mess-hall

[worthy charm]

If someone reports them that is... I just mean making sure everyone has a mic can be a bit challenging.

[analog apex]

Hi @fluid pawn, I would like to ask - when can we expect more details about when the PTE will start & end on Friday? Knowing at least a day or two in advance is always beneficial... some peeps need to make plans.

[worthy charm]

Sam tried his best to look busy again

[topaz lodge]

then you don't play and you ruin people's fun

[finite berry]

Those people see it differently

[analog apex]

I am busy - if the PTE will start later than 16:30 on Friday I am going to miss it fully 🙁 as that's when I am leaving my flat and my PC for the weekend.

[worthy charm]

Oha, PC free weekend again?

[analog apex]

But if it will start sooner than that, need to know in advance so I can accomodate/adjust my schedule of other pre-leaving stuffs.

I am sure I am not the only one who appreciates well-in-advance info.

[worthy charm]

Thats rough

[analog apex]

yep

[finite berry]

Free weekend confirmed???

Finally I can try HLL!

||jk||

[worthy charm]

As if i would now something like this

I can buy you the game, then you can take part in the PTE

HLL PTE only WW2 Shooter that has less players than S44

[finite berry]

lmao

[analog apex]

You could/should have grabbed it on EPIC during the free-sale weekend. 🫤

I grabbed like 3 😄 .

[finite berry]

Don't have Epic :D

[analog apex]

I didn't have it either... until that free sale.

Not hard to register, log in and grab it.

[finite berry]

Nah

Don't want to use it

It's an overall bad platform that is inferior to Steam in every imaginable way, and no one would use it weren't it for the free games

[analog apex]

well.... if it had a game I want, I wouldn't care if it's my favourite platform or not

[finite berry]

Good for you

Plus, I'm not one of those guys that has hundreds of games in their library that never get played.

I only buy what I'm also playing

[analog apex]

You don't want to play HLL in that case? (it's on sale right now... again xD )

it will never be free on Steam

[worthy charm]

Now I feel judged, even tho its not that bad...

[finite berry]

No. I'm used so much to Squad 44 that I probably wouldn't be able to really enjoy it (aside from gunning and enjoying a plethora of full servers).

It's a decent game, don't get me wrong, but I kind of made my choice and I'd rather invest all my ww2-"milsim" time into one game instead of splitting it into two games

[analog apex]

fair enough

[worthy charm]

So we can play the BF6 beta together? 🥹

BF6: The most renowned milsim ever!

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/war-planes-tanks-gravity-broken-gif-26202635

[finite berry]

Go away

I'm so tired of Bf6 x.x it's f u cking everywhere

[analog apex]

what new does BF6 bring anyway? feels like BF6 is a copy of BF5 and that BF5 was a copy of the previous one too xD

feels like just... unecessary making them a new spearate games

they could have easily done it in one

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bean-battlefield-v-ww2-gif-14791581

[analog apex]

Benito! 😃

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dooly-gif-19284363

[fluid pawn]

Appologies folks. Post went out on socials this morning however forgot here.

Kicks off <t:1755270000:F>

[analog apex]

not that one 😄

[analog apex]

🥶 😭
So no PTE for me this time.
Thanks Ben.

starts right very after I leave xD

[fluid pawn]

Sorry about that Sam! Promise the decision was made before I saw the time you had to leave

[analog apex]

No worries I am aware of that plans were made much sooner than when published. 🙂 . Hopefully will catch the next one .

[fluid pawn]

That being said, you will be able to see the changes as we will be having a WC takeover on our Twitch. As it goes live, DasAltberg will be streaming showing off Stalingrad, and then a few hours later, Fresh and Raz will be jumping on with some tank rework action

[neat urchin]

Pte during bf6 beta… good luck lol

[fluid pawn]

Just unfortunate as we'd had this in the diary well before the Battlefield PTE announce Should still be fun though to see people's reactions to the new and improved Stalingrad

[proven dagger]

personally i thought the BF6 wasn't that enjoyable and way too fast to properly digest maybe im just getting old and my taste has changed

[analog apex]

"F" the BF6 😄

[pine ember]

I hope other aspects will be reworked too in the future

[pine ember]

BF mentioned

[finite berry]

Tank rework? 👀

[finite berry]

We're getting old 🤝

[neat urchin]

[proven dagger]

this is coming from somebody with several thousand hours on bf3 and 4

[finite berry]

This is coming from someone with 0 hours in Bf3 and 4

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[pine ember]

I dont think that many people that are here on the server will play that

[fluid pawn]

Get ready for a juicy dev brief later on today 👀

[pine ember]

Thats exactly what we want to hear

Thank you!!!

[sick furnace]

I'm getting a new pair of pants

[neat urchin]

Yes the hard core milsimers will stay around

[pine ember]

What? Dont you like the feeling when it dries in your pants?

[sick furnace]

Do you like it when it stings

[pine ember]

So many people on the server here

[neat urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/lions-gif-3853488049450598432

[pine ember]

No, then you can easily scratch it off

[cyan saddle]

2 dev briefs in 2 weeks Ben what is this

[fluid pawn]

And I have more planned folks

[cyan saddle]

how locked in are we rn

[fluid pawn]

This is the start of the Ben B revolution

Ahahah

[neat urchin]

Not enough to fix the hit reg lol

[pine ember]

Thats great, will we get other reworks in the future too?

[sick furnace]

What does the b stand for

[cyan saddle]

What did you do to Ben A???

[proven dagger]

bazinga

[sick furnace]

When will Ben C be revealed?

[analog apex]

he was outdated probably 😄

[fluid pawn]

Update 18's main 2 will be armour and stalingrad, along with a load of other stuff that we will detail in the full Changelog upon release.

We also have the VFX work that we mentioned in Dev Brief #206, as well as a load of stuff planned for Update 19

[finite berry]

🅱️ acific

[fluid pawn]

As an AI I must keep evolving. Ben A was just the alpha, Ben B is the evolution

[neat urchin]

Mortars when?

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/blueberries-blueberry-fruits-food-gif-18697869

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[analog apex]

any idea if the bug of non-rendered supply drops makes them unusable, will be fixed? The one when we need to redeploy for our client to render the supply drop and make it usable.

Just if by any chance you know...

it's pretty match breaking when it happens during a live match

[pine ember]

Sounds great, reworks are always welcome! I made a list which ones could be good also for the future: #1402391434937503815 message

[fluid pawn]

I do not have any info on that I'm afraid. Can ask the team but won't have a response today likely

[analog apex]

It's OK, just as long as it won't get missed or ignored by the dev guys 🙂 .

[pine ember]

Thanks for your job!

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-to-do-my-best-alice-fearn-cameo-will-try-my-best-i-will-do-my-best-gif-18725912

[analog apex]

subjectivelly... I don't care about the armour. Objectively, it rly needed major overhaul. 👍

[sick furnace]

It's going to be a slog to re learn every little bit again

[analog apex]

In case you would want to remind the devs, you can refer to these vids that document it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-VzDi7yeI - explanation of the problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY9KawuihR8
https://youtu.be/p64XyBgiJYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE_dqKKVRe0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puzWbEiWDI0 - this one is pretty much a non-cut for possible reproduction

I already reported the bug long time ago, but nothing was done so far.

[analog apex]

cmon xD

[gentle lintel]

never let it die

[analog apex]

I can see that 😄

[mellow knoll]

It needs you mean. They still haven't done anything about it yet.

[faint depot]

Greg is great !

It needs subfaction system and uniform overhaul. It would be less mess in the uniforms at all if it gets into subfaction list.
@mellow knoll

[pine ember]

Yea no more barely accurate DLC uniforms!

[mellow knoll]

Yep for anyone interested
https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1405158881872576584

[faint depot]

Schutzmannschaft, for example Romanian Schutzmannschaft, or Auxiliary Police subfaction for Guerrilla warfare.

[pine ember]

What?

[faint depot]

Guerrilla warfare based on partisan warfare. It is Auxiliaries against resistance, partisans and others.

It was Police troops.

[pine ember]

That wont work

HLL is army vs army, so partisans wont work

[mellow knoll]

Yeah I doubt that'd fit. Those kind of units weren't on the front lines they were behind it.

[faint depot]

With gamemode it would work.

[pine ember]

New gamemode yes, but not like that

[mellow knoll]

With a unique gamemode sure but in regular Warfare and Offensive, defo not.

[pine ember]

Just keep it basic with Germans vs US/GB/USSR for now

[faint depot]

Yes, so it was as Schutzmannschaft who fought with partisans, so why it was not regular forces. And their combat was really different to combat between armies.
Both of them would have small equipment, neither tanks or planes. And their area for fighting would be swamps, forests, fields.

French resistance would work with regular Wehrmacht.

[pine ember]

Just make maps with those features but for the regular armies

[faint depot]

Partisans, French resistance, Polish resistance or Army Krajowá were fighting in WW2. For them would work guerrilla warfare gamemode. It was unconventional warfare, cause partisans and resistance could not be combatants ever.

[pine ember]

I dont think that will work

[analog apex]

yep

but I understood it they have done soemthing already and in U18 we will see it

[pine ember]

Better make regular Polish/French vs German army

[faint depot]

Regular wouldn’t work against well equipped German army.

For balance - Germans should be nerfed to Auxiliary.

[pine ember]

It would in a 1939 or 1940 scenario

The German army wasn’t that well equipped in the first year of the war

[faint depot]

1944 - Polish uprising, Partisan warfare in the USSR 1941-1944.

[pine ember]

Just make maps for the regular armies

[analog apex]

HLL is not well suited for any irregularities after all

mostly because how the gamemodes' rules are being setup in general and the progression system vs factions

[wintry thistle]

Why not just have a skirmish between two regular armies then

[mellow knoll]

I thought it was only the explosion fx they did

[analog apex]

oh I seriously hope that's not what they meant by the armour overhaul 😄

[mellow knoll]

You and me both bud.

[faint depot]

Boring battle size for regular army.
Small map size for that.
For guerrilla warfare it could be current size of the maps.
Germans would be nerfed, other rebels would have the same guns as Germans.
New gamemode and no Commander abilities, no tanks in that type of warfare.
Specific areas which would be made only for Guerrilla combat.

[analog apex]

but from how cheapely they approached the "medic overhaul" .... yeah, wasn't any glory there so we can never rely on that

[finite berry]

lmfao

Armour Overhaul
Looks inside
Improved explosion fx for ded tenk

[analog apex]

yeah, let's hope not

[pine ember]

That does not all fit to HLL

[faint depot]

Skirmish either doesn’t fit, it’s regular army which cut from their basic features.

[analog apex]

that's why it's not being liked nor played either heh

[mellow knoll]

If it's that then they clearly don't know the proper definition of the word "Overhaul"

[azure heath]

I like the picture of Kursk in the background for the Stalingrad refresh

[pine ember]

It is never played

[analog apex]

Ben B!

you overlooked the stuff heh

but maybe he meant it only a picture for the armour topic

could still make a tank picture in the StalinLag

but doesn't rly matter, it's just an announcement image - the actual implementation/changes is what matters

[mild zenith]

Ben B needs to @ everyone in telegrams again or no one will see it

[azure heath]

or maybe just @everyone one more time about the news role

[frail heart]

They should focus on the better maps most servers avoid playing the russian front maps

[azure heath]

Maybe reworking them to improve performance and likeability so those same servers can/want to play them is in the plan

[mellow knoll]

Skill issue, they're fun.

Apart from Kursk, that just sucks as inf.

[analog apex]

and Stalingrad that stutters as F

which leaves... Kharkov 😄

[mellow knoll]

Well lets hope that's being fixed with the rework

[frail heart]

I just play comp matches these days anyway, Tuesday & Sunday. Public dosnt feel good to play anymore on any map

[azure heath]

Okay, leave if u don't care (don't take this harshly)

[pine ember]

Hes sadly right, in public almost no ones talks or cooperates

[mellow knoll]

I still have good matches on public (on souls that is)

[frail heart]

Thankyou another kind soul who understands the frustation of the game these days ❤️

[mellow knoll]

Just a lot of the time newbies squad bait -_-

drives me insane

[azure heath]

sometimes, when all the regulars are on and not stacking

[frail heart]

Its hard not to stack as I wanna play in a team with mics

[azure heath]

yeah, i get that, but when you have 25-40 guys you would think they won't stack

[pine ember]

I played a match on Hürtgen last night, but no one talked and all ran around like headless chickens

My mic didnt work either in the game (no one knows why), but in the round before, I heard others

[mellow knoll]

Lol

[past vortex]

so the "armor upgrades" in v18 are just the explosions ?

[azure heath]

we didn't see the brief yet

so who knows

[frail heart]

Special FX from Microsoft Paint

[past vortex]

thats all that is in the blog

[azure heath]

the blog isn't out yet

[past vortex]

it is

[azure heath]

wait for 207

[frail heart]

Yeah I havent botherd playing Public since April. Waiting on 83 coming out hopefully saves our sanity something fresh.

[azure heath]

you were looking at 206

[past vortex]

hmm yea

i havnt had a totally off game for some time

[analog apex]

if it's to be released today, Ben is surely writing it right now I would say

[azure heath]

you'll probably get another ping when the blog comes out.

and who knows they might've added smoke shells to german tanks for the rework! gamechanging and revolutionary

hi ben

[fluid pawn]

Should be releasing in a couple of hours

[pine ember]

I sometimes still try it since the game as its own is fun, but the missing comms ruin it, especially since I always played SL and relied heavily on my squad

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[past vortex]

the 5090 didnt finish yet it seems

[pine ember]

@fluid pawn Will there be measures to increase the amount of teamplay and verbal comms in the future?

[analog apex]

only the devs and their chiefs can say that I guess (and my bet would be they don't have clear idea either xD )

[past vortex]

or basic useability

(probably not)

[frail heart]

My community dosnt even bother seeding anymore, we have 5 people who play every night still and thats it tbh

[analog apex]

your community dying? 😮

[frail heart]

Na we still have a comp team who play twice or 3 times a week

[pine ember]

Thats sad, a lot of German servers died too or have lost their communicating community

Its just sad seeing all this

[frail heart]

I think comp will keep the game alive much further on than the public games tbh

[analog apex]

and we are approaching another line - 3500 Steam avg players... the numbers have been dropping way too fast recently

[pine ember]

For sure

Sadly comp does only play a few maps and has fixed dates

[frail heart]

I know its summer and all that but lets be honest this summer has been different its been the lowest player count in all the years

[analog apex]

exactly

[pine ember]

Yes, it will get higher again, but its still far too few

[cosmic pilot]

The law of the conservation of frames.
In order to get good frames on Stalingrad they had to transfer the bad frame rate to the website @fluid pawn

[frail heart]

My peoples hopes is the winter will pick player base back up but im not too sure tbh. I think by December this year we are really looking at low player numbers dangerously low.

[analog apex]

my fears too

[frail heart]

Only way to save HLL is by releasing -
A. Hell Let Loose 2
B. Some mega DLC i.e (Pacific)

Put a charge on it youll see people will flock back even if it requires paying for it.

[pine ember]

Thats why something needs to happen

New maps? Cool, but give us reworks instead

[analog apex]

B is out of question (considering the current development pace & quality so far), A is more real... imo

[frail heart]

Aye even if they started now we wouldnt see that for many years

[analog apex]

yep exactly

[frail heart]

Yes something major needs to happen.

Theyve only just figured out how to give us time controls on server side

[pine ember]

I hope they heard the shot

[frail heart]

Release server files.
Allow modding

[analog apex]

on the other hand - if HLL2 would be Pacific only or modern warfare, I would not want it at all

[pine ember]

Same

[mellow knoll]

The pacific will not happen for HLL in it's current state. It just doesn't work.

[tulip berry]

What about paratrooper class?

[pine ember]

They could do something like BF Portal - release HLL2 - The Pacific, but still put in a few European maps we all know and love

[faint depot]

Hell let Loose will became great this year!

[pine ember]

No

[frail heart]

Modding could save the game but longer they wait the longer it will take for decent mods to be released

[pine ember]

It wont if we continue like that

[analog apex]

more like paratrooper subfactions

[solar slate]

Don't think t17 could afford Hell let loose 2, unless they secured some type of outside investment

[mellow knoll]

Facts. Modding automatically adds 20 years to your games life span.

[analog apex]

yep

[frail heart]

Arma refoger for example. Mod support day 1 and that game is booming.

Joining a server with mods no problem download before joining

[faint depot]

It is continuing normally! Today is announce of armour rework & map rework.

[analog apex]

but making the modding available seems to be the same impossible like the Pacific theatre or UE5 upgrade... for HLL devs that is

[mellow knoll]

Hm

[analog apex]

hell... they can't get even the most recent version of UE4 to get DLSS in

[frail heart]

Stalker 2 release was a small flop depending on how you look at it, Now theyve started rolling out mod support the games alive again

[mellow knoll]

See they can upgrade to UE5 if they really wanted to, it'd just take a year of no updates at all to do it

[pine ember]

It isnt. Player numbers are low, and there is almost no change in sight. Players dont play the game like it is intended, and we are missing a highlight that would bring veterans back. Only a reworked map wont help it. The whole game has to be reworked

[solar slate]

There's gonna be a bunch of red tape to release an sdk in the first place, epic has to comb through your files and approve it for release, a process which easily takes a year

[past vortex]

no they cant, they cant even fix the scoreboard

[analog apex]

nah, it would take them a year for upgrading to UE4.27, and 2 years for UE5 😏

[mellow knoll]

jeez

[pine ember]

If we continue like that the game will die within a year

[frail heart]

Medal Of Honour from the early 2000s. Died around 2006 but mod support kept it alive.

Battlefield 2 Project reality theres still active servers all be it at the weekends prime time. That game is still doing numbers and its 20 yrs old

[pine ember]

Mod support would be so good

[analog apex]

allowing making new maps at the very (very!) least

[solar slate]

The biggest issue in the day to day is just the player quality

[pine ember]

It could also produce entirely new content

[pine ember]

Yes. Make it harder for everyone that doesnt communicate or cooperate

[frail heart]

They should concentrate on US/GER maps dosnt even have to be a major battle thats written all over the history books. Could be a map of a small town in a different region and so on its a game it will be refreshing and fun

[mellow knoll]

Please no...

[solar slate]

Ppl stop talking and organizing the quality of the game tanks and it's one steamroll after another, which kills it for the apathetic players as well

[frail heart]

Agreed

[analog apex]

If the modding tools would be available, modders could "easily" create more safeguards and logic for getting rid of the mutes or improving the already existing systems.

[mellow knoll]

WW2 wasn't just the god damn americans, it was the British too

And the russians

Doing nothing but US/GER would be the most boring thing.

[solar slate]

For Veterans that's the salt of the game, when there's a lot of coordination going on, it becomes coordinated mayhem

[pine ember]

There I have to disagree. Sure, if they are good and unique, why not? But there are also many possibilities for good maps on the Eastern front or for the British

[tulip berry]

Australia too

[frail heart]

I am British and ofcourse salute to them but man this game British are not fun to play

[mellow knoll]

I never understood the hate

I find em fine personally

It's just the maps I don't like aside from Driel

[frail heart]

Driel is nice

[mellow knoll]

They need their own DDay map.

[solar slate]

You need a robust easy new player tutorial that guides you in real matches

[analog apex]

meanwhile... some British weapons still with misaligned sights

[topaz lodge]

Having mods like squad 44 would help expand the variety of gameplay

[pine ember]

US vs Germany is what HLL is iconic for. But still Brits and Soviets should get a few new maps, if they release three new and good maps for both, thats absolutely enough

6 maps for Soviets and Brits each, all are different, after that more US, works perfectly fine in my opinion

[solar slate]

And the gamemode needs to nerf backcapping, add another comeback mechanic, so every bad game isn't a train cap to a quick finish

[topaz lodge]

the italian fought hard and with courage in ww2, they deserve to be considered more

[analog apex]

Pegasus Bridge, Caen, some D-day beaches, some Battle of the Bulge British map...
more Market Garden stuffs (Oosterbeek, Heelsum, Arnhem...)

[mellow knoll]

Legit hearing from the devs saying that the UK dday map was paused indefinitely hurt me so much because that leak I was genuinely excited for.

[pine ember]

Ortona

[past vortex]

i woulld be happy if they would just fix the UI
that bothers me most
every game always those stupidity

[frail heart]

I think HLL has a major moment here to listen to the community and focus on building some type of modding tools for the community.

Maps
Factions
Weapons
Vehicles
and the rest

[topaz lodge]

monte cassino battle, italian campaign

[analog apex]

nah xD
no thx for me heh

[pine ember]

For Soviets Kyiv, Operation Mars, Rzhev, more Kursk,...

[mellow knoll]

Like seriously give us Juno!

Stop giving us nothing but US MAPS

[analog apex]

if they didn't scratch it, still should be in the production already

[topaz lodge]

berlin 1945

[frail heart]

Arnhem would be good. One of my fav films is A bridge too far

[pine ember]

Leningrad yes, the other two arent really in the timeframe where the eastern front is currently set

[past vortex]

its not suprising that they wont fix the UI
with everyone talking about content
while the basic gameplay is so bad at many places

[solar slate]

They should definitely extend the server configs, those would be a low hanging fruit

But guys the game is not gonna stop bleeding unless the average player quality goes up

[analog apex]

yep, but I believe HLL wouldn't be capable of doing it - HLL is so restricted and boxed with all its features. Map sizes for instance - we would need more than 2x1,2km to fit the town and the bridge in

and even then... the gamemode restricted to 15 sectors (no-more-no-less sectors) breaks everything

[solar slate]

Somehow you have to improve ppls willingness to comm and decrease the required busywork

[past vortex]

like really?
did tobruk anything for you

its still the same old game with a great concept and an aweful UI

[solar slate]

Do you mean UX? Or what's wrong with the UI

[frail heart]

HLL should add something that checks if your mics working. So if theres no noise coming through the mic it kicks you. Then folk have no excuse for saying they have no mic

[past vortex]

you are a causual, aint you ? :D

[azure heath]

I’m just thinking of other modern WW2 games with mod support and it isn’t looking good. Post Scriptum.

[solar slate]

The only problems I have are with appearance slots getting reset every game and other people's OPs being able to obstruct mine, and the annoying stacking notification modules

[frail heart]

That game died well before mods were even thought about. The game wasnt good enough to even considfer putting time into mod

[solar slate]

In terms of UI but those all fall moreso within UX even then

[mellow knoll]

Modding isn't the reason it's low on players.

[analog apex]

it didn't have good marketing to begin with, ever

[past vortex]

thats also bad
but it looks like you dont try to get info about your team ig

[frail heart]

I think HLL would strive from mod support tbh. Its the last chance the game has

[solar slate]

What, like checking if a support player has supplies or no?

[pine ember]

Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone here knows a solution for the problem that your mic isnt working ingame when it normally should? Its plugged in etc...

[past vortex]

like generally checing squads

[analog apex]

But are the HLL devs capable of delivering it even if they would decide to? That's a million dollar question.

[azure heath]

Say NO to mod support! Let the game die!

[past vortex]

also redeploy delay makes you open menu

[frail heart]

Check default mic on windows I get it all the time as I use steel seres sonar and it messes my mic up

[past vortex]

map not available in many situations

map greyed out when not in squad

all stupid

[pine ember]

Ok, thanks!

[frail heart]

I mean it either dies which I couldnt care anymore games already dead for me or atleast try and do something good for once and give us mod support

[solar slate]

Yea it would be nice if the map was a bit more extensive and you should definitely have access to squad controls at any point

[analog apex]

this 💯

[past vortex]

spawn map: unuseable items block others

[solar slate]

I don't think it ruins the game though, it's annoyances here and there

[azure heath]

I rather just not have HLL anymore than having to deal with downloading mods before playing on a different server.

[past vortex]

its a minor nag, but its EVRY SINGLE GAME

[azure heath]

I do it for ARMA and rather not for HLL.

[analog apex]

a lot of small anti-QoL annoying stuffs in HLL which together get pretty big

[mellow knoll]

Then what will you play? BFV? Lmao

[past vortex]

after 1000 hours im quite sick of it

[azure heath]

BF6

[solar slate]

Heh

[mellow knoll]

That's not WW2 but ok

[azure heath]

ARMA

[frail heart]

Unless your living super remotely I doubt it be a massive issue. Also there will still be vanilla servers out there for people who want that experince

[mellow knoll]

I mainly meant WW2 era games

[azure heath]

I don’t really care for WW2 anymore.

[mellow knoll]

Well then ig just do what you want

[azure heath]

There’s no game out there.

HLL is the only okay one.

[mellow knoll]

I for one care for this game too much to just let it die

[solar slate]

I haven't played lately, got tired of having to beg and shout for basic participation from teammates every game

Also at about 1200 hours

[mellow knoll]

Sure I'll play BF6 a tonne when it comes out but I still won't ditch HLL

[frail heart]

83 Cold War era shows the most promises. I played in alpha a while ago and game is pretty dope

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-let-it-die-gif-18257321

[azure heath]

I’m sure you’ll hate the player base on that game after a day or two as well

[pine ember]

BFV or S44 can never supplement the gap HLL would leave when it dies

[mellow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/ernie-sesame-street-smh-shaking-my-head-dismay-gif-18210872

[frail heart]

@fluid pawn a question for your next stream to the devs.

Please have a think about mod support

[pine ember]

BFV is fine for casual gaming when I dont have much time, but else, no

[mellow knoll]

Please. Then I can actually fix the god damn uniforms I want to fix

[empty steppe]

Only if they listened 🥲

[pine ember]

They could also fix the whole game

[azure heath]

Honestly, I don’t think they’ll even know how to add mod support.

[topaz lodge]

I played s44 for a long time and I really enjoyed it.

[frail heart]

It may take them a year to do it but if they agreed theyd see their game come back alive and kicking

[azure heath]

Just give us the source code.

[empty steppe]

It would have to be smth like the test branch

[frail heart]

If we all put money in a pot we could just buy them out collectivly

[azure heath]

Aight, let’s do it.

[mellow knoll]

Lol gj with that

[gentle lintel]

I have $3.40

[azure heath]

100 dollars a person for a million ppl

[cosmic pilot]

Do you accept bribes?

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-kid-yes-wink-gif-15886187

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/postscriptum-squad44-retreat-gif-8533237369372096999

[cosmic pilot]

Swauce

[pine ember]

People should have done that rather than buying DLC

[fervent mauve]

battlefield made the best ww1 game ever their ww2 game sucks

[pine ember]

I wouldnt call BF1 even a WW1 game, its more steampunk with a heavy inspiration from WW1

BFV isnt a real WW2 game either, but I enjoy its gameplay

[azure heath]

It’s WW1 era fiction

[novel mantle]

yeah BF1 was and still is amazing

[worthy charm]

Bf6 gonna be better!!

[topaz lodge]

bf1942 the best

[frigid cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242957709720948827/1403564822104248341/image0.gif

[novel mantle]

1943*

😁

[topaz lodge]

nope

[novel mantle]

1943 actually ran on frostbite

[topaz lodge]

bf 1942 20 septeber 2002

[novel mantle]

it's a shame they didn't do a pc version

[topaz lodge]

bf 1943 have bf heroes graphic

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield-battlefield-heroes-battlefield-online-battlefield-heros-battle-gif-26365535

[novel mantle]

No it didn't

It's a shame BFV never finished its development though

An Eastern Front would've been sick

[topaz lodge]

bf and cod will continue to stay afloat if people keep buying the crap they make too

they're not doing anything good

[pine ember]

BF4 was the last great one

[topaz lodge]

yes

[gentle lintel]

bf1 was peak and no one can change my mind

[topaz lodge]

for me cod 1,2,3, world at war and black ops 1

other are ricicled

boring

[pine ember]

No idea why France wasn’t included yet Italy or US were

[novel mantle]

But they were at the end so whatever

[worthy charm]

I liked the weopon customization and vehicles in bf4 more. When it comes to the generell experience I think nothing will ever be better than Bf1 operations.

[pine ember]

That’s for sure

[finite berry]

You forgot Enlisted and Easy Red 2.

[covert elbow]

It’s Co-Op

[novel mantle]

Enlisted? 😂

[covert elbow]

It’s a good time. Just a bit to learn with its inventory system and squad mechanics but it’s a really fun time

[finite berry]

No

[finite berry]

Yes

[covert elbow]

Hell as always it has some things I wish HLL could do, like the aforementioned inventory system

[cosmic pilot]

Hll does not need an inventory system

[finite berry]

Right

It needs the Pacific

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

[tepid umbra]

My squad literally CARRIED our entire team, we were the best team on tab in all 4 categories

we were the best on both attack and defense somehow

nahh, far from average

best squad I've ever had tho

by far, nearly all communicated and almost always listened to orders, didnt attack but actually bothered to defend

yeah but the fact they all communicated and listened is CRAZY

on a public server

^

official I mean

fr

AND ADD TO IT THE FACT HALF OF THEM WERE BELOW LEVEL 20

W TEAM

check new recruit barracks, I've sent the screenshot there

of our stats

[covert elbow]

If the maps were bigger adding in fuel to the vehicles might be a neat idea but the maps are way to small to balance it correctly

[pine ember]

Enlisted is a joke imo

[fluid pawn]

No worries at all

[gentle lintel]

interested to see "Tanks will now respond dynamically to the surface they are driving on" 👀

[covert elbow]

Don’t know why y’all didn’t just release the brief. Why did we need an announcement for it?

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/garnish-om-nom-cut-the-rope-finishing-touch-decorating-the-food-gif-5765274644187765107

[pine ember]

Thanks for the armor rework, in theory, it sounds really good!

[fluid pawn]

Final touches being added 🙂

[covert elbow]

@fluid pawn The tank traversal section of the brief is really caddywampus with its grammar

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/naughty-sarah-chalke-bubblegum-blow-bubble-pop-gif-15861526

new medic supplies

[novel geyser]

very interesting

not sure how I feel about how the tinkering thing will work

AT still needs to be a bit more limited tho imo

[finite berry]

I agree, but it's an alternative nevertheless.

[fluid pawn]

More info on this to come in the changelog

[pine ember]

Yes, true, I tried it out once and it was eh

[novel geyser]

I would still like to see more map specific loadouts for infantry, especially AT
like north africa maps and eastern front maps not having rocket launchers

[covert elbow]

Definitely an interesting dev brief. Excited to see heavy tanks finally be limited on the respawn times but I honestly think it needs to cap at one a team just because of how strong they are

And the tinkerer is pretty overkill imo. With making all the tanks function as the actual tanks they are IRL there’s really no need to modify them. Like it’s a cool idea but I think that should be left in the ideas folder for a later time

[finite berry]

The first major element of this rework is a comprehensive overhaul of tank balancing. To enhance immersion, gameplay variety, and strategic decision-making, every tank in Update 18 has undergone an individual stat rework and balance pass. Our aims with these changes are to:

-Emphasise the unique performance characteristics of each tank.
-Encourage strategic diversity and highlight faction-based asymmetry, reflecting the nature of real-world historical warfare.
-Reinforce the role of tanks as powerful, game-changing tools suited to a wide range of battlefield scenarios.
-Improve the viability of Medium and Light Tanks, increasing their relevance and usage during matches. This change will complement the upcoming Heavy Tank Limitations, which we will cover later in this brief.

The aim of these changes is to create a clearer, more strategic comparison between tanks by emphasising their unique strengths and weaknesses. This system encourages players to consider a tank’s specific combat role and capabilities, promoting more varied and tactical gameplay.

By breaking down stats for example into three distinct, adjustable stat groups, we can better balance the tanks and provide players with meaningful choices based on their preferred playstyle and battlefield needs.

One of these stat groups focuses on a tank’s offensive capabilities. Each tank will now have specific stats assigned to its weapons, including muzzle velocity, shell drop-off distance, reload time, damage output for both armor-piercing (AP) and high-explosive (HE) shells, turret speed, depression and elevation angles, and the power of its coaxial machine guns.

---

So, in theory, this sounds very good.

[covert elbow]

Other than that the update looks good. I’m absolutely dreading the SPG’s though

[pine ember]

I like the limitations on heavies too. But remember, the Panther was made a heavy tank when in reality it wasnt, and it was quite common on all Western front maps. It isnt the Tiger. Will it will be a medium again?

[finite berry]

Mobility Upgrade

With this upgrade, you will remove the heavy loads or armour to improve mobility. This will increase acceleration and faster turning speed, however in turn the tank will have decreased deceleration along with reduced armour and health.

Turret Tuning

Tuning the electronics or hydraulic systems will allow for faster turret movement including rotation speed and damage. By enacting this Tinker however you will trade speed for slower reload times and potential jamming, as the increased speed is temporary.

Armour Bracing

If you are under heavy fire, you may feel that applying additional armour or reinforcing existing armour plating will be your best move. In this approach you will gain increased armour on the front, side, or rear of the tank, however will give up on you speed with a decrease in top speed as well as slower turning.

---

But what is this

Edit: this is the tinkerer option @covert elbow mentioned above

Did I miss something or isn't this extremely arcadey

This apparently is a thing during a running match

[novel geyser]

if they do what I remember them saying in a qna the whole class system for tanks will be pretty much removed as it is in the game, which I hope they do

[cedar ore]

Mobile game type stuff right here 💔

[covert elbow]

This. Tanks will never be balanced until AT itself gets a comprehensive overhaul and gets rid of the battlefield style mechanics it has now

[cedar ore]

I mean it might be good i guess but we’ll see

[novel geyser]

having it as general designations for simplicity sake is good but from what Im aware HLL is pretty restrictive with what is a light medium or heavy tank

[cedar ore]

I like the sound of the new SPAs though

[pine ember]

Hopefully that means the Panther will be more common than the Tiger, it should be almost as common as the Panzer IV

[covert elbow]

Panther as a heavy tank is diabolical

[cedar ore]

might be a pretty good addition

[covert elbow]

Another thing that should just be replaced by mortars. Yay

[cedar ore]

Guys just make the tiger realistic and have the engine break after driving for more than five minutes please 🙄

[novel geyser]

if they properly limit tanks on a per map basis then thats a good start, next up should be infantry loadouts

[covert elbow]

God I wish we could have limited tank spawns

[cedar ore]

I mean, eh I like the idea of it, it’s slightly more different than mortars

[pine ember]

Panther - 6000 units from 1943-45. Panzer IV - 8000 from 1937-45. Tiger 1 - 1300 from 1942-44. Should say everything

[pine ember]

The Tiger 1 actually was pretty reliable and loved by its crews

[finite berry]

Panzer IV, my beloved

[cedar ore]

Fair enough

[pine ember]

Tiger II and Panther were worse

[covert elbow]

Stalingrad update looks promising as well

We’ll see how this all actually looks in the PTE I suppose. I mean i of course won’t since I’m not on PC so I’ll have to watch YouTubers to get my opinions

[pine ember]

Hopefully the armor reworks will increase Player count again

[thin scarab]

Tank changes Looking Nice

[finite berry]

Honestly, probably temporarily at best. The main bulk of the playerbase plays infantry

[covert elbow]

Definitely happy to get the variable conditional behavior. Maybe mines will finally be effective since people will have to use the roads. All they’ll need to do next is to make it so Tanks can’t phase through trees and other objects

[pine ember]

Yes, but something needs to be done

[covert elbow]

Does it?

There’s definitely a few grammatical errors in this

Really needed that extra time to get the finishing touches eh?

[past vortex]

the llm just needed the runtime

[snow pond]

Well tanks are ruined then...

[ocean rover]

I don't understand why people refuse to defend in Warfare. Go play offensive if that's the case.

[topaz lodge]

not have a brain for defend

[worthy charm]

Im gone for 2 hours and everyone becomes a grammar teacher.

[fluid pawn]

I'm just a wee AI bot with dyslexia

[analog apex]

New Feature: Picking up Supplies (Support Role)
I'll be damned... and it took just 7 years to get 😄

[covert elbow]

How so?

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/trade-crypto-live-learn-thecryptogunslinger-gif-15601032

[covert elbow]

I think tanks have been fixed more then anything

[past veldt]

Just thought I'd hop into the server again to mention that random jamming of tanks (or anything) is genuinely one of the dumbest things I've ever seen

[covert elbow]

That tinkerer loadout in general is pretty iffy imo. I’d rather not see it at all

[past veldt]

Yeah, let me take a hit in my heavy, hop out, tinker my way to being a 3 hit tank, and hop in again

[covert elbow]

However I think jamming can be a good idea if implemented correctly. Like if the turret is taken to 0 health you get a random chance to jam

[analog apex]

this is a juicy devBrief indeed, Ben ❤️ - the tank changes seem to be impactful and removing a tank tier to be just a copypaste no matter which specific tank we have been driving so far

However, limiting the amount of heavies spawned at a time should be a server-side setting, adjustable by the admins imo.

Also, what about** picking up also one's own ammo boxes** and not just supply boxes?

[covert elbow]

No, the limitations should absolutely be base game. They are way to powerful and games are quite frequently won by whoever gets the heavy tanks first

[analog apex]

base & default yes, but not restricted from admin changes

[covert elbow]

Any chance to get some variability in the tanks and seeing more of them used is good

[covert elbow]

Oh I see. Yes that’s a good point

[worthy charm]

Holy moly, that tank rework id bigger than I thought. The tinkerer part look so interesting.

[covert elbow]

Admins should honestly just get complete control over everything in game to allow for more server experiences

Custom servers are there to be customized after all. Not just the same base experience but with moderation

[worthy charm]

And I thought its sams job to conplain...

[covert elbow]

If their already making tanks to be like their IRL counterpart there’s no reason to add in this weird mechanic

[worthy charm]

Dont put the Man out of Business. Would be terrible for him in this economy.

[past veldt]

Maybe the tank jamming is only in there as a bug they can't fix

Like the guns randomly not firing

[covert elbow]

Plus it adds unknowable variables in a fight which can be annoying to fight against

Only changes they need to give tank crews is adding SMG’s and carbines where applicable

[analog apex]

About the supplies picking up, I wonder how the system behaves in this theoretical model situation:

1. we place down a box
2. someone uses 25 of that supply box
3. we pick the box back up

Now - is the refill box cooldown running in the background or are we running just with 25 supplies until we place the box again and wait for a fresh new box?

[past veldt]

Just going to lead to an event more stale meta for heavies anyway

Tanks already favour not fighting other tanks and only splashing inf. Now they're a more precious resource so are just going to never move to avoid losing their big gun

[analog apex]

aaaah, right

[covert elbow]

I would hope you still get the recharge when it’s in your inventory. They could make it where it takes 1.5x longer but idk

[analog apex]

I missed that part

[covert elbow]

Me as well

[analog apex]

still haven't finished the reading xD

[novel geyser]

has been a long time coming to simply let us pick up boxes

[covert elbow]

Makes sense though. Realistically the only reason your moving a placed box is because a garrison or AT gun couldnt be placed

[humble perch]

Nah, only if the supplies are full.

[covert elbow]

Say that for a lot of seemingly simple and basic mechanics

[novel geyser]

tru

still no fire modes or ammo checking

though ammo checking isnt quite as useful since there is the magic top up when reloading

[analog apex]

the system needs to be better than that though, especially considering we need to be able to pick up also our ammo boxes (hoping the ammo will start to matter in the future) even if they were used

[past veldt]

Is having fire modes useful for anything?

[covert elbow]

Yes

[novel geyser]

yes

[past veldt]

Just click once rather than hold it

[humble perch]

That will be good.

[analog apex]

yes

[covert elbow]

That’s not how single fire works

[novel geyser]

some weapons have a high enough ROF that just clicking still results in more shots

[past veldt]

What does it do then?

[analog apex]

and then there's BAR with fast auto and slow auto

[novel geyser]

and if they want to go a bit further single fire could have slightly different recoil stats to full auto but that gets a bit artificial

[past veldt]

I've never seen a genuine reason for the feature

[covert elbow]

I will say, with how HLL’s gunplay is currently single fire doesn’t really matter so unless they update how the weapons function it would still be pretty useless

[novel geyser]

this also

[covert elbow]

Single fire allows for quick precision shots over a distance where burst fire isn’t viable

[past veldt]

Just click once...

[covert elbow]

What about the folllw up shot?

[past veldt]

Single fire is dead content

[covert elbow]

What about keeping on target?

If I just click once all of a sudden I’m burst firing because I clicked to fast

[cosmic pilot]

Ehh, the tinker system sounds a little gimmicky

[past veldt]

Bro that is massive skill issue

[cedar ore]

Took too long to release

[novel geyser]

I tend to find it more natural to swap to semi auto and spam click than full auto and spam click

[cosmic pilot]

Otherwise, 👍

[cedar ore]

I don’t have problems with it lol

[muted lance]

I find it impressive how terrible this armor rework is

[covert elbow]

No, it’s how the game functions. I’ve tried quickly tapping my weapon in game and it either starts to fire full auto or gets off target because of the dog weapons system

[past veldt]

Anyway, back to the terrible update we're actually getting

[cedar ore]

Let them cook

[novel geyser]

possibly the only person I've seen to complain yet

[pine ember]

10/10 ragebait

[covert elbow]

Not terrible and idk why your saying this

[past veldt]

Tinkerer looks awful

New tank meta is going to be far more dull

[covert elbow]

I’ve seen a couple but neither have said why it’s terrible

[cedar ore]

I do find the tank customisation thing a bit strange but the actual tank statistics getting changed I’m happy with

[novel geyser]

tinker is certainly an interesting concept I think I'll have to see how it plays out

[past veldt]

Random jamming is stupid. Not sure why anyone wants RNG in this game

[cedar ore]

Yeah fr

[cosmic pilot]

Should rename it to field mod system

[novel geyser]

but when it comes to improving armour there HAS to be some visual to show that armour has been tinkered

[covert elbow]

Anything else?

[cedar ore]

Exactly what I was thinking

[muted lance]

2 v 2 heavies. I'm sure public servers are going to be a joy for people who want to play armor. Instead of waiting 5 minutes to build nodes to maybe get a heavy while theres already 2 crews up in tanks already, They now have to wait until 1 of them dies and then fight with the other crew for the next one.

[novel geyser]

oh they're adding jamming for tanks?

[past veldt]

Slower tank meta will be boring

[cedar ore]

God forbid please

[novel geyser]

hmmmmm

[past veldt]

Random unknown variables due to tinkerer will be quite uncomfortable

[novel geyser]

yeah probably wont last jamming isnt great for pvp games

[cedar ore]

Do they give an example of the condition, like if you shoot the turret gun won’t shoot type thing

[pine ember]

Heavies wont be the end of the food chain anymore

[covert elbow]

Agreed. That’s why it should be limited to one heavy tank so medium tanks have a chance to shine

[pine ember]

It finally depends on tactics

[muted lance]

1 rework managing to piss of not only comp put roleplayers aswell is gold.

[past veldt]

They will.

The tank just will move far less now

[novel geyser]

conditions effecting tanks is cool tho, but jamming is not good

[cedar ore]

Ohhhh interesting

[pine ember]

What??

[covert elbow]

This is by far the most comp player thing I’ve ever read haha

[cedar ore]

Role players

[past veldt]

So heavies will just hide away splashing walls looking for spawns, taking very few tank fights

[novel geyser]

any rework pissing off comp players is a good rework in my books

[cedar ore]

Lmao

[muted lance]

💀

Ooorah yessir, more infinite running speed please! :)

but lets add tinkerer loadouts for tanks

to make them worse

[past veldt]

Do you not enjoy being chased by 18 satchel players?

[covert elbow]

If it was tied to turret damage I could be down for jamming, but not with a tinkerer mod. The positive effect would become useless due to jamming

[past veldt]

English is his second language

[novel geyser]

yeah tinkerer sounds like the biggest iffy thing to me

[muted lance]

Omg its amazing! Now I can have the brief opportunity to skiddadle out of my tank and remove armor from my tank in probably 3 seconds and get back in to go faster

🤡

[covert elbow]

Agreed. I remember they got made a while back because a gamebreaking glitch was passed because “muh height advantage”

[novel geyser]

yeah the very skillful prone jumping

[cosmic pilot]

Let them cook

[covert elbow]

That’s the one

[past veldt]

Was it game breaking?

[pine ember]

Tank rework isnt either

[past veldt]

It had been in the game forever and 95% of players didn't even notice

[muted lance]

They're burning down the kitchen with this one

[cosmic pilot]

Speak truth to power ✊

[covert elbow]

God forbid we patch out the bug that 95% of players didn’t know how to do or look out for. Allowing MG’s to lay down hell from places that aren’t possible in normal gameplay

[past vortex]

lol, those 95% would call an admin because cheater

[covert elbow]

Yea that’s the issue

[past veldt]

Hard to call it game breaking though

[worthy charm]

This chat feels about as positive as it was after U14

[covert elbow]

No one knew about it so comp sweats could get tons of kills because players litteraly didn’t know where to look

[cosmic pilot]

Embedded privileges revoked @lean cloak

Self portrait

[worthy charm]

Please stay respectfull

[covert elbow]

Because comp players are mad they can’t use heavy tanks anymore and godforbid we actually have conditional aspects that effect gameplay

[past veldt]

Heavy tanks are still in the game you know

And are just going to prioritise staying alive, splashing random stuff, and avoiding tank fights

[novel geyser]

no! no inervation the game must stay the exact same or it will ruin the comp meta!!!!

[muted lance]

🥶

sir yes sir

[worthy charm]

Like they did with the mg rework? :}

[past veldt]

The new tank meta is going to be an extreme of what we have now

[pine ember]

But are being reworked...

[muted lance]

more infinite running speed and glitched MG mount positions please 😋

[pine ember]

Just adapt your tactics

[past vortex]

its quite likely that it will be a mess for some time
wether it will be ever good we dont now

[covert elbow]

But I will reiterate. This tank update will be useless unless AT also gets a comprehensive nerf and overhaul. Step one would make it so that satchels no longer one shot tanks

[harsh fractal]

Fact

[covert elbow]

Also limit explosives resupply somehow. Grenade spam has also plagued this game for a long time

[azure heath]

Remove satchels

replace with TNT

[covert elbow]

^

[muted lance]

actually the first intellectual thing I've read in this channel

[azure heath]

the only class that should actually have satchels are engineers

[past vortex]

what would that do?
really good tan crews are unsatchelable
so the effect would be bad crews surviving longer?

[azure heath]

satchels turn players into one man armies instead of working with the team

[sturdy quarry]

should be mechanic for every force other than british where it should stay as tinkerer 😆

[covert elbow]

No. It makes tanks more of an actual threat on the battlefield and gets rid of the magic OHK mechanic

Even a bad crew should be a monster on the field since their in a tank

[past vortex]

are you aware that it is almost impossible to satchel a good tank crew

[covert elbow]

Absolutely not true

[past vortex]

well maybe its different on console :}

:D

[covert elbow]

I’ve seen many a good crew get satcheled because they got distracted for 5 seconds and an engineer 10 miles behind the lines caught them while they were stuck on a stump or turning

[past veldt]

This is just not true

[novel geyser]

weather or not its tricky to satchel a tank crew, the fact it one shots even heavy tanks is dumb especially since there are 3 roles in a squad with AT capability through satchels

[azure heath]

A good tank crew doesn’t make mistakes or get distracted, but that’s besides the point

[covert elbow]

AT needs to be more limited, and tanks more challenging to play.

HLL’s simplistic gameplay needs to be changed. Simple as

[past veldt]

You can just hide in bushes next to tanks so easily

[past vortex]

how

[azure heath]

harder than you think, that’s the main tank killer for high level players

[covert elbow]

Any tank being OHK. 3kg’s of explosives wouldnt even put a dent in tank armor

[novel geyser]

satchels should primarily be for destroying fortifications and only for engineer, they can damage heavier tanks such as disabling the tracks and maybe destroy lighter ones but that is it
AT and engineers should be their own squads

[azure heath]

Ah I get you now

[past vortex]

are you aware that in most games a good tank crew does NOT get satcheled all the time

[covert elbow]

Speaking of, satchels should be swapped to bangalores on the D-Day maps

[worthy charm]

In pretty sure rockets are still responsible for more tank kills. Abu talked about this once I think...

[covert elbow]

Rockets also need to be much harder to resupply

[past veldt]

That'll be because your avg HLL player is 65 and RPs their way through the game rather than trying to make an actual impact on the match

[novel geyser]

rockets should be limited to their appropriate maps and again AT should be its own unit and not part of every squad

[past vortex]

you are talking about making tanks unkillable

i dont think we need more tank spam

[warped parrot]

My god this might be the worst update I've ever seen so far. Tinkerer loadout and limiting heavies is just completely deranged.

[worthy charm]

True + they need to buff the bazooka.

[covert elbow]

No. I’m just not giving my thoughts on how tanks should be changed

[past veldt]

A good inf squad is just going to sneak by a tank, put an OP down and spawn in rocketboy and 2 satchels

[azure heath]

In higher level players I’m not sure, overall definitely

[past vortex]

again it really hard to kill a heavy with rockets unless the tank crew is blind

[covert elbow]

Tanks and AT should not continue to exist as is

[azure heath]

Rockets are very OP and not balanced at all for different factions

[covert elbow]

They massacred my boy and then forgot about him completely lmao

[thin lotus]

lol
Lmao, even.

[worthy charm]

The hero is back

[covert elbow]

Tinkerer is bad. Limiting heavy is great and needs to be limited to 1 instead of 2

[past vortex]

against a good tank crew you need to combine rocets, infantry and a satchel

[worthy charm]

Praise the one and only chum!

[past veldt]

I mean, I definitely have

[feral isle]

That charity event just for pc?

[azure heath]

With an AT rework I would love to see less to no rockets on certain maps (those during or before 1943)

[thin lotus]

The efforts the devs take to bring nuance to this stale game is definitely more entertaining than the actual game

[past veldt]

I suspect I've probably played in more comp / organised games than a lot of people in here have played matches full stop

[novel geyser]

I think the biggest problem with AT isnt the fact they can kill tanks effectively, its just they can keep throwing themselves endlessly at a tank to kill them, counterplay as a tank crew isnt getting you far because the AT will just respawn and keep spamming their rockets

[past vortex]

its probably going to be a real mess in game too

[worthy charm]

Please ask the orga team of the event that. Im pretty sure no one here, including me knows.

[covert elbow]

Agreed. PIAT and Panzershrek be gone on North Africa maps and Soviet maps

[echo karma]

Like why is the tc not the tinkerier?

[covert elbow]

This. 100% this

The problem is not AT itself. It’s AT spam

[azure heath]

Anti solo tank

[covert elbow]

Satchels are broken because one guy can keep suiciding 5 times to get one tank

[echo karma]

And nothing was even said about the is2 nor the recon vehicles getting stuck every 2 seconds

[covert elbow]

And rockets can be spammed until the tank is dead

[past veldt]

Brother you are in 82AD

[covert elbow]

It’s the battlefield resupply system and it needs to go

[past veldt]

I'm not sure I've ever lost a game Vs your team

[azure heath]

That would require a respawn overhaul

[finite berry]

I think the biggest issue of this is that it doesn't even remotely make sense. It's a mechanic that would even appear to be out of touch in a Battlefield title.

[worthy charm]

Its hard to fix this, there is a small path between making tank op or straight up changing nothing. (Assuming they cant make it worse 😅)

[lime cypress]

who said 82 is good XD

[echo karma]

2 man spa is hilarious too

[past vortex]

from what you are saying... console games must be aweful :D

[lime cypress]

satcheling a good tanker is hard tho so 🤷

[covert elbow]

Yes. It’s what I’ve been asking for a long time

[thin lotus]

A tank that dies to a satchel 100% deserves it

[past vortex]

obviously not on console tho :D

[echo karma]

Maybe the panther gets classed as medium tank like it should have been already

[covert elbow]

No in BF it makes sense because it’s a much faster paced game. It doesn’t make sense in HLL because it’s a lot slower and takes more time to get to the front

[lime cypress]

well i think console should get their version of game...

[novel geyser]

this is where I keep saying changing AT to its own squad and limiting their options via the map alongside limiting tank options via the map could strike a decent balance

[covert elbow]

So your saying rocket and satchel spam doesn’t exist on PC? Steam must be the promised land then

[novel geyser]

seperating AT into its own unit provides a specific squad or two whos entire purpose is dealing with tanks, while currently every squad can deal with a tank

[pine ember]

It once was

[finite berry]

Nah. It's immersive, realistic and just a nice addition. Also, single fire by clicking once is possible, but hard when talking about stuff like an MG 34.

[echo karma]

Are tanks gonna be faster no too? Plus what's with the tinkier function. I'd never wanna get outta my tank to swap my abilities etc

[finite berry]

I meant from a realism-POV 😅

[lime cypress]

rocket spam where most of the time it doesnt do anything unless you hit engine?

[covert elbow]

I’d say limit the role per team since AT was usually integrated into a squad

[worthy charm]

Its hard to say in my opinion... Im not good enough in this game to be sure im not just biased or stupid. (Opinion wise obviously)

[past vortex]

i have personally totally slaughtered bad tank crews
and if the crew is good a kill is a major achievement
so idk why you are saying that

[echo karma]

Light tanks are garbage in general cuz they die to rockets so easily plus heavy tanks 1 shot anything medium and below

[covert elbow]

That’s usually where it’s spammed, yes

[lime cypress]

easily avoided then

[novel geyser]

neither am I really but I'd also like rifleman to be more common for infantry squads, so splitting engineer and AT into different units can also help this

[past vortex]

rockets dont work at all against heavies

[lime cypress]

anyway all i want is bug-free and no performance issue update 🙏

[sharp kayak]

what intelligent beast had the idea for this amazing update with the armour?

[worthy charm]

Not all rockets are created equally.

[past vortex]

yea me too, but thats not gonna happen

[sharp kayak]

Not very smart people

[echo karma]

They should side pen and rear pen all day imo. Even the Germans started using side skirts for this issue

[cosmic pilot]

Infantry AT is a platoon asset and should get it's own limited squad like recon.
This gives infantry at locality proportional to the locality of tanks.
Give regular infantry squads non lethal at capability

[sharp kayak]

gonna be glitching aswell

[past vortex]

if they get behind you you did something wrong

[sharp kayak]

how about they fix the scoreboard on consooe

[worthy charm]

Again, please stay respectfull.

[novel geyser]

ah yes rockets are so historically bad at anti armour that they were never used again in an AT role, mhm yep sounds right to me

[past vortex]

if the at rockets were historically accurate then they would be op

[echo karma]

Historically the side armour on all tanks was garbage. 30mill is so bad. But there engagements were really far.

[cosmic pilot]

Yeah, like in SD2

[novel geyser]

Id like them to be historically accurate, but also I'd like them to limit at so I guess they both work

[azure heath]

Now what’s this future games show showing

something else new? The next map?

[echo karma]

The question is can I drive the puma over a trench and not get stuck. Also mobility kid on a recon tank is uh kinda busted huh?

[covert elbow]

Probably showing off the new map and SPG’s

[worthy charm]

Thats a good question, I think there are 3 options:
1 - More Tank rework informations
2 - New Map
3 - arty rework

[novel geyser]

pacific 🥳

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[novel geyser]

[echo karma]

Delete nodes plz.

[worthy charm]

I would be hyped for the arty rework.

[novel geyser]

actually kinda based

[echo karma]

Not enough fuel for spa plus 2 heavies and how ever much mediums

[pine ember]

I see barely more than two tanks at a time average per team

[novel geyser]

making nodes or some form of supply gameplay more than just

go to corner of the map
drop supplies
Build three nodes
swap class
would be good

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-leela-seriously-serious-gif-4624080

[echo karma]

If SPA is arty rework, that's lazy af imo. Give recon satchels. So they can do actual recon activities

[novel geyser]

nah nonononono

remove artillery

last thing we need is another class with satchels

[echo karma]

Depends on server. I typically see alot. And most of these servers no one plays commander except me

[novel geyser]

the problem with artillery is the loop is inherently bad and recon being able to destroy the guns doesnt help it
make arty a commander call in and give infantry a mortar squad

[echo karma]

Arty does the same thing tanks are meant to do. Just give more rng to arty imo. If no arty, it's gonna be safe to run across an open field. Or not hunker down on an obj etc.

[bronze lark]

Increasing the spawn time for Heavy tanks are you Guys ok? @fluid pawn

[fringe horizon]

This armor rework is trash 🗑

[echo karma]

Would put it on a cooldown essentially. And you'd have dedicated arty squads again. Sap resources too.

[bronze lark]

If you want to kill the game, just say it 🤣

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-11098413

[bronze lark]

You’re in a clan yourself K

[azure heath]

coming in droves

ppl just hate change

[echo karma]

Tanks are meant to mop up infantry. Especially with how long the cooldowns are on heavy. They primarily nuke infy. Obviously if a tank is up you kill it but sitting a campy choke point and mowing down infy is what tanks do.

[bronze lark]

You can stop now, you’re making yourself look stupid

[covert elbow]

It is genuinely funny how everyone I’ve seen say the update is terrible has been a comp player haha

[worthy charm]

Lets stay respectfull please

[novel geyser]

mortar squads are atleast counterable without needing to spawn kill
they'd have less range than the current artillery so they'd have to be closer to the front line and the guns would be destructible, you actually have to play a game of cat and mouse instead of just running to the designated arty spot

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/he-aintlyin-preach-truth-facts-tho-gif-15825744

[fringe horizon]

Just mute the troll i did

[azure heath]

over half of the regular player base so adds up

[bronze lark]

How? Increasing the spawn time for something that’s already scarce is just crazy

[frail heart]

Mods Support please & thankyou💯

[covert elbow]

Heavy’s are not scarce lmao. I see more of them than mediums.

1 minute timer? Really?

[gentle lintel]

Finally get our hello kitty skins with mods

[past veldt]

You can get like 11 or 12 heavies out a game right now. They're not scarce

[royal glade]

Two Heavy tanks limited its really dumb imo

[echo karma]

Yes but it's more supplies and the maps are generally pretty go straight. It's nothing like s44. We don't build fobs. And I've seen many a ppl can barely use mills on the arty correctly.

[fringe horizon]

Plus there adding a 4th crewman spot 🤢 🤮

[frail heart]

I think it will be server dependent on what mods run on what ya know so people will have the choice to play with mods or vanilla

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/tell-it-girl-speak-the-truth-person-human-clothing-apparel-gif-9852711493864193636

[echo karma]

I just want mu recon tank go not get stuck on a rock or be able to drive over trenches etc. I do have 6 35inch tires

[royal glade]

Fix what is broken not what is not please!

[topaz lodge]

aaaaaaaaaahhhh fobs

[echo karma]

Will incentives camping hard now. And cooldown doesn't start till heavy is dead. Less objectives will be pushed in casual games. Etc

[royal glade]

That should be a server option thing not force it on everyone.

[fringe horizon]

Fix the hit registry and terain issues, don't add stuff we didn't ask for.

[frail heart]

Do the devs want to improve HLL or help actively destroy it? Why the hell they turning up the heavy spawns

What would be the answer is give more control to community servers let us set these stats our selfs

[echo karma]

I foresee none of these tinkier abilities being balanced at all. And alot of trolling. And the is2 being unkillable now

[worthy charm]

Again there were a lot of people who asked ages for a tank rework.

[covert elbow]

Anyone here complaining about how tanks are “becoming useless” and the update is “terrible”, BF6 is about to release. Maybe that’s a bit more your pace 😉

[past veldt]

The stats stuff will be interesting. I've got little faith that they'll find a balance between factions on this, but we'll see what these actually are like

[novel geyser]

sorry to do this to you ninja but....
Battlefield mentioned

[frail heart]

Tbh I cant even remember the last time I touched a public game

[fringe horizon]

Not this, only issues is hit registry and terain issues

[echo karma]

I doubt the stats will be readily available too. So we'll have to realy on someone who tests things to figure out the stats. Plus stats are to hard for your target audience. They can't do math on arty

[past veldt]

Beat this

I installed the game after a comp game map flip on Sunday bc someone crashed

[analog apex]

The complaints feel like the comp or whoever tankers just refuse to learn the new stuff and take into consideration before rushing with their tank somewhere.

[frail heart]

A true team player as always Critical!
Comp is what will keep HLL active for the next few years.

Public matches on other hand can see it being basically done by December

[past veldt]

Comp tank meta is insanely slow

[echo karma]

Yes but the unfortunate reality is we'll never have tank realism akin to s44. It's to complicated for 90% of the playerbase

[cobalt acorn]

Month Avg. Players Gain % Gain Peak Players
Last 30 Days 3,517.7 -124.8 -3.43% 7,541
July 2025 3,642.5 -494.7 -11.96% 8,055
June 2025 4,137.2 -33.1 -0.79% 9,163
May 2025 4,170.3 -639.9 -13.30% 9,701

Game is dying

[past veldt]

Right, but having the match winner dictated by which side you're on isn't particularly fun for anyone

[echo karma]

88mil pak when?

[royal glade]

[frail heart]

All the vets aint playing its all the newbies with no mics

[worthy charm]

That a realisation that almost all of the regular discord members have come to. I think based on what I could read in the blog, they are trying to make a unique but engaging system. It looks cool for me but as a Tank andy im slightly biased.

[cobalt acorn]

cause the game is terribly optimised and the DEVS are STILL clueless 🫃

Oh and its $89.99 💀

[royal glade]

Start working on HLL 2 -- The pacific

[strange belfry]

Mobile artillery - LMFAOO

[worthy charm]

Where the hell are you from? Its like 50€ for me, not including that the game is on sale half of the time...

[analog apex]

not sure how other peeps, but that would be a no buy for me... if the whole game would be just about the Pacific

[royal glade]

Hes from antarctica

[pine ember]

Many people wont buy that

[frail heart]

I mean its basically on sale every couple weeks. The devs have used all they can to squeeze the player numbers with Gamepass & Epic. That was the start of the major downfall for the OG players

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-charlie-kelly-iasip-shut-up-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-4716877870997599526

[cobalt acorn]

would you pay 50 € for this game? 🫃

[echo karma]

Yup. And given there past on how they've shown they couldn't rework the brittish. It's looking bad. Just outsource it and hope it works I reckon. Otherwise balance is gonna be a huge issue. Even modifying tank speed is huge. Let alone anything else. Gun Depression being huge too. Most rounds shooting straight as arrow at 600m but that's an ungodly distance for most tank engagements in this game.

[worthy charm]

Why the hell do you need a pregnant emoji in every message?

[royal glade]

Cant say what people will do.. many people keep buying COD even though its reskinned game ... Dont speak on things you dont know.

[novel geyser]

have you considered they might be pregnant

[covert elbow]

He’s having a baby! Lay off the guy!

[cobalt acorn]

why does it bother you? 🫃

[frail heart]

I got this game for £13 5years ago its defo moneys worth. But now its just sad to see the game going down hill

[worthy charm]

Im beginning to think you want a warning... thats all.

[azure heath]

I like chicken 🫃

[thin lotus]

(It was never that good)
🤫

[pine ember]

Pacific might be wanted by many players, but still there are many which wouldnt play it

[echo karma]

Wish itd just crash n burn already. 6 months for a small update is ridiculous

[frail heart]

All there time being spent on Golf With Friends 2 man best game from T17

[cobalt acorn]

governance on a dead games discord server, i would have never guessed 🫃

[royal glade]

Then they dont have to let the people that want play it.. I dont like playing COD anymore will that stop them from making it... NO

[analog apex]

dead discord server? Seems pretty lively here 😄

[covert elbow]

S44 moment. People asked for pacific, they got pacific, and then got mad they got pacific

[azure heath]

What’s your number? 🫃

[pine ember]

Funny to see all the comps raging here

[echo karma]

I read it all. They said it would be faster to drive on the road than drive off the road meaning it's fixxen to be a slog.

[frail heart]

It was dead as soon as they changed it to S44 it was a wasted investment

[molten sail]

@moderator bann him troll very known troller

[proven canopy]

Comp is the thing keeping the game alive sped

[azure heath]

Don’t I wanna eat him

[pine ember]

I played a lot of comp myself, just adapt to it. Things can change

[echo karma]

This is true. The new player experience is horrendous bro

[fringe horizon]

Your adding and taking to much from armor

[azure heath]

What is this minute cooldown? Very dumb

@fringe horizon blah blah i hate anything that changes

[worthy charm]

That one of the main aspect of a rework... 😅

[molten sail]

im think we are need pecific what think guys?

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[novel geyser]

yeah pacific would be good

[worthy charm]

Only cool people can do that smogles /s

[fringe horizon]

Not talking to you troll

[hybrid sage]

me when 🫃

[molten sail]

pecific thearte

[worthy charm]

Please stay serious.

[thin lotus]

The prevailing “the game is supposed to suck” shared between a not insignificant portion of this games playerbase has always been weird.

[covert elbow]

It’s just… gah it’s just so satisfying seeing comp players get their comeuppance. They kept yelling “go play S44 or Arma” for years because BM decided to be lazy and not update their game past alpha, and now that we’re actually getting more immersive mechanics to help bridge the gap between realism and gameplay.

https://tenor.com/bdhv6.gif

[echo karma]

Also when we getting a pts for consoles? Xbox performance is horrendous to great. It's all over the place

[fringe horizon]

Yeah a trash rework

[hybrid sage]

Sorry, I didnt mean to not ever have a serious moment in a general chat for Hell Let Loose. I wont act out again Officer!!!!

[molten sail]

you know the in the water islands and many pvp with the japan and the us army officers you know me?

[analog apex]

doesn't mean the devs have to keep doing only the comp's bidding

[worthy charm]

@azure heath Come down with those reactions please

[azure heath]

ok

[pine ember]

Not to mention comps can adapt

[thin lotus]

The game needs more communication, not kills
:^)

[covert elbow]

If comp is the only thing keeping the game alive, the game died a long time ago

[analog apex]

and so they should. But they just refuse to and complain instead 😄 .

[hybrid sage]

GAS can you please communicate more with your team and build a garry or two instead of fiending for 200 kills a game, thanks!

[fringe horizon]

I've been tanking for 4yrs on this game and never once had any complaints about it except terain and hitbox issues

[royal glade]

Ah yes Milsim people ... who enjoy calling each other by a rank they will never earn in life LT. PVT GEN!

[molten sail]

im agree but the paecific will the make players back to hell let looose and we are the gaming many again

[pine ember]

Comp is relying too much on metas and glitches which makes sense but is not what the game is intended to be

[echo karma]

Eh the gameplay is good It's that the game explains nothing to you. The little took tips are a joke. There's certain things you learn overtime that the game literally doesn't tell you. Like at can 1 shot a medium with 2 rockets to the rear. Or satchels explode in a radius even upwards etc. Gary placement. Red vs blue. Where to put OPs etc. Don't cross an open field even if it looks free

[analog apex]

this exactly 💯

[worthy charm]

Then you never had the pleasure of driving a Tiger before U10. I miss my donut tiger

[azure heath]

I’ve been tanking for that time and have wanted this rework, however I do agree that servers should have a choice

[pine ember]

Ah the comp nerds... Adapt or play BF6. HLL isnt a slightly more hardcore BF

[molten sail]

@thin lotus you knoaw on the steam chart the not many player on the playing hell let loooose and pecific are the bring them back

[novel geyser]

I think they call this a truth nuke

[fringe horizon]

Regardless I hope you understand why I have a problem with the update then

[covert elbow]

Been the issue for years. Nothing can change because comp looses viability. I swear I see this every update without a substantial change without fail.

These guys just want to keep the game in a limbo of pre-alpha haha

[hybrid sage]

specific tutor would be cool

[covert elbow]

God forbid we blaze an identity for ourselves instead of “slightly hardcore battlefield” haha

[azure heath]

Thanks for the timer change

[royal glade]

Go report to your Gen please before he yells at you in discord.

[analog apex]

still needs work - the admins need to be able to add/subtract from the current live match timer on the fly

[novel geyser]

no no no you see the janky weird prone jumping is actual the exact same as crouch jumping in counter strike or something like that

[proven canopy]

Why would the devs not cater more to the comp community keeping the game and servers alive? Comp players spend the most time and money in the game. Casual players come and go. Maybe play a game here and there and don’t even play the game right. When was the last time u saw a casual place a Garry down.

[molten sail]

we need hell let loose coaches

[pine ember]

Its just cringe, thats why I dont play comp anymore. Either adapt and play the game how it was intended, or leave. But sadly, comp is the only one that still communicates. I wish we got 2021 HLL back when communication was still the rule in pub matches

[hybrid sage]

The "comp nerds" are why the game peaks on Sunday at 1pm EST 🤣

[azure heath]

I was talking about a minute to 30 secs but that too

[pine ember]

I dont think he will

[fringe horizon]

I'm not trying to disrespect people who want the update, but yeah it should affect public servers and not private servers

[molten sail]

love the slow mode, guys there are more then the same 3 people talking QUICK slwo it down WE CANT HANDLE IT!!1

[thin lotus]

Yes the steam chart non players are pacific bringing back the game to players in hll not without pacific

[dusty bolt]

hello @hybrid sage

[hybrid sage]

the capital letters in Gas messages is pretty abrasive ngl

[azure heath]

You’re a comp nerd! /j

[hybrid sage]

dont say the C slur smog!

[frail heart]

110%

[gentle lintel]

adding comp nerd to language filter

[azure heath]

nooo

[hybrid sage]

hello glaer

[novel geyser]

c*mp nerd

[azure heath]

cump nerd

[frail heart]

Tuesdays / Thursdays & Sundays have the biggest player base as thats when the comp events are on not because of public matches.

[hybrid sage]

game reaches its weekly peak because of c*mp 💔 🥀

[analog apex]

When was the last time u saw a casual place a Garry down.
Coincidentally today xD .

[pine ember]

Sadly, I also understand why

[molten sail]

🐲

[azure heath]

So when’s the M&Ms crossover update coming with the MREs?

[hybrid sage]

what is the dragon emoji supposed to signify?

[frail heart]

and the peaks are usually 7:30pm BST / 20:30 CET timezones

[steep gorge]

No. These people just want to be able to mod or play on community-built/modified maps. After that, nobody really cares what the devs cough up after the fifth outfit or from the half-finished roadmap (interestingly, as far as the roadmap goes, they’re actually doing pretty well this year, which couldn’t really be said before).

[novel geyser]

a cool freaking dragon

[molten sail]

i think we need to add the chance to catch sepsis if a medic revives you without proper procedure

[oak current]

Being revived? Whats this weird concept?

[limpid field]

Doesn't make sense to make it only 2 heavys at a time with cool down starting when it dies. Tanks are not that hard to kill. Can I have 2x 76s or 1x 76 and 1x 75 jumbo?

[covert elbow]

Comp players? If they want to make custom servers then ask for that, not bash and put down every idea that dares to change the outdated and limiting game mechanics

[azure heath]

I think we should remove OPs and Garrisons and force people to walk across the entire map after dying

[royal glade]

[hybrid sage]

the faction asymmetry has worked out good so far. Firefly having horrible maneuverability and no hull gun, soviet not having a rocket when new to the game. all that good, balanced stuff.

[gentle lintel]

remember before they added trucks 😳

[molten sail]

haha 😃

[frail heart]

its faster to type !respawn or !r these days 😉

[limpid field]

We can go back to not having transport trucks to start the game

[azure heath]

Yes, my one game before i returned it lol

[dusty bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/omgbruh-corey-harris-omg-bruh-zoom-court-gif-2693074222613527227

[frail heart]

We need modding tools to do this

[azure heath]

Add a paratrooper faction that doesn’t get vehicles

[hybrid sage]

Another map like driel would be cool, where the average is 4-1 axis

[gentle lintel]

a paratrooper without a vehicle is just a trooper

[frail heart]

Us server owners can only just now change how long a match timer is.

Its huge upgrade for us but not enough

[azure heath]

they can get planes and parachutes

[untold matrix]

They are messing with my favorite map Stalingrad, why pick on that, work on making grass taller in Mortain or something

[azure heath]

he’s rowdy

[gentle lintel]

Stalingrad was/is much needed imo - I'm sure they are not looking at it exclusively ☺️

[molten sail]

that super cool and fun, we need to add 3 more arty guns and make mgs hit scan and add more suppression effect actually the suppression needs to discombobulate and knock you out

[covert elbow]

Going to state it again, in a vaccum this isn’t a good update. For it to be a worthwhile update AT and resupply systems need to be updated as well to balance the new tank changes.

Also scrap the “tinkerer” idea immediately. It’s just bad as it will become the meta loadout and is Argueably more important then the tank commander

[azure heath]

if my frames don’t drop to 10 at some point in every match on it would be cool

[frail heart]

Remember when they moved a whole bridge on Carentan

[gentle lintel]

bridges tend to do that

[hybrid sage]

or when they removed half the hedges from SMDM

[pine ember]

If they touch the current ambience sounds of Stalingrad I will leave the game

[covert elbow]

And I’ll probably have to say it 100x more

[worthy charm]

Your chance to make the first feedback about the tank rework that isnt just "ewwwwwwwwwwww, I hate it".

[frail heart]

Ah yes the Gardner was working that day

[limpid field]

And their was a comp tournament playing on that map

[gentle lintel]

Greg the bushcutter

[covert elbow]

I’m at work so I’ll have to do it at lunch

[frail heart]

200 very angry people

[oak current]

200?

[worthy charm]

Ahhh damn... Just do it as I do and get unemployed, free money I tell you! Free money!

[hybrid sage]

200 is a pretty significant portion of the playerbase, not even joking

[frail heart]

Main team of 100 players playing plus the other 100 backups right or is that just my team that does that?

Ofcourse I mean 100 my mistake

[hybrid sage]

I wish my team got 200 signups a game

[oak current]

dont know teams that have 50 extra to play

[frail heart]

Your not wrong, SLB on tuesdays have like 5 servers full of people

[frail heart]

Not anymore, most of us have to get mercs from other teams now.

[thin lotus]

😬

[covert elbow]

I have to full my various addictions so the free money of unemployment won’t work sadly

[worthy charm]

I get 650€ per month, works fine for me xD

addictions can be hard tho

[thin scarab]

only think T17 need to rethink is the new role, have a feeling something like that should not be in the game

[novel geyser]

yeah my only issue is the tinkerer thing
We will just have to see how it plays but it seems kinda needless

[frail heart]

The boat people get more than that and free acommodation.
Might ditch my passport and come back via the channel life seems better that way

[thin scarab]

why give someone something extra ? just rework armor and thats it no need for these extra weird things i would even call it tanker traits

[worthy charm]

They also can drown for free and have trauma, I wouldnt like to switch with them honestly.
Lets not get political though... 😅

[hybrid sage]

Maybe the luchs will become useful for something other than cap weight

[frail heart]

Youve made my day 🙂

[worthy charm]

That would be crazy, imagine APCR for the luchs

[hybrid sage]

Tinker with my luchs so that it can pen more things at the cost of not firing correctly when I need it to

[novel geyser]

tinkering my sherman barrel to be 10x longer

[faint depot]

What does it means “tinkerer”? How it would work?

[granite zephyr]

It's crazy that all they needed to do to fix tanks was fix traversal issues and make armor values and make guns armor penetration realistic.

[novel geyser]

my assumption is a crew member can use a tool on the tank to upgrade a specific trait (?)

[river rover]

https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/ww2-tanks.php