base-camp

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-gif-5379373

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/m60-m60machine-gun-m60machine-gun-gif-vietnam-vietnam-m60-gif-23142539

[neon cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/war-gif-13170560

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-helicopters-gm-vietnam-helicopters-vietnam-gif-27076485

[neon cedar]

Vietnam is calling!!!

[solar elk]

We will ride into battle and these will be our horses

https://tenor.com/view/huey-vietnam-ride-of-the-valkyries-apocalypse-now-gif-16225995

[wraith edge]

i cant wait to hear about what exciting work bens been up to today on HLLV

[trim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-coppola-robert-duvall-duvall-colonel-kilgore-gif-21519376

[fathom shoal]

ts is regular tho

[plain lake]

HLLV news later this week 🫡

HLL next couple days (U18 comes next week wooo!)

[trim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-jacket-get-some-door-gunner-vietnam-war-shooting-gif-14754393188104690097

YEAAAAAAAAAH

[solar elk]

i need to see a close up picture on the hueys please🙏

[weary sail]

damn, had no idea Ben would be so transparent here.

pls don't ban me

[fathom shoal]

We love ben.

Ben is a homie

Can’t wait to play the game later this week

[mint obsidian]

Can’t believe Ben said that

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-gif-5379373

[weary sail]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-the-office-countdown-persuade-convince-gif-25275628

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/0001-gif-4599361734754995004

[lament elbow]

pls give us some reacts to react to sit rep!!

hype!!

[maiden lichen]

I would, but I cant

[dusky sage]

So glad you guys are working with Jonathan Ferguson, keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries™ Museum in the UK, which houses some of the most iconic weapons throughout history.

[high berry]

Now let's hope they listen to him and not include the 30 round magazine in the reference picture lol

[olive fjord]

The looks and details are nice but here's hoping the guns will actually play better in the new game than they do in the first

[eager sparrow]

Can we get the FG42 in Vietnam please?

[plain lake]

Added now!

Sorry about that ahah

was getting the post out across all the other socials as well ahah

[vagrant rock]

I thought at first that was the answer to @eager sparrow's question lmfao

[eager sparrow]

Yea same lol

Or any German weapon, they were used in decent capacities by North Vietnam, maybe MG34, Kar or StG

G43 was used in the Indochina war 10 years earlier

[plain lake]

What weapons to you all want to see next in the question? 👀

[sharp sun]

weed shotgun

[trim nimbus]

True. I also hope that they use the “Type D” stock on the M16, rather than the “trapdoor” that appears to be on the reference gun. Just about every source I’ve seen says the trapdoor stock wasn’t really around until 1971.

I know it’s a bit weird to get hung up on this sort of stuff, but I would appreciate that kind of attention to detail.

[high berry]

It's not weird to get hung up on if the devs themselves are striving for "stitch accurate." If that wasnt the case i wouldnt care either lol

[sharp sun]

the in game render surely shows which stock is gonna be in...

[runic kraken]

Dress it up as accurately as you want.
But if the gunplay is still boring as it is in HLL1, that’s all it will ever be.

[trim nimbus]

Judging from the sling mount, it unfortunately appears to be a trapdoor. However, it says it’s an “in engine” render and not necessarily “in game”.

[sharp sun]

im sure they are making assets not to use in the game just for the fun of it

[trim nimbus]

I figured it was more about just showing off the capabilities of the engine they’re using.

[winged scroll]

.50 caliber guns. To confirm if there's any in the game.

[solar elk]

any new images available?

[solar elk]

ooo sexy!! any of ingame huey ?

[maiden lichen]

Sadly not, but you can read through the new post in #sit-reps if you want.

[solar elk]

😕

ill deffo read it tho

[winged scroll]

should we assume that showing the bayonet together with the rifle means that fixable bayonets are in

[young crystal]

dont assume anything

[runic kraken]

Select rifle
Select bayonet

First Rifle gets slung over shoulder, and your soldier pulls out another rifle that has a bayonet fixed on it already

[fathom shoal]

RPD

[mint obsidian]

Freaking grenade launcher bro 💀💀💀

[mint obsidian]

M2 carbine and k-50m someday 🫡

[mint obsidian]

Kar and mg-34 would make the most sense, anything else is a bit anachronistic to the whole of the nva

[olive fjord]

I want to see how the weapons handle rather than how they look tbh

[runic kraken]

"Working with the Royal Armouries and Jonathan Ferguson [Keeper of Firearms & Artillery] was a unique experience for our team. Their detailed knowledge and collection of historical weapons was invaluable in helping us achieve visual, animation and audio authenticity in Hell Let Loose: Vietnam."

This quote is written in the past tense.
They're publicizing the announcement today, sure. But it sounds like they've already gathered whatever data they needed back in July 2024.

[limpid sand]

Wish they also did the same for a WW2 weapons refresh

[unkempt oracle]

Makes sense for it to have been in the past though. I'd hope at this stage of development they're not out there figuring out which guns to add

[runic kraken]

What I want to know is how they even did “audio authenticity” with this visit. Watching some era combat footage with dubbed sounds is not ‘authentic’.

Bad audio brings everything down.

[fathom shoal]

Think about it. Are people really playing for authenticity, or just to get those movie moments?

[runic kraken]

The vocal section of this playerbase demands authentic looking assets, we know this. That’s where the authenticity stops.

Audio needs to be good. Bad audio brings everything down, and this goes for every game.

I’m wondering how this team got “authentic audio” with this collaboration.

[winged scroll]

Maybe the museum has it's own audio files. Or they're referring a separate visit to some other office that has them.

who knows what else they were up to in london

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

You want to know more about audio. Good to know...

[runic kraken]

How does one get “authentic audio” from a museum
Development insight into anything audio related would be nice, particularly with weapons. Hll has some pretty sub par audio, so it’d be best to avoid that. Maybe ue5 advancements on that front?
You can have the highest fidelity and authentic looking visuals, but if the audio isn’t on par -it sticks out even more.

[trim nimbus]

Were there any other institutions that the team worked with regarding things like weapons, vehicles, and equipment? Perhaps some institutions from countries that were involved in the conflict?

[trim nimbus]

Man, now I’m wondering if I should go deeper into the historical accuracy issues with the M16 or would that upset some people?

[vagrant rock]

It will upset people, so do it.

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[winged scroll]

only T17

[maiden lichen]

It wouldnt but it would be like screaming against a wall.

I think they would fix minor things like back when they took the STG and the panther out of El Alamein

[mint obsidian]

Do it

[maiden lichen]

but major stuff like changing from the M16A2E6 to the M16A1E99 isnt something we can expect unless many people find it to be an issue.

[mint obsidian]

At least they fixed the magazines

[runic kraken]

Seems they’re happy to oblige when ‘fixes’ involve removing things.
Now adding things…not so much

[maiden lichen]

Im already looking forward to the YT video of the Royal Armouriess tho.

[mint obsidian]

They should remove the grenade launcher version

if we’re gonna be honest…

[maiden lichen]

Thats the short and not as nice version of what I mean. :}

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-the-simpsons-boring-people-im-having-fun-kj-gif-5335495

[mint obsidian]

It’s anachronistic 🥲🥲🥲

I think they only fielded test models tbh

And it was like the last month of the war

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/i-refuse-to-believe-that-mulder-the-xfiles-david-duchovny-fox-mulder-gif-5436182580000229275

Its out now:
Cheesecake 👏
hates 👏
fun 👏

[mint obsidian]

BUT BUT

THIS

[maiden lichen]

That looks fun, but is very ugly...

[mint obsidian]

Don’t look at the scope too much 😅🤣

But that’s the model that was used of a underbarrel grenade launcher

And its pretty fire

[trim nimbus]

Fair enough. Here goes.

1. The glaring one to me was that the stock on the M16A1 in this render is the “Trapdoor” stock with the immobile sling loop. This type of stock was not available on the military issue M16A1 until 1971. There may be a small number of examples of the trapdoor stock on SP1’s produced for the civilian market a little earlier, but this would have been rare. The general consensus is that the trapdoor stock wasn’t on the M16A1 until ‘71, so it would have been seen rarely, if at all, in Vietnam. Instead, I recommend the “Type D” stock, which had a solid rubber buttpad and a mobile sling swivel.

2. There is a forge code on the carry handle of the M16A1 on the bottom. Forge codes were not present on the M16A1 until 1972, and those were “C K”. “C H” didn’t appear until 1974. The M16A1 that was supposedly used as an example in the article doesn’t even have forge codes on it, either, so I’m wondering where they got the idea.

3. What is up with the handguards? They seem to have this odd ribbing or series of vertical lines going down the handguard. I have never seen those on any Vietnam-era M16 handguards.

4. The M203 wasn’t available to conventional forces until around mid-1970 at the earliest. Special Forces tested some prototypes in 1968, and it was field tested in 1969, but they, by and large, did not see widespread use until 1970. Instead, I’d recommend the XM148, which was more widespread during the conflict, and it should definitely be a high-level unlock for the grenadier.

Regardless, I’m still excited for the game, I just really want these issues to get fixed because if you promise to be “stitch perfect”, I expect you to follow through on that. Frankly, if this is what Royal Armouries told you is a “stitch-accurate” example of the average Vietnam-era M16A1, you should have looked elsewhere for advice regarding weapons of the period. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[mint obsidian]

Love that

[high berry]

Basically what others have said - go for it, but you're yelling at a brick wall haha. We appreciate the history though

[mint obsidian]

The actual underbarrel launcher used would be so much cooler

Like don’t get wrong the newer one is sick, but it just doesn’t fit too well

[runic kraken]

Vented barrel shroud is kino

[trim nimbus]

Oh, yeah, that’s gonna be fire.

Anyway, I just had to get all that off my chest. Now you guys know what to yell at T17 about.

[mint obsidian]

It would be pretty sick if we got a homemade weapon design someday for the Vietcong

[trim nimbus]

That would be pretty cool, but it’d be a little hard since, due to them being homemade, there’s no real “standard” to how they would have looked and function.

[fathom shoal]

Just make it modular and random in-game

[trim nimbus]

Fair enough

[mint obsidian]

I mean… these are all just open bolt sub machine guns, so it’s not to hard to make a proper guesstimate

And I don’t think anyone would particularly be able to get angry with it

[distant yew]

.

[trim nimbus]

True. There’d need to be some element of randomization with all the existing variants there are.

[high berry]

someone will always be angry about something lol

[balmy osprey]

I played this in reforger is really well made in close nights vintage night vision you can't see sh t but is cool, remember me to Black ops 1 thermal scope

[maiden lichen]

Two things:
A: Would be better to post in #hll-videos
B: Maybe dont post stuff thats just a obvious lie and really bad clickbait?

[balmy osprey]

A thank you, is true
B click bait??!! hahaha bro you cant imagine the ultra Vietnam trip I had yesterday with that video, idk who made it but it's super good, is not mine

[trim nimbus]

You thought I was done? You thought I’d let y’all off the hook? Wrong! After much deliberation, I have decided to point out the flaws with the M7 Bayonet, as well, because I cannot be stopped.

You see this little back-cut, here? This is only present in M7 Bayonets manufactured by Imperial, who didn’t start manufacturing them until 1973.

Here is a proper comparison between a post-Vietnam manufactured M7 Bayonet and a proper, Vietnam-era M7 manufactured by Conetta.

Notice how the back-cut is squared off instead of round and sloping.

In conclusion, while the models are very nice, there is not a single thing in this picture that would fit as “Vietnam-era”. The M16s pictured would have been manufactured right after the US left Vietnam at the earliest.
Thank you for coming to my autistic rambling TED Talk.

[limpid sand]

Collabs with royal armory to get as accurate weapons as possible

uses anachronistic weapons that aren’t from Vietnam

You haven’t changed a day HLL

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-23356423

[trim nimbus]

One can’t help but wonder if they would have been better off consulting institutions based in countries that actually participated in the conflict.

Perhaps a country that actually has guns?

[limpid sand]

Better yet, have experts or historians who actually focus on Vietnam and know a lot about the conflict

Like I wouldn’t be surprised if royal armories do have the correct weapons from Vietnam. They just needed someone to point out the differences and correct models for the devs

I guarantee they just went to royal armories and just said “Hey we need the M16 and its bayonet” and nothing else

Either assuming it’s the same thing or not caring if it was wrong

[trim nimbus]

True. Either way, if they want to make the game “stitch accurate” as they claimed, the need to be going to people that are sufficiently autistically obsessed passionate and knowledgeable about the weapons, uniforms, and equipment of the era.

[limpid sand]

Doesn’t matter in the end though. The majority of the playerbase doesn’t care about this

[limpid sand]

They don’t actually want to do that. It’s just buzzwords

They proved this with their weapon tease and the trailer

Just building hype from people who don’t know better

[maiden lichen]

That really reminded me of the scene.

But as I already said I think its fine if its not 100% accurate as long its to serve a better gameplay experience.

[limpid sand]

Completely disagree

It takes just a little more effort to verify and confirm what is and isn’t correct and then the same amount as f time to implement it

Most of these mistakes come from laziness or lack of care from the devs

[limpid sand]

This probably being the best example possible using a modern M16 and M7 instead of one from the war

[limpid sand]

Where did they say they wanted to make the game stich accurate btw

[trim nimbus]

The inaccuracies are really cosmetic, so changing them to be correct wouldn’t affect gameplay in the least.

[trim nimbus]

Not necessarily “modern”. More like mid-late 70’s-early 80’s. Basically a few years after the war.

[limpid sand]

Point still stands

[trim nimbus]

I’m pretty sure I heard it in the dev Q&A somewhere.

[high berry]

The most recent live developer Q&A. It was actually an accentuated point they were excited about lol

And maybe those images are pre-development marketing stills, idk. Just really desperate for a quality, historically accurate vietnam FPS.

[trim nimbus]

I sincerely hope you’re right. I’ve also been wanting an accurate Vietnam War FPS for a while. Arma Reforger’s Vietnam servers are good, but I’d like to see something that a PS5 can actually reasonably handle. Also, there’s no limit on what weapons someone can carry into battle, so you have to constantly deal with guys building meta loadouts with as much firepower as possible, and it gets irritating.

I would like to play a Vietnam game where I am not being constantly sniped by a dude with an SVD and then blown up by the same dude because he also has an RPG-7.

And then his buddy machine-guns me to death with a PKM before sneaking into the base and killing me at the spawn with a PPSH.

[high berry]

Yeah youre pretty restricted to arma 3 sog prairie fire for realism, but that doesnt help you on console

[trim nimbus]

I’m just saying, while I love the game and the people making the mods are wonderful, there are waaaaaaaaay too many people using weapons that were actually quite rare during the war (SVD, PKM, etc.) because they’re the most powerful guns in the game. Also, the 5.56 guns take 3-4 shots to kill a lot of the time, while the VCs AKs can put me down in one shot and finish me off immediately afterwards with the second. It’s a bit frustrating.

And they’ve tried to balance it out by increasing the damage for 5.56 up to 90, but it still feels like I’m doing barely any damage. And I know I’m hitting them because they added markers. I think it might be something to do with Reforger itself having weird code and damage models.

[limpid sand]

It’ll be historically authentic just like HLL is now. Don’t hold your hopes up

Historically accurate would mean loadouts and uniforms dependent on maps

[high berry]

Oh for sure I know better than that.

I dont mind the uniform customization. it is what it is. i just enjoy having the option TO customize, so ill take the hit to accuracy for that.

[limpid sand]

If they just had subfactions it wouldn’t be that bad

[high berry]

that would be cool, but i do like the consistent loadout

[limpid sand]

I’d like them to be different for spice of life

[trim nimbus]

I just want to build a loadout that looks close what my Great Uncle on my dad’s side carried in Vietnam. He was in the Marines in 1970 (unfortunately he didn’t make it back). I know that’s a bit late in the war, but I’m hoping I can do that on later maps.

[frosty shoal]

RS2 is pretty accurate from my knowledge

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, but it’s only on PC.

[vagrant echo]

Dev live stream

[trim nimbus]

Oh, and I just noticed the magazine, too! Man, I’m getting really into the nitty gritty today. The groove in the middle of the magazine is not supposed to go all the way down. That’s only seen on reproductions. Observe. The one in the render as opposed to actual 20 round magazines from the era.

Good Lord, T17, are you sure you actually talked to a firearms expert? Because unless he has absolutely zero knowledge on Vietnam era firearms, which I feel inclined to doubt, there is no way that the esteemed Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, which houses some of the most iconic weapons throughout history, would sign off on this.

[limpid sand]

They got Fergy Johnson instead

[trim nimbus]

T17, we do not need HLLV t be Fergalicious right now, wait until the Iraq War sequel.

[vagrant echo]

Amazing

I doubt theyre going to observe your corrections sadly

[trim nimbus]

Unfortunately, yeah. This is all probably going to be ignored. So much for “stitch-accuracy”.

[high berry]

Keep these coming lol they are actually very entertaining reads. And educational! lol

[trim nimbus]

To be honest, I think I’ve found just about everything. Unfortunately, I’m not well-versed enough in other weapons of the war to go into as much depth as I did with the M16A1. However, I know a few things about the other weapons, and if I find any flaws, I’ll point them out.

[limpid sand]

What about uniforms? I’m sure you’ll find plenty wrong with clothes and equipment once we see more

[trim nimbus]

Oh, yeah, I do like looking at uniforms and web gear. I might have some stuff to pick at there if we see any of that soon.

[limpid sand]

Same

[remote verge]

At this point I'd be more surprised to learn that the devs actually did do their research, so far not a good look lmao

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-gif-5379373

[vagrant echo]

I wonder if theyll use the AKM type 3 or use the correct type 1 and 2 AKs as their model

[trim nimbus]

Preferably, they’ll use a Type-56 with a milled receiver, which was the most common AK being used in Vietnam at the time.

[limber gust]

I have so many lags in game, I use low graphics option but still very very laggy.. someone know what can I do? Alot of crushes too and takes forever to load into a game or into a server

[vagrant echo]

What are you PC specs and are they the same as the minimum or recommended specs?

[limber gust]

I have enough space.. i have free space of 850GB

[jade kayak]

SSD or HDD?

[vagrant echo]

i asked what are your PC specs? The problems you have described could be from hardware not being able to handle the game

HDD for example are not recomended

[limber gust]

1T

Ohh

[limber gust]

Uhm can We go share screen in DM and help me out? 🥹

[solar elk]

that was quick 😂 👍

[cobalt ice]

Hi

[limber gust]

So, someone can help me out?

[limber gust]

.

[fathom shoal]

I suggest going over to #mess-hall

this is the chat for the upcoming game Hell Let Loose: Vietnam.

[solar elk]

This is hell let loose vietnam Basecamp

[limber gust]

Mb

[solar elk]

👍

[stray tiger]

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-wave-hello-hi-sup-gif-16159238468026206620

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-dynamite-wave-bye-gif-1707214696221153840

[fathom shoal]

i’m not sure how likely we’re to win

[solar elk]

?

[fathom shoal]

#sit-reps

[solar elk]

Ow my bad haha

[plain lake]

There may be 1 or 2 rather big games coming out next year can't lie 😂

Cool to be recognised however!

[fathom shoal]

That, I agree

[near otter]

Lego Batman

[weary sail]

Date Everything Greg

Oh wait that’s already out

[fathom shoal]

Hopefully there’s a seeding gamemode.. and it’s actually good.

[mint obsidian]

GTA 6?

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/damin-toell-get-out-gif-2960077830144535500

[balmy osprey]

sorry for who were on the streaming it didn't have any audio idk why

[pale cobalt]

Yes discord is sh t for streaming Woods this isn't 1968 anymore

I tried vinyl streaming other day too and audio was poor, maybe downloading discord app audio is better

[balmy osprey]

solved

i downloaded discord app thank you mate

Unit radio 01

[pale cobalt]

Time to trip the sh t over

[balmy osprey]

some times kaleidoscope stop is some windoes media player error

[jade kayak]

Please don't use the VC for streaming stuff, unless you're playing the game together.

Also this chat is for HLL:Vietnam.

[pale cobalt]

Extreme zoomers dude

We were playing

[jade kayak]

You can use DMs to stream stuff.

[pale cobalt]

@jade kayak thanks for the info she her

[jade kayak]

And if you were playing, you were definitely not using comms. I joined the VC, so I know for a fact I heard nothing. 🙂

[pale cobalt]

The VC? The VC would put you into working camps

[jade kayak]

VC, Voice Chat.

[pale cobalt]

VIET CONG

Is a permanent or what?

I'm sure she/her is not banning other people doing other stuff not Vietnam or ww2 related in streaming

[jade kayak]

Not a ban. The person should know the message.

[pale cobalt]

And is permanent incredible, you could just cut streaming and warning us

But you permabaned my friend

That's the hate this people have against culture

[jade kayak]

I did not ban.

[pale cobalt]

My friend is banned

He will not stream again

[jade kayak]

If you're having an issue with moderation, please make a #modmail-request .

[pale cobalt]

You could unban him/her

[jade kayak]

Do not use this chat for arguement. Please use the modmail.

[pale cobalt]

He can't use mod mail is banned

[jade kayak]

YOU use the modmail.

[pale cobalt]

Incredible

Pure narcissism

Millennials zoomers

[jade kayak]

Please use the modmail to say your displeasures or issues. I won't respond - another moderator will.

[pale cobalt]

And who is who supervise that hahahaha

You?

And your kpop

You don't know even what's VC

[neon cedar]

Better to remove VC at all

[pale cobalt]

We won the war

You no remove VC american

We won

[frosty shoal]

The American public won the war for North Vietnam

[trim nimbus]

The hippies, the media, and congress, yeah. South Vietnam might still be around if the US government had made good on its promise to keep supporting South Vietnam with material and economic aid. Instead, Congress just decided to leave them hanging.

[olive fjord]

he seems to get banned from places

[maiden lichen]

You have been told he isnt banned and to tell us via you modmail request. Do it post this kind of problem here.

[pale cobalt]

I hope

So he will back

We're waiting this game for 50 years so it's been some kind of misunderstanding

[weary sail]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[sharp wyvern]

@jade kayak I hope you realize that Alex Mason is an alt of Frank woods we banned em from Arma Reforger Vietnam community ur in for a lot of drama with this guy

[solar elk]

afternoon all

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-war-vietnam-rising-storm2-we-were-soldiers-landing-gif-21199276

[dusky cedar]

We need the IA DRANG valley map 🤞

[solar elk]

i bet it will come

[dusky cedar]

Let me live out my COL Hal Moore

[dusky cedar]

Would be so fire

[solar elk]

for sure

[dusky cedar]

Just running steady birds in and out of the valley with multiple frontline traces throughout the valley. Calling in CAS and arty 🧑‍🍳

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[trim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/we-were-soldiers-sam-elliott-vietnam-vietnam-war-defend-yourselves-gif-11856795089047683968

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/mel-gibson-broken-arrow-vietnam-vietnam-war-we-were-soldiers-gif-923356995682291729

[limber gust]

For some reason it doesn’t let me in the game anymore it load forever and say “lost connection to the host” it happened just now after the new update. It didnt happen before..

[vagrant rock]

The update is fugged :)

[solar elk]

This would be for #mess-hall this channel is for hell let loose vietnam a game that is not yet released 👍

[limber gust]

Oof im kipping making that mistake

Mb sorry X2

[solar elk]

👍

[jolly lance]

Do we know if it’s going to be same engine that HLL is on currently or is it a new one?

[maiden lichen]

UE5

[jolly lance]

Im guessing the current game is UE4?

[maiden lichen]

Indeed it is

[jolly lance]

Sick I hope I can run the game because I am running on older hardware and UE5 games tend to be hit or miss if I can run them or not

I do need to upgrade but I’m still hyped for this game

[solar elk]

Get some doller together if your in school still maybe do some odd jobs for neighbours grass cutting and so on then save and upgrade 👍

[mint obsidian]

Mods ban him

Good

[solar elk]

What would be cool just an idea is instead of uniforms, have unit patches or both

[rotund anvil]

You're not that guy

Your not that guy

[solar elk]

What?

[mint obsidian]

Yuh huh

Dumb clankers

[rotund anvil]

Guess what I've been doing this week

[rotund anvil]

I've been optimizing the 3d model for a b-1 battle droid

[mint obsidian]

🤨

[rotund anvil]

I know the enemy and he is me.

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-gif-5379373

[sharp wyvern]

Shubbel

@plain lake can you tell me why we are passing on the golden opportunity to give the commanders cupola an MG? Seems kinda silly especially since there is not other secondary armament on the M48A3

[mint obsidian]

I have a feeling Ben ain’t gonna be much help on this 😭😂

[sharp wyvern]

He’s the only one I can safely pester lol

Ben please pass up my disapproval of this creative design choice to the dev team thank you ❤️

[jade kayak]

He's on vacation

[sharp wyvern]

PolarBearr what’s ur opinion on this matter? I can prolly think of why they wouldn’t include the mg, but personally it seems like a wasted opportunity imo

[jade kayak]

I don't know much on terms of what's actually on tanks or not. 😅 I'm not a big history buff.

[sharp wyvern]

Wel I’ll tell you what, the M48 was such a badass tank to my knowledge it was the first tank to employ and experiment with this concept of giving the commanders cupola this sort of fully enclosed 50/cal turning it into not only an observation postion for the commander but a tiny turret that could fire in all directions

Peep the last image is actually an M48A3 I modded into the game Arma Reforger for the Nam 67 server

[limpid sand]

Probably because we don’t have them in HLL:WW2

That or the model they got/ used as reference didn’t have one

[sharp wyvern]

I figured as much, but are we really going for the same deelio as WW2? Like all those tanks have hull MGs and coax. While the m48 and t55 (I’m assuming these are the tanks they’re gonna go with) only have coax and roof/cuplola mounted MGs as secondary armament.

[sharp wyvern]

Brother if this is the reference they’re going off of they need me on the research team dog 😂

[limpid sand]

HLL is pretty notorious for having awful reference material I feel like

Hell the supposed “stitch accurate” promise they made flew out the window immediately with the M16 and M7 bayonet

Someone where broke down how they were post war models

[sharp wyvern]

Dude the m16 hand guard looks like it’s been inflated 😭 what are those ribs

[limpid sand]

Exactly

And don’t expect them to fix this stuff. Most of their promises are just marketing lies to build up hype when they never plan on fixing it

[sharp wyvern]

I mean I remember the first dev cast they did we first met Matt White the creative director and he struck me as a history buff, but it’s the little things they consistently get wrong or you can tel they cut corners which idk how you can allow if ur art director is a self proclaimed history buff

[limpid sand]

That so called “history buff” also let the British update go through

Like I said. Bunch of people who don’t bother to look into what they’re doing. They just google the reference and go from there

They also don’t have a supervisor to help guide and fix these mistakes

[olive fjord]

I love using model kit booklets as historical sources

[sharp wyvern]

I think some in accuracies as like “references” to popular media like Apocalypse Now or platoon or soemthing would be cool, but there’s a lot of lil details that are already showing through as innacurate or not the norm

[sharp wyvern]

Ur lying 🫣 please tell me me ur lying

[olive fjord]

What do you mean the jungle carbine was a mostly post war Lee Enfield variant only used in Asian colonies

[limpid sand]

If it wasn’t for HLL:WW2 already having webgear baked onto the uniforms I’m curious to see how the devs would handle it

[olive fjord]

Nah they definitely used it in el alamein and the Netherlands

[sharp wyvern]

The fact a lot of their dev team is British and the British update is what it is, 😭

[limpid sand]

What do you mean the P14 and Lewis gun are WWI relics only used en masse by the home guard

[limpid sand]

It’s sad

[olive fjord]

I really really really want the full beans spilt about what went on with that update lol

[sharp wyvern]

BFV pouches everywhere, pouch on ankle pouch on back, oh three different sizes of map cas on my waist lmao

[olive fjord]

Just why those maps and weapons were picked

[limpid sand]

I mean they’ve already kinda done it with some of the uniforms they’ve released

The “Battlescarred” dlc shows it pretty well

[sharp wyvern]

Guys who are we kidding after the update 1.5 trailer the timeline split

All reasonable thought and logic went down the other timeline

We’re in the farb cod BF timeline

[limpid sand]

Gas mask tin floating on their back, oversized A frame with no combat pack, MP40 and Kar98k pouches on the same belt, etc

Vietnam is 100% going to be the same. There’s no way it isn’t

[sharp wyvern]

There’s another reality where HLL mogs PS/S44 and it’s hailed as THE best historical shooter

[olive fjord]

They've been so weirdly inconsistent with the webbing

[limpid sand]

Anyone who preorders the game and doesn’t wait for day 1 reviews is a sucker

[limpid sand]

No, it was never going to be that. HLL has always been a 6.5/10

[sharp wyvern]

The fact that there is so much variety and weirdness in USGI kits in Nam they might get lucky and make something 40% accurate just Becuase of the amount of weird stuff that when on peoples kits

[limpid sand]

Vietnam will be the same

[sharp wyvern]

The PAVN stuff I’m gonna laugh at I already know tbi

“Chicom SKS pouches while I’m carrying a Type 56 AK”
Wow I love this

[limpid sand]

Oh that’s for sure going to be a thing

These are the same devs who gave the BAR gunner a rifle belt

And the British WWI era ammo pouches instead of proper WW2 ones

[sharp wyvern]

You know what really made me lose faith in their commitment to “get it right”

Was after we met Matt white for the first time and they’re all glazing how committed they are to “historical accuracy”
And everyone biggest complaint is
“Peadott helmet covers never existed and should be removed”
And what’s the very first cosmetic item they drop?
Ss Peadot camo on army style helmet cover

I knew we were cooked after that

[olive fjord]

It already is by many an idiot :^)

[limpid sand]

This game has never been good with uniforms

From a surface level it’s good but as soon as you take a closer look it goes bad

[sharp wyvern]

I’ll applaud the attempt it’s def the most enjoyable shooter in the genre for consoles but god we can do better

Maybe we all just have too much autism for dev work

[olive fjord]

I'm gonna be very satisfied with black orchestra for a long while

[limpid sand]

HLL has a strange hold on the U.S. market. PC has a lot more options

[limpid sand]

They just don’t have enough

[sharp wyvern]

But then there’s stuff like SOG prarie fire

So I know they can do better

[limpid sand]

I’d love to help them out if they ever want it. Hell I’d do it for free since they don’t want to spend the extra money

[sharp wyvern]

Same

[olive fjord]

We would make great ideas guys frfr

[sharp wyvern]

As someone who runs a Vietnam modded server for Arma Reforger I understand sometimes you gotta cut corners for gameplays sake but there’s no excuse for intentionally getting something wrong cuz you don’t do enough research

It doesn’t take “partnering with the royal armories” to know what an m16a1 should look like

[maiden lichen]

I sense a very weird automod keyword

[sharp wyvern]

? It was when I said godd*mn

[maiden lichen]

I know...

[sharp wyvern]

Maybe cuz of d*mn

[maiden lichen]

Idk i just thought its a bit weird.

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah that’s pretty tame word I’m ngl

[limpid sand]

Damn

[sharp wyvern]

😭

[maiden lichen]

Automod had a personal issue

[sharp wyvern]

@limpid sand rate my bayonet

[limpid sand]

That’s what I’ve been saying. If some stuff needs to be cut for gameplay purposes fine. I can understand that. But getting uniform and weapon details wrong for seemingly no reason except because they didnt bother to look up anything besides the first google result isn’t okay

[sharp wyvern]

It’s Matt he’s silencing me for speaking out against his poor choices

[limpid sand]

Cool

[sharp wyvern]

Took about 5 minutes of research to get it right

[limpid sand]

To much work for the devs. Their paid by the second

[sharp wyvern]

I hope my Ho Chi Minh smoking a blunt spray decal goes hard on the side of my T55

[icy token]

Have the developers already reached out huey.co.uk team? I would suggest to take a ride inside that machine, if its still flyable... Otherwise there is another one in Germany or Poland which is available. https://streamable.com/vjn8a2 Then I hope that the sound of the flapping blades will be so much boosted that the whole PC desk will be shaking from that woof woof woof effects 😄

[trim nimbus]

To be fair, other than the funky handguard, it’s a great example of a postwar M16A1. If this game were taking place in the mid 70’s or early 80’s, it’d be golden.
But for an M16A1 like what would have been used in Vietnam, it gets a lot wrong.

[high berry]

I can almost guarantee you they do not have a research team. lol from everything we've seen up to this point. Just another arcade shooter, but i'll still buy and enjoy it regardless

[spare flare]

The rise of Milsim also means the word "Authentic" and "Historical Accurate" loses alot of its value

Technically speaking u can nail every details right but at the end of the day barely anyone notices if your M16A1 doesnt have an auto sear because they based it on a civilian semiauto model

[spare flare]

Also Arma Reforger Vietnam has like a millions thing wrong

[sharp wyvern]

Hell yeah it does 😎

[spare flare]

Suggesting checking out GOM4 mod to get things straighten up

[trim nimbus]

Well, you could get an auto sear, but it’d be illegal. That’s the fun part about video games. No gun laws.

[remote verge]

3d scanned?

[sharp wyvern]

Some parts yes

[remote verge]

very neat

[sharp wyvern]

Couple of m56 rigs assembled

[remote verge]

Pretty good stuff

I gotta make some m56 pouches, not looking forward to it. Flap looks annoying to make

[limpid sand]

Is this your work? This is really impressive

[sharp valve]

Im worried for Vietnam fellas. HLL WW2 has been out for about 5 years and driving a tank is atrocious with this new update, i can only imagine how a helicopter or boat is going to handle.

[sharp wyvern]

Some stuff cooking for reforger Vietnam 67

[sharp wyvern]

I hope the helis is like an assisted flight where it doesn’t allow you to flip but mainly allows for up and down movement I can image the horrors of having random players flying and ruining a match

[remote verge]

I have like zero expectations for this game

I stopped playing HLL WW2 years ago because I didn’t like the direction the game was headed when the new studio took over, but we’ll see what happens

[trim nimbus]

Personally, I’m excited for the game, but I really hope they actually keep their word on historical accuracy (I know they probably won’t, but I can dream).

[remote verge]

trailer wasnt a good look for that 😭

[trim nimbus]

To be fair, the first trailer for RS2 also had its flaws. They had 30 round mags in the M16s.

[remote verge]

very true

also alice mag pouches iirc

[trim nimbus]

T17, you can fix the historical inaccuracies, I believe in you.

[ancient solstice]

True

It looks more representative of late 1969 and onwards with the m203 at least

Without that definitely looks more 67-68 with how the gear is worn 65 is very very different from even 66

[trim nimbus]

1969 at the absolute earliest if we’re just accounting for the M203, because that’s when they were testing them out in field trials.
Mass produced M203s didn’t make it to Vietnam until mid-late 1970.

And that’s not accounting for the fact that the M16A1 in the trailer also appears to have the trapdoor stock. I haven’t gotten a really close look, but it appears to have the fixed sling loop instead of a mobile sling swivel.

So really, 1971.

[limpid sand]

Guys

They don’t know what year it is

They said “1965” to set a mood

Their uniforms will be jumbled, their weapons and equipment a mix of everything, and the maps will have the same stuff

Let’s not get our expectations up

[spare flare]

Inb4 the NVA used GP-25 which even to this day they don't use

[limpid sand]

Lunge mines when

[trim nimbus]

I mean, they sort of mostly fixed the weapons and uniforms for the North Africa Campaign maps, so maybe they’ll try…?
Possibly.
Hopefully.
I wouldn’t count on it, though.

[thorny vessel]

You gotta remember that Team17 acquired this game off Black Matter. There's been a lot of legacy stuff and spaghetti code that they've had to work around or try to improve. Once a game is in such a complete state, it's hard to completely change or overhaul things without breaking stuff. I'm optimistic a brand new game, on a new engine, with lessons learnt from HLL ww2 that HLL:V will be much better

[sharp wyvern]

Ngl there’s actual grounds for this lol

[sharp wyvern]

This 👆part of the reason I think they’ve struggled so much with improving the ww2 game

[trim nimbus]

I know I’ve criticized the historical accuracy of this game multiple times, but I’m still pretty excited.

I hope we get to see more soon.

[quiet smelt]

Yk

The game will definitely have some performance issues

[vagrant rock]

Casual reminder that the developer teams are different in size and most likely also in competence.

[quiet smelt]

I'm talking about the fact that is a jungle based game on unreal engine 5

[vagrant rock]

That's fair then lol

[quiet smelt]

Most games with normal map sizes have a lot of performance issues when using unreal engine 5, now imagine a giant jungle full of foliage, water, light, effects, etc, add the 100 player servers and you got a game with a horrible performance

It isn't about the devs being good or bad, it's the engine being kinda azz

[jaunty belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

yall got any more of them sneak peaks?

[trim nimbus]

Yeah. I need another hit, man.

[desert rivet]

I have this

Does this help?

[jaunty belfry]

cats or corgis only

[jaunty belfry]

desperately

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-feeding-gif-24196250

[jaunty belfry]

oppossums raccoons or squirels work too

https://tenor.com/view/steal-racoon-cute-funny-animals-cat-food-gif-15431336

[jaunty belfry]

you can probably smell that house from the street

[desert rivet]

Racoons are so fvking weird, what are they even supposed to be? Cats, dogs, lemurs ?😭

[jaunty belfry]

garbage pale kitties

[desert rivet]

Kitties don't have hands

[jaunty belfry]

true

little people hands

[plain lake]

I have got some stuff to share, however the focus atm is getting the U18 fix out, so our socials is currently taken up with that. That being said, I'll have some more stuff for you next week all-being well! 😄

[sharp wyvern]

Gimme custom helmets

[desert rivet]

These look really cool

[glacial moth]

Bollocks 🤣

[spare flare]

all of those pith helmets are fake lol

[sharp wyvern]

CAP

[heady kettle]

Optimisation prior to launch is becoming a curse word in gaming. there's right now a major gap between the desktop build power of the average customer to the needs of new games and UE5.
When UE5 is too ez for most users the overall feeling of how things play out gets better.
You see now lot's of games with 100+ players that have outdated engines and graphics but you got player bases because it's doable for the masses.

[rose phoenix]

gibt es ein deutschen hell let loose server?

[maiden lichen]

Link in #german

[tight epoch]

@shell pond Friend me I miss you please come home

[quiet smelt]

Dude, imagine if they make a reference to the rock apes on hll v

It would be so awesome

It would be so cool

[trim nimbus]

Rock apes would actually be kinda sick.

Ooh, a Tour of Darkness campaign with rock apes would go hard. (Tour of Darkness is a TTRPG).

[trim nimbus]

Also, are we due for more crumbs of info about HLLV?

[maiden lichen]

overdue

[trim nimbus]

I assume that the lack of news is due to issues with the update?

[young crystal]

yeee

[trim nimbus]

I hope we get news soon, and by soon I mean sooner than

[urban sequoia]

Well just had a game crash hour and 27 min into it so thanks nothing is fixed exactly the same issue

[limpid sand]

It’s also because this is HLL and you get a single crumb of info every 3 months

[plain lake]

https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/1407788593677733970/1435328873842610267
👀

[trim nimbus]

Looks good! I don’t really know a lot about AKs, so I can’t really nitpick anything, but it is definitely a nice-looking Type-56! I’m interested in seeing the M60 and Stevens model 77E. I think the 77E was a good choice. It’s often overlooked despite being the most common shotgun used during the war.

[plain lake]

But also, yes. Sorry about that

[trim nimbus]

I mean, I get it. The functionality of the HLL we currently have is the higher priority.

[plain lake]

Especially when comms can get diluted as I've been sending out a lot for HLL recently. Didn't want the Vietnam stuff to get lost you know 🙂

[spare flare]

only minor nitpick is the Type 56 was never standard for NVA

Nor any AK really

[dusky cedar]

They used plenty of AKs and SKS

[plain lake]

We can go into more info on why certain guns are in the game later if you would like

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_56_assault_rifle

[dusky cedar]

Especially later in the war

[spare flare]

nahhh i have no problem with the Type 56

[trim nimbus]

I mean, they were still quite common. Especially after 1968. I have documents from 1970 going over Marine operations in An Hoa and the AK (they don’t really go over what type) is the most common enemy weapon captured.

[spare flare]

it just minor stuff, the NVA/PAVN used 17 AK variants altogether until 2021

so none of them are standard

[plain lake]

I know wiki isn't always accurate (and we have much better research pool) but here's what I found on a quick google ahha

[spare flare]

they were all AK to them

[plain lake]

This is well interesting can't lie

Can't wait to see all of your guys research and history facts as we get closer to launch

[spare flare]

it's not really about how common type 56 is, it definitely is the most common AK variant in vietnam

[dusky cedar]

Need gameplay 😅

[spare flare]

it more that the description doesnt give it justice

[dusky cedar]

M60 No question

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-mys5-gif-25672487

[dusky cedar]

Idk if you even have this info or the liberty to divulge..But how far along in the development process is the team in regards to HLLV. Like has this been getting worked for a year+ at this point?

[spare flare]

love steven

[trim nimbus]

Honestly, I am sorry if I was too harsh in my critique of the M16A1 model. I just wanted to see it done right. I do hope the model gets changed to more accurately reflect what a “Vietnam-era” M16A1 looked like, but I’m sorry if I went overboard.

[young crystal]

might wanna put that into #hllv-media or somewhere else where people can see it 😄
Cause its gonna be gone in a few minutes, as text passes by

[spare flare]

secretly just want Kbkg wz 60 as the NVA counterpart to the M16A1/M203

eventhough it is not really comparable

[plain lake]

In the Royal Armouries collab post we mentioned how "The collaboration began in July 2024, just a few months into the game’s development".
Basically we're around 18 months-ish in now i believe 🫡
https://www.hellletloose.com/blog/royal-armouries-collaboration-announcement

[spare flare]

otherwise the US has a noob tube on their side and the NVA didnt really have a noob tube

[desert rivet]

M60 obviously

https://tenor.com/view/m60-m60machine-gun-m60machine-gun-gif-vietnam-vietnam-m60-gif-23142539

[mint obsidian]

Ben I want my k-50 smg 🥲

[dusky cedar]

Just give us a video of a napalm strike

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-apocalypse-now-gif-3471178

[dusky cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-napalm-explosion-boom-gif-16616999

[desert rivet]

Is that a yes?

[sharp wyvern]

Ben I wanna see uniforms/characters and gear I don’t care about guns

That’s where the inaccuracies are really gonna show lol

[runic kraken]

How about less renders and more about how they’re hopefully aren’t just laserbeam oneshotting death rays like in hll1?

[desert rivet]

Are you going to reuse any of the hll iconic faces?

[spare flare]

manifest for the Kbkg wz 60

[vagrant echo]

Hopefully that pullout bayonet will be useable on the type 56

[spare flare]

it got to be

[trim nimbus]

I, too, want bayonets. Both for HLLV and eventually for the current game.

[plain lake]

Uniforms will be shared don't you worry 🫡 Guns are just currently what's being shared due to our Royal Armoury collab, and that the guns are looking sick atm ahah

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, I’d like to see the uniforms and gear, too. I hope the customization is going to be more in-depth than just getting to choose a helmet and a uniform.

[sharp wyvern]

Can you share your references for the uniforms?

[winged scroll]

both the m16 and ak featured bayonets, im calling it confirmed

[maiden lichen]

Who are the boring people voting for the M60?

-# kidding

[tall scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-rising-storm-vietnam-ho-chi-minh-gaming-gif-25741115

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/m60-m60machine-gun-m60machine-gun-gif-vietnam-vietnam-m60-gif-23142539

[vagrant echo]

The M60 is goated tho

Belt fed FG42

[balmy osprey]

early 2026 or late 2026?

[unkempt oracle]

Yes

[balmy osprey]

know your enemy

is the opportunity of hll

HLL should have mods too can you imagine

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/bohhriiing-randy-marsh-south-park-s14e14-crème-fraiche-gif-23114921

Ben, I use my moderator premium rights to veto that.

Do the other one instead.

[balmy osprey]

hell let loose hype train RS2

[neon cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

[sharp wyvern]

With 💀

[next dawn]

when are you guys gonna fix the game

like come on 2 hotfixis in and still the same problem

and i am not the only one

[jade kayak]

This game isn't even out yet....? This is Vietnam chat

[vagrant rock]

True, devs just should've pressed the "fix game" button. Thanks for pointing out that they could just "fix the game".

[late pond]

YO

What do you think the American victory music will be at the end of a game

in HLL Vietnam

[bold sky]

Guys do you think i should play HLL before HLLV?

[maiden lichen]

Not necessary, but you can always give it back if you dont like it.

(as long as you dont play over 2h and dont keep it longer than 2 weeks)

[bold sky]

ye ye i know

[mint obsidian]

My philosophy is neither and spend my time grinding for super credits and defending democracy 😇

[lyric timber]

Has anyone heard if APCs are going to be in the game?

[olive fjord]

theres already half tracks but they never get used as actual personnel carriers or anything
they're a spawn point

[unkempt oracle]

This is Vietnam, not WW2

[olive fjord]

oh wrong channel

lol

[lyric timber]

There are some milsim groups that use them as troop carriers. It’s actually pretty cool seeing tank columns with motorized infantry behind it

[worn lake]

Fun Trivia that I can't fact check: Russian AKs were allegedly often replaced by inferior copies when transported through China that the USSR ultimately leased the design to mitigate the theft.

Spare me history nerds but enlighten me if incorrect. 🥺

[mint obsidian]

Not totally wrong, I’d say, there’s probably a case of that

@worn lake Tbh the Chinese ak’s were actually quite good weapons for the price of production, original Russian ak-47’s really weren’t produced in extremely large numbers because they were expensive and “nice to Russian standards”, the majority of the ones you see today in modern wars are akms which is just a cheaper copy that is general more modern and better for mass production

[worn lake]

Aren't the Czech AKs amongst the best?

[mint obsidian]

I’m not sure about their standard ak variants but I know the Vz-58 (there sort of copyish but it’s quite a different system) isn’t terrible

It sure is ugly 😅

[worn lake]

I've always had a strange distaste for the AK Platform tbh.

[mint obsidian]

They definitely ain’t the prettiest but they are the most effective weapon ever produced

Cheap, reliable, decently equipped for about any environment

It’s absolutely insane the amount of variants that spawned from a single firearm and the impact they had on warfare

[worn lake]

Oh absolutely, it'll forever be iconic it's just not my preference. 😅

[mint obsidian]

Fair lol 😂

I like my Scar

https://tenor.com/otLS81QzvxD.gif

[fathom sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-shoot-fire-rifle-gif-15786255

[fathom sierra]

prolly cus nobody talks about the more modern ones like the 100 and 200 series

[mint obsidian]

Hence why the “Ak vs m4” debate is bs

You can’t compare a modern firearm to platform from the 1940’s lmao

Not the m16a1 and the ak-47, is a much fairer comparison

[maiden lichen]

Im gonna do it anyway :}

[fathom sierra]

why he bricked up

[fathom sierra]

respectfully, whatever

https://tenor.com/view/does-it-really-matter-earth-tiktok-funny-meme-gif-14926815534627171138

[trim nimbus]

M16A1 is better. I refuse to elaborate, just know that I am objectively correct.

[noble wing]

will arvn forces be in the game? or is it not known yet

[worn lake]

It's often lost in combat reports but the M16 simply has more aura.

https://tenor.com/view/guns-firing-shoot-scarface-tony-montana-gif-17483394

[worn lake]

Fair, but while I like the 101 and 103, I still don't really care for the overall shape I suppose.

But I'm also an AUG Fan so... 😅

[mint obsidian]

What a Aussie

[mint obsidian]

If your gonna take care of your gun and clean it, yes the m16 is better 😂

[worn lake]

Don't get me wrong, the AK-47 will forever be a staple, but so is the flintlock.

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-black-sails-blackbeard-epic-blackbeard-no-stopping-edward-teach-epic-gif-8229950430872165759

[mint obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonets-gettysburg-jeff-daniels-command-gif-5737524

[trim nimbus]

So, the M60 looks fantastic. I like how they actually got the sling swivel right. The slanted sling swivel mount wasn’t around until 1970. The vertical sling mount they’ve depicted in the new render is definitely correct for most of the Vietnam War era.

[weary sail]

Scream if you love sling swivels

[fathom sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-screaming-bird-ohio-ohio-meme-stan-twitter-gif-8544295570301920260

[vagrant rock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584475715836051456/1251609358752546928/Bird_snoring_meme.mp4?ex=691c16cc&is=691ac54c&hm=74d150266bdac38d4f430bcd29d03c206dafe7da474b8cbc913d63f47baf17fa&

[median turret]

For hll Vietnam are the battles gonna be strictly American or are there going to be battles that are after the “vietnamization” of the war in early to mid 1970s.

Since most Americans were pulled out by 1972-73 I’d still like to see some action by the arvn in the eastern offensive.

[maiden lichen]

The first trailer said 1965

[jade kayak]

We don't know much details beyond Americans and NVA for sure.

[median turret]

it would be nice if more factions were added, since this isnt just an american vs. vietnam war

[median turret]

it would be kinda sad if it was limited to 1965, I would love to see battles/offensives after that year such as hue, quang tri, tet offensive, khe sanh, etc.

[maiden lichen]

Im sure they are gonna expand for more content later on

Would be a fast if they dont

I seen the ironheart video about that with some good points

[median turret]

yeah, its a very complicated war anyways

[maiden lichen]

HLL started in late war and therefore when they added earlier maps they always had the wrong equipment and weapons

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/m60-m60machine-gun-m60machine-gun-gif-vietnam-vietnam-m60-gif-23142539

[jade kayak]

We have limited information right now

[trim nimbus]

So, was the trailer really released early by accident? That’s what I’ve heard.

[jade kayak]

I don't believe so?

You get early game teaser that is limited info.... that's normal

[trim nimbus]

Ah, okay.

Makes sense.

[mint obsidian]

eastern front laughs maniacally

They were just dead wrong on that one we have to be honest with ourselves

[fathom sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypsenow-horror-gif-4763006

[unkempt oracle]

It was released like 24hrs early.

[trim nimbus]

Ah, okay. I can’t wait until it comes out. Even though it’s still probably quite a ways away.

[maiden lichen]

Are we talking about the first trailer?

[trim nimbus]

There’s another one?

[maiden lichen]

-# Starts sweating

[maiden lichen]

Nah, there isnt I just feared there was another leak. 😅

My heart cant take another one of those

[trim nimbus]

Aw, damn. I got excited.

[winged scroll]

dino talks of the first trailer and gets everyone, including himself, excited about another leaked trailer

mods, ban him for misinformation

[unkempt oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320450047002939428/1407760880036348015/attachment.gif

[maiden lichen]

shoo

[fathom sierra]

well well well

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/crispy-rule14-rule14-no-politics-no-religion-gif-27090942

[fathom sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypsenow-horror-gif-4763006

[mint obsidian]

Yeah we all know the Cake political party is objectively the best

https://tenor.com/FR2kozzpog.gif

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/revolution-guillotine-marie-antoinette-off-with-their-heads-behead-gif-12604431

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-amy-santiago-who-wants-cake-cake-national-cake-day-gif-20175319

[trim nimbus]

What kind of cake are we talking about, here?

[desert rivet]

Your mom's cake

She is a really good baker

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-cake-dessert-thirteen-layer-chocolate-cake-tall-cake-food-gif-1186868366209357418

[trim nimbus]

My mom doesn’t really make cake, though. I’m usually the baker in my family.

[desert rivet]

Show me your cakes

Please

[trim nimbus]

I’ve only done cake once, and I don’t have a picture, but I do make a damn good French silk pie.

[desert rivet]

I'm going to be completely honest with you

I wouldn't eat that

[trim nimbus]

And I make some good banana bread.

[desert rivet]

It's burned

[trim nimbus]

It looks a lot better after it sets.

[desert rivet]

Yeah it does

[trim nimbus]

I also make chocolate chip cookies, sometimes.

[mint obsidian]

What cake do you think

I feel highly offended

[desert rivet]

That looks much more better

I would eat that👍

[desert rivet]

BIG FLOPPA'S SIGN OF APPROVAL™

[mint obsidian]

That’s a subject of another day

Cheesecake 😉

[trim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-cheesecake-shrek-eating-dessert-gif-2551933392469167055

[jade kayak]

Alright take it to offtopic

[fathom sierra]

which channel is this?

[lament elbow]

this is the hell let loose vietnam base camp, old sport

you're looking for the community off topic mess hall

#off-topic-mess-hall

[fathom sierra]

oh i do not have the role i see. i’ll change it thanks

[lament elbow]

no access? probably you just dont have it revealed

[jolly lance]

I BEG the devs to NOT add Creedence Clearwater Revival’s Fortunate Son as main menu like RS2 did I remember my game breaking but the audio was still working and I was stuck listening to it while trying to fix it for 30 minutes

[runic kraken]

Pretty sure the devs already said or implied they won’t be dealing with licensed music

[fathom sierra]

lame. anyways gonna be fun to have some random guy play it while we fly in

[sharp wyvern]

AI music 😎

[olive fjord]

Erm rs2s menu song is run through the jungle ☝️ 🤓

[dusky cedar]

Which is an outstanding tune and I used to sit and listen to it for an hour before loading in lmao

[trim nimbus]

Oh, I saw the Stevens Model 77E shotgun on Twitter. It looks great.

[delicate loom]

Have there been any talks or confirmations on the handguns that will be in the game?

[balmy osprey]

when we will be able to play early mid or late 2026?

can I stream other Vietnam war games on HLL stream channel?

[balmy osprey]

ai music, typical of you

HLL VN doesn't need ai music or Katy Perry like in arma conflict, idk what they will do with the music but there's like 1M Vietnam era songs free of copyright

[jade kayak]

Don't know yet.

[balmy osprey]

meanwhile I'm trying to revive RS2 custom server but nobody wants to play custom maps in rising storm 2 anymore don't know why

it's a long and hard waiting

20 years waiting for HLL VN since battlefield Vietnam

bad company 2 VN was a mini game, RS2 isn't complete game it's missing vehicles

[sharp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[balmy osprey]

hope they add real night maps and lanterns

[sharp wyvern]

Who needs HLL V when you got AR lol

[glossy lynx]

I need hll Vietnam because Vietnam games are fire and love Vietnam war era

[quiet smelt]

The night map experience:

istg hllv scares me because i'm 100% sure that the game will be poorly optimized, now imagine that on a map where you can barely see sht 😭😭😭

[rotund fossil]

night maps are so overrated

[glass rapids]

Ok

[quiet smelt]

some of them are good like the kursk one

or stalingrad if it didn't set my pc on fire

[stray tiger]

anyone recognize these polish army patches?

[balmy osprey]

because AC has 500mb of Katy Perry music in the game files for example

[sharp wyvern]

Uh no we do not, Katy Perry is copyrighted music idk where you getting tnat from, also sound files do not take up that much space I doubt any music mod would be over liek 80 mb if that

Also you almost certainly have to use AI or fake music as you either have to obtain commercial licensing for Copyright Vietnam eta music or you have to pay musical artists to compose soundtrack yourself

[balmy osprey]

there are like 1M copyright free vietnam war era music, apart from that is a mod nobody will complaint

ai music.. hope HLL nam dont make that aberration

[sharp wyvern]

Send em over and I’ll see if I can make it happen

[balmy osprey]

Roger

[trim nimbus]

Man, this game is gonna be so fun when it finally comes out. I hope they keep the combat lethal like regular HLL.

[ocean glacier]

How do you know? We haven't seen any gameplay yet. Everything that was shown was in-engine cinematics.

[trim nimbus]

Well, I enjoy Hell Let Loose. I assume that Hell Let Loose: Vietnam is going to be pretty similar, and I read an article from someone who play-tested it and so far what I’ve read sounds pretty good.

[balmy osprey]

it will going late 2026 sadly probably

[uneven quarry]

F r a n k W o o d s

[ocean glacier]

There's NDA on the playtest. Nobody is writing "articles" if they have played it. What you likely read was fluff some PC gaming company wrote that is usually done as advertisement. Also, HLL was made by BM. They sold that to T17 who now hires a contractor to make the game.

[near otter]

HLL and HLL:V are developed by Expression Games, which is a development studio set up by T17 and under the T17-umbrella, not an external team.

And yeah it's too early to really say anything meaningful about the game other than the concrete details T17 have provided thus far, which isn't a lot

[strange lodge]

someone mentioned it in another discord and it reminded me, why have the red crosses been changed to green even though there's historical precedent to accurately depict the way uniforms and equipment looked in the period the game took place? this would be covered under the first amendment and as per https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/1/21203414/activision-wins-humvee-call-of-duty-trademark-infringement-lawsuit i dont think they could be sued for it:

“If realism is an artistic goal, then the presence in modern warfare games of vehicles employed by actual militaries undoubtedly furthers that goal.”

not a single person has ever actually been sued by the red cross for this, let alone for using it in historical accuracy

[regal radish]

Simple response, they're not allowed to.

[strange lodge]

i literally just said why its covered under the first amendment lol

[regal radish]

The world isn't the US, the symbol is legally protected and not allowed to be used. It's as simple as that.

[strange lodge]

nobody has ever actually been sued over this

also as mentioned, it's historical accuracy

[regal radish]

Does not matter, Video games all use Green crosses now. That is pretty much the end of the discussion really.

[near otter]

Pretty sure studios have been warned (though I would have to look it up to confirm). Either way, the question really is, if you're unsure whether something is legal and/or you can get away with it, would you risk it?

[winged scroll]

i'm sure someone will get me one day and it doesnt stop me

[strange lodge]

theyve sent letters but have never actually done anything

[near otter]

I then wonder if that's because companies complied

[olive fjord]

might be something to consider than no one got sued because people have just complied with the request

[mint obsidian]

https://www.redcross.ca/about-us/about-the-canadian-red-cross/red-cross-emblem/it-may-just-be-a-game-to-you-but-it-means-the-world-to-us

That’s what I found

[rotund anvil]

BTR my beloved

[sharp wyvern]

Must not be very beloved cuz that is not a BTR 💀😭

[rotund anvil]

i am being funny ha ha

[sharp wyvern]

Aw bet bet

Yeah v100 superior

[vast spear]

#sit-reps what does that mean ? what's announced for tmrw ?

[maiden lichen]

Ben you little, just drops this teaser on my head.

[dusky cedar]

Hype train. Let’s go. Show us the goods

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-whisper-gif-10961099139137597528

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/baloney-barney-the-dinosaur-animaniacs-anvil-gif-19977995

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/all-aboard-train-choo-choo-express-locomotive-gif-20501901

[sharp wyvern]

I hate to break it to you but iss the same exact clip in the trailer here’s the teaser?

[maiden lichen]

Obviously, but a teaser mean they give us more tomorrow.

[sharp wyvern]

Oky I await ❤️

Iss prolly gonna be showing of the UH-1D slick model I imagine

[cedar moon]

That's cool and all but ps5 players still can't play HLL…
👀

[olive fjord]

horse update finally

[glossy dawn]

👀

[limber gust]

when vietnam coming out?

I'm waiting for it badly 😛

[glass rapids]

what will happen

[rough relic]

Do we know what time the announcement is ?

I don’t check here regularly sorry if been said

[jade kayak]

Most likely a trailer. Maybe with a date? Dunno

[rough relic]

https://youtu.be/5bwfPLwLwQk?si=flc0b5DDuL9ZLcA3 fire

[rain cedar]

Is there a way I can double wishlist this?

[rough relic]

Wish they had a release date lol

[rain cedar]

Yeah. But I'd rather it take longer than be rushed.

[vast spear]

If you can pilot the helicops im going to do this all day long

[sharp wyvern]

My favorite part was when the Huey came to a complete stop when it exploded

[fallen scroll]

I rewatched that moment 3 times 😄 it's not finished obviously 😄

[maiden lichen]

Funny how it cut away right after the hit :}

[sharp wyvern]

Naw I know how they be doing things iss gonna just stop and fal to the ground 😂

[maiden lichen]

I have slim hopes for the animations. 😅

But they confirmed a lot of stuff with the teaser trailer

[sharp wyvern]

Iss so surreal to watch the development of this while I run an Arma Reforger Vietnam server I’m gonna be curious to see what they choose to include and not include

They seem to be hitting on the obvious things to start tho

[spare flare]

the double barrel shotgun that no evidence suggested the communist used one in Vietnam

the K-50M coming with a drum mag that prevents the gun stock from being retracted

[sharp wyvern]

I think the reasoning is it was a common household defense weapon you some yards holding them in photos

[sharp wyvern]

Was it not a PPSH I saw?

[spare flare]

no that a K-50M

[sharp wyvern]

I gotta rewatch

[sharp wyvern]

I’ve never see a K50 with anytbing but a stick mag

[sharp wyvern]

Omg it is

[spare flare]

Also funny how they added a gun specifically designed for the VC

[sharp wyvern]

wtf

[spare flare]

to be used by the PAVN

and the PAVN apparently lacked weapon and had to use a double barrel shotgun

[sharp wyvern]

Idk why in the clip I thought it was an rpd

[spare flare]

instead of just using captured shotguns

[sharp wyvern]

I doubt they will go down the captured weapons route

It’s a slippery slope

Maybe like French stuff like the mat 49

But I doubt they’ll do anything american

[spare flare]

out of all the cool SMG the PAVN used like the recon's PM-63

or the unicorn Vz 61

they chose the gun the PAVN didnt use, and a very specific VC gun

[grizzled field]

Lets goo nam is here

[sharp wyvern]

And gave it a drum mag

Something I’ve never seen done

[spare flare]

well they did show it having a magazine

so i think there is probably a choice

but yeah the shotgun is just sooooo RS2 mistake lol

they better not name it IZH-54 like RS2

[sharp wyvern]

Oooo I see it yeah

[spare flare]

because that's a post war gun

[sharp wyvern]

At least the uniforms look good

[spare flare]

uniform inaccuracy is hard to spot if the characters doesnt stand still

and tbf unlike gun inaccuracy, people dont notice it that much

unless it is too blatant

I think Soulsniper did a good deep dive video

and interestingly he called the double barrel shotgun "Fusil Robust"

which I am very.... very confident I know exactly where he might have got the name from

because it is a French civilian market shotgun that no game feature whatsoever

and the entire lore of the gun came from an RS2 mod

[queen laurel]

Excited for the game, looks like an actual HLL sequel. One question, though: why is it so damn brown!?

[dusky cedar]

@plain lake

Do you folks have a closed alpha program of any sorts? Like an NDA style system for testers or whatever and if so where do you apply for that kinda thing?

[plain lake]

Info on testing will be announcing in the new year 🫡

[plain lake]

Assuming the team just were using the dawn/dusk lighting for the trailer is all 🙂

[glass rapids]

Cant wait

I hope there is testing on PlayStation as my PC probably can't run HLLV

[urban sequoia]

gotta admit that was a fire video right there

[urban trout]

What is that PPSh-ish looking thing in the trailer? It looks like K-50M but has peep sights for some reason and a drum mag that won't fit in real life.

[urban sequoia]

can't wait especially after Smolensk's great map design I am thinking with this line of map making this game could truly be great and so far weapons on time period point and mortars love it

[urban sequoia]

some later ppsh models have a peep sight

[urban trout]

I never saw one but even if that is the case this has shorter barrel and sliding stock. It is meant to be K-50M it seems, which it clearly is not

[urban trout]

Do you have a picture of PPSh41 peep sights? I am not aware of it's existance

Ok looking more into it I am pretty sure this gun does not exist. Either they modelled it very incorrectly or it is made up.

[urban sequoia]

yes turns out its done so much in games it has become the standard sight in video games the weapons i was thinking of are primarily later cold war guns from combloc countries

china made several versions later that had all sorts of sights but not soviet ones

[urban trout]

Even if I ignore the peep sights the K50M can not take drum mags

[urban sequoia]

yeah but Vietnam excepted weapons from a variety of combloc countries which made all types of weird adaptations to weapons so I suppose ill give it a pass

[urban trout]

They probably modelled it based on this:
But this is the only picture in this configuration I was able to find so I am still skeptical of it's existence

[olive fjord]

I think the k50 could fit a drum mag, its just it would block the stock from sliding in

it can fit ppsh magazines im pretty sure so its possibly it could be done, probably just never was

[urban trout]

Forgotten weapons said they can't use drum mags. As every other source I checked.

[olive fjord]

ahh

maybe not then

its like they wanted to put the ppsh 41 in the game but not use the ppsh41

[urban trout]

I get that K50M might seem more interesting but I would rather see one or the other, not some weird hybrid.

Or both. Like Rising Storm 2

[fallen scroll]

Didn't they say it will be based on weapons from some museum?

[urban trout]

I don't know. If they did see this gun it is possible they found some field modification but it definitely is not standard K-50M.

[olive fjord]

royal armouries museum

[urban trout]

Ok I don't know what happened here then. Maybe someone modified K50M to have peep sights and take drum mags? If that is the case it is still extremely weird to put it into the game rather than standard K50M.

[olive fjord]

yeah no drum mag here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvGivhjVUAA

You'd have to consultjonathan ferguson (tkofaaatraminuk)

[urban trout]

I noticed though that in that video that gun indeed has peep sights. Ok so it seems that some of them had them.

However Jonathan mentions in that video that it indeed can't take drums

So probably they took some variant of K50M that had peep sights and assumed it can take drums

[olive fjord]

could very easily be that not every k50 is made the same, crudely put together in a north vietnamese factory or workshop so there may be some differences

ones taking drums could even be some rare modification for all we know
but HLL should definitely represent the standard more than the exception

[urban trout]

When it comes to sights, sure. But I don't think they would be different in which magazines they can take.

[trim nimbus]

I mean, if it’s an old hunting shotgun that belonged to some French guy and got left behind after they left and was found by the PAVN and repurposed, I could see it. Still seems far-fetched for a conventional military force like the PAVN, though.

[sharp wyvern]

I’ve never in my life see a ka50 used with drum

Seems impractical

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, the K-50M with a drum mag was weird, and I’d also prefer if it had a stick mag. Since it was basically just a modified PPSH, I could see it being within the realm of possibility, but I can’t imagine it was a common practice.

Everything I’m reading says it’s technically possible to use a drum, but it keeps the stock from retracting, so they probably weren’t used much. I guess it makes sense if you’re expecting to not be in a situation where you’ll have to retract the stock, but yeah, stick mag would definitely have been a better choice.

[urban trout]

Really? I've heard they literally can not take drums.

Except for Modern Firearms

[trim nimbus]

The Forgotten Weapons video says that it can take drum mags, depending on fitting, but they were issued with stick mags.

[urban trout]

I stand corrected then. Still given that I would say they should put stick mag into the game instead of the drum.

[trim nimbus]

Drum mag and possible double barrel shotgun faux paus aside, the trailer looked awesome, and I’m definitely looking forward to more.

Also, we’re getting dragging wounded allies and BAYONETS!

[urban trout]

stabby stabby

[spare flare]

the K50M has peep sight because the Type 50 used peep sight

and the K50M is modified from the Type 50

still a weird choice because it a VC gun

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-krieg-gif-17840354670449064247

[urban trout]

I saw some with open sights. Maybe some were converted from Soviet guns?

[spare flare]

yeah pretty much

[trim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonets-crazy-knife-gif-25291189

[spare flare]

still between that and the PM-63 used by PAVN recon

a missed opportunity

[remote verge]

still got the m203 🤦‍♂️

and this certainly does not look like late war

truly some of the historical advisors of all time

[urban trout]

Wait their M16s have 203s?

[spare flare]

I mean 1965 is probably just some date give or take

they had T-54 which didnt appear until 1972

at this point they could totally add Mi-4 helicopter for the PAVN

[urban trout]

I don't think they care about these things. Hell let Loose has Stg44s, G43s and IS-1 in Stalingrad...
So it's clear they don't give a damn about the timeline

[spare flare]

because it isnt like history is in the consideration

[remote verge]

yep

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, they need to replace the M203 with the XM-148 and the T54 with the PT-76.

[remote verge]

i thought it was the xm148 for a sec but nah

[spare flare]

they did get gifted a couple of BRNO 12 gauge shotguns from the Czech

but probably only for high ranking official

kinda like the M30 Drilling level of rare

[remote verge]

when my historical research consists of full metal jacket and tropic thunder:

[urban trout]

Frankly I am not sure if US army should have underbarrel grenade launchers at all. It was all pretty much experimental back then.

[remote verge]

yeah i thought the xm148 was kinda pushing it

[spare flare]

they did have XM148 at the time

[remote verge]

since that locks in the 1967 timeline afaik

[spare flare]

and the early M16 have rifle grenade adapter

give or take

[urban trout]

Sure but how many?

[remote verge]

still the m79 is a way safer choice

[spare flare]

well the earliest issued one is in September 1966

about 20.000 was tested in 1967

so that's actually a fairly common gun

[trim nimbus]

I mean, even if they used the PT-76, I thought that before 1971 the only time the NVA even used tanks was at the siege of Lang Vei in 1968 and Ben Het in 1968.

[spare flare]

I mean in comparision, only 10000 ish K50M was ever made

so XM148 is actually twice more common

[desert rivet]

They used band of brothers for HLL and worked

[remote verge]

thats different

[spare flare]

yeah at the end of the day only nerds like us cared about history

[remote verge]

since actual research went into that production i believe

[spare flare]

devs dont

[remote verge]

is this supposed to be a jfak or shotgun ammo pouch lmao

[spare flare]

"historical accurate" is a selling feature

they dont really mean it is 100% accurate

they mean it is believable if u think hypothetically

[remote verge]

being inaccurate should be shamed upon

im surprised it isnt really

there is so much information out there, taking the lazy route isnt it

then you get misinformation that fucks everything up later down the road

[urban trout]

Again Stg44 in Stalingrad... that is about as ridiculous as putting AK47 into the siege of Berlin.

[remote verge]

thats true

[spare flare]

well for Vietnam there are a lot more gun choices

so the decision is kinda weird I agree

[remote verge]

but then theyd need to lock certain weapons to certains maps etc, which they very clearly have no interest doing

you also get dudes running full "winter" gear in normandy

[spare flare]

I mean the US had 2 grenade launcher choices

[urban trout]

It's sad because Rising Storm 2 did that and it felt amazing. In the campaign Vietnamese did not have AKM until later and the US was using M14s for first few years

[spare flare]

the M79 and the M16 M203

so what the PAVN gonna get equally ?

I guess Kbkg wz 60 >

but then what the other choice ?

if the double barrel shotgun is just for balance with the pump action shotgun

then it is a worse counter part because u only get 2 shots

and the Kbkg wz 60 might be equal to the M203

but not as fast firing as the M79

At least the good new is the PAVN did have flamethrower from the trailer

so it kinda equals out i guess

[urban trout]

FN 49 would also do the trick

Can launch grenades too

[spare flare]

that would basically copy RS2 dont u think

like no reasearch, just do what RS2 do but without time locking

[mint obsidian]

I’m not sure why else it would be included besides balance

[urban trout]

In RS2 they do not use grenade launchers on FN49 as far as I know

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the MAS49 did have grenade launcher in RS2

[urban trout]

I guess I missed that then

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it actually kinda OP

like a knee mortar

[mint obsidian]

In rs2 it seemed to be pretty balanced, I honestly preferred it

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but yeah the Vietnamese had no under barrel grenade launcher during the war

only rifle grenades

uness somehow the GP-25 time travelled back a decade

[random trellis]

What is this? Some kind of hell, let loose on vietnam? Haha right guys

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that is because of the slug, but the pump action shotgun has more ammo and also 1-shot peep

[mint obsidian]

You could do slug in both those guns though?

I usually only used buck

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The way RS2 balanced it out was to have the Double barrel shotgun the ability to switch to buck yeah

u just dont need to aim

just shoot and easily get a headshot at 100m with the buck

[mint obsidian]

Oooh

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kind of a low skill wonder gun

[mint obsidian]

It was fun as crap 😂

[mint obsidian]

They could slow the pump shotguns rechamber speed down for hllv, so then both are on opposites sides where one has a fast firing rate but only two ammo, and the other is slower but has more ammo

If that makes sense lol

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yeah it just a balance thingy

but the M79 gonna be hella OP tho

because the other side doesnt have anything like that