mess-hall

[faint stirrup]

And checking files integrity.

After it’s my turn to join I just get 3 dots on the queue and nothing happens

[molten drift]

Weird one 😅 if restart and file check didn’t fix it, maybe try flushing DNS or checking if EAC is being funky. Worst case, a full reinstall usually clears it up.

[faint stirrup]

Well I give up then lol

Thx tho

[slate canopy]

You should get through, you have a queue infront of you?

[tall kettle]

❕** STEAM MAINTENANCE NOW ENDING** ❕
Tuesdays 3PM-6PM PDT
Tuesdays 6PM-9PM EST
Tuesdays 10PM-3AM GMT
Wednesdays 8AM-11AM AEST

Steam maintenance has now ended but some issues may still remain until a game restart

• EAC Notifications
• False Bans
• No Servers Showing
• Player Level Resets

[proud saffron]

So I played the game

And it was presented as a cool team shooter

But every squad I join just stays silent

[slate canopy]

Are you playing on official or community servers? Are you using a mic?

[proud saffron]

I've tried playing on both

But for some reason it displays ping as 0 on all community servers

Yes I am using mic unlike everyone else that's why I'm complaining

[covert elbow]

That’s just how the game is. If you want people to consistently use mics you have to join a clan or group. Otherwise it’ll be silent 70% of the time

[covert elbow]

Also another falls for the marketing

[slate canopy]

You could always switch squads and find people who use mics.

I usually can find folks.

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-gif-6194237760116490386

[pine ember]

Kharkov is in Ukraine

[night lark]

They area the map is based on is closer to Kursk city. Its only about 2 or 3km from city centre

[pine ember]

Yea it’s near Belgorod

[sonic sigil]

when they add new patch, this week?

[wind shore]

finally soviet map

[worthy charm]

Next week my boi

[worthy charm]

A rework, smolenk will come later in November

[wind shore]

bruh are you chud himself? 💀

[sonic sigil]

thanks!! I want new updated because supports can take up their supplies

[worthy charm]

Who tf is chud

[sonic sigil]

i'm waitting this mechanic

[wind shore]

nvm bro, tnx for info

[pine ember]

You wouldn’t wanna know, I had too Google it too

[worthy charm]

Am I too old already? 🥺

[pine ember]

I am too old too

Or we are too German

[worthy charm]

Maybe it both xD

[twin galleon]

wheres ben i need news

[worthy charm]

About what tho?

[twin galleon]

idk anything tbh

[worthy charm]

Its not even a week until U18 😅

And HLLV should get some new later this week.

[gentle lintel]

I think it’s the whole game

[pine ember]

For sure Both

[analog apex]

yeah, we truly believe that bad Photoshop work 😄

[fluid pawn]

I'm so glad you can see through @graceful oak's photoshop work, otherwise I'd be in trouble ahah

[past vortex]

wait, drew replaced the word "pacific" with "vietnam" ? :O

[twin galleon]

whats U18 ive never played hll

[worthy charm]

Huh👀

[twin galleon]

is it like worms?

[silk folio]

Ss uniforms when

[analog apex]

no worries, I have a better one xD
better deleted so it won't spread heh

deleted

-# (if anybody got this far and started panicking, the images above are made-up 🙂 )

[gentle lintel]

[novel geyser]

@grok is this real?

[pine ember]

They are already there

[winter rover]

oh damn, forgot this game even existed

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-gonna-make-us-all-listen-to-it-again-stan-marsh-south-park-s16e6-i-should-have-never-gone-ziplining-gif-23121314

[winter rover]

because I did

Btw

Pacific

[worthy charm]

Beyond the Wire?

No counter for you!

[pine ember]

And so it begins again...

[night lark]

You have two SS uniforms already

[novel geyser]

All we ever get is ss uniforms no more please

[past vortex]

yea, its always ss uniforms, never a scoreboard fix :{

[pine ember]

Even three

[night lark]

Whats the third? I recognise the Peadot and Oakleaf uniforms

[pine ember]

The Plane tree from the Mortain DLC

[night lark]

Oh aye i forgot that existed

I got the peadot one

[pine ember]

I bought them too to support the devs but never use them

[empty steppe]

Oh crap gotta start posting these everywhere

[worthy charm]

Make a reddit post, im sure the reddit mods would love it.

-# Im not kidding

[cyan saddle]

pls no

[fluid pawn]

For those of you that aren't in the Vietnam section of Discord, just dropped some exciting news! https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/royal-armouries-collaboration-announcement

https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/1407788404808355910/1422961357132791868

[wind shore]

Ooooo! Cool!! 😎

This is amazing!

[cosmic pilot]

If I wanted to know, I'd be in the Vietnam section.

Give tac map for Smolensk

[azure heath]

..

[cosmic pilot]

You got something to say, say it

[azure heath]

check out #honeypot

ops

[cosmic pilot]

Slowest gun in the west

[azure heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091426067501301871/1331657750421311569/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

sorry that’s the east

[pine ember]

Is there already a leaked Tac map?

[azure heath]

ofc

[cosmic pilot]

Post it in off topic, they will never think to check

[azure heath]

it’s old and not complete

[cosmic pilot]

Boo

[azure heath]

but it is it

[worthy charm]

Huh?

[pine ember]

I dont have off topic

[past vortex]

post it in suggestions, there its sure no one will see it

[cosmic pilot]

Snitches get stitches

[pine ember]

Hahaha

My Cherkassy Suggestion wasn’t seen by them

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-gif-6191050

tankers POV: ^

[azure heath]

you right

i like turkey bacon

[bold gale]

https://tenor.com/view/pear-cat-pear-cat-dance-cute-pear-cat-ai-gif-5118119506566071537

[keen breach]

Do you lot think planes would be a good addition to the game ?

[finite berry]

No

[analog apex]

no

[keen breach]

Why not

[analog apex]

HLL is not that kind of game

[wind shore]

Trust me it was

They check those suggestions

PS guys new map is coming?

Which map would be new?

[worthy charm]

Planes would take a lot of dev time, time i rather would see the devs spend on reworks and fixes. Also it wouldnt fit, planes are a commander ability, take it away and commander gets less interesting and impactful. Not even to start that they would have to add AA and stuff as a counter....

Not worth it at all.

[analog apex]

imagine... if portion of the team takes the tanks, arty, some are building, some are in recon squads far away... and if some would take even planes, what would be left of the fighting infantry? Also, the maps are well-enough modelled only within 2x2km. Outside there is nothing, the devs would have to get some substantial amount of detail ouside the map too... just for the planes.

[wind shore]

Hey guys do you know which map would be next?

This one in November

[keen breach]

I was just thinking three plane slots 3 or two each plane

[analog apex]

doesn't matter

Just doesn't fit HLL at all.

[keen breach]

I was just thinking about it because of HLL Vietnam so I was just wondering if they woukd eventually add it after they get practice

[worthy charm]

HLLV wont have planes as well.

[keen breach]

Infantry would still matter snd they would still have a heavy impact

[worthy charm]

Helis are a very diffrent thing

[analog apex]

We don't know yet how they will implement the helis.

[covert elbow]

So will this also be happening with HLL:WW2? The weapons have needed some animation and sound updating for a long time now

[keen breach]

I know but they will have helicopters and AA I think I would assume they have something to shoot down the helicopters so yeah

[analog apex]

In a game like HLL, the non-controllable planes are just enough.

[worthy charm]

Doenst matter really, it would be fun except for the pilot...

[analog apex]

The arty should be the same - an off map CMD's call-in like bombing run is. And leave the playerControlled indirect fire support for the mortars that won't be able to be too far out.

[covert elbow]

Inb4 they announce manned artillery is staying but their moving the guns to its own special area outside the map so gunners can’t be shot at

[analog apex]

which wouldn't make sense - players there would be just a waste of player slots that could be on the frontline instead

hence, it would be best as a CMD's call-in +implementation of mortars

[fervent dagger]

Regular artillery is probably staying. Bet the new stuff is an alternative.

[covert elbow]

There’s no way it can stay if they add anything else to supplement it

[analog apex]

if they will keep it, it will be another bad decision

we will see...

anyway, good night 🌃

[fervent dagger]

I'm not the biggest fan of arty but two of my mates are. Personally I'd rather use the spa if that's comparable so I'm hoping that they get lumped together.

[covert elbow]

Funny because the SPA’s aren’t going to be the artillery we thought

It’s just going to be a heavy gun medium armor tank

If the teasers and leaks are to go off of anything

[fervent dagger]

probably wouldn't be worth teasing if that's all they were

[covert elbow]

This is HLL

These devs think a new uniform pack and turning the lights off is exciting

[fervent dagger]

Guess we will see soon

[nova pivot]

Fvck the artillery and give us assault guns

[covert elbow]

They are haha

[nova pivot]

I hope they work like SPGs and not like SPAs

[pine ember]

This joke is getting old by now

[covert elbow]

They are

The tank they teased is an assault gun. Not an artillery gun

[nova pivot]

You know they will make it work like arty

[wintry thistle]

Guadalcanal

[covert elbow]

The 105mm is a howitzer so it’s technically classified as a SPA but it’s not

[pine ember]

All we need is the Tiger II

[covert elbow]

No. They just used the wrong nomenclature

[covert elbow]

You mean the tiger 69

[pine ember]

Hah yes

https://tenor.com/view/tiger2whoasked-gif-25260104

I like that thing

[peak flint]

yeah you aint gonna see that ingame probb ever xd

[pine ember]

Sadly

Tiger H1 is enough

[peak flint]

they promised so much shi 5 years ago and you have new studio that also promised alot

oh well

[pine ember]

I know

[peak flint]

i remember specifically old devs saying that they were indeed planning both m26 pershing and tiger 2s

rip

[worthy charm]

M3 lee when?

Driver with a cannon I say!!!

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[pine ember]

T28

[pine ember]

I remember that too

[nova pivot]

I have a "Lego" one

[pine ember]

These things are cool

[worthy charm]

I call cap

[peak flint]

nah fam

[pine ember]

Nah, I remember, it was a dev interview or AmA and these things were said to be added

[peak flint]

they did say it

and it seems you are one of those that came after t17 took over

so i dont blame you

[worthy charm]

Are you just trolling me or do I need the ama for the 723842th time?

[fervent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-mgs-mgs4-ocelot-liquid-ocelot-gif-18131446

The devious black matter devs making over a thousand ambitious promises before selling the ip

[pine ember]

I aint, no reason to troll you

[nova pivot]

Where Poland?

And Finland

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[worthy charm]

+1

:}

[pine ember]

Where Marvie map?

[worthy charm]

If you say so I gotta take a look later.

[pine ember]

OGs will remember that

[nova pivot]

Honestly there are a lot of reasons to troll willes

[oak current]

be nice to lil willes

he doesnt get paid

[pine ember]

Noooo

[nova pivot]

@worthy charm I love u

[worthy charm]

Im trying to get HLLV for free tho. xD

I just need to ask ben more

[covert elbow]

When we get U.S. forces in North Africa

[worthy charm]

Im sure he will give in

[oak current]

Fish-React this man!

[pine ember]

When T28?

[pine ember]

Jawoll!

[nova pivot]

When sturmtiger

[worthy charm]

*Sturmtiger

[pine ember]

That would schepper

[nova pivot]

We are getting the baby sturmtiger

[pine ember]

Jagdtiger

[nova pivot]

The stuppa

[covert elbow]

Would have been funny if in a different timeline BM kept HLL and when they did North Africa it was a US Vs. Germany map but they kept their European uniforms and loadouts

Then they just never touched them again

[pine ember]

Virgin Panzer IV vs Chad Tiger

[nova pivot]

Average BM moment

[dusky flume]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-hell-let-loose-hll-band-of-brothers-bo-b-gif-16670608

[nova pivot]

P4 is pretty chad

[pine ember]

Even more funny would be that we wouldnt have gotten North Africa at all

[covert elbow]

Get me a free copy as well. I want to take photos and be a civilian photographer

[nova pivot]

The real backbone of the German panzer divisions

[pine ember]

Tiger has a bigger barrel

[pine ember]

Not really, only in 1943

[covert elbow]

We got NA because of BM. They made the map

[nova pivot]

Poor p4 he is underrated as fvck

[covert elbow]

Who cares about that. I want the king tiger

[pine ember]

Before that it was the Panzer II, then III and from 1944 it was the Panther

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/your-not-a-sigma-sorry-you-ain't-him-bro-is-not-him-gif-14261336311648900928

[pine ember]

True, but on the Kickstarter they havent planned it

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-world-war-tank-fire-gif-16949276

This here is the tank of choice

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tank-gif-20822123

[nova pivot]

Nah, jagdpanther

[pine ember]

Tiger I is a true legend

[pine ember]

That thing is the best Jäger

[nova pivot]

I love the jagdpanther

[pine ember]

Same

Its a Panther that jags

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/jagdpanther-tank-band-of-brothers-my-honest-reaction-gif-12467662776693728526

[nova pivot]

Simply perfect

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/afrika-korps-afrika-africa-africa-corps-panzer-gif-21020414

This here is one of my favourites

[nova pivot]

Neuerfarzeugh?

Something like that right?

Neufarzeugh

I don't know man

[pine ember]

Far more simpler, Panzer III

[nova pivot]

Looks like it has 2 guns

[pine ember]

The workhorse of the Wehrmacht during its peak

[nova pivot]

The mg looked like another cannon

[pine ember]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neubaufahrzeug

This monstrocity is the Neubaufahrzeug

Early 1930s tank design at its best

[nova pivot]

The German brother of the T-28

[pine ember]

Yea, such an interesting part of history that gets often overlooked

[nova pivot]

I mean multi-turret tanks are really cool

It is a shame they weren't good enough

Imagine a modern MBT with multiple turrets

[pine ember]

Poah

That would be someting

[nova pivot]

The closest thing is the weird turret the marder has on the back

The modern marder, the ifv

[pine ember]

Or a modernized version of the Tiger tank

[worthy charm]

@pine ember There is nothing... Only tank one tank got mentioned by name:

Plus, yes, we are very keen to include US Tank Destroyers and more armour like the StuG.

[nova pivot]

Stug my beloved

[pine ember]

Which source are you using?

[nova pivot]

I love anything that is German and only shoots in one direction

[worthy charm]

The archived ama in the discord (which you guys cant see anymore)

[pine ember]

From when is that?

[worthy charm]

July 2023? There only is one ama if I remember right.

The one we had with Wombat

[nova pivot]

2 years and we have no stug

😭

[pine ember]

The one I'm referring to is from 2021 or something like that

[worthy charm]

Dude they talked about S mines and smokes for tank! I couldnt even remember this.

[worthy charm]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/686810/view/2997692090048139310

(and eventually the Tiger II, IS-2 and Pershing)

-# actually asked chat gpt lol

[pine ember]

Yep

[nova pivot]

Rework of the rework

[worthy charm]

I couldnt find it because its not a ama

but yeah, BM said it.

[worthy charm]

That rework wasnt a rework at all.

[nova pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[worthy charm]

Its similar to the recent Medic rework

-# sry but its true

[covert elbow]

“effects and many more aspects (such as no longer allowing AT to reload a launcher/AT rifle while sprinting!)”

Well that would have been nice

Combine that with MG’s and you got a pretty good (and much needed) nerf on your hands

[worthy charm]

What I thought when I saw the part with "s-mine launchers and smoke dispensers" for tanks in the 2023 ama

Imagine driver presses a key and kill everyone in a 10m radius

[covert elbow]

“Heavy Tanks have often seemed like the majority of the vehicles on the battlefield - which does not reflect the historical weighting and lead to problems elsewhere”

Yet another problem they didn’t fix and still happens to this day

“In line with rebalancing armour and the introduction of anti-tank rifles, we’ve added the engine components to vehicles in order to allow different, less-potent forms of anti-tank weaponry to effectively hinder and nullify armour in ways that aren’t a simple critical-kill.

It is now possible to knock out a vehicle's engine by penetrating the engine bay - resulting in its total immobilisation.”

Basically impossible to knock out a tanks engine with an AT rifle and it doesn’t even immobilize it!

[worthy charm]

A problem they wanted to fix now and people didnt seem to like max. 2 heavy tank. 😅

[covert elbow]

Yea

People really think that capping heavy tanks is a bad idea and I don’t know why

There’s a myriad of other ways to destroy an enemy heavy tank so I’m pretty sure it’s just a bunch tankers who want their string heavy tank and simply can’t fathom using anything else

Also re-reading that dev brief just reminded me how inept BM is haha. Wonder how their new game is going

[worthy charm]

Dont make me hungry

[covert elbow]

Dude I can’t event look the game up

Cause suprise suprise, looking up “Hunger game” gives you a different result

[thin lotus]

Tanks have never fit into hll gameplay

[finite berry]

@icy plank

I found your soulmate

[cosmic pilot]

you never fit into hll gameplay

[covert elbow]

Guns have never fit into HLL’s gameplay

[cosmic pilot]

🫃

[covert elbow]

Hell, why don’t we go further and just say gameplay has never fit HLL

Problem solved eh?

[cyan saddle]

Wellsy doesn't deserve this

[worthy charm]

Hll should have been a Board game

Or a TCG

[cyan saddle]

It would have costed a 100 buckaroos if it were one

[covert elbow]

I mean it was meant to be a company of hero’s inspired game so should have been something from that genre

[thin lotus]

Teleports behind your pawn
Caps your queen
Nothin personnel

[covert elbow]

Single player action game would have been better though

Be a super ultra badass US operative who kills Hitler with his bare hands and gets the girl at the end

[dusky flume]

What does “maj” mean is it one of the teams in hll?

[covert elbow]

Major

[dusky flume]

Ohh i see thank u !!!🙏🏻

[covert elbow]

<@&365680483276816385>

[covert elbow]

Your welcome

[grave shell]

wdym

[covert elbow]

You aren’t a scam bot????

[grave shell]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-to-check-the-rule-book-ryan-bailey-aggro-smite-i-have-to-inspect-the-rule-book-gif-18575962

[grave shell]

no

[covert elbow]

My mistake then

[grave shell]

just very off topic link

[covert elbow]

Your better off putting that in #ww2-history anyways

[grave shell]

no acces

i am going to delete it, thanks for telling me

[covert elbow]

And btw, if your looking to get into rennactment don’t buy anything from epic militaria except for a specific few items. Most of their stuff is cheap Chinese crap

[covert elbow]

It’s ww2 history

[grave shell]

okay

Any specific suggestions on eshops?

[covert elbow]

I’m not certain on German stuff but I can send you a discord invite to a rennactment server where people can help you out

[river rover]

ℹ️ Windows 11, version 25H2 Releasedℹ️

[past vortex]

:O

[dusky flume]

Is anyone else having network issues to get into hll or is it just my terrible internet

[cunning cedar]

tis ur terrible internet

[dusky flume]

Oh ☹️

Its working now dw

[jagged karma]

hi

[gentle lintel]

Did Aristotle say this?

[jagged karma]

[floral wedge]

@slate depot has his birthday today - don't forget to say something nice to him today

[wind shore]

@slate depot Hi! And Happy Birthday! 🎂 🥳

[faint portal]

https://hll-armor-hub.com

[slate canopy]

How about share that in #1273828697941606450 ? 😄

[frigid thunder]

[worthy charm]

Amazing how this comes a week after I helped my father update to W11. 🥲

[analog apex]

👀
HLL just got under 3600 (Steam) players. If anybody still thinks the drop was due the summer holidays, think again 😏 .

Currently 2000 players on Steam, 300-400 on other platforms. So the playercounts only show what I was trying to point out even in the summer, but got declined with "it's summer" argument.
Hopefully it's clear now - the downtrend is there and is not stopping yet.

[thin scarab]

You feel better now?

[analog apex]

Nah, I just felt I need to close this and respond to the "summer" argument I got countered with back then.

[finite berry]

It's close to 11:00 in Europe on a workday 🫠

[analog apex]

It's not about the time - Steam playercounts show avg and peaks.

[finite berry]

"Currently 2000 players on Steam, 300-400 on other platforms."

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782

[analog apex]

That was just for the comparison of ratios of Steam vs different platforms.

The numbers may be different in the evening, but the ratio usually holds.

The point was that Steam chart is still a very reliable source to see the trends (downtrend in this case).

And that the trend keeps going down.

We'll see how it is when the update comes out. The map probably won't attract too much attention, but hopefully the "new mechanics" (whatever that is) will. It will have to be a big one though and hopefully not the tinkerer, otherwise the downtrend may very well even increase.

[worthy charm]

This discussion has been going on longer than 98% of people still playing the game.

[analog apex]

But I have been wondering - do we know about any other "brand new mechanics" apart of the mobile arty and tinkerer? Something behind the scenes?

[worthy charm]

Im very very tired of it...

[analog apex]

nobody's forcing you to react back. I just felt I still owed one from the summer time when some peeps were telling me the numbers will go back up after the summer that's all.

[worthy charm]

Its about as bad as discussing why the Thomson sight isnt accurate.

Or why we dont need planes.

Or why the current arty meta is really bad.

Or why I dont like math

[analog apex]

🤔

[worthy charm]

At least not on the north africa maps...

[analog apex]

#sub-factions

[solar slate]

The sales and game pass killed the game ironically

It kinda sucks *ss without the beating core of players who routinely talk, teach, and build the garries

I wouldn't stick around either if I just started and no one was talking in the mic, the game didn't seem tactical or like there's some grand plan going on, and every other game is a trainwreck

And I was just running aimlessly around the map

That's the majority new player experience now

[finite berry]

How did it kill the game when it's clearly still alive

[finite berry]

Which also kinda is on the vets for not really helping newbies. It's not like they don't ask for help here.

[analog apex]

gamepass?

there is no gamepass in HLL... or...?

[river rover]

He's referring to Microsoft Gamepass \ PC Microsoft Store

[analog apex]

aaaaah

I totally put that out of my mind

my bad

[solar slate]

Because the new people overwhelmed the old playerbase in numbers whose matches severely dropped in quality and they started leaving, with no one to teach the unintuitive systems of the game the churn of new players never stopped. It started a death spiral

It's in slow motion ofc but that's the broad cause

[wind shore]

Brasil porra

[solar slate]

New player xp is atrocious, it was always carried by the community and when the community was watered down beyond repair the devs did not step up sufficiently to improve the systems to be more intuitive

[silk igloo]

Nobody taught us either, many players are just disinterested bandwagoners who wont learn even if they could simply read a guide that didn't exist for us. Much less try things out themselves in the practice range that also didn't exist for us. In 2019 the peak player count was 1500 interested players. I'd rather have that than 150,000 casuals.

Hell, most cant even speak english

[faint portal]

[silk igloo]

Also I think it's quite inevitable for any game. If you're not among the first ones, among the first wave of interest, it'll never be the same. Everything is already discovered and the gap between a new player and a good one is dozens of times greater than in the beginning. It's very demotivating.

This discord has ~15k people "online" probably at any given time, and several times more offline, and there's just the same dozen guys here every day

[finite berry]

I get that, I just have the feeling that the already existing community could've been more proactive in regards to helping newbies.

Perhaps I'm wrong, it's just the impression I've gotten

[solar slate]

it would have required a gargantuan effort well beyond what's reasonable for what's just a part of your hobby

[grizzled kiln]

Key being, that some of the basics of this game aren't particularly intuitive. So people just run around like in BF / COD.

[molten sail]

its an arcade game with sim elements that is why its actually optimal to run around like its COD

[worthy charm]

Why do you guys call the poor Luchs a panzer 2? 😭

Poor german tanks, they work so hard for their cat names.

[silk igloo]

I recently tried a few games and the communities I joined were very helpful and nice. Still demotivating to play compared to a casual match. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like helpfulness isn't relevant at all. Maybe even detrimental? Maybe people would rather have an abusive drill instructor to guide them.

[past vortex]

because it is one

[worthy charm]

But better

Not even the Luchs deserves this treatment.

-# Even tho its the worst tank in the game

[silk igloo]

damn, it WOULD be fun if the commander was an abusive american DI. or a german shouting german at you, as the germans

[past vortex]

its the best in some situations

[worthy charm]

You could say that about every tank...

Its by far the worst light in Tank to tank combat, even against infantry the stuart is better because of the 2 mgs

[past vortex]

naw, the other light tanks are never better than the recon vehicles

[faint portal]

@reef birch mentioned the same thing. i proably should call it "luchs" to be consistant with the in game name hahahah

[worthy charm]

Its not that important. 😅
I got a question tho

What the hell is the answer to that one? Im having slight issues making out the tank.

-# maybe I should get my eyes checked

[finite berry]

It's clearly a Churchill, are you blind

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/its-still-a-work-in-progress-madison-nears-peyton-list-school-spirits-s1-e3-gif-2804744682898128992

[worthy charm]

You meanie

[faint portal]

it probably is tbh that churchill always gives me issues on that page hahaha

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[faint portal]

john cena tank

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-john-cena-gif-18864860

[finite berry]

If it's actually a Churchill I'm gonna laugh my as s off

[faint portal]

im pretty sure it is tbh

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[worthy charm]

You are such a modest person

[finite berry]

Indeed I am >:)

[worthy charm]

Sorry, I just found it to be funny.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/indeed-indeed-indeed-indeed-indeed-detective-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-captain-ray-holt-andre-braugher-gif-16987690

-# :}

[faint portal]

@worthy charm how u like tho?

[past vortex]

question is: can you update it for u18

and it needs to mark the always bounce zones and motor pen spots

[worthy charm]

Pretty cool, im probably rather sending people to this side instead of the tank bible. Its already more accurate, even though the tank rework isnt even out yet. 😅

[past vortex]

at weapon guide is missing tho :}

[worthy charm]

An AT guide isnt a bad idea

[faint portal]

I can assure you it'll be 100% updated for U18
So the second I am allowed to share U18 data that's when it'll be on there
That's where I'll start working on pen charts/where to shoot etc
I don't think anyone knows yet if there will be weak spots or not. I genuinely have no idea lol but I didn't want to do all this work and then it all change and have to do it again

[azure heath]

very nice raz!

just checked it out

[faint portal]

Plz do!
Although the tank Bible has WAY more info, I feel like it's toooooo detailed for the everyday person. This is designed to be a bit more user friendly and info you would want for like every tank engagement not the once in a lifetime shot kinda thing

[faint portal]

Ty!!! Glad you like it
This is phase 1 so like intantry hub is coming later when I have time

[azure heath]

can’t wait!

although i do have a suggestion

idk if you already have it or not, but yknow those models in squad that show penetration on each side of the tank; some 3d model like that would be really cool but ik it’d be a lot of work. Maybe Achilles and special hit zones too

[past vortex]

thats very nice

[worthy charm]

That would be crazy but cool

[worthy charm]

Looking forward to it. 🔥

[azure heath]

i also saw that you’re ready for vietnam too

love being that 1 step ahead

[silk igloo]

if you kidnap and extort someone for information, does it still count as breach of the NDA

where does raz live btw

[azure heath]

florida

[silk igloo]

breaking news, florida man has the tables turned on him as the finnish man kidnapped him over a video game

[faint portal]

exactly my thoughts too, but again i dont want to "do that work" now and then say next week when they update it or IF they update it ill have to do it again lol

[faint portal]

ofccccc super hype for that

[faint portal]

hahaha dude i dont even have that data, i legit have NO clue what they plan for U18 but when i get it i'll be probably under NDA until release but i can without a doubt say as of this moment right now i have no clue what they plan to do for the armor rework whatsoever. wether thats new data/new weak spots/new tanks nothing. no clue

[cosmic pilot]

That's easy, we're not getting anything that wasn't in the pte.

So at best, the tank movement and turret speed is all we're getting

That means no damage armor mechanics changes

[silk igloo]

bouncy tanks would be hilarious to have in a real game, so i'm fine

[grizzled kiln]

That was a practice range bug tho

[cosmic pilot]

No on road/off road performance

[grizzled kiln]

Will be nice to finally drive a medium and not get stuck on everything.

[silk igloo]

it was also on explore, but yeah. still is, the pte hasn't changed right. go fly with your tank when you still can

[cosmic pilot]

The tinker system is not only badly named, it's tonally deaf to the expectations of the playerbase

[grizzled kiln]

Unless the Tinker is a tank crew member, would just make you more reliant on others as a tanker. Ie it's not going to work

[faint portal]

i wouldnt be toooo sure tbh

My basic understanding is that alot of the components they have had to remove and re create
I would assume that some of the data has been adjusted.

Imo best case scenario is they make these data points modular to the point where it's "as realistic as possible" within game sense but able to be balanced quickly

but def speed changes for sure seems confirmed as we def saw that in the PTE

[grizzled kiln]

Just make the tanks more varied with speed and turret rotation+ armor and stuff. No need for the Tinker at all

S44 did it best.

[silk igloo]

I'd assume that they would make every shell have their realistic trajectory.

[cosmic pilot]

U18 is "the beginning of the armor rework"
Meaning they failed to have a cohesive enough rework to implement everything at once which is bad

[faint portal]

I was not a huge fan of that too, especially if it wasnt like a visual change
I'm not sure if they are still going with it or not I havent been keeping up but I'm pretty sure everyone universally disliked that

I could get if say you could change in HQ and it would change like the variant of PZ4 you have for example to like the visually heavily side armoreed one or something, but if nothing changed visually that would be a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE mis step

[faint portal]

legit no clue where they are at on it, I have not been brought behind the curatin on any of it which i feel is a bit worrying. Not saying in anyway that I'm THE EXPERT but I'd like them to bring comp ppl in or SOMETHING to help them refine it... like idk who if anyone they brought it to provide insight

[silk igloo]

At first the tinkerer sounded videogamey and silly, but it was a thing the crewmen actually did, like welding ad-hoc hedge cutters or extra armour. Like most of the jumbos being field constructions?

[cosmic pilot]

No, it's just straight up gamey

[grizzled kiln]

And IRL it would not have much of an impact tbh

[faint portal]

I think conceptually it's cool. in game it would be cool, but execution would need to be TIGHT and not super gamey. Like "only in spawn" and "takes a super long time" or something like that

[faint portal]

agreed

[grizzled kiln]

At least we'll get a lot fewer heavies. They are boring anyway. But other tanks needs a buff to be viable options against those fewer heavies.

[faint portal]

I dont think the heavy cap is a good idea AT ALL

weakspots imo is the play. make more tanks viable, keep heavies relatively strong but make tank battles LONGER and MORE skill based imo

or rather high skill cieling but fairly easy learning curve

[past vortex]

i wonder if will they do anything to satchels...

[grizzled kiln]

I think it's a good step in the right direction. But the other tanks need to be able to fight against heavies

[faint portal]

HLL traditionally is "approachable realism" which is like easy controls but somewhat based in realism

[grizzled kiln]

Not like now, where they just get one tapped.

[grizzled kiln]

Hope so, way too many loadouts has it.

[faint portal]

you are 100% spot on. Panther cheeks for example, more of that and not get one tapped

armor doesnt move fast enough in HLL to ever get away from a heavy.

[past vortex]

i think medics should get a satchel too

[grizzled kiln]

They should take inspiration from S44. It has amazing tank play. Where smaller tanks actually make a difference with a good crew. And a heavy tank will get destroyed if it has a lower skilled crew.

[grizzled kiln]

Just give it to all roles and call it a day 🙂

[silk igloo]

I'd like it if tank duels weren't so on/off. If you lose, you lose hard, regardless of how the situation on the map is. If you got satcheled near friendlies and it only killed the crew and damaged the tank, it wouldn't be a total loss. If tinkering included salvaging wrecks, a loss in friendly-controlled territory wouldn't be so bad.

[past vortex]

that would be great, i have been playing with the grease gun a lot lately, just fr the satchel :}

[grizzled kiln]

Grease gun has prob the worst iron sight I've seen in any game 😄

[past vortex]

you are also dead before the 1st shots even goes off :}

[night lark]

All of the 75 and 57mm allied guns can actually pierce the front plate of a Tiger at the ranges most HLL tank battles happen. At the very least, theyd spall the crew to death

[faint portal]

no killing crew inside armor, that even in sq 44 is annoying af lol

at least in sq44 you can drive super fast back to an HQ or garry. HLL it'll take 10 years

[silk igloo]

Well, only for satchels it'd just be an upgrade for a tankers life. Rather only lose the crew and recover the tank than lose everything. The only problem is that empty tanks could get lost on the field, vehicle cap is reached, and there's no way to despawn them. There really should be a way to destroy friendly vehicles even now.

[night lark]

Crew kills are realistic. It is effectively a mission kill and should be a thing. The frequency of it happening in S44 is the problem

[cosmic pilot]

The heavy cap is the best part of the rework.
After turret speed

[grizzled kiln]

Let's see the changes on turret speed first.

[finite berry]

It doesn't happen that often, tho. Right now, it happens more often due to a fix and accidental overbuff to APHE, but that should get fixed in the future

[finite berry]

^^due to APHE fix I just mentioned

[grizzled kiln]

Is there even one ? Practically no players left now.

[thin lotus]

Tedium gameplay 🙅‍♂️

[finite berry]

What one?

[night lark]

Ngl, S44 is the most fun ive ever had playing tanks in a game. Running about in a two man crew french tank is goated

[grizzled kiln]

s44..had like 200 players last I looked 😄

I remember playing in armored mode with a full server. Those were the days.

[finite berry]

Which is enough for two or more full servers everyday. So yes, it's still getting plqyed

[night lark]

We dont need another debate about S44.

Yes the player count is low. You can still reliably get 2 or 3 games a night as you would on HLL because whether you like it or not, 200-300 players is enough to keep 2 or 3 servers going.

[grizzled kiln]

But armored mode will be gone forever 🙁 I don't play as inf.

[cosmic pilot]

*2 servers with 50 players in queue

[finite berry]

Happens RARELY, but from time to time there are still events being held

Plus, you can still play tanks in regular matches

[finite berry]

Literally impossible due to the max queue limit being 15 😉

[grizzled kiln]

I know. But I much prefer armored mode

[night lark]

I dont play either that often but the fact i see about 5 or 6 people a night in my clan playing both games says alot about how dead S44 actually is

[finite berry]

In any case, crew kills should be a thing

People often forget how lethal even non-penetrating hits can be

[night lark]

A not insignificant number of german tanks were decrewed because British and American tank crews shot White Phosphorus at them…

[finite berry]

Correct

[grizzled kiln]

Fine by me. But fewer satchels. Limit loadouts per team. Its getting silly when every other player has a satchel.

[finite berry]

And T-34s sometimes got taken out by non-penetrating hits due to the armour cracking due to low steel quality

Same with late-war German tanks

[grizzled kiln]

With fewer heavies and without a satchel nerf, will be like flies on sh*t

[finite berry]

The satchel spam has to end either way

(just like the automatic spam :))

[grizzled kiln]

yup

[faint portal]

i assure you without a reasonable doubt it is not.

You THINK it is, but when you play an actual game you realize

1. germans are the only ones with 2 heavy tanks (no 75 jumbo does not count)
2. once your teams heavy tank is down its 10 min of every tank your team has dying in one hit no matter what with no counter
3. your infantry just gets spammed by the other teams (germans) 2 heavy tanks and several other med/light tanks

then you just rage quit. That's the reality if you have that as of today.

Now if EVERY team had 2 heavy tanks- mediums were actually viable and able to somehow counter, then yes i agree with you. but in HLL as of right now, no. Turret speed doesnt matter when you die in one shot anyway to a heavy b/c again.. you cannot get away from a "good" heavy team in HLL. They are just going to sit back and wait for you to peak everytime

[grizzled kiln]

For factions with just one type of heavy, the logical consequence is that they can have two of the same type.

Unless devs introduce more types of heavies. I doubt that

[faint portal]

nope, not in HLL

the way i believe it worked in the PTE was unique. It was that specific vehicle. you could not have two 76's or two tigers for example. it was specific to that tank

[grizzled kiln]

there's no way they allow Axis to have two heavies and not Allies

that would be the dumbest move ever, I'm sure they have thought that through.

[faint portal]

i agree though, it should OBVIOUSLY work as the tank type limit
but that's not how it functioned. now to say that hasnt changed since pte idk ofc

again, PTE so not finalized verison

should def be for tank class type

[grizzled kiln]

then either add additional heavy types for allies, or get rid of tiger or panther

[faint portal]

agreed 100%

[grizzled kiln]

yeah, agree. for tank class type.

[faint portal]

exactly, that makes logical sense

now the problem is you have one solo guy takes one of the heavies... now that one is down for 10 minutes and your team gets rolled for the time it takes for him to full send and respawn

[grizzled kiln]

yeah, that can be a problem.

[dusky flume]

being anti tank on that map were theres loads of heavy tanks is crazy

[grizzled kiln]

You could set a minimum number of team members per crew

[dusky flume]

i forgot what it is called

[grizzled kiln]

All maps will have many heavy tanks 😄

its the meta..for now

[dusky flume]

ohh i see

do all tanks have weak points

because i do barely any damage to some tanks

[past vortex]

commander manages that already, or he doesnt and its all yolo anyway

[faint portal]

and when thinking of balance, imo you want to balance what the majority of ppl play.. which is "casual" so that will happen ALOT...

so imo, that's where you just dont cap the heavies but instead make all other tanks just more viable

you should not have only heavies being played. There should be designated tanks like an "anti inf" tank with a "heavy tank" with a mechanized inf with a "tank destroyer" etc (blue sky imo)

but you shouldnt only see heavies no matter where you go. Med tanks should be able to work together to out manuever and out play a single heavy

[reef birch]

Wasn't 75 Jumbo the "anti-inf" tank back in the day before they nerfed the HE radius?

Would be cool if that was buffed back the way it used to be

[faint portal]

tbh idk if that was always a myth... but 100% confirmed now it is def not. no change in explosion radius compared to the other heavies but it absolutely should be useful in some sort of way

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-comeon-stickman-bored-gif-22722853

me every time someone gets a 75 jumbo

[past vortex]

75 does work if there is no tank opposition :}

i even spawned one once as commander :D

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/box-of-shame-box-shame-gif-5716656840447945106

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/get-him-south-park-its-christmas-in-canada-s7e15-seize-him-gif-22110406

[past vortex]

in my defense i had so much fuel that i was really concerned that the USA might invade me personally

[faint portal]

so never LOL

[worthy charm]

Ok thats fair

[thorn phoenix]

Can anybody from @atomic pendant let me in to discord for ban appeal? I've had Bunker ban lifted from several servers would like to appeal Soul Sniper SOF as well

[velvet sierra]

I just wanted to stop by and apologize for being so deadly with the satchel. I know I've destroyed many of your dreams and ambitions dear hll friends.... 👀 🤣

[cosmic pilot]

You're getting too bogged down in specifics.
Answer this question, why should a team have access to the best tank in the game whenever they want without limitation, where the consequence is making other tanks irrelevant to buy.

[atomic pendant]

You've tried to appeal three times to date and we've decided to uphold the ban after reviewing, so unfortunately I think we will have to decline yet another appeal attempt.

[thorn phoenix]

How long ago was the original ban and the last appeal?

[faint portal]

the specifics are important for sure b/c that's gameplay wise how it's going to play. you should always think about gameplay over realism imo.

to answer your question, it's a game it has to be fun.

HLL is not a full milsim, its an approachable realstic game. When you look at squad 44, it's TOO realistic and it bogs down the experience. That's why that game is struggling with player count

[atomic pendant]

I don't know but frankly I'm not going to spend my time digging for it when we've already made a decision on it multiple times now.

It sounds like you've been unbanned from some other servers so you shuld have options

[thorn phoenix]

Well I’m unemployed and willing to help seed during slow hours, and have reformed my behavior. I hope you will reconsider at some point

Thanks for the responses

[past veldt]

Have a community vote on it in here

What's your steam ID? I'll find the report and share it

[worthy charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/363877549534740480/1420452639702782162/a7340d.gif

[thorn phoenix]

I pasted it but it went away

[past veldt]

Lmao, I found it

Yeah idk man, I'd keep you banned too 😂

[dusky flume]

what did he do?

[thorn phoenix]

What did I even say?

[past veldt]

I can't link the evidence unfortunately, as it's just a txt file

But you were just being a bit of a bell

It's not that bad

[thorn phoenix]

??? You can’t post excerpts?

[trail stag]

He said the gamer word

[past veldt]

I can't upload files to here no

I cba to turn a screenshot into a gif to get around the file rules

[thorn phoenix]

You can’t copy and paste text okay

[past veldt]

Formatting came through okay. Better than I thought

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-cringe-fake-smile-gif-14838421114574087139

[cosmic pilot]

I'm asking you to approach this from a design perspective.
If heavy tanks are not limited, they become the only meaningful player choice all the time. By heavies being essentially unlimited you are reducing the amount of viable, meaningful player decisions to make.
The performance of heavy tanks justifies limitations on availability. The max allowable performance of the unit must be proportional to it's availability. Since heavy tanks are highly available now, they are less powerful than they could be if they were less available.

[past veldt]

Willes going to nuke that one

[dusky flume]

he was banned for teram killing

[past veldt]

My favourite bit is just saying kkk immediately upon joining

[dusky flume]

L

[thorn phoenix]

That’s because of my keyboard actually - I rest my right hand on JKL; and my middle finger is longer than the rest so I am constantly entering “k” “kk” etc by accident

[faint portal]

I get where you're coming from for sure

But I'll flip it to you, given that you think they should be limited how would that then balance comparatively to the other tanks

[faint portal]

more like the text chat and tk's

[dusky flume]

ohh i see thats not good

[thorn phoenix]

I’m a very passionate commander so I take full ownership of the bad words I actually said

[past veldt]

It's pretty light compared to 99.9% of bans

But yknow, each server gets to pick who gets banned or not from their own server

[cosmic pilot]

Balance relative to infantry at is the more important issue.
Which as far as we know, the tank rework is not addressing

[past veldt]

Limiting tanks is going to make the tank meta insanely stale.

It already favours surviving in your heavy over making plays, but if you're limited in your heavies in the way they're trying then it's going to be unforgivable to die in one

[faint portal]

what would you propose as a change in balance there? Genuinely curious, I dont necessarily agree that it's MORE important meaning that it should be balanced based off that first. However I do believe there needs to be a balance with the dmg model of the pzr schreck vs. bazooka

[thorn phoenix]

@atomic pendant given the transcript above (no racism, heat of the moment outburst on my part) and how long ago the incident transpired would you be willing to reconsider, perhaps with a form of probation?

[past veldt]

I'd give up mate

[faint portal]

exactly my ponit and thoughts

[trail stag]

Just play World of Tanks

Planes will balance tanks

[cosmic pilot]

Lethal AT needs to be locally limited to match the local nature of the tank.
I would put rocket launchers into it's own squad similar to recon with a limit of 2-3 squads. This limits the location of lethal at to 2-3 OPs plus 8 garrisons. This means that a tank can directly counter infantry at by either moving to a location where there are no at OPs, or by destroying them with direct fire to force relocation from a garrison.

Mobility or firepower disabling at should be be widely available as it is now.

Now, in regards to heavy tank vs other tanks/assets it becomes more complicated to address because there's more dimensions to the design.

[worthy charm]

Which one? 👀

[faint portal]

I think that's fine, but i dont think those squads should be "soley" at squads ( not sure what your thought is of what that squad scope looks like but im assuming a regular squad type with like supply guy/at etc)

but i'm cool with that, so long as it doesnt promote just back line AT squads running around everywhere. Should be directly tethered to other assets like a support needing more ammo/etc. In no way should there ever be something that promotes more solo play

(cough cough... SPA's?.... arty...... etc)

[cosmic pilot]

But the basic principle is eliminating the value of the enemy tank should have equal cost.

[thin lotus]

AT squads would be goofy

[worthy charm]

One day I surely get my S mine ans Smoke launchers on tanks

[oak current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1422281284146696304/a735ao.gif

Bergsketball

[cosmic pilot]

My design doesn't encourage solo at more than it's already encouraged.
It essentially doesn't change the incentive, only the amount of people who can do it at one time.

[thin lotus]

You’d create this cringey notion similar to that of recon where if you’re getting pummeled by a tank, you’re now just blaming whatever AT squad is present.

Less scapegoats for team failure = better synergy

AT squads are anti synergy

[cosmic pilot]

Ok and.

[thin lotus]

the suggestion is bad is what I’m saying

It’s just creating another avenue for blaming

[cosmic pilot]

I mean. It's not.

[dusky flume]

i cant wait to drive the helicopters in hll

[faint portal]

this is my vibe as well
I mean, it seems like he wants something similar to what squad/squad 44 have though so it's not un heard of and it works fairly well in those games

I just also know it locks an additional role from everyone playing and really only promotes "veterans" to play those roles. One thing i HATE about sq 44 is i end up playing rifleman/medic bc all the specialty role are always taken

I really thing the main AT issue is rocket damage needs to be consistant (pzr schreck should not pen med sherman front) and they need to limit which classes get the satchels b/c too many can have that

[past veldt]

NOTHING, NO PROBLEMS HERE SIR

[slate canopy]

Let's not post that here. That would be better in a DM

[past veldt]

(that one Willes )

[dusky flume]

do u think that anti tank could shoot the helicopters down?

[cosmic pilot]

I'm already making a distinction between lethal at and widely available at.

Regular infantry squads would still have access to less lethal at

[faint portal]

less lethal at?

[cosmic pilot]

Yes

[faint portal]

is that even a thing lol

[dusky flume]

what is AT?

[faint portal]

what would you consider less lethal at? non satchel

[worthy charm]

Thats something for #base-camp... but yes

[cosmic pilot]

No, but it should be

Unless you count the Russian at rifle

[worthy charm]

Anti Tank

[dusky flume]

oh sorry about that i will remember for the future!

[faint portal]

lolol you never made that distinction before here tho lol

[cosmic pilot]

At mines that only damage tracks
At grenades than can pen the turret but don't do hill damage etc

[cosmic pilot]

I literally did

Go back and read

[analog apex]

Let's just make a dedicated AT squad type, limit it to xy per team, remove satchels from nonAT classes and replace with TNT for those.

and make AT available just in AT squad and only AT guy access to the satchel

[faint portal]

i think you're now getting in the weeds 😛

I'm just talking high level

AT needs consistent rocket dmg- satchels need to be slightly mitigated on who can have one

tanks need to be all somewhat viable and not ONLY pick heavies. Teams should not also be punished for having a bad heavy tank crew

[grizzled kiln]

And there needs to be some sort of limit to AT

[past veldt]

There needs to be a limit to satchels

The amount of rockets isn't really that bad

[grizzled kiln]

def

[cosmic pilot]

At rockets do not need consistent damage between teams because it robs the design of faction asymmetry.

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah you could argue rockets are acceptable, but satchels are just plain silly at the moment

[faint portal]

as long as the tanks can shrug off rockets, by playing "tactically" and there is a risk reward i think it doesnt matter how many rocket players there are. I rarely die by rockets, i die by satchels nearly exclusively lol

[worthy charm]

Cooldown for satchels are something to think about and/or less satchel overall. 3 imo is just to much, assault doesnt need one...

[cosmic pilot]

Teams do not need to be punished for having a bad tank crew.
The bad crew is enough punishment.

[faint portal]

i get that, but again if we are looking to have other tanks be viable... the M4 sherman is useless if rockets can pen front

[past veldt]

Good driving with good Comms from the spotter usually solves AT. But satchels are so easy to sneak into place

[cosmic pilot]

As is currently, with no other changes to the design, yes

[faint portal]

and the glitch between tracks is so dumb. if you can put it on, you should be able to equally take it of

[cosmic pilot]

Which is why the tank rework is just bad if it doesn't also change infantry at

[past veldt]

Satchels which damage tanks should just be limited to AT players. This way there is an actual choice to make

[analog apex]

only if the tank stands right next to some objects that block vision

[faint portal]

which again, is dumb game design

i like asymetrical balance, but you cant just make every team the germans face medium tank be completly useless

[past veldt]

It's just about timing. They can be in the relative open and it's possible to sneak it on. Just wait until they're starting a tank engagement.

And most tanks are near cover to retreat in and out of anyway

[analog apex]

nah
tell it to the tank Commanders, I got killed plenty of times while the tank was engaging and I was trying to sneak upon it - if the tank Commander isn't a noob, he will be aware

[worthy charm]

They should really either nerf the Panzerschreck or buff the bazooka penetration.
(Im just a casual tho)

[silk igloo]

All tanks are viable in pummeling the strongpoint. Rockets should deviate a lot at range so that 600m rocket snipes wouldn't be a thing. Mediums should not be killed by 2 rockets from the front, either tweak hp/dmg or make a new state between alive and dead

I'd rather debuff rockets and make AT-guns the main AT weapon

[past veldt]

It's really easy. I'm laying down near tanks all the time across pubs, events, and comp games

[analog apex]

then you are probably killing a noob crew xD

easy with those, ofc.

but not with high LVL clan/comp peeps

[past veldt]

I play for WTH

I'm doing it against every team we play

[analog apex]

no sh?t 😄

[analog apex]

I could tell you I killed 400 peeps in a match yesterday, would have the same believability level

[grizzled kiln]

With the current meta even a good crew is screwed against good AT.

[analog apex]

if the tank is in the open, there is usually no way to sneak on it if the crew isn't dumb

[grizzled kiln]

Especially the sneaky satchel peeps 😄

[analog apex]

another tankers type is the tanks that are constantly moving

those are hard to get too

unless one can use the chance and jump+crouch on them or to their side

[grizzled kiln]

That is more of my style, but its not easy with the broken mediums.

Now give me a t34 or cromwell, and it's pedal to the metal ❤️

[past veldt]

https://youtu.be/cYiKKL0wzAI?si=oTGund9DOVivjS-P

Go to 3:10 here

[finite berry]

What? You don't want that everyone is a wannabe rambo throwing satchels left and right?

[past veldt]

This is exclusively high tier comp games iirc

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[past veldt]

Sneaking around random stuff is

1. Easy
2. something I do all the time

[analog apex]

you know you are able to make a timelinked link? I am lazy. Anyway, it's "best of". Not "every tank vs satchel encounter".

the thing is anyone can say whatever... because the bad ones are usually not published

[past veldt]

I'll request YouTube to add this feature their mobile app

[analog apex]

aaah you are on mobile? get to PC 😜

[past veldt]

Anyway, idk man, it's easy for me to sneak up to stuff. It's just entirely about timings

My entire role for WTH is based around being a rat

[winter rover]

Finally something actually interesting coming https://youtu.be/M-1qQbl00bw?si=5cl_t_YteyukTYwV

[analog apex]

I have been ratting the tanks with satchels too. I don't ever use rockets.

That's why I just don't agree.

how is a running guy on the vid any connected to the satchellng/sneaking up on a tank?

[past veldt]

There are loads of clips after that

[analog apex]

omg don't make me to search for the stuff

[past veldt]

They're all in a row

But the point is, a little patience and luck, and ratting away when you shouldn't be able to is possible

[analog apex]

ok, gimme the ones with sneaking up on the tanks in the open and in a short timeframe

right, timestamps not there

[past veldt]

I only play SL, but it's evidence that regardless of how good someone is, you can get by them and close to them

[analog apex]

so... you are comparing lying down prone camping in a bush, with sneaking up on a tank in the open and consider it an evidence? way to go my man

[past veldt]

At that level, it's pretty uncommon to find a tank in the open anyway, but if they're engaged, you can just walk right past them

Past anyone

[analog apex]

luckily enough, not on the video of course

[past veldt]

It's okay Sam, I understand you're upset you can't do these things

[analog apex]

good try 😄

he says he plays SL only, but at the same time you are telling me you are able to get to a tank and satchel it

logic doesn't work here

[faint portal]

hahah that's kinda my thoughts tbh... but i think the asymettrical balance that would be cool is like maybe you can pen but its harder if you angle or something b/c the angle DOES matter but not for like 90% of the time. That angle of attack should be alot less forgiving for example if it can pen the front of a tank. it should be a straight 90 degree angle to pen

[past veldt]

I'm sorry you're unable to extrapolate out from the thing directly in front of you

[analog apex]

I am sorry for you 🙂 .

why would you show me a video that has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

the topic is not sneaking up on random peeps but on tanks

[past veldt]

Can someone get Sam's helpers

He has escaped again

[past veldt]

You know inside a tank, there are people right?

[analog apex]

you didn't show anything and the only thing you have is your word claim

and you want us to simply... believe 😄

[past veldt]

And that the view from a tank is slightly different but ultimately worse than the one an inf player has

[analog apex]

I agree when it's about the scout cars.

[past veldt]

So it stands to reason that it's probably slightly harder to just sneak up to inf who are actually hunting you

[analog apex]

it's a completely different situation - when hunting a stationary tank in the open, you have to go to it, and not sit in a bush like on the vid against those infantrymen

unrelated

[past veldt]

As opposed to tank which doesn't know you're there and is looking at another tank and trying to kill it

Bless you Sam

[analog apex]

likewise

[past vortex]

good tank crew is mostly unsatchelable, its a major achievement to get one on and have it blow up

[past veldt]

What is the ricochet angle for a rocket? Like, heavy tanks will pen side armour even at 1°, but rockets do ricochet off side armour right?

[grizzled kiln]

Would have to be a good crew with good inf support.

[past vortex]

well yes, but good tan crew isnt where there is no inf support

[grizzled kiln]

I said good inf supp

[past veldt]

It's honestly mostly the inf support. If a tank is in a tank fight, it's so hard to check perfectly for satchellers

[grizzled kiln]

Not the same thing.

[worthy charm]

Infantry Support is a myth to troll tank players.

[grizzled kiln]

We fall for it every time 🙁 RIP...

[analog apex]

assuming it has no infantry support and is not in the open

[grizzled kiln]

Then getting satcheled with friendly inf literally on top of your tank..

[faint portal]

it starts around 30 degrees or greater

this is specifically for rockets though. i do believe you are right that some rounds b/c they just do so much dmg they just dont ric or at least its very inconsistant

[analog apex]

if a tank has (nonOblivious) inf support, you are forced to shoot them most often, in order to get to the tank without getting shot... revealing yourself to the tank

[past vortex]

a good tank crew shouldnt be 100% unsatchelable, so its ok when you can blow them up if the stars align

[thin lotus]

My tank keeps getting destroyed by infantry

Play with infantry support then

No

[faint portal]

however back to my point, if you can put the satchel on you should be able to take it off

shouldnt be able to put it in a spot between tracks you cant take off

But i 100000% agree and believe thats fair and earned

[past vortex]

yea

[faint portal]

too big brain

[faint portal]

anything that promotes more teamplay in HLL is a good addition imo

[past veldt]

It's armour value Vs shell value

So like heavy tanks shoot heavy shells (pretend the jumbo 75 doesn't exist 😶 (

Heavy side armour is medium armour

Shell value > armour value so no ability to ricochet

Must work the same for rockets then

[faint portal]

I believe you're right

I also believe that's why med tank battles are far better than heavy tank battles

I'll die on that hill

[past veldt]

If the medium Sherman wasn't terrible in comparison, yes

[worthy charm]

Thats Hill 400?

[past veldt]

Well, I guess it's the rockets fault again because medium Sherman's just cannot tangle with inf

[worthy charm]

I think medium tanks are all equally bad.

[faint portal]

until you face a piat/pzr shrek then all the tanks are better than anything that faces that

[analog apex]

more like useless - even if they will limit the heavies and make them more expensive, nobody will want a medium

[worthy charm]

P4 drives like the worst of them for me... but that could just be my feeling...

[analog apex]

I noticed more people are saying that

[grizzled kiln]

Cromwell and T34 does not have the same handling issues as the 75 and P4

[worthy charm]

I cant remember the last time someone used fuel to spawn anything other than a heavy. Usualy the others are only the auto spawns.

[grizzled kiln]

And hopefully soon, those two will get fixed. Next week..

[pine ember]

T34 is the most fun medium

[frozen dragon]

Well I tried out the commander and I will say that is was something 😂

[analog apex]

now... what about the (hopefully not) upcoming **tinkerer **loadout? 😄

[worthy charm]

I dont know... but the Firefly is the worst heavy. Or did they fix the turnrate by now?

[pine ember]

Panzer IV is so loud, and just feels clunky, same as the Sherman

[pine ember]

I never saw that thing in the game

[faint portal]

if its a visual change and can only be done slowly at HQ im fine

You gatta know what you're fighting against

But I dont think they would make 4 different models for every teank so i think that's unrealisticc

[empty steppe]

Morning peeps

[faint portal]

turn rate worst, fire rate best

6 second heavy reload vs. 8 seconds

pure slow, awful, tank destroyer lol

[analog apex]

*if its a visual change and can only be done slowly at HQ im fine *
You gatta know what you're fighting against
👍

But I dont think they would make 4 different models for every teank so i think that's unrealisticc
yeah I fear that's gonna be the case - they will change just the numbers, but nothing visual.

[past veldt]

It still has a faster reload? 6s reload is insane

[faint portal]

setup for disaster imo

[faint portal]

yeah, https://hll-armor-hub.com 🙂

[visual niche]

Shameless plug

[worthy charm]

The reload speed doesnt make up for the mobilty. Im a big panther fan because of the speed and exerleration. (I wrote that wrong didnt I?)

[past veldt]

New tank bible?

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[worthy charm]

For the 2nd time today, should I warn him?

[empty steppe]

Raz make a run for it

[faint portal]

yeah, but you can only play it on driel where mobility isnt super important. just play middle or map edge and you can see everything across the map

[faint portal]

hi cheeeese ❤️

[empty steppe]

ILL HOLD EM OFF

[past veldt]

It honestly probably does make up for it.

6s reload means you can face tank enemy heavies

[faint portal]

imo it needs updated to m4 driving model, it's still using old m4 sherman driving model

[worthy charm]

Probably... Im just biased.

At least I know it 😅

[worthy charm]

As if you could stop me!

[empty steppe]

Seems oddly quiet today… filled with non eastern front things

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-penguin-king-the-super-mario-bros-movie-forward-get-them-gif-26913735

[past veldt]

Eastern front? Go further east. We need a Pacific mention

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-fight-bowser-the-super-mario-bros-movie-snowballs-attack-gif-26913804

Nah kedo has been odly quiet man

[past vortex]

maybe they finally fined him?

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/master-oogway-kung-fu-panda-inner-peace-gif-11501603

[worthy charm]

As if you wouldnt like it.

[empty steppe]

I love everyone!

https://tenor.com/view/stillesque-gif-25544405

[worthy charm]

In germany we would say: Lügen darf man nicht sagen!

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[worthy charm]

@fluid pawn You still here? That overtime pay has to be huge for you.

Ben getting more in overtime money than I with my bafög.

[fluid pawn]

Finished around 10 minutes ago. Just cooking up dinner

[fluid pawn]

No overtime for me. Just doing it for the love of the game

[visual niche]

You making meatloaf?

[fluid pawn]

Making pasta. It's very good

[faint portal]

man got dat dawg in him ❤️
we stan you ben 🙂

[red ore]

Maybe they’ll add it after Vietnam comes out? It seems like there would be some stuff that would cross over from those two conflicts. Y’know, like jungle warfare and the fact that we’re getting bayonets for Vietnam.

[analog apex]

no chance

[slate canopy]

Oddly enough Meatloaf does sound good...

[worthy charm]

Like beens on toast?

Or [Insert british food]?

[slate canopy]

Ew no?

I ain't British 😒

[worthy charm]

I know :3

Wellington and fish & Chips carry british food.

[wind shore]

Cooking cake 🎂?

[pine ember]

Yea, I wonder what happened

[pine ember]

Lionfield will approve this one

[empty steppe]

🫠

[empty steppe]

Save some for me dawg

[fluid pawn]

Beans on toast is goated 🐐

[pine ember]

Oh he spawned again

[empty steppe]

omw

[empty steppe]

Nvm

Forgot we chucked that tea in the harbor for a reason

[pine ember]

Hahaha

German food (especially normal potatoes) on the 1

[faint portal]

https://tenor.com/view/puke-vomit-nausea-nauseous-jim-carrey-gif-6414990571697035561

[worthy charm]

Calling Fries "French Fries" has to be french propaganda. Germans make everything with potatos so why not fries?

[worthy charm]

Scream if you love the US tea

[past vortex]

potatoes are strictly only cooked in water, ever

[worthy charm]

Kroketten?

:]

[past vortex]

french

[slate canopy]

Is that WESTERN PROAOGANDA?

[past vortex]

french fries ar south american or spanish

[nova pivot]

😀

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-spain-gif-1983933836477964757

[worthy charm]

LIES!!!

[worthy charm]

YEEES!!!

I heard you got experience with that.

[nova pivot]

Scream @worthy charm

I'll show you my dogs if you do it

[empty steppe]

https://tenor.com/qnUqPF8GCdD.gif

https://tenor.com/p7ArMytTlCC.gif

Sry I’m done 😭😉

[worthy charm]

frfr?

[worthy charm]

Why? 😅

[nova pivot]

Do it

[worthy charm]

raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr

[nova pivot]

Ok

I'll see you in #off-topic-mess-hall

[empty steppe]

Oh you don’t want me to be done sending memes? 😉😛

Well… gifs

[azure heath]

When lockheed martin collab?

[worldly glade]

does HLL have cross play between PC and console players?

[finite berry]

No

[slate canopy]

Nope. The controller picture on PC is Epic Games or PC Gamepass players.

[dusky flume]

Are people aloud to swear in hll?

[worthy charm]

Depends on the community server, but maybe just dont do it. :}

[dusky flume]

No its not me i dont swear i just heard loads of people swearing and wasnt actually sure if it was aloud

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/greenhairbil-sus-dog-gif-27690748

Thats such a elise ahhhhhh gif

[finite berry]

What, no

I wouldn't use 90% of the gifs you use lmao

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-meme-blocked-bateman-patrick-patrick-bateman-gif-25526259

[slate canopy]

Please post this in #hll-videos , not here.

[cosmic pilot]

that's mean 🤣

[silent veldt]

i just let out a dank fart, does that count

[wheat wasp]

why does the stahlhelm not have chinstraps? its really pissing me off.

[covert elbow]

Because the devs think chinstraps are tacky

[muted kestrel]

Scarlet
scarletartsworld trying to sell me piss poor digital art from this discord

[analog blade]

Does anyone know if and what kind of changes they made since the PTE for update 18?

[worthy charm]

Not really, but im sure the Patch notes will tell us in a few days

[lethal dagger]

Ayo was Finland ever added

[finite berry]

No

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-finland-finland-i-love-finland-scream-finland-finland-scream-gif-496655312649171179

[errant crown]

@fluid pawn @faint portal can we get a confirmation on how many heavy tanks each team will be allowed at any given time? I know the number 2 per team (never confirmed by official sources) has been thrown around a lot, but the language used during the dev brief (207) is unclear and leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Can we get official confirmation on what the number is per team please.

[grizzled kiln]

"To achieve this, we will be increasing the cooldown period for spawning a Heavy Tank, with the timer now beginning only after the vehicle has been destroyed rather than when it is first deployed. In addition, the number of Heavy Tanks available in a match will be capped at two active units at any given time. We will closely monitor community feedback after release to determine whether this limit should remain in place or be adjusted in future updates."

Not sure how you can interpret that as anything but two per team active at any time ?

Seems pretty straight-forward.

[faint portal]

I'm no Dev so I don't know what they went with for this new update as @grizzled kiln quoted above that's the last I heard /played front he pte
I remember as well that it was limited to the vehicle itself not the tank type
So you couldn't have 2 76 jumbos for example you could only have one of each heavy tank, max of two if possible which ofc I would assume was a WIP bc the only team with two decent heavies are Germans. (British I don't really count bc firefly is only one map)

[errant crown]

Ok I will wait to see if Ben confirms. Thank you for your response.

[analog apex]

I am no dev but I can confirm they said only 2 heavy tanks will be allowed to spawn.

[silk igloo]

"the number of Heavy Tanks available in a match will be capped at two active units" means both teams

[analog apex]

It was in the devBrief I believe.

[analog apex]

yeah exactly this

[silk igloo]

one per team. two active units

[errant crown]

I’m glad someone else is picking up on this.

[analog apex]

Heavy Tank Limitations
Rather than balancing all tanks into a uniform meta to match the power of Heavy Tanks, we are embracing their role as the strongest, but rarest and most impactful assets on the battlefield. In Update 18, Heavy Tanks are intended to be high-impact, game-changing power plays rather than early-game tools.

To achieve this, we will be increasing the cooldown period for spawning a Heavy Tank, with the timer now beginning only after the vehicle has been destroyed rather than when it is first deployed. In addition,** the number of Heavy Tanks available in a match will be capped at two active units at any given time**. We will closely monitor community feedback after release to determine whether this limit should remain in place or be adjusted in future updates.
-# source: https://steamcommunity.com/games/686810/announcements/detail/521973723676280598?snr=2___

[finite berry]

So only one heavy tank per side?

[analog apex]

2 per team

[finite berry]

I thought the Allies have no heavy at all?

[worthy charm]

game-changing power plays rather than early-game tools
Funny how this in exactly the same reason BM made heavys more expensive and gave them cooldown at the start of the game

[finite berry]

But wouldn't that make it four? Or am I missing something?

[errant crown]

My thoughts exactly

[silk igloo]

1 per team

[analog apex]

man... why would they mention how many tanks there woudl be per server? Everybody always assumes the team.

[silk igloo]

match has two teams

[analog apex]

Like... would they rly make just 1 heavy tank per team ? 😮

[finite berry]

Because "in a match" covers both teams

[errant crown]

That’s an important question. Why did they do that?

[worthy charm]

They mean it as 2 per team, otherwise they would just say 1 per team.

[silk igloo]

1+1=??? maths too hard

[finite berry]

Otherwise, they'd say "the number of Heavy Tanks available per team will be capped at two active units at any given time".

Perhaps there will be four heavies, who knows. But if that's the case, they worded it extremely poorly.

[analog apex]

they did not say in the server either

but it is logical to assume they mean 2 per team

[finite berry]

But they said "in the match". And a match has two teams.

[silk igloo]

a cap of two per team wouldn't change the game that much, it doesnt make sense with everything else they said. and soviets would only have one heavy

[analog apex]

"match" I see there more as a duration measurment, and not 2 teams combined

[finite berry]

f u ck off bot

It would make more sense, yes, but again, that's not what it says -> here #mess-hall message

[worthy charm]

@fluid pawn Im sorry to ping you but please clarify if possible.

[grizzled kiln]

You forget the cooldown timer.

[analog apex]

I bet it's 2 per team, but let's wait for Ben's response.

[finite berry]

Then again, why did they say "match" and not "team" which would be much more specific?

[silk igloo]

If it starts only after the heavy is dead, they'd never get a second heavy

[grizzled kiln]

It does.Read the text

Cooldown timer starts when a tank dies

[analog apex]

if I was to believe those words as literally as you do, it could then easily mean 2 heavy tanks on 1 team while 0 on the other.

[grizzled kiln]

Not like now, after it spawns. Thats one of the changes

[analog apex]

Wouldn't make sense to follow such logic.

[finite berry]

It costs $400,000 to spawn this heavy for twelve seconds

[worthy charm]

xD 😂

True tho

[grizzled kiln]

Exactly, Obviously its per team.

[silk igloo]

Yes. So you spawn a heavy and it wont be available until death + 10 minutes.

[grizzled kiln]

Now could be 1 per team or 2..But it would always be even like that

[finite berry]

That would make it extremely unbalanced, you do know that as well as I do. I'm merely working with what T17 has told us.

[errant crown]

Stop assuming things and read the text literally

[grizzled kiln]

After it dies, you can spawn a new one after 10 min

[analog apex]

it's what the text says nevertheless... if we wouldn't use head while reading it :/

[finite berry]

I'm not even saying that you are wrong, Sam. I'm merely saying that they said "match", and a match has two teams.

[silk igloo]

Yeah, and soviets only have one heavy to choose from. They'd only ever get one heavy at a time

[grizzled kiln]

Try to just think for a second. You honestly think one team can have 2 and the other 0 ??? Come on people

[analog apex]

as I say, let's wait for Ben

[silk igloo]

It's 1 heavy per team, it cant mean anything else

[grizzled kiln]

No, they get 2. Remember. Cooldown is from death

[analog apex]

but I have been rarely wrong so far 😄

[errant crown]

Yet again assuming things 😂

[finite berry]

Plot twist, this will be the big historical accuracy update where the amount of tanks will be capped according to historical values

[grizzled kiln]

And yet again not thinking

[grizzled kiln]

would suck to be axis then

Dips on being Soviets..Plenty of tonks ❤️

[silk igloo]

You mean they could spawn 2 in a match and then run out? That doesnt make sense and isnt implied

[analog apex]

Benito where are you? 😏

[grizzled kiln]

they can spawn 2 ,yes..

and cooldown then counts from when a tank dies. as it says in the text

obv you need the fuel..

[silk igloo]

It's 1 heavy per team. Kill it, and you have 10 minutes time to pressure the enemy. That's the point.

[grizzled kiln]

If you have saved up 1200 fuel for 2..Assuming they stay at 600. You can spawn two,since the timer counts from death

[analog apex]

We are yet to see what 's the point and if it's true.

[grizzled kiln]

I'm betting on it being two per team.

[analog apex]

me too

[silk igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/upset-mad-breaking-down-crazy-pills-will-ferrel-gif-17380987

[grizzled kiln]

But at least now the smaller tanks could be more viable.

The current heavy only meta is boring.

[errant crown]

No you just read it like an attorney

[silk igloo]

Itd also free fuel to be used on halftracks and such more

[grizzled kiln]

exactly

[analog apex]

If both heavies die and the crews would have to wait 10m for another heavy, it's clear they will pick whatever else the CMD can give them.

[grizzled kiln]

Unlike many others, I like the limit on heavies.

Maybe time to buff the recon tank again ?? Pretty please 😄

[silk igloo]

2-3 heavies isnt that rare to see on the field, so we'd be looking at... 4-6 extra halftracks per match

[grizzled kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-on-the-tree-ryan-higa-higatv-spying-afraid-gif-21896565

[oak current]

didnt they also mention on one of the Q&As that its 2 per team?

[errant crown]

@oak current got the source?

[oak current]

go watch the Q&As

[analog apex]

I think so, bit I didn't find it.
not in the mood of watching whole stuff and searching

[oak current]

maybe they said it during a Community Watch thingy

I at least learned that info for the video I made some weeks ago

[analog apex]

then it's gotta be 2 tanks per team

[errant crown]

Their has been only 1 since dev brief 207 and it only talked about HLLV

[analog apex]

because I believe I heard it too +there is the devBrief

[oak current]

good thing I didnt talk about dev briefs 😄

and said Q&As

was either Q&As or the best-of-watching thing they do

either way, 2 per team is my last info

[errant crown]

@fluid pawn we really need you buddy

[wind shore]

All I know we will have PTE in nearest two weeks