mess-hall

[covert elbow]

It makes me mad how they took so long on the QA only to show they have no idea what their doing on it

I’m very happy they want community feedback and are doing more PTES’s though

Just wish they actively listened to the community though lol

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah not happening 😄 Keep dreaming lol

[empty steppe]

Let’s hope they remove the panthers from Tobruk lol

[thin lotus]

They need to introduce a gamemode in which it functions similar to Warfare but there’s a reset prep phase that occurs whenever a new set of objectives come in play.
Both teams have an allotted time to build surrounding defenses before the boundaries open up again to allow players to advance towards the new objectives. Teams’ players are all reset into position into their respective strong points to maneuver accordingly when an objective wave” starts again.

Better for team cohesion, and mitigates the dumb prevalent leapfrog, teleports-behind-you garbage flow gameplay.

[empty steppe]

“They probably didn’t”

[covert elbow]

They already did like… a while ago

Oh wait nvm

Your talking about the destroyed panthers my bad

[covert elbow]

Honestly adding a pre-round to all game modes is what needs to happen

Except skirmish

That can be for the COD kids

[thin lotus]

This would be pre round whenever a new set of objectives are active. It’d reset everyone back into their area

[shy relic]

So many ppl hate skirmish but not everyone has 90 minutes to play a game

[empty steppe]

A destroying objective mode would be cool

Like you could only use a satchel or smth to destroy them idk

[covert elbow]

Should just be an offensive objective tbh

Switch through multiple objective types so it’s not just “capture the circle”

[empty steppe]

Something similar to battlefields conquest would be interesting

[covert elbow]

Idk about that

[novel geyser]

Cod mentioned

[empty steppe]

I mean… each objectives got like 4 squares, those could turn blue when you capture them and work just like usual, supply drops and airheads could just be dropped anywhere on the map

It would probably end up being pretty fun

The combat would probably be a little bit more accurate to ww2 being more spread out and not just a single front line

[thin lotus]

Hlls shooting/ target killing is too easy to do anything more than just ratty gameplay

[analog apex]

point and click

and as long as the hitreg won't F us up, we get a kill

[silk igloo]

but you can always risk your life to get something done

[stoic garnet]

Would make the game very boring and defense way too strong. Just give mgs and riflemen uncontested time to set up fields of fire sounds awful

[normal fjord]

2500 players on official servers, even large communities cannot seed their servers

[stoic garnet]

Lemme go into a private server with that rule set and have 3 tanks cover every truck approach to mid before anyone can leave

[molten sail]

this is NOT call of duty

[stoic garnet]

Why do you play it like that then???!!!!

!

[gloomy quartz]

Hi @molten sail :) big fan

[empty steppe]

What? I thought this was the Cod black ops 6 discord???

[analog apex]

sometimes may look like it

[molten sail]

i love my fans!

[nova pivot]

Have you noticed how well made @fluid pawn is? He even looks like a real human.

[analog apex]

have you come to gas us? xD

[fluid pawn]

But I'm an AI

Can't be human

Also, that is me well and truly wiped. I'm going to go sleep for the next 48 hours 🛌 😴
I hope you enjoyed the livestream, and can't wait for the Tobruk one next week!

[copper zodiac]

Anyone have a tl;dr for the QA? lol

[nova pivot]

Ill be there

[fluid pawn]

I'll try get one made up next week. However I went through and added chapters to the Youtube video so you can skip through

[copper zodiac]

Thanks Ben!

[echo karma]

Is it posted on reddit yet?

[fluid pawn]

Also, the #1347220000464965733 closes <t:1742806800:R> - It's not for everyone, however would love to get some new emotes and stickers made up for both Discord and our new Twitch account!

[analog apex]

@fluid pawn , thanks for the QA video, the design was well made.

However the next QA we need to somehow get some actual answers from the devs. Today, 95% of the answers was like "we may look at it", "maybe", "we'll see"... They kept talking and yet told us nothing we wouldn't have known already.

There must be something that is already set in stone and they are doing and can tell us about. They must have some vision and that's another problem - it felt like they have no vision and are just trying random stuff.

[thorny acorn]

Dan sticker incoming

we love Dan

[past veldt]

Glad we got to view the dark dungeon they keep Dan in

[echo karma]

Management issue. Don't blame the devs

[bold berry]

Literally also they should keep the video shorter

[fluid pawn]

Too big for reddit unfortuntaety

[fluid pawn]

We all love dan

[echo karma]

The transcripts? Who gon post a video on yt?

[fluid pawn]

this was iconic

[gusty lichen]

Anything of substance said? no time to watch unfortunately

[bold berry]

Maybe hell let loose should deliver on what they say they are adding in the roadmap

[halcyon sphinx]

Before I leave this server I want to tell you that you dont have to ping everyone for everything. You can also setup roles if people want to get updates. Its annoying. Have a great time

[undone owl]

so what's the eastern front map they were hinting?

1943 urban?

[fluid pawn]

and summer

[gusty lichen]

bro malding over a ping

[analog apex]

any feedback on this @fluid pawn please?

[fluid pawn]

Catch you all Monday!

[fluid pawn]

Will feedback to the devs for the next one 🫡

[thorny acorn]

sleep well then

[analog apex]

thanks man, much appreciated!

[thorny acorn]

cya on monday

[fluid pawn]

Appreicated ❤️

[gusty lichen]

urban and summer?? Awesome

[echo karma]

So tldr they basically said nothing

[thorny acorn]

also 1943, and devs mentioned it was already in #1098158460463480842

[wind shore]

So, analysing the stream!

what i'm doing RN 🙂

[thorny acorn]

i might actually have a real question for this Q&A

[gusty lichen]

that could be a suggestion from 2 months ago, or 2 years ago lol

[wind shore]

Question to ev3rybody! What urban map was set in 1943?

[wooden parcel]

wsp guys

[covert elbow]

Honestly? Yea. We got some cool insight into the technical aspects of the game and previous cut content but it was mostly them saying how they didn’t know what they were gonna do for the stuff on the rework gameplay wise

[thorny acorn]

yup

[echo karma]

@wooden cloud this the only man doing yt content.

[gusty lichen]

I want give pps43 pls

[wooden parcel]

did yall ban lunacyhill.?

[wind shore]

Das Altberg doing content also

[wooden cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/vindication-brooklyn-99-captain-holt-gif-12962717

[analog apex]

you already know? I bet you do!

because I don't 😄

[thorny acorn]

ofc Kedo knows

[wind shore]

we could only guess, i've got some answers on that question , but it's 1 map

or 2 maps

[echo karma]

So when DE does a live stream for warframe they generally tease something or show something. And they do a live stream every week bro. And they q&a

[wind shore]

No

[real parrot]

Stalingrad?

[analog apex]

tell us tell us! 😄

[wind shore]

No

[real parrot]

ok

[thorny acorn]

Belgorod?

[wind shore]

i'm asking you guys xD i really don't know, only guess

[echo karma]

Yt basically doa. Every video is 1 month old except goods

[covert elbow]

Yea I’m really hoping we get more QA’s and more focused ones as well where we can actually discuss certain parts of the game in full

[undone owl]

all i can imagine is another sector of Kursk or yeah Belgorod-4th Kharkov

[wind shore]

we have it

[covert elbow]

I’ve heard Solmensk being said a lot

[wind shore]

me also

[undone owl]

hmmmm

[wind shore]

let's guess here

[undone owl]

late summer?

[real parrot]

Didnt they said they'll rework Stalingrad?

[echo karma]

Funny thing is DE started off by doing a dev livestream every week. And they haven't stopped for 10 yrs. Probably one of the only dev teams who are those vocal with the community. Alot to learn from them

[wind shore]

in stream somebody mentioned it couple times, except me, don't count me, other guys

[covert elbow]

Yea

[real parrot]

DE is a music company that happens to develop a videogame

[pulsar carbon]

A lot actually. Belograd and Orel. Op Husky (Sicily) and Op Citadel (Kursk) Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

[wind shore]

it's 1944 Warsaw

[echo karma]

Truth tho. On lyne hitting

[undone owl]

another eastern front map will bring decent balance to the force

[echo forum]

Good job on the Q&A @fluid pawn, thanks for making sure console players get some questions answered. Top man. Looking forward to the next one Friday.

[real parrot]

We need a rework of T-34 armor

[wind shore]

haven't known much about Orel

but now - i'm researching it

[undone owl]

wasn't expecting an urban map...

[thin scarab]

berlin

[wind shore]

swan song

[real parrot]

[echo karma]

Hopefully the scene where that legendary tank battle went down. 1 panther vs Pershing

[real parrot]

Thats 1945 cologne I think

[echo forum]

TBF no one ever said it was an urban map..

[undone owl]

that's in cologne

[analog apex]

if they mean what they said about the tanks (which was pretty much the only more concrete thing they said during the whole QA), then they actually may do that... if every tank will be more unique and not just as a same copypasted tier's tank just different model, we may get it ineeed... we'll see.....

[echo karma]

Huge church in the middle of the map. Long sitelines. Brine river behind

[thin scarab]

they said it will be urban

but not berlin

[echo karma]

Yeah battle of cologne

[wind shore]

It’s like the final battles of WW2

[real parrot]

It would be cool, but also harder

[echo forum]

I must have blinked my ears then.. lol missed that

[undone owl]

"eastern front needs an urban map" 🤔

yeah i think i'm buying into this Smolensk theory

[thin scarab]

so what? the whole 1 year of war thing doesnt even exist so

[covert elbow]

They said it’s an eastern front map, set in summer of 1943, and will be urban

[real parrot]

Only battle I know of 1943 besides Kursk and Jarkiv is Dniéper

[thin scarab]

yea i know

[echo karma]

If s44 can make a 1:1 scale of Asian map I can't think of rn then why not hll?

[undone owl]

strong HLL 2 vibes from their pacific answer

[covert elbow]

The doors there buddy. See you in 2 years

[real parrot]

Even Enlisted has pacific, hell even Battlefield V has it

[covert elbow]

I

[echo karma]

Doesn't hll have more devs then s44?

[covert elbow]

Am going to do something all of you will regret

[echo forum]

Operation Edelweiß or Konigsberg are my guess

[wind shore]

Somebody here mentioned Orel

[covert elbow]

If I see one more pacific post

I swear to god

[real parrot]

I want to play yapanese

[proven dagger]

but they confirmed they thought about it11!!

[undone owl]

just want Remagen to run well again 🙂

[analog apex]

💯

[proven dagger]

thoughts = confirmation

[novel geyser]

just want Remagen to play well ever

[analog apex]

People keep asking for the Pacific, ignoring the current state of the game and what it needs objectively. And it is most definitely not the Pacific.

[covert elbow]

Better to just delete it from the game it deserves it for being an awful map

[echo forum]

Won't happen.. unless they reduce asset triangles globally

[undone owl]

it didn't start off running so poorly, they broke it or something (map design aside)

[covert elbow]

They changed a doorframe in St Eglise probably

[echo forum]

I blame the fog..

[wind shore]

1944

[bold berry]

Hater it’s a great map, o performance issues on ps5 👀

[covert elbow]

No it’s just a terrible designed map

[echo karma]

I'm not asking for the pacific. They shanked the British so hard that's not even a question. I was comparing the dev teams.

[real parrot]

There are bigger and more cluttered maps in other games than run a lot smoother

[covert elbow]

It’s litteraly luck based on if you win or not

[echo forum]

Better asset design

[thin scarab]

if they make the water like on driel, it will be a decent map

[undone owl]

the biggest issue is width of river and how it limits spawns, otherwise it's a unique map

[real parrot]

So do better assets

[covert elbow]

If they just made the bridge always be the middle point their’d be no issue

[echo forum]

This

[covert elbow]

Then what’s the map gimmick? You’re just not going to use the bridge?

[undone owl]

they should add some pontoon bridges on flanks 😉

[covert elbow]

It’s just a horrible idea for a map. Like it’s super cool irl but it’s a terrible idea for a game

[thin scarab]

more options for the player

[real parrot]

Make driveable boats

[echo forum]

Ah just force bridge as middle cap point perm..

[covert elbow]

And get shot off because the maps to small?

[undone owl]

yeah... maybe you're all right - bridge permanent point

or narrow the rhine lol

[echo karma]

It's also not scaled correctly imo. The hill should be massive. The bridge should be impassable almost. It was heavily German sided. Like Utah kinda

[undone owl]

the rest of the map is pretty awesome

[real parrot]

Imagine they fix lods, and now everything lod at any distance on the map like many games, tanks on Remagen will spawncamp arty from their own spawn

[wind shore]

Who said Orel, guys? It was battle for 2 hours, I’ve read it yet

[echo forum]

True..

[echo karma]

When the Germans blew the bridge I'm cologne that's all we did to get across. Engineer floating bridges

[runic veldt]

eh? I think the British are really fun

[real parrot]

Make submarine Sherman

[undone owl]

make more market garden maps please...

[real parrot]

Waiter waiter, more shermans!

[echo karma]

Now. There more balanced

[thin scarab]

arnhem would be cool

[warped patrol]

Здарова заебал
Смоленск или Орел будет. Но я не видел чтобы Орел предлагали

[echo forum]

Spawnable landing boats.. like an airhead .

[echo karma]

Make stug

[undone owl]

a whole market garden operation would be cool...

[keen glen]

WE NEED REALISTIC OMAHA LANDING WOHO

spawn in a boat and run to the beach

reduced spawn timer for usa

[echo karma]

Ben why no chapters in yt video? Cmon bro

[keen glen]

yeah ben why

[real parrot]

Make Ben a marriable character

[keen glen]

wdymm

[echo karma]

S44 does that. It's hell. You're on bad team. Game over

[keen glen]

never heard of s44

[worthy charm]

no way

Youre joking right?

[real parrot]

I tried to spawn with a tank in SQ44 on Utah map, I couldn't get out of the landing boat because it was bugged

[worthy charm]

Dont tell me youre for real

[keen glen]

what is s44

[worthy charm]

Squad 44

Once called Post Scriptum

[thorny acorn]

Squad 44, formerly known as post scriptum

[keen glen]

oh

[real parrot]

Its a historical event

[keen glen]

i know squad 44

[worthy charm]

okay okay

I was scared there for a sec.

[echo karma]

I doubt you even get off the beach. If the Germans play right your done. It's so biased It's not even fun. There is no counterplay

[thorny acorn]

thats why SQ44 is a better way to say it

[keen glen]

that game is straight up runing simulator

[worthy charm]

Fair point, thats why I only play tanks or nebelwerfer 42

[echo karma]

It's like Arma for ww2 basically

[crimson ravine]

What if they add the Invasion of Poland for the Eastern Front map

[covert elbow]

So HLL lmao

[keen glen]

its literally squad for ww2

[real parrot]

It was more like I couldn't move 10 meters because the front of the boat had an invisible wall, the tank ended sideways inside the boat

[covert elbow]

Who would have thought the beaches of Normandy would be hard to invade

[echo karma]

No. Maybe old Utah but not even close

[worthy charm]

Ey Ninjaoxz, wanna make a pacific thread in the qa2?

[keen glen]

whats qa2

[worthy charm]

#1352691326898147408

[real parrot]

Hll Utah offensive still gives me nightmares

[covert elbow]

It’s be hilarious but no

[wind shore]

does anyone know how to make the enemies green so i can shoot them better

[echo karma]

I mean historically wise that 1st wave got deleted. And it was what like 5am?

[cyan saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-gta-gif-20483040

[covert elbow]

I’ll just bump the guy who genuinely asks for it instead

[crimson ravine]

Nvm, probably Kurk

[keen glen]

Did the Americans have tanks on Omaha Beach?

[covert elbow]

No?

Maybe?

[echo karma]

Eventually but not at 1st

[covert elbow]

I think they got some well after the beach was taken. They originally were going to have like 30 but lost to all of them drowned

[real parrot]

No party without a tank

[covert elbow]

I think 4 made it to the beach

[echo karma]

Yeah. Was very few. Plus they were non operational

[keen glen]

imagine what would happen if führer predicted the attack location

[covert elbow]

Weird to because if they had just asked to use the vehicles and equipment the USMC had battle tested and proven to work they could have had a lot more vehicle and armor support

[echo karma]

The British side was impenetrable

[thorny acorn]

other fronts would be more important in media then

[real parrot]

That's what a British would say

[keen glen]

😂

[covert elbow]

I mean it’s not the issue of prediction it’s the quick response for not being implemented that’s the issue

[echo karma]

How heavily fortified that beach was in just a little time. Yikes nah. That's was the least defended side of

[covert elbow]

It’s been stated by historians and even people who worked on overlord if the panzers had been able to make it to the beaches the Allie’s could have been pushed back

[echo karma]

That's why they didn't attack from that side. There was a sht ton of miles of bunkers n defense.

[covert elbow]

How plausible it was with the allied air superiority is debatable but it’s interesting to think about

[keen glen]

There were only 300-400 defemder

[real parrot]

Assaulting that beach was not different from the rusian infantry charges

[covert elbow]

That was the entirety of the Norman coastline?

[covert elbow]

What?

[keen glen]

all führer needed was oil

[echo karma]

Maybe. There's to much beach tho. It was inevitable.

[covert elbow]

Not really

[echo karma]

Yeah vs the finnish. Exact same thing

[covert elbow]

Even just a few tanks in one sector is all the difference because the only AT they Allie’s had was naval barrages, air strikes, and small hand held anti-tank devices

And considering the armor of the panzers the hand-held weapons were not going to be very effective

The U.S. especially

[echo karma]

The Germans basically gave up France instantly.

[covert elbow]

No

[silk igloo]

no

[covert elbow]

They got slaughtered

But they didn’t give up France

[keen glen]

America had a very strong industry at that time

[echo karma]

Over months but most of France liberated fast af. Germany side eh

[keen glen]

Führer should have retreated and formed a defensive line

[echo karma]

The Sherman basically a t34 lol mass produced.

[covert elbow]

They did

[silk igloo]

the beach assault was one time in the making with every support they could get, from decoys, counterintelligence, air support, paratroopers, naval assets, french resistance etc, vs the russian assaults were like going to work daily and expecting something to work different

[covert elbow]

Not at all

The Sherman was way more advanced then the T34

[wind shore]

Belgorod, same as Orel , was only for some hours , Orel - 2 hours , Belgorod - about 3-5 hours and the Soviets took the whole control on the town

[echo karma]

The Pershing was more unreliable than the panther. Sherman was just a medium tank. And mass produced.

[keen glen]

He should have engaged the western front in a war of attrition and stabilized the eastern front

[wind shore]

• we have Belgorod map in game

[worthy charm]

✨ vertical stabalizers✨

[covert elbow]

That was never going to happen

You could argue if the Normandy invasions didn’t happen they could have maybe potentially stabilized the eastern from but as soon as allied boots landed in France it was over

[echo karma]

He should have never attacked Russia but alas were here. Nor formed the axis.

[covert elbow]

Nothing was going to stop the downfall of the Nazis

[covert elbow]

That was never going to happen

[echo karma]

Russia couldn't even capture Finland.

[covert elbow]

Hitler should have never invaded France

Which was also never going to happen

To do anything else was completely against party ideals

[real parrot]

France should never have existed in the first place

[mellow knoll]

Nvm france, he shouldn't have f'd with Russia that fast. He should have waited a few more years.

[echo karma]

Technically yeah we woulda came to the defense of Britain but we weren't really doing anything since

[silk igloo]

france should've kept it cool instead of getting dragged to british things

[covert elbow]

Absolutely

[keen glen]

the issue was manpower

nothing else

[covert elbow]

The issue was strategy

The Nazis had a ton of issues

Hell manpower was the one problem it didn’t have

[worthy charm]

Straßburg is one of my favorit german city /s

[keen glen]

they fixed them lately but it was too late

[echo karma]

Germany had a massive military. They had somewhere between 2 and 3 million men at the end of the war. Spread out everywhere.

[real parrot]

Still, they had skill issue

[shell owl]

The Nazis- and tbh all fascist states- were always going to end up eating themselves from the inside out, one way or another

[covert elbow]

Nope. German soldiers were very well trained even in 44

[echo karma]

If Hitler didn't attack Russia then maybe different story

[silk igloo]

and in the beginning their military was smaller than finland

[covert elbow]

Never going to happen

[gusty lichen]

ppl always talkin about nazi strategies as if it's not a good thing they were crushed 💀

[real parrot]

Not the soldiers, the high command

[covert elbow]

This is true

[echo karma]

Well yeah. They operated on conscripts etc

[worthy charm]

Aint this conversation something for #ww2-history ?

[empty steppe]

Stupidest military decision on earth

[shell owl]

A society like that isn't sustainable. Even if they'd won WW2, their whole ideology relied on having an enemy to fight and people to look down on. After that went away, they'd crumble

[cosmic pilot]

no access

[worthy charm]

Dont wanna be the a** here, just saying

[silk igloo]

so did everyone else.

[shell owl]

True, mb

[covert elbow]

How dare you

[keen glen]

If they had used turk ss effectively the entire Soviet industry would have been destroyed

[echo karma]

The blitzkrieg worked tho. Still used today in alot of military operations

[real parrot]

"Revolution devours their childrens" Or something like that was the quote

[past vortex]

omfg

[worthy charm]

Dont tell me you didnt got the role😅

[empty steppe]

If the Germany army didn’t try and go for Stalingrad around it…

[keen glen]

ye that

[cosmic pilot]

brother, you can view all my roles

[echo karma]

Hitler was very evil tho. Less evil then Stalin. But evil non the less.

[keen glen]

no

[empty steppe]

Legit they could have crossed that river anywhere and they chose a city

[worthy charm]

I could but im busy doing nothing else

[ashen basin]

Fart

[shell owl]

I don't know about that pal

[keen glen]

stalin was a terrorist killed millions

[past vortex]

oi

[thorny acorn]

both were bad

[covert elbow]

They were both equally evil

Both committed atrocities on a massive scale

[echo karma]

Stalin was worse than Hitler by a mile. He killed more than Hitler by a mile

[past vortex]

auch

[empty steppe]

Hitlers only reason for going for Stalingrad was the name 😭🤣

[shell owl]

True

[real parrot]

At least one actually cared for his country

[keen glen]

thats a lie lmao

[covert elbow]

That was funny ngl

[covert elbow]

Yea, Hitler.

[thorny acorn]

lol

[echo karma]

Stalin was the reason they lost vs Finland cuz he killed litterly all of his top military leaders and generals.

[empty steppe]

Why else did they need to go for that city? They could have sent half the forces to the Caucasus for oil, and the other half to Moscow

[undone owl]

Should have let them kill each other more - although that technically was western strategy 😎

[past vortex]

aiaiai

[covert elbow]

Railway junction

[past vortex]

cant you all rail about the qa

why did the stupidity break out that hard now

[valid talon]

Any guesses on the new eastern front map??

[real parrot]

Hey thats a Warframe level

[undone owl]

Smolensk is top guess

[covert elbow]

Government psy-op

[keen glen]

if there were no mountains and logistic issues

[covert elbow]

Solmensk

[empty steppe]

They could have disrupted that without going into by laying siege to it, along with stopping the ships from entering the river

[shell owl]

I haven't actually played as the Soviets yet, theres like no eastern front servers on xbox

[covert elbow]

Yes. But they also attacked Stalingrad for the name

[empty steppe]

Idk it’s a dumb battle and it ended up being the death of them

[empty steppe]

😭🤣

[past vortex]

you saying ben send you to distract

[covert elbow]

No…

[keen glen]

at the end of the day half of the europe is russian puppet and other half is usa puppwt

[real parrot]

You forgot China

[covert elbow]

Cold War goes hard

[cunning cobalt]

roadmap after al these years? go make a new game. leeching juice from same games for 20 years is the new trend dammit

[empty steppe]

Switzerland out here 😎

[thorny acorn]

not really lol

[undone owl]

UE5 upgrade 😎

[real parrot]

I don't need a new game, I need a better game

[cunning cobalt]

i can understand american puppet but why russian muppet

[covert elbow]

Western Europe definitely wasn’t a US puppet though. We had our hands in the pot but Russia owned the eastern pot making factory

[shell owl]

Isn't supporting games a good thing? Surely its better than selling a new one every couple years

[cunning cobalt]

leeching*

hll is good but out of date

[thorny acorn]

what we talking about, cold war?

[empty steppe]

Yeah I really wouldn’t call them “puppets”

[covert elbow]

Apparently

[keen glen]

they are puppets

[cunning cobalt]

when i was a child i remember companies used to focus on innovation and such. i miss those good old days

[shell owl]

And the updates are free, so... hows it leeching?

[cunning cobalt]

they are still selling the game and cosmetics

[shell owl]

If they were selling expansion packs, sure

[real parrot]

That sound like something a girl who changes clothes every week because they are "out of date" would say

[cunning cobalt]

well they can still support the game

[past vortex]

i gotta say this is a new low for messhall, never was that stupid

[cunning cobalt]

best analogy ever

[shell owl]

Well yeah, they're still selling the game. Would you rather they made like several new games you had to buy, or they update the one you already have?

[thorny acorn]

then not all "eastern" countries were puppets, talking in modern views where serbia and balkans are considered eastern, yougoslavia was a founder of Non-Aligned Movement during cold war

[keen glen]

loserslavia

[cunning cobalt]

both

[echo karma]

So I'm watching the live stream. It's just a bunch of old dudes saying yes sir

[keen glen]

what stream

[covert elbow]

Yea

[keen glen]

where

can i watch

[covert elbow]

HLL YouTube channel

[echo karma]

Lmao the management is so bad. Juno not ready for 2 yrs

[covert elbow]

It’s litteraly in #telegrams

[worthy charm]

The breakout happened the day I joined the server

[thorny acorn]

ok

[worthy charm]

And no I aint sorry

[echo karma]

Suimo machine gun would rival the ppsh 100%

[covert elbow]

Suomi

[real parrot]

Suhoy

[covert elbow]

Suwgo

[worthy charm]

Souyi

[thorny acorn]

that finnish fast firing tube

[real parrot]

Sussy

[past vortex]

sukhoi, but thats planes

[echo karma]

Basically same weapon too. Everyone mosin. Fin no tanks

[worthy charm]

Lend lease stugs and pz. 3 / 4 maybe.

[echo karma]

So no Finnish. Wtf are yall doing up there?

[real parrot]

Finland ended with more tanks than where the war started

[worthy charm]

More or less lend lease...

[keen glen]

🤣

[covert elbow]

So did the U.S.

And Britian

And the Soviets

[thorny acorn]

and almost every country

[shell owl]

Not Germany, funny that

[echo karma]

We don't know anything. The roadmap was a lie. Expression games

[real parrot]

Finland did not produce their tanks

[covert elbow]

Oh

No that still a little of country’s

[echo karma]

Finland mopped the floor with Russia.

[real parrot]

The best part was when Ben said "I'm the roadmap" and roadmapped all over the place

[echo karma]

Germany steam rolled Poland. And Russia couldn't even do that to small ole Finland

[thorny acorn]

maybe the roadmap was the friends we made along the way

[covert elbow]

Germany and Russia invaded Poland together???

[real parrot]

Skill issue

[worthy charm]

Finnland is bigger after all.

[pine ember]

The USSR only came when the Polish already lost

[covert elbow]

It was also the dead of winter in the Arctic

[echo karma]

No. But it is comparison between armies. Germany steam rolled Poland within a month. Russia couldn't even do that to Finland

[covert elbow]

Really?

[pine ember]

They just came to participate in the distribution of the cake

[covert elbow]

To be fair, it was very different fighting conditions

[worthy charm]

It also was Blitzkrieg and the other one was just hell

[covert elbow]

I’ll have to look that up

[echo karma]

Yes. And cold definitely helped. It was December after all

[worthy charm]

or reverse hell?

[echo karma]

Yes and Germany basically killed all the higher ups before so. Then steam rolled

[pine ember]

Without some mistakes the painter made in leading his military, and a bit of lend lease or the second front, Russia would speak German nowadays

[covert elbow]

No the deepest circle of hell is frozen

[real parrot]

I want T17 to add winter war so I can sing Säkkijärven polkka while driving a BT-42

[pine ember]

BT42 was only used in the Continuation War

[real parrot]

Don't care, still want it

[pine ember]

Same

[keen glen]

but now

germany is a puppet

[pine ember]

From who?

[craggy steppe]

Finland has always known that the threat comes from the east. And it has always been prepared for it.

[echo karma]

Wasn't Finland being worked on for winter warfare awhile ago?

[pine ember]

We are as independent as everyone else

[covert elbow]

Y’know… I don’t like making assumptions…

[real parrot]

If Spain had not have a civil war Germany would speak Spanish 👺

[pine ember]

And thats a good thing

[covert elbow]

But I think toatls Russian

[pine ember]

How?

[echo karma]

They have video footage of them talking about it etc but it was all scrapped

[covert elbow]

Just a gut feeling

[worthy charm]

Thats true as well + the polish defended on both sides.

(at least later in the invasion)

[echo karma]

I like Dan. Based af. Chill dude

Wtf is that answer from expression. We're addressing arty recon cycle. Tf?

[covert elbow]

Yea

And medic

Just bad answers

[echo karma]

Everyone dead silent.

Just don't answer if you don't have an answer lol

[wind shore]

i think , that , 2025 , will , be, the , GREAT, year , of , HLL

[worthy charm]

Wouldnt say bad, its just very vague, we need to wait a bit for more complaining xD

[covert elbow]

No it’s bad. It’s very obvious they put it on the board without having a plan for it

[thin scarab]

lol

[echo karma]

There literally just up here not even answering questions. What's the point in even asking the questions? I know yall went over this beforehand

[worthy charm]

Maybe, im happy I got my tank rework and it sounded like they put a good amount of thought into it.

[cosmic pilot]

@thin lotus
https://youtu.be/hsF3cv_m6GA?t=1569
"watch this space" 🥱

[covert elbow]

That was the only well thought out response. Arty and medic were disappointing

[echo karma]

Looks like everyone is in there home. Do they not have an office?

[covert elbow]

Probably not

[worthy charm]

Office < Remote

[echo karma]

These are all management looks like. Where's everyone else

[worthy charm]

Or im just lazy...

[wind shore]

Tobruk QA, next week

[thorny acorn]

friday afternoon, probably done with the work for week

[echo karma]

They didn't even say jack all about the medic. That class Is irrelevant.

Manpower is mostly trash. Takes faster to respawn to wait on a medic

[thorny acorn]

they do, we dont get lot of info but we know they are looking in how to fix it

[oak current]

I can confirm this, I have played Finland multiple times in Hearts of Iron IV and Soviets are bullies each time

[thin scarab]

the class can work. but not a fan of ticket system

[worthy charm]

Ammo > Fuel > Manpower

[thin scarab]

i liked the idea of the medic giving a buff if you near 1

[covert elbow]

Only way to solve it is to introduce tickets and change how ammo distribution works. People say you can’t makes others experience worse but like… there’s no other way to make medic viable

[covert elbow]

They do already

[echo karma]

The ticket system makes medic pointless. Garrison spawns are faster.

[thin scarab]

in what ?

[covert elbow]

What?

[covert elbow]

Less suppression

[thin scarab]

lol

[echo karma]

Not to mention op fast af.

[cosmic pilot]

stop saying it's the only way

[echo karma]

You have a medic on yout team that's 1 less smg you have.

[cosmic pilot]

it offends me ❄️

[covert elbow]

What idea do you have then?

[worthy charm]

Its the only way

[cosmic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[thin scarab]

ticket system would make a game faster then 1,30 right ?

[echo karma]

Lol they don't even know how bipod works in there own game

[worthy charm]

Ok😓

[cosmic pilot]

make shooting harder
caveat, not my idea

[urban marsh]

Please god no

Don’t do the Squad nonsense of giving everyone noodle arms

[echo karma]

Balanced but the is2 is best tank in the game

[covert elbow]

This game needs updated gunplay

[worthy charm]

You sure about that?

How it the panther worse is any way?

[urban marsh]

I would argue it could use third-person muzzle flash and dust kick up, but I don’t want to see the gunplay dramatically reworked.

[echo karma]

Is2 can take more shots then panther. Or it's still bugged.

[covert elbow]

This doesn’t make medic anymore viable

[covert elbow]

The gunplay of HLL barely exists and absolutely needs changes. HLL’s gunplay is terrible

[thorny acorn]

sure change it, just dont take inspiration from squad

[echo karma]

Mod support would be awesome af

[covert elbow]

Not anywhere in the cards though

[worthy charm]

They are both heavys, they got the same life, cannon and mostly armor (some weakspots in the panter turret can be penetrated by mediums). BUT Panther is more agile and has better view ports.

[cosmic pilot]

well, yes, because 90% of the problem is that when people die they die in open ground that is too lethal for the medic to reach

[covert elbow]

Bruh even in cover it’s better to redeploy

But i get your point

And that why we should add dragging!!!!!!!

[worthy charm]

gets out his knife

[echo karma]

Is2 can take 3 shots from heavy. Idk if it's fixed yet or if it was a bug. But it is regarded as the best tank in the game for that reason.

[covert elbow]

Please end my suffering

[real parrot]

In SQ44?

[echo karma]

Medic has infinite smoke grenades

[urban marsh]

I would like to see a playtest with a fireman’s carry option.

[worthy charm]

I never heard of this honestly... Must have been a bug

[worthy charm]

Can I scam you before that?

[echo karma]

Don't you fkin touch my victory music

[covert elbow]

Sorry the governments already taken my money

[thorny acorn]

glory to the usa

[real parrot]

Best tank of Hll is the T-34

[worthy charm]

Nah ok... Cant do anything without a profit.

[covert elbow]

Best tank is the halftrack

[worthy charm]

I have my investors.

[empty steppe]

…

[real parrot]

Best tank is a truck with an AT on top

[worthy charm]

Now youre just trolling on purpose

[echo karma]

German 88 when

Anti everything gun

[worthy charm]

Now now, the best tank would be a recon with 2 AT players on board

[real parrot]

No I'm serious, A good T-34 is hard as hell to kill without a Heavy, and even like that it still got chances

[covert elbow]

Nah the best tank is a jeep with 3 AT on it

[real parrot]

It even has the Satchel variant

[worthy charm]

I killed a heavy once like this and it wasnt even planned

[covert elbow]

That’s funny

[thorny acorn]

the best tank is the soviet at with the ptrs or whatever the gun is called

[echo karma]

3 of those shooting a tank is so annoying bro

[thorny acorn]

they still take ages to destroy it lol

[real parrot]

Worst part is you don't even know from where the shot its coming

[worthy charm]

Its one of the better mediums for sure, but no way better than any heavy (not the jumbo 75, hes ugly and no one likes him)

[real parrot]

Definitely the better medium, plus in publics you can do very nasty things with it

[worthy charm]

Worst heavy is the firefly for sure.

or did they improve the turning speed?

[real parrot]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dR3XarUY_F5Xm2GXI53hzitLtSlx76__/view?usp=sharing

[worthy charm]

I dont trust links from internet strangers

[covert elbow]

Nah worse heavy is absolutely the 75

The whole point of the heavy is to kill other tanks and that guy can’t

[covert elbow]

Same

[worthy charm]

Thats isnt a heavy, thats and ugly beast which should be smited by the gods themselfs

[echo karma]

True 75 trash af

[real parrot]

Its a video on google drive bruh

[thorny acorn]

can confirm i watched it

[echo karma]

I'm watching this thing. Haven't seen one answer yet

[thorny acorn]

the tanks are mating

[real parrot]

We were indeed

[worthy charm]

Anyone wanting to see the best dokumentary out there?

[echo karma]

The fat electrician does some good videos

[real parrot]

Baseball, huh?

[echo karma]

Like Eugene bollard whom I've never heard of.

[shell owl]

Gonna try medic for the first time I think

I wonder how many people will still shoot me if I play as a pacifist (all of them I expect)

[real parrot]

Don't do it

[thorny acorn]

good luck, it can be funny at some moments

[shell owl]

Yesterday I shot a guy, and then a medic came running towards his body right infront of me and didn't try to kill me, so I just left and let him revive

[real parrot]

Then the guy you shot killed you

[echo karma]

You can shoot Friendly's then res them so no tk technically

The achievement kinda hard to get tho.

[wind shore]

Reflecting to the question about Eastern front map in QA

1. it’s not Moscow and Berlin
2. It will not be too open like Kharkov
3. It will be summer map in 1943
4. it was suggested before for several times
5. It’s urban

[echo karma]

They also said something about fictional too. Where they could create there own battlefield etc

[thorny acorn]

they said that about Moscow and that creating map for Moscow would be fictional and that they dont want to do that

[echo karma]

Basically a Q without the A. They gave very vague answers. Where aware etc bs answers.

Tldr wait till pts comes out.

[thin lotus]

lol at expecting anything more tbh

[echo karma]

Armour sounded promising. If they apply actual numbers etc. There have been many a suggestion they could work on.

Ppl are tired of arty tho. If we get 1 thing this year be it that. The whole community can agree upon that

[thin lotus]

Even when asked about stuff like vfx/sfx and the answers being changing how the pre-placed fire looks and ambient sounds.
It’s just underwhelming .

Telephone wires?

Like, this stuff doesn’t need to be on a roadmap

They’re grasping straws

[echo karma]

T17 management issues clearly.

[thin lotus]

I don’t buy it

I think it’s a team competency issue

[echo karma]

Just look at how silent everyone was when they gave them bs answers.

[thin lotus]

The impression I got was there’s literally nothing to talk about. Not that there was the big bad management hushing them off camera

[echo karma]

Was a sad q&a. Ben tried tho. I'll give him that

[thin lotus]

When even the drip feed is that sparse, you’re gonna get Q&As like this. A bunch of non-answers and “we’re thinking about it”

[echo karma]

I stopped watching 1 hr in. Basically tldr. Wait for pts. They didn't answer one thing Basically.

Putting lod issues in a roadmap is funny af tho. Like they have no grasp on the game at all. THey didnt even know about bipods bro. They clearly don't play the game

[bold berry]

How, cause it’s over a bridge?

Idk if you realize how important bridges were back then, they were important because it’s the only way over the river

[echo karma]

Unlike the many I love the one sided maps. It is somewhat satisfying to beat the enemy vs un winable odds.

[stoic garnet]

An important part of a sim game is choosing historically accurate maps that are somewhat fun to play

Remagen was a cool but fundamentally terrible choice

It’s just 2fort with fancy sim dressing, and everyone slams their eyes shut and pretends it isn’t

[echo karma]

Implemented wrong yes. Should have been bigger. Driel nice tho. Even like old Utah was annoying af for USA but made sense.

[stoic garnet]

Driel is better because you can ford with vehicles and cross slowly under fire on foot. Otherwise it would be the same

[echo karma]

Major remagen issue that pak40 can shoot into middle hq or others. Which is op af. Also control the bridge win the game

[wind shore]

Road map actually released

Finally

It looks good

[summer kraken]

So the Eastern Front map will be set in Summer 1943... Any guesses? Kiev?

They also said It will be urban

[wind shore]

Kiev was in November

It’s very late autumn , close to winter

[summer kraken]

Maybe Smolensk? Orel

[wind shore]

Orel was battle since 14 00 PM and till 16 00 PM

For 2 hours

[finite berry]

In case you didn't find someone to help you yet, send a DM to @maiden skiff, he helps new players.

Anyway, is it worth rewatching the stream on YouTube?

[thorny acorn]

not really, but ben said he made timestamps so maybe you can just go to whats interesting to you

[finite berry]

Don't see any 😄

But thanks 🙂

[gray garden]

The age of has been replaced by PTE when Ready. Feels like a positive change, but I suppose we'll see how that pans out.

[gusty lichen]

this is why console is the superior hll experience. None of this nonsense happens

i guess muph has the xbox icon too, but i've never seen this in all my time playing that map 🥱

[echo karma]

Bunch of noobs on that map. If I ever load into official remegan and there's no pak40 up there I leave

You can only play on official cuz no body likes the performance of that map. You typically only see the comp maps in community servers

[gray garden]

Console on HLL is indeed a different game... but it's a worse one.

[echo karma]

It's so laggy and preformance is a joke. We literally have 3 consoles and you can't get performance down.

And we have bugs from years ago

[vestal spear]

squint harder and the lags not so bad

[echo karma]

There server provider is dogwater. Official I get 100ms, but community I get 30ms. Makes no sense

[gray garden]

is it true that there is neutral steering for tanks on console? i heard that and thought it was about the only positive difference console had in comparison with PC, so I doubted that it was true on the back of that.

[echo karma]

I don't understand. Vehicle doesn't move in neutral. Can turn the wheels tho.

Console version on different os obviously. I think they slick test stuff over here before it goes to pc.

[gray garden]

yes, as in you can turn the wheels without being in either 1st or reverse gear

[winter mason]

Any thoughts on what the eastern front map could be

i bet its berlin

[oak current]

its not Berlin. Map will be Urban, Summer and set in 1943

[winter mason]

so what do you think it is

[gray garden]

they confirmed it is not Berlin on account of the fact that they'd be saving that as a swansong for HLL's last map

Also is not Moscow

[oak current]

Never followed the eastern front much.
So no idea - quite a few maps available from what I saw, but what it'll be? we'lll see

[echo karma]

They said they wanna make a fictional battle I think essentially. Hard to read through all the bs

[raven arch]

bring the balaclava/winter heads, as just game content an not dlc. that's not accessible anymore ❤️

[echo karma]

Basically said all leaks are trash. Truth we don't know?

[wind shore]

no pea dot dlc for epic games players?

[raven arch]

yea only epic games players get the winterwar dlc now i guess no steam acess atm

[hallow pagoda]

Something from Dnieper offensive maybe? Poltava perhaps

[wind shore]

Moscow would be fictional battle, cause it was not battle itself in the city. And I fully agree about it 👍

[echo karma]

Idk. 1943 is up in the air. Guess we'll see on pts in August

[shell owl]

The battle between Nazi generals and the copious amounts of drugs they all took

[echo karma]

Wait I'm sorry. December more like. They take forever to make 1 map

[shell owl]

It seems like everyone here hates the devs

No offense btw, I don't know anything about them, I just haven't seen anyone say anything nice about them yet lmao

[thorny acorn]

not really

[livid saffron]

What do you think the Eastern Front map is they talked about on the livestream today? They said set in summer 1943. Quite Urban.

[thorny acorn]

idk why are ppl blaming the devs, they don't choose whats being added and what they are doing usually

[worthy charm]

People can be a bit critical in here, but at the end of the day we just like complaining.😆

[echo karma]

Nah I don't like management. There just yes sir ppl. And t17 is trash. Been trash since the 90s

There most popular game they couldn't manage bro. There just gonna run hll into the ground. Suprised there still supporting it.

[dreamy coyote]

why the game lowkey not launching

[thin comet]

there have been issues since before T17 took over development, so it's not changed any interms of attitude towards the devs, whomever they may be.

as far as gameplay, the same bad choices interms of design remain

[blissful hedge]

Well one thing I'm not to happy with which I get it, I'm not sayin I dislike them but the bugs get annoyin lmao

Your a normal apple.. im a shady one 😎🤙

[thin comet]

you wouldn't say that if you had seen my previous pfp 😂

rays of sunshine.

[blissful hedge]

Oop your a badapple I see 💀

[fierce haven]

Seeding the 21st server now

[slate canopy]

You can advertise seeding in #console-seeding-help

[broken shoal]

"searching for sessions"

im doomed

los de epic cagamos

[fossil iris]

Trying to search for games and not working for me or other Xbox players don’t know if anyone else is having this problem or if it’s Xbox or T17…

[cyan saddle]

That'll be due to Epic Online Services currently undergoing emergency maintenance, you can track their progress here; https://status.epicgames.com/

[wind shore]

Guys, I think we should read be between lines , in QA was some non verbal communication, after analysis of QA, it was clearly, that developers were telling something between the lines

look at programmers 🙂 they imagining what they gonna do, it will not be easy for them, but it will be good final result

[cyan saddle]

Is it Smolensk?

Are they adding Smolensk????

[wind shore]

i'm not sure, i think we should read btw lines, somebody guessed it, community

rough around the edges, urban

1943

[wide crown]

Belgorod?

[wind shore]

QA was analysed by players and community base yet, I was so slow

[wind shore]

we have one in game already) Kharkov outskirts - it's Belgorod

in Belgorod in 1943 was battle for some hours

[wide crown]

True that

Operation Kutuzov at Orjol/Orel was also nearby right?

[wind shore]

just we should read the emotions

[wind shore]

Orel was battle for 2 hours, the town was captured for 2 hours

[wide crown]

Warfare is max 1h30m

Lol

[wind shore]

offensive? 5X30 = 150 minutes , it's over 2 hours

[wide crown]

Damn, then that’s not it either.

[wind shore]

So, the analysis of QA was already done by community and players

since some hours after QA left)

[slate canopy]

There has been some. I gotta watch later 👀 I caught it for 20 seconds while at work, and missed the end of the Pacific being answered. 😆

[wind shore]

||read between the lines in QA, something were not said by words, but by non verbal communication)||

[past vortex]

arr teh servers

[wind shore]

P.S. it said not me, i've got the messaged from another guys, they did analysis, not me) from different guys, they are not related to each other

[echo karma]

That q&a was trash. They didnt answer anything. They just dodged every question. Basically wait for pts

I tell you wombat wouldn't have stood for that

[cyan saddle]

Huh

Am I just grossly misremembering the 2023(?) Q&A?

[echo karma]

I quit watching 1 hr in it was so trash.

[wind shore]

it was good QA

[echo karma]

Lmao

[wind shore]

no negative, everything will be ok in 2025!

[echo karma]

Worst q&a yet. The trailer was better

[cyan saddle]

My man I'm telling you, did you listen to the 2023 Q&A? 🤣

[echo karma]

2027 when the leaks confirm new maps

[echo karma]

Winter warfare one? Or the one wombat did on reddit?

[wind shore]

to be honest, HLL in 2025 will be improved and it will be cooler , than now

[cyan saddle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEuVZI1-lr8

For the last two years people here have been joking about how they've been saying "yes yes we want to do this" for 2 hours straight

Obviously they were pretty vague today as well, no denying that

But miles ahead of last live Q&A they did

[echo karma]

Duh. That's all they say. CM wants to facilitate communication between devs and community yet devs don't say anything.

Idek why they put half that crap on the roadmap. Lod issues shouldn't be on a roadmap bro. Fix bugs or launch content. It's pretty simple

Let's go see what reddit thinks lol

[wind shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHuOMFZKCo Nebelwerfer sound, sound of the death ( like Katysha strikes )

[echo karma]

Reddit summed it up perfectly but it basically has no up votes

And for the devs to say join the pte for feedback is the most lazy sht I've ever heard. We have no QA. Playtest the game for freeeee.

[past vortex]

i think it was good
as they basically admitted they have no plans to fix the obvious simple things

so no need to hope

[misty belfry]

It’s 100% Belgorod

[echo karma]

Have to go back and look at the last 2 roadmap. I thought we got one early in February then one in June?

Took them almost 6 months to release mortain. Then we got ridge. They fulfill the Feb roadmap tho. And the hedges on smdm fiasco.

[urban marsh]

Having the community involved in limited playtests is a great thing IMHO. It's the best way to prototype gameplay elements and gather feedback. It also brings more bugs to light early on b/c the volume of testers is much greater.

[slender dirge]

i jst got kiCKED

[slate canopy]

Was it too many team kills or did you get randomly kicked?

[meager tiger]

i just got a kill 2,491M away can someone explain how that is physically possible or is it a glitch?

[slate canopy]

Were you a commander?

[meager tiger]

yes

i have put the ss in the memes channel

[slate canopy]

I believe that comes with using commander abilities, and it's not exactly an accurate number.

I've had similar.

[meager tiger]

ah okay cheers mate 🤣

[slate canopy]

I found another with 2498. lol The maps are 2000m wide (each box is 200m) and 1000m tall.

[meager tiger]

🤣🤣 it makes no sense

[slate canopy]

so unless some way, diagonally? I don't think so. I think it's just a sort-of glitch when you use a commander ability across map.

[cosmic pilot]

Craig, am i your favorite mess hall character 🥺 👉 👈

[wind shore]

Am I the only one having trouble joining the game?

Keeps crashing

[slate canopy]

Do you get any crash codes? What happens when you crash?

[wind shore]

posted in #ww2-history

couldnt send here

[slate canopy]

Should be an easy fix, I'll delete it from that area, since it's not WW2 related.

One moment to find the solution

[wind shore]

updating gpu drivers, gonna see if that helps

[slate canopy]

"For the PAK CHUNK error you can first start by doing a Verify of you game files. If this does not resolve your issue. You can try deleting the 2 files within your pak folder and do a Verify again and see if that then helps. Any crash can cause the reset of all settings."

[wind shore]

Ok thanks

[slate canopy]

The pak folder would be in in the program files to Hell Let Loose\HLL\Content

and you'd delete them and verify again.

[rancid dagger]

Hi! This is kind of a long shot but thought id ask just in case anyone had an extra epic account they snagged hll on during the free period i missed it 😭 😭

[slate canopy]

You should keep an eye out for when they go on sale. It's fairly frequently on Steam.

[rancid dagger]

oh okay will do thank you anyway!!

[past vortex]

longest diagonal would be 2236

[shell owl]

Went against some incredibly competent teams today, lost 4 games in a row that lasted about 15-20 minutes each

It was brutal

[wind shore]

this community is pretty great ngl

[echo karma]

Typical game on xbox. No body defends

[shell owl]

Oh people were defending, but they kept flanking us, pushing really well, and the artillery was laser accurate

[echo karma]

When can we get performance fixed on console bro? Game crashes so much

[nova pivot]

That's on Xbox, on PlayStation it works fine

[cold radish]

Urban battles 1943 summer (or june-sep), smolensk, velike luki, orel, bryansk, kharkov, belgorod, stalino, and i think thats about it? So kts most likely between smolensk, orel, velike luki though my bets luki

Oh yeah and novorssiysk

[small tree]

hello there Klan Krieg now trying to seed our server we Would be glad to see you there. Its CZ/EN Krieg Community server. For PC players. Jump up for succesfull seed its VIP revard

[worthy charm]

#pc-seeding-help 😉

[misty belfry]

Why not the others?

[hybrid hazel]

Saving private ryan is free on YouTube

[gentle lintel]

still waiting on saving private ryan 2: saving ryan again

[thin scarab]

Saving Mod Drew the sequel

[finite berry]

Most overrated ww2 movie, change my mind

[azure heath]

nope, you’re right

[hybrid hazel]

It's why medal of honor and cod exist

And battlefield

[finite berry]

That doesn't make it any better

As if it was an argument in favour of a movie's quality that it inspired some video games

[hybrid hazel]

If saving private ryan never was made the FPS genre would be dominant by sci-fi shooters

[finite berry]

So what

Looking at what garbage ww2 games are getting crapped out, that wouldn't even be necessarily bad either lmao

And still, that doesn't say anything about the movie's quality

[cold radish]

I mean its just a good well made movie comparing to the others which were released at the time

Not every movie needs to be star wars

And the attention to detail is pretty insane in the movie

[novel geyser]

I think it's fair how praised it is
But I definitely think it has issues

[cosmic pilot]

i will not

[novel geyser]

Great effects and sound design. Good action sequences from a movie stand point and of course the best omaha beach depiction
Story is a little silly and there's plenty of nit picks and >upham

[cosmic pilot]

if you like too much shakey cam 😵‍💫

[novel geyser]

Haha

Could be worse

I think stalingrad will remain one of my top ww2 films

The 1998 one of course

[finite berry]

I'm not saying it's not well made, I think it's just overrated

And it fails miserably as a supposed anti-war movie

[cold radish]

it is kinda funny when people watch a youtube video about this exact topic, to go to a random discord and try and express the youtubers view without having one of their own

[novel geyser]

I do think it kinda reverses it's anti war sentiment when it literally showers Upham in light after killing steamboat Willie

[rough pike]

Did they announce when the new update will arrive?

[novel geyser]

April

#telegrams

[finite berry]

The anti-war sentiment ends when the movie literally ends on the note that all the sacrifice was worth it in the end

[finite berry]

Excuse me?

[wintry thistle]

The movie is great from a cinema standpoint. Accuracy/realism not so much.

[hybrid hazel]

So call of duty world at war was trash, medal of honor Frontline, battlefield 1942 ?

[finite berry]

Could you for once please read and understand what I'm saying? Just for once?

[empty steppe]

Recently we have gotten some pretty bad ww2 games, but hopefully in the future things will get better

[hybrid hazel]

We are entering a new era

Trust me things will get better

[empty steppe]

Well we did get sniper recon resistance this year… which isn’t too bad, not very historically accurate but very fun for the genre

[hybrid hazel]

I don't wanna get political but we are entering the post -woke era, games will not be afraid to be to keep it real,

[finite berry]

It isn't necessarily bad, it's just the same game like the previous titles, just elsewhere

[finite berry]

big doubt right there, my friend

[finite berry]

You would believe that it can't get any worse after Vanguard, but you never know...

[empty steppe]

True lol

Didn’t even care to pick that game up

[finite berry]

If there is one thing I learned over time, it is that no matter how low the bar is, they always manage to still deliver something even worse

[hybrid hazel]

Try not to be so pessimistic, vanguard and battlefield V are both trash, but slop like that will be a relic of a cringe past in the future

[finite berry]

What makes you so optimistic

[hybrid hazel]

Societal shifts

[finite berry]

I think you are overestimating stuff

[finite berry]

Plus, BfV at least had the balls to give us the masterpiece of The Last Tiger

Which I highly credit this game for

The other campaigns were garbage (Tirallieurs excluded), not even talking about the multiplayer, but The Last Tiger was good and something genuinely new

[hybrid hazel]

Battlefield always had hit or miss DLCs, battlefield 1 apocalypse and thy shall not pass were nice

[finite berry]

The Last Tiger was no DLC

[hybrid hazel]

Oh, I did not play bf 5 I did not know that

[finite berry]

Neither did I lol

Well, I played The Last Tiger on my brother's computer

But that's about it

Couldn't be bothered to buy any CoD or Battlefield game

Only one I ever owned was MW3 2010 for the PS3

[hybrid hazel]

Call of duty today is not the call of duty I grew up playing it's sad what's the franchise has become

[finite berry]

Not a fan of CoD in general, but I'll have to admit that the games back then were better

It's really telling that CoD WaW's multiplayer feels more authentic, realistic and historically accurate than WW2's campaign

[hybrid hazel]

Im 25 and I remember black ops 1 and 2 playing online with my middle school friends

[novel geyser]

Woke this woke that
Bruh I guarantee most people don't actually care if you go around killing nazis in a game

[finite berry]

Yesn't

On one hand, you're right. On the other hand, I think there are more people that you imagine that genuinely feel set off if the setting and set-up is "woke" and/or historically inaccurate

[novel geyser]

I think historical games should try to stick to history but I'm sick of people crying woke. The entire culture war bs is a plague

[hybrid hazel]

It's not about woke it's about the feeling when you play the game, FPS games involving war are not supposed to be bright and colorful

[novel geyser]

I agree

[nova pivot]

In a historical game everything should be represented as accurately as possible.

Regardless of political or social opinions

[hybrid hazel]

I disagree, you can take some liberties, you should be able have a handgun as a secondary weapon as a rifleman or support in HLL

[finite berry]

laughs in Vanguard

[nova pivot]

Cod hasn't been a historical game for a long time.

[finite berry]

There is a difference between not being historic and whatever the f uck Vanguard was

[hybrid hazel]

A acid trip

[finite berry]

WW2 felt like a generic action movie, but it at least stayed somewhat faithful to the actual conflict

[worthy charm]

That would barely make a diffrence.😅 sidearms are week and only a few loadout need one.

[novel geyser]

Out of touch developers

[worthy charm]

Flamethrower for example being one were a sidearm makes sense

[novel geyser]

I don't think cod has had a good single player in a long time

They try to hard to have likable characters to sell skins of them in multiplayer

[nova pivot]

Also the sniper

[hybrid hazel]

When you shoot the gas tank it should explode the flamethrower

[finite berry]

No

No, it should not

[worthy charm]

Thats not realistic at all.

[finite berry]

Complete and utter Hollywood nonsense

[novel geyser]

How to make flamethrower even worse

[worthy charm]

Also it would be a nerf... for the flamethrower... which is the weakest weapon the the game.

[finite berry]

I hate the idea that flamethrowers or gasoline canisters or oil tanks would explode just because you shoot them

[hybrid hazel]

Rifleman and support

[finite berry]

Like, why would they do that

[nova pivot]

f it happens that the bullet just as it penetrates causes a spark, But that is a coincidence and does not happen most of the time.

[finite berry]

Even that wouldn't necessarily cause an explosion

The fuel is supposed to burn, not to explode

[worthy charm]

When a car drives against a wall it obviously explodes as well.

[finite berry]

It can happen, but that's like super super unlikely

[worthy charm]

Fire Fighters hate that trick

[finite berry]

If a bullet actually hit a flamethrower's tank, it would leak. End of story.

[hybrid hazel]

The amount of times I have died while reloading is crazy , I wish I had a pistol to switch to,

[shell owl]

If the leaking fuel caught fire though, I imagine that would be cause for alarm

[finite berry]

It would burn, not explode

[worthy charm]

Fuel leak for tanks?

[finite berry]

Realistic mechanicl breakdowns for tanks when

[worthy charm]

Tiger 2 with bad transmission when?

[hybrid hazel]

I wish you could ride on top of tanks in HLL as well

[shell owl]

Yeah but, if flaming fuel is leaking all over you thats probably not good

[worthy charm]

I want to stop randomly every 2 seconds.

[finite berry]

Naturally, but a bullet would only cause a small hole.

[worthy charm]

You can, just not with seats. Its already better than a few years ago where you would die, when standing on a moving vehicle

[finite berry]

A leaking flamethrower would not cover you excessively in flamethrower fuel

[hybrid hazel]

4 Italian maps would be cool as well

[novel geyser]

Even if you had a pistol you'd probably be killed anyways
Pistols kinda suck in this game

[hybrid hazel]

I seen a guy on German side who's username was Kanye west

[shell owl]

Checks out

[hybrid hazel]

After shooting him I just busted out laughing

[nova pivot]

They need a buff

[hybrid hazel]

I wish the m1917 revolver is in the game

And a double barrel shotgun

C96

Luger po8

[wind shore]

Hello

🍺

[empty steppe]

Eh

[empty steppe]

No

Maybe for the Germans in Berlin 😅😂

[hybrid hazel]

At least a po8 and c96

[empty steppe]

The Lugers po8 is in the game 🤣

[wind shore]

Is it wrong?

Model

[empty steppe]

Nope I don’t think so

[wind shore]

Pretty fast and nice weapon for close range

[empty steppe]

The po8 was produced all the way up to 1943ish in Germany I believe

[wind shore]

Walther is ok also, but I use Lüger

[finite berry]

*Luger

[hybrid hazel]

And the mp28

[polar prism]

We need Italians at Tobruk!

#1353035637800046653

[quiet hornet]

I got a question when I join the tank commander I don't have a tank nor is there one around me

[slate canopy]

You have to go to one of the HQ spawns and climb into a tank.

I also suggest getting at least one more player since solo tanking is not great.

[novel geyser]

The teams commander has to spawn one or wait one to spawn naturally in the hqs
Best to just ask the commander

[tropic pecan]

Is it just me or do Team17 give the impression that they still have no idea and are not working on the stuff that is actually on the roadmap?
They where answering the questions very political and vague and said that they can't go into detail at the moment (eg. the actual armor and medic rework). it was a lot of "will need to PTE this", "we will see", and so on.
Like wtf isn't that what a Q&A should provide.... Answers?!

[slate canopy]

They can't reveal EVERYTHING since there is still competition out there.

[worthy charm]

Sometimes their ate very vague yes, but this Q&A stream was a huge improvement over the last one. Im happy they are doing more of them now.

[river rover]

PTE is a way to get the feedback for things that may or may not be worth while and gives them enough time to revert things if possible.

[worthy charm]

Now the mods gather

[cyan saddle]

I mean there's definitely a number of things they probably don't know the answers to themselves yet either

[analog apex]

yep, 95% of the answers were
"maybe we will try this"
"maybe we will look at that"
"maybe we could do this"

But that much we have known even without a QA and even before. I expected that in QA, they will tell us what they already decided to work on and how.

[cyan saddle]

Like they said with the medic. They want to do something, and they've started thinking/testing about what they could do, but haven't come to a conclusion just yet.

[analog apex]

But they should have at least a end-vision for it and share it with us.

[cyan saddle]

They did though?

They said which problems they wanted to address.

They shared how they're looking to potentially address them.

[analog apex]

Reminded me of the old AMA... they said a lot of stuff there too. But what did we get?

even before T17 was sacked

We need to see concrete goals and concrete ways of achieving them.
no more vague stuffs - that time has been long past

[tropic pecan]

I will be honest. the state is pretty much the same as before the QA with just the Roadmap, where you could interpret a lot into each of those bullet points on the Roadmap

[worthy charm]

Im really looking forward to the dev brief and pte about danzig that Carl talked about. It wasnt something I could have imagined.

This really came out of nowhere

[analog apex]

☝️
QA's point was to shed some light on the ROADMAP's topics, not to make even more questions about them than before the QA itself.

There was not much light, just a fog.

[cyan saddle]

Sure. I suppose it depends on how you went into the QnA. I wasn't expecting them to have everything figured out, let alone reveal everything just yet. I'm just happy they clarified what they were looking to address, shared some interesting insights, and managed expectations a little by stating what not to expect.

[tropic pecan]

and regarding addressing the medic issue, pretty much saying they will "tweak some numbers and values here and there" is just dissappointing to me

[river rover]

They did mention a lot of things they've been toying with and a lot of it wasn't even part of the roadmap. The things in the roadmap are things they want to complete 100% by year end. It's very possible some of those other items could magically appear.

[worthy charm]

I believe until they release it fully there will always be questions.😅

We will see though it was somewhat promising...

[analog apex]

yep, but they din't tell us anything concrete - there would be always questions ofc, but only about the details of the way of achieving a goal. Not questions about the whole way of doing it. We have had that even before the roadmap, and even before QA.

[river rover]

That's how I look at everything. I'm here for it and time will tell. Anything is a plus. The game is 5 years old and it's a miracle they are still even producing anything for it. I've gotten my 30 bucks out of the game years ago.

[tropic pecan]

I mean we are almost 4 month into 2025 and they are just giving the impression that they have sometimes no clue about their own game. for example the issue that bipods can't be deployed in every window

[worthy charm]

Absolutly, they should be way more specific in their def briefs about it. Its enough for a stream in my opinion, but more information is required so we can try to understand what they want to do and give them more feedback how we imagine it to be.

[finite berry]

I just wonder why you even put stuff on a roadmap where you apparently haven't even decided how you want to do it. Don't you announce something on a roadmap after you have a clear idea of how it can be done so you can guarantee that it will actually make it into the game this year???

[analog apex]

this ☝️
4th month into 2025 they should have already had some specific plans of how to go about this or that topic. Feels like they are just thinking about random ways yet. And even then they don't seem to can decide.

[worthy charm]

Its indeed impressive there still is work on this game, in this industry you can see games which are bigger than hll die in a few weeks. I paid like 20€ back in early access and it was a great deal.

[analog apex]

They called 2025 a "year of trying out stuff" or something in that sense. But 1/4th has already passed and yet they are still on the drawing board only.

[arctic rampart]

The squad leads need some QoL? First time hearing about it from SoggySocks4295 via twitch chat!!! Blasphemy!

They're trying a new maximum time to delay stuff til the majority get pissed

[worthy charm]

Burn them at the stake!!! /s

[arctic rampart]

The idea of my comment was to outline that it felt like the questions from Twitch chat (although most being dogwater and pointless) were the first time ever they heard about the most basic stuff we talk about in here nearly every day.

[tropic pecan]

Also the "year of trying out" is just mind blowing to me.
With all the suggestions we have been gathering on this discord or even on reddit or somewhere, shouldn't be the core issues be clear that needs to be addressed?

[analog apex]

And and about the suggestions... they say they read the suggestions here, they say they play the game... so how the heck can they keep (just for example) the Soviet arty blocked by being sunken in the terrain on Kharkov? Rly, just one example of maaaany.

Not to mention they never EVER responded here anywhere on the HLL discord, we don't even know their discord names.

[river rover]

I would think of it as a prelude to a HLL2 and UE5. Just my own opinion.

[arctic rampart]

Mfers probs clocked like 40 hours within the time span when T17 acquired it... "They play it" xddd

[worthy charm]

Nah, with respect their way of saying they do read the suggestions came over somewhat weird...😅 I do want to believe them, it didnt feel Carl and Craig tried to lie to us. In the past it just didnt feel like they read discord at all...

[tropic pecan]

As well as the "rework" of flamethrowers and precision strikes. If it really is just what they told us for the Tobruk PTE of "tweaking values and numbers here and there" and making the precision strike destroy some defenses as well, I will me mad

[arctic rampart]

PRECISION STRIKES CAN BE USED AGAINST FORTIFICATIONS
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

[worthy charm]

That came out of nowhere😂

[arctic rampart]

Initiates a vote kick against commander