mess-hall

[pine ember]

Multiturreted tanks won’t work

Please not

[wind shore]

So we need good camouflages for new vehicles

[vestal spear]

werent we supposed to get boom scooters ?

[wind shore]

Grey camouflages or camouflages

[oak current]

dont know why people keep thinking theres something else than uniform DLC

never has been and was confirmed to never come

yet people use "PINK MP40 " and other brainfarts as go-to jokes

[worthy charm]

Maybe... I dont know enough, neither do I need to. I would be happy, to get a little hetzer.😆

[wind shore]

Camouflages , they missing in the game, if they could, add some new for some theatres

Not as dlc then

[worthy charm]

Pink Tiger

[pine ember]

No

And Bingo

[oak current]

that nonsense as well

[cosmic pilot]

basically, TDs need to be free to run around the map to do whatever they want

[pine ember]

We get them already…

[cosmic pilot]

tanks need to be infantry support tools that can shoot at armored targerts if they happen to see them

[wind shore]

Some vehicles misses Balken Kreuz on the tower of tanks

And also trucks

[cosmic pilot]

it's a difference of "i'm hunting tanks"
vs
"i can kill a tank if i see one"

[wind shore]

Still some vehicles could get some Balken Kreuz on vehicles

[cosmic pilot]

medium tanks get thrust into the TD role but aren't actually effective at it because they're only chance against heavy tank spam is to flank

[pine ember]

We don’t need that

[oak current]

...yes..the TD....role..of the TDs...yes

[pine ember]

You don’t even notice it that it misses, and by late war it was very uncommon to see that on the vehicle anyways

[oak current]

dafuq is TD @worthy charm

[wind shore]

We need its standard Wehrmacht vehicles

[oak current]

OH

TANK DESTROYERS!

jesus

[worthy charm]

Why are you pinging me know?😂

[pine ember]

It’s not

Not for late war

[cosmic pilot]

tower defence

[oak current]

BE HONOURED!

[wind shore]

Meanwhile we don’t play only late war, so why I said for different theatres

[worthy charm]

Fyi I will make fun about this in your next stream! Mark my words!

[wind shore]

It’s simple job to make new camouflage, with #

[oak current]

[pine ember]

Even there it’s uncommon

Better just leave it as it as, game has more serious issues

[worthy charm]

Thats my revenge on you and your cool emojis which I cant use.🥲

[oak current]

Why cant you use them?

[worthy charm]

No external emojis for the peasant folk.

[wind shore]

It is part of reworks

• it’s not hard to refresh it for example to different maps new camouflages

It would take a week or less for developers to introduce new fitting camouflages

[oak current]

[wind shore]

Like it was , this grey camo, make each unique camouflage for each map, since it’s free

It is not difficult job to draw on tank new camouflage , just using the grid

[cosmic pilot]

have this soda that explodes when it detects an owl
🫴 🥤

[pine ember]

But it isn’t needed

[worthy charm]

That bird is a vulture

[pine ember]

That’s too much

[wind shore]

My friend also asked why it’s only 1 camouflage for tank

[oak current]

Owl?

[wind shore]

For all maps

[oak current]

yisss

[cosmic pilot]

all this time i thought it was an owl

[pine ember]

He’s wrong

[oak current]

https://tenor.com/nArMLrD1p6Y.gif

[wind shore]

No? Cause game feels similar on each map

No new vehicles at the moment, STGs in Stalingrad

[pine ember]

Look at Tobruk tank camo, then Normandy and then Elsenborn…

[wind shore]

Panthers on Stalingrad, Luchs on African maps

[pine ember]

Yet you demand ridiculously inaccurate uniforms

[wind shore]

No new and proper stuff, we need it

[pine ember]

These issues should all be fixed

[wind shore]

Cause it’s also not bad why not

[pine ember]

We don’t need that, we need reworks to fix the issues you listed

[pine ember]

Inaccuracy

[wind shore]

Yes we need it I agree

This Luchs is everywhere, and IS-1

[oak current]

The thing is, most stuff thats in there that doesnt make sense, is just placeholders.
Problem is, placeholders arent being filled with the actual stuff.

"everyone gets SMGs for now, till we can hand out more rifles" - pre T17 placeholders era

and then we just kept them, and people got used to them

imagine if they'd remove 80% of smgs now and replace them with rifles.
People would loose their mind 😄

[pine ember]

The community sadly isn’t the same anymore

But yes, you’re right

[wind shore]

Yes, but it still not will take much take to paint on grid for example new camouflages for Stalingrad , to make it fresh, just this grey camouflages which is accurate for 1942 maps with Balken Kreuz, so why I’m asking for simple stuff, cause it could be done and it’s not dreams. After I suggested more important stuff like replacing vehicles and some guns removing them, STG44, IS-1, Luchs, from African maps

[oak current]

?

[wind shore]

Idk what’s difficulty in that to make simple stuff, I don’t pretend on more stuff like @pine ember and asking fully rework the game, better to ask things which could be done easily

So why I ask mostly for DLCs

And maybe a few new tank camouflages

Cause I know it’s possible

[worthy charm]

People already loose their minds, when we get a Danzig PTE with british forces instead of polish ones. :}

[oak current]

DLCs are an additional thing for financing and should not be the main focus for updates

[wind shore]

@pine ember Panzergrenadier asks for fully rework of all current systems. Me asking for simple things which could done easily and nobody will gets hurts from it

[oak current]

you can also ask for pink hats that shoot fireworks

you can ask for anything

[pine ember]

These things can’t be done easily and would just create more of a mess. First raw issues should be fixed, then we need to fix inaccuracies and after that comes new content

[oak current]

same as everyone else 😄

[pine ember]

These simple things won’t be enough

[pine ember]

DLC aren’t the most important thing and won’t fix anything

[oak current]

you know hes just gonna say the same sentence again, right?

[pine ember]

Makes sense, good night

[wind shore]

Straight important things I would say from my suggestions it’s adding proper tanks: KV-1 replace IS-1, removing STG44 on eastern front map , adding Sd.Kfz 222 and Autoblinda for North African campaign and eastern front again, and new vehicles maybe. The first important thing on my list is new map, it’s first what I’m waiting for. If you go to clans discord they are very disappointed and complaining about all stuff in game

[oak current]

so 3 new vehicles and we remove a gun and add a new map.

[wind shore]

I’m reading it time to time, and everybody was not happy with current things, so I would ask for less difficult things better, for me DLC is enough, new tank? Wow it would be privilege to me, new map? For me it’s important

[wind shore]

Yeah, personally me happy with all those stuff, I can’t be simply

[oak current]

which would mean the current loadout system needs either a rework, or there needs to be a new subfaction for eastern front maps

[wind shore]

But when I come to clans discord for example consoles and others , everybody expects more things than me

[oak current]

so a rework or new subfaction, if you want to remove a weapon from eastern front maps

[wind shore]

Yes, but it’s not much necessary for me

[oak current]

plus 3 new vehicles and a new map

[wind shore]

My important list :
1)new map
2) New DLCs
3) new tank

Others say it’s not enough 2 maps in 1 year, but I can’t demand more, I can play new map for months

I still plays Mortain

[worthy charm]

Why are DlCs above new tanks?😭

[wind shore]

And happy with Tobruk

[worthy charm]

Scuffed list fr

[boreal sparrow]

Is this game still getting regular updates? I’m a new player

[wind shore]

Cause it’s easily to make and faster to wait

[oak current]

I dont care about new maps that much, I'm fine with them just making some generic ones "Forest" "meadow" "Village" and other shit 😄

[wind shore]

My prior number 1 is new eastern front map

I would play it

[oak current]

Aye - PTE for Stalingrad Rework next week and some infos for next Update are over at #telegrams

[worthy charm]

People who pay for their food dont have the money to buy Hll DLCs. :}

[wind shore]

I would say maybe i would prefer this new map to other maps, and would play if I see

[worthy charm]

:}

[wind shore]

And I don’t care really , releases new dlcs lol

And I’m happy with that, with new releases of DLC

[wind shore]

But ok let it be with out new dlcs , let it be content then

[azure heath]

kedo you’re an odd guy

paying more money for a paid game

[cosmic pilot]

Paid

[wind shore]

No I don’t pay anything I just buy some DLCs

[wind shore]

DLC released a few times in 1 year

[wind shore]

Only for DLCs

[azure heath]

nah, i’m using in the nautical context my first typo in a year

[wind shore]

If it was USSR, I’ll repeat it , all DLC would be free then

And you will get 1 DLC for 1 person as must for free

[wind shore]

( of course I’m not serious )

[finite berry]

Damn, you were faster 😂

[worthy charm]

A lot faster 😅

[finite berry]

Shut, I was sleeping at that time :D

[wind shore]

youre profile

[finite berry]

*your

[pine ember]

And yours?

[nova pivot]

Yes it's very beautiful, a lot of bright colours 😁

[wind shore]

its gay flag

[nova pivot]

🫢

Well you have the Russia flag

[pine ember]

And what then? Yours is also

[wind shore]

my is russian police

[pine ember]

Yea, gay flag

[wind shore]

no

you traitor to youre country

[pine ember]

Yes

[pine ember]

Why?

[wind shore]

why you traitor to youre country you should love youre country

[pine ember]

I love my country

[nova pivot]

He loves Germany, trust me he does

[pine ember]

That’s why I don’t love Russia

[nova pivot]

Yes you do 😅

[pine ember]

It’s not that common here, but I love my country

[pine ember]

But only the Germany version from 1949

[nova pivot]

🥺

[pine ember]

That doesn’t have something to do with that

[wind shore]

germanh 1933 is best

[finite berry]

*your

[finite berry]

Least insane Russian take

Yes, you already pointed that out multiple times

[pine ember]

No

[finite berry]

Based anti-communist take tho :)

[pine ember]

You know what they did back then to people like you?

But you seem to be Russian or atleast very like them

[finite berry]

You can't make this conversation up xDD

[wind shore]

its not youre conversation

[pine ember]

I don’t care, but anyways, Germany in 1933 was the worst

[finite berry]

*your

[pine ember]

It is

[wind shore]

i dont care i dont want get banned

[pine ember]

Then don’t drop sentences like “1933 Germany was the best”

[nova pivot]

People are so funny

[pine ember]

They probably don’t even know much about that topic

It’s just the average 15 years old view of politics and history

[cyan saddle]

Next topic

[nova pivot]

Ye sir

[nova pivot]

Message deleted and changing topic

@pine ember hello

This year I'm travelling to Passau

You know where that is?

[vestal spear]

And?

[pine ember]

Yea of course

There are three rivers in the city

[cyan saddle]

What do we have to do to make you a medic main

Also can you tell my bus driver to stop driving in and out of zones with network service coverage

[nova pivot]

My cousin repeats that all the day, it's the only thing she knows about the city LOL

[finite berry]

Add tickets :)

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-day-fail-float-river-gif-17925431

[pine ember]

That’s the thing the city is famous for

[cyan saddle]

Install the game :)

[pine ember]

But I think the city overall also is quite nice

[nova pivot]

It's close to Braunau am Inn👀

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/doc-roe-band-of-brothers-gif-5760882808324395130

[finite berry]

No :)

[topaz lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/carried-soldier-helping-aid-i-will-save-you-gif-15743348

[pine ember]

Yep, but the painter also lived in Passau

[nova pivot]

👀

[pine ember]

Yea anyways, since it’s in Bavaria the local food there is very good

Because Bayern

[nova pivot]

I'm looking forward to going, any cool ww2 stuff nearby?

[pine ember]

The painter thing I would say is the most WW2 related😅

Else I don’t know, maybe a museum

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-sbso-sbsp-wacky-gif-10150404673915756358

You got him close to it Abu.

[pine ember]

Where is my 10 am Döner?

[wind shore]

Yeah, I agree - you can’t blame people for that stuff , like he is traitor same as they can’t @wind shore
But cause they have weird opinions about history, when I get said about Lenin I got warned cause they cried, cause they have “decmoracy” lol

[hot talon]

I like being a medic because i can be a troll and diagnose them with random things

[hot talon]

Your and your*

Why are you* as well

A traitor*

To*

it sucks to suck as a country doesnt it

Wow nice delete mods

[worthy charm]

Im one comment away from getting the Hammer

[wind shore]

@worthy charm seriously?

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bongocat-banhammer-ban-hammer-bongo-gif-18219363

[hot talon]

What did i say that was even remotely wrong here?

[hot talon]

Got an answer?

damn thats crazy.

[worthy charm]

Dont 👏
Get 👏
Political 👏
Or 👏
I 👏
Smite 👏
You. 👏

[hot talon]

Where in that was political...? I said two people suck and pointed out a fact

[hot talon]

Lol

Any other comments or concerns

[hot talon]

Here.

[wind shore]

But can you do the same to your country? Critics it? I think no, it would be removed. So don’t bring any political statements here. I understand everything how it works, but you blamed my country. That’s all

[hot talon]

I would love to blame my country for a lot lol

And i can

[worthy charm]

Dont. Just dont.

[hot talon]

blow me.

[wind shore]

Ok, but it’s really funny Herr. When they dropping statements it’s mostly ignored cause it’s narratives. When I drop it mostly deleted, cause it might be true, I don’t care will skip it. But for me it makes me laughing doesn’t matter here or on other discord when somebody start it. Makes no sense. So then) let’s talk about other things, I mostly talking about the game

[worthy charm]

I dont care, just dont even start with this. Even my patience is on a line at some point.

And I would count myself as very patient

[wind shore]

Yes I didn’t, I joined today and I’ve seen this

I meant it was going conversation since morning

And half messages is deleted half not. Idk what he said, but …

[analog apex]

☝️ 😜

at least I don't need to repeat this by myself anymore heh

[pine ember]

Yes we can

[wind shore]

So, and others opinions would not be blocked. So in that point I have also democracy to critics others. That is based, when I said before something wrong , it gets banned immediately, so how it works, democracy. So it’s funny, don’t byte me.

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-pissed-off-anger-angry-fist-gif-15085494677503431326

[finite berry]

🤝 ❤️

[pine ember]

I don’t understand that

But there is so much democracy in the text that you can assume we talk about Helldivers

[wind shore]

Sadly my gifs don’t work, maybe Mercedes it’s also illegal to drop

[pine ember]

Mercedes isn’t anymore what it once was

I would never buy one, they are just not worth it anymore

[finite berry]

Thank God

[pine ember]

Yea maybe, but he has an „interesting“ process of thoughts

[wind shore]

I would say one word - leave it alone, cause here some mods would be scared, cause they have narratives. Those topics about politics.

[analog apex]

what's the topic anyway? I have read a few messages but can't find it...

admin abuse or something?

[wind shore]

And certain opinion, so cause I can’t say anything, let’s don’t start politics.

[pine ember]

I didn’t start

[wind shore]

Idk, I’ve seen their conflict idk

[cyan saddle]

I deleted a few messages, should have deleted everything I see

[wind shore]

Yes please Abu

[cyan saddle]

Either way, you're missing half of them

[analog apex]

ah, makes sense

[wind shore]

It’s not dialogue then, some can say opinion, others don’t, their political discussions also should be removed then

[analog apex]

this is not a place for political discussions though

[cyan saddle]

Kedo have you considered moving on

[wind shore]

Ok

[pine ember]

Can we get a 1941 Crete map with Fallschirmjäger?

[wind shore]

No

I doubt that we can get anything earlier 1941

First it’s balance, second we can’t get paratroopers cause broken code

[dim snow]

That would be a good map, always an under looked battle

[pine ember]

1941 Brits vs Germans would be balanced

[analog apex]

and even if, parachuting from the skies would just uncover the detail-less areas that are outisde the main 2x2km ground plate
that would require getting more details to the far distances of the unplayable area, which would make the fps likely worse

[pine ember]

Yes, only USA 1944 is boring

[wind shore]

That is not possible - parachuting

[dim snow]

I have a bad feeling it’ll be a US map after the eastern front map this year

[wind shore]

We don’t know we don’t have any roadmap 2026

[analog apex]

But we do know that Juno beach map was in production at some stage. Maybe that will be the one after the (probable Smolensk)/Eastern map.

[wind shore]

Anyways it doesn’t matter which map, my bet it’s Juno could be and other faction maybe

[nova pivot]

I would love juno

[wind shore]

I have found lack of photos of Juno

[dim snow]

Really wish they’d bring out a battle of France 1940 map.

[nova pivot]

Or caen

[wind shore]

Except bunkers

And aerial photography

[topaz lodge]

operation market garden map are good, italian teathre map

[dim snow]

They need to start churning out more maps, 2 maps a year is pretty poor tbh

[topaz lodge]

and others

we need more map, and not only in france

[analog apex]

because there are not any

[pine ember]

Please not

[nova pivot]

We need British in Europe and Africa and soviet maps

[analog apex]

agreed

[nova pivot]

And another axis faction, the Germans are goated but more variety would be amazing

[pine ember]

Yea, but I assume they wont bring out more than 2

[topaz lodge]

thank you 🥹

[pine ember]

FINLAND!!!!

[analog apex]

the Finnish are not Finnished xD

[topaz lodge]

In my opinion, for the maps we have now, we could opt for adding a third faction in Africa.

one or more maps should be created for the Finnish faction

ps i like finnish faction

[analog apex]

only if the maps in question would be of full size 2x1,2km - no sense in making small maps just for the sake of a faction (like the Post Office one we have seen in the Objective mode PTE 👎 )

[pine ember]

Fallschirmjäger subfaction would be goated

PHL, Carentan, maybe Hill400

[wind shore]

You have skin

[analog apex]

skin is not a subfaction (with their own weapons & equipment in their loadouts)

[dim snow]

They’d have to release a completely new uniform then as there’s one at level 8 and the dlc one

[pine ember]

Skin isnt enough

[pine ember]

They could just use the DLC one as the basis

[dim snow]

Hill 400 was volksgrenadier

[pine ember]

Also Fallschirmjäger were present there

More Hürtgen maps would be dope

Or Operation Nordwind

[dim snow]

Always found the dlc one weird

Like why are they wearing the gloves and knee pads still

[pine ember]

It doesnt even have the helmet

[wind shore]

Knee pads

Existed

[pine ember]

No idea, gloves make more sense than knee pads, but both are out of place

The standart green Knochensack could be cool as the basic uniform for a subfaction

[nova pivot]

Because looks cool

[pine ember]

With more as lvl unlocks

[pine ember]

Not when they werent jumping

[dim snow]

Exactly they stopped after the disaster of Crete

[pine ember]

Atleast the big scale operations

Later it made no sense either, Paratroopers are an offensive weapon

[analog apex]

[CMD meanwhile sends defensive airheads] 😃

[pine ember]

There were some smaller drops, but nowhere as big as Crete

[pine ember]

Yea, thats also possible to fly them in as defense

But it makes more sense to use regular troops if you have them

Btw remove airheads

[wind shore]

It could be removed it makes no sense

[analog apex]

yes pls, away with them!

[pine ember]

It would encourage teamplay if they arent there

[analog apex]

HLL dev A: HLL is a game where the team wins through communication and teamplay while fighting for the frontline
HLL dev B: we are adding airheads so the teams can break through the frontline without anything of what my collegue said
😄

[nova pivot]

Or limit them to one per game

[pine ember]

Just remove them, it makes no sense to have them

[analog apex]

and remove the UAV function from the flares while at it

[wind shore]

Based

[finite berry]

What are airheads

[pine ember]

Basically a spawnpoint the commander is able to drop behind enemy lines (99% it gets destroyed before even being used because you can identify it pretty easily)

[finite berry]

What kind of illogical backcamping bullsh it is that

[pine ember]

No idea

[finite berry]

It's harmful to gameplay and makes no sense realistically

[pine ember]

Exactly

[analog apex]

the magical boxes parachuted in (sent by the Commander), on which the players can spawn and get behind the line without any need of getting there on foot

[pine ember]

Which are destroyed 99% of the time before anyone uses them

[analog apex]

more like 85%

but that doesn't matter, they are bad

I sometimes wonder, whose sick idea it was 😄

[wind shore]

For me that’s enough it’s just map

[topaz lodge]

with airdrop?

[analog apex]

even without it

the point woudl be to get more realistic range and ratios of used weapons/equipment

for instance - Fallschirmjagers should have much more FG42s and not 1 per squad

[pine ember]

It still makes barely any sense

[pine ember]

That’s not that possible, but with unique weapons and uniforms

Maybe for Carentan a 101st airborne subfaction against it

Without Tanks or vehicles

No, I just want accuracy. The Equipment is way more important than the skins

[analog apex]

you are pulling his leg? He was obviously sarcastic (were you, PzGrenadier? xD ). Even the number I mentioned (85%) is probably underestimation. Could be closer to around 60% maybe. It always matter who is sending it and where too... hard to even generalize.

[topaz lodge]

only when the match start you see the airdrop

[analog apex]

but the point is it breaks the frontline in an unrealistic way... and hence... away with it

[pine ember]

And I was about all Aspects a subfaction comes with

Not only uniforms

[analog apex]

you are missing one crucial point - to build a garrison, somebody has to go there on foot physically first

[nova pivot]

I second @pine ember for this one, we need subfactions

[analog apex]

oh it does matter

[nova pivot]

Let him cook

[analog apex]

I don't think this is a case to "agree to disagree". Why?
Model situation: We are on any open map. We have a forest behind us but we have a sightline to every direction to access it. How would you get to it to build a garri there without being spotted (and killed)?

hence I proven it matters a great deal if one has to get there physically first

[dim snow]

They should of made the reinforced dlc a complete 101st airborne uniform with the insignias

[wind shore]

It’s copyright

©️

[nova pivot]

We have other divisions in the game

[pine ember]

Oh yea, but that would make them unique - Fallschirmjäger vs Airborne without vehicles

[wind shore]

Possible reason that it wasn’t added it is copyright of their insignias , 82, 101

[analog apex]

what I said is a fact, not an opinion
tell me a fact why it doesn't matter in the model situation I described

[pine ember]

There its not

[wind shore]

But they don’t exist anymore possible

And those 2 still exist and has copyright on using their label

[wind shore]

So why it wasn’t added, patches for them?

[analog apex]

but if you wanted to discuss it, you need to provide arguments... thhat's what a dsicussion is based on - arguments and counterarguments

[pine ember]

I dont know

[wind shore]

So possibly it means it’s copyright

[finite berry]

I like how people start discussions but are unwilling to actually discuss lol

[analog apex]

so why did you jump into the discussion about it then?

[pine ember]

I dont think so

[nova pivot]

Actually you can see a soldier from the 101 in the game loading screen

[pine ember]

These are the best :DD

[wind shore]

What was the reason that this patches draws in 1 hour for their paratroopers uniform

[pine ember]

Anyways, I get some Döner

[pine ember]

??

[wind shore]

It was already added if it was no copyright

[analog apex]

ok, worry not - you can tell us the counterarguments later when you are here next time 🙂

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[pine ember]

I dont think so

[analog apex]

then you do not make sense mate, sorry

[wind shore]

They have paratroopers uniform , and what they can do to make it 101 or 82, just to add 1 patch, whip could be drawn in 1 hour

101st and 82 AB still exists and they have copyright on their label

[wind shore]

So if it wasn’t, it was already added

[pine ember]

You cant know that

[wind shore]

It was in the roadmap and was declined

[analog apex]

gotta remember it for any next discussion you jump into, make a statement but refusing to back it up (especially when there is nothing that could back it up)

[wind shore]

101st cosmetics DLC

[pine ember]

Yep, but that is not the reason why it was declined...

[finite berry]

What really makes this funny is that in the time while the two of you were having a discussion about why one of you doesn't want to discuss, you could've easily brought up multiple arguments in regards to the initial topic (airheads)

lol

[wind shore]

The uniform was ready, and after it was released in the next year but with out any patches, it seems like it was removed

[pine ember]

Yep, sadly

[analog apex]

I have brought them, and was waiting for Robo to bring his.

[finite berry]

And there were dozens of responses like this 🫠

[wind shore]

Any discussions here - ban, that was the rule 😅

[finite berry]

Now it's 13

And soon 15

[pine ember]

But it wasnt released because the Objective mode was cancelled

[finite berry]

Ouw :(

No 15 :(

[wind shore]

I don’t think so, there is above 6+ maps which exists already for them

None of them were ever released

[wind shore]

If we have it only for objective mode, it makes sense

[analog apex]

if it is a subjective matter... **subjectively **it doesn't matter to you. I can't dispute that, everyone has his own opinions/beliefs. But can you in that case at least say that **objectively **it actually matters in the game?
Anyways, I know you are gone now from the break, so naturally I don't expect an answer any time soon (if at all... which is another possibility).

[pine ember]

Anyways

[wind shore]

We don’t need them

[pine ember]

We need subfactions

[pine ember]

We need

[wind shore]

What does it will change that you types it there?

Nobody would adds subfactions

[pine ember]

They see there is a demand for that

[pine ember]

You wouldnt, but most players want them

[wind shore]

And??… there are a lot of demands they can’t handle all of that

[wind shore]

I didn’t want cause I know it’s copy right already as possible

[pine ember]

But subfactions are very much needed and would actually change something

[wind shore]

All what we can get - 2 maps, and some reworks

[analog apex]

sad but probably true... doesn't seem the mapAmount delivery is getting any larger

[pine ember]

Then maybe they should make one map less next year and rework the game entirely

They have done a good job with the DAK, so it is possible for other subfactions

[wind shore]

We getting reworks this year

[pine ember]

These arent enough

[analog apex]

I don't think the mapMakers have anything to do with the in-game logic development, like subfactions etc.

[wind shore]

Not next year we can’t know what’s next year

[pine ember]

A proper rework of the game is absolutely needed. Tanks, Infantry, Maps, bugs,... all that needs work

[analog apex]

But Team17... such a rich studio. And yet the amount of delivered stuff is smaller than during the times of the Indie BlackMatter studio. Math doesn't work here...

[wind shore]

Nobody cares there, about subfactions etc, this discord isn’t active like it was before, where people discussed something, etc. it’s less active than it was in 2023 and 2022

[pine ember]

Thats false, most players care about subfactions and reworks

[pine ember]

Sadly yes

[wind shore]

But they wouldn’t have time on that big amount of stuff. Rework of maps how? New weather variations? Open some areas in Carentan

[wind shore]

It wasn’t added and I doubt it wouldn’t in the nearest future. It is very big amount of stuff for each subfaction

[analog apex]

In Carentan there are areas I would open up too indeed.

[pine ember]

Performance?? "They dont have time" isnt an argument. Make less new content, and use the time for reworks, its that easy

[wind shore]

We got last year for fixes, this year for reworks, it’s coming this year reworks

[pine ember]

And thats also false, just lay the focus on fixes rather than new content that gets boring after two weeks

[wind shore]

Or with out any new content it would die , the game

[pine ember]

Not enough rework

[pine ember]

A proper rework would save the live of the game

[wind shore]

Look at the past roadmap it was last year when they fixed all those stuff, this year is coming reworks

[pine ember]

They havent fixed enough

[wind shore]

No, there is another community plays already , they didn’t even use mics and don’t want communicate

[finite berry]

That's not how game development works

[pine ember]

Anyways, I will leave it here since you dont even understand my point

[wind shore]

They don’t care about most of stuff

Give them ability to shoot and they are happy as players for it

They don’t even build garrisons or speak, they pick up any role and goes into the fight

[analog apex]

so... you're here, yet you didn't react to me in other than this indirect way

sarcastic way
I will give you just one word of advice - if you decide to jump into a discussion in general, expect counterarguments or facts the same as they are expected from you. An opinion alone, won't make your statement valid.

[wind shore]

All we can get ( and need or demand ) - 2 maps, new uniforms. And 1 tank this year, and next year.

[pine ember]

Nope.

[wind shore]

People who doesn’t anymore communicating doesn’t care about what you listed

[pine ember]

Then these players are false here

[wind shore]

Yes how it is now

[pine ember]

I just kick them out of my squad

[analog apex]

yup, they are playing wrong game then

and therefore shouldn't be catered by the devs either

...unless the direction for the game changes officially with official statement that would let the players know

in any case, could have aspects of a scam

[wind shore]

They aren’t false, they simply don’t care much

[pine ember]

They are

[analog apex]

which is why they are playing the wrong game and are false players

the players who play it how it's meant to be played and in teamplay, do care

[pine ember]

Either you communicate or you will be kicked, it’s that easy

[wind shore]

I’ve seen the last lobbies for last 6 months:
Joining the game
Found it’s in offensive mode and you have 3 or 4 point to defend and there is no garrisons and OPs.
People fighting for truck and killing friendlies.
Support which is running all over the map and ignoring you when you ask him to drop supplies.
Mute officers and teammates.
And running from the HQ is became normal

And 1 guy taking that truck and moving with out any team mates just alone to the point , and he is engineer

[analog apex]

about the comms though - ever since the Tobruk or bipodding update, I get more and more bug like this

• the VOIP seems to be working as I am able to speak and the others hear me just fine
• however I do not hear anybody else until I use "VOIP check" option in the audio settings

The problem is, there isn't any visible indication of it beforehand.

[wind shore]

• on console it has VOIP issues and on other platforms

I doubt that it belongs to players

[pine ember]

Yep, sadly, game is getting worse and worse

It was much better a few years ago

[wind shore]

It’s all about how community plays it

[analog apex]

yeah because I haven't experienced this specific bug ever before the newest updates

the worst thing is when it happens when I am Commander - I am talking to people, asking them to do stuff... but I see them as mutes despite they are actually talking

[wind shore]

It depends on game community , half part on devs, the game experience

If community doesn’t want to communicate and game ends in 10 minutes cause muted Commander and no garrisons

Garrison system should be reworked

And became default dogouts or bunkers to spawn

Halftrack system also should became a normal truck which spawning in the start of the game

Not as garrison

[analog apex]

yeah - halftrack as a spawnpoint ulimately and immedaitelly made it useless for any combat

hide & forget

(and pray no dumb player starts the engine or godforbit takes it away for himself)

[wind shore]

And at all, everybody is running in white uniforms also

How many times it was that situation that guys running in white parkas and blouses, and spot all team

And it still wasn’t being removed from non winter maps

[pine ember]

And that’s why we need subfactions

[wind shore]

When?

[analog apex]

another reason for subfactions

ah you already said it 😄

[wind shore]

How it would work with already existing DLCs

Somebody would complain that he bought that skin and why others getting it “for free”

In Africa they done well job with subfaction

Before it was hell and mess

[pine ember]

His problem then

[analog apex]

that is a valid concern that would require a solution

[wind shore]

Before I wear white camouflage in Africa , cause I didn’t has existed camouflage for it and white was the less spotted than Feldgrau in African conditions

[pine ember]

DLC uniforms are used for subfactions. People that have it can play it on other maps where the subfaction isn’t present

[wind shore]

Some guys was wearing winter coats

I agree that subfactions makes less mess

How it was in Africa before, and how it’s now, now it’s accurate and comfortable to play it

[analog apex]

true enough!

[wind shore]

Yes I agree , and they can also release standard uniform as DLC, and put the DLC uniforms for subfactions. So if I want to wear Feldgrau I would be able to do it on certain map, where we have subfaction. There is the solution.

Others would be standard for that map - the certain uniforms, loadouts and tanks

IS-1 doesn’t fits in Kursk map or Stalingrad at all

[analog apex]

yep +I am sure the devs will be happy as well when they will be able to sell the currently standard uniforms as DLCs 😄

but would work nicely indeed

[wind shore]

Problem solved, and you disagreed with me that standard uniforms should also comes into DLCs

[wind shore]

Yeah why not, they doing well with the DLCs uniforms

It is accurate and not out of place

Also with maps it’s great and excellent job!

Idk, I never complains about “map is bad , unplayable” Only about performance

Remagen is well for me, fix the performance just

[analog apex]

Ben, I hope you are reading this because there is a solution to our problems right here above 😏 .

And an opportunity for T17 to to sell more stuff 😄 . 🥕

[wind shore]

No they don’t, we talking in our universe. I’m your imagination.

( joking , they read it )

I would say they read all of it, in mess hall, suggestions, they look at this

All we saying and talking about the game it doesn’t seem ignored, at least they read it

And each suggestion also

The one thing we still playing the game with Normandy stuff from the first maps

Luchs, Panthers etc. it works for years, heavy meta

[nova pivot]

@ him

[pine ember]

Standard uniforms shouldn’t be DLCs

[analog apex]

they should - they may be standard on one map but they may be not-standard on the other

[pine ember]

We all have them

[analog apex]

they would become a DLC to be able to use them also on other maps

but the standard uniforms would change based on the played map

for free in the map they belong to, not free in the map they don't belong to

winter ones ofc restricted only to winter maps in any case

[pine ember]

But which ones? For the Germans we have all, standard Heer (which should be able to be worn everywhere), Fallschirmjäger and Waffen-SS

[analog apex]

For instance - Fjg uniform would be the free standard in Carentan, The Heer uniform would be as a DLC on that map.

On SMdM, US paratrooper uniforms would be standard while they would be accessible just as DLC on the Utah Beach map...

[pine ember]

Heer should absolutely not be DLC

The lvl unlocks shouldn’t be touched either

[analog apex]

why not if among the German Paratroopers?

which would be the subfaction

[pine ember]

Because regular Heer soldiers were everywhere

[analog apex]

everywhere, but in Carentan the main force were Fjgs

[pine ember]

Yes, but even there the Heer was present in a significant quantity

And it’s the absolute standard, it shouldn’t be touched or paid

[analog apex]

well...

the (theoretical) implementation is just a matter of opinion. It could work well technically, but since I can't speak how many peeps would be for or against in this case... I can't say much more I guess.

[wind shore]

It should be, if would be subfactions, I might be able to wear standard uniform

[pine ember]

Nope

There is a reason why that uniform is standard

Only DLC uniforms should be used for subfactions

Not the default ones

[wind shore]

Ok, let’s use them

[analog apex]

I honestly don't even much care HOW it would be implemented, for as long as we would finally get the subfactions with dedicated loadouts, equipment and uniforms.

[wind shore]

And tanks

[analog apex]

probably

[wind shore]

This year it’s 101%

[analog apex]

huh? 😵‍💫 ❔

[wind shore]

This year we getting new tank or tanks

In the end of the year

Or vehicles

[analog apex]

aaah, yep we are getting some new vehicles but no idea what it is yet

[pine ember]

Jagdtiger

[silk igloo]

from the way they phrased it, it sounds like either a flamethrower tank or a big gun SPG

[wind shore]

@wind shore

[worthy charm]

I might be mistaken, but could it be you want the Jagdtiger?

[analog apex]

I hope it will be the tank destroyers.

[wind shore]

SPGs or light vehicles

Or flaks

It could be anything from vehicles

[analog apex]

flaks would have not much meaning - would have to be used against infantry only

[pine ember]

128mm gun go boom

Heaviest armored serial vehicle ever produced

[silk igloo]

oh wait, it said new vehicleS. i'll take a dozen

[analog apex]

for that we would need to ask the SQ44 devs 😄

[wind shore]

It would just the question which is this vehicle and how many vehicles, 1 for 1 faction, or whole class for 4 factions etc

[analog apex]

hopefully 1 class for all factions... consisted of at least 3 vehicles, 1 for each tier

[finite berry]

More like a modder lol He made practically all those new vehicles 😄

[wind shore]

Yeah if it’s SPGs it would be lol

[analog apex]

SPGs would make sense since arty rework is on the roadmap.

[wind shore]

Ah right it’s might be SPGs

[wind shore]

Hope it would be Karl-Gerät

[wintry thistle]

Unused Hummel asset

[analog apex]

and Priest

[wintry thistle]

And wirbelwind or Ostwind

Was one of the two

[wind shore]

Size does matter

[analog apex]

and some buildable famous flak 88

[wind shore]

It is on the map

But needs the team of 8 people to operate it

[analog apex]

yep, but not usable

[analog apex]

an MG would require 2 people too for example

some rocket loading too

we have to be realistic where we can be, but in some aspects it is just impossible and must be simplified... considering we have just 50 people in the team

[wind shore]

If is 60% that it would be SPGs this year

[silk igloo]

I think I'd rather have armoured, direct fire >120mm SPGs that shoot satchel-like projectiles at a very slow rate

[pine ember]

Sturmtiger

[wind shore]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RriPXg4PzeI?si=gtWBf9l0xnrHIizD

https://youtube.com/shorts/BL-az_X2SeY?si=SiCdE1JDfSnD4elQ

https://youtube.com/shorts/iVMnHCRyDI8?si=4Dg4ZlAzAMoEbBJe how AT guns should work in HLL

it should be a few different AT guns

[silk igloo]

I suppose 105mm is enough. Sherman 105 for US, StuH for germans, SU-152 for soviets. Stuh being the weakest with no turret, but durable against bazookas like the PZIV. SU-152 would have a bigger blast radius.

[wind shore]

Better take examples from Gates of Hell - amount of vehicles and weapons and stuff + guns sounds

[analog apex]

never came to contact with Gates of Hell

so no idea what you are talking about 😏

[wind shore]

Gates of Hell has a lot of interesting things which could make the game more content adopted

[wind shore]

Better to take WerbilWind, it has multiple turrets and cannons. ostwind only 1

[pine ember]

Its Wirbelwind

[finite berry]

Wirbelwind has only one turret

And the Ostwind and Wirbelwind have different cannons

[analog apex]

but 4 cannons

[finite berry]

Wirbelwind has four 2 cm Flak 38, Ostwind has one 3.7 cm Flak 43

[finite berry]

And a significantly lower calibre

[analog apex]

https://d7z22c0gz59ng.cloudfront.net/japan_contents/img/usr/item/3/32544/32544_1.jpg

Wirbelwind

https://www.peckamodel.sk/content/files/images/eshop-produkty/633981/f001-562323.jpg

OstWind

[finite berry]

Yes

And Ostwind's calibre is almost twice as big

Since there are no planes to shoot down, Ostwind would be the better choice due to its bigger calibre

[pine ember]

Möbelwagen would be cool

[analog apex]

The Germans always had so nice-looking/interesting combat vehicles.

The US ones to me always felt boring on the other hand.

[pine ember]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgTfBmoVB1v75n2vx0YVHq6F4qss65jUzmHCOe7DAAm4L_4WncnQjYjCVMVtoG5zNO-Oo&usqp=CAU

[pine ember]

US ones just look like you would imagine a normal tank

[finite berry]

Pointless

[pine ember]

Nothing special or modern

[finite berry]

SPAAs are pointless in general

In HLL

[cosmic pilot]

Commander abilities

[pine ember]

Exactly

[finite berry]

Not worth the effort

[cosmic pilot]

Yes it is

Slap a collision box and some hp

[wintry thistle]

Nothing burger

[cosmic pilot]

[finite berry]

If it only were so easy lol

[silk igloo]

take a transport truck, put it inside the transport/bomber plane as it flies overhead, disable the ability if it's blown up

we bethesda now

[cosmic pilot]

It is

[finite berry]

Pretty good chance it's not

[vivid temple]

@fluid pawn wdym with the telegram, i don't get it

[small prairie]

How do you get a rank role

[novel geyser]

My fellow americans, you are about to embark upon a great crusade 🤖

[fluid pawn]

React to the pinned post in telegrams 🙂

[fluid pawn]

Be sure to tune into Future Games Show <t:1755712800:R> 👀

[vivid temple]

what is future games show

[small prairie]

You mean #telegrams

[fluid pawn]

https://www.futuregamesshow.com/

^^^

[cosmic pilot]

Trust me, it's bloody simple.

[wind shore]

What does it mean? Terrible news?

Or another war correspondent video with community videos

[novel geyser]

No way pacific theatre reveal in 13 days get hyped

[finite berry]

I don't trust you

[novel geyser]

[tall kettle]

https://i.imgur.com/oqjthtn.png

[cosmic pilot]

I am a mod dev

[fluid pawn]

All I can say for now is what is in the telegram, but you'll definitely want to tune in

[gray garden]

Not another u15 trailer watch party mishap plss

[novel geyser]

Fix the game

[cosmic pilot]

I would if I could

[noble stone]

Skill issue

[wind shore]

Can HLL take some rewards on conquests ? Not only BF6 people would like to see.

[wind shore]

Thank you!

[cosmic pilot]

Hyrum's war in the east will be a thing by 2030

[novel geyser]

But you mod dev yes
Why no fix
Why on discord instead of fix game

[cyan saddle]

Finally, Hell Let Loose x Worms is coming

[noble stone]

The real news I’ve been waiting for

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/worm-basketball-gif-25732600

[wind shore]

Can HLL gets in somewhere like advertisement, to invite more players

[analog apex]

"The future of Hell Let Loose will be at the Future Games Show"
sounds hyping... just don't mess it up guys! 🤞

[noble stone]

HLL McDonald’s meal

[wind shore]

It’s click bait? Does it?

[cosmic pilot]

Inb4 insourced hll trailer

[cosmic pilot]

We have hll at home

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-greatest-moment-of-my-life-best-day-ever-happy-great-day-awesome-gif-17242138

[novel geyser]

Hll mcdonalds happy meal toy of a german soldier that falls to pieces when you press the button on his back with game accurate buggy gibbing

[finite berry]

Who

[noble stone]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-moment-bruh-ted-lasso-crying-gif-21885881

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-15797477720236293101

[noble stone]

“You got HLL McDonald’s money”

[wind shore]

[pine ember]

Most likely

[cosmic pilot]

You're distracting from the point that spaa are dual purpose anti infantry and would be cool af

[finite berry]

Had to laugh

[cosmic pilot]

And if you really wanted, shooting down commander ability airplanes would be trivial to add

[finite berry]

Yes. In other words, no real necessity

[pine ember]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-logo-commercial-fast-food-gif-16339059310488405672

[cosmic pilot]

It's a game, nothing about it is necessary

[wind shore]

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[finite berry]

Of course there are things that are (un)necessary

[wind shore]

So it might be new announce of new map / tanks

[cosmic pilot]

Like you are to this server?

[pine ember]

Its announce of reworks, Finnish and subfactions

[pine ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165369525231947946/1357469841790865510/tenor.gif

[humble perch]

So, what are the devs cooking?

[winter rover]

Remove finnish from there 🤮

[pine ember]

McDonalds

[wind shore]

Yeah! That is great BOOOST for the GAME! Great job! hell let loose has a lot of things to show!

[pine ember]

No, I dont think I will

[wind shore]

Realistic graphics / new updates!

[winter rover]

Finnish won't work in this game

[wind shore]

Its trump cards was hidden.

[pine ember]

They would

[wind shore]

They doing very good step in that

[pine ember]

I doubt that

[wind shore]

It’s really nice idea to be honest, read their website

[pine ember]

HLL2 is announced

[wind shore]

No it is a good idea

[pine ember]

Thats false

[winter rover]

🤣

[finite berry]

Yes

[pine ember]

🤡

[wind shore]

They got 40 millions views on one video - this project

[winter rover]

No Finnish tanks

[pine ember]

So what

[winter rover]

And most use bolt action rifles

[pine ember]

Infantry only maps would be cool

[pine ember]

So do the Soviets

[humble perch]

A sequel to HLL would be better as it will be far more stable and better made than the game we have now.

[winter rover]

Not when nearly everyone using bolt actions

[pine ember]

Yep

[viscid socket]

Let's hope it's not like the PC Gaming Show

[winter rover]

It's going to die out quickly

[wind shore]

https://www.youtube.com/live/wlAid70nvME?si=Co_nMBY9xmYQgTa5

[winter rover]

And what popularity does Finnish have to offer? It ain't a Battle of Berlin

I would rather have another Stalingrad map winter variant instead

[wind shore]

It says that they earn 40kk views for 1 video

[winter rover]

(different area though)

[wind shore]

On their website

[finite berry]

Virgin automatic weapon vs the gigachad bolt-action rifle

[winter rover]

That makes it worse LOL

= everyone gonna be using bolt actions

[finite berry]

Skill issue

[winter rover]

= won't be popular

[wind shore]

Better to use bolts

[pine ember]

Not every f ing game needs to have that

[winter rover]

That's why squad 44 has a low player count, most use bolt actions in that game

[pine ember]

If you don’t like em, don’t play this game

[finite berry]

That's definitely not the reason

[winter rover]

Oh buddy it's definitly a large factor

[finite berry]

Furthermore it's wrong

[pine ember]

Nope

[finite berry]

No

[pine ember]

Play BF then

[winter rover]

Reason why I don't play Germans, always stuck with that kar98k while getting outgunned by the americans

[finite berry]

Don't project your skill issue onto others

[pine ember]

That’s false

[wind shore]

Kar98k has weird cool down

[nova pivot]

☝️

[pine ember]

Just use it properly and maybe get rid of your skill issue

[nova pivot]

False

[winter rover]

Finnish will loose its popularity fast

[pine ember]

Germans are the best faction

[nova pivot]

Kar is one of the best weapons in the game

[pine ember]

Nope

[finite berry]

Skill issue when you only need one bullet to kill

[winter rover]

Most people want their semis and MGs in this game

[pine ember]

Virgin M1 vs Chad Kar98

[pine ember]

This isn’t BFV

[winter rover]

But need a semi to suppress 😉

[winter rover]

This is HLL and it's very easy to get your hands on a semi-auto and SMG

[nova pivot]

Exactly, that's a problem

[wind shore]

Or maybe play the G43, Stg44 or Mp40?

[finite berry]

That's what the MG is for

[winter rover]

G43 is for radiomen only, STG is for squad leaders, MP40 is like a gamble, hoping someone isn't using the class

[pine ember]

Sadly yes

[wind shore]

I got special role lol look at my profile I have role “zapped” ⚡️

[pine ember]

Just play BFV

[wind shore]

Bruh what?

what r u talking about

[finite berry]

Squad 44

[winter rover]

Why would I? I have HLL that gives me a G43, MP40, STG and MG42 easily

[wind shore]

oh i see, thank you brother

[winter rover]

I was talking about Squad 44

Sorry for the confusion

[wind shore]

I'm sorry bro🫡

[pine ember]

Ok I can see you are fairly new to this game

[winter rover]

I'm not, have nearly 400 hours

Rifleman - already have my G43 so not touching the kar ever again

[finite berry]

Skill issue

[winter rover]

pretty much when I play Germans, im guaranteed to have a non-bolt action rifle

Oh, I wanna use my STG? Np, create squad, when someone joins, leave and rejoin and bam, all weapons available lmfao

[pine ember]

Skill issues…

[wind shore]

I play only Japanese

[finite berry]

Which is exactly why this game will never get early war battles

[winter rover]

exactly

So people don't bother mentioning finnish

[finite berry]

Scummy tactic one should get banned for

[winter rover]

Another Stalingrad map and a Berlin map would be the best choice

[leaden patrol]

For bolts, I definitely prefer the Mosin over the Kar. It's not even close for me.

[winter rover]

Never been banned yet, nor been warned

[winter rover]

kar98k is way better lmao

[leaden patrol]

I can't stand it

[winter rover]

I hate mosins

[finite berry]

F u ck Berlin in HLL and irl

[winter rover]

Shot one irl, the bolt action is so sh*t and rough

[wind shore]

Disagree about Berlin

[cosmic pilot]

This place would become extremely uninteresting if I weren't here to gate keep it

[leaden patrol]

The sights for the Kar 98 throw me off. It's too far back for my liking.

[wind shore]

We don’t need it at least

[winter rover]

Can't do that in Squad44 because then people get angry and I get kicked from the squad lmao

[cosmic pilot]

Someone has to water the 🪴

[forest lintel]

is there an alternative to Bob the Builder servers? I just want to unlock the shotgun and i am NOT paying 17 bucks for their patreon

[winter rover]

So blame HLL's game design

[topaz lodge]

why in hll russian use a nagant revolver and not the tokarev tt33??

[wind shore]

They have T33

[topaz lodge]

not all

[winter rover]

Would be more popular than Finnish lmao

[topaz lodge]

infantry use it

[worthy charm]

*soviets

[topaz lodge]

russian

[winter rover]

who cares

[topaz lodge]

are same

[wind shore]

Nagant was used also

Same for m1891

[topaz lodge]

they should give you the choice

[winter rover]

For me soviets and Russians are the same

[worthy charm]

One of the two nations is slightly bigger.🤓

[wind shore]

It’s soviets.

[forest lintel]

how the hell can you call someone from central asia a "russian"? Soviets weren't all white slavs

[wind shore]

It’s big difference, in WW1 it was Russian empire which was better than Soviets. In progress, and in other things.

[winter rover]

What?

[wind shore]

Soviet’s it was low produced war equipment and technologies.

[forest lintel]

what i mean is that saying "soviet and russian are the same" doesn't make any sense

[winter rover]

oh man and so many people have been asking for pacific in HLL

they haven't realised japanese used mainly bolt actions ☠️

[pine ember]

Finns used many automatics though

[pine ember]

Stalingrad was also mainly fought with bolt actions…

[winter rover]

I mean, I would call a Soviet a russian, just not the other way around

[winter rover]

I know, but the way HLL made it 😎

[wind shore]

It was different nationalities in Soviet army.

[pine ember]

Is inaccurate and should be fixed

[winter rover]

And the game will look a lot of players

[pine ember]

Nope

[wind shore]

No

Soviets had MG squads , Germans used MP40 and MG34

[pine ember]

Dude, in 1942 the Germans mainly used the Kar98

[winter rover]

Ukrainians, Belarusians, Transcaucasians, etc all fall under Russian to me

[pine ember]

MP40s were pretty uncommon

[pine ember]

Just screams uneducated

[winter rover]

And in 1945, big whoop lol

But in HLL you can easily make them have many SMGs and give them a bunch of STGs

Which is reason why I play the germans

[pine ember]

Berlin won’t come to the game in the near future

[pine ember]

Sadly

[winter rover]

Do what Squad 44 did and you'll lose like 30% of the playerbase

[pine ember]

Nope

It hasn’t be that drastic, but things should be fixed

[winter rover]

You would be surprised of how many casual people play this

[wind shore]

Ok, but Soviets had PPSH, and MG squads in stalingrad

[winter rover]

Including myself

[pine ember]

Even there they used mostly Mosins

[pine ember]

I don’t think so

[pine ember]

BFV would be better for you I think

[wind shore]

You are wrong, watch about stalingrad battle and soviets had MG squads, which worked together with snipers

It was small squads like 2-3 people

[winter rover]

Why isn't the WW1 series (verdun, etc) more popular? Beyond the Wire? Squad 44? Because you're 8/10 stuck with bolt actions. It's also why Squad has a lot of players, not only because it's modern but you have an assult rifle from the start

[leaden patrol]

Maturing is realizing the SVT is an S-tier weapon

[winter rover]

Why are the French 1944 maps played most in HLL? Because it's Americans vs Germans, and you can easily get your hands on a semi or smg

(Might be subjective but from my experience carentan, Elise, and the other 1944 french map are most played)

[wind shore]

https://youtu.be/2atpewMMTVY?si=Ag58vTfINr1c1AXw

[winter rover]

He doesn't even list his sources

Better to watch TIK history and his stalingrad series

[winter rover]

No it's too fast for me

[leaden patrol]

Because they're objectively the best maps

[wind shore]

It could be custom squads for stalingrad with mg and sniper

[winter rover]

HLL is in the sweet spot, perfect inbetween

Not too realistic and not too casual

[pine ember]

That is true, but the normal infantry used Mosins

[pine ember]

I never said give all Germans an automatic. But it shouldn’t be as much as we currently have now

And you can be pretty effective with the Kar, you just have a skill issue I think

[pine ember]

I prefer the G43

[winter rover]

I agree, but the devs aren't going to change that because they know their playerbase

[pine ember]

Sadly the playerbase has changed

[leaden patrol]

Also an S-tier weapon.

[winter rover]

Doesn't change the fact that you will always be outgunned by an american with a garand

[pine ember]

Back in my days people would have demanded less autos for sure

[pine ember]

No, not always

M1 is overrated

[winter rover]

Not in HLL

[pine ember]

Just stay at range and put accurate shots to your target

[pine ember]

Also in HLL

[winter rover]

massive unrealistic sight with a clear picture and easy to spam shoot while being able to see where you're shooting is pretty op

[pine ember]

It’s not that good

[winter rover]

What's not good about it lol

[leaden patrol]

Agreed

[winter rover]

Yeah in Squad 44 it's harder because of the tiny gunsight

And half the time I don't know what I'm shooting at especially when im firing quickly because of the sight and muzzle smoke

Not a case in HLL

[pine ember]

It has a worse recoil pattern than the Kar98

I perform better with the Kar98 always

[winter rover]

and funny enough, I prefer the kar in Squad44 over the Garand

[winter rover]

Yeah probably because you change up your playstyle to adapt to it without you even realising

[leaden patrol]

https://youtu.be/TD7NOnd7TMg?si=yj-7L96btLGNIysl

[pine ember]

I play this game as it’s intended- slow and using tactics. I barely just push in a point like I would in BFV

[winter rover]

Yeah til you enter a town and start clearing areas

I know for a fact you died many times due to msising your first shot 😂

[leaden patrol]

Shots torso and up are one hit kills with rifles up to 200 meters. I rather roll with the Garand where I get a much higher fire rate, and sights I prefer.

[winter rover]

Don't even lie about that

You're acting like the Garand is the m1 carbine 🤣

G43, Garand, and SVT are the best guns all around in the game

[pine ember]

Even there, I play slowly

[pine ember]

Not that often

Sometimes till I learned it

[cyan saddle]

Garand is objectively more potent than the Kar

[winter rover]

such a denier lol typical German

[pine ember]

And I prefer the sights and everything about the Kar98

[leaden patrol]

So are the vast majority of weapons lmaoooo

[cyan saddle]

I wouldn't go that far

[pine ember]

Ah, we getting like this now?

[winter rover]

Bro's too afraid to admit the garand is the better gun in HLL than the Kar

[pine ember]

<@&365680483276816385>

[pine ember]

Nope, I ain’t

[winter rover]

There's nothing bad about the garand in HLL

[pine ember]

Yep, but I prefer other guns

[winter rover]

The sightis clear as day, massive and easy to aim

[pine ember]

And the Kar isn’t that bad

[wind shore]

Mods won’t do anything, why you tagging mods?

[pine ember]

It’s not my problem that you are too incompetent to use it

[winter rover]

I know it's not bad, but the Garand is better

[wind shore]

If he thinks garand is better

[winter rover]

Garand including the other semis obviously

[pine ember]

It wasn’t about that

[pine ember]

Yea ok

But take that comment with the typical German back

[winter rover]

Like, why would I choose the Kar over the G43 🤣

[leaden patrol]

If it's semi-automatic it's immediately better than the Kar

[pine ember]

In some situations it’s better

[winter rover]

oh yeah ofc ofc 🤣

[pine ember]

But these casuals can’t understand that

[winter rover]

uh huh

[pine ember]

Ok, just go back to your mama and tell her about it, because I can’t listen to you anymore

[winter rover]

If they gave us the exact same garand model in Squad 44 as we do in HLL, im never touching that kar ever again

[wind shore]

About what?

[leaden patrol]

Better if I'm sitting on a hedgerow the whole game for sure

[pine ember]

Just look above…

[winter rover]

If you want to make it more fair, then make the sight more realistic

[pine ember]

US vs Germany is pretty balanced already

But they could remove a few MP40s and G43s

[cyan saddle]

Calm down a bit man, you're getting upset over very little right now. It's fine to agree to disagree.

[winter rover]

yeah because the Germans have an MG42 with a 50 round mag that magically holds 200 rounds in it

And you can fire the entire thing with perfect accuracy and no overheating

[wind shore]

Everybody seems are crying here

[finite berry]

Okay, but who cares

[pine ember]

Yea, but if he insults me, I will too. It’s that easy, and not my problem then

[wind shore]

And nobody would allow critics in his address

[leaden patrol]

Sure, I just wish they made the Tiger better.

[finite berry]

Yes, good thing they do, and if you did it on my server, I would personally kick you for it. And ban you if you did it again.

[winter rover]

How did I insult you???? 🤣

[finite berry]

The only one to blame for scummy tactics is the one committing them.

[pine ember]

Just look above kid

[wind shore]

🍿

[winter rover]

Yeah which is why I don't do that and play the game has it's intended to be

[cyan saddle]

I looked at it, didn't interpret it that way. Either way, in such cases, best to step away.

[winter rover]

For saying this? "such a denier lol typical German"
yeah because you're german and probably have biases towards German weapons 🤣

I'm part French, and I will have my biases towards French weapons lol

[finite berry]

The entire f u cking war was mainly fought with bolt-actions, minus the US and in some aspects the Soviets because of their huge stockpiles of SVT-40s and submachine guns

[finite berry]

Jokes on you, we still did in 1945.

[pine ember]

Nope, I don’t. I just prefer bolt actions. And leave that “🤣” away please

[leaden patrol]

I'm an American and actually prefer Soviet weapons

[pine ember]

Yes, that’s the point

[finite berry]

Not the reason why the games are not performing well.

[wind shore]

I’m Russian and literally prefer MP40 and Thomson’s

[winter rover]

Well, HLL offers this kind of playstyle so can you blame me? HLL is my goto casual game because it's slower than modern FPS games. If I am feel for that realism mood, actually playing with the squad, I'll either play Squad 44 and Squad

[finite berry]

Can't and won't argue against that because I don't know what's mostly being played in HLL.

[pine ember]

Anyways, WW2 was a war of bolt actions, people are lucky they got that many semi autos

[finite berry]

Only if you miss your first shot.

[finite berry]

Skill issue

[winter rover]

Yeah for the Germans and Russians lol

[finite berry]

Yes, because it has god-like iron sights

[cyan saddle]

Or if there's two people 😉

[pine ember]

For all nations except USA

[winter rover]

No I mean, my playstyle with the garand is much more different and conservative than it is in HLL

[leaden patrol]

If they turned the game into a bolt-action fest player count would drop

[pine ember]

Just look above…

I never said remove all of them

[winter rover]

Yes!

100% agreed

[pine ember]

I said some of them should be removed

[pine ember]

And that’s false

[winter rover]

Because you obviously have the adapt to it

[finite berry]

the good ending :)

[wind shore]

HLL2 ? Is coming? In telegrams

[winter rover]

So shush be glad I play Squad 44 properly 😁