mess-hall

[azure heath]

i got the real questions what's your favorite class?

[vale garnet]

Come play greyhound night with comp players we’ll teach you

[fluid pawn]

Keen! lmk when 🙂

[azure heath]

are u guys based uk?

[past vortex]

the scorebard is randomly centered, no guarantee it will fit me and my squad

[vale garnet]

WTH, international

[azure heath]

ok

[past vortex]

i have to collapse the other squads every time so it will show myself

[azure heath]

it's because it's alphabetical

[past vortex]

no its centered on a random player

[pine ember]

That was a good one

[fluid pawn]

Answered this a while back, however I'll jump into any class tbh!

[azure heath]

yeah, that's odd

[past vortex]

that random player is even highlighted

[vale garnet]

There aren’t really any “uk” teams either European or NA, and then the Germans have their own teams

[azure heath]

what's circle?

[vale garnet]

EU

[pine ember]

@fluid pawn Will we get an Eastern front, 1942-43 German subfaction as originally planned in the Kickstarter?

[azure heath]

oh god what did i do

i feel bad

[vale garnet]

Also they have Joe so they’re a make a wish team

[past vortex]

i mean @fluid pawn , all those QOL things are 1000s of times in suggestions/ bugs
the question was if any QOL is even considered ?

[vale garnet]

There is no QOL only suffering welcome to HLL

[past vortex]

yea it seems so

[fluid pawn]

As well as the new maps, etc. the team do look at QOL as well. I'm currently working on pre & post-launch info for the community so will try my best to include the QOL changes 🙂

[covert elbow]

#ww2-history message

Yea it’s just sad and funny to see them be so insistent on historical accuracy only to turn around and be very much not

[signal field]

My game freezes on leave squad option, happen to anyone else

[past vortex]

nice. just letting you know that those many minor QOL things really take away from the enjoyment because they happen 100s of time each game :{

[signal field]

I then have to restart the game

[covert elbow]

@void wind #ww2-history message

Just like the whole kickstarter - Modern day description thing haha

[void wind]

Tbh I have no idea what you're talking about.

[fluid pawn]

Completely understandable huk. Will try my best in my new role to shine more light on changes made/being made to improve the game 🙂

[void wind]

😄

[vale garnet]

Tbh I would rather less accuracy more balance

[fluid pawn]

Alright, I need some lunch. Will be back around this afternoon if people have any questions

[azure heath]

when cigarettes in HLL?

i need my lucky strikes

[past vortex]

what would those boost ? ":}

[azure heath]

morale

[past vortex]

less supression

:D

[past veldt]

Make them a modern vape and use them instead of smoke grenades

[past vortex]

medic remake, hand out panzerschokolade

[covert elbow]

Going from the description of “Realistic Tactical shooter” to “Hardcore shooter”

[mint ocean]

caffeine

[mint ocean]

were supposed to come with all the facial cosmetics

[void wind]

What description? Where? What game?

[covert elbow]

HLL

[void wind]

That only answers the last question.

[azure heath]

facials?

[past veldt]

Were they a thing in WW2 era bedroom activities?

[mint ocean]

the word doesn't only mean that

[void wind]

Lmao

[azure heath]

i still think there should be a mini-game on the "Killed in Action" screen, for all the tiktok brains

[vale garnet]

Your mother said yes

[past veldt]

Kepsu, When did you get unbanned?

[covert elbow]

“Hell Let Loose is a platoon-based realistic multiplayer first-person shooting game for PC set during the Second World War.” - Kickstarter 2017

“Join the ever expanding experience of Hell Let Loose - a hardcore World War Two first person shooter with epic battles of 100 players with infantry, tanks, artillery, a dynamically shifting front line and a unique resource based RTS-inspired meta-game.” - Modern day steam description

[mint ocean]

https://i.redd.it/vqe5fp458h251.jpg things such as these were to be a thing

[mint ocean]

some time ago, i asked some mod because T17 took the reins from BM

[azure heath]

that looks kinda stupid

[covert elbow]

Oh wow I forgot about those. Would be cool but I still don’t know why they’d be added or utilized

[azure heath]

i see why they weren't added

[past veldt]

Had to wait for Sirius to disappear to get in I'd imagine

[mint ocean]

the goggles look far better than the current model of the same goggles, minus not having tinted lenses

[void wind]

Yeah, that description is stretching it. I guess it's more realistic than Battlefield and CoD, so they're probably going off of that...

[covert elbow]

Having some glasses and goggles would be cool but cigarettes and pipes are just a strange addition

[mint ocean]

there are a bunch of other similar things too but i cant find the pic

[covert elbow]

I mean the game is just a worse more hardcore battlefield haha

[azure heath]

but the cig that the soldier just runs around with in his mouth instead of an animation

[mint ocean]

yea, people in the know protested then. BM (and T17) don't understand the difference between "used in combat" and "used during 1939-1945"

[covert elbow]

Absolutely

[azure heath]

smoking should be a think during match warmup, and allowed to be done in the truck

russians drinking their vodka

[covert elbow]

Ngl some minor emotes would be fun

Not like dance or full body emotes but like hand signals and then some fun ones like a thumbs up or smoking a cig would be cool

[mint ocean]

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/069/683/731/4k/luke-chesworth-3-dak-breakdown.jpg?1700734154 oddly the current goggles look far better here than in the game. The mask is a dumb thing though

[covert elbow]

Something to get you more in the game

[mint ocean]

does anyone know what happens if you headshot a guy wearing the goggles+mask combo, does it all pop off like a motorcycle helmet

[covert elbow]

No it stays on

[mint ocean]

another broken gamerule broken!

[covert elbow]

You also still get the metal ping! sfx

[covert elbow]

Game rule? You mean HLL is supposed to have consistency?

[past vortex]

also for the caps

[covert elbow]

Yep

Actually I think the normal caps fly off

[mint ocean]

first we couldn't get helmet straps because "it'd be stupid if they flew off peoples heads", while simultaneously having tanker headgear do weird stuff as well as the face veils. Now helmets dont pop off despite it being a gamerule

[covert elbow]

But still play the sfx

[mint ocean]

i hope the brad pitt hair flies off

[covert elbow]

Then just… make it so those helmets don’t fly off?

And the German helmet already has a strap haha

[covert elbow]

It doesn’t sadly

[past vortex]

that would be awesome tbh

[mint ocean]

one of them right

[covert elbow]

I wish though

[past vortex]

the greased hair with a winter face is ofc the best headgear

[azure heath]

hair and headshot sound fits perfectly in-game

[azure heath]

that's what i rock

[ashen basin]

When you are back, First question is what was for dinner

[covert elbow]

@fluid pawn is there ever going to be a relook and potential rework of cosmetics? Myself and a few others have made some comprehensive lists and ideas about introducing more customization to the game through means such as medals, patches, and minor adjustments to the actually cosmetics like opening jackets, rolling up sleeves, buckling chinstraps, etc.

I wouldn’t be suprised if this isn’t an option due to the dug in and payed sometimes system but I’m curious what the devs have to say about it

[thorny acorn]

omg medics should have a pack of cigarettes to hand out to ppl

we should promote smoking to ppl yes

[azure heath]

Hot take: there should only be one free uniform per map, but it should have styles of different ways to wear it

[covert elbow]

Have a mechanic where you can smoke a cig to increase accuracy for a period of time due to the nicotine relaxing you

Mix it with the S:44 canteen mechanic

[thorny acorn]

or just add them to look cool

[azure heath]

hold breath longer, then start coughing a lung out

[past veldt]

If only accuracy was a factor in the gunplay

[covert elbow]

Actually that’s not a bad idea… I’m writing that down

[thorny acorn]

lol

[covert elbow]

For my own projects, not HLL

They’ll never add that

[thorny acorn]

hll 2

I DID NOT SAY LOO

[mint ocean]

if only gunplay didn't revolve around the bullets being aimed specifically with the center of your monitor instead of the sights

[azure heath]

honestly my first time seeing that typo

[past veldt]

Bullets do actually come out of the gun now, kinda

[analog apex]

I guess we should be happy that the bullets come out of the gun's barrel at least

[past veldt]

Sam had a stroke

Should have left it unedited

[thorny acorn]

lets say a cig would make your hold breath shorter but give you cool look idk what buff u would get tbh

[analog apex]

why do you keep having these comments of personal nature against me every now and then?

[covert elbow]

looks longingly at the trailer

[azure heath]

how about no buff, just cosmetic

[thorny acorn]

yup

[past veldt]

I do it to everyone, it's not personal

[covert elbow]

Decrease the suppression effect

[vale garnet]

You should see the stuff he says to me

[covert elbow]

But first suppression has to matter haha

[thorny acorn]

fair

[analog apex]

subjectively for you it may not be personal, but objectively it is personal and I take it that way too

[ashen basin]

For a speed boost / Reload time boost / some kind of effect... 😄

[past veldt]

Okay

[vale garnet]

Borders on child abuse

[thorny acorn]

they make you chase medics who have the packs to ask him for another

[vale garnet]

Medics should just be removed from the game

[thorny acorn]

there we go we fixed the medics

[covert elbow]

If they were to add cigs they’d be a personal thing, not given to medics haha

[thorny acorn]

.

[covert elbow]

Also the Brit’s would need the name changed for immersion

[azure heath]

revive people using cigareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetes

[analog apex]

imagine if the cigarettes would be the in-game currency and we could be able to gather them from the corpses of random enemies in random amounts

[vale garnet]

Revive them with crack

[past vortex]

cigs were part of the ration packs

[covert elbow]

Oh dear health rework where art thou?

[past vortex]

medics did hand out pervertin tho :}

[vale garnet]

No health rework, just remove medics and revives in general, death insta redeploy

[azure heath]

looting bodies and stealing guns should be a thing

[thorny acorn]

im talking for gameplay purposes

[covert elbow]

Combat pills were a thing but perviten was used for the battle of France and that’s it

And even then it’s use has been incredibly overblown

[covert elbow]

I mean that’s basically the game loop already so yea do it haha

[thorny acorn]

add the ability for commander to call in a 6-pack

[past vortex]

tankers and pilots used it more

[azure heath]

cig drop

[covert elbow]

Yea. It wasn’t really given to infantry

[covert elbow]

Be more useful then the ammo drop

[past vortex]

ammo drop is great

[azure heath]

i use it

[thorny acorn]

lil a box of packs just dropping on the battlefield

[thorny acorn]

never seen it

[past vortex]

2 uses

[covert elbow]

I’ve only seen it when I call it in

Other than that? Nothin

[past vortex]

to enable tank killing and grenade spam

[analog apex]

When I am CMD and enough of nodes income, I keep sending ammo drops as often as I can... AT guys are sometimes happy

or Spotters
but that's as far as its usefulness goes...

[thorny acorn]

well just have a tier 2 support

[past vortex]

and to confuse the enemy
drop the airhead and supplies and ammo all at the same time

[past veldt]

Ammo drop is great. Genuinely good addition to the game, and I don't hate the price either

[azure heath]

just use jeeps

[past veldt]

Vehicle limit is real

[thorny acorn]

just redeploy cheese

[azure heath]

it's fake

[past vortex]

no the decoy function is even better

[covert elbow]

Man jeeps just make me sad

[analog apex]

could use a shorter cooldown though, a bit (imo)

[covert elbow]

An actual decent idea to add to the game and they fumbled it completely

[azure heath]

they're so loud

[covert elbow]

Having to wait 2 minutes at the beginning instead of just having it naturally spawn is just stupid

[past veldt]

Very true. 100 ammo but maybe like 5 minutes cooldown

The cooldown probably helps bad commanders and stops them from spamming it though

[analog apex]

I wish there was a jeep pre-spawned at least in 1 HQ, for the Recon.

[azure heath]

it 100% should be natural

[covert elbow]

Having a “command” HQ with a halftrack, keep, and supply truck would be awesome

[past vortex]

yea, that lvl 10 rifleman has to get to the frontline somehow

[past veldt]

Half-tracks would need to have a long spawn timer though imo

[thorny acorn]

nah he got the engis supply truck for that

[covert elbow]

No they just need to be reworked

[azure heath]

make it like a squad hq where you can't enter

[past vortex]

thats for the other lvl10 rifleman

[analog apex]

they should add some non-spawnpoint halftrack that would be much cheaper

[covert elbow]

Current halftrack is turned into a normal vehicle and a new “garrison halftrack” with a radio in the back and 2 seats should be added as a spawn point

[thorny acorn]

oh the warcrimes i did to ppl stealing my supply trucks

[azure heath]

they should increase vehicle limit or allow commander to destroy unused vehicles (not using a precision strike or bombing run)

[covert elbow]

Tbh yea that’s for the best. And if they introduce mortars just make it so they can’t fire into the HQ’s

[azure heath]

or from

[analog apex]

a dome around the HQ spawnpoints like SQ44 has

[covert elbow]

The current system of waltzing into the HQ is boring and leads to unfun situations when the last obj is being capped because you can’t spawn in the closest HQ

It’s just bad design

[covert elbow]

Vehicle limit absolutely needs to be increased. It’s not often I get to 10 vehicles on the field but it’s fusturating when it happens. Even an increase to 15 would be so nice

[azure heath]

should be at least 8

minimum

[analog apex]

this ☝️
because when the (usually US supply) truck gets stuck on the rearm crane and the repair station is right next to it, it is a permanent vehicle population blocker as it won't even blow up from being idle

[past veldt]

The issue is they added more vehicle types to the game but didn't raise the limit at all

[analog apex]

nor any of those new vehicles are pre-spawned (autospawned)

[past veldt]

So we're still stuck at 5 spawned + 7 auto spawn

[past vortex]

idk, a good commander has taken care of that
kinda like it

[covert elbow]

The wha?

[past veldt]

I understand more vehicles on the field will affect server performance (which is already terrible), but personally I'd like to see it raised by 1 to 6

Just so I have the option of spawning a jeep ever

[past vortex]

ofc you are supposed to have an extra garry or at least supplies pre-dropped

[covert elbow]

HLL trying to not have dogcrap performance, impossible challenge

[covert elbow]

Oh that?

[past veldt]

Because right now, mid game meta is spawning 4 heavies + if fuel allows, HT

[past vortex]

or even an halftruck

[azure heath]

Right now we have a maximum of 12 vehicles on the field, it should be at least 15

[covert elbow]

Well the issue is that recon got in your lines, dismantled your Garry and immediately starting capping the point and locking out the HQ spawn

Speaking of I hate recon with a passion. Their way to strong and annoying

[past vortex]

unchecked recons will mess up everything

[analog apex]

and vehicle locking/temporal claiming should be implemented too

[covert elbow]

Along with supply drops

[covert elbow]

Even a checked recon is still a a nightmare

[past veldt]

I actually think it's nice that the HQ spawns is locked when you're losing

Makes sure the game can actually end 5-0. If you've got an unkillable 10s spawn then you're just going to be smacked by 10 MGs immediately upon spawning

[past vortex]

its a whole side-game

[azure heath]

once arty is removed, recon outposts should be limited to 4 gridsquares back

[covert elbow]

They could just increase the timer when the obj is being capped but getting rid of it is stulid

[analog apex]

agreed - the HQ spawns are fast, dying in HLL is free and if the strongpoint is relatively close to the HQ spawn area, it is a problem

[covert elbow]

Or better yet change OP’s to take a squadmate nearby to place it down. Idk why they got rid of/ never implemented it

[azure heath]

to promote solo SLs

[covert elbow]

Pretty easily punishes bad recon and makes it so if you find the OP that’s it, no more recon unless they know what their doing

[covert elbow]

And why would we ever want that???

[azure heath]

i have to solo SL in so many pubs because garrisons aren't being built, but that's different than most

[covert elbow]

It’s so weird

[thorny acorn]

so basically ninja here is crying about recon

[past veldt]

My role in comp is pretty much always playing solo SL as well now

[analog apex]

this would actually get rid of those self-regarded veterans that keep playing in a solo-locked infantry squad 👍 as they don't want to have anything to do with the pub players

[covert elbow]

I mean good point but that’s because the playerbase is crap and needs to be trimmed

[azure heath]

get a better OP

[covert elbow]

Actually yea that’s it. They got rid of it because of comp teams

[past veldt]

I don't have a squad dedicated to me

[azure heath]

they don't fold in if you have a better OP than their dedicated squad?

[past vortex]

in comp they basically have ALL solo SLs and the rest is squad hopping

[arctic rampart]

So real.
Cringiest mfers around

[past veldt]

Sure, but that isn't that often in a regular comp game

[past veldt]

That's really not true either

[azure heath]

who do you play for?

[past veldt]

WTH

[azure heath]

no wonder they suck

[past vortex]

espt plays mostly like that

[covert elbow]

Lmao

[analog apex]

but I would allow building an OP even to a solo SL, if that SL is in an **unlocked **squad

[past veldt]

Who do you play for?

[azure heath]

no one rn lol

i'm just here to gripe about the game

[thorny acorn]

its the what colour is your buggati counter argument

[azure heath]

OP disentigrated

[past veldt]

They don't

Some sure, but there is more structure to it than you think

[arctic rampart]

Although I kind of thing this idea of having someone be near also requires the squad size to be increased.
During flanking missions, being alone as an SL isn't all that uncommon, especially with how easy it is to get kills (meaning your friendly or you die)

[vale garnet]

I will never stop playing in locked squads

[thorny acorn]

you are the problem

[past vortex]

ofc they have a structure, but its dynamic
basically every SL will be alone at some time

[azure heath]

it's just abusing a game feature

[vale garnet]

Players have set roles, they are not “just squad hopping”

[past veldt]

Frontline SLs are pretty much never alone unless they lose their OP

[past vortex]

yea they hop to fulfill their role

[vale garnet]

Within their SLs for that squad.

[past veldt]

Either he locks his squad solo or takes an inf spot from someone else in the best squad he can find

[analog apex]

Imo...

• locked solo inf SLs should have no way of building OP
• unlocked solo SLs should be able to build it, but have a self destruct of the OP after 5 minutes
• non-solo inf squads would have no restrictions nor self destruct

[thorny acorn]

seems reasonable

[polar prism]

What's wrong with having locked solo squads?

[arctic rampart]

Imo...
We should get updates

[vale garnet]

I don’t want to play with a bunch of pubs, I like my locked squad thanks, I can do more without them annoying me than they can help me with

[thorny acorn]

they are kinda anti teamplay

[analog apex]

only that such players should play some non-team/nonSquad oriented game instead

[cyan saddle]

I am glad none of yall are game designers

[vale garnet]

Not at all? If I’m controlling a whole area of the map by myself how is that not helping the team

[velvet ivy]

probably been asked a million times but do you guys think modern will ever be added to hll

[thorny acorn]

well u could be doing it with 5 other ppl

[azure heath]

no

[past vortex]

anti social
infuriating when a point is being lost and the only spawns near are 2 locked solos

[arctic rampart]

Every day I see 3 solo bozos marking tanks only to not have anyone to deal with it

[covert elbow]

Just make it so to place an OP you need a squad mate nearby. Pretty easy fix…

[vale garnet]

Why? It’s more efficient to use less people and those others can play other areas

[past veldt]

The other option is that those spawns just aren't there at all

[covert elbow]

No

[past veldt]

Which would you rather?

[past vortex]

if the solo players absolutely refuse to teamplay then yes

[velvet ivy]

may i know why no, im just curious idk what it would do to the game

[analog apex]

but what if the SL doesn't have any squadmate, is unlocked and is alone just because team is full and nobody joined his squad? He shouldn't be punished for something he has no control of.

[azure heath]

what if you're seeding a server and you're the only one? why should your OP get destroyed

[past vortex]

but then they should stay away imo

[past veldt]

Why cant I enjoy the game in my way?

Why should I take up a spot in another inf squad?

[past vortex]

because its a team game with a strong social component :D

[thorny acorn]

bc my opinion is right and you are wrong, easy (jk)

[covert elbow]

OP’s are incredibly strong. They need to have something to balance them out. Plus if your in a squad with no one in it you must be in a very low pop server

[analog apex]

That's why I would be down for even an unlocked solo SL to build an OP, although with a self destruct timer - so he at least gets the chance and needs to maintain it.

[vale garnet]

I’ll be honest, I’m playing pubs to practice, I don’t care about winning pub games, I want a 90 minute 3-2 game.

That’s what I want and so I go in my solo locked squad to do that, it’s not hurting anyone but yet I’m the problem despite all the 6 man pub squads being incapable of doing anything useful.

Sure

[covert elbow]

It could also just be changed from “squadmate” to “teamate” to meet the requirement to build an OP

[thorny acorn]

well who is gonna teach them

[vale garnet]

Not my problem

[thorny acorn]

maybe if they were in your squad they could learn something from you

[analog apex]

yep, I guess I would be OK with that

[azure heath]

hmm

[past veldt]

Of course. And for the majority of people that's fine. But I'm usually happier just doing my own thing. I don't want a squad tying me down.

I play logi in comp. I drive trucks a lot. I do it in pubs and events too. If I have a full squad I can't drive trucks and build garrisons

[past vortex]

wrong game ?

[azure heath]

what if you're the only player in a server

[arctic rampart]

Dude, ain't no one got an issue with the solo-locked that's sitting on arty, or the solo-locked that's driving a supp truck or the solo-locked being a "soft-recon".

Everyone's got an issue with 3 solos marking the same tank and all lacking anyone to do anything about it.
Everyone's got an issue with the 2 solos getting behind enemy lines, but being jack crap useless in setting up a silent garry.

[covert elbow]

Nothing against you guys but it’s always funny to me when people give strange arguments for HLL and it turns out they play comp haha

[past veldt]

I'd rather lock my squad, go pew pew, drive trucks, build garrisons, go pew pew, use arty, go pew pew

[thorny acorn]

and lets not talk about solo tankers

[vale garnet]

I have enough new comp players to help out without caring about “gaemer59583720” who just got the game on epic and teaching him to drop supps

[arctic rampart]

Solo tanking is a valid way to utilize unutilized assets sometimes. And can be quite effective. ofc that doesn't go for mediums or heavys unless you're on offensive, defending last.

[analog apex]

I lock my solo squad only when I know I am going to build some garries and won't be able to build OPs for my squad or when I am defending in the backline, to avoid people wanting OP on the attack. But if somebody asks to join, I usually accept and tell the guy.

[past veldt]

Is it? I've probably got a few more hours than you. I think the game is very much for me

[covert elbow]

Listen. This is a team game and elements to help support or even force teamplay should absolutely be in the game. If you want to play solo then battlefield is right there for you to play. Myself and most people I know play this game to squad up and participate in a team. Not go solo and lurk around the map on my own in silence

[azure heath]

i do like my radar OPs on arty

[past veldt]

That's your opinion on how to play the game

[mint ocean]

Early HLL had people actually reliably speak in the voice chat

[mint ocean]

More like a fact

[vale garnet]

We do play in a team, teams way more organized than any pub match you’ve ever seen 😂

[azure heath]

i honestly think there are too many caveats to adding this and that it'd be better to keep the current system

[analog apex]

the game is squad-based. If you play it solo, you are directly going against it so I would beg to differ.

[covert elbow]

You just admitted you do not play in a team when you do pub matches

#mess-hall message

[past veldt]

I'm happy with my squad of 1

[analog apex]

which... is not a squad

[past veldt]

I'm far more useful to the 50 player team this way

[analog apex]

it's a solo player

[mint ocean]

I soloplay 99% of the time as well whenever i play but the game is meant to be played very team-tied. Just that basically no match has good communication etc anymore, i dont even want to try

[vale garnet]

Yes? And then on Sundays I play in comp games where we have an entire team trying to win games

[covert elbow]

Yea and because HLL caters to all types of play it’s gone down since everyone just solo squads or doesn’t bother speaking

[past vortex]

a squad that listens to their officer is very effective

[mint ocean]

Tfw looking for a wider audience

[arctic rampart]

You're literally just run and gunning when solo-locked on the front line. You're uncapable of doing many of the things a squad's required to do.

[analog apex]

I could easily do it too as I am far better on my own but I would never dare to do that out of principle.

[thorny acorn]

then stick to comp and enjoy it but the majority doesn't play comp and the majority is more important

[covert elbow]

Okay so you admit to not wanting to play as a team in public play and want to solo and do your own thing in pubs

[vale garnet]

Crit has won games as a solo by building a red zone Garry perfectly to allow a spawn wave to cap a point. So that’s not valuable at all?

[past veldt]

Okay, that's your decision

[vale garnet]

Yes? I already said this

[past vortex]

ofc there are situations where your squadmates are so bad that they mostly serve to give your position away :}

[analog apex]

what makes you think I didn't? just with a squad on my back?

[arctic rampart]

So can be done by any recon or normal SL that's also in a full squad

[covert elbow]

“If you try and appeal to everyone, you appeal to no one”

[mint ocean]

How do you effectively have supplies and the ability to build garries when solo?

[covert elbow]

Okay that’s all I need to know

[vale garnet]

Trucks…

[thorny acorn]

what of the commander doesn't listen to you

and he doesn't give you the truck

[past veldt]

One midweek event asked me to stop rolling events 🥹

[azure heath]

teammates are horrible, they block comms and sounds, they fire your position away, and they're a waste of resources to the team

[mint ocean]

Teammates used to be good

[azure heath]

but that's hell let loose for u

[past veldt]

There is an auto spawn one at HQ

[past vortex]

solo truck usage has its place, but yk very well that has its limits

[cyan saddle]

No one is implying that solo SL is the optimal way to play, but claiming they are an active detriment and need to be restricted is a long stretch.

[thorny acorn]

and if the lvl 10 rifleman takes it to the frontlines

[covert elbow]

It’s because theirs no tutorial to the game. If they just had some built in required guides to play the game we’d get much better matches

[thorny acorn]

we are talking about pub games here

[past veldt]

But what if he doesn't

[vale garnet]

Yes? And a good logi player can get value out of it regardless

[azure heath]

like people would listen

[analog apex]

I agree, but no matter how bad they are, I can't make myself to lock myself in just because of that as a sole reason... it's wrong.

[covert elbow]

I guarantee you if we just had a required tutorial most of the games issues could be solved pretty quickly

[mint ocean]

HLL playerbase just lost quality when it became youtube-advertised and people came in like WOW A REALISTIC BATTLEFIELD, instead of how like the old players who were just autistic about ww2 and teamplay

[thorny acorn]

then you can do your job, but if he does u cant making it useless

[covert elbow]

It weeds out the players who don’t want to learn and helps guide those who are wanting to learn the game and play

[past veldt]

Right, but if I had no arms I couldn't play at all

No point adding random caveat like it proves your point

[azure heath]

i'm a (former) tanker but god i can't stand a bad crew

[thorny acorn]

well there is lots of random in public games

and what i said isnt like rare thing

[azure heath]

if my tank dies due to some preventable reason, i stop wasting resources on fuel

[arctic rampart]

Besides the normal solo-locked strategies like arty and garry building with a truck (in the case that the enemies trash and doesn't kill you nor' destroy it any point), solo-locked isn't an optimal way to play, you can't argue that it is.
You are unable to set up jack anything w/o relying on having a truck or commander prioritize you more than others.
You are unable to destroy any vehicles of any types.
You are unable to capture anything being just max 3 points of cap strength.

[past veldt]

Genuinely, in midweek mixed events, I can just drive my truck without worry against top European players. It has limits, but those limits aren't low. I can happily bypass every garrison and OP and build a redzone garrison without them knowing... I do it every week

[polar prism]

It's just one person in a infantry squad lol, who cares? At least half of the server is usually muted, so he's no different than a muted rifleman

[azure heath]

to that last point, yes you can capture a point solo

[polar prism]

.

[vale garnet]

As a solo SL I can get more CE than an entire squad of pubs, without them giving away my OP, and I can take down most of the other teams Garries while also marking tanks, other Garries, large inf groups etc.

If I have a moron blueberry shooting off my Op that doesn’t happen.

To claim nobody should be able to solo is just ignoring that there are players who are actually good at it.

If you were to say “most random pubs are bad solo SLs” then sure, but should people not be allowed to play AT because some of them suck at it?

[analog apex]

what prevents you from doing it in a nonLocked squad and rejoining those squad members every time after you are done?

[past veldt]

Idk why you're saying about optimal play. It's not optimal. It's just the preferred way to play for some

[azure heath]

sounds like your tanking over recon's role

[vale garnet]

Because the OP is useful backline…

[arctic rampart]

Theoretically, but even that happens INSANELY rarely on average community servers.
The point is used to illustrate that when playing in a squad you increase your chances tenfold, if you get inside a hard cap with your whole squad when the enemies not there.

[polar prism]

It's only a problem when he's locked in a solo tank or recon squad, not an infantry squad lol

[vale garnet]

No, recon are behind them, I’m running straight at them

[covert elbow]

That first part is a massive issue. The fact one person can get behind your lines and destroy everything the logi side did to build up defenses is horrible and absolutely should be made much harder to accomplish

[past veldt]

In events sure, I play it unlocked. In pub games, I have no interest in some MG spawning on my OP and shooting at stuff

[analog apex]

the squad can survive some time without an OP as well if garries around and when the garri purpose is fulfilled, go back to them and build them the OP... duh?

[vale garnet]

I’m not behind them dude, I just shoot through them

[azure heath]

i get your points and i think the current OP system is fine

[arctic rampart]

Because multiple un-optimal ways of playing combined, start drastically reducing the teams chances of winning.

Just like making a red zone garry next to a blue zone wall, yeah sure the garries gonna work, especially if it's still fruther away from the point.
But you start to layer these small mistakes one on top of the other and all you get is one big mistake that ends up costing you the match.

[past veldt]

Besides, here's the thing...

I don't want a squad in pub games... Imagine if I couldn't lock my squad... It just simply wouldn't exist

[azure heath]

now time to remove your G43 on the EF maps

[covert elbow]

Point still stands. In a team based game having a one man army, and encouraging it, is just bad game design

[vale garnet]

Okay sorry I’ll stop being good at the game so you can roleplay

[analog apex]

then you should not be playing the pub matches and play only the comp...

[past veldt]

Why?

[azure heath]

are you really having fun? if not, why play?

[vale garnet]

“Don’t play pubs because I don’t like how you play”

[past veldt]

Because it goes against your feelings on the game?

[covert elbow]

You can be as good as the game as you want but having no punishments for going on your own is an issue here

[past veldt]

Punishment is he can't kill tanks

[fluid pawn]

Made a stacked quesadilla. Was great 🔥

[vale garnet]

I can go on my own off an open OP too… I can do that regardless of if I’m SL or not I just want the spawn control

[covert elbow]

But he can’t take out every garrison and node

[azure heath]

what kind of cheese?

[past veldt]

Honestly in pub games he can pretty much push garrisons alone

[analog apex]

more like
it's not how it is supposed to be played. If everybody did it like this, we would end up in 18 solo locked squads - how do you think it would go? Like a CoD.

[vale garnet]

This game already plays like CoD

[past vortex]

that good solo player is most of the times less effective

there are exceptions

[past veldt]

'not how it is supposed to be played'

[analog apex]

you got that right 😄

[azure heath]

most of the time, but alf is actually good

[fluid pawn]

I think there have been converstations about cosmetic reworks however not sure how far along they are/have got. Something I can find out about and can share in due course though I'm sure

[cosmic pilot]

People need to stop framing gameplay design in terms of punishments

[analog apex]

Ben is here!

[past vortex]

some people are so bad they really only give your position away

[vale garnet]

I’m washed rn but getting there

[azure heath]

i remember you a few years back

[past veldt]

Alf is one of them imo

[vale garnet]

IT WAS ONE TIME

[past vortex]

:D

[past veldt]

I'm always tempted to lock my squad in comp so he doesn't join me

[analog apex]

Hi, any dev plans/discussions you would be aware of, regarding the loadout system, progression or resource node system?

[thorny acorn]

lol

[covert elbow]

I’d love to hear why the devs have to say. Like I said me and some others have bounced ideas and I’ve been wondering if they’re all for naught because of issues outside of game design

[arctic rampart]

90% of actions you do in the game do provide some value to the team.
The difference is that certain variations of said action provide different amounts of value.
The thing that dictates the outcome of the game is the sum of the values combined.

Making a red zone garry (next to blue zone wall), provides value, but it provides significantly less value than a blue zone garry, 30 meters back.

You make this same mistake multiple times in a game and now you've actively reduced the teams chances of winning.
Do it enough and it falls under the term "griefing".

[vale garnet]

Did I or did I not do well on the last game

[cosmic pilot]

Shouldn't you be making a dev beef instead?

[fluid pawn]

Back from lunch and very full 🫡

[thorny acorn]

sus

[past veldt]

Your recon went redzone and I hate him for it

Now I'm not playing seasonal because of it

[vale garnet]

I don’t tell spotters what to do

[azure heath]

#removeredzones

[cosmic pilot]

#removeredzonegarries

[thorny acorn]

#freealf

[covert elbow]

#removesupplydropsintheredandairheads

[fluid pawn]

This isn't something I'm aware of, however like with a lot of things, I'll add it to my list of things to chat with the devs about to see what's in store 🫡

[past veldt]

If redzone garrisons were removed I'd actually immediately quit the game 😂

[fluid pawn]

Some smoked cheddar from cheddar gorge. Was excellent

[past veldt]

U7 frontline gameplay waaassssss dull

[covert elbow]

That sounds lovely

[vale garnet]

No matter what I do, it’s never good enough, 100 kills not good enough, 10 Garries destroyed not good enough, solo cap a point not good enough.

I am cursed

[cosmic pilot]

Mods, ban him

[thorny acorn]

redzone garries and airheads give you conterplay to heavily fortified objectives

[covert elbow]

I agree but airheads and supply drops are just dumb and cause way to many issues

[cosmic pilot]

Incorrect

[fluid pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/beef-alarm-gif-24503358

[azure heath]

redzone garries should have a max of 6 guys per spawn

[covert elbow]

Teleporting frontlines are one of the worst things in this game

[cosmic pilot]

Wrong

[azure heath]

50 players per spawn

[thorny acorn]

then explain please

[cosmic pilot]

Don't be coy

[vale garnet]

Red zones are fine as they are, people who get wrecked by them are just too blind to look up and see the huge parachute telling them where it will be built

[thorny acorn]

yes

they are easy to find

[oak current]

*unless its a sandstorm on Tobruk

[vale garnet]

I don’t think I’ll ever play Tobruk

[azure heath]

just imagine a garrison with 50 people spawning on it.. i think some the spawn locations would be blocked, but it'd be interesting

[past vortex]

redzone garries are also locked anyway unless your team leaves a big stretch of map totally unwatched

[cosmic pilot]

I'm at work

[past veldt]

Go watch a GBI game

They do it all the time

[azure heath]

really

[oak current]

Crazy Australians

[past veldt]

Yes

[thorny acorn]

well then u have no point until u explain, i want to know whats wrong about it

[vale garnet]

Yeah it’s their whole playstyle

[covert elbow]

Considering the planes are bugged and silent most of the time not really. And when you have huge hedgerows or trees blocking your view it’s almost impossible to see. And why the hell should I look behind me when I’m focusing on the frontline? Having the entire enemy teleport behind me because I missed one plane is stupid

[azure heath]

guessing they don't do well

[covert elbow]

Red zone garrisons are a requirement but they should take much more effort to put up like a truck or multiple supports

[vale garnet]

Sounds like a console issue because I do not have this issue 😂

[past veldt]

They do it in cap sectors only

[thorny acorn]

yes bc u missed a plane u get punished

sounds like skill issue

[covert elbow]

Having the easy button of airheads and supply drops makes more steamrolls and weird and strange matche developments that make no sense

[azure heath]

oh, so it's basically impossible to get rid of them once they spread out

[past vortex]

its not ust you taht missed the plane, your whole team did

[past veldt]

So imagine 50 players spawning in cap sector like 200m away from the strong point.

It has a downside in that they can lack some map control from it

[vale garnet]

You don’t get steamrolls if your team builds Garries

[past veldt]

Backup garrisons suck

[arctic rampart]

Y'know what sucks even more?

Not getting any updates 💀

[past veldt]

One at most in my games

[covert elbow]

I have built multiple garrisons only for them to be dismantled by recon and then get “flanked” because of the magic teleports

[azure heath]

and that's why i have to solo SL, so the rest of the team can enjoy the game

[vale garnet]

So you didn’t build them very well 😂

[past vortex]

can be mitigated tho

[thorny acorn]

and you can see that the recon is there bc the garrisons go red

[arctic rampart]

I love how people often think recon hack, just because you dismantle garries quickly.

It's like broooother, I know these spots like the back of my hand.

[thorny acorn]

it can be prevented

[covert elbow]

It’s a possibility but having 5 garrisons go down in 3 minutes is pretty fusturating

[oak current]

Jericho typing?

[midnight nacelle]

I build my Garrisons underground with my back-up in the sky.

[covert elbow]

Don’t change much

[thorny acorn]

it does

[azure heath]

i'll rocket snipe

[past vortex]

if they go that hard you absolutely need 2 defense squads that push out to react

and rebuild

[vale garnet]

They should just bring back the faster sprint speed and old vaulting

[midnight nacelle]

That was just a decoy, but impressive shot!

[covert elbow]

What can I as one commander do against a recon team? No ones coming back to help me because they just want to rush the next point

[thorny acorn]

you onow they found it so you gotta play around that and build garry elsewhere or decide to defend that one if its possible

[azure heath]

old vaulting, yes

sprint speed felt stupid

[vale garnet]

Old vaulting was so so so much better

[thorny acorn]

thats playerbase issue then

[vale garnet]

Yeah you play on bad servers dude

[azure heath]

bring back prone jump

[covert elbow]

I wish they’d ad a spring meter already to supplement the current jog. You shouldn’t move that fast all the time but having the option to have a quick burst of speed would be nice

[covert elbow]

So every match is a bad server?

[thorny acorn]

the problem you are talking about is caused by the players not the game

[vale garnet]

No

[azure heath]

more hud elements are ugh

[covert elbow]

Console and PC is different and most definitely less quality so I wouldn’t be suprised

[vale garnet]

Limiting sprint would be dumb af

[covert elbow]

You have your hud turned on?

[covert elbow]

It’s called “balancing”

[azure heath]

no, but i'd have to see it to know

[vale garnet]

That’s not balancing

[thorny acorn]

true, but i dont think the game is gonna be balanced around console

[past vortex]

if it happens 2 times in a row i change servers

[vale garnet]

It’s just dumb

[covert elbow]

You get the option to go much faster to get from cover to cover but it’s a limited resource that you have to manage

It’s a thing to learn and use

[azure heath]

we should be able to shoot when sliding

[covert elbow]

It never was and it shows haha

[vale garnet]

The movement has continually got worse with each update to it, that would kill it

[cosmic pilot]

Because you're stupid

[fluid pawn]

Personally, I feel like limiting sprinting is such an outdated thing in games. Feels awful to have a sprint stamina bar

[cosmic pilot]

Damn discord

[vale garnet]

Bring back the old vaulting system thanks bb

[past vortex]

we also should be able to squeeze between a wall and that tree that is 0.5m next to it :D

[thorny acorn]

well that just isnt a priority, sucks to be a console player ig

[analog apex]

limiting sprint - no and OK.
However, limiting one's accuracy after sprint should be there nevertheless.

[vale garnet]

Dude the gunplay does not need to be made more milsim

[fluid pawn]

accuracy after sprinting is definetley a better choice than limiting sprinting entirely

[vale garnet]

It needs to be smoother not weirder

[covert elbow]

Going for the MilSim card I see

[azure heath]

that's a choice

[fluid pawn]

still would rather neither from playing the game perspective

[past vortex]

anyway before any gameplay changes it would be good to adress the simple things

[covert elbow]

It’s funny how that’s predictable haha

[azure heath]

i like my gun handling to be constantt

[fluid pawn]

^what smoggles said

[cosmic pilot]

The increased sprint speed and dive to prone were the single best thing to happen to the game

[vale garnet]

? I enjoy milsim games, but this game is not that, the squad system where you stop sprinting and your gun flies around the screen is stupid

[analog apex]

but then the most basic resemblance of gunplay realism is thrown out of the window 😕

[past vortex]

if they only had adjusted the tank speeds

[covert elbow]

The games way to easy and with the OHK it makes it unfun at times. They either need to double down on more mechanics to make the gunplay more difficult and take actually skill to learn or they need to go full arcade and get rid of the OHK mechanics

Because the middleground we are currently at is unfun at the end of the day

[azure heath]

who need realism in the gunplay if the equipment fits the time period

[vale garnet]

Or… you enjoy it for what it is

[past vortex]

it was rather silly with the satchels, wasnt it

[azure heath]

@vale garnet I'm sure you'll "like" this suggestion. https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1341183364618518618

[vale garnet]

The gunplay needs to be more consistent but not easier

[oak current]

well you need SOME realism in the gunplay - if I shoot a pistol and a Tiger explodes, it looks cool but it'd still be weird

[covert elbow]

I’m not gonna enjoy a badly designed game and I will point out the prevalent and obvious flaws and issues. Enjoying it for what it is is what’s caused us to be in this mess of a situation we are now

[azure heath]

i'd be so down to killing tigers with AT gun pistols

[past vortex]

wdym weired, there is historical evidence

[oak current]

That Sturmpistole

[echo nova]

itd be lovely if we could like slowly crawl when we are wounded

to get to cover

[oak current]

Flomp

[vale garnet]

All they need to do is bring back the old movement system, make the gunplay smoother and change some animations, suddenly it’s balanced

[oak current]

BOOM

[covert elbow]

Not much point to it when redeploying gives you full ammo + the knowledge to maneuver around where you went down

[past vortex]

i also miss the suicide grenades from enlisted game :}

[azure heath]

The PIAT animation needs to be as long as the bazooka and pshreck

[covert elbow]

What about tanking? The artillery recon loop? Redeploy meta? Magic teleports and flanks? The terrible resource system? Etc

[azure heath]

get out, enlisted is off limits

[vale garnet]

I’ve never even used the Brit AT

[azure heath]

it's OP

[oak current]

its an outpost? oh my

[azure heath]

it's*

[past vortex]

well i never thought i would ever say that.... but enlisted is much higher quality
and that means something :/

[polar prism]

Why? It was a quick reload irl. The bazooka and pshreck's reload in this game is too fast

[azure heath]

for balancing over realism

[oak current]

Would the star not be at the start of the corrected word?

[vale garnet]

I’m not a tanker I don’t have an opinion on tanks, I play comp we don’t have that meta, I like redeploys over revives, the flanks aren’t magic, resources are resources buy tanks

[echo nova]

oh yea
million dollar company

[azure heath]

you're my star in the dark

[oak current]

[past vortex]

naw dude
its 3 poor russians
they get the vehicle models for free

[covert elbow]

IRL example

https://youtu.be/x9PlJJlU_Lg?si=ExyW2FL4qs_OxHfM

[midnight nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-blow-head-off-break-beat-hit-gif-12244222

[azure heath]

it should only be able to be reloaded by two guys

[cosmic pilot]

If only 😭

[covert elbow]

Buddy system stuff would be amazing in this game tbh

Each solider can do stuff on their own for gameplay reasons but if they have a buddy it’s much faster

[vale garnet]

“Buddy reload my rifle for me”

[polar prism]

This game has neither balance nor realism

[azure heath]

thus remove PIAT

[polar prism]

And the British get what?

[covert elbow]

Increased tanks speeds is another must. Idk why every vehicle in this game moves so slooooow

[oak current]

We have buddy system stuff - SLs need Support players to build garrisons.
And because Buddy system stuff works so well, we have so many garrisons always.

[azure heath]

30 precision strikes per minute

[covert elbow]

Not what I meant. The Helldivers 2 buddy system

[oak current]

I dont play that game, so no idea what that is

[covert elbow]

That’s a shame because it’s one of the best shooters of all time

[polar prism]

The Typhoon's precision rocket strikes weren't even accurate anyways

[covert elbow]

It’s CO-OP but it’s one of the best feeling games I’ve ever played

[azure heath]

so 30 inaccurate precision strikes per minute

[oak current]

if they ever remove their rootkit stuff that comes with it, I'd totally be up to play some Helldivers 2

[polar prism]

Yeah, I would rather just have the piat lmao

[covert elbow]

The what?

[polar prism]

And how are you going to delay the reload to match that of the bazooka's?

[azure heath]

PIAT shouldn't be in El Al or Tobruk, it should be the Boys

[vale garnet]

Something they actually should add to this game is a 75 buff so it’s not useless 😂

[past veldt]

Jumbo 75 Nuclear HE shells again please

[azure heath]

The Pshreck shouldn't be in El Al or Tobruk either, it should be the panzerbuche

[past vortex]

neighter should be the panzerschreck

[past veldt]

BenB, if you only provide us these in your time, it will be a success

[covert elbow]

Neither should the tiger or Panzer IV

[proven dagger]

just make it so you can spawn 2 76's tbh

[covert elbow]

Hell most of the vehicles and “specialty” items shouldn’t be in North Africa haha

[past vortex]

*büchse

[oak current]

Man is a Community Manager, not Jesus

[azure heath]

thanks, i don't got a keyboard that can do it

[glass moon]

agreed

[polar prism]

And give the Germans an AT rifle too

[past vortex]

no E and S

[past veldt]

Idk, I think he can do this

[azure heath]

Panzerbüchse is

[oak current]

the Nuclear HE Shells? We'll see

[wind shore]

when is tobruk update gonna release?

[azure heath]

i had the e, but the s i failed on

[vale garnet]

P4s were in Africa…

[proven dagger]

Add the Panzer 38t cowards

[past vortex]

for the ü you can always write ue

[polar prism]

Asking for too much, HLL would have to create an entire new weapon - something they're not capable of doing

[covert elbow]

Short barrel was the much more common option. The long barrel we have in game arrived somewhat late to the front

Would be neat to have the options to chose between them

[oak current]

good ol czechoslovakian P38t.

[azure heath]

but what, you just said..

[oak current]

happy lil breadbox

[proven dagger]

give me funny czechmobile if your not gonna let me stug

[oak current]

aaah a nice little stug 3 B woudl be lovely

[polar prism]

Yeah i know I would want them, but the devs aren't gonna make a new weapon

[oak current]

instead of mortar, just a stug 3 B

[proven dagger]

game needs more variety in general not just tanks

[oak current]

would probably feel like a waste in terms of actualy advancing and firing

[past vortex]

vehicles are so generic in hll, better not talk about it

[proven dagger]

imagine a map where your just not allowed to use heavies. tank mains inconsolable.

[covert elbow]

Man that’s be so nice

Heavy’s was one of the worst things ever to add to HLL

[polar prism]

The tanks imo are probably the worst thing about this game

[covert elbow]

It pretty much destroyed any semblance of balance in the game

If BM actually took the step to make tanks interesting it could have been fun

But instead it’s just “Heavy beats everything”

[past vortex]

3rd worst imo
after cpu usage and QOL

[proven dagger]

id actually argue there being way too many run and gun classes ruin the game. along with the bare minimum shooting gameplay.

[polar prism]

Next major update should be a tank system overhaul

[proven dagger]

and teleport centric gameplay.

[polar prism]

For me, the tanks are my biggest issue. The rest i can survive with

[covert elbow]

Infantry is another worst aspect

[vale garnet]

Run and gun is just the way to play the game

[covert elbow]

And it’s bad

[vale garnet]

Shift w beats everything

It’s fun

[proven dagger]

Tanks for me are bad because they feel awful and you know exactly what to expect. Shoot first, win. Other than that they're basically just a giant neon sign that says "free points".

[polar prism]

You can technically do that in any game, including Squad

[covert elbow]

For solo locked squad leads maybe

[covert elbow]

Satchels are another huge issue

They need to be able to disable tanks. Not kill

[proven dagger]

Goes hand in hand with run and gun classes.

[covert elbow]

Having this magic box of death creates way to many issues and makes tanks a joke

[past vortex]

how would that work

[vale garnet]

I do the exact same in comp matches 😂

[covert elbow]

Yea. Assault level 9 is a joke of game balance

[polar prism]

Knock out tracks? Lol

[azure heath]

since there's no destruction there's no point for engineer to have a satchel

[polar prism]

Also knocking out tank tracks should completely stop the tank lol, no idea why it's still able to drive ariund

[past vortex]

so they are unkillable deathbringser but they cant move :D

[covert elbow]

Disable engines, immobilize a tank by destroying the tracks, knocking out the turret

All stuff currently capable in game

[vale garnet]

Heavies aren’t unkillable, not at all

They’re incredibly weak if you get rid of inf support

[proven dagger]

I'm fine with satchels killing tanks but 1 satchel for a heavy is pretty offensive trade.

[covert elbow]

Agreed! It’s so weird

[past vortex]

without satchel they kinda would be

[azure heath]

rockets

[vale garnet]

But we have satchels, and rockets…

And AT guns

And smoke

[covert elbow]

Nobody actually uses AT guns don’t kid yourself

[azure heath]

i use 'em all the time

[vale garnet]

We do all the time, console problem

[polar prism]

Give bazooka smoke rounds too

[past vortex]

sure is used

[azure heath]

pc players love AT guns

[covert elbow]

Tanks are a conundrum because it’s simultaneously one of the strongest and weakest things in the game

[azure heath]

they're glass cannons

[covert elbow]

Your either demolishing the enemy team or never reach the front. Theres not a whole lot in between

ITS ALMOST AS IF THIS IS A BADLY DESIGNED GAME AND NEEDS A RELAUNCH

[proven dagger]

tanks are unironically weak. ik people think of them as kill farming deathmachines, which they are but also there's always that one dude who will respawn every 10 seconds before he inevitably kills you. Tanks are just giant targets like I said.

[vale garnet]

No

[vale garnet]

Tank without inf is weak, tank with inf is strong, inf without tank are weak, inf with tank are strong

[past vortex]

that was in response to the idea of satchels not killing them

i dont think tanks are op

[azure heath]

bro just explained combined arms

[covert elbow]

The maps are also way too big. They used to make sense with multiple objectives per sector but that got thrown out quick and they never compensated for it leading to magical teleport flanks and way to many open areas

[proven dagger]

the only tank that is op is the Luchs

this message is sponsored by Luchs Gang

[polar prism]

Red Orchestra 2 is honestly the best game for combined arms, in terms of their progression system and tank gameplay

[covert elbow]

The games just way to big for the small player count of 100 players

[vale garnet]

I honestly think you’re just hard on the skill issue now dude

[azure heath]

give us that polish map! i know it's 80% done already

and we'll put the smaller map to the test

[midnight nacelle]

Needs more polish...

[proven dagger]

80% scrapped

[polar prism]

Probably danzig lmfao 🫠

[azure heath]

it is..

[covert elbow]

No. It’s an obvious and blatant issue I’ve heard people complain about for a long time

[polar prism]

Give us Siege of Warsaw instead

[azure heath]

but that's a siege

[proven dagger]

they announced the polish literally like 2 years ago it aint happening

[polar prism]

Where Polish soldiers and tanks fought, not a post office defended by civilians

[azure heath]

fair

but i'd be down to see how it works out, who knows, it could be fun

[covert elbow]

Yea Poland and Finland are pretty decisively off the table and out the door. They’d do nothing but hurt this game in the long run

[fierce nexus]

So is the game down or something? I keep getting network error when trying to log in

[azure heath]

i just wanna snipe a bunch of germans and a pole

[vale garnet]

A single MG can hit 400m, a rifle can one shot to 200, the map isn’t too big you’re just lacking map reading and game sense

[proven dagger]

add hungary you cowards

[covert elbow]

Remember Greg said they have plans till 2026. And if we’re getting only 2 maps a year then I don’t want 2 more factions to pile on the floundering Brit’s, North Africa, and Soviets

[polar prism]

So?

[covert elbow]

That wasn’t my point

The maps just too big plain and simple. There realistically only action in 2 squares, and this is coming from a dev brief not me, leading to a ton of dead space in the game

[azure heath]

if any of you guys wanna join my dev team, go ahead

[polar prism]

It was the first major city battle of the war, Polish and German soldiers house to house

[covert elbow]

They won’t hire me haha

[azure heath]

we're making Hell Let Loose but worse

[vale garnet]

Again, this is not true, frontline can be map edge to map edge very easily

[azure heath]

i wish skirmish was actually good, but it will never work on the existing maps

[vale garnet]

Skirmish sucks

[covert elbow]

I have never seen this. The frontline only expands out for at most half the map. Having an entire frontline map edge to map edge is a fantasy. Unless your talking about stages comp matches but in pubs I have never seen this happen in my 600+ hrs of play time

[azure heath]

indubitably, it's basically first cap wins

[proven dagger]

imagine if they dedicated time to making a whole map or faction instead of dedicating time and resources into skirmish

[vale garnet]

Any high level server will have this happening once the game settles from opener

[covert elbow]

The hell is a high level server?

[azure heath]

50+

but i wouldn't call that high

[vale garnet]

Servers with level caps

Like circle 2 or Garries and whiskey

[past vortex]

i dont think 50+ does much

[vale garnet]

Depends who they are

[azure heath]

yeah not really, it only protects from free weekends and sales

[mint ocean]

is skirmish a big thing these days

[vale garnet]

I like 75+ more

[vale garnet]

Nobody really plays it

[past vortex]

suprisingly many lvl50s that have no idea and some lower ones quite good

[proven dagger]

no it was basically DOA

[azure heath]

the lower ones probably play similar games if they're better

[past vortex]

or watched a vid or 2

[mint ocean]

erm, they aren't civilians they got trained by some commando dude. the germans definitely weren't police either

[azure heath]

watching a few soulsniper videos is a great kickstarter if you're new to the game

[proven dagger]

skirmish basically just amounts to being a seeding gamemmode.

[azure heath]

it sucks for seeding too though, it's just a fumble

[past vortex]

it should be valid because the game length is a no go for many

[polar prism]

They were civilians lol

[past vortex]

never played it tho :}

[polar prism]

This is the real polish map we need: #1189691969493028894

[mint ocean]

its funny they flushed them out by the fire department pumping the basement full of gasoline and lighting it on fire

[polar prism]

Not some post office defended by 50 postmen

[proven dagger]

honestly, it never really made sense to add new game modes to me. even if they were to, skirmish aint it

[mint ocean]

the finnish map showcased around the same time also bore no resemblance to any real place or finnish terrain in general

[polar prism]

Lol for once a HLL map will have an accurate player count

50 people on the team = 50 postmen irl during the real battle

[cosmic pilot]

Can you stop making declarative statements like this

[covert elbow]

I’m not wrong though

[azure heath]

true, not enough lakes

[cosmic pilot]

You might be

[polar prism]

Finnish war won't work in this game

[azure heath]

or trees

[mint ocean]

random mountains and developed industrial war

[mint ocean]

it would

[proven dagger]

maybe. its been like 2 years tho i aint holding my breath.

[polar prism]

Molotovs can't destroy tanks in this game

[azure heath]

they can make em

[mint ocean]

molotovs aren't the only AT weapon

[polar prism]

That was one of their primary ways of demoralizing one lmao

[azure heath]

it ain't set in stone

[covert elbow]

We are already struggling for content and unless the devs show they can have a more consistent schedule, like 4 maps a year, it’s not a possibility.

[mint ocean]

satchel charges, easy

[covert elbow]

I’d love to show off more front and factions but realistically it’s not possible with the current dev cycle

[polar prism]

Satchels weren't able to destroy tanks and shouldn't be able to in HLL

[mint ocean]

molotovs were mostly a thing in places where they didn't manage to get satchels, until it was figured molotovs were pretty good too and could be mass produced

[mint ocean]

they are

[polar prism]

🤣

[covert elbow]

It was very well proven that they couldn’t

Satchels were used to disable and not destroy a tank

[mint ocean]

the finnish high command announced a chart of explosive mass sufficient at killing tanks of different tonnages

[azure heath]

they need to flesh out the existing factions with more features and a few more maps, we don't need to be overwhelmed with new maps

[covert elbow]

3kg of explosives isn’t enough

[mint ocean]

3kg (german satchel ingame) can destroy 12 ton tanks outright

[polar prism]

Destroyed and demobilized are VERY different

[proven dagger]

devils advocate: different axis faction.

[mint ocean]

finns additionally had different sizes of throwable satchels iirc up to 6kg

[mint ocean]

destroy, knock out

[azure heath]

hot take: more german subfactions

[polar prism]

Soviet crews typically bailed out after getting demobilized, which accounted for a tank kill

[proven dagger]

id be fine with that too but it has to be considerably different, not just "i use mp40 instead of stg and look at my goofy glasses".

[mint ocean]

satchels do little to tanks when placed right on say the glacis or side plates of a tank like they are in HLL. irl satchels are thrown on the roof

[mint ocean]

they also bailed out after the tank being blown open

[cosmic pilot]

This is conjecture.
Atleast frame it in terms of probability

[azure heath]

maybe hungarians, Waffles SS, and stuff like that and they can alternate on maps

[covert elbow]

I’d love to have multi-faction maps and see some Italian troops in the North African maps

[polar prism]

Wouldn't destroy a tank lol

[mint ocean]

why do you think so?

[polar prism]

Kill a crew or a few? Maybe but not destroy it

Big difference

[mint ocean]

how does it kill crew without penetrating the tank? and if it manages to kill crew by pressure the entire thing is knocked out

[polar prism]

Lmao

[mint ocean]

you have no arguments

[azure heath]

maybe even specialized infantry squads

[proven dagger]

im not interested in different german factions unless they are signifigantly different gameplay wise. it has to be more than a cosmetic change. new vehicles, different weapons, abilities. take squad44, early germany uses different equipment than in 1944 like machineguns sourced from other countries.

[covert elbow]

We get 2 maps a year. The Soviets have 3 maps, the British in Europe have 1, and NA will have 2 maps soon. Meanwhile the US has over 10 maps.

So adding even one more faction spreads the work out even more in the next coming years. And that’s already ignoring the dev time to research and model new enviroments, weapons, vehicles, uniforms, etc.

It’s is a detrimental idea to add a new faction for all of the things I listed above

[azure heath]

Waffles SS would be entirely different from the Werhmacht

[proven dagger]

elaborate

[azure heath]

remove stg from werhmacht and gib to Waffles

[covert elbow]

An ostfront subfaction would be super interesting to add. Theres a ton of stuff they could do to make them different like captured weapons, different tanks, some unique commander call in’s etc

[proven dagger]

so we've just watered down the other faction is what your saying

[azure heath]

yes

[mint ocean]

why

[azure heath]

ok maybe not them, the hungarians

[covert elbow]

*Spanish

[azure heath]

but they use only german equipment, that'd be a cosmetic

[thorny acorn]

im once againg asking for coenders smg

[proven dagger]

I would be more inclined to add the Fallschirmjaeger and have the FG42 be more prevalent tbh

[azure heath]

Now to add Greece, mainly Crete

[mint ocean]

the FJ would only be on SME, Carentan, PHL, Hill 400, and the FG ingame is the wrong type

[mint ocean]

with pitchforks

[thorny acorn]

yougoslavia 🥺

[azure heath]

i'd be down, assymetrical warfare could be fun af

[mint ocean]

HLL used to be asymmetrical warfare and tbh better that way too

[thorny acorn]

add the liberator

[azure heath]

More commander abilities such as a Naval Barrage, Napalm Strike, and/or Nebelwerfer could be cool too

more immersion for the player and more toys for the commander

maybe even limit to one "main" ability

[proven dagger]

idk im not sold on more german factions tbh. Afrika Corp has not inspired me with hope that they share a vision with any of you

[azure heath]

they just need a little more equipment and they'd be set

[mint ocean]

reminder that Panthers with night vision were more common than Sherman Jumbo 76s

[covert elbow]

Lmao is this true?

[proven dagger]

ur right. add open top TDs so they can become more irrelevent than the Jumbo 75

[azure heath]

just cover the opening like the greyhound

[polar prism]

Satchels don't cause spalling in the sense of HEAT or HE rounds, which rely on kinetic energy that literally punches the tank. Satchels don't rely on it, and only relies on high pressure blasts hoping the blast damages something

[mint ocean]

yes

and they do plenty when thrown on the roof

[polar prism]

When thrown on top of the tank, they're thrown on engines to damage it

[polar prism]

If thrown on the roof, worst thing it'll do is knock out the commander/gunner and destroy the visors

[mint ocean]

how well do you think 16mm of armor fares against 3kg explosives?

[mint ocean]

why would it go through the turret side?

[thorny acorn]

coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[proven dagger]

jairon do be lurking

[mint ocean]

or better yet, 5mm of armor

[polar prism]

It won't destroy a tank regardless lmao

[mint ocean]

blast goes through roof into crew compartment, what do you think happens?

[thorny acorn]

blast gets the ammo hmmmm

[mint ocean]

doesnt even need to

[polar prism]

There's not enough kinetic energy to create the same amount of spalling as if an HE round hit the tank

[mint ocean]

explosives clearly do not harm armored targets

[polar prism]

The worst thing it will do it cause a small bit of shrapnel inside the tank to hit the crew

[thorny acorn]

well HE isnt that effective against the tank, no?

[mint ocean]

spalling isn't required when the armor plate gets a hole in it

[mint ocean]

HE sure is effective against relatively thin metal plates

[silk igloo]

i'd imagine that 3 kilos next to the turret might throw it off, jam it or otherwise damage it.

[mint ocean]

not to mention going through the roof

[polar prism]

It won't destroy a tank, kill some of the crew, yes it could

[mint ocean]

what do you think destroying a tank means in this case?

[silk igloo]

warp or crack the turret rings, mechanisms, maybe.

[thorny acorn]

idk 3kg of explosive sounds really effective against a metal box

[polar prism]

To the point where it can't be repaired

[mint ocean]

anything can always be repaired

[thorny acorn]

well can it

[polar prism]

Have fun repairing a tank where its ammunition exploded lmao

[delicate mortar]

Field repair =/= Factory repair

[proven dagger]

idk about that one. by definition sure but in practicality.

[mint ocean]

its a poor argument to make, regardless in context of war most often destroyed accounts for the crew being killed or being forced to bail. Clearly tanks are broken by explosives to such an extent they can't be used immediately again

[thorny acorn]

now we are talking ship of theseus teritory

[mint ocean]

reassembly is a different word sure

you don't need to turn a tank into atoms for it to be destroyed and thus claim "satchels are ineffective AT weapons"

[polar prism]

Knocked out is not the same as destroyed

[mint ocean]

you get the point though?

do x to tank to make it unusable, especially in context of the game. i.e. throw satchel at tank, it explodes and the tank becomes unusable by players

[polar prism]

Even when a single crewman is killed and the rest bail, the tank is considered knocked out

[mint ocean]

yea

[polar prism]

What do the satchels do in HLL?

[mint ocean]

knock out tanks and turn them into wrecks

what size a vehicle could a 3kg satchel functionally destroy in your opinion?

[polar prism]

This is why I hate HLL tanks, I really hope someday they'll do an overhaul...

Ro2 and S44 do it the best

[mint ocean]

RO2 tanks are horrible by every measure except for having neat interiors, very inconsistent gameplay and functions

HLL ofc has a horrible system of its own

armor and penetration as such don't exist in any properly measurable stats

Shots simply bounce off always at 45 degrees or more. Armor and penetration are all done by arbitrary values 1 to 5, ofc unrealistically given so that the 50mm on the Puma has less penetration than the Stuart's 37mm just because it's an armored car

[polar prism]

At least in Ro2 you can kill individual crew members, has realistic penetation mechanics, and an accurate number of crew placement

[mint ocean]

it worked in HLL at some point too

[mellow knoll]

Don’t we all

[mint ocean]

killing individual crew

[polar prism]

Well, have fun with your T-70 and T-34 which have a separate commander and gunner lmao

[mellow knoll]

If an overhaul doesn’t come I’m just gonna rely on Aces And Armour for tanking and just do inf in HLL

[mint ocean]

KV hull mg

[grizzled kiln]

Been waiting for 4+ yrs for that. Don't hold your breath

Devs dgaf about tanks. Sad but true

[mellow knoll]

Same, that’s one of many reasons why my hope is extremely shaken.

[thorny acorn]

idk its fun to tank, ik its not realistic but its fun

[polar prism]

Ehh, I have IL2 Tank Crew 😏

[mellow knoll]

It’s not though. Tanking shouldn’t be about who hits who first

It’s so boring

[thorny acorn]

well it wasnt in my experience

[mellow knoll]

I’ve been tanking for nearly 2.5k hours so I’m done with it

[grizzled kiln]

Drive around in a Panzer IV or a 75 Medium, and tell me what's fun about getting stuck on literally anything

[thorny acorn]

i mean i just started and it was fun so im not gonna be complaining for now

[mellow knoll]

You will eventually don’t you worry xD

[thorny acorn]

i was the driver, it is frustating sometimes but not that awful

[grizzled kiln]

About 1300 for me, and same. Only play comp once in a while. I'm just so frustrated at the handling it's not fun anymore.

[grizzled kiln]

Take one of those two tanks for a drive on Hurtgen and get back to me.

[wind shore]

you have no tank interiors in HLL, like in RO2

[grizzled kiln]

Consider that we gave the devs feedback in both PTEs and they still released like this.

[mellow knoll]

Ye I was a driver main so I get that, but it’s just how it all works that gets on my nerves. Driving a tank stuck at 20mph when the real thing went over 40 or 50 is maddening, not to mention just how it lacks any excitement or intensity than when I first played tank

The real wake up call was playing S44 tanking. Ever since then I’ve fell out of favour with HLL tanking

[grizzled kiln]

Yup,same

Driving in S44 also has some issues, like getting stuck on stuff and you can't drive through many things you should be able to.

[mellow knoll]

It’s no where near as bad as HLL though

[grizzled kiln]

true, but that's a low bar

😄 Literally on the ground lol

[mellow knoll]

True

[grizzled kiln]

Best feel of a tank. not that I ever drove one. Is BF1 / BFV

[polar prism]

At least you have a flip/move mechanic to move the tank if it gets stuck

HLL needs it..

[grizzled kiln]

And you can drive through things that actually gets destroyed

[grizzled kiln]

true

[mellow knoll]

The benefit of a game that’s not been coded so messily

[grizzled kiln]

Tank models in S44 are also 🔥 so beautiful

[mellow knoll]

Truth of the matter is, if HLL wasn’t made so poorly it’d be capable of having a LOT of new exciting features

[cosmic pilot]

It's realistic

A part of me dies inside every time I phase through a tree

[covert elbow]

Yea that’s the sad part and why I’ve said this game needs a relaunch. It has a ton of great ideas and seeds of interest but has basically nothing to show for it

[grizzled kiln]

Try Hurtgen and see 😄

[wind shore]

i think they know about most of suggestions, it's engine and code limitations

[silk igloo]

greg hinted that 2025 would be big, and with the durability update in the PTE, i have slight hopes of them adding destruction of assets too.

[grizzled kiln]

100% Agree. The concept is great. Execution is really bad.

[cosmic pilot]

Big if true

[wind shore]

so why good ideas coming to slowly

[grizzled kiln]

OMG NOOOO !!! As if it doesn't run badly enough as is LOL

[covert elbow]

Yea we’ll get 2 whole $12 dlc instead of one this time

[silk igloo]

All those shovels, wells etc could just vanish when hit with a tank and nobody would complain

[azure heath]

this is mortar year

[grizzled kiln]

Fix what you have before adding stuff. Never happening I know

[covert elbow]

No this is the pacific year

[wind shore]

i think so

[covert elbow]

Pacific 2025 baby!!!!!!!!

[thorny acorn]

nah poland year

[grizzled kiln]

In S44 Pacific just released

[azure heath]

Better UI? pls

[wind shore]

not possible with balance and game limitations

[covert elbow]

and Finland

[grizzled kiln]

Unfortunately player numbers are prob going to remain low

[azure heath]

it's kinda meh with iwo jimo rn

[thorny acorn]

2023 roadmap 😢

[grizzled kiln]

Yeah it is

[silk igloo]

new SMDM initially had destructible belgian gates, remember? and it caused no issues.

[cosmic pilot]

Define better, otherwise leave it as it is

[azure heath]

easier to use

[grizzled kiln]

UI is not that bad tbh

[covert elbow]

S:44 needs to get a marketing team. I had no idea it released today

[thorny acorn]

UI is not that hard to use lol

[azure heath]

barracks need an overhaul, takes years to get to the faction you want

[cosmic pilot]

Surely, this will make s44 popular

This time the players will come

[azure heath]

faster to use

[cosmic pilot]

Valid

[covert elbow]

I mean yea marketing’s been a huge issue. HLL got popular because they had a publishing company and collaborated with content creators

[wind shore]

#console-general-chat message

[covert elbow]

So if S:44 got a similar thing going they could definitely get more players

[silk igloo]

it was a bug, you shot a gate on the map with a rifle and it would despawn. map assets, mind. so whether it was placed there as a fort or a map asset (idk if there's any difference - maybe they could easily give engineer a buildable tree) it would be doable.

[azure heath]

i'd like to shoot trees down

[thorny acorn]

probably, but S44 isnt the same type of game as HLL

[covert elbow]

Doesn’t really matter in this case

[azure heath]

SQ44 is nothing like Hell Let Loose, change my mind

it's only the time period

[thorny acorn]

well maybe lots of ppl try it, dont like how "hardcore" it is, then go to HLL which is way more arcady and simpler

[thorny acorn]

correct

[azure heath]

large scale too, but in different ways

[thorny acorn]

thats why comparisons between them dont matter that much, the games are only alike in setting

[mellow knoll]

This it what HLL direly needs:

1. Hire more Developers
2. Hire quality control that actually has knowledge on WW2 so that weird and stupid slip ups don’t occur when releasing content.
3. Upgrade to Unreal Engine 5
4. Clear up all sloppy code and practically rewrite the game from scratch, including a tank and infantry cosmetic rework.
5. Port over all maps from the first game and add 10-15 new maps with the release.
6. Remaster all SFX regarding explosions and such.

Only then can they add new exciting features such as proper destruction, paratrooper dropping etc etc

[azure heath]

they need to make more money

kickstarter 2.0

[mellow knoll]

Yep

If they actually showed me that they’d do any of those in that list I’d gladly contribute to a remake

[arctic rampart]

The funniest and saddest thing is that, the pacific has a higher chance of happening than anything in that list

[mellow knoll]

It really doesn’t

[arctic rampart]

Yes it does

[azure heath]

pacific is never happening