mess-hall

[finite berry]

Oh, and kills don't matter as much anyway

[slate canopy]

I've played with a few gentleman who were in their 50's. I'm sure he'd do fine. 🙂

[arctic rampart]

Yes, boomers get accepted. Especially if they speak and crack jokes.
Most of my current HLL buddies that I play nearly everyday with are like that. Love 'em to death ❤️

[granite current]

Okay, that's kinda what I thought too, but just from my playing I'm currently a bit lost on things so I'd worry about HIM learning. And then dying from unknown sources is sometimes more frustrating than a try hard COD boy dive shooting your face lol

[slate canopy]

The one I remember, who was my Sniper and I was Spotter, walked off at one point and came back with a slice of pie. I was jealous.

[finite berry]

It's a painful learning experience, but worth it. Plus, HLL is a great stepping stone towards the mil-sim gaming genre if he's into that

[arctic rampart]

WTB Arma 4

Might actually try the series seriously when it comes out

[granite current]

I actually found myself getting more bored than frustrated, but I just worry for my old man getting the game then quitting too soon. Definitely need to find some way to get a good group or something. Thanks for the confidence boost though!

[granite current]

Dads do tend to do that.

[finite berry]

Is he a PC player?

[granite current]

No no, console forever and ever. Got burned by that 2000s Era of PC gaming where you couldn't just run games without figuring out how. He's thinking of getting a PS5 just for this

[arctic rampart]

Even better then. Console players are similar to bots, so it'll be easier

More immersive and talking - less serious playing.

[granite current]

Shots fired

[arctic rampart]

I'll die on that Hill (400).

[granite current]

I am pretty happy with the result of turning off crossplay today and still getting full lobbies. We do not need PC players shoving the game even further up our bums

[finite berry]

Crossplay doesn't exist, tho?

[arctic rampart]

There is no console <-> PC crossplay.

[granite current]

Oh, maybe I should turn that back on then. Must be with Xbox

[arctic rampart]

It's only:
Console: Xbox/playstayion

And then PC: Steam/Epic/Game pass

[arctic rampart]

Ye, you'll have a bigger pool of players then

[granite current]

Thanks for clarifying guys!

[arctic rampart]

From this short interaction, you'll fit right in nicely within this community.

[thorny acorn]

lol

[arctic rampart]

For once, it wasn't sarcasm from me

[granite current]

Well I appreciate it. 😎

[arctic rampart]

If you got any more questions about the game or whatever, just throw 'em in here or #new-recruit-barracks. We'll answer it usually pretty quickly.

[granite current]

I'm gonna take a break for the day, but are there any must watch YouTube videos that can help orient me better? I'd also probably send it to my dad to see if that helps him know what he's getting into.

[thorny acorn]

well soulsnipers series of guides is pretty good imo

[slate canopy]

You can find lots of videos in #1273828697941606450 ranging of different roles, general videos, and even some myths busted.

[lucid tusk]

Anything by SoulSniper, he has some great guides

[arctic rampart]

Monospecials general guide to the game's pretty useful: https://youtu.be/iWHBNP3zTEU

Besides that we also have #1273828697941606450 with more videos, charts and what else you might be interested.

Then there's also the E-Tool discord, which is just a discord filled to the brim of HLL guides, tips, tricks and like 99.99% of stuff you would like to know at some point throughout your playtime in the game: #1316881335306027078 message

[thick carbon]

How do I find a clan?

[arctic rampart]

Or my personal favourite learning method:
go in-game and just ask people

[arctic rampart]

#console-divisions-recruitment #1343089641489961001

[finite berry]

#console-divisions-recruitment

[thick carbon]

Why thank you

[finite berry]

Oh, too slow :I

[arctic rampart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NuX79Ud8zI

[lucid tusk]

Everyone's trying to gain good boy points to get a moderator role

[arctic rampart]

I didn't apply. Based off the new neon names, it's already over.

I am quite literally the blade runner when it comes to the rules

[thorny acorn]

i should get head mod rn

[slate canopy]

#1343089641489961001 is the correct one now, btw.

[finite berry]

Yup, thanks

[granite current]

Thanks again Solid and crew! I'll definitely get into some of this and send it his way. Have a good day!

[slate canopy]

Haha the neon is just for trial mods. 😉 The regular mods are still the more merigold yellow.

[thorny acorn]

can we get beer yellow for us

[arctic rampart]

Noticed.
I mean you guys usually do give the more ~normal~ recommendations.

[lucid tusk]

Yeah they haven't finishes picking the new ones, apparently they're adding more

[arctic rampart]

But this is still DPKR in this chat channel

[lucid tusk]

I threw my name into the hat, we'll see what happens

[arctic rampart]

New mods here ✅
Gif/image perms ❎

[granite current]

I was worried people would be pissed off by this. Still burned by SOCOM online some 12 years ago where I got voted off every server because I was new lol

[worthy charm]

My beloved gifs...

[slate canopy]

I think it's more to just not spam gifs in here 🤭

[cyan saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/katze-cat-hasenohren-bunny-ears-gif-24097339

[arctic rampart]

Just don't take Squad Lead or commander position. Simple as that. Cause then you literally take responsibilties on your shoulders. And if you don't perform them, people get pissed.

[cyan saddle]

ill be honest

I was expecting that to work

[arctic rampart]

I figured. An attempt to flex that quickly backfired

[slate canopy]

Not yet for us 😭

[granite current]

I was smart enough to not do that at least lol

[arctic rampart]

Now you're just monke

[cyan saddle]

It worked in #trial-mod-chat!

[slate canopy]

I knooow.

[thorny acorn]

different chat permissions

[worthy charm]

Thats the channel for unpaid interns xD

[arctic rampart]

@silent loom Don't advertise your clan in dm's, go to the appropriate channels

[granite current]

Please just use @ everyone when your first gif works

Because I'm sure we'd all like to see it. No pressure.

[arctic rampart]

This is an official server. T17 peeps walking around here like in a minefield

[thorny acorn]

can you even @ everyone

[cyan saddle]

Nope

[slate canopy]

Nah, doesn't work.

[worthy charm]

I dont believe even the mods can do that

[thorny acorn]

sad

@ here?

[granite current]

Too bad

[arctic rampart]

Mods probs can't, cause they're not official. They're just community members

[cyan saddle]

I saw a video of a discord bot on reddit the other day

[arctic rampart]

So if they do an everyone tag with a russian scam link. T17's gonna get the blowback

[cyan saddle]

Which gave everyone that tried to mention everyone the "@ everyone" role

[worthy charm]

I dont got any bitcoin anyway

[cyan saddle]

So that every time some random person would try to mention everyone, they would only mention themselves and those that tried to mention everyone in the past

[arctic rampart]

You mean like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ ?

[cyan saddle]

Is this a rick roll

@worthy charm click it for me please

[worthy charm]

Yes sir

[arctic rampart]

He's been here long enough

[slate canopy]

I did, you don't believe me? 😦

[worthy charm]

It is a rick roll 😂

[granite current]

I love how you actually did it lol

[thorny acorn]

yea ofc, you don't recognize the link?

[arctic rampart]

I mean, what else can I do better in a cencored channel if it doesn't embed properly

[arctic rampart]

Console players, what do you expect

[granite current]

Been burned so many times you memorized thr unique id

[arctic rampart]

That's the average 1980's-2003 born PC user

[thorny acorn]

my father is a war criminal song jumps scare

[arctic rampart]

I just wanna tell you how I’m feeling

Gotta make you understand

[thorny acorn]

never gonna give you up

[lucid tusk]

I remember making a rick roll once as a wee lil boy, gears of war 2 leaked first gameplay. 10, 000 views. Thousands of comments that expanded my vocabulary

What a time

[cyan saddle]

I peaked when I rick rolled WombatMedic

[slate canopy]

I rickroll'd myself at work on Friday listening to my old ipod touch. 🤷‍♀️

[mint plover]

Lol cant say iv heard someone get themselves before.

[molten cliff]

a

[slate canopy]

My ipod touch is like 2014 songs and earlier for the most part sooooo 🤭

[gentle lintel]

iPod touch… how old are you???? I’m kidding.

[slate canopy]

33 😭

[gentle lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/betty-white-cheers-salute-shots-drinking-gif-2213666948687721228

[slate canopy]

I had the ipod video up till 2013 🤫

[thorny acorn]

well ipod sounds really cool

i want one

[arctic rampart]

Gif perm abuse

[slate canopy]

It's iphone... without calling and data.

[thorny acorn]

but to jailbreak it so i dont have to pay for music

[thorny acorn]

idk im an android user

[lucid tusk]

Member when the touch came out and someone said "just wait, Zune is gonna knock it out of the park"

[thorny acorn]

idk but old tech is cool asf

[gentle lintel]

You see this crown <——— means I can do anything

[arctic rampart]

Do an @everyone tag.

[gentle lintel]

It doesn’t even do anythinggg

[nova pivot]

Never gonna let you down

[stiff otter]

Hello folks, is there a chat to discuss bugs about achievements? I'm asking as i'm after getting 4 strange achievements despite not opening the game there

[thorny acorn]

its placeholder for the new updates, its nothing game breaking

[stiff otter]

ahh right, yeah i was a bit confused when i unlocked them and they all were just variations of "??"

[thorny acorn]

yea there are lots of people confused about it

[kind void]

just got 4 ???? achivements

ah i see people already said this

[worthy charm]

yeah

[tall kettle]

The following achievements are placeholders for future additions. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362906315812503553/1342681309289382008/image.png?ex=67ba84e9&is=67b93369&hm=83c25031466563ffdef098487ab3b722f169ff1d6fc428acb5a70312e501ce4b&

[kind void]

weird that people got it an hour earlier, i got it as soon as i clicked on hll in steam

[worthy charm]

Youre the first person i see who scrolled up...🥲

[nova pivot]

Guys, seriously, if we don't have the road map by Thursday, I'll raid the T17 offices and get it myself. Who's in?

[gentle lintel]

Going streaking through the quads and into the gymnasium

[worthy charm]

But we already got the roadmap😄

[feral fable]

hi

[old bolt]

[elder imp]

oh I just got that lol and I was like wtf?? I didn't even play the game, I though my account got comprommised or something

[slate canopy]

Yeah, it happened to everyone. 🙂 No worries.

[livid ginkgo]

hello

[dusk depot]

hai

[hidden dagger]

hey! Recently got the game and was hoping to meet some people who'd be willing to help me learn the game, it seems super fun!

[slate canopy]

You can find folks to possibly join up with in #pc-looking-for-unit . I wish you luck and have fun!

[torn ocean]

is there freelook yet

i havent played in a while and i heard it was coming to hell let loose ages ago but i cant find the keybind

nevermind i found it

[analog apex]

yes there is - it is a bit too much restrictive with angles and with some uniforms we se holes in our arms when we look sideways, but at least it's there

[torn ocean]

does the job for me, i can see left and right whilst running straight thats all i need

[analog apex]

it could use much larger freedom of camera angles, especially to the top and sides

[torn ocean]

i mean i remember when everyone said that freelook would be impossible a few years ago so at least we have it

[analog apex]

especially with the top side - there's no reason to not give it more freedom of more angle degrees as that side wouldn't cause seeing any more holes and stuff

[novel musk]

Hey what's up

[dark burrow]

Just discovered HLL and I am hooked. Im a terrible rifleman but like I can help in other ways. Looking for a place to discuss fortifications

[light elm]

are servers down rn?

[cosmic pilot]

Can't you just say yes so the man will be happy

[analog apex]

no

if it worked like in SQ44, then I would say yes as that one is problem-less

SQ44 free-look has enough of camera angles freedom, while no visual bugs

when there are problems/limitations, I have to mention them ofc

just being objective

[light elm]

guys are servers down

[novel musk]

Dang sounds like it

[analog apex]

no

all up as usual

[light elm]

i cant see any servers

[analog apex]

that's the name of the song we have been listening to quite a lot lately

usually from EPIC and console peeps I reckon

[vivid fulcrum]

If you leave a game half way . I know you lose bonus xp for your level rank. But does that also affect a bonus for your class progression . Or it’s not affiliated ?

[ashen basin]

Only Level XP is effected - That im 99.9999% Sure

Being level X all over ive kinda forgot XD

[past vortex]

wait you are medic X?

[worthy charm]

You get the XP for the class but not for your personal rank.

[signal nimbus]

Hi newer player here, I’ve downloaded and tried to play HLL on my Xbox series S multiple times now but it keeps kicking me from the game and I have not found a fix. I’ve uninstalled and reinstalled, cleared cache etc. nothing works

I just redownloaded it today, I was hoping maybe there was a bug fix or something so I could actually play the game

[covert elbow]

I swear Russians come out of the wood works for Soviet map suggestions haha

[novel geyser]

I have a theory we will get two new soviet maps after the map after tobruk

[signal nimbus]

Or yknow, If there wasn’t a bug fix If anyone else knows of a work around

[novel geyser]

So then we got two new us maps morain and elsenborn, two British maps tobruk and the yet to be announced one that we already know about, and then two soviet ones

[covert elbow]

That makes sense to me

2 Brit’s, 2 Soviets, 2 Brit’s

[novel geyser]

Idk what's going on with your game Easy
Might be able to contact t17 support for help

[arctic rampart]

I thought the same thing xD

[signal nimbus]

Nevermind it’s working now, I just have no idea what I’m doing in this game lmao

I’m so lost, I’ve died 5 times already

[novel geyser]

Death will come quick and out of nowhere
Best thing to do is talk with your squad and get any help and advice from them

[signal nimbus]

Ah ok I need a working mic, which I don’t have right now…

Idk maybe this game isn’t my jam

I’m not picking anything up I just keep dying. I’m so bad

[signal nimbus]

Yeah no, I’m doing nothing but dying over and over. I tried at least, not for me

[novel geyser]

Fair enough

[signal nimbus]

Too frustrating and with me being so used to huds, I can’t really just jump into this

[novel geyser]

That's fine the game certainly can be frustrating

It's not a typical run and gun
Though on the more casual side of hard-core shooters you still need to go slow and do you best to stay out of sight pretty much all the time.

[signal nimbus]

yeah I can’t really do that

If I really wanted to it’d probably take me a year to actually be decent at it but that’s too much time I don’t have to learn a whole new game

I did want to get into it but after just trying it out, I’ve realized this is leagues above what I’m capable of

[night lark]

Like a milsim? 🤣

[novel geyser]

No like a hardcore shooter

[summer grove]

I've played about 130 hours so far and the initial hours were awful I quit the game and didn't come back for months the best advice I can give is go slow don't run like it's call of duty, change your camo based on map to blend in, build nodes at the start of the game with engi so whatever class you're playing will level up easier, and most of all don't stress about getting killed I'd be surprised if my k/d is as high as 0.5

Unlocking the second class really changes how they can be played and I've found it prefer the 2nd loadout on most of them

[arctic rampart]

Yup, that is correct. Most classes best loadouts are the 2nd ones. Exceptions being the AT's obviously since the rockets are just peak usefullness

[summer grove]

But AT cannon my beloved

Just realized they left the server before I replied woops

[silk igloo]

HLL is a milsim in that senseless running or staying put gets you wrecked, while taking important ground to deny the enemy or wreck them with an MG or an AT-gun (or just to spot their tanks) is not only more useful, but absolutely necessary if you want to win. unless the enemy team is dumber than you. or if the map is so dense or foggy that none of the previous apply and it becomes a game of whack a mole.

[covert elbow]

So any competitive shooter haha then haha

[novel geyser]

yeah I dont think stratagy and tactics makes a game a milsim. Theres a lot more than comes into it

[covert elbow]

It’s how the game encourages or forces the players to use those mechanics that matter

And HLL doesn’t do that because of airheads and ninja garrisons

[novel geyser]

mechanically HLL is very shallow

[covert elbow]

Yea

Wide as an ocean shallow as a puddle

[wind shore]

daily reminder to give the medic a m1/g43 as level 10 loadout

[covert elbow]

I’m gonna squeeze you

[wind shore]

🙂

[novel geyser]

make medic's head 0.5% bigger

but unironically unshrink some of the german head's eyes

I will never forgive them for doing that

[past vortex]

medics should get a flashing light on their helmet

[silk igloo]

which is why maps like kursk, foy and el alamein are the best, because those ninja garris and airheads easily wrecks the team that tries to use them, because there's 0 thought in their head beside "spawn go brrr"

[covert elbow]

My beloveds

[novel geyser]

I do like kursk
el alamein is quite fun now its not as open as it was

[covert elbow]

El Al is one of my favorites

[silk igloo]

i will never forget that one time we were holding Oasis on El Alamein and both hills north and south, the commander sent an airhead behind the runway, on the wrong side, everyone spawning on it was stuck because they had to cross the killzone, and spawning there meant that the enemy could advance on the hills they left.

[thorny acorn]

i will never forget 2023 roadmap

[silk igloo]

then we eventually lost oasis because it's in a g------n barrel and we're the fish

[covert elbow]

Yea. El Al is fun but some of those points are just badly made ahah

If the map just had rolling hills of huge rocky hills it could have been way better

[novel geyser]

still think it could do with tanks kicking up tons of dust as a natrual smoke screen of sorts

and a haze effect in the distance to break the long sightlines atleast a little bit

[silk igloo]

i think it's fine, none of the points are too defensible on their own. if you only have to worry about shooters in front of you, you will eventually get across a field to build a spawn. but there's nothing you can do to an MG watching that field from another angle. another squad has to take the other hill that guy is using, and in turn shoot the enemy from there

[covert elbow]

Holy crap tactics? In HLL? Impossible

[wind shore]

I remember El Alamein first time when I’ve joined it, so I love previous version of El Alamein, which was , and after they added the correction uniform to factions, it feels nice

I remember how I used white Camo , cause we had no DAK or North African uniforms

[night lark]

Winter camo in the desert was fun.

[wind shore]

In enlisted they still haven’t removed Zeltbahn from Tobruk and African maps

We had no choice

Oh I still remember first days when I joined

[night lark]

Mate same. There wasnt transport trucks in my first 3 or 4 games

[wind shore]

I remember my first OP when I joined

And remember it was offensive

And I was in defensive, so I was using my binoculars to share the enemy destination

[untold geyser]

Hello warriors

[wind shore]

No, I came out not from woods xD, I’m opening the lots of sources everyday about those maps in suggestion , so doing it

Also the photos , it needs double check after i found it etc

I meant double check and correcting it

[wind shore]

I’m 9 LVL on medic

All classes I got with out Bob the builder etc and before server browsers , to lvls 8-10

Also tank crewman lvl 7+ and tank commander 8+ LVL

[arctic rampart]

けどさん?

[covert elbow]

Who?

[arctic rampart]

Dude's name is literally Mr. Kedo

[wind shore]

What’s “San”?

In Japan

[arctic rampart]

"Mister" in japanese.

[wind shore]

Explain me please

[arctic rampart]

As in Mister Kedo

ケドさんは９レベルの医者。

[wind shore]

They are clan members mostly and came from clans discord servers

[arctic rampart]

Old bwr ruskies

[wind shore]

So , anyways

Also them - BWR some I’ve seen the guys from this clan In suggestions

And not only Russians in our clans, it’s international clans with all Russian speakers

Console&PC together

Again , it’s incorrect say it’s only Russians in clans, cause it’s mixed from ex - soviet republics states , guys play from Europe also, Germany, but all of them are Russian - speaking, so why it never calls Russian clan, it calls Russian - Speaking clans

[arctic rampart]

I think anyone who barely speaks English, but easily knows Russian is categorized as Russian on the internet

Same goes for many Latvian players 😄
But then they hear me speak and they think I'm American, even though I've never been there

[wind shore]

They also play in clan

Latvians

[arctic rampart]

I don't think there are even any clans that are ONLY one nationality

Cause, who tf cares to check for that

As long as you can communicate, no one cares

That's why I have 3 chinese friends on Steam 😄 Absolute legends

[wind shore]

As I know it’s from all ex soviet republics, except Asian ex republics like others, play

[covert elbow]

English = American

[past vortex]

wait til you find out about polish or french clans :}

[covert elbow]

Every other nation is just an American-to-be

[wind shore]

Russian , Belarusian, Ukranians, Baltics , Russian-speakers of Europe are in clans

[arctic rampart]

Chances are they do have less outside players, but still no shot 100% of them are all of one nationality

[wind shore]

Like from Germany, and other parts of Europe in clan

And as I know somebody from China and Scotland in clan

They are English speakers but play

So it’s Russian speaking clans

Same as German clans also exist Austrians

[summer grove]

Is it like champagne where they have to be from this particular sub region to be clan members otherwise they're sparkling acquaintances

[wind shore]

So anyways it’s more practice 😃 when we could make so big clans and no language barriers

[covert elbow]

The what?

Oh wait nvm I get it

[summer grove]

[arctic rampart]

I remember I was playing in a game together with a few Latvians and one BWR member.
So I had to relay info in English, Latvian and my barebones knowledge of Russian. That wasn't fun

We should just go back to being together in Pangaea

[wind shore]

So , idk, but on console Russian speaking community can also speak English at all

Guys from Kazakhstan also play

So we have no language barriers

[arctic rampart]

I mean, that's everywhere. It just depends on the players and servers.

Just like back in the 2010's on YouTube, if the titles in English, the video should be too. Usually it wasn't... Everyone got pissed cause of it.

Same goes for here. If I see the name of the server in English and the language is not specified, I assume everyone there speaks in English. If it's in Chinese, then it's Chinese, if the titles says FR, then french.
Whoever ignores this logical idea has to be a moron in one way or another.

[wind shore]

So we speak two main languages - English and Russians, both of them are international languages, so it’s more way easier for us

Also some Russian speaking guys speak German , French who lives in Germany and France

So they know 3 languages

So , it’s no problem to us to play with players all over the world

As I know russian-speaking clans are PKKA, EG, BWR and Cult clans on PC, and some small clans , and 1 clan on console - 9MAY, so all of them are Russian speaking clans

[arctic rampart]

The real BWR only speak Ukranian now, their weird drama off-branch is only Russian now who got thrown out or whatever after... you know what happened.
But meh' who cares

[wind shore]

I can’t remember it was 1 clan more but it was split in 2 different small clans as I know, so maybe some any exist, but I don’t know the reason why and when it happened

[arctic rampart]

Maybe they were the ones xD

[wind shore]

But the oldest one, it’s PKKA clan, for 5 years

I’ve heard about history of those clans

But anyways , there are enough clans now

And they play TPL league on console

[tulip perch]

Did the 'seeding' channel disappear?

[pine ember]

It was used there too

[worthy charm]

It did yes

[tulip perch]

Why 😦 was helpful

[worthy charm]

They are changing the Server structure, maybe its comes back but better

Time will tell, the recent changes seem to work tho.

Didnt had to show someone the LfG channel once

[neat urchin]

Morning fellas, would be nice to get a roadmap the last week in FEB 😂 😂 😭 😭

[tulip perch]

I'd love some hitreg fixes

[novel geyser]

id love some gunplay

[pine ember]

When new Normandy map?

[novel geyser]

after tobruk 🕵️

might not be what you expect 🕵️

||Juno beach||

[pine ember]

Its Normandy so its good

[novel geyser]

I woulda prefered gold or sword since its actually the british landings rather than the canadians, but we might get some MK3 helmets out of it sooooo

Caen would be nice too

[pine ember]

There is a village right at Juno Beach, so its a pretty unique setting, and Canada drip can be rocked too

But it will be hell for the Canadians to run up the beach whilst the Germans sit in houses

[novel geyser]

not sure how different canadian uniforms were other than MK3s were popular. I imagine the equipment was largely the same as the brits

[lyric minnow]

hello all 👋

[pine ember]

I think they had a greener shade

[novel geyser]

thats what I've heard so far

just gonna result in the HLL classic tho, British troops and airborne storming a beach that canadians should be at

[maiden nimbus]

👋

[pine ember]

I mean ingame its called commonwealth faction, but still, subfactions would be cool

[novel geyser]

I always forget to check what its called because the barracks just calls it "allies" which I assume is unintentional since the US were called the "allies" before the soviets were added

[thin lotus]

Juno beach would be incredibly lame

[proven dagger]

another beach map, how inspired

we havent seen enough france

[thin lotus]

are streamables still allowed

https://streamable.com/ri4pc4

[novel geyser]

as far as normandy map goes the only ones I want to see from now on should have the british commonwealth as the faction

my main issue with the current abundance of normandy maps is I find the US a little bit boring

[proven dagger]

I just want a different axis faction.

[pine ember]

Suomi?

[proven dagger]

I'd rather have italy tbh.

Adding Findland would be cool but long term italian content makes more sense.

To me anyways. They would have the opportunity for a few different maps with both US and UK.

[novel geyser]

I think italy would be the best to add for now

[slate elbow]

I think that too even if Finland and Poland were promised us a long ago.
Btw I think Italians would much better than Finland beacuse there would a larger variety of Maps: from simple urban maps, to snow Maps and desert Maps.
Also, even if they don't have many good weapons, It would be easier to balance them rather than doing that with Finland, Poland or even Japan (I think)

[novel geyser]

since we already have the british eighth army they just gotta put them against each other

[slate elbow]

And I'm not saying this just because I'm italian...

[proven dagger]

I think part of what sucks the fun out for me is that if you play germany you at least have 3 factions to fight that perform wildly different.

If your one of the allies you're just fighting germany 100% of the time if that makes sense.

[pine ember]

Short question: Where would Italians have snow maps? In terms of map variety, there is plenty for Finland too and in terms of balancing, against a 1939 Red Army it will be easier than Italy vs US

[proven dagger]

idk how much balancing plays a part in the game tbh.

[slate elbow]

There are different battles against the french on the Alps and a few others against the russians

[pine ember]

Ah right, the one where the French lost 6 men?

[pine ember]

Not the biggest part, but a big part for sure

[proven dagger]

every tank functions basically the same damage wise the only difference is how they drive.

their solution to factions being worse or not having semi automatics is just giving them more automatics.

am I wrong? Look at british vs germans.

[misty bobcat]

Hello yall! I just got the game for PS5 and I really hope to have a fun time with it and yall too, I have only been doing a bit of practice on practice grounds but if ya'll got any tips or things to look into before joining a public server please do tell me! :]

[proven dagger]

or even just german vs US. There should not nearly be as many STGs. MP40s and G43 but there are.

[pine ember]

StG and G43 were quite common in the last two years of the war, and the MP40 was often used by specialized squads

[slate elbow]

Yeah there weren't many victins (600 Italians mostly because of the cold and 20/30 french). Anyways different battles were fought in Russia

[prisma bramble]

Was Vimy ridge ww1

[slate elbow]

@pine ember btw I love WW2 history but I'm not a big nerd so sorry if I get something wrong

[pine ember]

It was

[proven dagger]

my point still stands regardless, game balance has never been at the top of their priorities.

italians wouldnt change much.

[novel geyser]

never run out into the open always have some form of cover near you. Stick with your squad and team, communicate as best you can and have fun

[vernal swan]

Or make a MOA system that affect weapon accuracy, WWII semi automatics are generally slightly less accurate than bolt guns. Also buff long range bullet damage should compensate that out. But I don't think they would do it

[pine ember]

Same, I forgot about this battle until you mentioned it, many people say they want Italy because they played Isonzo and assume WW2 would be set in the same area XDD

[slate elbow]

Well, what about the British when they where released?

[night lark]

Bullet drop does exist but yeah some left/right drift would be cool

[pine ember]

It has alongside historical accuracy, else they would not have reworked the British on El Alamein. Regarding Driel, its still kinda unbalanced

[proven dagger]

if we're worried about things like the italians not having heavies or them having tank platforms that offer similar damage of a heavy (think firefly) then there's a simple solution.

just dont add heavy tanks.

[misty bobcat]

Tysm for the tip! Sadly I cant really comunicate with mic bc my english is very crappy and isnt understandable, any tips on that?

[vernal swan]

I still want Finnish forces, Winter War and Continuation War, no other game did that, HLL should

[pine ember]

Oh yea

KP31 would rock

[novel geyser]

Theres non-verbal comms you can use, make use of them then

[vernal swan]

I'd pick M28/30, be like Simo

[night lark]

Wouldnt even be that hard to.do the Finns. Just reskin the russian character models and some of the weapons and thatd be it

[misty bobcat]

What button is for the non-verbal on PS5 console?

[vernal swan]

plus I love snow maps because I can see people

[novel geyser]

idk about console controls unfortunately, check the bindings in the settings or just mess about until you find them

[proven dagger]

British used (debatably still are) to be terrible. They were made better by some weapon changes and such like the drum mag thompson being able to compete with german arsenal.

[misty bobcat]

Will do! Tysm
Btw, do you know what role is the best to start with when beginning with the game?

[vernal swan]

damn the Fins can even use captured SVT-40s and AVS-36s, don't even need to worry about the semi auto rifle problem

[slate elbow]

I'd tell you support but if you don't use comms then you should maybe start with the medic

[vernal swan]

and captured DP and domestic LS MGs, perfectly balanced

[night lark]

British on release were awful. Imagine making the No.4 rifle, famed for a smooth and quick action, slower to.cycle than a literal anti tank rifle.

Absaloute joke. Its still slow btw, they just gave us the sexier SMLE MK III instead

[misty bobcat]

Alright!

[proven dagger]

Also I just want to point out they only made an update after massive public outcry. They released it in that state knowingly and thought it was ok.

And even then it was half assed.

Maybe I'm just remembering things differently.

[night lark]

Nah the British being awful on release is a core memory of playing HLL 😂 basically lore now

[proven dagger]

Historical accuracy.

Didn't even have african campaign cosmetics on launch.

Panther in Africa.

Historical accuracy.

[pine ember]

Yes, but they learned their lesson I would assume

[night lark]

It genuinly put me off that not a single british uniform was the correct uniform for the maps TF17 had made

Still bugs me the british uniforms look like call of duty

[proven dagger]

I still don't think the british have been buffed enough.

[night lark]

Like TF17 is a notionally british company. There are thousands of british reenactors they could have went to for advice and accurate uniforms

Ive seen more accurate airsofters 😂 bah its vexes me so

[novel geyser]

Rifleman is a good start, simple enough you get a rifle and an ammo box. Most roles are pretty accessable the game isnt too complicated

the ones you should avoid at first would be like, anti tank, officer and commander and engineer

[proven dagger]

Again, just wild to me people will make exceptions for the Japanese but Italy is too bad to add.

[misty bobcat]

Okidokie 👍 👍

[novel geyser]

real

[night lark]

Without some serious balancing the japanese would get smoked. Youd have to only have early Guadalcanal so both factions are using bolt actions to make it fair

Atleast Italy had an actually good sub machinegun

[proven dagger]

people dont care though. its japan, make an exception

[novel geyser]

The game has leaned too far into symmetry for the japanese to work, they'd need something interesting to keep them afloat

Rising storm 1 does them very well

[slate elbow]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't Japanese even worse than Italians? Didn't they have only light tanks and bolt-action rifles?

[slate elbow]

Yes, I think that at least British vs Italians would be pretty balanced

[pine ember]

There cant be more afaik, in terms of accuracy

[proven dagger]

Faster bolt cycling??

[slate elbow]

They could even not be that bad against russians

[pine ember]

They were, especially against the US

[novel geyser]

the british seem pretty good tbh, I just wish the lee enfield was faster. But then again I wish all bolt actions were fasting they feel TOO sluggish, even for bolt actions

[pine ember]

Ive read somewhere that the mad minute was not that often used in combat, and since the 303 is a rimmed cartridge the time to reload was much longer than for a 8 57 for example

[night lark]

Some bolt actions are easier to cycle than others IRL. Depends on the action. Mauser actions with straight bolts handles can be quite hard. Curved bolt handles are okay for example

[proven dagger]

im pretty sure the Panzer 2 L wasn't used in mass numbers either but here it is

why are we making certain exceptions

[night lark]

Aboit 110 Luchs were made 😂

[pine ember]

The Luchs?

[novel geyser]

yeah I dont think the mad minute was really used in WW2, the lee enfield just has a smoother quicker bolt to it I think

[pine ember]

Its such a weird choice, the Panzer III would have been better, and for pre 1943 maps the regular Panzer II

[proven dagger]

again, we're making historical exceptions for one thing and then saying another isnt realistic or feasible.

where do we draw the line

[night lark]

Youd have to make.exceptions on a case by case basis to keep the game playable i think. There is a happy medium

[pine ember]

I would draw the line there where it becomes not authentic anymore, e.g. seeing the British getting Garands as their standard rifle

[summer grove]

The game isn't authentic if it was nobody would play it

[proven dagger]

ok, but them being able to cycle the rifles slightly faster for the sake of game balance is too much and immersion breaking

[night lark]

Going to have a lot of issues with the germans then. Far to many STGs and G43s

[summer grove]

G43 should randomly explode sometimes when firing

[slate elbow]

I think the bolt-action cycle is already pretty fast, there is no need to make them faster.
Btw I think the Luchs should be changed with a normale Panzer II

[pine ember]

There is a difference between realistic and authentic

[proven dagger]

Play squad44 and get back to me

[pine ember]

No, I never said that

[slate elbow]

I'm from PS unfortunately 👀

[night lark]

For example STGs were issued by companies. So an entire company would get STGs. Not 2 or 3 in a squad

[novel geyser]

to me it feels like the mosin is the fastest and the kar98k is the slowest but they're probably all identical. I use manual bolting and it just often feels slow before you can bolt the gun

[pine ember]

Two with one as a high level being too much? Ok... They were both common in the last year of the war

[proven dagger]

then why even bring up the mad minute not being used? It makes it seem like your against it being changed

Am I wrong?

[pine ember]

I said it was not that often, not that it was not used...

[pine ember]

Yes

[night lark]

They werent super common. Availability of a G43 was 19 to about 140 soldiers and that was ONLY Panzer Grenadier regiments. And STGs only really went to assault companies

[proven dagger]

Then you should have phrased it in a way that was like "They could change it even though it wasn't used often."

[pine ember]

Which is more than most people think, and in terms of the StG, it was also used as a replacement for the MP40

[night lark]

403K G43s looks a lot but when you concider there were nearly 17 million K98s and 1.1 million MP40s

[pine ember]

Afterall, its still a game, and having them in a German faction should be no big deal

[sudden ivy]

hi

[night lark]

Nah dont get me wrong i think the in game german faction need them to match up with the US but irl fighting until 1945 was primarily done with the K98

[pine ember]

I know, there was a time where almost anyone had a Kar, but the US always won, it was nowhere near as balanced

The current amount is a good suit spot in my opinion

[night lark]

I agree with this too. Its not painful or outlandish to have 2 a squad and maybe 2 g43s a squad

[novel geyser]

squads arent actually "squads" in this game they are labeled as platoons which I still find funny

[pallid shuttle]

when is Tobruk out? Any1 knowes?

[novel geyser]

dont think we have a specific date for when it will be out

[grizzled kiln]

[proven dagger]

after the japanese update

[past vortex]

as soon as we get a roadmap for the roadmap we will know when we can expect a roadmap for the map release

[proven dagger]

they should make a roadmap for the roadmap

just so we know when to expect the roadmap

[arctic rampart]

True, true true, that's pretty true

[wild sphinx]

hello^^

just asking anyone has an idea why i got the ??, ???, ???? and ????? achievements without even playing or installed the game?

[shy dragon]

Huh?

[gentle lintel]

placeholders for future patch achievements, will be reset when it's released.

[wild sphinx]

Aaaaah alright thank you

[teal flicker]

love when the game gives me the terms of services and tips for the game as well as fully resets my settings to default including my mouse sensitivity with 150 hours in

[arctic rampart]

Akeno or Rias?

[proven dagger]

Le Fay Pendragon

[arctic rampart]

nah bro

That's like saying that you like koneko

[proven dagger]

i think rias is boring af so if i had to choose it would be akeno but I prefer multiple characters over either of them

[arctic rampart]

I agree on the rias opinion

But AKENO? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

IT's FLIPPING AKENO!!!!11

[proven dagger]

rossweisse

[arctic rampart]

Valid one

The lady with the big sword

was a good one as well

Or was that her? I don't recall

[proven dagger]

xenovia

[arctic rampart]

🌰 ed

[proven dagger]

i dont even like dxd i just like thats its a dumpster fire

[arctic rampart]

NAh screw off. The plots valid

People just hate because it's not cutesy wutesy japan where a girl says かわいいいいいいい every 2 seconds because she saw a cat

[proven dagger]

i can just think of a lot of other service shows id rather watch instead

[arctic rampart]

Shoot a full list over my man

[eager crypt]

So, U17 when?!

[worthy charm]

Never

[arctic rampart]

@proven daggerStill waiting on a list of better service shows

[cloud lance]

дарова

[night owl]

Server crash nice

[stray oar]

anybody else getting achievements that are just question marks? I've never seen this on another game before so idk what's up with it.

[cyan saddle]

#mess-hall message 🙂

[stray oar]

thanks

I searched for messages with "??" and nothing came up, so idk why that didn't show

[proud vine]

Greetings.

[fossil dove]

Hi 🙂

[covert elbow]

Hello

[thorn vapor]

How do I look for a squad to join?

[finite berry]

#pc-looking-for-unit

[thorn vapor]

Oh didn't see it my bad! Thanks!

[novel geyser]

this game has to have a memory leak problem or something man
Ill play for a few hours and start getting frequent stutters

[dusty flume]

Fr

[covert elbow]

Isn’t this a pretty common and well known issue?

[novel geyser]

probably

went away after a map change so maybe its just omaha

or SMDM I dont remmeber

[agile skiff]

hi

[wind shore]

Can anyone confirm it I read online it does not pop the trophy only in skirmish

[covert elbow]

You can get it in any game mode

[wind shore]

Then why don’t you have it unlocked

[slate canopy]

Steam says specifically in Skirmish 🤔

[covert elbow]

Yea its a lie

[wind shore]

And on ps it says skirmish

[covert elbow]

I've seen a ton of people get it not on skirmish

[wind shore]

I feel like u capping

🧢

[covert elbow]

Idk what that means

[cyan saddle]

I vaguely recall other people saying the same thing Ninja is saying

[wind shore]

It’s the last trophy I need then I can finally uninstall the game and move on

[gentle lintel]

Capping is lying in youthspeak

Youthtongue

[worthy charm]

Youthspeak😅 😂

I dont know how old you are but you cant be THAT old.

[real parrot]

I feel like putting a 🐟 in this chat rn

[gentle lintel]

My youthspeak expired after chillax went out of style

[finite berry]

Based trophy hunter

[real parrot]

Never understood those people

Like, why play a game you don't like just for trophys

Is like working in a job you don't like just to earn the employee of the month and then quit

[cyan saddle]

I do enjoy the added challenge

[worthy charm]

Its diffrent on PS

[cyan saddle]

As long as it's actually a reasonable challenge and not "do this a million times"

[oak current]

Exactly!

...

goes back to playing Supermarket Simulator

[worthy charm]

Ok, chillax might be a bit old even for me...😅
Could be that its wasnt used as much in germany. I do know the cap one tho.

[real parrot]

I usually never go for trophies, I just enjoy the game as it (or not)

[wind shore]

The burn out gets me after playing for weeks trying for a trophy

When the platinum pops there’s nothing else to do so uninstall and move on ro the next game

[worthy charm]

Couldnt you just search for a group and do it on an empty server?

[wind shore]

I tried

[worthy charm]

Just saying, wouldnt be that muxh worse than Bob.

[worthy charm]

Btw can we get more flamethrower gameplay? The few kills on tobruk were funny as hell.

[oak current]

I have to play more Flamethrower

Then again, it worked because on Tobruk, the change to fight enemies in close quarters feels much higher than on other maps.

Even on Carentan or SME, I can have long alleys where the flamethrower is poop

[worthy charm]

Valid, i just enjoyed the gameplay😅

[oak current]

[covert elbow]

Actually that'd be the easiest place to get it

Join bob, find the farmers, send a abombing run

Baba boy

[worthy charm]

Not the poor exp farmers

[covert elbow]

We deserve ut

[worthy charm]

xD

[real parrot]

Whoever goes to bob deserves to play mid point rush in the middle of an artillery barrage and with 4 MG camping their OPs

[worthy charm]

Would they make a better loadout system, maybe we wouldnr need a farmer😒

[real parrot]

Or having to play medic for 3 days, I think thats worse

[worthy charm]

Based opinion

[real parrot]

As a tanker, I don't really have that problem

[worthy charm]

Same, sadly my friends dont like tanking so im forced to get out of my panther.🥲

[covert elbow]

Boo hoo

[real parrot]

I've founded a small clan just to play tanks with my friends

[covert elbow]

Luckily tankers are easy to level up and you don’t need anything past 3

I just want that drip

[worthy charm]

The last german uniform is pretty though.

[real parrot]

You just need actual experience, pure skill won't get you off the hook in a tank

[worthy charm]

You dont see it that much sadly

[covert elbow]

Yea

[real parrot]

Fr I would love to be able to paint my tank or something

[covert elbow]

Sure but having the better equipment definitely helps in a fight

[real parrot]

Or at least have victory marks like rings on the cannon and scratch marks

[worthy charm]

Honestly would be enough for me if they make like 4 diffrent designs for each tank.

And diffrent one for the years of the war

[real parrot]

100 tank kills = 5 white rings on the cannon would be dope

[worthy charm]

I find it funny that German and US tankers have more free skins than British infantry

[covert elbow]

That’s because of BM

The British para skins should have been free and it’s horrible they aren’t

At least BM understood they needed to add some unlockables. T17 just wants to reimburse their money before leaving the game

[worthy charm]

We will see hiw big the roadmap is.

[real parrot]

Just sell the game to some company that would take real care of it 😭

[real parrot]

The real roadmap are the friends we made along the way

[worthy charm]

If they dont do some rework this year, they might just drop the game and call it a loss.

[covert elbow]

Real

This games been neglected for way to long. I want to see some passion again

[real parrot]

My girlfriend have more passion in our relationship (I don't have)

[worthy charm]

I tell you, would they add modding, we get pacific in a year.

[cosmic pilot]

that's not your gf, that's me

[real parrot]

And nude female soldiers, don't forget that

[worthy charm]

Damn, can i finally romance my tank?

[gentle lintel]

Pictures of wee-wee’s and no-no’s everywhere

[worthy charm]

New Story Mode?!👀

[real parrot]

And a star wars clone wars era mod that is as big as a whole game and have its own comunity

[worthy charm]

Galactic Contension 2?

[covert elbow]

Nah I want that one photo of the guy in the pacific wear it nothing but a palm leaf

[real parrot]

A real homie

[covert elbow]

But fr though modding would be so nice

So much visual clutter could be fixed

[worthy charm]

The day we get it, is the day after the roadmap

[covert elbow]

Haha

[azure heath]

hi

i'm new here

[covert elbow]

Hello

Welcome to the bone zone

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-among-us-drip-yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss-sa-gif-24946313

[kindred hill]

Anyone know what those 4 random achievements are that randomly showed up that are just question marks?

[tall kettle]

The following achievements are placeholders for future additions. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362906315812503553/1342681309289382008/image.png?ex=67ba84e9&is=67b93369&hm=83c25031466563ffdef098487ab3b722f169ff1d6fc428acb5a70312e501ce4b&

[covert elbow]

That

[thin lotus]

let me test something

random question marks achievements

4 random question marks achievements?

huh

[cyan saddle]

Nice try Chum

[thin lotus]

does anyone know?
anybody know?

[cyan saddle]

I know!

[thin lotus]

four random question marks?

achievements?

?????

[cyan saddle]

You're getting close 🤭

[slate canopy]

It's magic. 🪄

[thin lotus]

anyone know what those four question mark achievements?

[cyan saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[thin lotus]

4 achievements?

i got four ????

what do four achievements? Randomly

[visual niche]

Not falling for it 😅

[thin lotus]

im trying to trigger the bot

[cyan saddle]

What if I told you its manual

[north bluff]

Where can I post clips on here

[thin lotus]

i'd say that's lame

auto bot would be funnier

[visual niche]

Nah y'all would spam it

[visual niche]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/442293504714997762

[north bluff]

Was that video appropriate

[slate canopy]

Not sure how it'd be inappropiate (beyond swear words... but this is a 17+ game lol)

[north bluff]

Bet

[graceful mountain]

which class has the trench shotgun

[slate canopy]

Engineer level 3 for USA. Assault level 3 for USA.

[prisma bramble]

Assault

[graceful mountain]

w

[prisma bramble]

Shotgun is sweet has such good range

[plush iron]

Any good servers for beginners?

[static stag]

anyone tring to play?

[vestal spear]

shotguns a vibe

[keen glen]

yes im trying to play

@dense oak hey bro wanna play

ok boomer

[finite berry]

#console-looking-for-unit

[frank walrus]

Good morning chat

I'm about to prepare a humongous suggestion to tank battles

[keen glen]

amogus

[keen glen]

What is it?

[frank walrus]

level 3 US assault, the sapper loadout

[frank walrus]

adding smoke shells, smoke launchers, realistic tracer rounds behaviour, semi realistic armour because well the game eventually has to be balanced

50 calibres

[keen glen]

whats the realistic tracer round behaviour

[frank walrus]

commander's hatch

[keen glen]

ai rounds?

[frank walrus]

well by adding smokes a tank can smoke and disappear, you can ping it by machine gunning in the smoke, tracer rounds should bounce off and be visible, so you can determine where to shoot

also when the commander is actively scouting with binoculars the hatch should be open covering his chest and his head is peaking out should be able to shoot him too

unless we're in late cold war tanks with commander sight magnifiers

[blissful hedge]

On that topic, it would be nice for the American tanks to have the 50 cal. On top so infantry can climb on and use it or the tankers

[keen glen]

that would be so op

[frank walrus]

https://youtu.be/PcJBJYH7Xi8?si=mnppKlnxo1cMjulM

[blissful hedge]

Well trench I have been shot out of a tank as the spotter before

[frank walrus]

50 cal should be used by the commander

commander should die easily instead of always remaining in the tank

realistically half the time he's out of the tank

[blissful hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-perhaps-family-guy-thinking-gif-13587558

Rlly? Doesn't send huh

[frank walrus]

epic embed fail

[blissful hedge]

Perhaps

[frank walrus]

blocked by mods, last time gifs were permitted it didn't go exactly well

[blissful hedge]

Ahh, on another server that allows lmao so I'm used to it

[keen glen]

If they added all the things you just mentioned tanks would be invincible

[blissful hedge]

Shii, the panzersherk was rlly good against them irl so I guess more realistic eh

[frank walrus]

not at all, you can shoot the commander most of the time making the tank easily satcheled as well as adding tactical depth were tanks can launch smoke shells to cover infantry pushes in the open, machine gunners and tank gunners can ping out tanks with their tracers, and just giving more depth in tank battles instead of whoever shoots first kills

[blissful hedge]

But can you get shot out in the spotter? Or was it just a glitch

[frank walrus]

commander dead is a dead tank

[keen glen]

not at all

[blissful hedge]

Idk bout that, I've operated a tank with another guy when our commander died in the heat of battle

[frank walrus]

currently you cant, when you're actively spotting the hatch should be open

[blissful hedge]

Ah ight ight thats how then lmao, lucky shot 🤣

[frank walrus]

well on semi decent servers a dead commander is a dead tank, just a matter of time before you get satcheled with tunnel vision in gunners seat or you'll get spotted and shot by a tank with a commander before you can spot them

[keen glen]

tjhey should make tank hitboxes like warthunder

[frank walrus]

no it will be unbalanced

[keen glen]

wdym you said you want realism

[frank walrus]

75mm cannons on American tanks will never penetrate a tiger or a panther

[frank walrus]

if you want realism germany will steam roll every single game

[keen glen]

This is what it should be

[frank walrus]

how's that balanced

[keen glen]

[blissful hedge]

Just depends on the enemy team

[frank walrus]

the only tank that may stand a chance is the 76mm jumbo

[frank walrus]

i don't play public servers

people share 2 brain cells on there

level capped community servers are the best

[blissful hedge]

Hey you ain't gotta talk bout me like that

[frank walrus]

and the m4a2/m4a3 W with the 76mm too but will require lots of skill to operate since you can sneeze and pen the tank

[blissful hedge]

Makes it fun though

[frank walrus]

just try to get your level up and play in level capped servers, whole different experience

how the game should be played

[keen glen]

m18 hellcat can pen tiger

[blissful hedge]

I'm pretty up there, round 70 or 71. Just been playin dayz more lately

[frank walrus]

they will never add that probably

[frank walrus]

you are probably that one guy who takes an mp40 and flanks for 30 minutes at the edge of the map just to get shot by a level 1 medic when you're close to completing the flank

[frank walrus]

just adjust and balance the current tank combat mechanics and then new additions will be easy

[blissful hedge]

Just depends, I play smart though lmao

Alr night yall have a good one its late asf 😎🤙

[frank walrus]

i was that guy for the first few hours when i started playing i was horrible

[frank walrus]

goodnight buddy

[covert elbow]

No it can

If you get close enough you a tiger you can penetrate it with a 75

[frank walrus]

big if

realistically in the war you need to be within a 100 m with the 75mm

and it would be a gamble

[summer grove]

I feel attacked

[night lark]

This isnt quite right. Cromwells and Sherman 75mm were penning tigers turret and side armour to about 500. They could also crack the front plate.

Wittman nearly got smoked by a cromwell 😂 about the only true thing he wrote in his otherwise book of bullsht

[wintry thistle]

The sides are a given, but the hull frontal plate of 100mm is pretty strong against the 75mm, the turret front being even stronger

[night lark]

Should have said turrent sides. Apologies

Allied tankera also figured out really quickly that most german tank crews ny 1944 in france were ill disiplined and inexperianced so a lot of tank kills were avhieved by hitting them with WP smoke so the crew panics and abandons the panzer

[thorny acorn]

lol

[night lark]

Honestly theres so much bullsht and nonsense surounding the actual performance of german tanks because of post war copium. Panzer Leader is another book of nonsense

[thorny acorn]

imagine bailing bc u got hit by a smoke

it just sounds funny

[wintry thistle]

Allied tankers defiantly had measures against the German tankers, but German tanks like the Panther and Tiger had an advantage to most Allied tanks

[night lark]

Hard factor advantage sure. Like you cannot get away from the fact Panthers ans Tigers ha big guns and big armour. Shame they never got to.use them because most of their casulties were breakdowns and running out of fuel

[wintry thistle]

Not that many Tigers were lost to fuel, breakdowns were more common due to the strategic and tactical situation. Allied air supremacy, poor crews, lack of spare parts, and not having enough time to maintain these tanks. The worst myth is probably that the Tiger I was unreliable same with the Panther

[night lark]

Definitly had the less effective doctrine and designs imo. Atleast when you factor in the Germanys situation and industry

[arctic rampart]

Why my Jagdpanzer gets penned on the front plate at an angle every single time I queue in that BR?

rigged af

[night lark]

Even when you compare to the Sherman for.example. Tiger wins on paper because guns and armour blah blah. But can the tigers power pack be removed at a batt level service depot in 2 hours? Nope.

[wintry thistle]

I think the Panther and Tiger I were good designs. The Tiger only have 1,347 produced and performing very well against the Soviets, against the West not as well but not terrible. The Panther was hard factor wise superior to most tanks it faced, it's weakest point being it's maintenance

[wintry thistle]

The Tiger is a heavy tank, the Sherman is a medium

Two very different roles, can't exactly compared them

Not to mention the face the Tiger was designed with the Eastern front in mind

[night lark]

I think you can compare them but take recognisense of the different intended roles.

German tank ergonomics were excellent

I also dont really buy the "heavy/medium" tank thing in practise because its quite vague imo when you start to actually look at how each tank was used and their actual capibilities.

[night lark]

Theyre good designs assuming you can actually deal with the logistical implocations of them.
As am engineer myself id say they were quite poor designs because the germans knowingly hadnt the ability to service and satisfy their logistical requirement.

For me designs like any Sherman are better designs because they actually concidered the logistical and service requirements and built around that while making a tank that satisfied its intended infantry support role. To me thats a bette design because it doesnt need to be flatbed trained to a factory in germany for something 4 draftees and an NCO could do to a sherman at a Battalion level maintenance yard

Panzer 4s had the same problems as Tigers. They just couldnt be properly serviced in the field.

[wintry thistle]

The difference between heavy and medium is basically that the heavy tank is designed and meant to act as a breakthrough tank meant to be made in small numbers

[night lark]

Ah like breakthrough and cruisee tanks?

[wintry thistle]

I get that point, but the Germans didn't exactly have times on their hands, by the time the Tiger reached the field they were in Stalingrad which was soon to become a disaster for Germany. They couldn't spend time fine tuning whatever new tank, they needed tanks on the front due to the situation.
The Tiger I did achieve around 9,500 tank kills, these are the numbers the Wehrmacht got from the 50% reduction on all kill claims, so i'd say it punched well above it's weight and was worth the time and effort it took to make

[wintry thistle]

Yeah similar

[night lark]

If you average it out nearly every tiger would be a tank ace with those numbers. Definitly wasnt ineffective taking T34s

Do you not think a better design or strategy would be to double down on PZ4s?

[covert elbow]

Took me way to long to realize this haha

[wintry thistle]

Those numbers are true though, the Wehrmacht did a 50% decrease in all kill claims due to the realization that kills were over claimed to a number of reasons, heavy tank battalions roughly have a high kill ratio aswell. With the 502nd having a 13.08 ratio.

[wintry thistle]

Tbh no, with these numbers of tanks and countless soft target kills, i can't imagine a better alternative

[night lark]

Does it also account for the the eay kills are counted? Germany didnt do individual kill counts for tankers. They only reported i think by companies or platoons

[night lark]

I cant say i agree but i get your reasoning. The numbers do support that the big cats were pretty good a being tanks. I just cant get over the fact they knew they couldnt maintain nd service them

[wintry thistle]

eay? German tank battalions made detailed reports on the numbers of kills and numerous other things, like tanks lost to enemy fire or breakdown. These are the numbers for the overall battalion, since late heavy tank battalions had a maximum of 45 Tigers

[wintry thistle]

I think the major reason for putting out a tank that had few parts to service is due to the situation quickly turning against Germany, that any sort of tank is better than none. But it isn't like Germany lost because of their tanks or anything like that, the war was lost due to strategic mistakes

[night lark]

Way* im on a work call thats quite boring so not checking spelling.

Thats makes sense. Its not like a bastardised kill count inferred from post war nonsense

[night lark]

Yeah i agree ironically the tanks had little impact on the war.

[twilit citrus]

I need this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0slkvBHHwgU

[frank walrus]

sides of course, im talking frontal armour

[twilit citrus]

commander I need a welbike on H11

[cosmic pilot]

The difference is whether or not it can go over a bridge

[arctic rampart]

The difference is 400 fuel

[thorny acorn]

the difference is u won't give a heavy to a solo tanker

[arctic rampart]

Under set circumstances, I would.

[frank walrus]

#1343928353568063528 message

@visual niche take a look and tell me what you think

[arctic rampart]

hhhh

I hope you AI generated at least a portion of the text, otherwise I feel sorry for your time devotion.

[frank walrus]

unfortunately i didn't

im a fast typer tho this took me like 30 mins

[wind shore]

daily reminder to give the medic m1/g43 as level 10 loadout

[arctic rampart]

Still wouldn't be worth

[frank walrus]

i mean hopefully they think about it

[arctic rampart]

Oh, no, not that. I meant giving the medic an actually usable gun.

[frank walrus]

oh lol

[arctic rampart]

Your post's fine, the reason I said the thing about devotion is that we've seen posts such like that and ones 1000x the detail already in here many, many times.
Each time, it's a well written, well argumented post with images, text and documents to back it and each time it's a message that just gets upvoted and then slowly fades away into the cess pit that is suggestions, covered above by all the pacific, Italy and mortar posts.

Also, I have no idea why'd you tag Maxim, who's just a discord mod. But hey, I bet he'll love the ping

[frank walrus]

i know i have posted a few ones, doesnt hurt to try though, one suggestion was implemented which is choosing roles in discord based on your main in game that was my post

[frank walrus]

hope he doesn't ban me but he's my favorite mod

[arctic rampart]

I mean, them implomenting a discord suggestion which takes a few minutes to cook up isn't anything to go crazy about

But, I'll hope together with you that maybe someday, something that matters will get implomented.

[frank walrus]

Amen

[arctic rampart]

We can expect the roadmap starting from March, but I sadly ain't gonna get too hopeful. I can't imagine what is the bare minimum they'll be down to do, during 9 months.

[gentle lintel]

Pardon

[vernal apex]

No one realized yet the hidden achievements are part of an ARG that leads to the 2025 roadmap which has mortars, medic buff and the Pacific.

[arctic rampart]

No tank/vehicle rework? Probably fake news then

[covert elbow]

Juno in like November/ December, paid DLC, couple of free DLC, and bug fixes

Anything more and it’ll be a miricle

[novel crown]

i'd love me a vehicle damage module rework thingamagig

also fully animated interiors/entering/exiting

[wind shore]

i see you joined the MPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NimfEoAbRAo

[worthy charm]

Kraut is such a bad nickname for germans.🥲

[desert owl]

I like it, sauerkraut goes hard

[wind shore]

considering the circumstances i think Kraut is not that bad

[desert owl]

Better than other names Americans came up during war

[novel geyser]

why is someone having a shower in the background audio

[wind shore]

hygiene is important, gamers. please shower.

[desert owl]

At least suck the Cheeto dust off your fingers 🙏

[worthy charm]

Nah, water is overated

[worthy charm]

Nah there is better kraut

[desert owl]

I’m sorry?

[novel geyser]

reminder that Black Matter banned people from the discord for calling Germans "Jerry"

[worthy charm]

Red cabbage with goose and dumplings reign suppreme.

[novel geyser]

atleast once someone got in trouble for it maybe not banned

[desert owl]

Ight, ima have to try this out🥵

[worthy charm]

Oh no😅 ?

Whats the problem with it?

[novel geyser]

nothing they just thought it was a slur lol

[desert owl]

lol

[worthy charm]

Its something by Parents make on christmas every year

[desert owl]

I’ll try it during Christmas time, does sound delicious

[worthy charm]

Potato is far better, the amount of meals with potatos is unreal.

[feral kite]

I don't know if there is a dedicated channel for it but any tips for noobs? I have only played the game a couple times with a buddy

[proven dagger]

people usually just ask questions in #new-recruit-barracks

if you want an actual guide there are plenty of resources

#1273828697941606450

[feral kite]

didn't even see it, thank you

[crude zephyr]

Hello yall. I really love the gameplay and strategy elements of Hell Let Loose, but im not really feeling I have the energy to the game "normally" as infantry atm, as its quite a straining experience that involves lots of running and then getting shot from nowhere lol. I'd much rather love to try on the commander role, and OFC I will research how to be a good commander before starting. Do I need to be a certain level to be able to play commander?

[worthy charm]

Depends on the Server.

Some community servers have lvl requirements for playing commander.

[silk igloo]

just remember that all the people complaining about commander could've made garris or AT-guns themselves but they're just lazy to fix anything on the map

[crude zephyr]

Then I shall verbally chastize the squad leaders if they don't place any garris lol

[frank walrus]

#1343928353568063528 message upvote 🔫

[silk igloo]

just tell them that you're new and you need help building garris, i'm sure they'll help you more that way. if they can get anyone to play support. often fails because nobody wants to.

[frank walrus]

you dont really need support, air dropped supplies so far are more than enough

i never felt like i needed a support player when i played as commander or officer

unless you're doing a stealthy flank

support is kinda useless

[silk igloo]

I never leave supply drops on cooldown unused and build garris with a truck too, and it's still not enough because keeping 8 garris up takes work. And then I have to manually take down older ones, which means someone else has to build new ones

[wary mirage]

What level u on

[frank walrus]

never in my almost thousand hours on this game have i ever seen 8 garrys wont lie

[frank walrus]

currently on my pc im 80

i cant remember what level my xbox is

but it was a lot i had no life

[silk igloo]

well that explains it

[frank walrus]

max i seen was 6, 2 of them were defensive

8 is kinda hard to imagine

[silk igloo]

the garry limit used to be 10 and it wasn't rare to see that either

[frank walrus]

dk man i play on like 4-5 community servers that are available to europe and speak english

3 of them are variants of the same server

called the circle, level capped for 25,50 and 75

[slate canopy]

Most matches you see maybe 4-6. I have had great commanders where we are like "Max Garry's! I cannot put this one down!"

[arctic rampart]

Awww hell nah'. Get this L take outta' here.
If you're level 80, then we doomed

[frank walrus]

[frank walrus]

i played command alot and not one time i have any officer place down a garry without requesting supplies from me and i can manage resources well

[arctic rampart]

Nah' nah', but in all seriousness, you need supports

[frank walrus]

[arctic rampart]

There shouldn't be an inf squad without a support or at least w/o in arms reach.
In my squads either there is one permanently in the match, for example, if they want to level it, or...

Most of the time, it's a simple 1 sentence and it's done. Usually the following:
"1 supply box on drop supplies marker"
or
"Double drop on supplies marker"

And it's done. No questions, no arguing, no delays, it's just there when I go to the marker.

[sick furnace]

How do people get the class roles?

[arctic rampart]

There was a channel for it, can't find it rn

But no clue why it isn't just under "Channels & Roles" at the top

[sick furnace]

Same

[frank walrus]

#class-select

[sick furnace]

Ty

[frank walrus]

welcome :)

[frank walrus]

well you need to hook me up to these servers

NA?

[arctic rampart]

EU

[frank walrus]

bruh what server

[arctic rampart]

If it's a random squad, it isn't that snappy, but the usual guys I play with are always like that

[frank walrus]

i play on the circle and brothersinarms

[arctic rampart]

But I don't accept anyone or kick everyone that doesn't have a mic

[frank walrus]

or band of brothers smth like that

[arctic rampart]

These days, I essentially only play on Circle #1

Cause I have permanent free vip

[frank walrus]

i play on the 75 capped server

[frank walrus]

noice

[arctic rampart]

I don't look towards the level limits, cause they don't matter too much. In any case there will be days with good matches and comms and days with terrible matches and comms

[frank walrus]

idk i prefer to at least have the lobby level 50 it's just easier communicating and pointing out what you need, although sometimes i feel like going to public or low level servers to help newbies

cuz no one really guided me it sucked at the start

[arctic rampart]

If we don't have dudes from the group coming, I just accept anyone as long as they speak

Whether or not they want to learn is up to them. Can't force 'em to ask questions.

[sick furnace]

@frank walrus u gun or drive?

[frank walrus]

i do both, usually drive as it requires some skill

but if the server is high level capped i can do whatever depending on my mood

i dont command tanks though, too much sweat

[sick furnace]

How well do you drive tho

[sick furnace]

I love it

Especially with new players cause then they can see how well a tank can do if the cmd isn't trash

[frank walrus]

i'd give myself an 8

[frank walrus]

yesssss

[worthy charm]

Huh?

[frank walrus]

upvote

[sick furnace]

Fav tank to drive go

[frank walrus]

panther

you?

[sick furnace]

T-34 by far

[frank walrus]

interesting choice tbh

[sick furnace]

I had a game in it where this choice happened

I found out something REALLY funny

It can go UNDER heavies

Cause of the slope

[frank walrus]

lmaoooooooo

how did you find that out bruh

[sick furnace]

It was my only choice in a standoff

Tried my luck

[lucid tusk]

How did y'all add class rolls to your names?

[cyan saddle]

#class-select

[lucid tusk]

Thanks bbgirl

[inner shadow]

what fov does everyone play on

[frank walrus]

i like 75 but well if your frames are so bad crank it tp 110, it will look hideous but you'll get some frames, game is really badly optimised atm

[sick furnace]

Whatever is default

[arctic rampart]

Default fov

[maiden skiff]

Out there question. Any longtime European players active in chat? Trying to get some recommendations on folks who'd be interested in starting up a clan in Europe but I don't live there myself, hard to get things going

[cyan saddle]

Shoot

[past vortex]

larger fov makes it slower not faster

[frank walrus]

not in this game, larger fov for some reason only god knows doesn't render farther foilage and gives you more fps, try it

[sick furnace]

Do you do the cool turns

On rocks n'stuff

[arctic rampart]

Ye, but I'm not much of a clan guy

[past vortex]

then lower render distance
strange if true

[arctic rampart]

Most decent EU players ik that aren't in clans yet don't want to be in any

[sick furnace]

I mean I am, but I can't double clan

[frank walrus]

i have the tank bible memorised inside out

crank up rpm to 2000 and turn

[past vortex]

why not join the 82nd

[sick furnace]

I have a problem with that because other drivers and I have noticed that sometimes you have to gear later, and that is only a recent thing

[frank walrus]

you need to master pop shifting

[frank walrus]

https://www.theline.gg/tankbible/#2.6

[past vortex]

very good resource, shame its not updated

[sick furnace]

Read it, wtf is pop shifting

[past vortex]

it explains it quite well

[sick furnace]

Is it where you shift at the start and then you can hold upshift to get to max

[past vortex]

just read it :}

[sick furnace]

I am now

[placid lily]

What’s the 82nd? I’m UK based player and desperate to find a few like-minded players…

[gusty fable]

Explains what? how to read a f***ing tachometer? XD

[frank walrus]

no, popping happens in first gear, especially while turning you find that the rpm is going too high so you innocently shift up and stall

then you lose aura among the tank crew and delete game

[past vortex]

[82AD]
big eu clan
has a comp team but also many more members and ofc servers

[gusty fable]

They should remove the manual gear control and make it automatic like the recon tanks. it's probably the gayest feature added for tanks

[frank walrus]

there's a small UK clan im a part of called royal marine commandos

server has 1000 only

[frank walrus]

take that recon dookie out of this ethnic household, we shift manually and pop gears here

utter woke nonsense

[worthy charm]

Driving was so muxh better pre U10

[frank walrus]

0 skill

[past vortex]

being driver would be really dull with auto :D

[sick furnace]

Absolutely not, actually remove automatic, make it ALL manual

[frank walrus]

hell yeah

[gusty fable]

Why? Don't pull that realism bs card

[sick furnace]

Oh well yeah that isn't the reason I stall like what I described

[gusty fable]

There's nothing remotely realistic about the tanks

[novel geyser]

has anyone whos had the issue of the server browser freezing for like 5 minutes when loading the list actually solved the issue? it has been a problem for years for me and I havent seen any solutions

[frank walrus]

in fact i will pull realism bs card + many people request a tank driver because they dont know how to drive, which just gives you insane aura in the cabin ngl and they start asking you stuff in the game too you turn into splinter

[past vortex]

with all tricks mastered you are faster than auto would be. so it rewards skill and maes it less boring

[sick furnace]

It's just that the reving a little slower than I'm used to

[frank walrus]

tank bible is the best guide out there give it a read

[gusty fable]

Yeah because they don't know the keybind for it lmao

[sick furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-nukem-duke-nukem-forever-duke-nukem-meme-duke-nukem-not-reading-too-long-dont-read-gif-17171040675104568396

[frank walrus]

you'd be surprised at the amount of times i wanted to play gunner and then told the driver to switch because he stalls every 2 minutes

[past vortex]

just keep in mind that the tan bible is outdated regarding panther/tiger

[sick furnace]

Damn didn't work

[frank walrus]

gifs arent allowed here

[sick furnace]

I found out quickly

[gusty fable]

If you don't understand when to switch gears and can't read a tachometer, you're either too young to be playing or just autistic

[sick furnace]

But yeah I read like half of it and found out I know basically all of it

And the page isn't loading rn so I can't be bothered

[past vortex]

maybe yo should read it too

[gusty fable]

Why is driving in this game feel like a chore but in Squad 44, it's actually fun driving tanks?

[sick furnace]

The game doesn't make sense

That's why people are having problems

[frank walrus]

no its not about shifting in a straight line anyone can do that, its about getting the right gears and maneuvering without stalling when you are being fired at or ambushed, that takes lots of skill and making it auto will actually not be very useful because some of these turns require high rpm and manual shifting

[past vortex]

just like in rl

[gusty fable]

It's funny because it's not even realistic lmao

[sick furnace]

Ok if you know, tell me which gear the panther turns the fastest in. I believe it is 4, but maybe I'm wrong

[gusty fable]

Irl you stuart wouldn't be accelerating as slow as a heavy

[past vortex]

lol he is desperately trying to avoid reading it :D

[gusty fable]

Squad 44 does it much better

[frank walrus]

i mean yeah but still, with an average driver one wrong turn and you're dead, with an experienced one you may live and kill the other tank which can win you a game, i just like the aspect of how one guy can win or lose games in hll

[gusty fable]

And driving tanks is much more fun in that game than HLL

[maiden skiff]

Clan honestly ain't even the right word to be honest. It's just a large group of people trying to play with other people with mics at this point 😂 If you're interested in even helping just finding other folks that would be a huge help too. I already bought a server for a European group and ngl the ping isn't bad from the US, it's the hours that are the problem

[past vortex]

it was only about the part where manual is better for strange manoevers

[frank walrus]

panther quickest turn is 4th, most of the other tanks turn quicker in 1st and 3rd

[past vortex]

ofc its not realistic

[maiden skiff]

Don't do that then 😂

[sick furnace]

Found Stuarts best is 2

[frank walrus]

it also depends on how much you wanna turn btw

[sick furnace]

Yeah yeah

[maiden skiff]

I've already got a North American community of 1k+ people lol, just wanted to include other continents

[frank walrus]

i dont drive lights tbh

[past vortex]

who would want that
the ping makes it unfun to play on another continent