#mess-hall

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umbral kestrel
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what

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ur prob trolling ngl

vagrant shale
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No

umbral kestrel
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have you been commander

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I feel bad forever is commander like it genuinely sucks

vagrant shale
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Nope but it sounds hard

umbral kestrel
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it’s hard when squad leads don’t wanna place garrisons down

vagrant shale
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I've heard Commander chat and everyone is yelling at the same time

umbral kestrel
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Yeah it’s hard to understand when everyone is talking

vagrant shale
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Why do you think that is

umbral kestrel
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wdym

vagrant shale
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Do avoid gamers lack communication skills

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Avid

umbral kestrel
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some lack basic comprehension ngl

vagrant shale
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Sorry to hear that

umbral kestrel
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It’s not your fault

vagrant shale
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That's true

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I'd listen to your commands

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I'm a good soldier

umbral kestrel
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I wish you were there then

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The thing is apparently the dude who kicked me is now asking for garrisons to be placed

vagrant shale
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Why would they kick you though

umbral kestrel
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Because I was asking for garrisons to be placed, and when they didn’t I said I wasn’t gonna drop supplies anymore

vagrant shale
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Holy Chicago

umbral kestrel
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I was trying my best to get back up garrisons and also get front line too

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Now I’m banned for an hour

vagrant shale
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These guys sound like a holes

umbral kestrel
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It is what it is

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They got mad I was asking them to do their job

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And now their losing

vagrant shale
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Serves them right

umbral kestrel
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Yeah it’s funny

gentle lintel
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Tell me a more romantic statement

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umbral kestrel
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I apologize for my naughty word 🫩

umbral kestrel
wind shore
umbral kestrel
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@vagrant shale did you see my romantic statement

wind shore
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Hell let Loose is cool

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Average based opinion of each person the Earth

slate canopy
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Just had three solid games 😎 Two wins

wind shore
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Which games

slate canopy
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HLL

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St. Marie Du Mont (the loss but joined late), Kharkov, and Kursk.

wind shore
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Hill 400, Foy, Remagen

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Hell let Loose is the best WW2 shooter and shooter at all, who disagree with so it means he doesn’t even understand the simple facts.

wind shore
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Let’s start morning from bubble tea🧋

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🧋

karmic wren
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Does someone know if they will someday realease the crossgame with pc to console? Or if there is an actual way to play with pc and xbox

finite berry
wintry thistle
karmic wren
finite berry
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Plus, I'm not even sure whether Enlisted has crossplay or not

wind shore
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Hello

vagrant shale
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I was having dreams from the battlefield

wind shore
vagrant shale
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Yes things make sense in battle

gritty thorn
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what area of a tank should i aim for when shooting with a antitank gun?

wind shore
gritty thorn
nova pivot
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The hull,

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Don't shoot the turret

nova pivot
gritty thorn
lean dew
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Hello looking for teammates for my squad

umbral kestrel
chilly jungle
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Goodday all!

chilly jungle
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Damn level restrictions and this or that language only servers. Joining a lvl25+ server and then getting kicked cause i'm not lvl 50

analog apex
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What server?
I know the Circle has such double restriction, but there in the server name they include both the LVL25 and LVL50 requirements.
But true - the game/RCON should be able to decide before the player actually loads into the server and not after, whether the player is eligible to play in the server or not.

brittle inlet
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don’t you love how you drive 600 meters only to hop out of your truck and get ran over by it

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accidentally ran over my foot, guess i’ll die

slate canopy
analog apex
finite berry
brittle inlet
wind shore
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What do you think guys about tank destroyer

analog apex
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Only that such vehicle type has been missing in HLL for a way too long time... apart of other things (mortars, panzerfaust, heavy MG emplacements...).

brittle inlet
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i feel my hate is going to be continued if they get added here

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they’re just too much USPTSD

analog apex
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They would come with pros and cons... strong against the tanks yes (mostly just their cannon-wise ofc.), but mostly the German/Soviet ones would have to be turning the whole vehicle to aim as there are no turrets, while the US ones have open top and make the crew vulnerable even to infantry - they would need to keep their distance and to have a good view around the vehicle to stay safe.

barren breach
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Wasn't HLL supposed to get flame thrower tanks at some point or am I just imagining things?

worthy charm
novel geyser
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not sure if it was ever brought up

worthy charm
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also we got t17 now

novel geyser
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yeah I was gonna say maybe BM mentioned them

covert elbow
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BM probably promised them in a stream or chat

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But we all know what happened with BM’s promises

barren breach
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No, I never watch any streams, I think it was on some roadmap

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Oh well!

slate canopy
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could have been on a BM roadmap, not a Team17 Roadmap. 🤷‍♀️

worthy charm
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The good ol good fun companie strikes again

covert elbow
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Don’t think I’ve ever seen it on a roadmap

covert elbow
barren breach
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Oh is that like the old publisher?

covert elbow
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Yes

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BlackMatter rebranded to “Good Fun Corp”

barren breach
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I remember them saying they were never gonna implement freelook for some bs reasons lol but thankfully that was a lie then

covert elbow
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“It’s not possible in engine”, yea right

slate canopy
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This was the 2021 Roadmap

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covert elbow
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Like they made the game. What did they mean they couldn’t do it

covert elbow
barren breach
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Yeah but a lack of melee wasn't really an issue lol

covert elbow
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Fair

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Funny how it’s still basically useless anyways

slate canopy
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I started in 2022.

worthy charm
covert elbow
covert elbow
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Gotta show your hours in the game

barren breach
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Lolll I cannot say "d*ck"??? What is this xD

barren breach
covert elbow
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But that’s solely because of the name of the game

worthy charm
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:}

slate canopy
barren breach
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Since when is that a "bad" word? Lol

slate canopy
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Could have been you interrupted "Fire update" for tank flamethrower? 🤷‍♀️

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lol it says mortors

covert elbow
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Wait there wasn’t an M4 Sherman till 2022?????

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How have I just noticed this?

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This game released like 5 years to early lmao

barren breach
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No, the Sherman was always in the game, at least when it released

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Maybe this means the Easy Eight, I don't know

covert elbow
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What about the panzer 4?

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Cause these are both of the medium tanks

slate canopy
worthy charm
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See above what polarbearr send.

slate canopy
covert elbow
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So did they just get rid of the M4A1 and replaced it with the A3?

barren breach
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Yeah right, but both are "M4" so idk

worthy charm
covert elbow
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Also the panther was the original tank in the game?

worthy charm
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thats it, they just changed the model

barren breach
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Yeah, Tiger came later

worthy charm
slate canopy
barren breach
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And they reduced the speed, sadly, so now sprinting soldiers are as fast as a medium tank lol

covert elbow
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Man. The more I learn about this game the more I realize that the devs history lessons came from band of brothers and saving private ryan only

worthy charm
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Arent we all exicted for the new game tho.

covert elbow
covert elbow
worthy charm
barren breach
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The game had it, they took the speed away from us lol

worthy charm
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Has he been replaced?

covert elbow
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This games development is still so baffling to me

worthy charm
covert elbow
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If I looked in a dictionary for “seat of your pants” development HLL would be the example

barren breach
worthy charm
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like 20% or so

barren breach
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Yeah that was ludicrously bad

worthy charm
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indeed

barren breach
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And all the constant moans in your ears...

slate canopy
worthy charm
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Average US server? xD

slate canopy
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It was on Tea & Country... so European LOL

covert elbow
# worthy charm like 20% or so

It was 15%. What’s even funnier is that it was supposed to be 5%, but the devs accidentally added the 1 and then gaslight us to make us think it was intended

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By the end they actually fixed their mistakes so now we have the increased speed of today

wind shore
barren breach
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I'd still prefer the old speed though

worthy charm
slate canopy
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It was late night EU, since I played at like... 7 -11 pm for me, which is like midnight to 4 am UK? It was okay ping, so it worked lol

wind shore
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yeah, they usually play that late from europe

covert elbow
worthy charm
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-# Hyrum would be proud

wind shore
covert elbow
wind shore
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Panzers & *eer ... Germany

azure heath
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a bee stung me..

poor bee

worthy charm
barren breach
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I even remember in the beginning the game had smaller sectors to cap, each giving their own resource income, a bit like in CoH! That was kinda cool

wind shore
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is this 21+ in here anyways? or is there a special "mess hall" for that?

slate canopy
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We don't allow NSFW on here. 😅

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As a general, I 'd say most people are in their 20's and older.

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Doesn't mean younger aren't here.

azure heath
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Why can’t we use cuss words?

slate canopy
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That's automod, not us 🤷‍♀️

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"Do not use excessive, extreme, or overly explicit language, or act with hostility"

wind shore
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as I am older I am used to reference certain 21+ stuff. just I have to know and I won't

barren breach
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Like the hefty, nasty word "d!ck" lol

wind shore
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no

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*locohol

azure heath
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I think “duck with an f” and “hit with an s” should be allowed

slate canopy
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🤷‍♀️ We don't control the filter.

azure heath
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what happened to drew drew?

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i can’t ping him

slate canopy
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As in us mods. We don't control it.

azure heath
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@gentle lintel ily

slate canopy
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Don't ping him 😒

finite berry
azure heath
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just like @sturdy bridge doesn’t

finite berry
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I don't mind either :D

wind shore
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I have no mind too

finite berry
wind shore
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true...sorry

finite berry
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All good 😄

covert elbow
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I’d honestly take it over the node system

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Could have even tried to introduce AI squads to guard the points so we don’t have to baby sit

barren breach
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Ah I cannot upload pictures here lol

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Where can I attach an image?

worthy charm
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-# Let me cope please

gentle lintel
barren breach
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Put one in the Artwork room

covert elbow
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Holy… dude that’s litteraly what I was saying they should rework the game to

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HLL is a mess

worthy charm
stray rivet
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We having a vietnam game?

lost shuttle
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1 month and still no fix for leveling throphies

barren breach
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People care about trophies? Lol.

thin lotus
glass rose
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I'm alive.

ornate flume
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Are there any good servers for Skirmish on PlayStation? I only ever see one and it’s got like 10 players in it if that

twilit citrus
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how is it possible
that after 5+ years
and even news about it being fixed
and you already working on another game
WE STILL HAVE THE GRENADE BUG

vagrant shale
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What grenade bug

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I always forget about grenades tbh

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(I'm not good at this game)

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Always ended up team killing so I stopped throwing them

analog apex
# covert elbow BM probably promised them in a stream or chat

BM promised the flamethrower tanks in the HLL Kickstarter. But that was never delivered and with the IP sold out, the KS promises are not rly bound to Team17 🫤 .

Oh and hey, armored recovery vehicles, drivable civilian vehicles, minefields... - just shows what direction the game was originally intended to go to especially when mixed with the original sector capture system (active sector active at a time) and original map size (full 2x2km) - more like a full hardcore shooter with milsim elements, instead of the casual shooter with a few HC elements we eventually got.

stoic garnet
analog apex
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no depth in anything

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We have guns, we can't adjsut their sights or firing modes. We have resources & nodes, but there is no logic to the nodes. We have relatively large maps, but they are about just the selected objectives. We have tanks, but the damage model is as shallow as it can be (basically health bar that is just not visible). We have medics, but no depth to player damage model and dying doesn't matter. We have ammo boxes, but nobody needs them.

etc. etc.

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Doesn't rly sound like a hardcore shooter when we look at it. The only HC elements are that the bullets (at least the rifle ones) are capable of killing with 1 bullet.

stoic garnet
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I think we just disagree. What you consider casual decisions I consider playability decisions. A game focusing on the player experience does not make it casual

thin lotus
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1 bullet to 'down' someone isn't hardcore. It's incredibly easy and doesn't require precise aim

analog apex
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relatively ofc.

stoic garnet
thin lotus
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dumbest buzzword "anything i don't like"

analog apex
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Arcade may be too strong word, that's why I used question mark at it. But a true hardcore or milsim games have depth in their features.

stoic garnet
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I just disagree

analog apex
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HLL does not have depth.

stoic garnet
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Stuff like sight changing is fluff that crowds uis and keybindings

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Depth is created by the player base not the developers

analog apex
stoic garnet
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How much is there to learn and how much counterplay is there

analog apex
stoic garnet
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Adding gimmicks cheapens the experience, and is my opinion on why 99% of milsims end up eating dirt

analog apex
stoic garnet
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Sure why not

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It’s proof that complexity is not depth

analog apex
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Chess can't have visuals and the rules are strictly given.

stoic garnet
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Doesn’t matter

analog apex
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It is always the same.

stoic garnet
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So is HLL and every other shooter

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Which is why people can predict the game

analog apex
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Now you said it - because what you mentioned, that's exactly what HLL was not aiming at being. (when we look at the KS plans and the talks with BM devs after if the forum was still existing)

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It was not meant to be predictable. Today it is predictable because it was dumbed down, casualized.

stoic garnet
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Forest for the trees etc.

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The game is always going to be predictable because that comes from the humans not the game

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And if it wasn’t predictable it would be garbage because you wouldn’t be able to improve and get better at the game outside of mechanics

analog apex
stoic garnet
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It was predictable

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You just didn’t have experience when the game was new

analog apex
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Today when we see which sectors are active, we know exactly where they will go and where the garrisons wil lbe at the same time.

stoic garnet
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You miss sucking at the game, not a more complicated game

thin lotus
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"It was not meant to be predictable" is a pretty stupid claim tbh

stoic garnet
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Which is common in literally every single game

analog apex
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As for "meant to be" you used, we can only say the game wasn't leaning towards the predictable direction... originally.

thin lotus
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a series of random unpredictable events is a garbage game. BM figured out really early on that these series of random, sparse interactions that players had with eachother made for incredibly stupid gameplay, which drove a lot of their decisions to change its gameplay

stoic garnet
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You’ve “beaten” the game by knowing it in and out. Now all that is left is “beating” the other players which you don’t find compelling. Literally all you want is enough changes that you can start learning again

analog apex
stoic garnet
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But devs changing the game just to change it is garbage

thin lotus
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HLL in its current form is far from good, but thinking the early versions were in any way better is ludicrous

analog apex
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then why would they said they could return the original map size after the transport vehicles would be implemented?

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they obviously didn't work with the cut map size as a final one and so we can't be sure about anything else either... yes it in the end stayed that way, but it is clear it wasn't that simple as you say

thin lotus
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I only vaguely remember something about map sizes upon the introduction of vehicles. Quickly learning of the players' ability to traverse the map via vehicles as opposed to just teleporting around on spawns proves their decision to not widen the maps was the correct choice. If anything, the maps need to be narrower

analog apex
thin lotus
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They explained the changes as they made them. The main reason for pretty much all the changes was "it isn't engaging"

analog apex
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and yet they didn't rule out getting back the cut-away sides of the map 😄

thin lotus
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They did. It was stupid wide. Player just skirted the entire map via the borders because it was way too huge for only 100 players

stoic garnet
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The MilSim community falls so hard for the bait of “cool”. Making a milsim is easy. Making anything close to a milsim that isn’t a player experience hell is a real challenge. Because simulating something that isn’t fun, and making it fun is hard.

analog apex
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I liked the original gamemode/sectors/mapSize more... but it is irrelevant. You dislike it, irrelevant the same. It's not any reason for denying what the original direction was. That's all I talk about, I don't care today as I know it won't change so why the hell are you even trying to discuss it here?

stoic garnet
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Most of HLLs changes are compromises to create a playable game

analog apex
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Like... we are not in the past when I was making these posts in attempt to change things back back so what's the point of arguing about it... today?

stoic garnet
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Just frustrating, like watching my dog run into the glass sliding door 20 times in a row

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Except every time is an attempt to enshittify a good game

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At some point you gotta try to stop it

analog apex
# stoic garnet Most of HLLs changes are compromises to create a playable game

Compromises, many of which were not necessary. But... in my opinion. I liked how more open and scarse the action was in comparison to the constant full action we have now. You don't need to agree with me, I don't need to agree with you and you don't need to agree with me.

It was a direction that always had recipients either, although a bit less than a boxed shooter *one in which one has action right when he jumps in at any time).

thin lotus
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You would've been playing with about 20 other people on this game if it stayed as it was. BM could at least understand that early on, though you cannot.

analog apex
stoic garnet
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I’ll always say this. If you want a no compromises milsim game, there are plenty, they are made all the time

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You will probably be the only person in the server when you log on

thin lotus
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You think about the player retention issues now, imagine it if never advanced past its earlier iterations lmao

analog apex
stoic garnet
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Turns out fun is the most important thing in a game and HLL has it because it leaves out most things

thin lotus
stoic garnet
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And fun is subjective, but you are in the 0.1% minority in your opinion of fun

analog apex
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(thx. to the larger map and all sectors active, available to cap +activities to do like being the recovery, making minefields and going wherever and still impacting the match status)

stoic garnet
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I think it is possible to make a milsim that checks the fun and milsim boxes at the same time… maybe if a AAA studio with a blank check went after it with some titans of game design… but it has not been made

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Unlucky

analog apex
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HLL wasn't meant to be milsim ofc, but surely was/felt being oriented towards it at least a bit at the start. Now it's not.

stoic garnet
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I think it is

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The game needs logistics and planning more than anything else

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Coordination

thin lotus
# analog apex HLL wasn't meant to be milsim ofc, but surely was/felt being oriented towards it...

This is verbatim, from BM CEO in 2019, the same guy that personally told you to play a different game. If you still cannot be convinced of why they did what they did, you are delusional.

“When you think of 100 players you think of an intense, overwhelming, just a phenomenal clash of two giant, momentous forces, and so what we […] weren’t seeing [were] players organizing themselves in neat groups of 17 to each defend their own sector of those three frontline sectors. What we were seeing instead was everyone hearing gunfire in one location, and on the heat map, 96 players going to one sector to fight, and four players, two on each team basically winning the game for each other by capping the sector that were completely unoccupied. Which obviously teaches you really quickly -and it’s a game design lesson, in that you can’t design for the absolute best case scenario in which you would expect that 100 players are somehow able to equally divide themselves into equal parts in order to play the game in the best way possible. . Obviously, clans can do that, but for a large number of players, who are also just getting used to organizing themselves generally, that expectation just was not working. We were watching games and games and games, and we were watching games in between clans, and still the heat maps were showing the same thing -all the clans would just gravitate to the biggest action possible. And so a large part thought it wasn’t satisfying because you were basically losing the game by wanting to engage in the biggest conflict, and then at the same time it was like, you had never won a battle against the enemy team, you would always feel like, ‘Okay, I won a battle, but how many people was I actually fighting? Was I fighting fifty, or was I fighting four? Who was I fighting, who did I just defeat?'"

analog apex
# stoic garnet I think it is

milsims have deep player damage model, inventories, freedom of where to attack, depth in gunplay.... HLL has none of it

stoic garnet
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The importance of lane holding and intelligent squad play in comp is proof that it has a milsim heart

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If it didn’t those things wouldn’t matter

analog apex
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so no, HLL is not and never will be a milsim

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just a shootter

stoic garnet
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Forest for the trees dude. You don’t need realistic limb damage. You just need to reward milsim play

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Which it does

analog apex
thin lotus
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THis is from an interview

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still floating on yt

analog apex
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back then there were interviews almost every day as the devs were talking back all the time - I meant devs answering players' questions

stoic garnet
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You can slap all that milsim fluff crap into COD and it will still be sh*tty cod

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How does the game encourage players to play? That is the golden ticket

thin lotus
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HLL is about waiting for a spawn to prop up so you can redeploy and spawnbomb whatever objective you want to take. Dont get ahead of yourself

analog apex
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as no vehicles either, no room for them

stoic garnet
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Forest for the trees man

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3rd time. That’s not the point

analog apex
analog apex
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map size plays a big role in if a game can be allowed to get milsim or not

stoic garnet
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I think the vast majority

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Those are all milsim tactics, and you get your crap pushed for not doing them

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So milsim elements. It just doesn’t require you to press alt+shift+z to pack your mag

analog apex
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yeah... and then we use an airhead to avoid that lane altogether 😄
right, true mislim 😄

thin lotus
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That's just stupid players not being aware of how cheesy gameplay quickly turns games around.

stoic garnet
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The fact that my tank squad that ranks silver 4 or whatever the bottom rank is in cs is can top frag consistently due to small squad tactics

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Means the game has milsim bones. It rewards thought more than aim

thin lotus
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orrrrr the fact that HLL is an extremely easy shooter game which is what i said at the very beginning of this convo

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a low rank in cs would floor the average HLL player

analog apex
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"silver 4"?

stoic garnet
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We suck at fps games but still do well in HLL due to that

analog apex
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ah you were talking about CS... right. I am not familair with its concepts.

thin lotus
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The people suggesting "milsim" shooting in HLL are HLL players who get 10 kills a game, they have no idea what their asking for. They are rightfully being ignored

stoic garnet
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True

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It’s all about the player behavior. What works? That is the key question

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Cheese works and is cringe

analog apex
stoic garnet
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But the minute to minute actions that win games is milsim stuff

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It was why core was so good

thin lotus
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People who struggle getting kills when kills come as easily as 1 bullet, are also suggesting things like zeroing your rifle and weird ammo management. They ought to be ignored when it comes to the topic

analog apex
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true milsim strikes again xD

stoic garnet
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When that happens it’s like saying

analog apex
stoic garnet
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I crashed my car on the road because my tires exploded randomly, not because I have driven 1000000 miles without changing them

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That type of spawn bomb crap is the final explosion in a 30 minute series of bad actions

analog apex
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can happen real fast too

stoic garnet
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It’s flashy but the minute to minute outcomes of squad fights matter infinitely more and those are dictated by small squad tactics

stoic garnet
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Not always aim

analog apex
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tell it to the killed players...

stoic garnet
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I feel like you never actually played comp

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Your bio says you did but I’m not seeing it

analog apex
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it always depends how the time while the enemy is dead, is being used. If the killer camps, he ofc makes no impact. But if he manages to keep constantly advancign and getting their spawn, the difference is there a big deal.

stoic garnet
thin lotus
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sending players to the respawn screen will always be an impact.
Players who think "K/D doesn't matter in HLL" can't seem to comprehend this though

stoic garnet
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K/D does not matter. It’s KPM that matters

thin lotus
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Doesn't matter if that camper is away from whatever objective. If he's sending the enemy to the respawn screen, he is having a positive impact. The less he dies doing it the better

stoic garnet
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You will see the very best players like Gas going 120/50. because they play for KPM pressure

thin lotus
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a high K/D and high KPM are very correlated anyway

stoic garnet
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Disagree

analog apex
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as long as the spawnpoints stay up & safe, there is no big difference made

stoic garnet
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If they keep spawning on it, it is better than wiping op.

analog apex
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and by camped I don't necesarily mean spawnCamped - just when getting killed by a guy that camps and doesn't move

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in any case I am getting tired, we have been at this for quite a long time now 😄

covert elbow
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What did I miss?

analog apex
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nothing you couldn't live without heh

covert elbow
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Fair nuff

wind shore
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Add more British and Soviet maps

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Pls

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And TD

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Tank destroyers!! SU-152 please

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Add new weapons, vehicles, tanks!

analog apex
#

an offTopic to the new asked stuff above, but omg this guy probably described the HLL playerbase so accurately in the last 1m30s of the video (despite he wasn't talking about HLL specifically):

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because it's exactly what HLL playerbase has been about the last few years more and more - unwillingness to think, which makes even relatively simple game mechanics to be considered too complex by such players and so they can't grasp them

wind shore
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Down?

analog apex
#

willingness to use mental power going down, yeah

wind shore
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I love France 🇫🇷 btw

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It’s the coolest country in the world

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🗣️🗣️🗣️

analog apex
#

🤐
...
meh 😃

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I love the Normandy though so in a way probably I do xD .

wind shore
#

Scream if you love North Macedonia

analog apex
#

how long is the list? 😃

wind shore
#

Scream if you love Nauru 🇳🇷

analog apex
#

btw., nice new avatar picture there 🙂

wind shore
#

Thanks

wind shore
#

@pine ember Are you alive ?

wind shore
#

@fluid pawn Hi 👋 Any news this week, Ben?

cinder agate
#

Is there a way to rank faster in hll ?

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Im near 300h in the game and im still lvl 67

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62*

novel geyser
#

Build nodes as engineer

night lark
#

Scum as much XP as possible. Nodes, drop supplies, being a really proactive squadlead + lots of combat effectiveness also helps

cinder agate
#

Just building nodes ?

worthy charm
#

You just got a problem when the nodes get taken out. 😅

cinder agate
#

Oh okay thx guys

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Does the win or lose will affect the points ?

novel geyser
#

The amazing and deep gameplay of build node at the opposite end of the map and leave them

analog apex
#

because at the end of a match the players in the winnign team get +50% post-match bonus while the losers get just +25%

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so make sure you don't leave before you see that post-match XP calculator screen

novel geyser
analog apex
#

wtf

analog apex
#

finally 😄 the chat always probably moved when I clicked the button always making me to miss and select wrong message xD

cinder agate
#

No worries lol

analog apex
#

and since the career LVL XP are calculated not just by your own personal score but of the scores of all your squadmates - if you are in a squad where the people have high scores, you can get a lot of XPs even if you personally wouldn't have done anything much

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(unlike **class **LVLs - class LVL XPs are calculated by your personal XPs alone and no post match bonuses influence them either)

night lark
#

TLDR - get good and have good squadmates

untold wagon
#

Hello all - new to the Dicord but 600+ hours in game - I have a question - sorry if it's been discussed before.

What is the utility for the underarm grenade throw? I originally came from Squad who's under arm grenade is really useful. Great for throwing over walls and into windows.

The underarm throw in HLL I have never been able to use effectively as it only goes like 1 or 2 meters. Every time I try and use it it never clears the wall unless I'm directly under it and it only just clears and windows I have to be right next to. Feel like it would be so much more effective if it just went a little bit further.

As proven yesterday when I was proned 2m away from a trench that had enemies in it and an underarm nade coudn't even make it to trench.

also - seperate topic - why does your own nade killing you result in a tk. Asking for a mate

inb4 'git gud'

analog apex
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Yeah man, I would also prefer if the max height of an underthrown grenade was like around 2m higher.

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It's unnecesarilly dangerous in HLL indeed and one has to pay great deal of attention when releasing the underthrown nade over a not that tall wall.

untold wagon
#

The Squad mechanic is so so useful and I would use it almost every game in a CQC situation. Have completely given up trying to use it in HLL

untold wagon
analog apex
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and even if the wall is low just enough for an underthrow, one has to keep running towards it so the grenade gains momentum that direction too... otherwise there is a good chance it won't go over if thrown while stationary, falls next to you and kills you and potentially some friendlies as well

thorny gorge
worthy charm
#

I really should check them out if they really want money now...

silk igloo
wind shore
broken shoal
#

Surprise update for the anniversary of blitzkrieg. Yeah i said it

wind shore
#

How hell it became for nearest 5 years for all

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And after - the occupation of Europe, split on east and Western Europe, it’s sad what it’s happened

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  • how many deaths of young people, soldiers in WW2
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Soldiers ok… but innocent people died sadly. So it was hell in WW2 and after

mighty saffron
#

Very new player, i’ve watched a few tutorials but does anyone have any advice

broken shoal
wind shore
silk igloo
wind shore
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Use your microphone for communication, ask teammates, work with your squad

broken shoal
mighty saffron
#

Alright thanks guys!

boreal nest
#

is it still possible to do well without voice chat?

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i dont have a headset but just bought the game lol

finite berry
#

You can still get kills, but you're robbing yourself of the main experience

wind shore
finite berry
#

So to answer your question, yes, but it's not recommended

boreal nest
#

hm

wind shore
boreal nest
#

ok i found old apple earbuds

wind shore
#

Use them

boreal nest
#

SORTED

vagrant shale
#

Bunch of cat guys in here

azure heath
#

dogs are objectively better

wind shore
#

Cats 🐈

past vortex
#

possums

nova pivot
#

I prefer dogs over cats

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But I love Big Floppa

vagrant shale
#

Dogs force you to live

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Cats will let you wither away

novel mantle
#

September 1st, 1939

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You know what that means?

boreal nest
finite berry
#

Cat person: I like cats, but dogs are also nice
Dog person: I like dogs and here are 5,000,000 reasons why dogs are better than cats

boreal nest
#

i have a dog too! but yeah

vagrant shale
#

You mean your parents have a dog that you mostly ignore

broken shoal
#

3 months left in the year and road map hasnt been half completed. many such cases

vagrant shale
#

Cats are cool tho I guess. Better than no pet people. Those people are deeply disturbed.

azure heath
#

I like cats

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but i’m allergic so they’re horrible

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instead of letting me die they exacerbate it

slate canopy
analog apex
slate canopy
#

We're about to get Stalingrad, We know we're getting an Eastern Front... we got Toburk. Most of the rework stuff and improvements were out and about to be out.

analog apex
#

right, the only thing we haven't got yet nor know anything for sure, is the new Eastern front map... but otherwise all other stuff was/is being done

worthy charm
#

xD

slate canopy
#

Seems pretty on track 👍 Good job devs!

analog apex
#

the arty rework however just needs to be more than just adding SPGs

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it needs: arty guns removal, arty barrage as adjustable CMD power, mortars, SPGs

worthy charm
slate canopy
worthy charm
#

Would be something for 2026, but I would be fine if they fokus on a third map

slate canopy
#

Gotta love the details lol

analog apex
slate canopy
#

I'm sure they'd love to do more lol

worthy charm
analog apex
#

readable enough 🙂

slate canopy
vagrant shale
#

When does eastern front map come out

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What was that for

analog apex
#

My estimate is that maybe U19, maybe U20. We are still waiting for U18 though that should release not too long from now.

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So not any sooner than at the end of the year.

vagrant shale
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Thank you Sam

analog apex
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Yeah man, we have only speculations right now, the release date of the new Eastern front map was never mentioned by the devs I believe.

slate canopy
#

Nothing yet, but I'm sure they're hopin for end of year?

analog apex
#

me too

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would be a nice Christmas gift map especially if it would be in winter edition

vagrant shale
#

Can I be a mod

nova pivot
analog apex
#

yep but still...

nova pivot
#

We also know that it is urban and in 1943

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We don't know anything more

analog apex
#

I wonder if we get some maps that have both versions... like winter Stalignrad for instance

nova pivot
#

Officially...

analog apex
#

but then again it's probably better if the make a whole new maps

finite berry
nova pivot
nova pivot
finite berry
worthy charm
finite berry
nova pivot
worthy charm
#

One day they gonna take away your gif rights and I will be there to laugh at you

nova pivot
#

You are always so unfair with me

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Mod abuse

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🥺🥺

worthy charm
#

-# im kidding

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-# or am I

wind shore
slate canopy
nova pivot
worthy charm
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:}

wind shore
#

Let’s make a challenge, day with out asking about the new eastern front

slate canopy
#

Don't bother Ben, they'll let us know when it comes out. lol

wind shore
#

Yes, all he can say is - soon

worthy charm
wind shore
#

Soon soon soon 🔜 and that’s all

cyan saddle
#

You heard it there Kedo. If you need anything, just ask @worthy charm instead!

wind shore
#

I don’t think that we will get any information today on the new map

wind shore
cyan saddle
#

@worthy charm when is the next update coming out?

worthy charm
wind shore
#

Dates

slate canopy
#

😂 Oh no @worthy charm

worthy charm
wind shore
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Releases

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I’m bored to wait

slate canopy
#

I was pleasantly surprised to see a .hack gif when I searched "Shadow Ream" lol

wind shore
#

We need date

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He said it’s after Stalingrad but Stalingrad wasn’t released yet

slate canopy
#

Stalingrad had a PTE not too long ago, so that's first.

wind shore
#

So Stalingrad - mid September maybe and new map would be December - January

nova pivot
#

@worthy charm when Pacific?

wind shore
#

Or October or November - Stalingrad

tall kettleBOT
wind shore
#

I expecting it in December

slate canopy
#

I''d think Stalingrad by end of the month, new map by December?

wind shore
#

I think it’s December

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Or January

analog apex
#

stuff from 2025 roadmap... can't be our in December 2026
and this time Team17 is out of any reasons/excuses either for being late

wind shore
#

About skyboxes in Stalingrad were reported in feedback

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They would if they listen to feedback keep the current skyboxes

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By default in Stalingrad

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Cause it’s really became fog and too unrealistically skyboxes

#

Weather variations, almost all of them looks not good

wind shore
#

January etc or December

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It could be later but it would be released possibly

winter rover
#

Did we even get a medic role rework?

worthy charm
winter rover
#

so speeding up the revive is the rework, nice.

wind shore
#

What have you expected?

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For me medic was good and fine

slate canopy
wind shore
#

Idk game becomes more arcade

winter rover
#

nice rework

wind shore
#

Sadly, and for casual players - just more cover, simplest mechanics when they don’t need to do something - just clicking and winning

cyan saddle
slate canopy
#

Correct, although haven't used that much lol

winter rover
#

I played medic today and yesterday, and i feel like nothing change - apart from just reviving quickly

wind shore
winter rover
#

But still, same old people preferring to die when im really close to reviving them and all that

slate canopy
#

I always try to give medics a chance... unless I think it's make 0% sense

wind shore
#

For me everything is fine in game

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What it needs to expand

brittle inlet
slate canopy
brittle inlet
#

if there’s a medic there’s a way

wind shore
#

And stable frontline with the rear

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And a lot of guys running on the field

brittle inlet
#

medics should be made more depended on in my personal opinion

wind shore
#

Of course medic would revive, but when there is a single guy running throw the field to wounded friendly - of course he would get shot

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If it were 300+ guys running on that field, nobody would target and shoot medic

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Cause it would be no time to do this, and medic would revive in that situation

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But with 50 players - it wouldn’t work well

brittle inlet
worthy charm
#

Kedo still thinking more people would be a good idea.

wind shore
#

Also if it’s for example 400+ players max, it would be stable frontline with flanks and manoeuvres would work. Somewhere frontline was broken, somewhere it were pushed

wind shore
brittle inlet
#

maneuvers can somewhat work now you just have to go wide to not be spotted and shot immediately

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however i have rarely seen a flank that isn’t initiated by an airhead and instead a bunch of people running around

wind shore
#

So for me it looks like, why 50 guys can’t just go on enemy HQ and go forward lol

#

They stick to the single point

wind shore
brittle inlet
#

i’ve seen a team hit vehicle limit in tanks before but crewmen needed to solo tanks in some cases

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armor squad limit is 6 i think? that’s 18 people who have the ability to drive a tank

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however the more tanks you have = the more people you’re taking away from infantry

wind shore
#

In my suggestion about the map included the count of soldiers like in game - 400+ casualties from German side in Smolensk in 1943, and 2 Tiger tanks

worthy charm
wind shore
#

It’s like game scenario where were not massive or big battle like Kursk 1943 in real, it were the intense of the battle like not so big

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Or Omaha

brittle inlet
wind shore
#

It were 20000+ soldiers on 1 battlefield in Omaha or in Kursk it were 30000+

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Some maps like Omaha feels very empty with 1 sector active which both teams fighting for

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More realism it would be if all 3 sectors in Omaha getting into the fight

past vortex
#

request is still useful tho

brittle inlet
#

with that, and the constant bullets probably being rained upon me, it’s probably best for me to just run towards you instead of responding

past vortex
#

oh lol, i wouldnt know i never played medic :}

#

that explains it then

brittle inlet
frozen dragon
#

holy smokes ! servers are full today lol

analog apex
#

huh? 🤔 They are full every day...

covert elbow
covert elbow
slate canopy
vagrant shale
brittle inlet
#

i think i lack the ability to give labor. however, thanks for the federal holiday, george washington!

analog apex
frozen dragon
winter rover
thin lotus
#

They wont remove arty

winter rover
thin lotus
#

because it'd be a PR nightmare.
They'd get flak for having removed something that's been in the game since after having bought the IP from the previous dev team.

winter rover
#

So in other words, you don't know

thin lotus
#

By all means, it'd be a good decision to remove it from a gameplay perspective, but there's no way t17 is going to.
Instead they're going to add in some alternative to hopefully cause enough of a distraction with how arty continues to be, and call it a day

winter rover
#

arty call in should replace level bombing imo

thin lotus
#

of course it should but t17 has never made impactful gameplay decisions like that

vagrant shale
#

Who is arty

winter rover
#

well maybe they will considering how massive their medic system rework was

thin lotus
#

is that sarcasm? Making the medic revive faster isn't massive at all

winter rover
#

so im feeling optimistic 🤣

winter rover
#

such a shame

empty steppe
wind shore
winter rover
covert elbow
#

Maybe they’ll add an overheating mechanic so you can’t fire the guns so much but who knows

wind shore
#

Limit it

finite berry
wind shore
#

Artillery in offensive gamemode in defensive team

covert elbow
wind shore
#

Scream if you love Venezuela 🇻🇪

#

🗣️

brittle inlet
#

have we always had this? i thought it was just mods

#

(gif perms i guess)

worthy charm
#

Images are something else... :}

slate canopy
#

Just don't abuse it 😉

wind shore
#

Mods perms given for all

#

Just ask mod to became a new mod

slate canopy
#

Nope lol

covert elbow
nova pivot
#

I need a proper floppa to compensate for the lack of floppism

finite berry
worthy charm
#

Enough now

#

3 floppa in a row is to much anyway

finite berry
finite berry
worthy charm
finite berry
#

more flop

wind shore
#

Anyone open to starting a squad on pc?

covert elbow
#

That’ll get you better results

wind shore
#

it actually gets me worse results, no one responds from there xD

worthy charm
#

Half of them are on console and one doesnt even play HLL

wind shore
#

sad, u guys know any other HLL servers for group finding?

worthy charm
#

Whooooo knows why that guys is here.

worthy charm
wind shore
empty steppe
#

yk whats sad

#

people dont say pacific that much anymore

#

(besides sparta)

tall kettleBOT
past vortex
worthy charm
past vortex
novel geyser
#

because its all about le funny get sum fortunate son warcrimes xdddd

azure heath
#

i think we need an italy counter

#

or finland

#

or poland

#

people will just forget about korea

nova pivot
past vortex
#

korea is the new pacific

nova pivot
silk igloo
nova pivot
#

When HLL:K?

novel geyser
#

real

#

when hll gunplay

azure heath
#

When does HLL WW2 come out?

novel geyser
#

1.0 is probably a few years away game is still clearly unfinished GBPig

nova pivot
#

The prealfa looks good, just needs some work

covert elbow
silk igloo
covert elbow
#

*we are

vagrant shale
#

Hell let loose civil war eh eh?

#

American civil war ofc

#

The best civil war of all time

empty steppe
#

Not as bad as a lot of other civil wars like the Russian one, but it was terrible

vagrant shale
#

They had cool outfits tho

empty steppe
vagrant shale
#

Mmm touche my good sir

vale crown
#

anyone else high af rn

vagrant shale
#

What's with Russians and being so brutal

vagrant shale
#

Now I'm high on life

#

Which is to say I welcome death at any moment

empty steppe
vagrant shale
#

Yikes

#

I'm reading this book rn called man is wolf to man about Russian gulag

#

Well trying to read

#

I'm not very studious

#

But wow.

#

No mercy for ur fellow humans

#

Seems to be within all of us if it's allowed to reach that point

#

Anyway

misty chasm
#

Any good games to join rn?

tough patrol
#

.

azure heath
covert elbow
#

You’re playing HLL, there is no good game here

nova pivot
empty steppe
vagrant shale
#

It is up to you to make the game good

#

Idk how many times I have to tell you this

#

Be the change you wish to see in the game

covert elbow
#

I’m not a developer

frozen dragon
#

that you know of

covert elbow
#

Damn you right

empty steppe
covert elbow
#

So that way MG’s can be even more useless

analog apex
covert elbow
# analog apex in what way? 🤔

Because you’ll take 5 minutes to set up the MMG and then die because suppression is a joke and you can hit a shot at 300m easily

#

Mwahahaha

analog apex
#

Ah, I misunderstood - I somehow (mis)thought you meant the MG class would get useless.

But then yeah, I agree - as long as the suppression is just for laugh, such an MG gunner's survavibility would be just a few seconds after opening up. That's why the suppression effects (vs suppressed players' gunplay) need to be overhauled or expanded upon, to make sure a suppressed enemy can't land laser accurate shot like today.

#

Let's just look at MG gunners on halftracks (when they get stolen by random low LVLs to take them into combat) - those halftrack MG gunners are dead almost instantly, even from the front. And no matter if stationary or even moving... dead very fast in any case. We are just way too much accurate under all the circumstances, even when suppressed.

modest prawn
#

HLL is a great game with really annoying players

finite berry
#

Isn't that every game

modest prawn
#

Not annoying in the way that they just act annoying or whatever but in how they play or the absolute lack of communication

#

I can play arma servers and always find people to talk to and have conversations with and whatnot but for some reason HLL is like the complete opposite

modest prawn
#

Especially not for more sim style games

#

When you can find a server that has like at least 30 people talking it's awesome

#

That was more of a thing like in 2021 and 2022 though as time has gone on for some reason there's been less people talking

empty steppe
covert elbow
wind shore
#

Which factions would be in HLLV? NVA would be?

#

And which factions were using WW2 era guns?

covert elbow
#

What if they added planes

#

They should add planes

#

It’d be super fun to get in a plane with a full crew as you fight off Germans planes in a bomber

#

And you all have guns and planes

#

So you fight in the planes because the enemy’s in planes

#

Because they’re in planes because we’re in planes

#

So we’ll need to fight in the planes from the planes to protect the planes from all the planes planning in the air with planes

#

TLDR; Add pacific

finite berry
#

That's a plain good idea for planes

#

heh

#

you see? :>

covert elbow
#

What?

finite berry
#

Nothing xD the joke didn't come out the way I wanted

covert elbow
#

???

finite berry
#

plain sounds the same like plane

wind shore
covert elbow
#

Do you mean pacific?

#

Why are you talking about planes?

wind shore
tardy elk
#

to do kamikaze, maybe?

wind shore
#

You are the ammo, my son

tardy elk
#

what is a war crime?

wind shore
#

It’s not

covert elbow
#

I love Sekiro: Shadow Dies Twice

#

How are you doing Sekiro from Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice?

tardy elk
#

nope, i not even play that game bro, just my random name. and that name i make before that game realese

#

i not even proud at all

covert elbow
#

Damn

#

I thought you were cool

wind shore
#

No, I’m cool

tardy elk
#

well, it still a good game. i just didn't like soulslike thougt

wind shore
#

What game is cool it’s GTA

#

you can do whatever you want in GTA

#

Buy penthouse, cool car lol

covert elbow
wind shore
#

HLL VIETNAM, GTA6 , and all of this in 1 year!

covert elbow
#

It’s also just a really good short game and I’d highly recommend it

tardy elk
#

i will put that in my wishlist

wind shore
#

When pacific

crimson root
#

Im gonna say it again... In Vietnam if you won’t be able to dig tunnels with your own hands, enter them, take cover in them, build traps, etc., then it’ll be a huge disappointment. We had a similar bull*hit feature in Rising Storm and it was the cringiest thing I’ve ever experienced in a war game

novel geyser
#

🤨

twin galleon
#

unless theres real-time under-fingernail dirt build up, a realistic dirt displacement mechanic and a minigame that takes me 26 mimutes to sharper the stakes before assembling them into a trap with an associated RPG trap building skill with a base fail chance that can be improved with microtransactions - itll be a huge disappointment

covert elbow
novel geyser
#

Actually digging enterable tunnels is not something I imagine is easy to implement

#

Rs2 has pre placed tunnels in maps you can enter and buildable ones just act as spawns and that works perfectly fine

finite berry
#

Enlisted has diggable foxholes

#

But tunnels are on a whole other level

worthy charm
glass rose
#

My fellow Americans.

night lark
wind shore
#

My fellow Mexicans! And Uruguayan people!

analog apex
#

Maybe if there would be pre-made buildable tunnels under the map - the players wouldn't be able to build them anywhere they want, just built (or rather unlock/hammer) the already existing parts of the tunnels one by one. The enemy wouldn't be able to know which tunnels are being used and which are not there so randomness would be kept good enough I guess.

Anyway, the tunnels are more of a topic for the #base-camp and not the mess hall 🙂 .

wind shore
#

When we would see “Telegrams 1️⃣”

#

<@&365680483276816385>

#

What’s this?

#

Weird link from the stranger

#

Ben silent 🤫

#

Devlogs is silent too

#

No telegrams. No information.

#

We live in vacuum and everything it’s just our imagination

#

So let’s go into philosophy

nova pivot
#

What are we messhalling about today?

novel geyser
#

Uuuuh

#

Pacific

nova pivot
#

I would like to see a Japanese v soviets map

heady escarp
wind shore
#

So we discussing Finland

twin galleon
#

its very flat isnt it

wind shore
#

It depends

nova pivot
#

There are a lot of numbers

wind shore
#

@pine ember is not on comms for a few days already

nova pivot
#

Have Netherlands entered by bicycle?

wind shore
#

Where he disappeared?

#

@nova pivot

twin galleon
nova pivot
nova pivot
twin galleon
nova pivot
worthy charm
nova pivot
twin galleon
nova pivot
#

they redeployed to a better life😔

wind shore
dim snow
#

Is update 18 going to release anytime soon?

wind shore
worthy charm
wind shore
#

Soon 🔜

nova pivot
#

I feel the urge to @ ben

wind shore
#

@ itsmebenb I was so close to it😧

nova pivot
wind shore
#

No, you

nova pivot
#

I can't, I'm fighting against my addiction

#

If I ping Ben again I won't be able to stop

wind shore
#

Let’s make scissors paper stone

#

You start first

nova pivot
#

No

#

Just @ him

wind shore
#

I did it yesterday, now it’s your term

nova pivot
#

If you do it you can ask him about the release of the new map

wind shore
#

I have asked him, he is silent

wind shore
nova pivot
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Probably he didn't hear you

wind shore
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I can’t, he is silent

nova pivot
wind shore
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Ben won’t say anything except soon, and when soon we don’t know

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Ben would answer soon 🔜

nova pivot
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Trust me

wind shore
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Ok but when the PTE?

nova pivot
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Stalingrad mid or last days September

nova pivot
wind shore
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It was revealed in Q & A - the PTE comes much earlier

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than usual

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Much earlier than usual means it’s less longer

worthy charm
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@nova pivot Get pinged

nova pivot
wind shore
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He is asking you where is his payment for his work as moderator?

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How much do you pay him for clear chat and no bots which is spamming in your DM

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From HLL server, all of them could go from the honeypot straight to yours DM

worthy charm
nova pivot
wind shore
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Have you ever been to Austria? @nova pivot

nova pivot
wind shore
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Ok then I would not ask you that question:

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🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

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Scream!!!

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@worthy charm Would you scream for that?

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Scream if you love to eat

hoary cobalt
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yo this game runs amazing on linux

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Was able to get a full start to finish win even

finite berry
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Scream if you want Kedo to shut up

wind shore
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Count

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How much from Stalingrad time left, it’s 2+ weeks or 3+ weeks

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Ok, when roadmap 2026?

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😳

night lark
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Mans could talk for Europe

nova pivot
twin galleon
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i hope ben is having a nice day

nova pivot
twin galleon
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ill ask him

nova pivot
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Do it

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😈

twin galleon
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ok im driving to his house rn

fluid pawn
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Don't do it

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Ahaha

nova pivot
fluid pawn
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What's up, sorry been in meetings

nova pivot
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How is my fav cm doing?

fluid pawn
nova pivot
nova pivot
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I would like to get an answer, if possible 😀

fluid pawn
nova pivot
twin galleon
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Ben why did they let the hell loose? why was it not contained? :(

nova pivot
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It's like removing the Eiffel tower and placing a random tower

worthy charm
nova pivot
fluid pawn
nova pivot
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France is overrated

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Ups I said it 🫢

worthy charm
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Like Straßburg :}

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Ok enough fooling around for now

nova pivot
fluid pawn
nova pivot
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I'm 100% sure

fluid pawn
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I'm chatting with Craig currently and will try find out

nova pivot
fluid pawn
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I know that the team, as part of the improvements to the map did a lot to ensure it runs better. A lot of the assets caused performance issues if I'm right. Wonder if that was the case? I'm not a dev though so don't know ahah

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May have just been a mistake though, so I've flagged to the team 🙂

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The team have been made aware though dw

nova pivot
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Thank you ben

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Look a floppa for you

oak current
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But will we get secret Floppa ingame? hmm

nova pivot
nova pivot
worthy charm
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Shocking, nobody tell him

nova pivot
ornate flume
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Are there any good servers for Skirmish on PlayStation? I only ever see one and it’s got like 10 players in it if that

wind shore
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Anyways

crystal herald