mess-hall

[worthy charm]

Right now, we have the best state of communication since wombat left.

If it stays like this we are in for a great 9 months.

[cyan saddle]

Ben's biggest mistake so far was making me mod

Other than that he's been doing a fantastic job

Maybe except that @ here he dropped

[thin scarab]

Should have bin a @ everyone

[cyan saddle]

I was out for dinner at the time so I missed it 😦

[gentle lintel]

What were you eating and where were you at

[cyan saddle]

They were trying to teach me how to use chopsticks

[gentle lintel]

Fools

[cyan saddle]

At a korean bbq place

[worthy charm]

Only 6 hours of sleep? That aint healthy...

[gentle lintel]

I can’t stay asleep 😠

I’ll usually get up around this time, then have half a hour nap before needing to get up 😔

[worthy charm]

Uff, I couldnt imagine how that, last week I got into bed early and slept for 10 hours without a break.

I felt like Baby the next day.

[gentle lintel]

That’s cute, little baby 🥰

[worthy charm]

Not sure how to react to that...😅

[wind shore]

Hello all!

[covert elbow]

Should have made me mod tbh

[cyan saddle]

I wouldn't want to do that to Drew

[covert elbow]

Lmao

[worthy charm]

Have you applied already?😆

[novel geyser]

Should've given me control of the entire server tbh

I'd make a great leader of the people

[worthy charm]

democrazy

[wind shore]

Herr should became mod

[worthy charm]

I would vote for anyone giving us gifs in here

[wind shore]

he has very good communication skills

i haven't seen him in any conflicts in discord, he is calm

[covert elbow]

No because I knew I wouldn’t get it lmao

[worthy charm]

If you say so😅, I take any compliment I can get these days.

[covert elbow]

With the way I talk about the game they wouldn’t give it to me

And I wouldn’t want to lose my freedom of speech to talk about the game

[worthy charm]

Its not that bad.

The rant wouldnt be there anymore...

[cyan saddle]

But what's your stance on medic rework

[worthy charm]

But ey we got Sam for complaining anyway, he is enough for this discord.

[covert elbow]

I don’t want to stop lmao

[covert elbow]

Very curious on what they mean by this tbh

If it’s just giving them better weapons and dragging it’s going to be bad

[worthy charm]

I think what alt said in his roadmap Video is good.

[cyan saddle]

Don't tell Berg but I haven't watched it

[worthy charm]

Dont make the game worse for everyone just to make medic good.

[covert elbow]

Me either

[worthy charm]

Youre all a bunch of very naughty bois...

[covert elbow]

I mean you have to to make medic with a damn

Like I said. Curious to see the live stream and what they have in mind

[worthy charm]

I hyped for the stream. Im sure it will be great, especially because they will most likely talk about the new vehicle.

[covert elbow]

Also curious about what that’s going to be

Crossing my fingers it’s not super heavy tanks though

I have a pretty strong feeling it’ll be and destroyers tbh

[cyan saddle]

Sponsorship with F1

[covert elbow]

What?

[cyan saddle]

Limited time racing mode

[covert elbow]

Oh

[worthy charm]

Nah, i hope for cooler halftracks (so with a pak or autocannon) or a stug

[covert elbow]

Stug would be a TD Kek

But yea more halftrack varients would be amazing

[worthy charm]

Im so bad at racing games...

[covert elbow]

Switch out the current Halftracks for a radio varient

[worthy charm]

Even worse than in a shooter

[cyan saddle]

I wouldn't know, I never play any

Except for the rare Mario Kart game when over at a friend

[covert elbow]

I’be never met anyone who actually played racing games tbh

Except for Mario kart

[worthy charm]

Me in Kingdom Come 2 -> poison the horse for an easy win

[wind shore]

In WW2 were own radio cars like Sd.Kfz 15

[covert elbow]

Wish I had the money for kingdom come deliverable tbh. It looks really fun

[worthy charm]

Pebbles best horse objectively

[wind shore]

you know, that if you press ALT or Circle on PS, you will hide in the MG place in halftrack

[worthy charm]

You didnt give me you Email for the PC money, so I guess you wont take any here either🥲

[wind shore]

just very good thing, if you getting under attack

[covert elbow]

I know your just trying to scam me

I won’t fall to you

[worthy charm]

Its nice to have but I used that MG maybe 2 times😅

[covert elbow]

You and your beautiful smile

[worthy charm]

-# damn, another one who is to smart... Business is so hard these days.

[worthy charm]

I wish they would allow stuff from other servers in here. I got a bunch of emojis from me on another server.

[covert elbow]

Same

[worthy charm]

They are all so good looking.

[wind shore]

it's situative, could be nice in some maps - halftracks

like Foy for example

[worthy charm]

Obviously they look like me after all😏

[wind shore]

Herr only abuse - enemy team , with 200+ kill streaks..)

[worthy charm]

Nah, I am not nearly good enough to pull that of. In a good pub tank round i maybe get to 100 Kills.

Im a pretty average public Player...🥲

[wind shore]

to be honest, i'm also not good for infantry, it depends on which weapon, gamemode ( in offensive more kills )

in tank or sniper i can make 90-110 kills

[keen verge]

is this strictly for hll discussion?

[worthy charm]

This channel is intened to br used like that.

But we are the cool Kids and dont care 😎

There is a channel for non-hll stuff #off-topic-mess-hall

[keen verge]

my love for hll has been revived on that topic

yesterday i hopped on a battle of the bulge server as Germany, was playing defense

we won on the first objective, i scheimessered a bunch of noobs charging at the objective

full automatics in a game where 90% of people have semis is fun

i hate not playing as officer

my officers mostly suck

[keen robin]

does anyone know why official servers are not displaying?? i'm in NA and I understand it's late, but i figured there must be some people playing right now

[novel geyser]

Do you have official servers filtered out or something?
Community servers are generally better anyways since they actually have moderation

[keen robin]

no i've hit the "reset filters" multiple times

[novel geyser]

Open the actual filter list resetting it might filter out official ones
But again I'd recommend sticking to community servers

[keen robin]

understood

[vagrant ingot]

guys why we cant deploy our mgs on the tanks it is so dumb😭

[simple sluice]

My game keeps going full blast on FPS while I turned on V-Sync. I rebooted it a few times and I have no launch perimiters set in Steam. I want it to be capped at 60 FPS instead of using full GPU power. V-Sync is enabled and in the GameUserSettings.ini contains FrameRateLimit=60.000000 . Any idea?

[vagrant ingot]

as i know v sync is for stabilizing ur fps to ur screens refresh rate

but i may be wrong i recommend u to search bout it on reddit

[worthy charm]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1271341876569575505 in there are a few usefull tips, if nothing help as in #1271718922734796865 . In there are smarter people than me, who might help you.

[simple sluice]

I just noticed NVidia App is setting it's optimalizations as well, just had a fresh install so that could also be the cause. I will look further into it, thanks.

[vagrant ingot]

hey how did u optimized hll on nvidia app. I couldnt find it on app

[cyan saddle]

All I believe it does is look at your GPU and change your in-game settings to whatever it claims give you the most fidelity your system allows

Then again I disabled it years ago so maybe it's been changed

But at the time it didn't work at all in practice

[pine ember]

I hope they do not continue on map specific paid DLC

[ashen basin]

Why? It's just gonna be harder to make content for ppl who like the time/map accuracy

[pine ember]

Either map specific and free or paid and usable on all maps

[ashen basin]

🤔

[pine ember]

The whole DLC topic in general is questionable

[whole river]

Hi, i am pretty new to the game, just curious to know how devs deal with cheaters because i have experienced strange headshots while running or helping allies while in smoke cover or hiding in the bush, this problem is more noticeable in night maps?

As its very hard to spot enemies, my best guess is that some players use software to highlight enemies so they can spot you faster and just fill with bullets either behind the bush or smoke

[cyan saddle]

It's not uncommon for people to turn their brightness up on nightmaps

Other than that, spotting enemies comes with experience, I wouldn't suggest they're cheating

There will be one occasionally, mainly on Official servers, therefore it's recommended you play on Community servers. There you can always reach out to community admins if you suspect anything, they can then investigate.

[wind shore]

after introducing the new maps, for example, or new DLC's, it could be hodgepodge

Panzer Lehr division was founded in 1944, but it's not locked for Eastern front maps

and was used only in Normandy

[pine ember]

It was also used in Ardennes

[wind shore]

+-, but not on other maps

10 maps for this uniform, it's enough, excluding other maps

[novel geyser]

Their way of doing the cosmetic restrictions was absolutely terrible. I think rather than locking them to only one map they need to make sure they can be used on more than one and introduce subfactions

[pine ember]

If its paid, you should be able to use it on every map

If it is restricted it should be free

[wind shore]

so , that's enough uniforms now

[novel geyser]

I personally wouldnt mind if the paid DLCs I got were limited to their appropriate maps because I like that sort of histroical accuracy. But I think something has to be done about people running around in winter gear on non-winter maps

[pine ember]

We dont need even more at the moment

[novel geyser]

their first attempts at cosmetic restrictions should have been with the base game and free items and figure out what to do with paid DLC later

[wind shore]

Yes, they doing it just for fun

[lean pike]

does anyone here know if angling actually does anything in HLL?

[novel geyser]

angling?

you mean like tank hits or something?

[lean pike]

Having the Tank at an angle

[novel geyser]

as far as Im aware it does nothing

tanks are extremely simple with their damage

[lean pike]

Its just that the ricochets in this game seem very random

[novel geyser]

ricochets only happen when hitting angled plating that wouldn't penetrate anyways

like a sherman turret from the front with a round that wont penetrate will ricochet, flat plating just has a sort of spalling impact, but an angled shot on a part that would pen will pen

theres not much complexity to it. Ricochets are basically all cosmetic flair

[lean pike]

alr cheers 👍

[novel geyser]

people will often point to this site for HLL tank knowlege, idk how up to date it is tho
https://www.theline.gg/tankbible

tbh I might be completely wrong I dont really play tank much

[past veldt]

Angling does work

It's especially useful in a 76, as you can bait out shots onto the front plate.

But if your shell is 1 lvl heavier (panther/tiger Vs 76 side plate, for example) then it will never ricochet.

Some spots non-pen but that is different

[novel geyser]

yeah just tested it out I was wrong

[novel geyser]

I was a dummy angling does work

[lean pike]

Ill have to try properly angling next time im in a game to see if its good.

[past veldt]

It's tricky to drive it properly. You have to hope either you don't expose side plate or that the enemy tank doesn't understand the mechanics and shoots front anyway

But if you're in a heavy v heavy fight and you get side plate as an option, you pretty much want to always take that option (don't hit tracks)

[novel geyser]

my general tank experience is drive to the front, shoot a bit of infantry and get one shot out of nowhere and repeat

[past veldt]

There is a reason the tank meta is heavy v heavy

[worthy charm]

Angling isnt that important though. Its mostly skill issue when someone bounces.

[oak current]

what if I hit a Tiger with a Katyusha Strike?

[novel geyser]

often times the biggest issue I face is AT and satchels actually the worst thing ever

[past veldt]

You'd be considered a god amongst men

Especially if you do it during a tournament semi final

[novel geyser]

very rarely will run into an enemy tank and if we do its usually when we arent in a heavy lol

[oak current]

And if your name is Critical

[lean pike]

Try and ask another squad for infantry support or just stay back and snipe

[past veldt]

It would be a real coincidence

[novel geyser]

oh trust me we do

[worthy charm]

EYYYYY, I have seen you Video about the roadmap! Great stuff, but i honestly find it so funny when you roll ever 2nd R.

[wind shore]

you did it?

[novel geyser]

we stay back and snipe? satchel

ask for infantry support?
no one listens

[past veldt]

Just stay near friendly inf

Tanks who push beyond their inf and then cry because they don't get support are dumb

[oak current]

Nah, @past veldt did. #hll-videos message

[lean pike]

My last resort is to just hop out of the tank and shoot them with my smg

[lean pike]

true

[past veldt]

What a guy

[novel geyser]

most of the time we just dont even notice it going on, I usually play gunner one of my friend spots and we never usually see the guy with the satchel, and we can never seem to hear it over everything else

we use cover, never go out into the open. Try and stick with infantry the best we can and the like

[past veldt]

Truly the worldwide #1 commander that is British and has played on both NA and EU teams in PC competitive

[novel geyser]

we might be more successful than I think. But I expect a tank to accoplish a lot more in one life than infantry can

[worthy charm]

Same, I dont know how people hear the satchel over the other sounds. Even just the engine is enough to not hear it for me.

[past veldt]

If your tanks total combat is 3k, you've done good work

That's generally what I think is the benchmark metric

[worthy charm]

That still easy to do, even in a pub game.

[novel geyser]

I think the best we did at one point was destroy a garrison and a bunch of outposts along with the entire enemy team, I can tell we were successful cause we ended up getting precision striked lol

[past veldt]

A teammate of mine has a specific EQ setting he uses to amplify the satchel noise

[past veldt]

Yeah, pub games aren't too tricky. Your average player doesn't know 50% of the games mechanics. But 1k score I think is still the benchmark

[novel geyser]

honestly I just beg for an AT limitation

and nerf satchel

[lean pike]

Some of my best games were just in light or recon tanks going behind enemy lines and causing havoc.

[novel geyser]

I've seen a lot of light tanks and recons just speeding behind our lines and AT doing nothing haha

I feel we seem to have the worst luck with who we are up against and what maps we play

almost all the time we play tank we end up going on hurtgen, remagen or hill and its just not fun

[past veldt]

Immediately quit and find a new server 😅

[worthy charm]

Is that "allowed"?😅

[past veldt]

Players clearly use filters which allow them to see through smokes in competitive. I wouldn't think too hard on a specific EQ setting

[novel geyser]

cring

[past veldt]

Yes

Totally agree it is cringe

[worthy charm]

Ok, comp does comp stuff I guess...

[novel geyser]

all the more reason for me to not like comp HLL lol

never touched the stuff
never will

[worthy charm]

Seems just a bit sideways, to play around with the game like that.

Where is even the fun?

[past veldt]

Some people enjoy min/maxing

[novel geyser]

Comp just seems to me like its all about abusing exploits
comp players were crying over them removing the "prone jump" because it let them break out the map boundries and get to places they werent meant to be

[past veldt]

It is a lot about abusing as much as possible. It's whatever, it's possible to play on top teams without doing that stuff (example: me)

[worthy charm]

Maybe in MMOs like WoW or other games like Stellaris, but why in a WW2 shooter? I dont get some people...

[past veldt]

You don't need to understand why someone finds something fun. I'm sure you enjoy a lot of stuff i could consider dumb

Why a WW2 shooter? Because there aren't many options for large scale FPS games in a setting which people enjoy

Some people genuinely just enjoy breaking the game. We spent some time hanging out just learning how to force tanks to flip into the air

[worthy charm]

That sounds like fun😂

[past veldt]

Sometimes moments like that are useful to use in a game, but we had some fun just hanging out with friends doing dumb stuff

[past veldt]

We got it high enough that in the right circumstances we could probably get over buildings

[worthy charm]

Nah, min maxing which ruins someone elses fun is very meh for me.

[past veldt]

Any skill difference will lead to less fun for someone else

[worthy charm]

When I lose to someone in for example in LOL, because Im bad its fine for me, but losing to some dude who need unfair advantages to win just sucks...

[past veldt]

I think using things like smoke filters isn't good. Using filters generally... Whatever. There's a line somewhere.

I don't think that knowing particular rooftops or bushes to climb is bad. It's all in the game

[pearl ledge]

wait what. Those are some of the best tanking maps. Remagen especially. Every just complains about Hill/hurtgen because they suck at driving lol

[cyan saddle]

Smoke filters are banned in competitive also, worth pointing that out

[past veldt]

Just essentially impossible to police it, unless the person using it is dumb

[novel geyser]

trees just get in the way most of the time
remagen is ok I suppose but german tanks often times just get easy snipes from the cliff last I played
remagen is just the worst map in the game anyways

[past veldt]

Is Nvidia profile inspector explicitly banned btw? I don't currently have access to the rulebooks to particularly look

[worthy charm]

You sure can tank on those maps, the hills, cliffs and trees just are very annoying...

For that reason is foy the best map ever

[novel geyser]

I imagine kharkov and Kursk are great tank maps too but I've not really got a chance to play tank on them

[arctic rampart]

Wtf? You got like 20 hours in the game? 😄

[past veldt]

Kursk is pretty dull. Just shooting into HQs at max or past render range

[arctic rampart]

Hate Kursk, so annoying to play

[novel geyser]

821 hours mostly infantry

I only play tank when I have a full squad to play it which is not common

[cyan saddle]

what's this

[arctic rampart]

I play tank solo when I start hating everybody around me

[novel geyser]

great my game keep resetting my graphics settings when launching now

hooray

[dusty bolt]

Good morning chat

[empty steppe]

What is objectively the worst tanking map in the game?

[arctic rampart]

Carentan

[pearl ledge]

Personally i would argue Stalingrad is the worst map in the game. Remagen is amazing it just runs like garbage.

[empty steppe]

Hurtgen is also terrible

[novel geyser]

Heeelll no Remagen is awful. It wouldnt be half as bad if the bridge was always the central point

I quite like stalingrad

[arctic rampart]

L take.

[empty steppe]

Well the thing is as a tank you can just sit up on top of that hill for the German side

[novel geyser]

a bit too open in areas which they might resolve with the refresh but its not nearly as bad as remagen

[empty steppe]

Purple Heart lane is up there…

Those ditches are just so annoying

[arctic rampart]

The only reason Driel wasn't in the same trashcan as Ramagen is because in Driel you can cross the water anywhere. If that wasn't the case, it would be written off as dogwater as well

[empty steppe]

Totally true

[arctic rampart]

Cause it functions 1:1 with Ramagen, the only exception is the German hill side on Ramagen. Which makes it just insanely one sided unless you're in a offical server or playing with bozos

[empty steppe]

Hill 400 is incredibly frustrating as well

[pearl ledge]

I'd say carentan one of the worst tank maps you can have some good games but usually your gonna get satcheled. PHL one of best tank map in game just don't try to cross those ditches lol.

[novel geyser]

easiest way they could fix remagen is to make the bridge the ONLY capture point for the middle sector

[arctic rampart]

Oh damn, I actually forgot about 400.
Objective then I'd say it's 400 that's the worst for tanking. Carentan can still be stretched in various methods and on various points as where 400 tanking on all points just sucks

[novel geyser]

but that wouldnt solve airheads being the only viable option to cross

[empty steppe]

That’s pretty true, and the ditches on carentan are notorious

[pearl ledge]

Amazing how many people still don't know this lol. I swear like 75% of players think the bridge is the only way

[empty steppe]

Yeah I don’t even think you can get to the mid point on that map with a tank 😅😭

[empty steppe]

german sniper hiding under the bridge

[pine ember]

Best 3 maps: Kharkov, Carentan and upcoming Tobruk. Worst 3: Remagen, PHL and Driel

[arctic rampart]

You can physically, it's just really frustrating to do with little to no benifit

[empty steppe]

Kharkov?? I respect 😂😭

[arctic rampart]

In official servers yeah, most likely the case

[empty steppe]

I think SDM is the best map in the game, most balanced, best played for me

[arctic rampart]

Kharkovs west side of the map sucks balls

[worthy charm]

Driel aint that bad, but I liked the first Version better

[pine ember]

I dont get why many people hate it, sure, its a bit open in some areas, but otherwise it plays well in my opinion and just is so unique

[empty steppe]

Yeah I’ve never been a fan of it

[pearl ledge]

Kharkov is great when it's not fog variant.

[empty steppe]

My top three is SME, SMD, and Elsbourne

[arctic rampart]

The stupid hills that can snipe 5 square radius.
Water mills just an empty point with barely any flanking possible, since west is just empty.
Top left point is also impossible to attack, since both South and East is just running over flat fields against the enemies HQ 10-sec spawn timer.
Bottom left is the same, just for axis.

Top right also is bad for attacking, since south is empty and west is enemy mid-hq. So you can only flank if the enemie's dented in the head.

Mid row points as well as mid and bottom east-side are pretty good

[empty steppe]

Thinking about it SME is probably the best balanced

[pine ember]

Elsenborn one big lag fest for me, and SME and SMDM feel too samy

I played both so many times, Im tired of them

[dusty bolt]

@upper canopy hellooooo

[empty steppe]

They are played a lot because they play well I think

But we could use some more variety

[arctic rampart]

Elsenborn's pretty cool in the views it provides, but my main gripe with it is, are the garrison locations. The map wasn't planned with garries in mind.
All other maps, like Carentan, SME, SMDM and what not have specific positions that properly are siezed off by sector borders where you can make garries and expect them as such. They're usually decent positions to attack from, as well as defend from.

As where Elsenborn, most of the garries just have to be thrown down and hope no one locks 'em

They end up being in weird, pixel perfect spots just to cover the flank or you have to leave them bare naked in a field

I would showcase examples in this great hll-related channel, but our great masters still don't allow us to place images here... smh

[pine ember]

Yes, of course, and they are the classics of HLL. But both feel almost the same and we could really use some variety

[empty steppe]

This is true

[past veldt]

Hospice is quite axis favoured, church is quite allies favoured, checkpoint is difficult to retake for either team but probably harder for allies. It's not that balanced

But, it's still fun to play the map. The flow in the town is nice

[dusty bolt]

Are you playing apl @past veldt

[empty steppe]

Well every map is going to have a bit of bias per point

[pine ember]

Yeeeees, thats it. When Checkpoint is the middle point, I leave every time

[past veldt]

WTH aren't playing. I don't have a team to Merc for at the moment

[pine ember]

SMDM is better than SME in my opinion

[empty steppe]

But I just don’t know any others as well balanced

[dusty bolt]

Ohhh

[pine ember]

But the best Normandy map is Carentan for sure

[past veldt]

Right, but Hospice and church are massively one sided

[empty steppe]

SMD is pretty good but I think that middle point sort of favors axis

[past veldt]

It's possible to retake for both teams tbh

[arctic rampart]

Mid is the bomb

Garry spots for both teams in attempts to retake it are just perrrrrfect

[empty steppe]

If you look at the map, the church is a bit toward the axis, but hospice is directly on the line, yes it’s harder to take if you don’t get there in time and they can use there defenses. But it’s sort of meant to play that way in my experience

You also have to remember most of these maps are built to be US offensive maps, hence the Dday operations. So German defenses would be built up facing the enemy ofc and not much to the backside

[dusty bolt]

wtf was that

[solemn star]

what I just did or something else? Also sup glow, been a long time lol

[past veldt]

The church on SME is wildly towards allies idk what you're saying there.

Hospice has proven to be axis favoured across many years in competitive. The routes to point and the ability to recap favour axis massively

[empty steppe]

Maybe I’m mixing up my sides

[past veldt]

You are

[empty steppe]

Sry

[cyan saddle]

Still waiting for the day you let me and Ginger have our Driel game

[past veldt]

The issue is, this is a video game. The developers need to learn for new maps that it's so much more fun for players if the maps are balanced. Historical accuracy is nice, but shuffling the strongpoints across to be equal is so important for fun gameplay

[past veldt]

Luckily for you, I don't have much say in these things

[empty steppe]

Well here’s the thing, then what map is better balanced the SME?

*Or maps

[pine ember]

Remagen

[past veldt]

There isn't a map with perfect balance. Nowadays we generally look at specific points for balance in comp because we can pick specific points for playing on.

I'm not saying SME isn't the most balanced or whatever, I'm saying that even within this there is imbalance on the points

[pine ember]

No, honestly I think SMDM is pretty balanced, Carentan aswell and I also noticed that Kharkov is pretty balanced too

[past veldt]

If we use the helo system website which tracks comp games, then yeah, SME is balanced. But you have to look at which points are played, which teams are playing etc

https://helo-system.de/statistics/winrates?series=2024

You could consider 'recapability' because defence has inherent benefits Vs assaulting. In competitive, first-cap bias is really strong

[arctic rampart]

How tf does Hill 400 have a 78% axis winrate if the map favours allies so much?
My only 2 points would be

• Lack of data (only 9 games)
• Axis weaponry

[past veldt]

I say competitive because we just don't have stats for public games

[past veldt]

Could be team imbalance, weaponry, which cap sector is played

These stats might include events which have a bit more the randomness that public games have too

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, but that's the crazy part. All 3 mid points are 100% allies caps

[past veldt]

Where imperfect truck routes are used or someone crashes a tank on opener or whatever

[arctic rampart]

Rcon v2 🙏

[past veldt]

You can look at Hill400 and see that only 50% of teams which cap first wins the game

Which is less than the like 70% average by some margin, so axis weaponry or ping might be a big factor

[empty steppe]

I think some of these maps major server owners might have good data, I think I’ve seen souls once

[cyan saddle]

I believe when the Brits update was released I compiled some stats for Alemein and Driel

It was bad

Found it ("US" should be "GB")

[novel geyser]

I genuinely thought Driel would be very british sided because of the points all being on their side of the bridge. Turns out hydrogen bomb does infact beat coughing baby even if the coughing baby has a minor advantage

[cyan saddle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HellLetLoose/comments/13tyg6k/u14_gameplay_statistics_gb_vs_ger_winrate_weapons/

[grizzled kiln]

The f..80% win rate for Axis..wow

[cyan saddle]

I'm sure I've acknowledged it somewhere in the post as well but this is obviously a small dataset

[novel geyser]

the original british loadouts disproved my theory that the weapons dont matter as much as teamwork and stratagy, but thats because those weapons were REALLY bad

[cyan saddle]

Also from before they added subfactions to Alamein

[novel geyser]

I still hold onto that theory really, but aslong as the weapons arent launch british weapons

[toxic skiff]

Camo, much harder to see Axis players on forest or dark maps, especially if they have the forest camo

makes a big difference if you able to kill someone before they kill you imo

[arctic rampart]

Nah' it's not that big of a determening factor

[flint belfry]

Guys, here's a question, I finally bought XLL on Steam. Is it possible to return the progress from Epic Games?

Or I don’t know how to synchronize it somehow.

[toxic skiff]

Then what is?

M1 grand best weapon in game, hands down

[flint belfry]

For example, when I played in DBD, in Epic, it immediately said that I can add my progress to Steam

[toxic skiff]

You cant

[arctic rampart]

Well from such a small data set it can be most of the things Critical already mentioned, such as failed rollouts, unlucky with tanks getting killed quickly.

Also M1 is good, but the gewehrs just as good + germans have the STG as well as mg42

[empty steppe]

Stg-44 is the best all rounded weapon in the game

Just stat wise

[snow pond]

Grease gun pros represent

[toxic skiff]

Everyone has M1 grand though, not every Axis has Gewehrs. Mg42 is good, give it that but wouldnt make up for the win percentage. Hill 400 is not a tanking map, rarely see tanks do any good there. Could be map stats are not accurate but only big differnce is Axis harder to see. Hurtgen Offsive for Axis is almost impossible to see if they arent moving

I rarely see people use STG 44, Gewehr better imo

[grizzled kiln]

STG 🤌

[empty steppe]

Naaaaaaah

I almost wish the fg-42 was worth grinding…

But it’s not

[toxic skiff]

FG 42 scoped sniper is nice

[empty steppe]

Yeah scoped is great

It’s the automatic rifleman one

[toxic skiff]

yea, not great

[empty steppe]

If it had a bipod, a little less recoil, and firing modes

[toxic skiff]

hopefully the rework fixes bipods, so bad atm. Anyone know when the Dev Q&A is?

[grizzled kiln]

in about 2 hrs I think

[past veldt]

Select fire mode is the most pointless addition to the game

[crystal girder]

the recoil is controllable imo on the FG42, while sharp it is constant (maybe on console its too hard to deal with the sharp recoil climb), its the ammo count that makes it not worth for me, only 4 backup 20rd mags when the STG has like double the total rounds

[past veldt]

Just click once

[crystal girder]

this...

[toxic skiff]

I just wish they would add timestamps to team chat

And allow commanders to remove all marks on the map

[past veldt]

Fixing the map to show all the squads would be nice...

So many bugs that would be so so nice to have fixed... Just pray they're even looking into it

[cinder agate]

Hello i have a issue in this game, my gamr is stuck in loading screen and it always led to « connexion host lost » is there any ways to deal with this ? Its pissing me off i had none of this pb before

[lucid tusk]

I wonder if they'll show off any WiP stuff today

[meager tiger]

does anyone agree they should add the japanese faction and maps to play on?

[warped saffron]

When will Tobruk be coming out? Since I know they mentioned it a while ago

[grizzled kiln]

[warped saffron]

Coming Soon ™️ - 5 years ago

[past veldt]

Is your game installed on a HDD or SSD/NVME?

[novel geyser]

they announced the month its coming in telegrams, april

[flint belfry]

Damn, I'll have to raise my rank again in HLL, at least there is an account link, but here there are two different accounts...

I I think the developers should add the ability to synchronize accounts so that situations like mine don't happen.

[worthy charm]

Cross progression that would be.

Which may one day happen

or it wont, we dont know.

[toxic skiff]

highly doubt it will ever be added

[worthy charm]

I dared to doubt we will get a cool roadmap and here we are.

[flint belfry]

I'm just a bit stumped then, should I either wait for it to appear and I'll be able to sync my account, or play on a new one and level up again

[toxic skiff]

play on new one, cross account progress sync is not coming

[worthy charm]

What level are you?😅

If you arent like level 300 and max in every class, I wouldnt wait.

[flint belfry]

Well, not high, I just farmed, and played for medics, mostly and the officer, the last set was available

I could be a commander soon. I'm just one of those people who don't like and don't want to watch guides, but I learn on my own, from my mistakes and try to play in a team, although I noticed only once in my entire role as an officer People joined me and really listened. I play for the Germans

[past veldt]

'i play for the germans'

[worthy charm]

Drew with the german flag, now thats a good one

[gentle lintel]

idk what you're talking about

[empty steppe]

Commands not bad if you get through the first few matches of getting yelled at 😂

[worthy charm]

Je ne parle de rien du tout

[thorny acorn]

le french le bad

[worthy charm]

Le deeple

[thorny acorn]

le le

[worthy charm]

le le le

[flint belfry]

I have already managed to survive these screams, I remember the commander simply left because all the officers except me did nothing

[flint belfry]

We were just doing who knows what

Can you recommend me a server where I can really and seriously play?

I would be glad

[worthy charm]

Any community server is fine, it depends on the people there anyway

[pallid hinge]

What size screen do people reccomend, playing on ps thinking about getting a pc monitor to play on

[robust flint]

depends how far you sit from your screen i rate 🤔

[keen glen]

27inches , 4k 165hz

thats what my doctor said

for my eye health

[past vortex]

32" ofc

[grizzled kiln]

https://zowie.benq.eu/en-eu/monitor/xl2586x-plus.html

600 Hz or bust ❤️

[flint belfry]

By the way, I play almost at maximum settings, and it's awesome

I was just lucky that I was able to assemble a good PC myself.

[runic veldt]

New Eastern Front map is Smolensk btw

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah, think you're right

[pine ember]

We dont know yet

[runic veldt]

can only be that or Dnieper, wont be Dnieper though as no one has really requested it and they said that loads of people have suggested it

only other option is maybe another section of Kursk but I don't think they'll do that

[pine ember]

Kharkov city center?

[runic veldt]

Just confirmed on the stream bro, that it's 1943 summer campaign with the Soviet offensive

[pine ember]

I watch the stream myself...

But they did not say it will be Smolensk

[runic veldt]

There was only really 4 significant events that summer, the Donbas offensive, Lublin-Brest offensive, Dnieper battle then Smolensk/Gomel offensive

[runic veldt]

Wouldnt make much sense to do another section of Kharkiv or Kursk, I don't think that would go down well

[pine ember]

Lublin cant be in 1943

[runic veldt]

Was part of Op. Bagration where they crossed the Vistula

[pine ember]

Something in Leningrad might also be possible

[pine ember]

But that was not in 1943

[runic veldt]

On 18 July five armies of the 1st Belorussian Front (including one Polish army, the Polish First Army) deployed on the front's left wing south of the Pinsk Marshes, struck and shattered the defenses of Army Group North Ukraine 4th Panzer Army west of Kovel.

[pine ember]

Bagration wasnt in 1943

[runic veldt]

nm yh that was 44

[pine ember]

It was in 1944

[runic veldt]

ChatGPT failed me 🤣

[silk igloo]

Danzig mentioned. That's surprising.

[pine ember]

Yes

[pine ember]

Dont trust ChatGPT

[empty steppe]

All I want is a urban map

[runic veldt]

Got the premium version so it normally gets live sources, figured it might be right, since that's the case, it's 100% gonna be Smolensk then

[empty steppe]

Even a forest map

[thorny acorn]

they just announced that the new eastern front map is urban

[runic veldt]

there's no other significant battles that happened during the summer in 43

[pine ember]

Not certainly, we dont know it yet

[pine ember]

There are enough ones

[empty steppe]

I can’t watch it right now so keep updating what you guys are getting

[silk igloo]

torille

[thorny acorn]

danzig news, we might be getting it on a PTE, and Canadians are a possibility

[runic veldt]

Anyone know what he just said about the Finland thing

[thorny acorn]

we could have had skiis

lol

[silk igloo]

maybe, maybe not

[runic veldt]

no I mean the section

something Kamari?

[thin scarab]

What I learned up till now. Allot of man power wasted on Maps that are Not Coming out. Why Not Focus all those man power on fixing stuff ?

[bronze prawn]

u guys think the new tank will be the flamethrower sherman?

[runic veldt]

Tank Destroyers basically as the new vehicles

[silk igloo]

new type of tank, they said.

[runic veldt]

Nah itll be TDs, new type not variation of currents

[thorny acorn]

bicycles confirmed?

[silk igloo]

flamethrower tank was on the kickstarter goals, so im going to hold onto that

[empty steppe]

Churchill crocodile 🐊

Be cool if you could blow up the tank on the back or smth 😂

[silk igloo]

since everything seems to be so constricted regarding network and performance, might as well make flame damage super simple, like X damage to Y building to set it aflames for a period of time, killing everyone inside. then the flames die off and the building returns to normal. a lot less fussy than trying to make accurate flamethrowers otherwise

[arctic rampart]

Yo, anyone making a sum of the stream?

[gentle lintel]

there are questions

and there are answers

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-16452356357908045529

[thorny acorn]

no mortars D:

-# never say never

[runic veldt]

Most non answer ever to that Arty question

[past vortex]

yea someone plse sum it up, cant watch twitch

[bronze prawn]

ok so what is he insinuating, what are the community suggestions?

i didn't think the current meta of recon vs arty was that bad but thats just me

[past vortex]

are there actual answers?

[runic veldt]

Sounds like theyre just stopping HQ camping and imo probably moving HQs to another section. And whilst that happens probably just reducing number of arty guns id imagine and their reload speed

Also whats the difference between a game/level designer as this Carl fella seems to know the most and the game designer dude is barely answering 🤣

[bronze prawn]

would it be reasonable to assume that arty may just get new assets around it forcing recon to get closer?

[runic veldt]

Nah I think theyre gonna make it kinda like Squad, where the HQ is just further away and you cant access HQs or something

[bronze prawn]

would that mean that arty damage gets nerfed then? because by that plan wouldn't arty players become unkillable?

[thorny acorn]

[gentle lintel]

there expectantly aren't going to be many details revealed that haven't already been, but it's nice to gain more information on what has, what reworks mean, their ideas, etc.

[thin lotus]

Arty rework?

"We're addressing it"

Great answer! Didn't expect much more

[thorny acorn]

they confirmed it isnt mortars

[thin lotus]

Typical Q&A by T17

[grizzled kiln]

Yup pretty much 😄

[bronze prawn]

you make a good point, why even have these if youre not "allowed" to say anything lol

[grizzled kiln]

I remember the last one where they were going to fix tanks.

[thin lotus]

they're not competent enough to implement arching projectiles functioning as mortars

Another stale, extremely safe, and non-answer filled session

[bronze prawn]

i was goingto say well doesn't arty do that already and then i thought, well they probably just take the direction and mill setting and snapshot an explosion on that grid 30 seconds later lol

[tame shuttle]

The answers are a total nothingburger

[runic veldt]

Yeah I agree, disappointing. TBF props to the Carl dude, he actually gave some nice info on Danzig/Finnish forces and all that stuff, but imo they just genuinely for the most part don't seem particularly thrilled to be doing it

[pine ember]

What do you think will be the new eastern front map? I did not really understand what they meant if it will be urban or just not with big open spaces, which could hint a forest map

[thin lotus]

Yup. Mortars would have to be tehcnically implemented to account for obstacles within the mortars trejectory. Arty doesn't do this

[thorny acorn]

its urban and summer 1943

[pine ember]

I know

[humble perch]

Classic Chum.

[pine ember]

Kharkov city center?

[keen glen]

leningrad

[tame shuttle]

How many people are working on HLL?

[thorny acorn]

i think Carl mentioned that ppl already suggested it

[pine ember]

I got that too

[grizzled kiln]

35 devs

[tame shuttle]

ok thanks

[bronze prawn]

i think he said 30 something

[grizzled kiln]

A bit higher than my estimate of 1 guy working part-time 😄

[pine ember]

But no idea if it will be Smolensk like the chat guessed

[keen glen]

only 5 dev and a janitor thats it

[grizzled kiln]

35..but all are janitors 😮

[analog apex]

35 they said I believe (mentioned in the stream)

[jaunty shuttle]

im gonna be real, i dont blame the cm or the most of the devs but this is a pretty lackluster amount of content, esp after the content droughts last year

[empty steppe]

Was demanysk 42 or 43?

[thin scarab]

Less Hobby devs do more in S44 then 35 payed devs in HLL is really mindblowing if you think about it…

[thin lotus]

These are such inconsequential things being talked about

[pine ember]

Mainly 42

[empty steppe]

I don’t think so, they would probably find a different place

[runic veldt]

Disagree with rendering and flickering. Really annoying when it happens want to see that fixed

[pine ember]

I have no idea what it will be then

[covert elbow]

Man

[pine ember]

Smolensk was more in autumn

[covert elbow]

QA’s

[empty steppe]

Kiev possibly?

[pine ember]

That was in November

[covert elbow]

Can’t believe their doing an Arty rework without mortars

[empty steppe]

Yeah

[thin scarab]

Missed Chance

[empty steppe]

There moto is missed chance

[pine ember]

I was thinking towards something directly after Kursk like Belgorod

[tame shuttle]

I feel like HLL needs a roadmap like Rainbow Six Seige had with "Operation Health", all about fixing issues without adding stuff.

[analog apex]

I thought I heard them say that the mortars may be involved too... maybe I misheard?

[pine ember]

It makes me sad that it wont be a Fall Blau map

[past veldt]

They specifically said Mortars aren't involved

[thorny acorn]

mortars are a possibility but not a part of this arty rework

[covert elbow]

Not a missed chance, the obvious answer. I think we might get it because from what I can tell the list on the roadmap was just stuff they put on and they haven’t got a solid idea about what to do

[worthy charm]

Nah we wont get them with the rework.

[thorny acorn]

they said that

[worthy charm]

Maybe later tho

[covert elbow]

It’s a “maybe we will maybe we won’t”

[analog apex]

then what the hell are they reworking I wonder... not much room xD

[covert elbow]

Ikr?

[empty steppe]

Stalingrad square summer 😏😂

[covert elbow]

If you want to fix the arty loop then replace them with mortars!

[past veldt]

I'm baffled that we have a Q&A where they don't want to talk about upcoming content but are happy to discuss technical details on bugfixing etc

[thin scarab]

Will be a Commander ability I think

[honest bramble]

Hey everyone! happy weekend to all. I'm new to the game and eager to learn the ropes. if anybody's looking for someone to play with please DM me (I'm playing on EU btw)🫡

[thorny acorn]

doubt that based on what he was saying

[pine ember]

Guys... we get more DLC, can you believe it

[grizzled kiln]

Dan still hasn't said a word 😦

[runic veldt]

W my question got asked 😂

[thin lotus]

He's part of the 35 where they pretend work there.
THey probably consider CMs as part of this number too

[jaunty shuttle]

like yea im happy about the armour rework and likely TDs, but Finns and Poles are all but gone and it sounds like the arty rework is going to be pretty basic. It's sticks out that the BAR + FG42 bipod stuff is something they just earmarked as being added NEXT year -_-, like again im not mad at the devs but just let the community makes mod content at this point, that kept squad 44 alive and at this point HLL needs it

[analog apex]

he's an associate, Ian is probably his boss so the leaves the stuff to him... idk

[covert elbow]

Idk we actually got a lot of insight from Carl. It’s mainly they don’t want to have a definitive answer for what they’re doing which tbh I’m fine with. Especially with how they’re saying they want a ton more of community engagement with everything this year.

Will they actually listen and talk with the community? Doubtful considering I’ve seen the answers to their thoughts and questions a least a dozen time each in this discord alone

[snow pond]

is this the entire dev team?

[past veldt]

Honestly, if they don't have a definitive answer for what tanks they're releasing in 2025... Then there is zero hope for these tanks being useful

[thin scarab]

Yeah what I learned here from this Qa that they are wasting man power on stuff that is Not even Coming out….

[thorny acorn]

no there is like 30 more ppl

[covert elbow]

Yea idk how tf adding a bipod will take over a year. This game is absolutely plagued by management overreach

[covert elbow]

Carl said their are 35 devs along with their support teams

[worthy charm]

They said there are 44 devs atm

[thorny acorn]

they said 35-ish

[thin lotus]

Doesnt matter how many are on their team. Their input is consistently slow and underwhelming

[covert elbow]

It’s tank destroyers. There’s no way it’s anything else

[grizzled kiln]

nope, 35..

[analog apex]

impossible to disagree with that

[covert elbow]

Like I said overreach of management where they can’t do anything unless they get approval

This isn’t like BM where they could just add anything

[worthy charm]

I made notes... did they corrected themselfes?

[thorny acorn]

LETS GOOO DANS FIRST WORDS

[snow pond]

stagnation

[covert elbow]

Kinda yea

[empty steppe]

Finally lol

[jaunty shuttle]

given they've stated that they've got a handful of maps that are at least partially developed (Juno, Liinakhamari, Danzig), they've got to be sitting on a bunch of partially developed content. Tho some of that is probably understandably cancelled (e.g objective game mode), it's bfv dice levels of shelved content at this point

[covert elbow]

Also they didn’t snuff the Pacific but hey at least they have a very good answer on why it won’t be added

[pine ember]

No Pacific in HLL!

[covert elbow]

God please let me have a day with the devs I can answer all of there questions

[thorny acorn]

wtf happened to stream lol

ian became dan

[covert elbow]

Like I hear them say “we’ll need to talk to the community” and I just want to step in lmao

[covert elbow]

Don’t worry about it

IF YOU LOOKED AT THE DISCORD THEN YOUD HAVE YOUR ANSWERS TO ALL OF YOUR WUESTIONS

[pine ember]

Atleast there is no new US vs Germany map

[covert elbow]

I swear they only actually listen soulsniper and freshbakedgoods

WE DO HAVE THREADS OPEN

WE HAVE LITERAL HUNDREDS

[thorny acorn]

he just mentioned it

[covert elbow]

GOD DAMN IT MAN

[thin lotus]

words words words

[covert elbow]

It’s the fact that they said over and over they want community feedback when there’s so many different examples and discussions of everything

[jaunty shuttle]

i just wanted the finns and poles to at least be mentioned as still on the books :( It's just looks like both will remain in purgatory, which even regardless of the wasted content....that's a lot of time down the drain for those devs when it seems like they at least had a fair few assets made

[covert elbow]

Speaking of I’d love for the devs to actually have questionnaires we can directly answer

I’ll make a suggestion and tag Ben at some point

[arctic rampart]

Would you like to see more paid DLC in Hell Let Loose?

• Yes
• Yes

[covert elbow]

NO YOU DONT YOU LIERS

Gah

[thorny acorn]

they might watch it, you dont know

[grizzled kiln]

• micro transactions !!

[midnight nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/a-aside-haruka-nijo-argonavis-epsilon-phi-gif-21538302

[thorny acorn]

maybe our ideas are bad from their perspective

[arctic rampart]

Most of 'em are bad from everyones perspective

[wind meteor]

Fonz gave that q/a a 2.5 out of 5

[tropic pecan]

this QA just makes me sad...

[covert elbow]

Pretty much

[worthy charm]

Another stream?

[covert elbow]

Happy to have more QA’s though

[thorny acorn]

thats nice

[worthy charm]

nice nice

[covert elbow]

Oh?

[worthy charm]

Are you all hyped to play with Dan?

[thorny acorn]

I AM!

[covert elbow]

Hell yea

[worthy charm]

xD

Ok, thats the first thing Im gonna ask when ben is on here as well

[past vortex]

did they say anything about the obvious things?

the idiotic UI

[grizzled kiln]

Dan is just chill af.

[worthy charm]

Tank rework sounded great

No mortars

[covert elbow]

Oh god

[worthy charm]

and only vague stuff on medic

[covert elbow]

Another “not possible in the engine” response

[past vortex]

idc about new content/mechanics
i want the pure UI idiocy fixed

[covert elbow]

I swear this game

[thorny acorn]

they are just mentioning ui things, with SLs and managing squads

[mellow knoll]

Please….

[past vortex]

sad sad sad

[mellow knoll]

We really need someone who actually pays attention

Also the no mortars answer was a flat F in chat, no idea how artys gonna be meaningfully improved now

[ember pasture]

Did the devs say anything on maps and factions?

[covert elbow]

Hey Ben, call me up and I’ll give the best QA you guys will ever have

[runic veldt]

BFV imo was one of the best made WW2 games in terms of enjoyment, if they did the Eastern Front it would have cooked

[worthy charm]

They got work on danzig and juno beach but we aint getting them this year

[past vortex]

they can take all their stuff where the sun doesnt shine if they cant fix the scoreboard/map availability etc

[worthy charm]

Just a waste they never did that frfr

[thorny acorn]

and we are getting Danzig PTE probably

[analog apex]

nor confirmed to 2026 either :/

[worthy charm]

We will see...

[covert elbow]

Agreed. It’s a necessity at this point

[ember pasture]

Eastern front map could include Finland possibly

[covert elbow]

The map output is pretty pathetic tbh

Nothing can justify it

[thorny acorn]

nope, its not finland

[mellow knoll]

:/

[worthy charm]

Some stuff sounds really really promising and interessting, on other things they cant/wont say anything specific though.

[mellow knoll]

The only thing that sounds promising is the medic and armor rework imo

[thorny acorn]

35 devs working on 3 different versions of the game, it kinda justifies it

[ember pasture]

Brooooooo

[mellow knoll]

Maybe the sfx and vfx too but idk

[jaunty shuttle]

In parts, they did some cool stuff once they understood what to do, but man…..there was so much basically done content that was either delayed till the very last update (5v5 assets) or never added and something in the range of 30+ near finished weapons just sitting in the files

[covert elbow]

Which is fine. I’m more mad about how they say they listen to feedback despite them obviously not or having cherry picked information

[ember pasture]

So all we’re getting this year is Tobruk and reworks and that’s it?

[covert elbow]

What?

[lucid tusk]

I think i just got shamed

[covert elbow]

Lmao

[molten sail]

100000 questions about changing the gameplay ❌
1 question about volumetric particles on the flamethrower ✅

[worthy charm]

Deserved xD

[covert elbow]

Medic wasn’t even that promising. Like what was that medic box idea?

[thorny acorn]

pc, playstation and xbox versions of the game arent same

[mellow knoll]

Not to mention we get zero acknowledgment in the topics… all we get is community support, no yes/no/maybe answers from the devs.

[lucid tusk]

ITS A MEME WEAPON I NEED ANSWERS

[thorny acorn]

they just said it took them long time to push updates to console versions

[mellow knoll]

Medical tent maybe idfk

[covert elbow]

It’s the same as an armor rework. Theres no way to actually “solve” medic without a proper rework of the games fundamental systems

[covert elbow]

True

[mellow knoll]

Look what we need is a new game from what I can tell lmao

[rapid vessel]

have we heard something about the polish and finnish?

[covert elbow]

Still don’t understand how it takes that many devs away from creating maps though

[mellow knoll]

We’re severely restricted in this version of the game

[dawn tiger]

they said the eastern front map is set in summer 1943 and it's gonna be more urban-styled

[covert elbow]

Unless they only have a couple of devs for maps and a ton dedicated to the console versions

[covert elbow]

What it boils down to

[ember pasture]

Crap another random battle that still nobody knows the name of

[covert elbow]

From what I can gather their super restricted by the games limitation

[ember pasture]

What did they say about North Africa and Italy?

[worthy charm]

Someone should clip that crossplay talk...

[mellow knoll]

Basically the games messy code and old engine version is probably keeping them extremely restrained on what they can do

[worthy charm]

Im to lazy

[thorny acorn]

they are creating maps, carl said they have lots of maps in the work, but they arent finished

[novel geyser]

nothing about italy

[humble perch]

Smolensk I reckon, after all it takes place in summer 1943, it's urban and it is a popular recent suggestion.

[covert elbow]

Which means they need to focus on one at a time and stop spreading themselves to thin

[thin scarab]

They already said they fixed allot of the code stuff

[mellow knoll]

Sure but a lot remains

It’s easily noticeable

[ember pasture]

So we don’t know when we’re getting to play as not Germany

[arctic rampart]

I just tuned in

So they want feedback, but mfer doesn't read chat xDDD

[covert elbow]

Absolutely. Get the game updated to the best version of the engine they can get and and get a fresh new line of code to work on

[rapid vessel]

what happend to the old stuff? are we ever gonne get the finnish and polish maps and factions? i would love to see that returning? are there ever gonne get new gamemodes?

[novel geyser]

well tobruk is Britain vs Germany same as el alamein

[covert elbow]

Their gonna canabalize why they can but the Finn’s and Poles at this point are in purgatory

[mellow knoll]

That was answered early in the QA and they basically said not this year. Apparently they worked on a map for it but it was dropped

[covert elbow]

Also no talking about new gamemodes

[ember pasture]

Any mention of Italy at all? Tobruk was a colonial Italian city

[mellow knoll]

Yep, instead we get yet another god damn “where’s pacific” question

[novel geyser]

nope

[mellow knoll]

I can think of so many better questions

[covert elbow]

YES THERES A DRIVE WE’VE BEEN BEGGING SINCE LAUNCH

[thorny acorn]

bc lots of ppl are asking it

[novel geyser]

They're talking about italy rn however

[ember pasture]

I’m just kinda sad how for the next 3 quarters of 2025, we’re only getting 1 new map

[novel geyser]

They are interested in doing them, thats about it

[mellow knoll]

And it’s always the same predictable answer. The game isn’t made properly to house the pacific right now…

People don’t seem to acknowledge that

[covert elbow]

QA after QA we’ve seen the same answer. It’s to difficult to add and the game’s mechanics and gameplay itself would make the theater horrible

[thorny acorn]

then why is everyone asking it

[covert elbow]

The Japanese sucked in WW2. Only thing they had going was gurilla and stealth tactics along with fanaticism

[thorny acorn]

ik its a meme atp

[mellow knoll]

The fact that a question that was asked thousands of times before was answered yet again instead of a more important question is just annoying

[covert elbow]

Because everyone wants a chocolate bar but no one wants to make one

People don’t bother to do research on how this stuff would work

Or even think about it apparently

[worthy charm]

It might be a bit harsh but the spam was so stupid in the stream...

[quiet grail]

Is the stream going to be posted to YouTube

[covert elbow]

They need a slow mode

[covert elbow]

Hopefully?

[runic veldt]

I get his points, but halftracks shouldnt be locked imo, they need reworking, they were used to transport infantry and be used as a support for assaults and flanking.

At the moment it's just a spawn point... which because of how crucial SPs are, means people want them destroyed.

[novel geyser]

might be best for next time to only take questions from the discord and then a section of chat questions

[thorny acorn]

DAN for Tobruk Q&A!!

[analog apex]

They say they want to be "community driven". I haven't felt they have any vision and are picking just the stuff from the community.... a reason to be worried too tbh.

They must have some vision of their own but rly didn't notice any. 🤔

[novel geyser]

yeah I think they need to stick with their own vision rather than just following the loudest community suggestions and youtubers

[covert elbow]

And they haven’t even bothered to actually look at the community lmao

Most of their questions or thoughts have already been answered numerous times by multiple people agreeing on the solution

[lucid tusk]

Felt very political imo, lots of maybes and we're thinking about it type answers

[arctic rampart]

So a PR stream omegalul

[covert elbow]

It definitely seemed like nothing burger

[ember pasture]

Any specific maps or weapons?

[runic veldt]

I genuinely dont believe they have the capacity for it tbh, I googled their company, and they had a mass wave of layoffs last year, and are only hiring for an environment artist.

I think they're just understaff/funded for what HLL needs in regards to having a good amount of development, instead they don't have the experience or enough of it, it seems to be able to fix the issues the game has.

Just be better off rebuilding it from the bottom, but most of the community is against that

[novel geyser]

nothing more than they would be interested in doing them in the future

[covert elbow]

What they did have the ability to talk about was nice though. The explanation of old content and the technical side was good

[worthy charm]

Cant wait to play with Dan

Will be great

[covert elbow]

It’s absolutely that they’re understaffed and a sign of management overreach. This horse has been beat to a pulp but S:44’a dev team is much smaller but has more community interaction, content, and feedback

[analog apex]

yep, some of their thesis were like trying to invet a wheel that has been already invented by the community

[covert elbow]

Arty…

Tank stuff sounded great though

No more tiers. Finally

Stupid placeholder system will finally be banished from this realm

[cosmic pilot]

Bless

[worthy charm]

Tanks sounded like a 11/10, everything I could have wished for them to say.
The Arty one was weird though...

[grizzled kiln]

Well, let see if it ever gets implemented

[thin lotus]

"why not?"
"we'll take a look"
"never say never"
"this is something we can playtest"
"we're thinking of this"

Code for "No, it's not going to happen"
Know the signs.

The only sure thing we know is that they've designated a few YTers as the "mouth" of the community. There's an "in" to the devs but I don't expect any of those people to be pressing enough to get any meaningful changes implemented to the game

[simple sleet]

So, how do I make a thread?

[worthy charm]

Chum stay positive!

[covert elbow]

#1098158460463480842

You can make your “thread” here

[worthy charm]

You were faster again, damn

[shy relic]

Pretty hard to when they so hell bent on making new maps but no fixing current issues

[covert elbow]

Gotta be quicker on the draw cowboy

[covert elbow]

And the maps take over half a year

[shy relic]

Is it really easier to make new maps then to fix current issues? I no knowing about development

[covert elbow]

Also col just posted this in suggestions but yea holy crap this does seem like the complete 2025 roadmap again

They haven’t even started working on this stuff

SO WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING FOR 4 MONTHS

[empty iris]

They said in the stream that they have completed, playable maps that are unreleased. Holding back content and thus wasting man time for the studio for work that could've been focused else where.

[covert elbow]

Who knows anymore

[worthy charm]

Im kinda sad about mortars... Its hard to take that in...

Im gonna install the PTE now though

[lucid tusk]

Making a playable version of Juno that isn't releasing

[covert elbow]

*uncompleted. There most likely still in early to mid development periods

[shy relic]

It definitely seems like it

[covert elbow]

God that was confusing haha

[novel geyser]

its probably just rough block out phase

the maps are big so Im not really that surprised they take some time

[shy relic]

And it’s easier to make these new maps than to refine ones they have?

[covert elbow]

Like I know why the devs don’t do more QA’s is because of our discussions like this but Christ there’s not much else to do

[novel geyser]

no

[worthy charm]

Who know what kind of shananigans BM did when making their maps

[novel geyser]

this is also true
you try and edit a BM map you somehow end up breaking the bridge on Remagen

[shy relic]

But hopefully these new maps won’t have the same issues?

[novel geyser]

well from the little I've played of tobruk T17 seem better when it comes to the actual gameplay side of the maps

[worthy charm]

This stream is a 8,5/10, carried by tanks and their announcements on more PTEs.

I liked it and look forward to more

[mellow knoll]

I’d only give it a 3 or 4

[shy relic]

Ohhh nice im looking forward I can’t believe some of you have already played it no fair

[jaunty shuttle]

I just feel bad almost at this point, like I feel that Ben and the devs aren’t at fault but are getting killed by over management and (it seems like) a scaling down team. I do wonder what the game would look like now if the mess from U14 and announcement of U15 never happened :(

[mellow knoll]

It’d look a whole lot better lmao

[covert elbow]

I’d give it a 6.5 but I’ll listen to the community feedback about it

[mellow knoll]

Blame the studios for firing devs just so management can line their pockets

[worthy charm]

Dont the skies for the finnish carry the stream

I laughed so hard when they said that

[covert elbow]

Agreed. Absolutely no Ill will to the devs but they just need to do better and management needs to learn to give them space

[shy relic]

Won’t the new tank they add have the same issues of getting stuck on twigs and pebbles?

[tropic pecan]

I want a game envisioned by the original BM kickstarter! Pls

[lucid tusk]

I will say I did highly enjoy them not so subtly shutting down any hope of the pacific

[mellow knoll]

If they don’t fix the messy driving system yes

[thin lotus]

Big bad management is a myth

[shy relic]

So why would they focus on making a new tank why not focus on fixing what they already have?

[novel geyser]

they are

[mellow knoll]

They are. Hence the tank rework being on their todo list

[shy relic]

Will it bring more players by just having new maps and tanks?

[novel geyser]

they are redoing the armour system

[shy relic]

Oooo ok ok

[jaunty shuttle]

I’d like to also just say you can’t see the 2023 roadmap trailer anymore, like it’s straight up gone. Go to a roadmap reaction vid from back then and the links to the original vid go nowhere.

[shy relic]

That’s really good to hear

[empty steppe]

That’s historically accurate 😂

[covert elbow]

All I’ve been asking for

[thin lotus]

I skipped over the tank question, what are they changing about it?

[mellow knoll]

I know. As a tank vet I agree

[novel geyser]

new maps and tanks will bring more players in than reworks unfortunately

[covert elbow]

But at this point I don’t think it’s ever possible

[empty steppe]

Let get Remagen no bridge map 🤣

[novel geyser]

no more tank classes

[covert elbow]

Them cutting the Thompson sights was the sign of the end times

[lucid tusk]

I'm still not over that

[novel geyser]

each tank will be more unique and not follow the light medium and heavy classifications

[covert elbow]

It’ll still be asked for at every QA though

[shy relic]

It just seems to me that they are more happy about announcing a new tank then to announce fixes with the current tanks

[lucid tusk]

Just make the aperture bigger, it's not hard

[covert elbow]

Oh they deleted it within 24 hours lmao

[tropic pecan]

That's probably true. But not getting the current issues fixed will eventually make all the veterans leave..

[mellow knoll]

Sure hope that means the damage system is being overhauled because it’s shite rn

My stream coincidentally broke at that section so I missed a bunch

[covert elbow]

Or better yet, let us choose between the sights so we can have a close range and long range option

[worthy charm]

Im looking forward to the qa Nr2 with another 300+ messages about pacific

[covert elbow]

It’s not that hard

[jaunty shuttle]

Wait I watched it like a couple months ago? Im meaning the one where they announce the Finnish and poles

[lucid tusk]

Adjustable sights never ever

[covert elbow]

Wait what?

[shy relic]

It’s very basic

[covert elbow]

Oh my god you’re right it’s gone

[mellow knoll]

Too basic

[covert elbow]

Why did the delete it???

[jaunty shuttle]

Idk?!

[mellow knoll]

Two hits dead. So boring.

[covert elbow]

It’s placeholder. That’s why it’s basic

[shy relic]

Basically a matter of who gets the first shot

[covert elbow]

Everything in this game is placeholder!

[mellow knoll]

A truer fact has never been spoke.

[covert elbow]

That’s the funny part it is a fact!

[jaunty shuttle]

I honestly don’t know but it can basically only be a marker that they want us to forget about it….which is honestly kinda sad

[covert elbow]

BM admitted it!

[covert elbow]

Yea…

[shy relic]

This gonna sound stupid but what’s a placeholder

[lucid tusk]

Something temporary until thr final product is introduced

[mellow knoll]

Something that is supposed to exist only for a small amount of time before being replaced by something that works correctly

[shy relic]

Like a beta

[mellow knoll]

Yeah

[shy relic]

Gotcha thanks

That explains a lot 😂

[empty steppe]

I’m just so hoping we get a city map…

[novel geyser]

imagine you're making a game and want to add a car, before you create the car model you use a model of a cheeseburger while getting the actual function of the car working. That cheeseburger is a placeholder until you get an appropriate model

[tropic pecan]

And it makes me so sad that they don't even know themselves that MGs can not be deployed in each window...

[empty steppe]

I will crash out if we don’t get one

[covert elbow]

Yeah. Basically the previous HLL devs put placeholder items in the game, said they’d polish them up later on, then released the game way before it was ready

[shy relic]

Like they wanna see if the mechanics work before adding the final product?

[novel geyser]

yes

[covert elbow]

We don’t know why. Might have been because the BM devs wanted to cash in on the hype or it could have been T17 pushing for a way to early release to cash in on the hype. We’ll never know until someone clarifies

[novel geyser]

its basically something you use as a stand in before finalising it.

[scenic wigeon]

yes or no

[mellow knoll]

Technically the eastern front already has a city urban map. It’s just that the city is decimated lol

[grizzled kiln]

Or one shot. Even more boring

[scenic wigeon]

answer pls

[tropic pecan]

Isn't that what game development is about. Get the core, the foundations right and then you can add onto that with more content...

[shy relic]

After driving across the whole map

[mellow knoll]

I guess. One shot kills were a thing though thanks to ammo shots so

[novel geyser]

what is the question

[grizzled kiln]

yup 😄

[thin lotus]

The long range 1-2 shot garbage clashes against every design aspect of the game

[shy relic]

So if hell let loose if full of placeholders does that mean the core gameplay isn’t correct yet?

[covert elbow]

It’s so weird to me how the veteran community of this game has discussed all the points on the roadmap to death and a fairly wide consensus has been reached for them. But the devs seem to think there still needs to be a ton of discussion around them

[shy relic]

Or have I gotten that completely wrong

[covert elbow]

Hasn’t been since 2020

[tropic pecan]

It isn't really correct. There are still a lot of issues with the core gameplay mechanics and such

[covert elbow]

HLL is an unfinished, unpolished, and confused mess of a game

[mellow knoll]

Man all this makes me want to go back to S44 again

[covert elbow]

Just do it lmao

At least they have a consistent game philosophy

[tropic pecan]

Agreed. But the whole sandbox feeling of the environment in s44 just holds be back

[mellow knoll]

Hmm

[shy relic]

That’s why I keep coming back to the same question why so hell bent on making new maps if it’s so unfinished what they have already it’s like painting a house that’s the foundation is soon gonna collapse

[covert elbow]

MilSim and Arcade cannot work together on a fundamentally level. People need to stop saying is a mix like it’s a catch all

[grizzled kiln]

And very low player count

[covert elbow]

Money

[mellow knoll]

Because without new content people will disappear

[covert elbow]

That’s litteraly it

[mellow knoll]

And people will get bored

[covert elbow]

No point in fixing the houses foundation and mold problem if the fresh new coat of paint keep people buying the house

[mellow knoll]

And move on

[shy relic]

But surely fixing the game will keep the players in what’s the point of getting new player if they all leave once they realise how broken it is

[shy relic]

If you say so I’m just confused how that makes them more money

[shy relic]

Hahaha why are ppl buying it tho😭

[covert elbow]

Because more content = more people playing the game and more people playing the game means more copy’s and DLC’s sold which means more money for shareholders and the company

[tropic pecan]

I would totally go and support a new version of the game where they learned from all the mistakes and make a fundamentally good game

[covert elbow]

But we won’t get that since T17 owns it…

[tropic pecan]

Sadly

[covert elbow]

Because of the advertising done by content creators

That’s what’s kept HLL afloat

It’s shocking how many times I see more casual big YouTubers play the game and just fundamentally misinform what HLL is

[shy relic]

That’s another thing I saw fresh baked goods in the chat and he never asked once about updates on the tanking mechanics is he happy with the way it is?

[covert elbow]

Then people play it because it looks fun, get turned off by the bad gameplay system and people not using their microphones and leave

[pine ember]

Exactly

[covert elbow]

Idk I’m not fresh

I think his armor question in the QA was about keeping somewhat of a tier system in game but I disagree heavily

[wooden cloud]

they answered my question on it! Kinda...

[covert elbow]

The armor suggestion they gave satisfied me. Just make the tanks unique

Oh hey fresh

[grizzled kiln]

But also make them not get stuck on everything

[shy relic]

Kinda? I appreciate you answering I love your videos

[covert elbow]

And satchels not one shotting everything + decreasing the amount of rockets on the field

[grizzled kiln]

I kinda assumed they would fix the tank driving mechanics, could be wrong..Hope not

[wooden cloud]

Thanks. Yup, all they said for sure was trying to move away from the current system and making each tank feel unique. What that means? We do not know yet.

[covert elbow]

They probably have to refresh all the maps first

[grizzled kiln]

yeah

Elsenborn is better regarding trees. But still sucks to drive a medium on it.

Medium 75 and Panzer IV are flat out broken and has been for years

[past veldt]

They're just pointless

[covert elbow]

Anything below a heavy is pointless lmao

[past veldt]

Recon/Lights aren't too bad

Mediums are just the worst of all worlds

[tropic pecan]

I'm sorry but like this Q&A threw up more questions then we had before and we are now at the same stage with all the vague plans of the road map in my opinion

[worthy charm]

I hate driving them, they feel so bad compared to the pather or even the Jumbo 76

[covert elbow]

They need the tank overhaul before the new tanks as well (which I think we can all agree are tank destroyers)

[grizzled kiln]

Tiger still has the best handling ❤️

Just copy that to the others, job done.

ez

[covert elbow]

Also increase the speeds like Christ you move so slow

[tropic pecan]

And then I get mad about people asking about "solo recon squads, when" in the twitch chat...

[thin lotus]

Whatever they end up doing will still require that tanks generally be balanced against eachother. It’d inherently still have to follow a “tier” system in some way esp considering their resource costs

[worthy charm]

What else should it be? Its TDs or Spgs and one is far cooler obviously.

[grizzled kiln]

TDs

[past veldt]

I'm not a fan of this idea.

Killing a heavy tank impacts the field because now you have more freedom for your own tanks. If they're now speedy, the advantage you have gained by killing enemy tanks is now less

[grizzled kiln]

but that would require the rework first

[fast canopy]

go play CoD

[covert elbow]

I don’t follow

[past veldt]

The guy is talking about tanks, which historically were far quicker than in game

[past vortex]

unless they fix the scorebard etc the game will still be crap, no matter what

[covert elbow]

Like the ability to to get back to the front quickly?

[grizzled kiln]

Does not have to be by much tbh. Panther speed is fine for a heavy

[past veldt]

Exactly that

[thin lotus]

Whatever “unique” way they’re going to approach reworking tanks, will still have the possibility of upsetting its players if things ultimately don’t make sense in terms of “my tank shouldn’t have died to yours”

[grizzled kiln]

Just faster turret rotation where applicable. Tiger had a slow rotation

[covert elbow]

Well then just limit the amount of tank spawns per match

[worthy charm]

Panther speed is the best of all heavys

[fast canopy]

Build Garries?

[past veldt]

It's already limited by resources

[covert elbow]

Or have much longer cool down for tanks

[past veldt]

Are you okay?

[covert elbow]

Tanks don’t spawn on garrisons

[past veldt]

Average HLL player

[covert elbow]

Don’t do that you know resources don’t mean crap

[grizzled kiln]

we need tank respawn on garries now ❤️

[past vortex]

not yet

[worthy charm]

Thats gonna be a question for the next qa

[covert elbow]

Plus you can spawn 2 heavy’s at agile fairly easily

[molten sail]

i think we need the pacific

[thin lotus]

Average “it’s supposed to suck” enthusiast too probably

[covert elbow]

Truuuuuuuue

[past veldt]

It is still already limited.

I'd enjoy trying a game where heavy tanks cost 1000 fuel

[worthy charm]

Dont do it, please🥲

[grizzled kiln]

I wouldn't mind. More room for medium. Heavies are boring af

[covert elbow]

I’d much rather they just get rid of resources and make heavy’s take 15-20 minutes for another to be able to spawn

[grizzled kiln]

Also buff the recon again please

[past veldt]

Developers, if you're reading, give us the ability to change some stuff like ability costs in locked servers so we can experiment with balance

[covert elbow]

It’s stupid how we have timers and resource’s

[covert elbow]

Are the devs in the threads with us right now?

[grizzled kiln]

Or like in S44 ,you have a set amount of tanks from the start

[molten sail]

nah, we need to add bipods to the bar and fg42

[grizzled kiln]

And if you run out. sucks to be you

[covert elbow]

*in 2027

[thin lotus]

Remember the outrage on the camera ability?
I dont think I’ve ever once seen that used since its introduction to the game

[past veldt]

Select fire as well please. I don't have the ability to click my mouse, only hold the button

[covert elbow]

I didn’t know that existed until 3 days ago lmao

Man what was that medic “rework”

[past veldt]

Recon tank camera has so much 'ammo' it is impossible to use all of it in a game

[grizzled kiln]

thats the only good thing about the recon now after the nerf tbh

[covert elbow]

They didn’t even have a solid idea on what it was

And the ideas were like… what?

A medic box that respawns instead of redeploys?

[past veldt]

It's just nonsensical game design entirely

[thin lotus]

I’ve only ever seen recon tanks either getting immediately destroyed or zipping around blasting everything. That’s probably as fun as tanking can get

[grizzled kiln]

You need to go full speed all the time or you get one-tapped by AT or tanks

[arctic rampart]

recon tank op

[past veldt]

Lestat about to tell us about old recon tanks like the old man he is

[covert elbow]

“Recon tanks are the best in the game!” When the 37 rocket launchers introduce themselves

[worthy charm]

#BuffReconTankCannon

[grizzled kiln]

Nerfing them was silly and u know it !! 😄

[covert elbow]

Man I should play helldivers again

[worthy charm]

Also #AltBerg4WarCorrespondent

[covert elbow]

He already is

[grizzled kiln]

yup lol

[past veldt]

GoatBerg

[empty steppe]

Recon tanks are good if your crew knows what there doing

[worthy charm]

I know, it just was a joke in his stream like an hour ago, because they only metioned Raz and FreshBakedGoods

[wind shore]

PHEW I woke up again today and I'm not Drake. That was close dudes

[covert elbow]

No they mentioned Alt for something

[grizzled kiln]

only if AT and other tanks are entirely clueless. Guess it's viable in pub games

[worthy charm]

I want to play that again as well.

[covert elbow]

You mean the driver?

[covert elbow]

It’s so freaking good dude

[worthy charm]

After the hashtag yes, before that they didnt

[covert elbow]

Genuinely one of the greatest dev teams and games of all time

[empty steppe]

And gunner lol

If you don’t hit your shots your dead 😅😂

[eager crypt]

Watched the Q&A - can’t help but feel a little dissatisfied with how evasive and unclear most of the answers were.

A lot of “we’re testing this” “we’re brainstorming that” but not much concrete planning going on it seems.

Kudos to Ben for orchestrating the thing well though and curious to see the one about Tobruk, which should hopefully be more tangible.

[stray gull]

What are the better servers RN?