G43 always better than Garand, they are the same but G43 has 10 rounds instead of Garand's 8.
STG44 best only in the <100m engagements, in the town as that is it's 1-hit-kill range while 30 roudns in magazine. +option to panic shooting with full auto and killing with 1 bullet under 100m...
...unless hitreg bugs/problems decide otherwise 😄 .
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awwww 
I would also say the G43 is the best
Best in the game, not irl
Irl Id say the StG is the best
I never had any weapon in my hands irl, so I can judge only their in-game performances 🙂 .
I'd give all those guns away, just to get an M712 ingame. Only me, nobody else 
Years of playing Day of Defeat have shaped me.
Weapon just for you heh? 😄
Ammo? 10 / 20 Bullet Clips.
Fire rate? 900-1000 shots / m
Day of defeat mentioned 🥳
Fair, so if we stay in the theory the StG44 was specifically designed with the fighting in WW2 in mind and was the basis for every modern rifle
A feature like this would be interesting - only 1 special available loadout with some rare weapon and obtainable only by killing the player who has it. And losing the access to it to the player that kills us. xD
what happends if you get admin-slain?
does the admin get the gun?
I feel like thats when the trail goes cold 
That's sort of a thing in a game called easy red 2
But it's bots that can spawn with rare loadouts sometimes a unique gun.
of there would have to be safeguards logic to handle special situations like that
and of course, a safeguard in case the player stops playing
yep, by randomly giving the loadout availability to random player maybe
new mechanic to keep players engaged: weapons have corruption and if you dont play them, they become unavailable 
I should apply at Ubisoft or ElectronicARts
sounds similar to The Circle's pain mode (kill enemy within each next x minute or so, otherwise you get kicked 😄 )
Garand and G43 are both apples in HLL
STG44 is an orange
oh I'd take the STG44 over either rifle any day.
My aim is dogshit, so having something that keeps firing after I missed the first 1-2 shots, is great.
Yea, I know they are different. But these three are often considered the best
what about the Soviet SVT? another apple heh
I love the StG too, but on long range it doesn’t do much damage
neither does missing 99% of your shots with a rifle, cause your aim is dogshit
me no aim, me old man, me go brrrt
It’s basically a less common more bouncy G43
yep, I tend to miss with it more than with G43 or Garand, because of the after-shot slower animation
My aim is ok, but that thing on Kursk or PHL…
I like it more than the Garand, but it’s much less available and I’m not that used to it
ah fair enough, if the map flips to Kursk or PHL, you dont need a STG44
You need ESC > leave server.
God I hate PHL 
Those maps are great - I take MG42 for those always. ~200 killAmounts here I come. At least the great potential is there for it.
Since the update PHL isn’t as bad as it once was
And Kursk, I love it
On those maps I don’t have a problem with the Kar either
PHL is still the worst map in the game
Show this man the door outta here! 🤬
😄
oh wait... window is open, you may use that too xD
Do you guys use the SMGs?
but yeah PHL got better with the maprefresh (not counding the low-dsitance rendering new assets they added however)
yeah why not, Grease gun the headshot maker
Because I dont like them except the MP40
but if I know that some comparable good players are on the enemy team and I am using an SMG, I know that I need to expect to die more to them than if I had a rifle
1-hit-kill rulez
with SMG one may get a hit, but not a kill if the enemy has the same fast reflexes and they run into each other
why some videos like this are capable of playing right in the dsicord one some others (like this very one) we need to download to play?
ah right, probably too large
300MB+? better to up it to youtube and not attach directly
escalation 😄
somebody must have build a garrison near the enemy point
Thompson and PPSH are able to shred, but only in short range
its like rattling a bag of treats near your pets.
ATTACK GARRI? 
watched... yep, stuff like this is however possible only if we are not fighting the other true good players
if any of those peeps would be good, the SMG user is dead to rifle before getting that 2nd hit to kill
nah, you are obviously good but they are not 😄
I myself would die too in that situation if I was fighting wit hSMG true high LVLs with semi-autos, there is a good chance for that always. Rifle > SMG
I dont wanna say Sam loves to throw shade, but hes also known as the Umbrella.
HA 
pre-lunch pun
Just curious... why would you call me Umbrella?
cause it throws a shade
could have also gone "tree", but umbrella was closer theme-wise
and what does it mean "throwing a shade" in this discussion?
I don't understand.
I reckon you are meaning it as a reference to something but I don't know the reference.
aaaah 😄
makes sense
And I was in for the pun 
but as I also said ☝️ , I would die too
Disrespecting wasn't my goal. If you took it that way, I apologise.
you can... with Grease gun at least
don't make me go over days/months of footage to look for the stuff 😄
😜
I'll try to get some when playing next time.
May not be soon though, leaving my PC tomorrow for the whole weekend.
Will try later today.
I have been looking forward to it actually, some break from the PC overall... 🙂
Quick Ben, we have to drop Mortars on Friday
Friday is not in the server xD
better drop them on DasAltberg 😃
Meanwhile we should make a push on the devs to fix this: #1400360218277314602
From my experience, the Thompson is much easier to control than the PPSH.
Yea, but it isn’t good at long distance either
But it is better at long distance than the ppsh
Better yes, but not good
thank you! i’ve asked for this before and no one knew.
best smg for distance is the sten or grease gun
the typewriter thompson is good too only bc of how much ammo you get.
Stalingrad should be the next update
And after Stalingrad comes announce of the new map
What?
Nah it's the MP 40
Has the best sights
I love me a Sten V sight
The gresegun is fine but the sights are horrible
I don't like because the flash of gunfire hides my target.
I get it, they’re thick and rounded which is odd.
So these mfers can use a font with SS in the name, but I can't do a S and S reaction?
Actually insane
Anyways, y'all still playing?
Tf is the point of doing that?
Obligations and being a seeding director.
omegalul
I just AFK it
You have a duty to be a seeder?
I don't think it would. It would just be the case that we'd have less servers
and how would those servers get populated?
Just jump on, like always
which is seeding
No it isn't
elaborate
Any players entering a server before it's full doesn't qualify seeding.
If you start out the population on a server I would call that seeding
That would be saying like, people back in 2007 playing cs 1.6 were "seeding" at 10/16 players on their dust_2, server because the rest of the boys weren't home yet
No, it's just simply a not populated server
Seeding is going under the logic of purely joining the server to artificially boost the number up w/o actively engaging in the game
until 50% capacity it’s seedjng
That's just an arbitrary logic that we use here
people seed active all the time, that’s what i do on occasion
which is no different then starting out one of those servers
Just like in Reforger rn. Sitting at like 40/128 doesn't mean we're seeding. We're playing 1:1 like we were if the server was full.
There's no separate rule sets, there's no rewards for doing it - nothing.
Arma is a different game there’s AI and base of operations
No, not everywhere
Battlefield players ain't seeding either. Nor' are counter strike community server players, cod players, tf2 players
In Arma are you trying to reach a higher player count to have a real game?
Sure some players in He’ll Let Loose might not be trying to seed, but if they jumpstart a population it’s still seeding
seeding is simply jumpstarting a population whether on purpose or not. That’s all there is to it
Seeding as a term for games has essentially only come from squad
Yeah. Probably
And I don't think that definition of seeding is correct at all. Any jumpstarting does not qualify seeding.
It’s a term that can be utilized anywhere.
If you plant a seed in your yard and it grows it’s a seed.
If a bird shits a seed in your yard and it grows it’s also a seed.
is there a LFG channel ?
ty
A more appropriate definition of seeding would be something like:
Participating in the population of a game server whilst operating under a limited or modified way to encourage more players to join.
So just joining a 20/128 (Arma's case) or a 40/100 player HLL server and playing doesn't qualify as seeding.
The usual sitting AFK in menu with the sole purpose of bringing the number up would qualify as seeding.
Playing under a set ruleset, like not capping certain bases/flags or attacking certain things would be seeding.
And doing these actions under the logic of being rewarded in some way (such as VIP in HLL or whatever) 100% qualifies as seeding.
I even know that old 1.6 servers to this day utilize various paid services where fake accounts join servers to seed them.
So if seeding were to disappear, it wouldn’t mean the game is dead, not at all.
It would just mean we’d see a major drop in quick buy, thrown together servers (due to hosting costs and modern licensing), and a shift toward more well known servers with longer queues.
Because if a server is popular enough, it doesn’t even need seeding. Servers like Circle in HLL and W.C.S in Reforger stay over 60% full 24/7 without fake AFK players in menus or sketchy paid services to fill them.
Okay, so we have different understandings or interpretations of what seeding means.
What I read is a paragraph of ways to maximize the facilitation of seeding, but not necessarily what seeding is.
I believe that seeding is simply the growth of a population on a server from a small player base to a larger or more full one.
I don’t want to argue about this all day so I’ll let you have your side, but I don’t necessarily think that it’s true and that’s fine, we all have our opinions.
And god damn this cencorship for a bloody gore game. Can't even write a few sentences w/o auto mod kicking in. Feels like a roblox server
I think we need to seed Minecraft servers
If seeding was just populating something, we would have every server explain it in a separate dc channel
And play more Minecraft
Not in this context.
This is a pure HLL channel, please keep it to HLL 🤓 ☝️
Otherwise you're gonna get warned for talking in here and making sure it's not dead
Dawg I whipped out my hardcover oxford dictionary and it only had the biology word. Mb mate.
ikr 💀
Anyway, seeding != populating, but more like populating**+** with the + standing for the set rules or differences in playstyle etc.
Why the heck would we hear about cloud seeding?
I ain’t IT.
oh like in uae
when they make the rain fall
by putting salt or something
That's like asking a guy working in a textile factory in Taiwan if he knows about C pointers.
I was thinking more like the digital cloud, but no I got you.
When's the next HLL update gonna ship?

Do I understand it correctly that the last major update really added like 2 meaningful things which were the bipod changes and medic config changes?
yeah they broke the bipods more
Ben said the 1st PTE for it will be in August. So we may assume September may be the month for the release.
October at the latest.
tf, I thought the bipod changes were super hyped and actually delivered???
I haven't played at all, so no clue, gimme the info
you don't play HLL? 😮
if you bipod prone you can’t turn on some surfaces
They made them better but still not amazing
Removed a lot of head glitches which is nice
yep it seems bipodding while prone has unfortunately stayed untocuched
I had 1 match in Jul 10th, but like a "serious" last played date would be something around December of 2024
wow
If an MG can shoot you, you can pretty much always shoot back now
if feels worse on a wall or fence per say
I would prefer them nerfed more though
I have known about you, but you don't even own it eeh. I was surprised with Solid as he does own it but doesn't play anymore.
I just want the faster sprint speed back 🥹
get aoutta here 🤬
😄
Ye, I checked. I played around Dec. 2024, then played wow pservers for a few months and then at the start of March I bought Reforger and have been more or less playing only that
Tried a match with a buddy I met via HLL, but it just got really boring. Same match on the same map, with the same rollout and same bozos on the team screwing me over in the same ways
Not at all, I just prefer some balance
T17: No, but here’s a new stamina system you guys never asked for
Games already too easy I just don’t enjoy how boring it is
Try Reforger
Played it
then maybe don't stack with your guys in the pub games on one team as a week or so ago 😄
“Don’t play with your friends”
Nice great suggestion
If you think Hell Let Loose is easy Reforger is not it.
was annoying fighting all of you while I was the only one on our team that was capable of providing at least resistance
yep, as I remember how you were spawncamping my OP from the ruin north of AA
and yet I got you 😄
Gentlemen’s rules, destroy OPs if possible, don’t camp them for kills
And we got your OP 😇 get good and stop trying to bait me child
but it was not just you, you had another good shots in the team back then
Depends who’s on it for me
one of another yours was Wolfie or something like that
Like in events if I know it’s my clan mates im camping that OP until they join my VC to yell at me
Okay, if you know them that’s fair
big heroes with a load of good shots on your back, I can do that too 🙂
try it the other way around when yo uare gettign hammered down from all sides because of the imbalance
Why would I fight you fair when I can kill you with no effort
This is an fps I’m not trying to fight you fair 😂😂😂
Issue with all clan servers and even leaking into other servers is the constant team stacking
Welp, if there's nothing to see in HLL, I'll be back when there's something new or just to post a image in the chat when it's absolutely dead for 4 hours only to receive a warning for it.
true, why should I expect sportsman behavior from comp players?
Not really an issue on most of them
You play the occasional 6 man but not too often
Glow’s East is bad
Glows is bad we know this
G&W is aight
For US servers I’d say pathfinders and SYN are good
Path is good
I don’t play G&W
Never played SYN bc i still don’t trust
Why would I expect brain cells from you 🤓
GOF still taunts me to this day
now that's not nice anymore mate
Don’t start what you can’t take child
GOF was next level degen
I could spawncamp random peeps on their OPs too, it just feels wrong.
I could put effort into playing you but I was told not to bully disabled people
I am quite sure this goes against some basic rules here mate.
Because it is, it’s inauthentically increasing your kill count.
Okay?
Meh it depends, I tend to wait for a wave so I can time my run to it, or if I’m too far to make the run I’ll hold it until someone can take it
Get rid of OPs and let us just spawn on SLs
Like if it’s a 50 second run to a Garry, you’re not gonna make it
I could put effort into playing you but I was told not to bully disabled people
I expected WTH players to be more mature than this, my guy.
Yeah I get camping it to take it out, but not for the only reason of killing players off it.
You started the baiting don’t start crying now
Your tone and need to act smarter than everyone else every day in this disc is frankly pathetic
I didn't start behaving like you have.
Reminding me a little of GOF, but they were much much worse and would be open about it
if i destroy the OP those <7 players will move someplace else where i cant deal with them
Aaaah, so there's the reason. It's personal for you then. Not a reason to be polite?
Yeah, that’s the way it should be
I don’t have the patience to be polite to those who can’t be polite to others
It’s called gentlemen’s for a reason
The thing with “spawn camping” is a lot of people think they’re being spawn camped when most of the time someone literally just can’t get to them
The most open angle of your OP is gonna be 150m behind you
Says the one who started calling somebody disabled just because he doesn't like him.
i dont camp OPs or garris, airheads sometimes for the giggles, but there is a valid reason to camp spawns. wouldnt need to if the map was narrow or open...
Womp womp
I see quality of WTH people went down if you represent it like this without regret.
You can think whatever of me, just keep it civil.
I’ve known people to leave OPs they know they can nade or get just to camp kills off of it, if you can’t get to it that’s fine.
it’s just the nature of gentlemen’s
and btw this only counts for pubs, if you’re in a comp match camping is a valid strat to prevent them from being somewhere else
I am not in the business of sitting here and letting you attempt to be patronising and demeaning to me or any others, you’re pathetic in the way you act and your tone is incredibly disrespectful to anyone you even slightly disagree with, if you don’t want to interact with me block me but when you start insulting me don’t expect me to sit and take it.
Now go back to your hole
This is where rockets are great
Wow, what a post... full of warmhearting words and respect to be sure 😄 .
I didn't call you any names... unlike you did call me.
You seem to think too much of yourself.
No I’m having fun now
He’s baiting you btw
he just doesnt like you yet
Then maybe you could move it to DMs because nobody else is interested in 1v1 quarrel.
oo they’re taking it to the other room, shits boutta get down
Okay, anyways. How are we this morning/evening?
So go away and stop being so irritating to everyone you interact with
Nice opinion, I am not taking it away from you.
Nah bro Xdd
Nice. What’s on the menu for today?
made myself some bananas in chocolite
https://www.toprecepty.cz/fotky/recepty/0068/bananove-jednohubky-v-cokolade-162178-677-508-nw.jpg
...after eating some beef jerky
Okay, that all sounds good.
I went to the deli got some cold cuts and making myself half a roast beef sandwich with all the goods on a ciabatta.
Lunch break? It's breakfast time! (/usa)
Have the clan bros stopped shouting at eachother
Clan.bros trying not to cheat (they will lose if they don't cheat)
Wow such strong words, I’m on the edge of my seat 🍿🥤😦
That’s a knee slapper
Trying to argue with Sam is like asking to get punched in the face and thrown off a cliff
Thx my guy
Chat, I'm bored
I just wish there was a better way to get lots and lots of people to see it 😅
No your next to nothing
Link
Oh
It’s fine bf6 will save us
@fluid pawn Please
The GOAT ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I love you @pine ember
In a not gay way, in a masculine admiration way
I love you too
You think so?
I mean if you love me in another way 😏
I don't have any problems on changing my mind
Wait what
🤷
I aint gay either
Ehhh
you switching to that game or you saying it’ll take all the non-communicators out?
Flawed argument.
The player numbers always go down in the summer.
For reasons I hope are obvious
players numbers have never gone down this far in the summer before. we are at the lowest the game has seen since the end of playtesting. which is not healthy for any game that is still in major development. It should be a clear sign something needs to be changed and done.
We have at peak more players, so there's more players to lose.
Smaller QOL improvements and new guns.
Iron sights Springfield and a Rifle Grenade kit for all factions.
I'm just trying to tell you your data doesn't strongly prove your argument
I know what will bring players back 
I havent played a single game of public since April.
I play comp only these days matches are structured people use mics.
Contemplating whether or not to get this game
Most of my clan only play comp on tuesdays, thursdays & sundays. We have like 5 people who hop on most nights to play public and thats it
Wouldnt recommend the full price. If you wait a little they will probably do another sale again for the 50th time this year
well i think if i go looking for more numbers I'm going to find exactly the right information to prove the point further
It’s a good game, but I’d hold off buying until the fall.
And you get to see what content is coming
wow mysterious ping
my message got deleted, but it involved physics of a certain body part bringing people back
oh...
I was gonna say pacific but... I guess that too.................
oh
Pacific never they want to rework maps the community hate
thats kinda same with me, theres just no new motivation
I agree pacific never
£47 for a game that came out in 2021 with lack of thought from the devs
Theyve only just allowed server admins to change time/length of games 🤣🤣
an even when there is, its just not enough in the form of maps
Mod support would give the game some extra life, but look on the bright side lets hope 83 is a good game to go to
im aqfraid it may be there only option at this point
I honestly think ‘83 might be another Beyond the Wire situation with other games covering the same theater that seem better. But I’m hoping not.
If your a new player or just a casual player looking for regular games id defo recomend joining one of the many communities to take part in the orginised events 110% better than any public games.
If only my schedule worked with them, but my weekends are booked.
Tuesdays you have SLB 19:30 UK time that's a good event. You dont even need a full team you can bring your own squad of 6 and sign up for it or join a bigger team
Thursdays there is greyhound nights same time
SLBs are too early.. for me an American.
I’m just stuck with nothing that works for me.
Is there no American type slb events?
Haven’t been looking into it.
The Comp schedule is the antithesis of my usual schedule
I’ll probably play that and then just matches on HLL Sundays
And Friday night fights is the NA event
Those are fun but I wouldn’t say structured
Hopefully BF6 pulls through and gives us dedicated hosts like the old ones
maybe
i just wish there was another game like this 🙁
ill just go play reforger haha
Squad
😬
just gotta wait in the 100 person queue instead of populating/seeding a server with those same people
i cant with that game
ICO killed it for me
the map menu killed it for me when i first played lol
Being a boring tedious game killed it for me
Not having a pc killed it for me
WOO! Just reached career level 100
Real
Rts games are probably closer
red orchestra? (Haven’t played personally)
Squad is the only game where you literally won’t see anyone and still people get hyped about how well your squad did
RO is way more arcade
I want to get into that game (squad), looks dope. Just waiting on controller support still
Played this game on controller before support, but that one I just can’t do
Squad sucks
Damn
Sleep simulator
Not any good modern shooters out there to be honest
Hopefully battlefield will be good, apart from that ARMA has its moments
A good arma op is actually very fun, but just hopping on a random server is meh
Let’s hope so, this will be the first battlefield I dive into if so. And Arma seems to be at the top right now
Seems promising, loving the grounded look
Didn’t they just get an engine upgrade?
I beg to differ. Ue4 to ue5 is a huge jump. Might be worth a shot looking at it again
If that was the only thing holding you back
Squad confuses realism with incompetence and that’s why it sucks.
You’re not gonna lose all motor functions the moment someone shoots at you and it doesn’t take a year to reload a rifle
My hero
Guess they haven’t yet, but when time comes I’d expect a huge overhaul at least graphically
I like squad. Its fun. Tow missile go weeeee
Imo i think people have a hard time with it because its a bit sweaty meta
You ever ran around a full day with a plate carrier and steel magazines?
Yes, you?
Not for real
Yeah you don’t turn into a Parkinson’s victim
Aye same
Now if you could change your loadout and make it lighter or heavier and that affects it, then I see it
I do wish it was a bit faster with movement and reloads. But i like the actual game mechanics and game pacing
Each to their own. ATGMs go weeeeee
Don’t waste your time
Lets not do advertisements here 😅
Its already bad enough we have elise on here, doing it like 3 times a day
Try and enjoy bro, but Hell Let Loose better, trust.
I prefer realism
all in your playstyle
You are free to compare games, but not straight up advertise like that lol
I prefer the Panzerwerfer 42
Enlist
A video game can be more realistic than another
and I prefer the more realistic one
Squad might lean more towards realism, but the community ruins it for me
I prefer your mom
jesus
HLL is like BF1/V hardcore, infinite sprint, no weapon sway, perfect gun accuracy, etc
Banned
Ahhhh, what a nice messeage you got there, would be a shame if something happens to it...
damn look at us just pounce
BF also has infinite sprint no?
But what about Hyrum’s OF!
Yeah hence why I said it's like BF hardcore
Oh like that
Only main difference is the run speed
...at least in BF you can zero in your weapons
No after sprinting, your aim will be steady
That's what I meant
Even Hyrum has to follow rule 8.
HLL you can run across the map and still have steady perfect aim
Why the fish? 😭
Idk
also.... S44 has the pacific 😄
I just clicked the first thing I thought of
can't wait to try it out
I’m hungry
they even added a Churchill Crocodile flamethrower tank XD
I actually want that for driel lol
flawed argument, the playerNumbers of HLL are lowest in 4 last years
sry late for the party
As that one guy always said
what you expect, nothing big has ever come to HLL in the past couple years
That’s a lot of damage
yup
Map, skins, map, skins, map, skins
Yeah
☝️
pretty cheap
Tiny patch
we'll see where these overhauls lead
slight code change
For tanks, they're probably just gonna change the tank speed for each tank and other minor adjustments and call it an overhaul
because a large one would blow the game up
If they added a whole new faction + with two or three new maps in an update, player count will shoot up
Realistic interiors and damage models would be fire 🔥
Sadly they don’t have enough dev support for that, hence why modding needs to be a thing
or there extremely lazy
I’m not sure anymore
Brother, where.
Prank him John @worthy charm
there are sites where you can check where, you are not a newbie so I leave the data collection up to you
And oh look at that, there goes the player count 🤣
imagine they just dropped a trailer for an Italian front
- featuring sicily, monte cassino, and Anzio
- introduction of an italian faction, Polish and Canadian subfactions
...all coming in the next update 👀
battlemetrics - there are all PC servers and all players regardless of where they are coming from, are accounted for
Not true
Only servers that are subscribed to its RCON service
so far I have seen all of them there
pretty much
https://mattw.io/hll-server-browser/ shows all
Web server browser for Hell Let Loose. Quickly connect to any server. Continually refreshes roughly every 15 seconds.
I can check and compare with the in-game server browser but I believe BM shows them all too, even if some don't have the rcon setup for them there
Im not sure but I’ll send the graph I found in off topic
I’m not totally sure if there is one besides steam db
That's Steam only
honestly forgot this site existed
the question is... PC only or consoles included?
I assume PC only
I would be interested to see the epic games one
Massive spike and then a bomb probably
in any case, in July 2021 (month of HLL releasing out of EA) we had 3600+ players on Steam alone. Today, we have 4100 but all clients combined. The numbers are just going down.
PC only
HLL lost 500+ players during just past 30 days on Steam alone
That happens every summer
But never this far
last summer we had 1000 more
as the one before, roughly
You shouldnt compare less than a month old steamdb data with older data
but it shows clear downtrend
even the months outside the summer this year, HLL has been losing the players even after the EPIC sale settled down
I think the odds of a large rebound are slimming immensely too
Older data is a lot less precise and because it takes the peak over a longer period, it always paints a prettier picture
Playercount has remained pretty consistent over the last years
I don't think that's true... 🤔
That's what they say every summer
This doesn’t look consistent
I am not looking at peaks
I am looking at avg counts and they are not consistent either
The summer curve is beginning to curve down 😅
the fluctuations are just... beyond consistent
I think he’ll let loose still has a good chance
no doom coming, not any time soon
The just need to fix some things
eeeh.... yep 😄
…
some higher number of critical things
We need the devs to realize “oh hey, the game is beginning to lose popularity, maybe we need to change something to make sure we are growing and making money”
Tbh… no I don’t think they do 🤣
And if they do, they should be trying to make a change
One person is not a department
There teams not that big 😅
Mb I responded to the wrong statement, I think you get the point
yep, they could turn the longterm downtrend around any time if they wanted to
...if they are capable of, to
@analog apex , I'm going to shift the goal post.
Afawk, steam players only make up a fraction of the playerbase now, so even if we were to consider a proportional drop on all platforms, it'd be higher than 4 years ago
Even building better hype for things that are coming might help them out in a way
Easter eggs
Like… anything of that matter
1st, they would need to get rid of the stutters. Then probably upgrade to at least newest UE4 to get the DLSS support in (or vice versa). And ofc... overhauls and additions to the systems.
The pinnacle would be modding support.
still more than 50% #mess-hall message
I wouldn't dare to call that a fraction at all
yep, but do you rly. think there will be less of them in the evening? 🤔
Ummm ok?
I wish we could see EPIC HLL numbers alone, I would love to see how much of the free sale players have remained
I have a feeling that’s still going to be biased though and only pointing out the pluses, no matter the numbers.
also that’s the company that owns t17 not t17
we can easily check more days and make an average
if we check every day
not that hard even
and I am interested in it too
@analog apex the burden of proof is on you to prove the players won't comeback
why the heck on me? 😄
The lack of new content I think is plenty
Now, anecdotally, I concur, that the interest in the game is lower than usual.
But your data doesn't prove that strongly
which is the only thing I have been trying to point out - no doomsday scenarios
People won’t come back, without new content, they get bored
Someone who has 8k hours time to play Hll, also has time for this.
-# /s
or some mod for example... 😄
This report is coming from a huge company that’s only looking at the game from a moneymaking standpoint, there is also, no report from this year
That would assume Im actually doing something and not just waiting until abu or polarbearr does the work.... 
xD
at-least not that I saw, correct me if I’m wrong
which would make one wonder why they didn't make me a mod when I applied for it back in the past 😜
but then again, if they would have made me one, I would need to restrain myself... now i am free 😄
Im kidding, but no clue how the mods got choosen, if I knew that I would a bit smarter than now.
To be fair tho, currently im unemployed...
It was mentioned to me that I could have, however it didn't work with me doing bumps for my community so
Well we are talking about player count and the low we are experiencing this year (or more with these few months) , there was no major downtrend last year. So we will have to wait for there next report
But now I'm employed and retired from this game
I assumed you were talking about Team 17 in particular, not the company that owns them, my apologies
Do we have a clue if hll has paid for it's buying price yet from bm?
Guy in the back be like: 
It is formally recognized as T-17, they own multiple companies now and rebranded as Everplay (atleast from what I’m reading) Team 17 is now a smaller company within this company’s brand
As in “why would you Everplay HLL?”
Lmaooooo
T minus 17 seconds before I quit this match cause it’s so bad lmaooooo
Everplay owns T17, astragon, and storytoys
btw., are you still playing HLL at least sometimes? I am just curious.
The last time I booted up was about a month ago, after already having taken several months off it. Didn’t get through one full game of an Elsenborn match before uninstalling
Weak
we can't be surprised though... no matter who it is about
HLL's been just... HLL xD
I hadn’t uninstalled since it came to steam, but now it’ll stay that way indefinitely
End of an era
I might uninstall it for space pretty soon here
I just have too many games that are more worth my time and update regularly with new content 😅
when the last DLC for KCD2 comes out, I will be playing that so will leave HLL for a while again too
also waiting when Gothic Remake release date will be...
I might switch to S44
and despite I don't usually look for such games, I got interested in Atomic Heart II and The Cube from the same studio - it just looks too original to be missed.
Its closer to the HLL I love and know than current HLL
Our server currently is installing the final massive hotfix the devs managed to squeeze in 30 minutes before the free weekend starts 😉
So, as soon as that's done, come join us ❤️
Yea, I have an exam tomorrow, but I will join this weekend
hll should be like squad 44
what exam?
Hope there is something interesting like Crete
Absolutely not
dead? 😄 xD
(just a joke)
Law...
i mean the squad system
good luck then man! seriously 🙂
Wishing you luck! 🫂
Dude, I thought the same xDDD
Yes and no. Subfactions in this game would be cool, but other things S44 has dont really fit into HLL. HLL should be different than its competitor. But yea, my main problem with HLL rn is that its becoming more and more casual, and there is a reason why I picked this game up and not BF
@analog apex @finite berry Thanks guys!!
Lets wait if I drop out XDD
Tbh as much as I didn’t like my first play through, it doesn’t seem that bad anymore
The new Conquest mode is perfect for newbies and to get used to the gunplay
Yes, its hard, but you get used to it
Imagine Battlefield's Conquest but with Squad 44's gunplay, sound effects and gun visuals
I started my FPS career in HLL, so I first had to get used to BFs gunplay
My first fps game was bf1
But back in 2020 HLL was very different, I miss that time
😅
Just leave it mostly as it was back then and add new maps and factions, that would be the best
BF1 is also a very good game
Because the last battfield were Sht?
Fact
Honestly I dont think BFV is that bad gameplay wise
team 18 said in one of their videos the next update could get new vehicles and a new eastern map
😂
Mine plants Vs zombies garden warfare
i play it since 2021
Based
sorry
My first actual shooter was Uncharted III, I think lol
After that Aliens vs Predator 2010, Doom 2016 and Unreal Tournament GOTY
But I prefer HLL since its more realistic (good for a history buff like me) and it has (or had) certain teamplay elements and a few more hardcore elements that once also were in BF but arent anymore since that series also got so casual. HLL is the perfect mix for me between accessable but also accurate and more hardcore with more debt to it than BF
my first game was Star Wars JK2 Jedi Outcast and my 1st MP shooter was Hidden and Dangerous 2
we need the racketenwerfer
Which one?
It's Raketenwerfer
sorry i mean nebelwerfer
You're butchering my beautiful language :D
Akzeptiert ❤️
Its Rindfleischetikettierungsübertragungsaufgabenüberwachungsgesetz
wtf is that xD
A law
One of the longest German words in existence
Cattle marking and beef labeling supervision duties delegation law
can't even read that on 1st attempt... nor 2nd heh
That was my first game ever
I think we need a spin-off game. Call it Plants vs. N@zis.
Based ❤️
We just need the Pacific
dont make fun about nazie they didnt died in war for making jokes about them
yes
They didnt?
was meinst du
Wasn’t a joke. That was very serious. I would 100% play a game about plants vs. the historically bad guy all throughout history.
Also there is a difference between N@zis and German soldiers in WW2. Not every N@zi was a soldier, and not every soldier was a N@zi
i know
they werent bad
Ah ok
not all
We are now on that arc again
i dont talk about that better i dont want to get banned
why
🐦
Okay, fine. If everyone is the good guy in their own mind just make it plants vs. the world.
Because bird
Because it's cute and less controversial than your topic
Now I have the "the world" from Yakko's World stuck in my head, thanks
its just a wellensitich
great song, i have no regrets
Yeah, although I can't take it serious anymore due to all the memes
Bros a Nazi damn
…
Hans, get ze panzerfaust
@oak current
that birb is stupidly cute, I need it
wait so i how do i get unbanned from the in game server then?
if theres no discord
yeah im cooked ig
Just unlock your stuff the normal way
Its also a better feeling then when you finally have it
yeah ur right
And no, lvl9 assault isnt worth it
Extremely false.
Currently grinding for the stg for assault class
Are you forgetting someone
theres many more
It is for the German class.
I prefer the lvl6 loadout
Bro nerfs himself
He's so good he has to nerf himself
Otherwise HLL would implode
grenadier is pretty good its just a mobile airstrike
G43 is better than the StG
I prefer having more smoke and frag grenades
And in most scenarios I barely get to use the satchel
If I need it I switch, but then switch back after the job is done
i like to take my bootiful stg whenever its available
Hot take
The stg it's my little precious baby
smoldering take
exactly, "op, precious, needs to be nerfed because its too good but that's just life" sturmgewehr-44
If you say so
It has better damage values
Actually the AT boys it's better because has better damage values than the both weapons we were talking about
That’s true
ℹ️** Nvidia Game Ready Driver 580.88 WHQL Released**ℹ️
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/results/
This mfer 3 messages above advertises a whole different game in mess hall, but I get a warning for posting a single gameplay screenshot of Reforger.
Biased as f
Biased or based??????
He’s not a gamer
it's not bad but im just too tired playing the same maps over and over
I mean, that's up to the servers and sometimes the voting. There are 18 maps.
And 1 map is upcoming
And at all it would be maybe 2 maps next year and at all - 22 maps
18+1+2=21
I have over 500 hours and at least 80% of that time was spent on 3 maps
im sure you know which maps xD
I've got almost 1000 hours. I usually get a good variety.
I never playing remagen day, I love remagen night
And I feel like fish in the water
Cause I definitely know that’s the good camping map
And I love this night vibe on this map
I most recently played on Kursk, Stalingrad, and something else.
It depends on the server, the most sweaty ones only have like 6-7 maps on rotation
This is amazing
Goated maps
They said Berlin would be like the final map... soooo no lol
So I meant would be no final maps
Imagine they announcing Berlin map and after new maps
The idea of developing maps chronologically was discarded long ago.
We need new tanks
Take a shot every time Kedo says "We need"
playing squad 44 right now, the invasion of france 1940
such a nice breath of fresh air
Such underrated maps
Stonne is so good
I want to play the Chapter Mercury ones but no server plays them.
Which one do you play, the one next to the river with the ruined city or the very hilly and foresty one? 😄
Would be way too op
It's not OP
If it was added to HLL
Because pinging gives you the exact range
In S44 it's more balanced because you have to estimate it
It requires excellent knowledge about positioning and also works best with a voluntary spotter calling corrections
@novel mantle
Those are not well liked, sadly, and also are somewhat prone to poor performance
look at the map and you can get the exact distance, just takes a second longer
idk we were defending the first point, mostly fields
It's not as easy, believe me
with a town in the middle and river
I just like using that single shot rifle
Yep, that's Dinant
HLL gives you exact range
SAME
The Gras is so bad that I love it
It’s honestly hilarious to play with
this is an actual ptsd simulator
i was playing as the french defending while constant bombardment all around
insane
tbf, I study maps in a college course and a video game map is much easier to use than anything else
How many players in a lobby?
sound design for the explosions all around is way better than HLL imo
From practice, I can tell you that it's not as easy, believe me xD
In Squad 44?
No, in hell let loose, obviously in squad
I’ve only played Mortar in SQ44 (when it was Post Scriptum)
100
And how big are the maps?
yeah that map
they’re different sizes
In hell let loose it's so ridiculous
yeah way too slow but maps are much smaller so makes sense
It depends on a server and where it sets the cap. Most servers go with 100, our server today capped at 88 + 2 reserved slots for admins; less players compared to 100, but thus also the chance of better performance for everyone
Stationary or mobile one?
Ah, nice one
Depends. There are smaller ones like Best, there are gigantic ones like Driel
Pacific?
I’d be dead lol
anyone playing
what determines how long it takes to dismantle a garry?
As in an enemy garrison? If you're in their locked region, it takes longer to dismantle vs the current battle section.
Ohh, makes sense
every single server is full right now... does that mean i just cant play the game??? this is so frustrating
YOu should be able to find some 60-80 filled with decent ping.
theres around 400+ servers online. if each was full that would be 40000 players.
now THAT would be some juicy player numbers for a friday morning 
at that point, they should start paying mods
Altberg...
👀 eyyyy
Why are you awake it's fckg 3:08 AM
Working on something
Hmmmm🤔
we'll get a nice big check for mods at that point 
i wish...
Unlike others here you arent on the naughty list and I hope your wish may be granted.
Am I on the naughty list? 
Of course you are, right willes?

🫂
Naaah
How boring
Youre to nice, unlike others...
😴
Never bergy

ww2 online and ro2 are the best ww2 games
Rethymno is running right now
You have forgotten the goat of all goats
Cod waw
That is probably the only game I have ever played that I have not a single complaint about, literally everything is absolute cinema
My game isn't starting today. EAC is having a problem with some "Interception" program. Is this normal?
btw i resolved it rn. if this happens to you, search bar user, check for Oblita Interception on google.
There you go - I managed to play only on these parts of Carentan as other maps I played yesterday weren't much open enough for longer range kills, or there was no US faction available... but I believe this is enough 🙂. I was trying to stay in the open so there wouldn't be any bushcamping.
https://youtu.be/l5vLGELgAoQ
then check the truckdriver kill at the end my man 😄
100m more than your rifle one meh
on 1:26 I have one of the same distance as yours too
and all the others were 200m+
anyway... you shown me one, I shown you more so I believe it's more than enough 🙂
all I could do in such a short time anyway
also, you need to consider the zoom on Grease gun - rifles have stronger zoom, + I forgot to check the FOV. Not bad for SMG's slow bullets I believe.
I may play some more before I leave today, but I guess see ya after the weekend.
I agree - looks like Sam_15_SVK 😄
Sorry I am unable to be short, ever. Hence my old suggestions made of few A4s in the old times xD .
It's a skill I lack to my sadness.
I always feel/urge I have to explain and touch everything.
in that case, and to be short, you have shown one, so you can check just the truck driver longest kill and ignore the rest... there ya go
that was however not the one on the Elsenborn video
I went to your position and measured the distance of the target
maybe it was some other kill you made
lemme check again
I don't have access to that link
anyway, 372m... that makes it 8 more meters to go to match mine 😜
I thought you do, so I started measuring our eeeehm just for the fun of it xD
I considered it a challenge... at least something more to play for on top of usual stuff
I like challenges - WTH had a great challenges system in their server, I wish all the servers had it
like... kill xy with this or that weapon under this or that circumstance
In that case I apologise for moving this to a level you didn't intend to get to. 😔
love how it's not just me with screwd up anti aliasing
looks like it's yours 🤪
Im new to the game but am learning very quick. But i find it frustrating when players don't use their headset. Any servers or communitys i can join which players are more talkative ?
How many kill points does a kill give you
1 million aura points 😎
how would new members after today know to react to the message to get news?
probably something on the onboarding screen when you join discord
It will be going into the onboarding process 🙂
HA! 
people already not checking telegram for updates time for even less perchance
how will people know about pacific next week
I want newsss
people ignore telegram and ask whats written in telegram, so its fine 
gimme news, i ain't doing it myself i wanna be fed it
doing my part
this auto?
News news news
WE NEED THE PACIFIC!!!! RAHH
mods can do it ahha
Pacific jumpscare
@nocturne birch
.smoggless
.berg
.pacific
.dot
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Pacific
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Ey that was rude 🥺
-.-- --- ..- / ... -- . .-.. .-.. / .-.. .. -.- . / ... . .- .-- .- - . .-. .-.-.-
😭😭😭😭😭
There was no need
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@azure heath 😤
🤷
I think Ben it's going to send feet pics, or something like that
@sturdy bridge
@sturdy bridge
@sturdy bridge
sure? 😏
"HELL LET LOOSE IS THE BEST GAME AND BEN IS THE BEST TOO!"
thank god for morse code translators xD
Please do not randomly ping other users 😦
lol
@nocturne birch care to explain?
sorry flerg, as your teammate, i didnt mean to upset you!
You did it too 😒
I sadly play on team with Flerg too
sorry flerg, as some1 you tk every match
It's the standard
How do you know it was random
Clearly, when smog pinged Anna there was a methodology to his choice
#BringBackHLLScreenshots
We ping each other daily now
will i still skip the queue even if vip slots are full? if im vip*
No, you just gotta wait for a minute
Wholesomeness pilled 🫂
what would i have to wait for?
Most servers have 2 VIP slots so if the server is at 98 players you'll get in instantly
@cosmic pilot
VIP has never failed me
i wanna buy VIP for this server to skip the queue thats full 24/7 but that also means the vip queue is constantly overflowing. right now its at 13/2 vip slots
unless the server is at 100
SOUL?
right now it says the server is at 98 players but there are 14/2 players in vip slots. yes soulsniper
@sturdy bridge
I'd just get it, I have VIP and I barely wait
👍 ty
the only time you'll have to wait is if the server is at 100 players
which just means two VIPs got in the server before you and no one left
you get a week free trial on soul i believe too
it's great if you only want to play in that respective community
I don't even remember when I was forced to wait the latest time.
it happens a decent bit on my servers but it's because all the VIPs pile in at one time
right, I have to say that I am not usually playing at the peak hours
but then it's calm most of the day, just like an hour period of waiting maybe a minute for a spot
it's usually just chilling at 98 all day
VIP is the only reason I play
Where you from and where's the server?
120 lmao
Try 500 ping
120 ping is still okay, tho
but bro has a right to have at least one server under 100 unless he lives in like tierra de fuego or the falklands
Falklands gets British ping 🇬🇧
With everybody with 120ms is Ok, true BUT in this case it's only me and the rest of the server is with 60ms.
Maybe your net sucks
Nah
had to chuckle, ngl
AI don't have feet
Fck, you are right
Sounds like something an AI would say
We the people want new toys to play with, not new playgrounds! (for now)
but they can be programmed to say they do 😜
we just need to find your source code
I want both










