brief from the armour rework guys which goes into detail about why they've picked X value over Y. Some of the numbers seem to be really specifically chosen to allow for certain interactions

[pine ember]

Time to Head to S44

[analog apex]

I noticed the numbers lowered for the **engine **health... at least something. But with that many rockets needed for a full tank kill, there needs to be tank kill-assists introduced - to reward everybody who damaged the tank and not just the one who dealt the final blow.

[pine ember]

Can HLL please be more Hardcore again? That’s what Made the Game what it is today

[analog apex]

Even a player who just damaged the tank and that was forced to flee to repair, should be rewarded with points/XP because he made the tank to go away for a while.

[fluid pawn]

I'll see what I can do 🫡 We'll be opening a specific armor feedback forum (alongside the normal U18 one) as this is just phase 1 of the armor changes and your feedback on it will be essential

[analog apex]

You hear it, Critical? Your feedback on it will be essential so make it a good one 😄 .

[oak current]

-something +massively

[past veldt]

My team refuse to let me tank (something about me being bad at it idk) so I'll just parrot the actual tank guys feedback 😶

[worthy charm]

nr. 1 and 2 is understandable. For Nr. 3 the penetration is the same, but the dmg got a nerf.

[wind shore]

Hardcore or casual

[pine ember]

Make HLL more Hardcore again!

[oak current]

he says, while weaseling his way behind enemy lines for the 10th time

[past veldt]

OH

I satcheled a tank in the open on Sunday

[oak current]

cheeky

[past veldt]

It got caught on stream (not Altberg because he hates me)

[oak current]

didnt catch that, only caught you hanging around in southwestern forests

with strange men

not going for factory

[past veldt]

I didn't have my logi helper this weekend 😞

So I didn't have someone to bully into going after it

[analog apex]

back to this - it being possible is never in dispute though, only the ratio/chance of how often in comparison to the tanks that are at some asset allowing to approach unseen. Not possible to do it every single time as with a stationary tank next to an silently approachable cover.

[past veldt]

I did satchel that one as well

[wind shore]

Hardcore or casual

[wind shore]

Don’t engage him

[pine ember]

More Hardcore please - If I want to play a casual Game then I play minecraft or battlefield

[finite berry]

L satchel change

[wind shore]

He just wants to complain, he doesn’t even know what he wants

[oak current]

if I want to play a hardcore game, I play Arma

[wind shore]

Who are you

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-doggo-smiling-cute-pet-gif-17869715

[oak current]

can phrase stuff whatevery way you want

[pine ember]

Do you mean me??

[pine ember]

I know what I want for sure

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/dol-huh-eyes-disgusted-gif-11690827820922534530

[analog apex]

Hi Ben, if I may, I have 2 questions:

• any plans to introduce the TNT we saw in the PTE-ed OBJECTIVE gamemode, against the tanks?
• any plans for tank-kill-assists for the AT guys and tankers? (XP/score for everybody who even just damaged the tank)

[heady hornet]

only 10th?

[pine ember]

HLL shouldn’t get much more casualized

[past veldt]

I don't need 10 attempts

[finite berry]

That's what will happen tho, at least in some aspects

[oak current]

man had to also weasel back to the frontline a few times

[pine ember]

I don’t think the Core Community and those who made the Game great would want a casual WW2 Game

[pine ember]

Yea sadly

[meager timber]

More casual -> Easier to learn core mechanics faster -> People get better -> Game gets harder

[oak current]

...I read that as People get harder

[past veldt]

Have you seen the time I weaseled under a tank fight through the front line?

[wind shore]

Most of updates I like 80%-95% but not everything of course

[pine ember]

Doesn’t make much sense

[past veldt]

And went afk in the middle to play OSRS

[finite berry]

Those don't matter to T17, tho. Those matter that bring playercount up and money for T17

[finite berry]

I mean, who knows :D

[pine ember]

Indeed, which is just sad

[finite berry]

It makes sense. I'd do the same if I was T17

[oak current]

they look at ww2 hardcore games and if people play them - and then they go back into more casual directions.

[heady hornet]

I mean, the only hardcore aspect to the game, since ages, has been the quick TTK.

[finite berry]

True

[pine ember]

It’s just a Cash Cow by now, and it Lacks the Vision the Game had back then

[heady hornet]

everything else is pretty much casual.

[finite berry]

That and faction-locked weapons

[meager timber]

What do you mean by hardcore? Is playing Quake duels vs a good aimer hardcore :F

[pine ember]

Yes, but these new screens and some other aspects are just too casual in my opinion

[heady hornet]

I mean, even Battlefield had those at one point no?

[finite berry]

Did it?

[pine ember]

Not seeing who killed you on the death Screen e.g.

[pine ember]

Nope

[finite berry]

Never played Bf, so I dunno

[lone tangle]

So when is the update

[finite berry]

30 minutes

[meager timber]

Ah, so you want more realistic. Okok

[oak current]

17 mins

[finite berry]

Almost

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/ouka-shiunji-family-children-anime-laugh-laughing-gif-13468066462817714293

[pine ember]

Yep, it was like that before and people enjoyed it

[finite berry]

Now people enjoy it too

[meager timber]

Yeah I get it. I usually play Squad or ARMA for that itch

[analog apex]

different kind of people than the ones the game had been for a long time sold to

[pine ember]

Not that much anymore if you Look at Players that play since years

[pine ember]

Yes

[lone tangle]

Thanks guys

[finite berry]

Yeah. The point I'm trying to make is that you guys probably just should move on.

[analog apex]

also, short-term HLL players

[pine ember]

That’s another possibility, but I played this Game for too Long just to See it getting casualized by this without saying something

[silk igloo]

if it's so casual why cant every team have AT, support, 8 garris, AT guns etc when needed

[wind shore]

Ben about new DLC! There is mistake with colors on hat! Can you pass it also? It’s very minor problem but anyways inaccuracy

[finite berry]

I get that, but you won't stop the process 😄

[pine ember]

And I want to Play HLL, but I do not like the current State of the Game because many aspects were better a few years ago

[pine ember]

Sadly Not

But I can raise my Voice that I do not support casualizing or inaccurate DLC and so on

[analog apex]

Thanks for the honest answer 🙂 .

[fluid pawn]

No worries

[wind shore]

New Cossack hat has white color pipping which is from White Army, which was opposite to Red Army and Red Army Cossacks changed the golden ribbon like a transformation from 1917 and differentiate that it’s Red Army Cossacks, DLC a bit innaccurate hat

[pine ember]

Can we please make this Game a bit more Hardcore again and less DLC?

[wind shore]

So the hat just has white ribbon instead double gold, that’s the minor issue, Cossack one

[past veldt]

Are you okay?

[heady hornet]

I mean they can? Thats no aspect of hardcore but teamwork. Unless you believe that teamwork = hardcore.

[past veldt]

Hardest aspect of the game is team work 🫂

[thin scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[silk igloo]

it sure is too hard for most people!

[pine ember]

Not really

[finite berry]

Not too hard, they simply don't want to

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-over-its-so-over-cats-gif-10859953249626430962

[pine ember]

Its sad seeing the game more and more getting casualized

[thin scarab]

I really See no changes… its still 5% of Players that know how to Play and Build Garrys and the other 95% just run around

[analog apex]

I hope that despite the technician tanker loadout can build some stuff, that he will still need the supplies for it from somebody else. I assume so but one never knows with HLL devs.

[pine ember]

This Game is still Great but is getting more and more additions that were unthinkable a few years ago. It Lacks a Vision

[haughty geode]

Whats the matter here?

[heady hornet]

The game got more and more casualised with the introduction of vaulting in 2020. or was it early 2021? 🤔

[pine ember]

Yea, but back in 2020 atleast most people had a mic, you didnt know who shot you and it still was pretty immersive

[pine ember]

Definetely

[analog apex]

yeah Totenvogel... this is how I put it some time ago when it comes to HLL development☝️

[heady hornet]

I thought it was not shooting from redzone?

[silk igloo]

Pings, hit markers, blood spurts, personal stats, audible hits, less suppression, flares, repair tool for tankers, it's been like this forever. i wonder, it should be easy enough to make a hardcore mode just by removing stuff

[worthy charm]

My former Statement eas wrong, he still needs supplies from someone else.

[pine ember]

I agree for the most part

[analog apex]

from another tanker with the supply box heh 😄
that would be a "good" one xD

[pine ember]

But still you had a vague direction

[oak current]

seems that might be scrapped

we'll see in a moment

[analog apex]

nah, it's in the devBrief

[radiant anvil]

Haven’t played HLL since update 17, does 18 fix it?

[potent burrow]

Luchs will forever be just a distant memory 💔

[worthy charm]

Xd

[worthy charm]

Imagine

[oak current]

[silk igloo]

wdym, if the patchnotes ARE actually correct and read as they imply, the cannon should be mini-artillery

[analog apex]

Technician Loadout
Alongside the tank updates, the Crewman role now features a new addition: the Technician loadout. This new variant of the role provides engineering capabilities, allowing players to construct barricades, repair stations and a new deployable ammo depot. This new depot refills tank shells in limited quantities. These additions enable armor squads to establish forward positions for resupply and repair without needing to return to HQ.

[heady hornet]

because BM / T17 dev briefs have always been accurate. You can also see enemy airhead marker on the screens. but only enemy supplies get mentioned.

[buoyant grail]

This game ver hard

[analog apex]

but this one is just one day old

[oak current]

why you quoting the technician loadout? 👀

[heady hornet]

the release screenshot aswell.

[lone tangle]

The deployable ammo depot is a great new feature

[echo walrus]

anyone on steam already got the new files ?

[finite berry]

Restart Steam

[analog apex]

because of your other message #mess-hall message

[potent burrow]

wont let me send an image but it says they nerfed its explosion radius and damage

[oak current]

which talked about the supply box from other tankers 👀

[analog apex]

maybe I misunderstood - wasn't clear if you meant the whole thing or just the sup box requirement

[lone tangle]

Now i can set up somewhere with my recon tank, shot to the objective 100 times and then got 4 kill

[echo walrus]

@finite berry ty

[silk igloo]

That nerf is obviously wrong, because it's implied that it now has the same AoE as a light tank blast

[oak current]

then I would have replied to the other sentence

[analog apex]

AoE... Age of Empires? 😄

[potent burrow]

it literally was on the link for the update info

[wind shore]

Wooho Wow! 🤩

[potent burrow]

unless theyve made a change in that time

[silk igloo]

yeah, and doesnt it read the radius of the explosion to be 800cm, just like a light tank?

[potent burrow]

yes its going from 1000 to 800, and DM from 100 to 90

its a nerf

[lone tangle]

Btw any of you guys experience lower fps in carentan?

[silk igloo]

do you really believe that the 20mm of the luchs, at any time, had an explosive radius of 10 meters?