mess-hall

[covert elbow]

*Good Fun Games Corp

[worthy charm]

Its even in caps on steam xD

[past veldt]

Guys, I broke this news to the discord back in the day

I know full well it's not Good Fun Games Corp, legally

[thin lotus]

BM’s lack of interest following the ip sale was really apparent

[past veldt]

It's Good Fun Games Ltd

[covert elbow]

Tbh it was apparent before as well lmao

They had this cool idea, saw how much work needed to happen; then quit seemingly

[past veldt]

Post 2021 release update schedule through all of 2022 was absolutely wild

In that they didn't release anything

[worthy charm]

Flamethrowers were after that?

[past veldt]

"Working on the handover to the new developers to ensure smooth operations"

Proceeds to release British update, the well received run speed update, and change development studio three(?) times

[thin lotus]

Cover 6 Studios 🤭
Appropriately named

[covert elbow]

No they handed it over to T17, T17 made cover 6 to work on HLL, then snapped it out of existence

Sarcastically of course

Idk what studio is working on the game now

Oh wait

No I got mixed up

Cover 6 is still around and was contracted for HLL. Expression games for made then shut down within a year

[past veldt]

"A separate development contract has been agreed to cover the transitional period over the next 18 months which includes delivery of services and significant content to support the next stage of growth in terms of revenue and IP value for the HLL franchise."

Wild that they said significant content

[thin lotus]

“Don’t worry, nothing will change with this transition” ad nauseum.

[past veldt]

In fairness, they were right

[thin lotus]

As if to imply that’s a good thing

Exactly

[past veldt]

To be fair, I think these current devs have solved a lot of tech issues

[covert elbow]

Oh wait a minute y’all

We got new Hunger news

[cosmic pilot]

What an unholy trifecta

[covert elbow]

https://youtu.be/FXJX933_hkc?si=NALWPV89S97wlLt7

Damn

[past veldt]

They're probably quite adept developers, they just have zero understanding of game design

[covert elbow]

As always with BM the guns look good but like wtf are these designs lmao

[covert elbow]

Yep

[thin lotus]

Face in thumbnail = I will not watch your vid

[covert elbow]

Agreed

https://youtube.com/watch?v=U-4p1ENkiE0&lc=UgxwtfnaKHLXikvmG9B4AaABAg&si=W57mYGGBCr0_vMYT

Oh god they got another one

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

It’s litteraly just HLL2

[finite berry]

Based take

[worthy charm]

With flamethrowers?

Would buy it then...

[finite berry]

And mortars?

[worthy charm]

maybe...

[thin lotus]

They went with “Hunger”

[covert elbow]

Oh my god the more I hear about it it’s just HLL

[thin lotus]

Deets

[finite berry]

Isn't it WW1, tho?

[covert elbow]

1:1 maps with IRL, weird trailer gameplay, barely any gameplay in the trailers, people praising the graphics but skeptical about gunplay…

It’s just ****ing HLL lmao

[covert elbow]

It’s in the napeolionic era

[finite berry]

Thanks

Can't watch videos at the moment 🫡

[covert elbow]

It’s a hunt showdown clone but in the early 1800’s instead of the late 1800’s

[thin lotus]

Make it pretty with good assets and it’ll sell hot

More creative room visually because people aren’t going to be scrutinizing irl uniforms

[finite berry]

Let's hope it succeeds then

More competition for HLL and a kick in the as s for T17

[thin lotus]

This’ll sell just on the basis that extraction shooter players are smooth brained

[covert elbow]

What?

It’s not a team game it’s an extraction shooter

[finite berry]

Oh, then I got that wrong

[covert elbow]

There’s no competition here lmao

[thin lotus]

So is hll

[finite berry]

Sorry :D

[covert elbow]

Real

[past veldt]

I don't think the WW2 vets playing HLL are going to be into Hunger

[covert elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-whatever-go-my-jerma-gif-13113563184974228262

[thin lotus]

Nu-Bm is going to distance themselves as far as they can from hll

[covert elbow]

I would as well lmao

[thin lotus]

Why would you ever deliberately try to let people know you have ties to hll lmao

[cosmic pilot]

Funny thing for a KS backer to say

[thin lotus]

Uh … huh?

[covert elbow]

This was in the before times so it doesn’t count tbh

[acoustic goblet]

Hello troops. Im relatively new to the game and looking for a squad to play with. Im scottish and will be pretty active if i find the right bunch

[past veldt]

#1343089641489961001 #console-looking-for-unit

[worthy charm]

Look into #console-looking-for-unit or #1343089641489961001

[acoustic goblet]

Appreciate it🤘

[analog apex]

blashpemy!

[wind shore]

Which tanks were on Pacific?

[nova pivot]

Shermans , LVTs and I think Stuarts

[wind shore]

Japanese

[wind shore]

And Japanese , I know they had 2 tanks

Light tanks and medium

[novel geyser]

it was a little pedal pike dressed up like a tank, one guy drove the other sat on his shoulders to operate the "turret" where he just shot fireworks out of

[nova pivot]

Fireworks? I thought they shot peas through a straw.

[novel geyser]

fireworks if they were lucky

early war it was fireworks but they ran out and had to use peas

[wind shore]

I don’t know how it was used

I love HLL weather

It adds immersion

Weather effects

[rocky bison]

Hey buddy I found if you purchase the 30th division dlc you can obtain the head scarf / head covering that way

I believe it was you I was talking to earlier about it

[novel geyser]

oh really?

interesting

[covert elbow]

Wait what? Really?

That has to be some kind of bug if so

[rocky bison]

Yup, I’ve just done it!

[covert elbow]

wtf man

I hate this game lmao

[rocky bison]

I thought I had to wait until it re opens the winter dlc but nope! For a small amount of pennies you can obtain that beautiful head covering

[rocky bison]

Type 95 was the most typical, but pretty ineffective, couldn’t really bring any bigger tanks to the battle due to most of the fighting taking place on islands

Was a logistical nightmare to transport large tanks from island to island, where as on the western or eastern front larger tanks could be hauled via trains that accommodated them directly to the front, smaller tanks like the type 95 were perfect for the islands terrain and to transport but easily disabled

[wind shore]

I’ve seen on Reddit, somebody mentioned that Pacific with current balance wouldn’t work, cause it requires asymmetrical balance and coastal stuff like water boats etc

• ship strikes, Japanese should get instead lack of tanks something to deal with Sherman’s

[maiden girder]

water boats are the best boats

[peak horizon]

Sure, but land boats don't sink as often

[rocky bison]

Yeah I don’t think it would run very well tbh, I was more interested in the idea of adding the Italians to the game as another axis force to play as, introduce them to the desert maps

[covert elbow]

Multi-factions when

[rocky bison]

Multi factions when?

I don’t understand, in the nicest way possible

[covert elbow]

It’s a suggestion of mine

[rocky bison]

Ahh Okok

[covert elbow]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1332624790690861106

[wind shore]

I think it's DLC

[wind shore]

Spanish for Eastern front pls

It wouldn't be definitely own faction or subfaction, they had the same equipment

[thin sequoia]

Just saw 3 people blow up beside me hugging the bunker, splattered their blood on my face, this game is cinematic as hell XD

[pine ember]

No

[wind shore]

Please

If they fought on the Northern front

[pine ember]

Still the Germans there were in majority

It was just one division in a whole Army Group which consisted of two armies

Only 15000 of them were at the front at a time

[wind shore]

Krasny Bor or Luga map

[pine ember]

Then yes

But if they add the North they could also add other more famous battles

[novel geyser]

I dont think there would be any harm in repping the spanish and hungarians in stalingrad, most people i see are default anyways

[pine ember]

The Spanish werent in Stalingrad at all and the Hungarians only protected the flanks, they were not in the city

[novel geyser]

Ah interesting

[wind shore]

Hungarians , Romanians were at the rear , and protected the logistic line to Stalingrad as I know

And after they fall back, and it’s became a circle

[pine ember]

The Hungarians and Romanians were wiped out during the encirclement

What they could do is making a free DLC for the Croatians, they were in the city

[wind shore]

I wanted to say about that Croatian were in Stalingrad

[pine ember]

Yes they were there

But even that was a small minority, I'd jsut prefer if they keep it as it is

[wind shore]

They were in the second battle of Kharkov also

[wind shore]

They fought in/near Mamaev hill or Mamaev Kurgan, in 1942, and Red October Factory

[fallen surge]

Hi everyone, we are a much smaller community of HLL players in South Africa, but we do have our own local server now and a friendly group of players. We'd like to play together most nights but Friday & Saturday nights seems to be more popular.

Players keen to join please feel free (there's also a Discord group):

Server Name: South Africa Let Loose

[pine ember]

Yes, as one of many units

[worthy charm]

Seeding please in #pc-seeding-help , if you want to make a division post to advertise your community take a look in #division-rules

[pseudo heath]

So, can AP shells from tanks blow up all structures now?

[novel geyser]

depends on the tank class I think
heavy tank AP can destroy everything or most things

[thin sequoia]

Is there any other way to figure out where a bullet is coming from? Half the time I feel liek whenever I get shot I barely know where they're coming from

[wind shore]

Binoculars

[sharp lily]

Pretty please can the 2nd Loadout for the British Support get a Sten considering the 2nd loadout for other nations get smgs too

[fallen surge]

And faster reloads for all British guns, pls?? 🙂

[sharp lily]

Speed loader on the Webley 😔

[fallen surge]

(please don't boot me, I'm new, but ...)

Is Team17 going to rethink the very loooooooooong respawn times? What's wrong with 15s for everything and 30s for halftracks??

[hearty juniper]

Does anyone know why my game is stuttering after the new update? everytime i look around too quick it stutters. Also when i move my mouse too fast on the menu same thing. Any fix?

[silk igloo]

would change nothing because the majority already presses W to their death over and over. it would just happen a bit more often

[novel geyser]

mainly just have to go off of sound, if you hear the shot that is. Its hard to spot people in this game and even muzzle flashes can be hard to see. Best to just not try and peak if you make it to cover

[novel geyser]

Garrisons are already extremely powerful and the only downside to dying is needing to wait and being set back a bit.
If you get downed rather than holding f pause and select redeploy, its much faster and then just hope you can catch the end of a respawn wave

[fallen surge]

there's a red flash on your death circle when you get hit, showing which side it came from.

[novel geyser]

yeah but if you arent hit I mean

[cyan saddle]

By that point it's already too late ^^

[fallen surge]

listen from where the shots are being fired, or just watching your friends die around you.

[novel geyser]

yeah thats pretty much what I said then lol

its hard to spot people most of the time so if you're getting shot at your best bet is sound

[worthy charm]

Spawn timers for halftracks are hilarious and then they even cost as much as a medium tank...

[fallen surge]

Missing a spawn cycle does actually make a big difference, especially in the heat of battle when you have to get back to the action and you're now waiting 40s to 60s go spawn from garries or haltracks. That's a loooooooong time in HLL.

[worthy charm]

Most spawn on outposts though😅

[fallen surge]

not when OPs are all gone. I just feel the long respawns can do with a revisit - IMO

[worthy charm]

Lower timer for commander could be cool... its somewhat sad that they have to wait so long no matter what

[cosmic pilot]

Half-tracks should be cheap and function as an op for a "mechanized infantry" type squad and have a 20 sec deploy

[worthy charm]

Its a small path because of at spam if you ask me

[silk igloo]

banging your head against the wall repeatedly does not work

[worthy charm]

That would be really cool

[fallen surge]

true, just makes me feel better when I vent. (also, you never know who from Team17 might be watching ...)

[cosmic pilot]

At this point, I'd be in favor of specialized squads over generalized infantry

[silk igloo]

yeah, then everyone can blame certain squads even more for not doing their job

[cosmic pilot]

Just give me my half-track squad

[wind shore]

Cool idea

#mess-hall message

[cosmic pilot]

Why stop at handguns.
Let people shoot any weapon when sitting in a vehicle

You think too small

[thorny acorn]

bazookas 🙏

[silk igloo]

3 bazookas in a jeep lets go

[cosmic pilot]

Small brain, small thinks

[wind shore]

I think use flamethrower inside the halftruck it's a bad idea

[cosmic pilot]

You're wrong

[wind shore]

imagining the commander who asked for reinforcment, and the team didn't get to the point cause somebody used fmw

[cosmic pilot]

I would make half-tracks not team spawns

I would make them mobile OPs essentially for a single squad

[worthy charm]

When are we getting a flamethrower halftrack? I know there were models with flamethrowers on the sides.

Would be pretty useless, but funny

[cosmic pilot]

Too op
200m range

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-gun-point-sniper-rifle-gif-16445332

[cosmic pilot]

I'm exaggerating a little bit
It's more like 140m range
Which is just about perfect for some assault ranges in hll

[wind shore]

they were in real this?

[cosmic pilot]

Yes, the vehicle mounted FT had decent range

More than 100m

For the record, I'd be in favor of ft vehicles with proper range

More vehicle variety in general is good

[silk igloo]

on second thought, maybe people would be more inclined to do those tasks if it clearly was their mission. people playing recon often just dont get the purpose of their squad, but some AT or half-track squad would be more intuitive. could do it half-way by letting the commander change squad designations so that all the blueberris get it too when they cant hear the commander

it'd just have to be in big red letters so people wouldn't miss it

[cosmic pilot]

In unorganized pub the role of the commander will always have to be supplemental to the team and not really controlling

It's partially a matter of expectations
Controlling commander in organized events works because people expect to be controlled.
People in pubs are well aware there is nothing forcing them to listen

[silk igloo]

yeah, i usually dont bother trying to control anything since it would take a lot of time to figure out which squadleads and their squads even can be trusted, i just spam garris and only note them of important things and let them take the initiative

[cosmic pilot]

But in general,
Give infantry at with real killing power to specific limited squads lol how recom works with the sniper.
Give everyone else at grenade launchers or hand grenades to disable tracks and subsystems but can only soft kill a tank

And not outright destroy it

[silk igloo]

but it would be easy if i could click on an officer on the map and set them on defense/attack, then everyone would blame them if they went AWOL and we lost the game

[cosmic pilot]

So you just want to pass on accountability

[silk igloo]

or just dragging them towards a point on the map that gives them and their entire squad a highlight there

instead of me wasting everyone's comms and blocking out important info within each squad

give the blueberris some "Mission complete!" fanfare like from Metal Slug when they do what i want, give them that dopamine hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSBBsUld8zM

[thin comet]

Ah good ole HLL conversations, that always end up on repeat.. it really is true, war never changes.😂

[cyan saddle]

Name checks out

[finite berry]

LOL

[thin lotus]

Support class is one of those things where they'd rather try to fix bad gameplay symptoms rather than the root of the problem.

[silk igloo]

It could be realistic and intuitive in a way, but all of that is thrown out of the window because of how easy it is to teleport around the map

[oak current]

is there a game where you only respawn at the HQ?

[fallen surge]

Mr Green Beret, HLL is not supposed to be just a shooter - there are plenty of games like that.

The stealth, suspense, 1-shot-kills, it's enough to keep you on the edge of your seat!!

Having said that, did I mention that Team17 should really reevaluate their looooooong spawns times??

[thin lotus]

Fixes and implementations of "new" things were always worse off than what was already present in game.
It's like opposite of "power creep"

[oak current]

even in ARMA3 they let Zeus teleport players

[fallen surge]

I did not know this!

[oak current]

but I assume spawning forward is meant here, instead of some DM teleporting people to the front

...I think Day of Defeat did that?

but...they also had 1/50th of a map size 😄

aaaah dod_kalt

[silk igloo]

There's already restrictions on where spawns can be built, who can spawn where, what the capture times are etc. It's just about tweaking them so that one click of a button isn't superior to everything 50 players worked together to accomplish

[wind shore]

Arcade games is too boring

[fallen surge]

Yes!! Whilst maintaining overal reward for strategy and battlefied awareness.

[oak current]

ah I thought you wanted no garrisons, since they let you teleport

nevermind then, misunderstood

[silk igloo]

go make a nest or something, it's that time of the year

[oak current]

?

easter is already over

[fallen surge]

it's not teleporting, its garrison redeployment.

[oak current]

well some people consider it teleporting and unrealistic

[fallen surge]

whatever Duke Nukem

[oak current]

?

why is everyone so hostile today

[fallen surge]

might have something to do with HLL spawn times ...

[oak current]

no idea, if hll spawn times would make aggressive in discord, I'd worry

[empty steppe]

I won’t be lol 🫶😂

Good morning people 🫠

[oak current]

havent even taken a side, just pointed out context info

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-are-you-serious-gif-24321050

Im fr not sure...

[silk igloo]

I wasnt being hostile at all. It's spring, birds make nests in spring. Anyway, I think everyone would enjoy the game better if the mechanics leaned more on the "frontline" it's supposedly about.

[oak current]

eh some people want the game to be more like A, some B, some C

[oak current]

ah I thought you were gonna go for option E there willes

[wind shore]

Parachutes 🪂 are good idea

[finite berry]

What do you mean "needs arcade", how much more should be there? Also, "trying to make games realistic makes them very boring" is just blatant nonsense; if that was the case, why is Squad so popular?

[thin lotus]

There isn't a more half-assed workaround in gameplay faults than HLL's airhead.
And holy hell what a stupid name for it too

[silk igloo]

just remove airheads, supply drops, make red garris buildable only in the first 200m into the red, and give players more tools and firepower to attack from the front.

i sometimes use transport trucks as portable cover to great effect

maybe even make garrisons free to build on a cooldown so taking them down means nothing if you cant hold the area

or make them free to build in locked sector only, something like that. hunting for spawns is just too efficient and dull

[worthy charm]

EA would have been an option, but there this game really doesnt need to be like bf5

[thin lotus]

In general, the teams' controlled territories actually have to mean something

[finite berry]

Because it's more appealing to the casual player and easy enough for the common idi ot

Doesn't mean that realism-focussed games are bad or boring

[thin lotus]

or maybe its just better

[finite berry]

nah

[past vortex]

ofc its better in some sense

technically, visual AND MARKETING wise

[finite berry]

Just because something is more popular doesn't mean it's automatically better

Being better or worse is always based on some principles and stuff

Is HLL the right game for you then?

[night lark]

HLL is pretty arcade tbf man. Its such a good compromise between milsim and battlefield imo

Have to say for what its worth id rather play squad than battlefield.

[thin lotus]

“Arcade” will always be the dumbest way to categorize a game.
Use actual descriptive words instead.

[night lark]

Arcadey. Thats a descriptor

[thin lotus]

It means nothing

[normal notch]

Nut 🌰

[thin lotus]

And usually synonymous with “thing I don’t like” especially if it’s coming from gamers who play “tactical” games

[finite berry]

It leans much closer to Battlefield than any milsim, but yeah, I agree. Plus, HLL is a nice stepping stone to guide players from arcade shooters towards more realism-focussed shooters and stuff

[finite berry]

Chum going pikachu face when people rate something based on their point of view depending on what type of video games they play

[night lark]

Meh it does. No ticket system, unlimited sprint, easily accessible gunplay, barely a logistics system, death literally has no consequence, auto fill magazines. These are all things youd find in more arcade style tactical games.

[finite berry]

Naturally, for tactical shooter players, HLL feels like a complete arcade fest

And for Battlefield or even CoD players, HLL feels like a hyper hardcore mil-sim

Perspectives

[finite berry]

*optional communication, grind, cosmetics

[thin lotus]

Mfw people who’ve never played the games they discuss and are trying to speak objectively about comparisons

[finite berry]

Point out where I'm wrong or shut it

[normal notch]

Would you rather watch a tree grow or a knee grow

[thin lotus]

You’re wrong because you’re talking about point of views and you yourselves have never played Hll , by your own admittance

[finite berry]

Then correct me

And I can still describe what HLL appears to be to me compared to the games that I play 😉

Dunno who here said it, but I think the description of HLL being an arcade shooter with a very shallow logistics system and one-hit-kill weapons fits very nicely

[night lark]

Ive played BF a lot, had nearly 1000hours in BF1 and maybe 600ish in BFV on console, got nearly 700 in squad and coming up to 1800 in HLL. Do i get an opinion? 😂

Not to mention the hours i put into gods own game, BF3 way back in highschool.

[finite berry]

Noshahr Canals 🥲

i've only played this map a few times on my friend's PC

had very much fun, tho

[night lark]

Anyway its makes no difference if HLL is arcadey (it is) or milsimmy (it isnt). Its a fun game with enough to keep you entertained for hours on end

And tbh unless youve played a lot of comp you have never played HLL to the maximum because public games are never at the intensity of comp games

[finite berry]

Artillery should get removed anyway

[wind shore]

[loud moth]

hey everyone

[finite berry]

hello hello

[wind shore]

Artillery is good

[night lark]

That is the point of comp. To test the teams skill, although iirc the first three ECLs ive played in arty was a valid target. I stand by what i say. You will never get a full set of nodes before the countdown timer in pub games nor will you get optimum garrison placement. In Comp it is expected and routine to get nodes before the countdown timer and garrisons are always planned

Pub games half the squads dont have an SL never mind talking SLs

[finite berry]

Just replace it with squad-based mortars

[loud moth]

hey is there a chat i can get some help in?

[finite berry]

Depends on it, what do you need help with?

[loud moth]

im looking help for making my game look good and run good

[wind shore]

Keep it in warfare

[finite berry]

Uuuh, I'd just ask here

[wind shore]

Or keep it on defensive team in offensive mode. Add mortars to offensive team

[night lark]

imo artillery should be s commander ability with mortars being the infantry IDF support

[thin lotus]

take player controlled arty out completely. This is the only acceptable solution

[silk igloo]

just because people keep dying at a fast pace doesn't make 3D tactics less viable. it's the opposite, where good positioning of an MG (and the enemy ignoring it) can decide a game.

[finite berry]

That sounds like a good idea, yes

[past vortex]

only thing you can do performance wise is adding the -dx12 command line option, that can improve gpu useage
game is mostly cpu limited, nothing you can do about that

[finite berry]

we agree for once; yippee

[wind shore]

Keep artillery at the defensive team in the offensive mode

[loud moth]

yea ok its just may game dosent look the best lol

[wind shore]

Add mortars squads , which are mobile groups

And would be useful for offensive team in offensive mode and warfare

[past vortex]

looks ok, ofc its not cyberpunk

[empty steppe]

I say just make arty a call in, and then mortar or arty halftracks

I’d prefer that over mortars

[wind shore]

Deployable mortars - just shoot, and move

Recon would be hunting them all across the map

[past vortex]

what an aweful idea

[night lark]

Do you have the specs to make the game look good? Like not sound like an arse but making HLL look good does require a decent GPU. I have a RTX3060 which runs it pretty well but ive really optimised mine for contrast and FPS

[wind shore]

Spotting the most likely position of mortar crew

[thin lotus]

Mortars aren’t happening anyway so

[finite berry]

sadge

Would genuinely be a good addition

[night lark]

You say this but then all the german vehicles have the wrong insignias and the Opel Blitz trucks are all Luftwaffe going by their insignia

[past vortex]

what makes you sure
they are simping for it hard, devs might cave in :/

[loud moth]

I have a rtx 3070

[wind shore]

Recon in chat! Get into cover

[thin lotus]

Mortars would be useless anyway. And the devs wouldn’t know how to technically implement it

[night lark]

And and milsim wouldnt have the fantasy webbing set up most soldiers have

[wind shore]

Sniper !

[night lark]

How would mortars be useless

[finite berry]

That is correct. I never stated it was. I only said that games can be realistic and fun while you said that realistic games are boring

[silk igloo]

Let mortars destroy spawns and they would be a game changer (as far as cracking strongpoints goes)

[wind shore]

Small mortar squad - 2 men, with deployable and mobile mortars , replace 1 recon squad

[night lark]

something like2/3rds of allied combat casulties were because of the german 8cm mortar

[thin lotus]

Forces also teleported across the Rhine, what’s your point

[past vortex]

wdym, they rhine is so shallow you can walk thru

[thin lotus]

Player driven mortars just moves the arty problem elsewhere.

[wind shore]

Maybe they came from the forests

The frontline not always straight

[wind shore]

I like Remagen

[atomic pendant]

peep the panzerchokolade wrappers lol

[silk igloo]

What if your sector wasn't capturable if you had at least 2 garris within the softcap, or what if capturing only kicked in if you had 6 or more inside the softcap

[atomic pendant]

As as a recon guy, mobile mortar squads would be fun to hunt down compared to artillery where you know exactly where they are at all times

gives us more to do than hunt garrisons and nodes while bonking arty once in a while

[worthy charm]

New sticker?🥹

[atomic pendant]

yea!

cracked out sniper

[wind shore]

It was the chocolate which boost speed, remove tiredness

[worthy charm]

The name😆

[atomic pendant]

lol

new stamina system

[silk igloo]

triangulate the enemy commander's position with radios and make him blip within the triangles whenever he uses abilities or comms? or rather, make the triangles blip. would require a new map overlay just for recon

[atomic pendant]

when bar gets low, eat panzerchokolade

[wind shore]

Panzerchocolate

[worthy charm]

But why is it spelled wrong? Its Panzerschokolade

[atomic pendant]

not sure I follow

[past vortex]

panzer schock late

[wind shore]

Or Kolaschokolade

[atomic pendant]

prolly cuz @visual niche is big dumb

[wind shore]

Yes, if I’m not mistaken , it was cola also

[atomic pendant]

honestly I think he got the spelling from me haha

and since I'm big dumb

[worthy charm]

@visual niche

[silk igloo]

to my understanding, if you got 3 radios, you can figure out if a signal is coming from within the triangle they make. Add in more radios all over the map, and you can make so many more triangles to find a more exact location

[visual niche]

I copied and pasted from what you sent me 🫠

[atomic pendant]

you mean outposts?

[worthy charm]

Ahhh now I already pinged him with a angry emote

[thin lotus]

Sure but it’s the same systemic issues. You have a group of dedicated players that are bombarding key points while another opposing group has to hunt them down. It’s opening up the possibility of being worse gameplay because now you’ve introduced a less predictable source of arty while keeping its effects the same. It’s the same loop just in different locations, while also potentially being more exploitable given the added freedom

[worthy charm]

I will just be mad with you both!😒

[silk igloo]

Yeah. OPs, Garris, halftrack. Could even include tanks and support players, since they all got radios

[visual niche]

You can probably change it lol

[wind shore]

Scho-ka-kola

[silk igloo]

So recon players would be staring at this network of lines and then getting highlighted triangles whenever the enemy commander "uses" his radio

[finite berry]

Excuse me but what lmao; if that what makes a game "simulator", you have no idea what a simulator is

[atomic pendant]

It sounds more fun to me than the current arty meta because of the mobile dynamic. There could be a better solution. I'm just saying I like mortar squads better than the current meta in theory.

[thin lotus]

Hlls players can barely grasp point and click on map m8

[atomic pendant]

I'm not sure what this has to do with what I was talking about though lol.

[finite berry]

And if you can't enjoy this game without it being more arcade, well, like I said, ask yourself the question whether this is the right game for you.

[wind shore]

https://tenor.com/view/milka-chocolate-milkachocolate-milkaschokolade-milkazarteworte-gif-20012558

[wind shore]

I’m gonna it you

[worthy charm]

I shall try that later.

[oak current]

...did you just reply to yourself Kedo?

[wind shore]

Yes

[empty steppe]

Let the man cook

[wind shore]

I was talking to this sweet chocolate

🍫

[oak current]

oooh fair enough then

[empty steppe]

Honestly yall making me hungry 😔

[past vortex]

eeeeeeeew

[atomic pendant]

Says CheeseCake

Thanks for making me want cheesecake

[silk igloo]

You'd have more to do as a recon then, hunting the commander. That's the point. Although the triangulation could be left to someone else and recon would just be given the info.

[visual niche]

Same I'm about to go get some now

[empty steppe]

Your welcome soul 🫡😭

I was just hungry one day when I was trying to make a name 😭😭

I should really change my pfp to it shouldn’t I 🥲

[silk igloo]

why do i suggest ideas to make my life as a commander horrible

[empty steppe]

It’s already bad as it is man

🍿🫢

[finite berry]

Dude, I never said that a game is good because it's popular, I actually said the opposite

At least read what I'm saying, Jesus Christ

[empty steppe]

I’m just go now ✌️😘

[silk igloo]

have you tried praying correctly

[finite berry]

Not yet, thanks for the hint 👍

[worthy charm]

There are no purple cows🥲

[wind shore]

I’m gonna eat BBQ 🍖

[worthy charm]

I learned that the hard way...

[empty steppe]

Just paint one

Problem solved

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/milka-cow-kuh-walking-schokolade-gif-24788541

[empty steppe]

Bet he makes purple milk too

Like how chocolate cows make chocolate milk 😁

[real parrot]

Hll its definitely not realistic, just hardcore and slightly historically accurate

[empty steppe]

It’s about the closest you can get when it comes to realism for a game, I’d put it and isonzo probably on the same level

[real parrot]

DCS is the max realism i've seen

[empty steppe]

Never heard of it

[real parrot]

With some packs DCS counts as fly hours for some pilots

[empty steppe]

Or maybe I just don’t have my acronyms right 😅

[prime panther]

Everyone see the new trailer from the original HLL devs for their new game???

[real parrot]

That one flying simulator where you take 30 min and 30 hours of reading manuals to start a figther

[empty steppe]

Uhhhh like the black plague one? From black matter?

[prime panther]

Yeah, Hunger.

[empty steppe]

Oh… that sounds so fun… 🤩

[finite berry]

Have you seen the Arma 3 (?) mod for realistic medics? 😅

[prime panther]

It's like a PvPvE Extraction game ala Dark and Darker, it looks pretty intense.

[empty steppe]

Looks alright

We’ll have to see if they can cook 👨‍🍳

[visual niche]

Nice pic haha

🤤

[real parrot]

I've taken a 3 hours intensive course on how to do basic first aid on them, and I can say Its literally the same as my first aid formation from FOL lol

[empty steppe]

I needed a change in my life from duel bazooka jeep 🥲

Okay bye bye fr fr I need to go do life 😅😂

[real parrot]

You can have this image as your PFP

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465453942145067/1364712269107298334/speechmemified_tankfly.gif

[thin lotus]

Commanders should not be able to place spawns.

Commander abilities are enabled only if they are inside the defensive zone’s SP

This:

1. Mitigates commander blaming with spawns, -a duty that should be on SLs working with eachother
2. Encourages people to be within the defensive sectors

[past vortex]

i strongly disagrre that commander dont have to build garries

they totally have to do almost all backups

[thin lotus]

Only because players are dumb and think it’s exclusively the task of commander. Any SL could do the same

[past vortex]

so the commander can idle?

[thin lotus]

?

[past vortex]

i really disagree

commander should be always in a truck

[thin lotus]

No, spawn building should not be their duty

That is done by the SLs

[real parrot]

Commander putting reserve garrysons while SLs fights for central garry positions is max efficiency

[past vortex]

what do you thin they should do ?

they certainly shouldnt fight

[thin lotus]

I’d like the complete removing of commander , if you’re asking me

[past vortex]

except the recons sometimes :}

[real parrot]

I liked the BFIV commander, still, I like more the Hll commander

[past vortex]

please watch a vid from valhalla that is about commanding, look how he builds tons of garries and still does all the other things
everything else is a lame excuse

[thin lotus]

There needs to be an element of risk and reward for their presence on the field.
There is a common complaint for the lack of defending in hll. Something as simple as needing the commander in the defense SP encourages players to also be on defense with him

[empty steppe]

Commanders role is to build garrisons, fight when they are needed, and call in things, can they build all the garrisons by themselves, no. So help them out

When I play I focus on building garrisons but it’s still impossible to cover everything

[thin lotus]

Someone explaining how they can do everything this simplistic game has to offer is not what I’m focusing on

[past vortex]

lol, they eigter listen to him or not
his presence doesnt change that

[past vortex]

that is what you should strive for
i sure do

[real parrot]

being close to the commander actually reduces your suppression rate, like that would do anything anyways heh

[thin lotus]

You’re right it doesn’t. But it does mitigate the blame from one player to now the whole team.

[empty steppe]

Honestly commander should be able to spawn on any OP

[past vortex]

oh it does same for medics and squad mates, still not important enough ofc

[empty steppe]

I don’t know why that’s not a feature

But, I wouldn’t say its just the commanders job for garrisons, like they are literally there to command people to do there job 😅

[past vortex]

ofc, and if you are an able commander you still build the garries on the side

[empty steppe]

And asking people to bring supplies and build garrisons is part of that

[past vortex]

ofc, commander should NOT go into forward positions, thats for SLs

but he should always have 8 garries

[empty steppe]

I have a bunch of experience with command and I would say the best commander is the one that makes sure everything is set up, and fights on the defensive point

[past vortex]

disagree

[empty steppe]

But he still can’t build all the garrisons

[past vortex]

ofc, if there is still downtime he can fight a bit

but thats rare

[past vortex]

not all, ALL bacup

[empty steppe]

Well if your ordering your troops correctly and make supplies accessible where they are needed early in the game, you end up with quite a bit of downtime

[past vortex]

its a waste of SLs if they move backwards to do the commanders job

[empty steppe]

That’s why you make it so they don’t

[real parrot]

Commander camping the defensive garrison so the recon doesn't destroy it while commanding is peak

[past vortex]

yea because you build the backup garries

[empty steppe]

Most of the time, people are happy to help put garrisons up

[past vortex]

if defensive garrison is in singular you are doing something very wrong

[thin lotus]

It’s been delegated as “their job” because they’re given the ability to

[real parrot]

The one in point, the other ones are just backup ones

[past vortex]

yea thats how you make best use of the game mechanic

[thin lotus]

Garry building should be on SLs

[empty steppe]

Later game it should fall on them more

It’s a 50/50

[past vortex]

what is that desire to free the commander of that??
what should he do with his time then ?

[empty steppe]

Anyone can do that job, it’s whoever is closest and available

[empty steppe]

Free the commander for calling in call ins, driving up trucks, planning attacks…

Everything

Buying tanks

[past vortex]

you do all that while driving the supply truck

[thin lotus]

Look, I get that hll players aren’t bright, but the suggestion is an attempt to better synergy of the team

[empty steppe]

Sir…

[past vortex]

what

[empty steppe]

Yk what, you do you 😉

[grizzled kiln]

I think the idea is good, but the players just don't have the iq to even handle the game as is 😄 So leaving more up to them probably won't work well.

[past vortex]

the discussion started about "dont blame the commander"
OFC i blame him if he spends the whole game looking on the map or fighting and there are not enough backup garries

[grizzled kiln]

Most people in pub play like it's BF lol

[past vortex]

he didnt do his job

[grizzled kiln]

SLs can make garries

[thin lotus]

He can’t seem to understand that

[grizzled kiln]

🤷‍♂️

[past vortex]

you dont say
so they should walk away from the fight so the commander has more time to look at his map?

[thin lotus]

People blame the commander for lack of spawns because he has the ability to begin with

If you remove his ability, you then place the onus back on SLs

[grizzled kiln]

@thin lotus yeah, you're right might be better off removing that ability and hope that people eventually get it 😄

[thin lotus]

Which in turn encourages better synergy among the SLs as to what need to be done

[past vortex]

i never said SLs dont need to build garries, they have to do all forward garries ofc

[thin lotus]

This is what I’m going for, though commander blamers can’t seem to understand this

[past vortex]

remove commander role then?

[real parrot]

Commander is the best one to build backup garrisons, and this is proven both in casual servers and competitive matches

He can do all commander things while also building backup garrisons

[grizzled kiln]

The way many commanders are playing in pub that would actually be good for the game 😄

jk, but not really

[empty steppe]

That’s real…

[real parrot]

When you take commander you are basically taking lead of the team, so anything that happens, be it win or lose, is on you. Ofc this only applies if the team actually listens to you

[grizzled kiln]

And often times they don't

[real parrot]

Same way SLs take the blame if their squad doesn't have a support, or TC takes the blame if its driver sinks the tank in a river

[grizzled kiln]

I'm in favor of taking abilities away from commander. Like vehicles, just have a set vehicle deck like in S44 and be done with it. Keep it simple.

[real parrot]

the responsibility of being a leader

[silk igloo]

leaders usually have means to enforce their will through things like military police. military police subfaction when

[real parrot]

Commander should be able to kick SLs from their role ofc

[thin lotus]

No

That’s stupid

[silk igloo]

If officers can elect another commander, yeah. Like in the olden times when kings were elected from their peers

[torn cliff]

hi guyz

[real parrot]

Nah that would take too much time and is also unrealistic

[real parrot]

It's both realistic and logical gameplay wise

[thin lotus]

No. One guy does not know best

[silk igloo]

Well we run into the same problem whether it's rogue SLs or rogue commanders. Whatever rules we make they're all undone by vice

[real parrot]

No one knows best, but the commander is the commander, same way the squad does what SL says, SL does what commander says

[real parrot]

That will always be a problem, but being able to quickly kick Sls will make the SLs actually listen to the commander more, or face the consequences

[thin lotus]

I don’t need some guy taking away my ability to place OPs from my squad, regardless of his intentions. That’s dumb af

“Always listen to commander” is also the most midwit advice ever

[worthy charm]

Commander always the startest person

[thin lotus]

There’s a responsibility of every player to be able to open up the map and discern what needs to be done regardless if one guy is saying “do this, do that”

[real parrot]

As I said, the same way the SLs can kick you off their squad, the commander should be able to kick SLs, making the role have it's actual responsibility

[silk igloo]

All fine and good as long as the commander is virtuous. But we cant make rules that uplift the virtuous over the wicked. That has been tried for ten thousand years. Although in a game we can always find a new one if we dont like the commander

[real parrot]

Votekick

[thin lotus]

Design for the worst. Hope for the best

[silk igloo]

Abused by the wicked to great effect

[real parrot]

It never rains to everyone's liking

Yet, giving the leaders an actual way to enforce their role is the right way to go

[silk igloo]

For SLs it's easy since anyone can become an SL or find a better one, so there's little problem in that. There's only 1 commander slot though and anyone can take it

although this is mostly theoretical since i've hardly ever met malicious people in HLL

[real parrot]

Yes, that's why some servers enforce a minimal level for playing commander and some rules that the commander has to obey

And before anything, the servers whiteout rules are the official ones, and we all know how they are

[torn cliff]

hey guyz i watched some clips of the game is it worth it still now just asking

[worthy charm]

Depends🤓

[silk igloo]

i was just writing something that starts with depends

[torn cliff]

depends how

[real parrot]

First of all, keep in mind that the developers don't care for this game and probably won't fix any error or unbalance, then if you like the game itself, sure

The best part of this game is the community, so I'd recommend finding a good comm server

[silk igloo]

If you can throw money at an FPS game and you happen to find people that talk, then yes, the first impression will probably be a good one.

[torn cliff]

yeah i play call of duty and some other fps ..

[thin lotus]

It’s on sale every other week too

[torn cliff]

i am from asia

[silk igloo]

thing about comms is that everyone on your team might be silent for 30 minutes until someone says "hi" and then everyone starts talking and performing better

it's always so funny when that happens

[real parrot]

I'm sure there are some Asian communities, but I don't know them

[torn cliff]

do you guyz play daily?

[thin lotus]

🤭

[real parrot]

I usually do a mic check on leader channels, and if someone doesn't answer and stays silent for 5 mins he gets a punish, 2 more mins and a kick

[real parrot]

Been playing daily for one year and a half

And I can tell you this game has so many flaws

[torn cliff]

but it looks fun .. i am at least gonna try .

[real parrot]

Yeah if you like you will enjoy it, as long as you find a good match/community

[torn cliff]

sure ..thanks for help

[worthy charm]

At the end it always boils down to this...

Also i didnt had time to write more.😅

[real parrot]

The hard part is findiing what it depends on

[worthy charm]

If you like FPS + teamplay with a mic. then this game is worth it.

At least thats my opinion, im just a tank Andy tho, so its not like I know anything 😅

[real parrot]

I'm also a tank

I identify as a Leopard2A8+ new generation

[past vortex]

there are even servers that kinda enforce that :D
ofc it goes very wrong often :}

[cosmic pilot]

🤨 📸

[wind shore]

I’m listening gaming music sometimes 🎧

While playing, and don’t hear the commander

[covert elbow]

Interesting chat to read this morning…

[wind shore]

Yes, I don’t have a subscription on the Spotify, I use YT for music

[cosmic pilot]

Just use yt music

[wind shore]

i use the usual YT, i meant not music

what's difference btw YT music and YT

Is it free YT music?

[cosmic pilot]

The interface

Yes

But with ads unless you have ad blocker

I pay the $10/month so I can use it on my phone without ads

[wind shore]

i have no ads, if i'm with out vpn

we don't have ads on YT

[cosmic pilot]

But it keeps the music videos from flooding your regular feed

[wind shore]

ah ok that's ok'

gonna download it, is it desktop exist for it ?

[covert elbow]

Lucky

YouTube premium for me is like $19. And that was a year ago

[wind shore]

it's just remove ads?

[cosmic pilot]

Not the whole premium, just the music premium

[covert elbow]

Ah

[cosmic pilot]

Pretty much

And you can download on mobile

[covert elbow]

I got Spotify for my music

They have a few more features i enjoy

[cosmic pilot]

YouTube music gives you a lot more control even without paying

[wind shore]

okay, but i don't need it rn

[cosmic pilot]

Yeah the quality is probably on average worse

[wind shore]

here there are no ads at all

since monetisation was off from YT

no advertisment videos, no ads

[cosmic pilot]

Imagine not having any purchasing power

[wind shore]

i'm mostly use YT

i had spotify , but it was free trial, it's updating every year

[wind shore]

You know how algoritms work

i've heard recently from popular blogers, that if video or reels going up for millions views, it should be hide, cause it's breaks, algoritm, and after it's disappear from recomendations of people

1 woman she told that she posted the video with out the mark of own language, and after her reels were on hype and got millions of views, but it were people from other countries, and they immideatly unsubscribe from her, cause they didn't understand other videos, and algoritm got stack, and she lost views on next videos and audience

i thought if your video upping to millions of views, it should stopped ( hide ) for the moment, as i understood

@hll

it's works not weird, but also i've noticed my shorts about HLL were raising, and after stopped at 1 moment.

I just hide this video, and after opened 1-3 months later

and views became raising again

[ocean rover]

How do you report a bug directly to HLL devs or whoever? This hot registration bug has been in the game for an unacceptable amount of time.

[visual niche]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1242767547321942036

[boreal holly]

would i?

[serene spear]

No.

[covert elbow]

Oh god what now

[wind shore]

?

[ornate pasture]

does this mean the jumbo 76 has a range of 4.2km? https://i.imgur.com/gdyf4a4.png

from e tool

[worthy charm]

Im pretty sure we dont got bulletdrop that would make this even close to necessary...

[cosmic pilot]

the maps aren't 4km long

get you're limiting factors right

[hexed radish]

Whats up with that bug of hot mics when you are not in a squad? - anyone know more

[past vortex]

only happens at game start somehow

not sure how it works

my guess would be that its a stuck prox chat but idk

dont you think the open mic stuff is rather urgent @fluid pawn ?

[worthy charm]

Theoretical the longest distance on a 2km×1.2km map is 2.3324km. 🤓

I believe not even on remagen you can shoot close to that far...

On remagen you maybe can shoot around 1,4km when standing on the cliff and then shoot into enemy HQ

[cosmic pilot]

you can't nerd react me
2.33km < 4km

[worthy charm]

I know that😂

Point is the sights are overkill and most likely dont even work correct

[past vortex]

damn thats longer than a football field

[visual niche]

@thin scarab

[worthy charm]

Why are now other people getting pinged?

Did I say something stupid?

[visual niche]

Papers done it

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[worthy charm]

UFF

[cosmic pilot]

and by it, ha ha, let me just say, my...

[visual niche]

Nice

[cosmic pilot]

you being cryptic af rn

blink twice if you're in trouble

[worthy charm]

Or send a plant emote🪴

[visual niche]

-# help me HLL Bots watching

[restive veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-gif-15896265707656155837

[worthy charm]

Full cat collection

A rare sight, those emojis are mostly forgotten...

[thin scarab]

Haha yeah its possible with good Teamwork and pings.

1567m on remagen

https://youtube.com/shorts/3dODaZiWgbo?si=1cHAZLtVhFhX3rZ8

[worthy charm]

Ohhh wait

You did it with a rifle😂 😅

Nvm

[thin scarab]

Hahahah no. With a AT gun

[worthy charm]

You scared me for a second

[marsh quartz]

Anyone shipping to MCRD Parris Island soon? DM me.

[wind shore]

You can shoot on SME, SMD, from recon tank to the enemy HQ and arty

From HQ to HQ

It’s a mathematics trick

PHL the same, from 1 HQ , you can reach the middle HQ of enemy team

It has trajectory

My longest rocket snipe ( not from tank ) , from Panzerschrek - 950 metres , to the enemy tank

Bazooka - 720 metres

[stoic garnet]

its easier to bully 1 guy in authority into building enough garrisons to win than it is to bully 6 SLs into building 2 garries each

[real parrot]

I ain't reading all that. Learn to use paragraphs if you want to write a novel man

Heh

[finite berry]

if he keeps this up he'll have the entire server blocked by Monday lol

[covert elbow]

Man idk how to even react to this lmao

Like I kinda get the point but I’m lost by the end

Seems the main issue is that garrisons aren’t placed. Not support

[real parrot]

Not everyone knows how to accept a critic.
Or use proper punctuation and paragraphs.

[finite berry]

Well, to be fair, his punctuation is good

There are much worse cases on the internet xD

[covert elbow]

Just need spacing and breaks tbh

[finite berry]

Also, wouldn't it be better to try to fix a class first prior to removing it? :')

[covert elbow]

Having a huge block of text definitely makes it harder

[finite berry]

Dude, I literally defended you, what is your problem?

[covert elbow]

Elise? A troll? You obviously haven’t been here long

[past vortex]

punctation spacing breaks all overrated

[real parrot]

My language teacher would have yapping about an hour and a half about how her eyes hurt from trying to read it

[stoic garnet]

Not many people here are trolls, and most that are just troll ninja

[covert elbow]

I mean the problem goes even more deep than support lmao. Supplies absolutely need a rework and how items are placed

[stoic garnet]

You seem like you played the game a bit and got really strong opinions

[finite berry]

With all due respect, but perhaps you should learn the difference between a "troll" and someone merely disagreeing with you before trying to educate other people

[past vortex]

not everyone here has played the game tho

[finite berry]

Well, to be fair, what doesn't need a rework :')

[finite berry]

:)

[covert elbow]

Needs an overhaul lmao

Story of HLL

[finite berry]

Should just be the game's slogan.

HELL LET LOOSE

That might need an overhaul

[real parrot]

Talking about how good (or bad) the game is without having played it is truly a human thing

[finite berry]

10/10 would immediately buy

[stoic garnet]

Real, on the other hand my takes are law, seeing as im the best HLL player

[covert elbow]

Can’t wait for the same things to show up in BM’s new game lmao

[finite berry]

haha

Watch T17 buy that as well

[covert elbow]

Kek

[real parrot]

That can't be, because I am the best Hll player

[covert elbow]

No that’s me

[real parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813465453942145067/1364712269107298334/speechmemified_tankfly.gif

[tender shore]

Could say the same to you, ever heard of twitter? Might fit in better their instead

[ornate pasture]

what? hell let loose has bullet drop 1000%

[worthy charm]

I doubt its realistic bulletdrop, so this sight might not even be useable.

[ornate pasture]

bruh

[worthy charm]

Plus you cant even shoot how far the sight might suggest you can.

Watch this its Art and by far the longest shot i know

#mess-hall message

[real parrot]

Hell let loose at least have tank bullet drop

I once saw a shoot that was so far that it looked like arty

[novel geyser]

I played a tank match on remagen sitting on the cliff firing across the river but players weren't rendering because of how far we were lol. Might have killed a few friendlies

[covert elbow]

Probably

Still don’t understand how BM saw that map and said “yea this’ll be good to add to the game”

Genuinely just the worst map in the game and it’s not even close

[vivid temple]

what map

[worthy charm]

Its playes good in public games... mostly because people in pub game are on a diffrent level

[shut jasper]

I think Remagen

[covert elbow]

Remagen

[covert elbow]

Not even most times

[vivid temple]

it's alright

[real parrot]

Remagen is boring, hill400 is hell, on the bad way

[covert elbow]

The “meat grinder” was cool the first 2 times but after that it’s just painful

Not to mention how it’s basically up to chance if your team wins depending job the 3rd point objective

[real parrot]

I've never played remagen as regular infantry, I leave that for the role-playing bozos. I camp with the tank in empeler lei all the game

[covert elbow]

At least you can maneuver on Hill 400 and can set up positions

Shame to because remagen’s pretty fun in the actual sectors that’s not the bridge

[real parrot]

I can't maneuver in Hill400 whithout getting 5 bazookas on my back.
The trees have bazookas

[covert elbow]

Oh yea Hill 400 is not for tanking

[real parrot]

It would be better if trees didn't had hitbox like on Mortain and Elsenborn

[covert elbow]

But the bazooka stuff is also an issue of classes and loadouts

[covert elbow]

Hill 400 being a more infantry focused map is actually really cool imo

You can still have armored support somewhat but end of the day you need to clear positions with infantry

[real parrot]

You can have a more infantry focused map without making it unplayable for armor

[covert elbow]

Shame no one communicates to push together

[real parrot]

For example Tobruk

Or Carentan

Or even Mortain is somewhat playable

But hill400 is just leave server

[covert elbow]

Well tbh the actual enviroments the issue here

All those maps listed are in areas of the world where tank combat is feasible but difficult

The hurtgen is absolutely not built for tank combat

[torn cliff]

hey guys what is problem with mic.. i tried evrything and still can't

[mystic rapids]

do u plug into a laptop? i have the same issie

issue*

[torn cliff]

yeah

any luck?

[novel geyser]

honestly I say it all of the time but remagen would be 100x better if the bridge was the only middle point

the fact BM couldnt/wouldn't change how strong points are placed should have been enough to make them realise "this map will be terrible lets not bother"

[worthy charm]

That so true

I tell you Hill 400 is my personal hell but times 400.

[midnight nacelle]

Can this not be manually altered by hosts nowadays at least? 🤔

[novel geyser]

idk

If BM couldn't or couldnt be bothered unravelling their spaghetti code to change it then I dont know how a server plugin could alter it

[serene spear]

Hosts can select which Strong Points they want for the match but they cannot control the positions of them.

[novel geyser]

but can they pick like, specifically the middle strong point for the center sector or something

[serene spear]

Yep.

[midnight nacelle]

So for Middle Section you've got Chapel, Bridge, Barn, can it be selected so all are random but the bridge is always neutral objective?

[worthy charm]

I always thought server owners cant choose the caps. Didnt we have a lot suggestion over the time for this kind of feature?

[nova pivot]

You can choose them if you change the map manually, if it goes by rotation it is completely random

[nova pivot]

I LOVE the south part

[worthy charm]

So its random most of the times?😅

Most servers i play one only use vote map

[nova pivot]

Yea

[serene spear]

Not currently, on RCon you have to decide all 5, it won't accept any blank drop downs. Maybe that should be an improvement to the system.

[serene spear]

This ^

[cyan saddle]

There's community tools out there already that extend the behavior of the function to allow for (partial) randomization.

[cyan saddle]

Yes, but the catch is that you cannot transition to a map with a predefined layout. Instead, you must restart the ongoing match.

[covert elbow]

Blackmatter released the trailer for their new game

[novel geyser]

I think some maps (remagen) just shouldnt even have the other options unless specifically chosen.

[novel geyser]

yup how much you wanna bet its gonna be as shallow as HLL

[covert elbow]

Pretty much the same as HLL tbh. Looks really good visually but pretty bland gameplay wise

[novel geyser]

maybe they'll actually finish it before releasing tho

[covert elbow]

Not even worth a bet because we know who will win lmao

[covert elbow]

Probably not

[novel geyser]

looking at it and seeing the extremely bland hit feedback on the enemies

literally the same sponges HLL players are

sauceless

[covert elbow]

Yea

Also i noticed there’s still no visual feedbacks for guns

It’s just point and shoot with no visual effects simulating recoil

[novel geyser]

theres looks like a bit of flinch and the blood cloud, looks like the same one use in HLL lol

[covert elbow]

Weapons also sound awful

[novel geyser]

I feel like a game with that style REALLY needs some more feedback like dismemberment and the like, especially since melee is a thing

[covert elbow]

Oh absolutely

[finite berry]

Could one of you please link the trailer? I'm curious :>

[novel geyser]

I really really really want to know if that stupid voice over is actually speaking proper Shakespearian cause it sounds so baaad

[novel geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNAryyw9yk

[covert elbow]

Beat me to it

[finite berry]

Thank you :D

[novel geyser]

it has HLL movement speed

[finite berry]

I still mourn the day when the YouTube player in Discord also started to show ads >:(

[covert elbow]

Kinda?

I think it’s mainly proper

[covert elbow]

Lmao

[finite berry]

I agree lol, it sounds not very good

Or well, like, it sounds... artificial?

[novel geyser]

then also later in the trailer the voice over just drops the old speak

literally no point it sounds stupid

its a hunt showdown clone tho so I have no interest by default
and again their rebranding is teerrrible

[finite berry]

I also like how the first full minute shows nothing but fast cuts of meaninglessness xD

[novel geyser]

but its so epiicc

[covert elbow]

That thing at the end was weird

[novel geyser]

its got the cool music and look the game is so pretty look at how pretty the game is

[covert elbow]

“It’s not a game mom it’s my LIIIFFFDYYYEEE””

[novel geyser]

yeah they did that in the other trailer too 😬

[covert elbow]

Litteraly HLL

Like mf

[finite berry]

It's visually impressive, but it tells nothing

[covert elbow]

It’s just HLL again

[finite berry]

Like, I couldn't even tell what this game is all about

[covert elbow]

Notice how they also jumped a lot and didn’t let the gameplay show

[finite berry]

Aside from bastardised weapons, some melee weapons and pseudo medieval times

[finite berry]

Yeah, exactly

[covert elbow]

And then at the end when they do show gameplay it looked really stale

[finite berry]

Like I said, lots of fast cuts that show nothing

[covert elbow]

It’s a nothing burger tbh

[worthy charm]

If you buy this game before Hll, I will find you.

[finite berry]

Won't happen ❤️

[worthy charm]

[covert elbow]

BM’s always been good at art direction and visuals but that don’t mean anything when the gameplay is crap

[finite berry]

First, I need to buy Empire at War, Doom: The Dark Ages and Easy Red II :D

[covert elbow]

Just got easy red and I’m excited to play it

[finite berry]

(And Witcher IV, but I'll probably wait with that long after release)

[covert elbow]

Was able to get it for free with PlayStations points system

[finite berry]

Well, perhaps future trailers will show more

[covert elbow]

Doubt it

Can’t even say I’m giving them the best wishes cause I can’t

They abandoned a game I love and repeatedly shot it in the head and seemingly haven’t learned their mistakes

[novel geyser]

same buzzwords as HLL

[covert elbow]

Still can’t believe they actually made the FPS extraction melee napoleonic zombie go looter shooter

[novel geyser]

idk how much more shallow they could make an extraction shooter, it'll all fall upon the gunplay and melee combat I think

™️

[covert elbow]

I was 99% sure they were joking when they said that

[covert elbow]

And it looks pretty bad

[novel geyser]

I was 99% sure they rebranded into some scam studio

[covert elbow]

Same

That entire thing reeks of scam

[novel geyser]

Their website is still atrociously bad

[covert elbow]

I can feel the malware infecting my PC when I go to it

[finite berry]

Plus, I may be wrong, but isn't the market for extraction shooters oversaturated by now anyway?

[novel geyser]

yeah it has kinda stagnated

Marathon the reboot to bungies old game was gonna be an extraction shooter but they have since redone it entirely to be something else Im pretty sure

just because of how bad the response was

[covert elbow]

Apparently people have been begging for some competition for Hunt: Showdown

[novel geyser]

Havent people kinda fallen out with Hunt showdown

[covert elbow]

Yea

[novel geyser]

I mean I dont play it so I wont see it much but I havent seen anything about it in ages other than its weird expansion

with post Malone or whatever lol

[covert elbow]

Apparently the 1886 update really took a sledgehammer to the gameplay and people really didn’t like it

I don’t play it though so I can’t confirm

[novel geyser]

watch BM strike gold again by simply releasing low effort good looking slop at a time where popular game falls out of favour and they pick up all the refugees

[covert elbow]

I mean yea that’s most likely what’s going to happen

[novel geyser]

my prediction tho is actually this new game is gonna probably flop

[covert elbow]

People will play it for 10 hours, give 5 stars, buy a bunch of DLC, the. Forget it exists and never touch it again

[novel geyser]

maybe not on launch but post launch its gonna fall off hard

[covert elbow]

That or people will praise the game because it looks great despite it having the most barebones gameplay of its genre

[covert elbow]

Oh absolutely

Like some of the monster deigns are cool but it looks really cookie cutter and not in a good way

Plus those guns are just… like wtf is happening here

Would have been interesting to see an alternative WWI era instead of napeolionic

Plus that’s a ton more diversity in what they can do

Cause the napoleonic eras cool but… idk I just plain don’t like it

Plus it’s got the most bland name you could have for a game

[cyan saddle]

I can imagine the melee aspect is pretty intriguing to those familiar with the genre. I don't think that's really been done yet.

[novel geyser]

in terms of how the melee will play its gonna just be click to swing click to block repeat

do it until the spongey enemy drops dead with no satisfying feedback

[covert elbow]

Hey at least it looks slightly better then HLL’s melee systems

[novel geyser]

it dont got that awful lock on for starters

[covert elbow]

Yea. Theres no weight to the weapons. It just swung across the screen with a grunt effect but nothing to make you feel like you hit the enemy

[novel geyser]

with how often BM kept putting WW1 things into HLL you think they would love to do WW1

[covert elbow]

Same issue with HLL. I don’t feel like I’m actually shooting a gun

[covert elbow]

Yep haha

[novel geyser]

the fact they are also working on a second project, they might not even do anything after this one releases

just throw it out and go straight ot the next project

[covert elbow]

Final consensus on “Hunger”: Cool idea with some great visuals and art direction, the NPC’s look very cool, but seemingly has bland gameplay with not much feedback or immersion

[covert elbow]

It seems like BM’s MO so probably

Get a concept they think is cool. Work on it for a bit, then throw it out to work on something new

[novel geyser]

the fact its a PvPvE extraction shooter is also lame

[covert elbow]

It’s just not a genre I’m interested in so I’m not judging it on that

Oh another thing I find funny

They are yet again going for the “the map is 1:1 as real life”

Like cool on paper guys but that’s going to hurt gameplay so much

It might be a bit better since you don’t have to worry about getting shot at but it’s still funny how their reusing the same gimmick

[novel geyser]

if you do it 1:1 you dont have to worry about balance

[covert elbow]

Or level design

[novel geyser]

all critisism is invalid because "erm actually its realistic because its based off of the real place"

[nova pivot]

They don't have to think too much, it's literally a copy and paste from the real world

[covert elbow]

Cool on paper, but once you actually play the game you realize that it absolutely does not work

[novel geyser]

BM dont tend to think much about things anyways

[covert elbow]

They just add what’s cool and move on

I’ll probably soley follow hunger to see how the community reacts

[novel geyser]

Buildable flak guns, Campaign

I've already seen someone suspicious its gonna be another days gone scernario

[covert elbow]

Well Campaign was a geniually good idea

I mean it was just operations from battlefield but still a good idea

No idea what they were smoking when they put flak guns though

[worthy charm]

Hunt has melee and I would say its pretty important.

[cyan saddle]

Only in PvE

[worthy charm]

Or at least I like my bomblance

[novel geyser]

My take on when they suggested "campaign" was Red Orchestra style
I think they described it as you can start from the landings at normandy and finish in berlin, but that just wouldnt work with how the games play out and the map selection

[covert elbow]

Oh my god wait what?

Like in a single gameplay session or have massive community events

Cause massive community events based on the war would have been cool

[novel geyser]

Like maps would go in order and if its like RO2 the winner of the last match gets to decide where to attack or can force the other team to attack

but this is the problem RO2 is just stalingrad and the maps dont 100% match up to real world locations RS2 is all of vietnam but thats still a single country
WW2 as a whole has so much more and just wouldnt work

They'd probably have to do it their own way but I just dont know how they could

[covert elbow]

Would definitely have to be stick with singular military operations and campaigns

[novel geyser]

the gamemodes themselves arent well designed

[covert elbow]

But it still doesn’t really work since 50% of the maps are within 7 days of D-Day

[novel geyser]

the way I thought is it could be split in to multiple different campaigns, basically like Battlefield operations.
but yeah it wouldnt work

I think T17 should do a rework of offensive and play into the historical aspect of the battles more. If they can figure out how to change strong points and get rid of the map grid they can go nuts with it

more compact offensive mode with a focus on the historical battle and the limitations and strengths of each side.

similar to what squad 44 does pretty much

[covert elbow]

You know what sucks celdis?

Was gonna say

Everything we say HLL should do S:44 has most likely already done it

This game is just the worst of both worlds of Battlefield and S:44

[novel geyser]

yeah lmao

[covert elbow]

Don’t even know if the games worth being excited for anyways

Like do we really trust T17 to rework medic, arty, and armor?

They might not even be reworks

They’ve shown they’ll slap the word “rework” on some number tweaks

[crimson totem]

Hey guys anyone having issues with the game right now? Server list is not loading and the "press any button to start" screen is not responding to keys for a while

[worthy charm]

I wouldnt say that after the release state of the last 2 bfs

S44 is great but without a full german server its nothing for me.

[covert elbow]

2042 agreed. But BFV is crapped on way to much by people who don’t play it

[grizzled kiln]

Armor rework has been coming for yrs and still nothing. Not holding my breath and they'd probably eff it up anyway lol

[finite berry]

(There is a full German server)

[covert elbow]

Their on the right track for armor at least. It’s quite obvious they have no idea what to do with medic and arty however

[grizzled kiln]

Sure,but the challenge will be how they implement it.

There's been 0 effort to improve anything in armor at all.

[covert elbow]

I mean they really can’t without a massive rework

No matter what they do now it won’t matter because heavy is always the answer

[grizzled kiln]

Sure they can

Start by fixing the broken Pz IV and Medium 75

[finite berry]

The entire armour system requires a rework

[grizzled kiln]

They drive like a slammed car with 2mm ground clearance

Unless they have no idea how, you'd think that would be easy to fix. But no

[covert elbow]

I mean that’s all tanks in general

Main issue is that they move so slow

They have whag like 1/3rd the IRL speed?

[grizzled kiln]

No not all tanks at all

Tiger drives just fine. Slow yes, but that's all.

Doesn't get stuck on stuff and can turn ( unlike the IS-1 ) .

[grizzled kiln]

Varies. They are fairly close to the offroad speed ratings on some tanks

Tiger 1, rated at 45 km/h on roads and 20-25 offroad. So close

[worthy charm]

I doubt that

[finite berry]

I counter doubt

[covert elbow]

I mean the fact it’s the off road speed on all roads is the problem lmao

[grizzled kiln]

Can they even fill on server ?? 😄 Sad really..

[finite berry]

They can

[worthy charm]

https://tenor.com/view/nein-doch-oh-louis-de-funes-nein-doch-oh-gif-11750603866572632337

[finite berry]

I own it, I oughta know xD

[grizzled kiln]

HLL is mostly offroad anyway, so not a big deal tbh

[covert elbow]

If they added different variables that effected speed that would be really cool

[grizzled kiln]

true

Tanks in S44 are much better

[covert elbow]

Would give an incentive to actually use the roads though

[grizzled kiln]

and smaller tanks actually have a chance to make a difference

[grizzled kiln]

That's just asking for mines and AT 😄

[covert elbow]

I mean at least AT mines could actually make an impact then lmao

I won’t even touch AT though because that needs a rework completely

[grizzled kiln]

The German AT mines are OP

They just disappear into the ground

[covert elbow]

I mean that should be an option for mines in general

[grizzled kiln]

True

[covert elbow]

Place them down and then allow the engineer to use a shovel to bury them but take extra time

[grizzled kiln]

The US mines are so tall you can easily see them

[worthy charm]

Soviet mines are just boxes

[grizzled kiln]

That could work

[covert elbow]

Soviets make do lmao

[grizzled kiln]

But AT doesn't need a buff tbh

Soviets keeping it simple

[worthy charm]

Soviet AT got it rough... but they got a bazooka as well after the release

Which was needed, but i didnt see for ages

[covert elbow]

AT needs a nerf

[grizzled kiln]

True