mess-hall

[finite berry]

Yes, but contary to HLL, in Squad 44 players at least understand the negative impacts of their actions; this leads to a much more reserved and cautious playstyle at the end, at least on average.

[covert elbow]

Having JohnnyGonzalez2016 scream in my ear while rushing a point over and over because that’s how you win gets boring after a few games

[cosmic pilot]

Just make the ammo physicalized using the precedent of the supply boxes.
Ammo is stored in ammo crates that are physically on the map

[finite berry]

In order to make HLL "extreme Hardcore", it would need to be hardcore to begin with. Spoiler, it isn't. It's Battlefield but one-hit-kill.

[winter rover]

aka battlefield hardcore

[finite berry]

Nah

[winter rover]

but a tad bit slower

[covert elbow]

It’s small because everyone who wanted it left. I remember when I got the game in 2022 people still had hopes and ideas about the game. Nowadays the playerbase is full of casual kiddies who don’t understand basic game design

[finite berry]

Exactly

[winter rover]

Battlefield hardcore mode is literally 1 shot 1 kill with bolt actions. Just slightly make the movements slower and bam, HLL

[analog apex]

or that... but then we would need to think about it, how the boxes would be deployed - the system. Because then if everybody just deployed the ammo boxes on the ground, that would be all. And with the cooldowns of the boxes, they are relatively unlimited.

a great room to work with though, great potential

[finite berry]

HLL pandered to the average "haha StG go brrr" kid. Good for T17's pockets, bad for match quality

[cosmic pilot]

It would be a fine place to start

[finite berry]

fair

[cosmic pilot]

Then iterate from there

[thin scarab]

Yeah and Thats how it is now. Thats Not Gonna Change

[surreal eagle]

i love oyu mg42

[silk igloo]

Yeah, and I suppose the playerbase is older and more communicative. I just wish that the maps werent so big. S44 with HLL map size would be so much better. That's another thing I forgot to mention, in S44 you cant even tell if someone is capturing the point, and in urban environments there's even more corridors to look out for than in HLL. It's supposed to be a realistic WW2 game but it becomes this odd tag of running around and trying to find the enemy in some attic

[thin scarab]

I know it isnt. But the casuals will see it like that

[analog apex]

definitelly

[covert elbow]

100%-50% Tickets: Full resupply minus explosives
50%-20% Tickets: Half resupply on ammo
20%-0% Tickets: No resupply on ammo

Have this be the blueprint for the garrisons or something

[finite berry]

My problem with this statement is that by taking a comparable, more casual game and adding some "hardcore" to it, thus equaling the seemingly "hardcore game" is a bit weird argumentation. What is Battlefield then, hardcore CoD? What is Squad 44 then, hardcore HLL?

[covert elbow]

Yep

Not going to stop me from talking about the game though

I know it isn’t going to change. Still gonna talk about it though

[winter rover]

"What is Battlefield then, hardcore CoD? What is Squad 44 then, hardcore HLL?"

i mean... basically 😂

[finite berry]

You can tell if someone is capturing the point because it's getting displayed on the map.

And hate to break it to you about attics, but that's how house-to-house fighting works.

[winter rover]

Well, older BF games the BF2-4 days

[silk igloo]

Only if you dont have 152mm guns available, like the soviets had in berlin

[finite berry]

I know. But it doesn't mean that a gameplay change demanding to think for at least five seconds would drive all the casuals away.

[finite berry]

?

[analog apex]

woudl work too and would encourage the usage of the ammo boxes as well

great thinking there while keeping it simple - we wouldn't need a separate ammoTicket pool and just the local spawnTickets would suffice

[thin scarab]

Well if I See people that Play SL Can’t Even use there mics or Place OP then thats enough for me to understand that Players don’t want to learn

[covert elbow]

And that’s why we should have game mechanics to weed out the crops

When you appeal to everyone you make a bad product

[thin scarab]

I also would like to see a more in depth System with the nodes

[covert elbow]

They tried to appeal to the realism players, did a 180, appealed to the casual players, and now it’s been going downhill for years

[covert elbow]

I honestly don’t even know about nodes anymore. Should I they even be in the game?

[silk igloo]

I just think that tactical games approaching realism should hardly ever be won or affected by single soldiers holding a corner or such. Entire units can surrender at once, singular lost soldiers would surrender even more. Rather it should be about the coordination of firepower, movement and all the tools you have, instead of the current "1 man captures entire point and forces a simulated division to fall back"

[covert elbow]

They’re a pretty tacked on feature at this point. Resources were originally to nodes but got swapped to the things we have in game

[thin scarab]

I think they should but can also see why people think they should not

[neat urchin]

@fluid pawn Is render distance on console going to be addressed soon? Sometimes can barley see guys in windows less than 100M away. Also seeing purple blobs at 100-150 m in the distance doesn't make me feel like im in a war time setting lol

Also Hit Reg?

Worse than ever

[finite berry]

Yep

[silk igloo]

in this regard HLL is a much better milsim than S44, because you actually CAN hold the entire width of the map, at least on open maps, and heavily affect the other side of the map even 1,000 meters away with AT guns and such

[thin scarab]

Brother please don’t Call HLL a Milsim

[round mesa]

It is a milsim tho.

[thin scarab]

Arma is

[round mesa]

So is COD by definition.

[silk igloo]

Taking your squad to the far flank of Kursk or El Alamein and sniping several tanks from there is just 🤌

[covert elbow]

Yep. Makes the game neigh unplayable

[silk igloo]

If people played HLL like a milsim, medium tanks would be perfectly viable when AT gunners do their job

[neat urchin]

Honestly doesnt even make me wanna play at times. IF it was better i'd play pubs more often but since its so bad i just dont even wanna play that. Sucks cause it keeps getting worse every update as well and i feel like we keep talking about it and nothing gets done.

[covert elbow]

No it wouldn’t lmao

[thin scarab]

Yeah its getting to a Point that its just really really Bad

[covert elbow]

Idk what you mean by “playing like a MilSim” anyways

[neat urchin]

Needs to be addressed by the Dev's @fluid pawn @lost pulsar 🫶

[silk igloo]

One squad for one grid, or 200 meters. That's my rule of thumb. In a forest it's more like 100m

[covert elbow]

We’ve been talking about stuff for years with no fixes in sight. They are helping bipods and LOD’s though so that’s nice

[round mesa]

Milsim is a very broad term. Somebody needs to come up with a new generalization.

[covert elbow]

That is way to big for one squad

[finite berry]

I wouldn't say that they don't want. 😉

[covert elbow]

I also still don’t get what you mean by “MilSim”

MilSim is baked in game mechanics and functions. Not how players play the game

[finite berry]

Oh, I firmly agree there. PSRM got your back, tho 😉

[thin scarab]

I can only Talk for console. But 60% of the Players Are a joke. Don’t Even understand Basic Game knowledge.

And the 40% are Comp Players that know the ins and outs of the Game

[finite berry]

Community's gotta step forward and proactively teach newbies ^^ And I'm dead serious on that. Hop into VC and teach newbies the game in detail.

[round mesa]

The biggest problem with these team based games is NOT the game mechanics, it's the changing playerbase.

[silk igloo]

Simulating how units were deployed in WW2, and why. All other things being equal, it's just so much more effective to go wide, for the same reasons as in real life. Even in a virtual environment you cannot escape 3d realities of getting shot from the side or behind

[thin scarab]

We All tried it and people just Tell you to F off.

And at some Point some Players join a Clan because they want to play with people that know how to play

[finite berry]

Then keep trying it. Also here on the Discord, check #new-recruit-barracks and offer every new player a personal guide, explanation and tutorial.

That's how I'd do it if played this game

[thin scarab]

Naah I Gave up on that…

[round mesa]

Ive had dozens of new players join our discord in the past 5 or 6 months and they all claim to want to play with people that communicate, but then they never join VC because they have social anxiety.

[thin scarab]

Not gonna waste my time

[finite berry]

Sad

[covert elbow]

We did for years and the devs took advantage of that. Why build mandatory training courses when the community can teach the players?

[finite berry]

There must be both

In-game help and a proactively helping community taking newbies by their hands and teaching them

[silk igloo]

I think social anxiety arises from considering yourself to be of lower status than others. So if you gaslight yourself to be better than anyone else (like I am) you're free to say whatever you want

🤪

[novel mantle]

Add another faction

Or give us accurate weapons for the correct time period

Devs are insanely lazy when it comes to accuracy

[finite berry]

Because that doesn't sell well

Players wanna grind for that stupid StG 44

[thin scarab]

Im Not really good at Talking to strangers. But if you Play a Game That also Works based on comms then you just need to get yourself together and Talk even if its the bare minimum

[finite berry]

Yup, absolutely

[round mesa]

Adding a ping system and communication wheel does not promote that though 😆

[thin scarab]

The comms Wheel is a misstake.

The Ping System is nice for pinging Tanks and Infy

[covert elbow]

Wish it was actually voicelines and proper hand signals…

[thin scarab]

The Ping System you mean ?

[covert elbow]

Comms wheel

[thin scarab]

Would be annoying ngl

To much Audio you don’t need

[covert elbow]

…..no?

[finite berry]

Eh... Looking at Enlisted's voice lines where I cringe every time...

[pine ember]

The thing isnt stupid, but it would be much better if it was usable by the officer and if the weapons generally werent behind a barrier

[finite berry]

The weapon not, but it's stupid that it's so prevalent on the battlefield

[pine ember]

It depends, it wasnt uncommon during 44-45

[thin scarab]

Its to much Audio Spam you don’t need. Imagine you are close to a Enemy and want to hear footsteps and stuff, and you hear those weird Voicelines because someone is spamming something. No Thank you

[pine ember]

Its a problem that the grind is so heavy, there should be a focus on teamplay instead

[finite berry]

Yes, but only among specific units. And even then it's just way too overrepresented compared to the K98k

[pine ember]

I know

Just give it to the officer, and make it harder for non speaking ones

[covert elbow]

So the immature players who scream into their microphones and play loud music aren’t an issue?

Like the issue is already in game. Adding voicelines and hand signals won’t change anything

[thin scarab]

Tbh Thats really 0,5% of the Players

You always will have Trolls

[covert elbow]

So then only 0.5% of players will spams VL’s

[thin scarab]

No because we Talk about people using the comms Wheel

[covert elbow]

Yes

Like the in game microphone

And the microphone is much worse

[thin scarab]

Also if you add voice Lines Enemy would hear you. So someone next to you Pings something and he just gives away youre position

[silk igloo]

I use the comms wheel when I dont want to clutter the comms. Like pinging the supply box I dropped, which creates "Supplies box here" and a mark on the map

the downside is that you cant tell if the SL saw the message

[nova pivot]

What cosmetics are in the PTE?

[sleek elk]

Dildos for potato mashers

[nova pivot]

Can someone who is playing send me a photo?

[pine ember]

Yep

[humble perch]

US rangers, Russian Liberation Army(axis collaborators) and Luftwaffe field division.

[pine ember]

And the second one shouldnt be there

[nova pivot]

Thanks, can someone send me a photo or send them off-topic?

[humble perch]

Why? ROA refers to russian Heer auxiliaries. RONA are the Waffen-SS guys.

[pine ember]

Both were absolutely in minority compared to German soldiers, and both didnt have an impact

Its just too specific and wont be accurate on most maps

[nova pivot]

I just want to see a photo please

[covert elbow]

Someone send me a photo of the ranger uniform as wel

[nova pivot]

If they send it to you, please send it to me later.

[humble perch]

These were eastern combat auxiliaries, used on both the Western and Eastern front. By your logic the Luftwaffe field troops also shouldn't be added.

[oak current]

have you heard of this Milsim named Enlisted?

runs for his life

[pine ember]

Yep, and they shouldnt be

Regular uniforms are the most fitting in 80-90% of the case

[humble perch]

But Luftwaffen tunic cool.

[past vortex]

at least it has pacific

[crystal girder]

Havent tried enlisted for a long time but it was very fun when they first started doing a bunch of advertising for it years back

[pine ember]

Yep, but it isnt about coolness

[past vortex]

lately they have fixed a lot of stuff

[pine ember]

Its about realistic uniforms that should look rough and like they are directly from a warzone

[finite berry]

But it's the snail

[past vortex]

yea if you cant control yourself its really bad
you dont have to buy tho

[rain lark]

its just a silly rule

why can i not place one

[arctic rampart]

How tf would that even work? Why wouldn't we just spam like 5 garries in close proximity to the cap then?

And make it essentially instant spawn

[rain lark]

it wont be an instant spawn cuz if enemies are near u cant spawn in

[arctic rampart]

But it's blue zone

need 15(iirc) meters, aka right next to it to lock it

Pop 5 down within like 100x100 meters and no one is capping shet

Spawns instant as well then

[rain lark]

idk but 200 m is way too much

[arctic rampart]

No it ain't

[rain lark]

150 at least

[past vortex]

naw its totally fine

[arctic rampart]

It's easier to argue that it's too little than too much

[rain lark]

its impossible to cap point without garry

its impossible to defend too lmoa

[warm girder]

You’re just spewing out nonsense. I’ve seen people cap points without a Garry many times. Especially on offensive

[past vortex]

you can place plenty garries tho

so waht is the problem

[arctic rampart]

And you can cap a point without a garry, just need proper setup

[rain lark]

that they have to be 200 m away from each other

[past vortex]

yea, thats fine

[rain lark]

why is this a rule in a milsim?

[warm girder]

This isn’t a milsim game

[arctic rampart]

milsim?

Where tf did you get the idea HLL is a milsim?

[past vortex]

in a real milsim you would enter at the furthest point with a convoy or something :}

or dont reenter at all :D

[arctic rampart]

We could always tag ninja and let him list the 482 reasons why HLL isn't a milsim

But that's irrelevant. tldr garries are good as they are rn, at least when concerning building conditions

[past vortex]

not that milsim is a well defined concept :}

but one thing is for sure: if it doesnt have pacific it isnt a milsim

[warm girder]

It’s more of a strategy tactical shooter game

[rain lark]

yeah whatever that genre of game

[silk igloo]

i hope they dont nerf the brightness from the PTE because these flares are awesome. spam flares in the same spot and it gets brighter and brighter

[past vortex]

hahaha

a well thought out mechanic it seems

[silk igloo]

it's beautiful.

[analog apex]

multiple flares of Jairion's made Mortain an autumn - totally orange/yellow leaves on the trees and grass

[silk igloo]

I recall that the flares originally had similar brightness in their first PTE, they would even draw clear shadows through hedges on walls 200 meters away from the flare. Upon release they were tuned down, it didn't look quite good in that PTE

[wind shore]

I’m very happy that we getting Danzig map

[mellow knoll]

W that we get the Luftwaffe Field Div too, just hope they fix the weird double Iron Cross on the chest lol

[vivid temple]

That ain't sure tho

[analog apex]

Autumn in Mortain (just after firing xy red German flares into the skies)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1378062436913119233/Screenshot_2025-05-30_192749.png?ex=683b3c28&is=6839eaa8&hm=57aeb08ace2f156ee66339ee5ce05012e74295cd933b3bc1c751a43f48084f84&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1529&height=856

[silk igloo]

i forgot we could post images here

[analog apex]

only those which have links, not able to uplodd them still

but it's good enough state already

[covert elbow]

wtf

How the hell does that happen

[analog apex]

Jairion was just spamming flares using ordnance ammo boxes, this was the result

[covert elbow]

Would love it if flares acted like actual flares rather then a battlefield gadget

[covert elbow]

Lmao

[analog apex]

And I guess the most interesting MG place compared to vanilla version:
https://youtu.be/C-PLj767ASs?t=75

but I love that we can deploy the bipods on the sloped roofs now without being forced to look into the skies or into the ground

[worthy charm]

They gotta fix that you cant place the bipod on some things

Its a PTE though, its still great.

[analog apex]

definitely!

we MG players will have to re-learn all we know about the MG positions because there are new ones and many old ones won't work anymore

• no more being able to deploy bipod as prone on some asset and have our body flying in the air at the same time - possible but we can't look left/right anymore

it could be a little bit less restrictive, but for a 1st version it works just great and more realistic

I am so happy I can be positive about a change in HLL after so long time.

[novel geyser]

Ooh new uniforms? I'm at work rn could u dm me some pics pretty please

[analog apex]

this is so cool! just look at it... ❤️
https://youtu.be/bUr_V9t4q0o?t=9

like 300° angle available with 1 bipodding place

[novel geyser]

Crazy

[analog apex]

I am going to have early Christmas when this patch goes out!

[past vortex]

can you try on a roof

[analog apex]

I have, works great too, lemme make an edit

doesn't work that great alongside the roof anymore, but that what's I would expect realistically so I am probably OK with it... maybe a liiitle adjustment against restriction, but still OK

YT is processing the vid a bit long... gonna post in a minute or two

[empty steppe]

Bipod for fg-42 and bar next 🤞🤞

[analog apex]

@past vortex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7h1HOYXBnk

also, not possible to deploy MGs on the snowed roofs or snowed surfaces - needs to be fixed

and we need to be able to deploy them on the vehicle wreckages of previously controlalble vehicles too

and on the big supply boxes from the trucks

afterwards and with small additional adjustments, I guess the system will be perfect (or near-perfect)

[arctic rampart]

The video version of setting up on a roof kind of makes sense

[analog apex]

yep

[arctic rampart]

If you'd set it up pararell to the roof would be quite unreal

Even this version's gonna be crazy strong

Since I bet the amount of exposure for the shooter is quite low

[analog apex]

yeah the possibility of it worked well as a supplement for the normal angle not working. Won't be needed to work alongside roof anymore when we wil lbe able to deploy it right on it as anybody woudl realistically expect.

MG will be great again! (or for the 1st time actually?)

[covert elbow]

That turn radius is way to fast imo

Should be like the AT gun where after 90 degrees you get slowed down

[analog apex]

yep, it moves as fast as we move with the mouse

[covert elbow]

Jesus Christ haha

All in all though, very solid PTE from the looks of it

[analog apex]

yep, the amount of work on it is visible

[covert elbow]

Got some fundamental issues with medic but other then that it’s just a bunch of touch ups

[analog apex]

quality not bad either

[covert elbow]

Agreed

It’s nice to say “that’s a good update”

[arctic rampart]

Feels like the planets truly have aligned for the first time in a millenia

[analog apex]

le'ts hope it's going to be a beginning of a great updateStreak

can use hedgehogs for bipodding too!

and El Alamein buildings parts

I am going to have to buy some more DLC because for the MG stuff alone I am so grateful.

[arctic rampart]

I'm only afraid there's gonna be like a gazillion aids spots

Spots that clearly shouldn't be intended and/or spots that'll clearly ruin gameplay even if they would be kind of possible IRL

[analog apex]

we'll see

I love the new EXPLORE feature too... being able to run around as MG in an offline map is great for testing this stuff.

[azure heath]

honestly might be the biggest thing

do you need to be online to access it?

[analog apex]

I guess so

but it's not an online server

[azure heath]

so.. client side?

[analog apex]

yep

[azure heath]

cool

if they can make it so we can access it offline like the practice range that'd be cool

(my internet is always bugging out so i need this)

[analog apex]

great thing of EXPLORE feature

• we can spawn on both sides of the map - we can use both our and the enemy HQs so we are able to fast test destruction of the vehicles

bad thing

• we are unable to spawn as Commander so no way to spawn all the vehicles to test them

[past vortex]

i hope they fleah the mg stuff out more

btw does the queue display work in pte?

[arctic rampart]

You think there's a server with a queue?

[analog apex]

no way to say... the PTE server has been pretty empty

[past vortex]

aaw

[azure heath]

wait for a game to end

[arctic rampart]

Imagine if Explore mode xp was actually given to the player 💀

[past vortex]

are you sure its not :D

[arctic rampart]

Ngl someone needs to test that, at this point we shouldn't be surprised

[past vortex]

yea

doesnt make much difference tho, plenty of empty servers

[arctic rampart]

Suppose so, but still

It's the type of thing I see a gamer to think is self-explanatory, but a hired dev to completely forget

Just like the xp thing

[worthy charm]

Bob the Builder owner already shiver in fear. 😂

[arctic rampart]

That thing needs to be removed

Or even better, just patch the functionality out as a whole

so you can't do it anywhere

[worthy charm]

Imagine you would just have all loadouts at the beginning

[arctic rampart]

nah would be aids

[covert elbow]

Is it multilayer or solo only. Cause for trainings and photo opportunities that would be amazing

[arctic rampart]

Reforger has this issue where armored vehicles are memes.
Because every f'er on the server's running a RPG with 4 more heads in the backpack

[winter rover]

S44's guadalcanal is running

beautiful map

[arctic rampart]

Ok?

[winter rover]

japan actually have a flamethrower and AT rifle for once

Who would've known

[analog apex]

solo only

[arctic rampart]

Y'know this is the HLL discord right?

[covert elbow]

Damn

[winter rover]

enjoy your pacificless game 😂

[analog apex]

found some more problematic MG bipodding assets

hopefully they will fix all of it

[silk igloo]

it's mine, and i do whatever i want with it

[worthy charm]

You know thats not as great of a counter, do you?

[past vortex]

he has a point
it isnt a milsim if it aint got no pacific

[winter rover]

not meant to be a counter, but yeah have fun with your same ol factions and terrible vehicle gameplay

[arctic rampart]

I've played both, obviously HLL more than sq44 and I don't feel like I am missing out.
I did like sq44, but not all of it.

[winter rover]

it's ok to llike casual games more, everyone's got a preference

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/well-played-reggie-diggstown-307-good-game-gif-24092960

[arctic rampart]

I don't think sq44 is that much more serious than hll honestly

[winter rover]

oh boy

[worthy charm]

It has more advanced mechanics, but with the current playercount it cant even be recognized as a competitor.

[arctic rampart]

Nah' not cause of that

[winter rover]

Its playercount is good enough, stop acting like it's dead. WW2 sims are less popular than casual WW2 games

[arctic rampart]

I met some decent clan lads, but even then, the game after the X hour mark becomes just a rush fest with their own cheeky strats, just like we do here in pubs

[worthy charm]

The thing is many who want this kind of gameplay could play arma instead and have a similar experience and players.

[arctic rampart]

I asked them everything from A to Z within the few hours I played across the free period

And yeah, my conclusion was that not much was changed

[worthy charm]

I agree but the max 24h peek is at 356.

[arctic rampart]

Like yeah, there's obviously realism aspects, more of "content" so to say, but the gameplay was quite similar

[worthy charm]

Thats not even great for this genre

[winter rover]

Like I said, hardcore realistic WW2 games have a small playerbase

Look at IL2, DCS WW2, etc

[arctic rampart]

Idk what you find hardcore about it

[winter rover]

They're small

Compare it to modern DCS and Squad

[worthy charm]

Arma reforger though currently has more player on steam than hll.

more than double

not sure if even the consoles can make that better.

[winter rover]

Completely different era and game

Not many people like bolt actions

In Squad 44, on the German side, 80% of the team is stuck with bolt actions

Compare that to HLL

• its more casual gameplay

[worthy charm]

I again can agree, still thats a lot of copium

Gonna need some when my exam results come back

[winter rover]

Hardcore WW2 games are not popular - not as popular as modern

[arctic rampart]

But what makes sq44 "hardcore"?

[winter rover]

Go play it

[arctic rampart]

I did

I didn't find it hardcore, that's why I am asking

[winter rover]

I mean actually play it lol

[worthy charm]

Damn, once there is a S44 dicussion going on and elise isnt here...

[silk igloo]

Sq44 is not hardcore, its...

let me brain compute

[winter rover]

If you can't tell the difference between HLL and S44, I have no words

[worthy charm]

@finite berry Where are you mate?

[arctic rampart]

We can tell differences buddy

[winter rover]

Clearly you can't lmao

[arctic rampart]

it has it's positives, as well as negatives, but it's not like a completely different world

[silk igloo]

s44 is dry and hll is wet

[arctic rampart]

Are you actually dumb tho?

[vivid temple]

Calm down

[worthy charm]

Lets not use this kind of wording please, I dont want to warn people

[arctic rampart]

I clearly fuking stated that I realise it has more "content" so to say, but there's no clear indication why it's hardcore and why HLL is "casual".
Spawns work nearly the same, squads work nearly the same, gamemodes work nearly the same, comms work nearly the same

[winter rover]

You already scream out 14 year old

I'm not even going to bother

[arctic rampart]

Holy crap your dented

[silk igloo]

I just wish that HLL had all the bells and whistles that S44 has

Realistic armor pen, firemodes, sway, suppression, stuff

[winter rover]

for me all I want is a realistic tank system in HLL, and I'll be happy with the game

[oak current]

people want so many SQ44 things...but they dont want to play SQ44

[slate canopy]

I guess I am not picky... I am fine with the game. not saying it is perfect or doesn't need improvements... I am fine with it lol

[oak current]

I just happily float in the sky.

[worthy charm]

Its wyld indeed... My online problem is there arent any filled german server.

[arctic rampart]

It's just so annoying to see this Band of Brothers type andy yap about how Sq44 is so much better, but here it's sitting at barely playable numbers, with just more diversity, but at the end of the day for a player who's not awwing at those bells and whistles (ar Jairion mentioned perfectly), it plays nearly identical

[polar prism]

Yikes

[finite berry]

I can't, I'm playtesting Guadalcanal now. Why? Because we have the Pacific! 🏖️

Damn, now I died because I was reading the chat :(

[worthy charm]

Perfect, my plan worked,

[finite berry]

:(

[arctic rampart]

Berlin representative griefing another Berlin representative

[polar prism]

Dude this jungle is a nightmare, literally feels like every man to themselves

Tactics? Nahh all about guerilla warfare 😂

[oak current]

Happy Guacamole fighting

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-punch-punching-fling-gif-24582824

[oak current]

oi, get your hook away Jairion, I'm not a Lakitu

[silk igloo]

idk what that is but my instinct says to hook you down

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-take-great-offense-kenan-thompson-saturday-night-live-im-offended-i-take-offense-to-that-gif-25915867

[finite berry]

Thank you :D

[finite berry]

Which is still wrong.

[silk igloo]

either on the receiving or giving end, just give me a battalion attacking an enemy position with artillery, machineguns, tanks, whole shebang

[worthy charm]

Maaaaaaaaaan, I tried it a few days ago and got a lobby with 15 people

[finite berry]

Got unlucky

There is a German server that gets seeded almost every day

I oughta now because it's my server

[worthy charm]

And they all complained the germans are getting less.

[finite berry]

They have become less, but it's still enough to get a server seeded (with support from abroad)

[winter rover]

we need the russian front mod to get popular

[finite berry]

legal issues

It might get added some day, it might get not

[silk igloo]

Every time that people lose to some rats in the back only carries an annoying memory at best, but when you get crushed from the front with multiple tanks, even losing feels good

[oak current]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/872202388767899658.webp?size=96&animated=true

[analog apex]

who needs a tripod if we have this well known titanium shovel? 😄 bipodable too... maybe actually shouldn't been heh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1378089300390051892/Screenshot_2025-05-30_211445.png?ex=683b552c&is=683a03ac&hm=67ef29aa7822ec1ca97e978988e715aa6f4d5f4a0193f84ba1f2d8d0acd92048&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1004&height=960

[versed ocean]

Are servers down?

[finite berry]

Yeah, because optimisation is still bad (improving, tho) and fora 2018 game, the hardware demands are very high, especially in regards to RAM and CPU (not so much GPU, contrary to what many people believe)

[polar prism]

#off-topic-mess-hall guadalcanal is a beauty!

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-nervous-im-scared-gif-14513102

[frank axle]

pte is only for steam right?

[finite berry]

yes

[wind shore]

Yes

[silk igloo]

yes

[analog apex]

yes 😏

[worthy charm]

yes

[wind shore]

What are we talking about? I would say yes, but I don’t know, maybe you asking to take credit on me 😂😅🤣

[worthy charm]

yes

[silk igloo]

yes

[novel geyser]

No

[past vortex]

yea

[heavy citrus]

guys there is a playtest going on where tf are you

[past vortex]

its only on steam

[heavy citrus]

a playtest and only 1 person with me on da game. hop tf on

[novel geyser]

I don't think playtests have ever been that populated

Usually are for maybe a bit but die off quick

[silk igloo]

some have two full servers, some have only a couple of guys

[oak current]

a few years ago, people were hyped about PTEs, with whole communities joining their discord VC and someone streaming it even.
People are less interested in just testing out smaller stuff. New Map will get a slight bit of an interest. New weapons that are available for multiple classes will get more attention.

[river rover]

One shocker that I was surprised on is the actual official support for DX12. I'll admit I was wrong I thought it required a engine upgrade to 4.27 for that but obviously not. This will give folks those extra FPS they crave. I'm thinking though as mentioned there will be an option to return to DX11 so folks that are crashing or having issues now with the setting will most likely still have that issue even though it will now be supported. 😉

[past vortex]

wdym, it worked for quite a while now
also it only does something on some gpus

[river rover]

Wasn't supported.

[past vortex]

wdym supported :D

[river rover]

Wasn't officially supported until now.

[past vortex]

if it would not work for you now they would tell you to use dx11 :D

so many were running it

[river rover]

Many have for years but it's never been supported. Not until the next release. 😉

[past vortex]

yea nothing will change except an ig option

[silk igloo]

for now we're guaranteed to not accidentally open a rift to the warp

[past vortex]

you still can

[sharp matrix]

RIP MG.

[vivid fulcrum]

What are VIP SLOT in the servers waiting to get in and how can I get in that group ?

[slate canopy]

Generally, people who are part of the clan of the community server have the VIP access, or you unlock a set amount of days by seeding a server.

You can find seeding advertised in #console-seeding-help for console.

[tender shore]

@vivid fulcrum VIP players are people who are better then the rest of us we are but peasants in their eyes

You ever tried to join the queue but it's full and yet you see VIP players getting in? Remember that feels one day we shall have our vengeance

[real parrot]

As a VIP player I agree I see you as a mere commoner, I even have my own discord channel in the community, like general but for important people

[tender shore]

One day I'ma break into your house and cook you breakfast in bed and then after you're done eating I'ma make you some warm milk and tuck you back in and then singe you a lullaby AND THEN whilst you sleep I'm gonna change your battery's in your smoke detectors

[real parrot]

That's the worst threat someone said to me 😢

Sadly for you, I have no smoke detectors 😈

[tender shore]

Sadly for you their won't be any warm milk I will drink it all

[real parrot]

Good, I don't like warm milk, I take it cold, like my VIP, elegant heart

[tender shore]

I take my water cold

Sometimes with ice in it and afterwards I don't chew the ice I just put it back in the freezer

[real parrot]

I will heat all of your water then 😈

[tender shore]

No thanks I have a water heater already

[real parrot]

It wasn't a question

[tender shore]

I mean it wasn't a question yeah

[ebon fable]

Give medic garand/gewehr/svt and ppl will use them in every squad

Using carbine isn’t worth 2 second revives

[real parrot]

Give medics pervitin

[wind shore]

@covert elbow I can send you rangers if you want , but later

I’m not on PC rn, but those rangers are from DDAY maps, and + 2 helmets

2nd Ranger Platoon, 5 ranger platoon

[old dagger]

Squad 44 is better than this game

[wind shore]

I don’t agree

Hell let Loose is better for me

[slate canopy]

Then why you here to advertise it? Go play it, this is the HLL server.

[old dagger]

Cool but squad 44 is more historically accurate It's got japanese factions They're playing on adding 3 pacific maps and eastern front maps in the future Over 50 vehicles, well around that number , And I honestly do not know why more people don't play it sounds great too.

[slate canopy]

Good for them.

[wind shore]

We also getting eastern front map

[old dagger]

Don't get me wrong I like how Hll But I like squad a lot more

I know I already saw the road map

[wind shore]

But Danzig it’s a big step, it’s different timeline and theatre

It’s 1939 or 1945

[old dagger]

They released what it was when

[slate canopy]

Again, good for you. This is the HLL server. Please keep the talk to that unless you have suggestions from other games to this game 😉 Not just "man X game is better than hlll"

[old dagger]

Honestly I like a lot more if they added more vehicles and fixed the thing Where if you go through sandbags they should scatter

[wind shore]

But in Squad 44 shooting isn’t good enough like in HLL

[old dagger]

What you moderator

[wind shore]

Maps are too clean

I’m not

[old dagger]

Yes and no at the same time They also got Greece and France

[wind shore]

But I played enlisted, squad 44, and hll, both

[slate canopy]

I am lol

[wind shore]

HLL gets Danzig and eastern front map

HLL gets quality life updates

And maybe a new prototype of tank in future

[old dagger]

It's just hell let loose is really janky In how people look enlisted Cannot even come close to hell at loose

[wind shore]

Medic reworks, new DLC

[old dagger]

Yeah I saw the medic reworks but it doesn't matter without tickets

I hope they add new ways to attack

[wind shore]

Why limit team with tickets

It would break balance

Revive - that’s all, let’s fight

Medic is good thing

[old dagger]

Cause people don't want to be strategic and they don't care at all If they die or live so it's basically oh let's send people in the meat grinder and that's not how it work If you died Needed to pay for it in the game

It works in squad

[wind shore]

Please no

[old dagger]

Yeah you guys don't care if you live or die so it's just like an arcade

[wind shore]

Make dying - the problem for the team

[old dagger]

Well you should try to stay alive then

[wind shore]

Cause to have fun

It’s scale 1:1 of maps

That is matter of taste

Everybody like what he likes more

[old dagger]

Inform new ways to play Inform new ways to play new game modes in stead of this unsenless meat grinder it is right now

[slate canopy]

I like my meat grind. mmmm ground beef.

[wind shore]

Every man to his own taste

[old dagger]

It doesn't make it interesting at all

[wind shore]

I would say find a good team

[slate canopy]

Then don't play 🤷‍♀️ No one is forcing you.

[old dagger]

Like if you have to pay for each person to die you're not doing the same thing over and over again that's what I keep seeing in these videos you're doing the same thing over and over again and sooner or later without any new vehicles or catching up on maps and all the game is gonna be come just like Enlisted or some other dead world war 2 game

1 thing I do like is the artillery But I don't see anybody playing it

But this is the prime era world war 2 games movies And popularity and I'm glad because people need to know this history

You deleted my message

That was definitely a hell of loose video

[old dagger]

In world war 2 you're not gonna hit every single target Squad has realistic aerodynamics

[slate canopy]

No it wasn't, but good try 👍

[old dagger]

So what if I post 1 in the off topic Could you delete it You wouldn't be able to cause it's off topic right What if I post a soul sniper video

[slate canopy]

Technically, all HLL videos go in #hll-videos

[ebon fable]

Squad is trash for stolen valor losers

Boring video game

HLL = Awesome.

[wide escarp]

I’m glad I came in here for this

Do teams trash talk eachother in here?

[old dagger]

In the term of stolen valor You might as well be talking about hll and then also I think you're confusing the two squad is going much better quality maps factions and game play In historical accuracy you're just wanting more of an arcade game , if I wanted an arcade game I would just play world war heroes on my freaking phone

Enlisted don't like much at all Hell it loose is in the middle but I love squad but I don't know if it will be around by the time I get a PC

[slate canopy]

All videos of HLL go in #hll-videos

[old dagger]

He does good at making it interesting though

[wide escarp]

Americans and playing simulations of the most horrible conflict in human history for fun, name a more iconic duo

[old dagger]

That doesn't make sense at all but whatever

Americans can never get enough of war

[wide escarp]

I Flipping love Hell Let Loose

[wintry thistle]

No nation can

[wide escarp]

There’s like, a lot of nations that are not very war-like

[old dagger]

Except Switzerland

[wide escarp]

But that’s kind of a privilege

[wintry thistle]

Most nations have been forged through war

[old dagger]

Tell me something I don't know

[wintry thistle]

Every single culture has engaged in warfare

[wide escarp]

Yeah human history is an extremely bloody rag

I’m not arguing that point

[old dagger]

I know It's kind of the whole deal of the game sooner or later you're gonna get invaded

[wide escarp]

I’m here to talk smack on other HLL teams

Is this like a saloon where all the comp teams sort of run into eachother

[old dagger]

Remember class no posting videos in the dedicated hell let loose server and to be polite and respectful

Even though those videos are hell let loose content

[wide escarp]

Polite and

What in tarnation

[old dagger]

That moderator is a lovely

That moderator is a lovely

[slate canopy]

A lovely what? 🙂

[old dagger]

A lovely person lol

Is this what you do all day Watching what people text

[slate canopy]

I don't think we have a place like that in here - we try to avoid clan/player drama in here.

[wide escarp]

Which of you yellow bellies plays on competitive teams?

Oh

[old dagger]

Watching what people text Don't they have bods to replace you

[slate canopy]

Nope, I have a full time job. I'm just chillin.

[old dagger]

Good you have a job thank god

I'm glad you're working America's got real lazy and it's sad

[wide escarp]

Where can I go to find inter-clan drama? I have a bone to pick

[old dagger]

I'm just bored and chilling

Probably go to clan text

[wide escarp]

Americans work pretty long hours tbh

[slate canopy]

I'd just say leave it in your clan's discord.

[wide escarp]

Inter clan

[old dagger]

Not gen Z.

[wide escarp]

Meaning between two clans

[old dagger]

My family owns a business my god they are horrible

So if I post another hell let loose video you're just gonna take it down

[slate canopy]

Just post it in #hll-videos and link to it here.

[wide escarp]

That’s the kind of elegant solution I’m looking for

I came in here months ago and found a good unit, now I’m looking for the unit that got all my men killed tonight

[old dagger]

U listeing to the poet

I doubt you'll find them

You were typing but then you stopped

And I already posted a video in there and it's not squad 44

Well see you guys later

[wide escarp]

Anyone in here belong to the 2/6?

[real parrot]

No maths pls

[wide escarp]

spits directly onto the saloon floor I said

2/6

I’m calling you out

[old dagger]

It's very easy for somebody to say something when they're not saying it directly to their face And I doubt you'll find this random unit

Sounds like a skill issue that you lost

[wide escarp]

I wasn’t there. Nobody answered when you said See you Later but gn

[old dagger]

Bye

[ebon fable]

Squad is for noobs like you who couldn’t hang in HLL

[analog apex]

unlock your squad or go play CoD/BF! xD

[arctic rampart]

What are these terrible af takes from people, jeeesus

[analog apex]

!admin, Solo locked SL is in solo locked squad and won't anyone get in

😛

Btw., I suppose we have no idea when at least roughly the 17.1 will release?

[glossy echo]

hello everyone

HLL is fun

[nova pivot]

Hello

[gentle lintel]

!admin he took my truck

[oak current]

!truck he took my admin

[eager hornet]

i put a clean attack gari up right behind their point and everyone was focused on defending
we actually failed to capture a point bcs too many people were defending? this isnt the HLL i was raised on

[nova pivot]

My! truck admin he

[finite berry]

Finally someone with the important questions

[nova pivot]

Can you choose? I have to accept whatever life throws at me.

[worthy charm]

Im gone for a few hours and then the takes in here get funny...

[worthy charm]

Average german already preparing bread and onions.

[midnight nacelle]

#off-topic-mess-hall message

[full sky]

My Thoughts on the Bipod System in the PTE:

If this update makes it into the main game, it will make machine gunners absolutely useless. In competitive Hell Let Loose, MGs rely heavily on the ability to rotate while mounted on rooftops, chimneys, and other strategic positions. Removing this functionality effectively destroys the tactical value of the MG class. Please reconsider this change — it removes any meaningful reason to include an MG in a squad. If it goes live, dedicated MG players will likely disappear from HLL competitive play.

Another issue is the new mounting mechanic: you now have to look slightly downward to deploy the bipod. Previously, you could mount while looking straight ahead, which was far more intuitive. While this isn’t as game-breaking as the rotation issue, it still feels like an unnecessary downgrade in usability.

[cosmic pilot]

Gosh please yes

Most rooftop positions in comp are banned anyway

[arctic rampart]

Wait, what do you mean? Why can't you rotate? Isn't that the exact thing they upgraded?

[north oracle]

@slate canopy how are you? it is the weekend now 😊

[full sky]

No, you're completely stuck when it comes to rotation on chimneys, rooftops, and similar positions even on some Fences — this is not an upgrade, it's an absolute downgrade. On spots where I previously had around 180 degrees of rotation, I now have barely 5 degrees.

[sudden tulip]

most positions are banned from comp? let me guess, you are not a comp player and you do not know what u are talking about xD

[oak elbow]

the new update is a disaster. it makes no difference for average players. but comp is fu**ed again. and the comp scene has kept this game going for years.

[cosmic pilot]

i just have zero respect for it

[atomic widget]

guys which game mode do u prefer the most, warfare or offensive?

[pine ember]

Offensive, but its rarely played

[arctic rampart]

Warfare and by far

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[atomic widget]

Why say that?

[covert elbow]

anyone got photos of the new DLC?

[nova pivot]

I do

[arctic rampart]

Cause I like warfare?

[slate canopy]

Sorry I was asleep! 😴I am ready to play some HLL and maybe some other games with my buddies 😄

[urban laurel]

100%

[covert elbow]

Man that new ranger uniform looks really bad

Also is Jerhico having a midlife crisis? I’m genuinely getting worried about the guy

[urban laurel]

The New Update Is a Step Back for Competitive Players

As a long-time competitive player, I have to say this update feels like a slap in the face for everyone who takes the game seriously.

Medic Class:
While it’s great to see new abilities like improved revival notifications, the XP and points system is way over-tuned — it hands out far too many rewards for minimal effort. But that’s not even the real issue.

The core problem with the Medic remains untouched: AMMO.
Medics are still severely limited by their ammunition count, making them nearly useless on the battlefield. This has been the main complaint from the community for a long time — not abilities, not XP, but AMMO. Without enough bullets, the Medic can’t stay in the fight and ends up being ignored by players who want to make progress or contribute meaningfully.

MG Class:
Please don’t do this. For casual players, the changes might not seem drastic. But for competitive players, this update fundamentally changes everything. The MG is now the new “old Medic” — overburdened, ineffective, and frustrating to use. It has gone from a powerful support role to a liability in competitive settings.

In conclusion:
This update might look good on paper, but it completely misses the mark for the competitive community. Ignoring long-standing balance issues while introducing changes that break core class dynamics is not the way forward. Please listen to the players who spend the most time mastering your game.

Greedings Tinky - BFTB

[covert elbow]

Oh god are we going to be getting a ton of “comp scene is dying” posts? Who sent out the mass request for this

[median wagon]

the biggest problem is, that if comp HLL dies the game will go down aswell

[left citrus]

expose yourself to computer scenes in a sensible way

[covert elbow]

Medics aren’t meant to kill. They’re meant to heal and revive. If you see an enemy as a medic then let your squad know to take them out and don’t focus on killing. Each bullet you spend is a bandage or life wasted on the battlefield

[covert elbow]

The games already been dead for years. Comp is the last dying breath of tryhards and sweats who don’t want to see meaningful changes made to the game and want it to stay in an unfinished state

[median wagon]

if you think about it:
you run to the position where your mate got shot. Sounds stupid right? but this is the class you are requesting
the only reason for a medic is if he can refrag and revive. and because of that you need a medic with a weapon

[covert elbow]

Once again, if there is an enemy that shot a friendly and your trying to get to that downed friendly, ask another solider to lay down suppressing fire to pin that enemy down

[naive ferry]

Medics cause death

[urban laurel]

@mild ibex If there's too much spam, it's important that this still gets seen ❤️

[wooden zenith]

8008135

Muh muh make me happ-ay

[wintry thistle]

What are they changing about MG

[polar prism]

I actually like the new medic system

Being able to call for a medic and a medic being able to let you know he's coming

[worthy charm]

There is a problem with the new mg system?

Even Sam liked it and if someone is critical of the game its definitely him.

You can give some more detailed feedback/information on the problems you see in #1343078597333745724

[full sky]

#mess-hall message

[urban laurel]

Sorry, I don’t know Sam personally, but surely one critical voice shouldn’t carry more weight than the entire HLL competitive community.

For anyone who doesn’t know what this is about:
Please read the patch notes from the experimental server and try it out for yourselves.

[analog apex]

like what are you guys talking about

the new MG deployment is a huge and objective upgrade

[urban laurel]

Community > Sam or Sam > Community? 😄

[analog apex]

community is not just comp and yet I fail to see how it is going to hurt the comp either

[worthy charm]

Im only a filty casual, but I cant really see any problems either. It makes the MGs better and easier to use

But again but it in #1343078597333745724 or the devs may miss this feedback

[urban laurel]

The rented servers live and die with the competitive scene — no comp scene means no (or barely any) playable servers. 😉

[old dagger]

Squad is harder and more realistic and historically accurate and harder to play because it's a historically accurate if you think squats for noobs you're wrong hell let loses for noobs between The tickets and how you play, hell let loose is a arcade game that you don't care what happens, I wanna a milsim but you can't play a milsim If it's like an arcade And when People don't care if they're gonna die.

[analog apex]

I used to be a comp MG, always on the tops. I know what I am talking about too. Despite I don't do comp anymore, I have plenty of comp matches as MG behind me. And regardless comp, I can say one thing: the current MG deployment has been extremely limiting, and unrealistic at the same time.

The new bipodding system addreses it and makes it logical too.

[finite berry]

Sorry mate, but that's really nonsense. Squad is harder than HLL. If one of both games is for "noobs", it's HLL.

[finite berry]

You used to be a comp MG. I used to be a camp MG. We are not the same.

[analog apex]

obviously we are not

I used to be top comp 😄

[finite berry]

❤️

[sudden tulip]

its logical to you that after mounting the MG you cant look left to right? boy o boy

[worthy charm]

Thats a good one

[finite berry]

Can't look or can't turn?

I thought free look was a thing now?

[analog apex]

it is logical to me that I won't expect it to work on a such spot when I know my body would have to be in the air, mate

[sudden tulip]

sry, can't turn

[full sky]

I dont know if this is the right way to Moderate a Topic

[finite berry]

Does that mean the MG is fixed to look at one spot after having deployed the bipod?

[sudden tulip]

for most positions it seems that you are only able to aim vertically but not horizontally which breaks MG gameplay completely.

[finite berry]

I see

[nova pivot]

I agree

[analog apex]

The new bipod system follows common sense - does the position look like it should work? If the common sense says yes, it works much better than the current one. Don't expect to be flying your body around the bipodding spot anymore = logical and good thing. Or you srsly disagree?

[finite berry]

But wouldn't they fix that? I mean, like you said, it makes MGs unplayable when deployed

[worthy charm]

Am i not allowed to laugh at a joke? 😅
But again put your feedback in the channels that are made for it, then a dev can find it and maybe change the system according to your informations.
-> #1343078597333745724

[median wagon]

it is common sense that a MG cant shoot form a fence or a church right?

[analog apex]

what do you mean? I tested both a fence and the churches. Worked like a charm.

[finite berry]

Forgive him, he's German, he doesn't know what humour is.

Problem is that so we are German. 🤔

[molten sail]

Agree

[worthy charm]

For a dicussion about the PTE, I would suggest going into #pte-17-1-discussion, again so the devs may see the feedback.

[worthy charm]

Damn my forefathers... I could have been born in a better nation. (france)

[wintry thistle]

Comp players are saying 360 degree MG bipod is bad?

[sudden tulip]

Well I certainly hope so, but I would not count on it.

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-11403402916845629606

that's the greatest nonsense I ever had the displeasure to read :D

[sudden tulip]

360 degree MG bipod does not exist in the game

[analog apex]

These so called comp players are afraid only of 1 thing - that their old (and unrealistic bipodded) spots are not going to work anymore. They don't care that the game is getting more realistic and logical, they just want their favourite spots to keep working.

At least so it seems.

[wintry thistle]

Isn't that apart of the dev blog

[finite berry]

Mind explaining to me what once was and what now is new? 🙃

[sudden tulip]

maybe, but it does not work on the current PTE

[wintry thistle]

I see. Well it's possible they'll fix it

[analog apex]

You have the EXPLORE mode in PTE for that.

I spent hours exploring various maps and places with the MG class yesterday, and I was pleased almost everywhere. I found just a very few problematic assets that didn't work.

[finite berry]

No, I meant in regards to MG bipods, haha

Why are comps mad at the changes? And why do you think there is no problem?

[worthy charm]

As long the devs dont patch my favorite AT gun spot. https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1369090475205722232

[urban laurel]

I believe the focus should first be on fixing truly important issues in the game — like the hacked “HEAT MAP” plugin or ongoing performance problems. Or simply listening to the community and giving the Medic 2–3 extra magazines, instead of constantly changing core gameplay mechanics!

[finite berry]

Why would the medic need 2-3 extra magazines

Dealing damage is not what a medic is there for

[worthy charm]

It only got like 2 or 4 currently

[sudden tulip]

so the class becomes viable maybe?

[finite berry]

Thanks

[finite berry]

Yeah, but just buffing its combat effectivity won't make medic more viable, it will only turn it into a glorified rifleman

[worthy charm]

Makes it a glorified rifleman in my opinion... so truly viable indeed.

[median wagon]

just think about it:
you have someone who is forced to run into the place where your mate got shot secounds befor. you need to kill to be even able to revive or you just suicied yourself

[finite berry]

As if the medic couldn't do that yet; it's not like it's unarmed

[urban laurel]

Yeah, in real life they obviously gave the Medic just two magazines and said, “You’re the doctor, you’re here to heal — might as well throw your weapon away, because you're not allowed to shoot back when your squad gets hit.” 😂 Irony off

[analog apex]

I already said why there is no problem, but here are the things:

• the new MG bipodding system allows us to bipod everywhere on any geometry and not just on the manually designed spots by the devs.
• when aiming high, our character takes cover pretty much, making us a harder target and** a way to hide without un-bipodding**
• when there is a room around the bippoded asset, we are able to make even 370 degrees big angles now, not possible with the old system
• it is possible to deploy bipod the way one would expect even when standing on the roof - in old system we are forced to look into the skies or into the ground, making the deployment spot useless

[nova pivot]

Just make secondaries useful and make them oneshot at 15 meters or less

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/fallacy-gif-18656526

[cosmic pilot]

yes, irl they gave the medic no magazines

[finite berry]

I see, thanks for explaining :D

[molten sail]

Should make it so that if you get wounded you can't play the game for 4-6 months aswell

[finite berry]

If you get killed, the game uninstalls itself

[urban laurel]

For pistols: Typically 2 to 3 magazines, sometimes more depending on the situation and personal equipment.

For a carbine: A small supply of clips (stripper clips), usually around 30–60 rounds — that’s approximately 6 to 12 clips with 5 rounds each. 😄 2nd ww german medic ^^

[finite berry]

But you can buy it again

Hyper realism for players and infinite money glitch for T17

Win-Win :D

[analog apex]

I wouldn't mind medics having 2-3 more magazines depending the faction/weapon. But they need to keep the weapons they have now and not get any new. I wouldn't consider it a medic overhaul at all though - won't make anybody to wait for the medic at all which is the main problem.

And if a new weapon, non-scoped Springfield for the US one at most 😄 .

[finite berry]

exactly

[urban laurel]

The big issue right now is that, as a Medic, you can’t even refrag properly.
The new Medic workaround combined with just 2–3 extra magazines would be perfect!

[finite berry]

I've said it already yesterday, but the problem with the medic mainly isn't on the medic-side, but on the non-medic-side

[worthy charm]

Medic should get a STG to make it viable.

-# /s

[urban laurel]

at gun pls 😄

[worthy charm]

That would be wyld. 😅
I know someone said medic should get mgs on here...

[covert elbow]

Comp players genuinely confuse me lmao

They consistently have some of the strangest takes I’ve ever heard. And that’s coming from me

[analog apex]

Like... I hope the devs won't cater them in this specific MG case because what they are saying is just plain stupid.

[old dagger]

I disagree This is more like an arcade and not a milsim

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/violence-cat-attacking-gif-24912080

[analog apex]

Like... guys are angry because they can't fly with their prone characters around the bipodding spot anymore. What a bad joke is that kind of MG-related feedback? Honestly!

And they even add pictures of it, lying on the 2cm wide fence and complaining it doesn't work anymore 😄 .

Jokers truly.

[covert elbow]

I just want accurate ammo counts to fit the ammo pouches on the solider

So if you want 2 more mags on a medic for the US give them 2 carbine pouches

[covert elbow]

Lmao

Like I said. These guys want this game as broken and unfinished as possible so they can break it all

[covert elbow]

It’s neither. It’s just an unfinished name

[analog apex]

yep, I am sure they would start revolting if the rocket sniping was removed too

they wouldn't care it's not supposed to be possible at all to begin with, the same as in the case of the new MG bipodding

[covert elbow]

Ladder sights for the bazooka when

[worthy charm]

un-finish-ed🇫🇮

[nova pivot]

Finland confirmed 🗣️

[worthy charm]

As if I know anything about that, im just a simple mod

[ebon fable]

Get a life

[nova pivot]

Don't try to fix your mistake, you've already revealed confidential information.

[empty steppe]

Did… someone say…. FINLAND 😉

[covert elbow]

Nice response. Your YouTube life coach give that one to you

[nova pivot]

Findcific 🏝️🏂

[finite berry]

Finding Pacific; third movie after Nemo and Dory

[vale garnet]

The new MG system suuuucks ngl

[analog apex]

Or the players suck as they refuse to re-learn the system. It is a complete overhaul, don't expect the broken stuff to remain broken.

[vale garnet]

Or maybe it’s just not as fun to have to only mount on fences

[analog apex]

you can mount on everything with this

as long as there is space... logically

[vale garnet]

logic dictates restricting the range of motion of a bipod because you're mounting slightly wrong on a wall is stupid

[analog apex]

not a reason to keep using the old system

[vale garnet]

Old system is fine you just have to fix the head glitching 😂

[worthy charm]

Not at all... The amount of things you coulndt mount on are insane.

[analog apex]

so... it's fine when we lie down prone on a 2cm wide fence and expect it to work as a proper MG position in that stance at the same time?

and that our body can rotate around the bipodding spot, while our body/character staying fully in the air?

because that's exactly what the most of the MG bippoding is centered around in the old/current system

[vale garnet]

It doesn’t bother me at all

[oak elbow]

don't bother @vale garnet . devs never listen to the veteran players. maybe take out left lean too. it's better than right lean. and you can't get into any more bushes.

now we have an absolutely useless mg that can't move and doesn't just get headshots in comp insta.

it doesn't make any difference for public. you just pop the blue ones with another weapon. and in comp another good mechanic has gone.

it's best to wait for a new map that nobody will play

[analog apex]

here we are

so in short, advocating for a broken old unrealistic system

[oak elbow]

don't need realism. play millsim games if you want. it's good old arcadish hll. and its good!

[past veldt]

Is the MG update bad? Haven't looked at it at all

Is Roy Nelson nerfed? 🙏

[craggy steppe]

A game can have realistically functional things without being milsim

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-19055033

-# /s

[oak elbow]

it's not a nerf. it's more patching out of the game. after 2k h as comp mg, i'd say it's the new medic.

[past veldt]

It's a shame. I think T17 are technically good devs. They seem to fix things we've been told are impossible, are making changes to RCON we were told was hardcoded, etc.

But the game design element is generally pretty lacking, across all of their updates... so if Roy Nelson says MGs are screwed, I'd trust it

There is a balance... some of the spots MGs use are pretty bad for the game, but also... having just read about some of the issues it really doesn't make sense from a gameplay perspective

[oak elbow]

true but alltime touch the base. we love the game. give us fr maps and cosmetics and we fine 🫠

[past veldt]

it's okay, tank rework coming soon

[worthy charm]

and new tanks

Dont forget those, daddy needs his TDs

[past veldt]

i'm not hopeful... 😄

I just don't know how they will fit into the game right now

They've said they're going to break out of the class system... but i have no confidence it will be balanced

[real parrot]

Fixing things is not T17 course of action

[worthy charm]

They did say its going to be TDs?

[cyan saddle]

I don't think they've given any hints

[worthy charm]

The dev stream was a time ago, not sure what they said...

[analog apex]

but you see they decided to make a whole overhaul didn't they?
that goes against that assumption anymore

[past veldt]

They said a new type of tank

[real parrot]

I want my hetzer so I can tutel around

[worthy charm]

FR!

[past veldt]

The only type of tank people have thought about is TDs

[real parrot]

Imagine they add SPAA , honestly a wirbenwind would be fir

[cyan saddle]

They're adding the Autoblinda AB41, isn't that right @oak current 🤫

[real parrot]

🤢

[cyan saddle]

Careful with what you say about the blinda in front of the Berg

[real parrot]

Only worst thing than that are french tanks

[silk igloo]

flamethrower tanks were in the kickstarter. gimme 75 meter range flamers

[analog apex]

as SPGs were 😦

oh and bicycles heh

I wonder how much fuel they would cost xD

[slate canopy]

🤔 5 per bike?

Imaging seeing this guy coming down the hill on Hill 400 on a bike. The AIR he could get.

[analog apex]

would need to cost ammo or manpower or whatever

[slate canopy]

how many bikes per map?

[past veldt]

Until they up the vehicle limit, adding new vehicles only makes the game worse

[real parrot]

There should be a separate vehicle limit for trucks and tanks/half-tracks

I dream of the day half-tracks are actually used as transports

[analog apex]

yep, they need to overhaul the vehicle spawning and presense system

[worthy charm]

Remember when BM said that heavy tanks are gonna be very rare? 😆

[analog apex]

Instead of limit of vehicles-at-a-time I would limit the vehicles per match, by type... for example only 5 heavies spawnable, only 8 mediums etc. or limit even by a specific mode, like only 7 Pz. IVs etc.

[analog apex]

yep 😄

maybe T17 will deliver? xD

MAYBE

but a few months ago I wouldn't dare to say it... however, now it seems they rly mean business. We'll see how the 17.1 will look like when finished first though.

when they decided and actually changed a whole system like bipodding, they showed us a signal that they can very easily choose to do any other system too

won't gonna lie though that in case of "medic overhaul" I expected a lot more

so it's a mixed feeling still

[worthy charm]

We will see what they do with the rest of the years time. Im satisfied with what we got with these changes.

[analog apex]

yep, me pretty much too. At least we can see SOMETHING is moving somewhere finally.

[wind shore]

Medic

[azure heath]

https://tenor.com/view/tuscanini-perfect-italy-gif-24592123

#removeheavytanks

[cosmic pilot]

Yeeeees

[analog apex]

I wish the server admins were given power to choose the vehicle rosters for the match... and their limits.

[azure heath]

Give power to the servers! Bring back the confede.. wait.

[analog apex]

then we could theoretically have also infantry only match

[azure heath]

As I tanker, I respectfully want that. Force me to play inf.

[analog apex]

xD

it was just an example, it could ofc be to allow mediums and lights only too

[azure heath]

lights only would be chaos and i'm here for it

[analog apex]

SQ44 has this kind of stuff much better setup

[azure heath]

servers should also be allowed to remove certain loadouts

[azure heath]

wish it didn't run like crap

[analog apex]

and look like crap

[azure heath]

good concept, bad delivery

[analog apex]

yup, sadly

[azure heath]

tbf, hll looks like crap too

but a more enjoyable crap

[analog apex]

HLL looks better

much more detailed environments

the places feel much more alive

[azure heath]

just comparatively to other fps games it looks pretty bad

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-i-prefer-my-opinion-to-yours-ussr-soviet-union-belarus-gif-27686525

[azure heath]

i like it

that's why i'm here

[slate canopy]

Is.. is this Sam praising the game a little? 🫨

[empty steppe]

💯

[analog apex]

when it comes to the environmental detail in HLL and its maps, I always praised them

just complained about the rest heh

[azure heath]

now give us buildable heavy mgs and i'll be set

[slate canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/shook-shooketh-shocked-gif-8417279

[azure heath]

changing the match times opened up a rabbithole of possibilities in my brain

[analog apex]

yeah...180 minutes is going to be great for seeding - no need to rebuild the garrison network after the match is over so often

I wish they made it fully customizable and not just 180 as the highest allowed number

For instance, in PS (SQ44) when we used to prepare for historical scenario custom events, we prepared buildables (bunkers, minefields etc.) even a day before the event so it was standing by at the ready.

We set the match timer to be like 999 😄 and waited till the event - and every FOB, and built structures, spawned vehicless... all were waiting for us.

[azure heath]

the issue is on map restart you get boosted up the list, so if you're at the same number of players as other servers you'll remain at the bottom and people tend to choose the top option

15 minute skirmishes imo would be better for seeding as people get to win and actually play the game

i see the point, but i'm not sure it would work

[analog apex]

yes, but the initial spawnpoints would need to be closer

[analog apex]

worked in PS

[empty steppe]

The British buff we need

[azure heath]

skirmish needs to have better spawns and a shorter "break period" between matches

[empty steppe]

Churchill crocodile rolling onto the battlefield would go crazy

[azure heath]

On Juno beach

[analog apex]

yep, otherwise it's counterproductive as a "fastest more accessible match" for casuals

[nova pivot]

L33

[empty steppe]

And if a rocket hits the fuel tank on the back it explodes into a massive fireball 😉

[azure heath]

it would be perfect if they make it work better

also shorter spawn timers

[analog apex]

would be easy if they given more power to the admins and via the Rcon tools

[finite berry]

(Squad 44 has that)

[analog apex]

maybe they will do eventually... one would never think the HLL devs would give the admins any power to adjust the match timer either... we'll see

[empty steppe]

Very aware

[finite berry]

(not Churchill Crocodile, but the Ronson)

[empty steppe]

Well yeah lol

[azure heath]

and is it just me or are the skirmish maps excessively large

especially for maps such as carentan

[analog apex]

just the parts between HQs and objective... useless big space

[empty steppe]

I still want a multiple objective game, where there’s two for each sector

[analog apex]

reminds me of the old OFFENSIVE (that's how it used to work in the past)

[empty steppe]

It would spread it out a lot more and make it feel more realistic in my opinion

[worthy charm]

Someone metiones S44, Elise:

Awww it aint working...

😢

[analog apex]

you broke it! 😄

[finite berry]

https://tenor.com/view/streched-gif-21513890

[azure heath]

I would be interested in this kind of setup for skirmish:
HQ | O | HQ
O | | O
HQ | O | HQ

[empty steppe]

I still don’t understand why half the people on here can post gifs but I can’t 😅🤣

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-bird-putin-gif-16366141

[analog apex]

interesting.
Wouldn't work on all maps, depending on the presence of compounds and cover but still... there where it would work, would be... interesting 🙂 .

[azure heath]

multiple capture points in a sector, maybe even 3, or even something like battlefield conquest

[analog apex]

Best for the Carentan, Stalingrad, maybe Kharkov... more for town maps

[empty steppe]

Objectives you have to destroy or defuse would be nice, kinda isonzoish

[azure heath]

that's the new gamemode

objective

[empty steppe]

Wow they actually listened for once

[analog apex]

I wish 1 sector wouldn't be limited to 1 strongpoint. One sector could easily have more strongpoints if there are some places that would fit them. Even if WARFARE.

[azure heath]

but mixing that into the already existing maps

[empty steppe]

Yeah that’s what I was saying

2 for each would be a lot better in my opinion

[analog apex]

couldn't be uniform-wide though... if some sector is just open fields, having 1 SP is enough

[empty steppe]

True very true

[azure heath]

tanks like fields

[analog apex]

aka Southern Edge

[azure heath]

not that one

[analog apex]

But Westbend... could easily fit another SP at those 2 barns south of the current SP

[empty steppe]

This would also allow for both teams to hold a sector which would be weird

[azure heath]

you just have to hold both to continue

otherwise it would act like an uncaptured sector

[empty steppe]

Yeah that’s would spread the fighting out more

[analog apex]

wouldn't be necessary

if the enemies were inside them, they would have counter-capping power

so whoever holds the sector... holds the sector

[azure heath]

hmm

i was thinking they would act as two seperate objectives that you have to hold seperately

[analog apex]

for example if GER would cap the sector using only 1 SP while there were no US in the other SP

[empty steppe]

That would make more since to me

[analog apex]

in that case I would separate them into 2 sectors

honestly, I would change the whole sector system - not to have exactly 15 sectors per each map anymore and no square shaped anymore either

[azure heath]

sectors shouldn't just be circles, they should be able to shape into what the actual objective is

[analog apex]

sectors should follow borders of compounds and cover and have different sizes

[azure heath]

like the church on sme should only contain the church and its fortifications

make people have to actually fight their way in instead of cheesing it on the outskirts

[analog apex]

exactly

an idea I was working with in the past:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625321517487489034/1378439866177683496/TacMap_Foy.jpg?ex=683c9baa&is=683b4a2a&hm=dc4109a1bcd477200932cb4099a210dbfb41700ad1255da70077c378b7b291e1&=&format=webp&width=960&height=960

might be an extreme though 😄

[azure heath]

i like it

[analog apex]

the plan was to make it more like CoH... in a way

[azure heath]

it makes the capture points feel like they're actually worth taking

and not the same crap over and over and over and you get it now

[analog apex]

yep... with this many sectors, it wouldn't be possible to predict how a match would go

today we can predict it pretty accurately... way too accurately

[azure heath]

this would make for a much better offensive than warfare imo

[analog apex]

probably - would be too much to keep in mind in WARFARE if it was possible to retake everything - could be a mess
but capping it just 1 way... could work

[azure heath]

i worded that weird, both improved but offensive drastically

[azure heath]

yeah my exact thoughts on that

in offensive you could even add targets you have to take out and destroy

[analog apex]

and no more all go into 1 objective... 1 squad here, other squad there, we will let them to get this one but fortify that one...

decisionmaking

and no server deciding the objectives setup anymore - the team would as they would go

[azure heath]

comp offensive could be slightly more plausible

[analog apex]

I always dislike OFFENSIVE, it's just way too similar to WARFARE. But this... yeap. Much more interesting.

[azure heath]

now.. seeding bots? yay or nay

[analog apex]

it's roughly what I expected from the original gamemode and when SMdM had 5x5 objectives, all capturable

[azure heath]

did not know about that

[analog apex]

yep, this was the original map of the original gamemode:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625321517487489034/1378443300721262703/HLL_map.jpg?ex=683c9edd&is=683b4d5d&hm=c45efd03bb4655a888a98f166fdf8ffb81370dd1d1bfe7bfccf8c498e45b6df6

(the strongpoints didn't exist yet back then)

and only 1 HQ per team, in the opposite corners

it virtually made the map even larger

[azure heath]

more like squad

i like it

[analog apex]

I did too... until they cut the side sector columns away from it and made all 3 1st sectors to be HQs

[azure heath]

but a frontline-like mechanic

bring back the side sectors!

[analog apex]

for a short time period, all ~~ 25 ~~ 15 sectors were in play:
https://clan.steamstatic.com/images/34012997/7ca3279b962d85484cc02d328005f40f310ce104.jpg

but then they decided to take away those too and make it into the state we have today - 1 objective per sector line

which is the most boring & repetitive gamemode we have today

[azure heath]

why did they do this to us

i guess they wanted more combat, but that's so dumb

[analog apex]

originally they said they cut away the side sector lines only until the transport vehicles will be in, so there wouldn't be so much running I believe

but then they just left it in that state forever

[worthy charm]

Whilst being extreme is would add a lot of variation, they even could add multiple of those caps at once.

[azure heath]

early vehicle limit probably killed that

[analog apex]

exactly, but then there was also the little but yet loud group of playerbase that said the player density would be too low

[worthy charm]

I miss the two cap offensive rounds

[analog apex]

...and the devs decided to cater them

[worthy charm]

Isnt it already kinda low?

[analog apex]

not rly, with 1 objective per row not at all

and especially not with strongpoints being a thing

WWII combat wasn't just huge army against another huge army, but a combat of a squad or two against other squad or two... and other s at some other place

not all in 1 place

[analog apex]

btw., in this state a team that captured 2 of the enemy HQ sectors, won

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/mirabeau-studios-hello-chat-gif-13721662710820809297

[analog apex]

when it was still 25 sectors, I believe it was 3 capped last line sectors that meant a victory

[nova pivot]

Hello Ninja 👋👋

[covert elbow]

What are we yapping about today

[azure heath]

how we hate this game yet still play it sometimes

[covert elbow]

So the usual

[analog apex]

yep

but again the usual... there is no any comparable competition WWII shooter that would be close to what HLL used to be (/was originally planned to be)

[nova pivot]

The game that @covert elbow It's going to create

[analog apex]

so no reason to move away until something new emerges

[covert elbow]

This is true

[azure heath]

hot take: i want that battle of Danzig Post Office map

[nova pivot]

Me to

[covert elbow]

I just need a small loan of WW2illion dollars to start my studio

[nova pivot]

Looks very good

[analog apex]

I would join you honestly

need money too though 😄

[nova pivot]

Do like the Stardew Valley one

[covert elbow]

What’s that

[nova pivot]

A game

Indie game

[covert elbow]

I mean

Yea

[nova pivot]

It was done by one person while his partner worked two jobs to support him.

[covert elbow]

But I have no knowledge of game making

Much less a realistic WW2 shooter

[analog apex]

me neither, but I have ideas xD

[covert elbow]

Same Kek

[nova pivot]

Don't back down now.

[analog apex]

but by God if the devs would give us modding tools, I would have do everything I could to learn and do it... as I did in KCD2 where I had zero modding experience to begin with too

[nova pivot]

Hire us as advisors T17

[analog apex]

I would probably want to restore the original gamemode, but with logical changes to prevent the bad stuff from those times happening

(like backcapping)

use local tickets I sing about so often 😄 , combine the stuff with nodes

oh and remake the loadout/progression system to provide more customizability but within realism restrictions

more squad types, limits of certain specialists, limits for specific vehicles, persistent ammunition circumstances, redeployment restrictions...

[nova pivot]

Add the L33

[analog apex]

what's L33

ah I see

(googled)

[nova pivot]

A beautiful little thing

[analog apex]

Yo moderator guys, the bot in the #1098158460463480842 doesn't work again 😬 .

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

Nah, sry no clue why is that happening again

[analog apex]

that's ok you can give me a manually too xD

if you agree ofc 😏

[worthy charm]

This one?

[analog apex]

yep

[worthy charm]

I did it already but just to be sure

[analog apex]

thanks!

[rancid moat]

Do devs look at suggestions?

[worthy charm]

They said so, they said the new russian map already is suggested.

[analog apex]

also the medic and bipod changes came from the bottom too

[worthy charm]

my best guess is https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1343025977319751741, because its 1943 and summer