base-camp

[fathom shoal]

and no one will abuse that system

[young crystal]

?

it plays that music instead for YOUR game

not as some weird soundboard

[fathom shoal]

yk there’s gonna be those tiktok’s playing some interesting stuff

free advertisement

[young crystal]

if people want to spam their music to others, let them do prox chat and have a soundboard set up 😄

also hi smoggless

[fathom shoal]

hi bergw

this is a very silly conversation

[young crystal]

it is!

[fathom shoal]

I know we haven’t seen anything as of yet, but I would like to ask you a pretty generic question.

[young crystal]

hm?

[fathom shoal]

Do you foresee competitive teams growing in this game despite it being asymmetric in nature?

[young crystal]

"in this game" aka hllV?

or hll expanding its comp scene?

[fathom shoal]

In Vietnam, yes.

[young crystal]

eeeh I'm bad at judging this, since I have nearly no experience with Vietnam games.

[fathom shoal]

I know there’s many factors that we haven’t seen at play, but just generically. And that’s fair.

[young crystal]

therefore also 0 knowledge if people do comp in that setting

normally you'd want somehow equal terms, or at least some level of "we dont get X, but we get Y" - or you could always ban X for comp matches

but with vietnam...no idea

[fathom shoal]

Yeah, that’s what I was wondering.

[young crystal]

I played 3.1hours of RS2:Vietnam - and thats all my experience with Vietnam games

[fathom shoal]

Maybe we’ll see the rise of faction dependent teams where they focus on one side and combat teams of the other. But this is definitely a weird way of doing it.

[young crystal]

will also be important what the loadouts are

if the only "major difference" would be for example tunnels/helicopters...people could just not use both and just go for equal firefights

but we'll see how it goes with HLL V

...HLL V still sounds like an energy drink

[fathom shoal]

Yeah, also fair. I know there’s many things that would make or break this rather don’t know.

[young crystal]

[fathom shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/botb-bring-out-the-beast-shark-shark-energy-shark-energy-drink-gif-24895233

Ben should be taking notes

The in-game clan support system might be the new “comp” for this game if all else fails.

[young crystal]

eh

only works if theres an interest for comp in vietnam

which could very well exist - again, cant judge it 😄

[fathom shoal]

We’ll always have HLL WW2 I suppose

Will you be playing this game (assuming it’s playable)

[young crystal]

I mean...I think theres masses of ARMA3 Vietnam RP people out there...so maybe theres also a Vietnam Comp Scene

oh I'll definetly check it out

Curious about the boats

[fathom shoal]

Will I see Berg in Vietnam streams and vids?

[young crystal]

probably, aye

[fathom shoal]

Patrol Berg Riverine

PBR

[young crystal]

[fathom shoal]

I know for sure I’ll be doing Helis like I did in my squad days (before ICO)

[young crystal]

I did Helis in BF

I was awful with those

so instead, I shot them down

[fathom shoal]

Fair strat

If you can’t be one, destroy one

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-war-vietnam-war-gif-22340660

[young crystal]

big badaboom!

[fathom shoal]

Next year will be the year of Berg, that’s my prediction

[young crystal]

eh, we'll see 😄

[fathom shoal]

I really hope napalm and maybe flamethrowers actually affect the environment. Otherwise there’d be no point.

[mint obsidian]

Hmm

[limpid sand]

Can’t you get timed out for showing leaks?

Also Veitnam is actually getting a sound track?

[balmy osprey]

is a true leak

as far I know

ut all these music could be cut from the game because is taken from pre Alpha

and copyright can change

for sure I ismgine at least 5 songs per side

[limpid sand]

Weird

It’ll be interesting to see the game with actual music this time instead of just the menu

[past sequoia]

Is there any news on whether it will be possible to pre-order like when they released Hell Let Loose?

[weary sail]

Ben has confirmed privately that it is not legitimate, but I have removed it to not spark any baseless conversation

[olive fjord]

What was it

Someone post it again so I can see

[neon cedar]

License plate

[fathom shoal]

What ‘twas it drew?

[near otter]

'Nam soundtrack

[olive fjord]

easiest thing to fake ever idk why ppl fell for it

[rotund anvil]

Idk man, people fell for mask mandates and lockdown

[olive fjord]

🤨

[quasi pebble]

[vernal viper]

Well I mean helicopters are going to be an issue for comp by that logic, no? One team has them, the other doesn't. To me it seems like the best solution is to just have comp matches consist of two games, with the teams switching teams for the second game. That way both teams get to play both factions on the same map with the same points. Does that not solve the issue? Seems a much more reasonable solution than just don't give the US faction helicopters, which literally anyone who doesn't play competitively would be super disappointed with. I hope nobody is seriously suggesting this.

[fathom shoal]

Maybe the win conditions change. How fast can the Americans destroy the Vietnamese, the one who survives longer wins.

There’s also 4 new gamemodes we don’t know yet, which could be suitable for comp play. There’s definitely too many factors at play currently, let’s see what the future permits.

[winged scroll]

I foresee that helis will be very difficult to balance if they keep the maps samish size. Or then AA guns will be useless if the sky has to be covered in trees to give helis a chance

unless there's a simple enough way to locate and mortar the AA guns in turn...

damn, is camping AA going to be the recon loop meta of hllv

[fathom shoal]

I’m sure AA will be an installation/buildable

Or handheld

[young crystal]

With 90 Minute Matches, playing twice would mean 180 minutes per evening. 3+ Hours would be too long 😄
And no, nobody suggested removing helicopters from the US. 😄

I'm unfamiliar with the era/conflict, so: stuff like personal AA isnt a thing yet, right?

[fathom shoal]

It is

[young crystal]

oh?

[fathom shoal]

they have self guided rockets

but uncommon

[young crystal]

ah, so same as Fliegerfaust

less likely to see it 😄

[fathom shoal]

also yk, MGs and stuff, they had AA in WW2 Berg!

[young crystal]

Personal AA?

[fathom shoal]

An MG is personal

[young crystal]

dont think many MGs were used to take down planes.

[fathom shoal]

yeah..

[young crystal]

angle seems tricky

unless its a DShK

[fathom shoal]

but they still tried

[young crystal]

yeh

nevermind, dshk not really a personal thing and more of a crew thing to roll around

but yeah, I guess regular AA will do the trick

[winged scroll]

In 1965?

[fathom shoal]

1965 - 1972

That trailer was misleading

[young crystal]

unless you can only build it in certain spots, since you cant see the sky elsewise due to foliage.
Then those spots will just get bombed from afar

[winged scroll]

Was there anything before Strela-2?

[fathom shoal]

We’ll see how the AA dynamic works, people will be RPG sniping too

[young crystal]

I mean its like a HLL trailer that wrote out: 1939 and then showing the border to poland

[fathom shoal]

No self guided, but they had vehicles and stuff

[young crystal]

I mean against helicopters, every rifle will be helpful when you can aim

helicopter gun-turrets will also help old HLL

then can see, how long people stay alive on moveable, open turrents

maybe people will finally get their "tank mounted MG spots" on shermans and such

[fathom shoal]

I mean it’s pretty hard to shoot when they’re moving quick

tanks tend to sit, helicopters are always moving

[young crystal]

if they are moving quick, they'll have trouble shooting

[winged scroll]

Hopefully the shooting will be a bit harder in hllv and more like RS2. It's going to be painful for helis if the shooting is as easy as in HLL, I think

[young crystal]

distance will also be a point

the further away you are, the easier it'll be to keep aiming while the heli is moving - for both ground and helicopter units

[fathom shoal]

Not really an issue in squad, just circle the point

[young crystal]

sounds like it would be easy to shoot back then

[fathom shoal]

Im used to squad flying and back when you could aim it was still hard to hit the gunners

[young crystal]

if the enemy keeps staying in an orbit

[fathom shoal]

sure it happened on occasion but it’s still not common

[young crystal]

depends probably also on how much foliage there is

as in tree-based foliage

[fathom shoal]

Helicopters are very OP

in most games

but we’ll see

[young crystal]

and tunnel warfare?

[winged scroll]

oh, now im very interested to know how high you can fly. let the commander use his binocs while up there too

[serene obsidian]

Would you guys like to see music on radios in HLLV to a more dramatized movie extent or little to no music?

[young crystal]

probably little to none, since theres not really much use for longer music

not like you'll fly for 4-6 minutes while doing nothing

mmh gotta see how helicopters are gonna be used in HLLV

[neon cedar]

Yes

It was used in helis so nothing wrong with it

[young crystal]

I think we would need to see how helicopters are being used in HLLV. since they partially are for attacking, scouting but also for troop movement.

if a helicopter ride is just 10 seconds long, then I dont need to hear the same 10s of generic music again 😄

[neon cedar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kjD5qJTLTFQ?si=CUkXCU_zYHK2grWB

[young crystal]

on the other side, if those helicopter players do nothing but transport people over and over...a regular long track would work

[neon cedar]

Its a cool feature

[young crystal]

whats a cool feature?

[neon cedar]

It’s first time moving on sky warfare HLL

helicopters rideable

[young crystal]

I said three things 😄

aaah helicopters overall

yeah gonna be interesting

[neon cedar]

I’m reading, have to translate it and analise text

[neon cedar]

Scouting is also cool feature! 😅

It’s Vietnam, so it’s mountains area ⛰️

[jaunty mural]

So do know any details on these tunnels. Like are they actual tunnels or magic spawn portals

[neon cedar]

Yeah it’s also cool

[young crystal]

seems they are actual tunnels?

at least I remember some text about them being buildable

I guess full confirmation is something for #1407789105768698007 unless I missed it

[neon cedar]

So I expect traps in those tunnels

Setting up as engineer for example those bamboo things on entrances

[neon cedar]

Would have the other side access to those tunnels?

[young crystal]

no idea

[runic kraken]

People still think there will be physical tunnels lmao

[neon cedar]

It wasn’t mentioned that tunnels would be accessible or not for both sides

Cause seems like it’s like garrison system)

[runic kraken]

Bet on it being a spawn network

[neon cedar]

If it’s garrison system so in that point the other side could have less access or cause Vietnamese would dig them or use

[neon cedar]

MG gun on Helicopter

[neon cedar]

Seems much, in trailer it were a lot of foliage, and check this video. It’s demonstration of UE 5 graphics and pretty close environment which looks like Vietnam or could be as Vietnam 😊

[neon cedar]

This video is demonstration of abilities UE5

It’s hyper realism graphics would be in UE5, in HLL we see cool graphics and visuals, but on UE5 it’s better lighting, better visuals

I’ve played UE5 game and it is pretty you have graphics like in real life

And sometimes forget about that it’s game, so realistically

UE5 by default has cool graphics

On consoles it would be cool also

On YT it looks in just little bit worse quality the graphics, in real, it’s more better than on YT

YT compress the quality and videos

[wraith edge]

does anyone know where the new game will be set

thanks, thought so, wasnt sure

[neon cedar]

https://youtu.be/noxmZ03WxDY?si=QYjps3r-4CaW_EkP look at 35 seconds! Wow! It’s water wet effect on metal

It’s cool feature

It would be wet when it’s water or rain metal things etc

And it looks cool in game

0:42 - soldier falling down and foliage has deformation

All shadows from foliage would play with the environment and lighting and it would looks cool

In game it would be cool on UE5 I know it already cause I’ve seen UE5 and know what it is

It’s definitely better so HLL original if would be moved to UE5 would be also cool

I’ve played game on Unreal Engine 5 and it was hyper realism

[young crystal]

Gameplay starts at 1:08

[neon cedar]

Yes it would be separate video with gameplay of course

Always comes trailers and some gameplay videos

[fathom shoal]

I’m sure tunnels will be part of maps

[fathom shoal]

bruh 😂

[maiden lichen]

I dont believe it until I see it.

Now I really feel like pinging Ben over it. :}

[fathom shoal]

I won’t feel bad pinging ben though..

@plain lake

unless i become moderator

[maiden lichen]

Once im not doing a small "/s" or "im joking" under my comment... 😭

Poor Ben

[vernal viper]

Wimps! Lol

[young crystal]

People also watch the matches afterwards, + 30mins/1 hour prior you meet up. That would be 7 hours 😄

[vernal viper]

Wimps!

I play 7 hours for the pure love of the game!

[young crystal]

😄

[celest spire]

who else is gonna disappear from society tomorrow when silksong comes out?

https://tenor.com/view/weapon-hornet-hollow-knight-silksong-attack-gif-17318866

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hornet-hollow-knight-glide-hornet-glide-gif-18442277835215129777

[near otter]

I was playing HK earlier today (haven't fully completed it yet) and then ran into this guy

Saving him for another time

[celest spire]

oh ur doing the dlc nice

[near otter]

Well I was 😄

[celest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-1317513878955975206

[balmy osprey]

this is our GTA 6 boys

we're waiting this since 2010

[abstract kraken]

Oh no. Not another reddit page. That platform is a lost cause 🤣

[rotund anvil]

Reddit?
Excuse me, but I haven't read it.

[twilit slate]

Reddit sucks, it killed Internet forums

[fathom shoal]

I hate having to twiddle my thumbs wondering what kind of stuff is coming. The anticipation of information is real. Although I still want a surprise when it releases, a good one at that.

[trim nimbus]

I know that feeling. I’m just waiting for literally any news at all. We’re probably a long way from getting anything substantial, but damn do I want some news.

[trim nimbus]

Either way, when the game comes out, it’s gonna go HARD. I won’t leave my house for weeks.

[fathom shoal]

Not sure how appreciative my GF will be when it’s out, but we’ll see. 🙃

[celest spire]

silksong is peak boys n girls

[mint obsidian]

Was looking back at the trailer, am I tripping or is that a m2 carbine?

[sharp wyvern]

Could be M2 or just M14 I wanna say
that guys wearing a flak so maybe a marine with m55 flak and m14

[limpid sand]

Yea, looks like an M14 to me

Pretty hard to dechiper through

[celest spire]

Either an m1 or m2 carbine 100%

Wait actually nvm its an m14

[vagrant echo]

I hope the M14 handles like the M1 garand in WW2

[mint obsidian]

Yeah idk, the magazine doesn’t look right for a m14 but it could be the angle and the hand in the way that’s making it look thinner

[fathom shoal]

That’s definitely an M2 Carbine barrel and mag. Definitely not an M14.

Actually, it could be an M14

I don’t know if i’m looking at background foliage or the gun

It’s a gun of some variety

[mint obsidian]

I’ll just hope it’s a m2 carbine 🥲

[fathom shoal]

It’s an M14 I think, the break is too far back

[mint obsidian]

@fathom shoal Yeah idk that front flash hider looks really close to the photo but it’s a toss up at this point, without being able to see if the mags turned or it is that slime

The m14 also has almost the exact same though and at that resolution you can’t tell the fronts apart

[sharp wyvern]

I feel like I’m the image I can almost see the lines on the top of the m14

[vagrant echo]

Its an M14. you can just about make out the aperture sight adjustment on either side which the M1 and M2 carbines didnt have

[vagrant echo]

not sure what that flash hider is but the M2 carbine doesnt have it as standard

both weapons will be in the game though, M2 would be fun. i really liked the M1A1 carbine in WW2 HLL

[trim nimbus]

So, what kind of helicopters do you think the game will have? Obviously they’ll have Hueys, but I’d also like to see the CH-47 Chinook (or CH-46 Sea Knight), for carrying even more troops, as well as the OH-6 Loach and AH-1 Cobra.

[jade kayak]

Don't know yet.

[fathom shoal]

We’re thinking here; so we don’t have to know.

https://tenor.com/view/get-wrecked-kid-basically-homeless-gaming-get-wrecked-dont-mess-with-me-gif-20063438

[fathom shoal]

Those are my hopes! I really really want CAS. Gunships and Cobras would be really fun to use and shoot down.

[trim nimbus]

Yeah. I think Hueys and Chinooks/Sea Knights could double troop transport and carrying supplies.

[fathom shoal]

Possibly slinging vehicles too! 🤞

[jaunty belfry]

https://youtube.com/shorts/e_cNxExXljI?si=XqyifQiWq3T4tJCd

[rotund anvil]

Literal npcs

[jaunty belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

Y'all got any more of that gameplay?

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

[maiden lichen]

noooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/patience-patience-little-dear-patience-my-dear-wonka-willy-wonka-gif-14144986164809211735

[jaunty belfry]

What's the orange name mean? Are you a mod or dev

[maiden lichen]

Mod

[jaunty belfry]

Ah

[maiden lichen]

I now if something happens, but sadly nothing new happend yet

Sooooooooo we all gotta wait

[jaunty belfry]

Lol

Im playing HLL just imagining what its gonna be like

I cant wait to get my hands on thst ithaca

Hope they keep that glorious headshot sound with the helmet flip

[fathom shoal]

I need that m6 7 🤚 ✋ recoilless rifle

[jaunty belfry]

This is gonna be my goty for sure

[jaunty belfry]

hope they add some voice lines

like in rs2v people randomly say things it adds to the frantic nature of war

when somebody screams "somebody help me!" desperately

[jaunty belfry]

Love the screams. And the ragdolls. The way his head bounces off the ground as if it has weight to it

Im gonna be tearing it up with that ithaca boooooiiiiiiiiiiii

Can't wait for some night time jungle warfare

hope theres more dynamic dismemberment. like itd be cool if you coupd shoot a guys leg off and he ragdolls and grabs his stump

and tries to crawl away before dying

[gaunt lark]

U are geeked bro

[fathom shoal]

only if it’s toggleable!

[jaunty belfry]

Why you don't like random chatter?

[jaunty belfry]

Working on my flick shots

[fathom shoal]

command chat and that would be a mess

[jaunty belfry]

Oh true

Maybe that's why there isnt any

[fathom shoal]

Hmm.. who woulda thought!

We do have mics for a reason dawg.

I wouldn’t be entirely opposed to voice lines, but it seems like such a waste of time

[jaunty belfry]

Why it adds life to the characters

You ever played rs2v?

[fathom shoal]

Yes.

It’s just unnecessary chatter

[jaunty belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/enorym-pssh-gif-21051436

[fathom shoal]

Man just wake Ben up and tell him what u want

[jaunty belfry]

Whos ben

[fathom shoal]

he might think it’s a good idea

the community manager of this game

[jaunty belfry]

Nah i could see how it could get in the way of communicating

As long as they scream on death I'll be fine lol

[fathom shoal]

That they should

I just really hope the ambience on these maps are top tier

[jaunty belfry]

Yea true

[fathom shoal]

like you hear bugs and stuff when you’re in the jungle but when you get to an area sprayed with agent orange or napalmed it goes dead silent with embers and stuff

[jaunty belfry]

Would be sick

[fathom shoal]

and hopefully foliage rustles around when you walk through it

like moves a bit and also makes noise

[jaunty belfry]

Yea that seems like a nessecity

[fathom shoal]

vietnamese would be able to do it quieter and stuff

[jaunty belfry]

I cant wait to see those customizables

[fathom shoal]

Well we’ll see

[winged scroll]

HLL had them in alpha, maybe even beta

[fathom shoal]

So it was indeed a waste of time

[winged scroll]

Maybe. Or they just scrapped them because of the extra work required, like how wounded players were animated to grasp their wounds too

[fathom shoal]

So they at least thought it was a waste of time

[fathom shoal]

Hello my fellow compatriots and communists!

[jaunty belfry]

I am but a humble rice farmer

[fathom shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-çaroule-bali-ubud-rizière-gif-13897982

[neon cedar]

Vietnamese farmer 🧑‍🌾 👩‍🌾 worked on the garden and accidentally he is became combatant 😃😅

[balmy osprey]

if I stream in discord with my mic off but sharing my screen, in theory it should only sounds the internal pc sounds of the game, but is the microphone activated the same?

[fathom shoal]

There’s no difference, I could just mute you and then hear the same thing.

Hope they add more than just the NVA. The VC would be great to have eventually.

[young crystal]

so far seems to be limited to two factions - lets see what the future holds

[fathom shoal]

ARVN and ANZAC eventually too. 🤞

Maybe even Thai and South Korean forces. 😅

[mint obsidian]

South Koreans should def be added, it’s basically copy and paste from hell let loose

With the addition of like the m14e2 and m2 carbine

[fathom shoal]

Which should also be copy pastas

Even though there’s only two viable options for the North’s factions, the NVA and VC, similar to HLL: WW2’s singular Axis faction, the amount of potential diversity in the Northern factions’ weapons could make for a very interesting dynamic.

[fathom shoal]

German, Japanese, French, British, Chinese, Soviet, home-made, and Southern captured weapons are all on the table for them.

[mint obsidian]

Pretty much

I really hope we end up getting the m2 and m14e2 anyways

[jaunty belfry]

australians

although I hate their weapons with a passion

[mint obsidian]

The l1a1 and Owen gun are absolute bangers

[jaunty belfry]

Terrible

I hate the designs

[mint obsidian]

You don’t like… the FAL?

[jaunty belfry]

Nope

But they should be included

[mint obsidian]

I will immensely judge you from a far 👀😂

[fathom shoal]

The FAL is my childhood

[vagrant echo]

They have ruled out VC already because “Hell Let Loose is about nations armies, not guerrilla groups”

[limpid sand]

Then why tf did they do Vietnam haha

Half of the enemy combatants in Vietnam was the VC

They should have done Korea

[vagrant echo]

Dont know, its in one of the QAs tho

[maiden lichen]

Dont make me get another counter.

[fathom shoal]

Yeah I saw that, times can always change. They just need to relabel them as a homeland defender ground and it’ll be fine and dandy

[dusky spindle]

any news? 👀

[jaunty belfry]

That's silly

Just give me the cosmetics

Rice hat

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-wtf-is-going-on-cat-hat-catincar-gif-13734765063352086901

[jaunty belfry]

1 day closer to HLLV

I'm gonna be bouncin buckshot off your pith helmets

[worn lake]

Howdy 🤠

[trim nimbus]

If the M16A1 actually does proper damage in this game, by God, I am gonna tear up some commies.

Team 17, please let the M16 1HK out to at least 100m, I need this

[maiden lichen]

100m is a fair range for a one hit kill.

I cant see a reason to make it less...

[fathom shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/howdyfeller-howdy-feller-howdy-sam-elliot-sam-elliot-howdy-gif-1691153279806890689

[celest spire]

tbh i dont think any assault rifle in the game should 1 shot except the head

0 - 100m it should be 2 shots and past that it would be 3 and then 4

[twilit slate]

Really depends on their ballistic model and recoil/sway/accuracy system.

4 shots is absurd IMO

Honestly Rising Storm 2 does fine with lethality. Or Squad. And those games have automatics.

[olive fjord]

RS2 does it very well because guns actually have interesting recoil mechanics thats not just a straight vertical line and actual damage models

[runic kraken]

Neither of those games are as brain dead simplistic as hll’s shooting or weapon damage model.
Automatic rifles one shotting up to 100m is absurdly stupid. Semi and bolt Rifles oneshotting to 200m is stupid.
They need to reduce damage output across all weapon types.

[trim nimbus]

Nah, you know what? I think gunfights in this game should be more lethal. Pistols should 1HK out to 10m. SMGs out to 20. Anything firing an intermediate cartridge (5.56 or 7.62x39) 1HK to 200m. Full sized rifle rounds (7.62 NATO, 7.62R, etc.) out to 500.

[olive fjord]

I mean more lethality would be good but they need to actually make the guns not lasers

[trim nimbus]

Well, yeah, but, to be fair, the M16 does have a pretty light recoil.

[olive fjord]

thats where RS2 does it good since bullets come out of the barrel so if you spam fire a lot the bullets will still be off centre even if the vertical recoil isnt much since the barrel still moves with each shot

also it only has 18 round magazines so full auto is a great way to waste ammo

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, I think the advantages and disadvantages between the M16 and AK in them game shouldn’t come down to damage. I think they should both 1HK out to at least 100m. I think the trade off should be more that the M16 is more accurate and has lighter recoil, but has a smaller magazine capacity and higher rate of fire (which is as much of a disadvantage as it is an advantage when considering magazine size) and isn’t that great at barrier penetration. The AK, meanwhile, has a bigger magazine capacity and better barrier penetration, but more recoil and is a bit less accurate at longer ranges.

[olive fjord]

yep

pretty much how it is in rs2 though full auto with the m16 is a bit of a trap due to the ammo and the fast fire rate does give it a kick. AK however is pretty good for full auto and definitely packs a punch

favourite gunplay in any game

[vagrant echo]

you do know that its a bit acedemic right? Getting hit with 5.56 is just as bad as being hit with 7.62, at least as far as incapacitating goes

[vagrant echo]

all 30 calibre rifle cartridge weapons should be a one hit kill.

[runic kraken]

If you want a dull shooter game, keep it as it is like in hll.
If you want interactive firefights, that aren’t just one-and-done instances, damage has to be decreased to allow more nuance in how you fight eachother

[vagrant echo]

what nuance are you even going to add with that though? Semi autos will always beat a bolt action because a fire fight will come down to DPS and follow up shots so like good luck

[trim nimbus]

I’ve heard the M16 in RS2 takes at least 2-3 hits to kill, though. I just personally think that it should also be capable of a 1HK to the torso within 100m. Realistically, even though 5.56 is a smaller cartridge, it’s still incredibly lethal within its effective range. Especially in Vietnam. Due to how light the cartridge was, it had a tendency to yaw and fragment inside the body, causing a larger permanent wound channel as well as many secondary wound channels, which are even harder to patch up. It gets even worse if you hit bone. And then there’s the (admittedly contested) hydrostatic shock theory. The gist of it is that a light, high velocity bullet will create a hydraulic wave when it strikes soft tissue, which radiates through the body and causes neurological disruption or even collapse, even if a vital organ is not hit.

[olive fjord]

depends where you hit rs2 has a very detailed player damage model for example other than headshots there are heart and spine shots that also one hit kill

pistols are very good at cqc in rs2 because they can one shot like anything else if you hit the right spots

[runic kraken]

Hll players when they realize anything short of a headshot never really kills targets, only downs them:

🤯

So all this “but irl” argument is moot

[vagrant echo]

mans not watched enough combat footage

[runic kraken]

Good grief so which is it

[vagrant echo]

keep it as it is. There unless you fancy unpicking the spagetti code to implement proper player damage models or have some style of COD last stand thing there isnt a lot you can do.

[trim nimbus]

When we refer to kills, we’re essentially referring to “downs”. It is, essentially, a kill unless a medic happens to come by. Essentially, I’m saying that any rifle caliber weapon should put someone down in one hit out to at least 100m, with them being revivable unless it’s a headshot.

But I would argue that we should also be able to shoot a downed body in order to take them out for good.

[vagrant echo]

add in a ticket system to encourage not bleeding out. there fixed, wounds are a thing now., just need to patch up a guy with a fist sized cavity in his chest now r/s

[runic kraken]

Do you know what hlls hitboxes look like

What areas take X amount of damage?

[vagrant echo]

not sure how accurate these are because reddit

[runic kraken]

It’s accurate

[trim nimbus]

Only thing I’d change is that upper legs and arms also take 0.5x damage. Other than that, I’d say it looks good.

[runic kraken]

They tried having forearms&hands taking half damage in a previous update

[olive fjord]

worst hitboxes known to man

[runic kraken]

More like worst shooters of any game

The amount of collective crying was embarrassing

[olive fjord]

exceptionally boring damage models

[runic kraken]

It really revealed the capabilities of your average hll player. They are very low skilled

[rotund anvil]

💔 ⏺️

[trim nimbus]

Though I would also suggest improved ballistics on top of that so that when you shout a guy in the side and his arm/hand is in the way, the hand/arm doesn’t just eat the bullet.

[runic kraken]

One shots with extra steps

[trim nimbus]

And?

[runic kraken]

Knowing hlls garbage tickrate it’d be pointless to calculate

And detrimental

[rotund anvil]

two shot is one shot with extra steps

[runic kraken]

Hlls got this incredibly awkward dichotomy in being a shooter.
You’ve got targets that have the resilience of wet toilet paper and weapons that one shot to absurd ranges, yet your never really killing targets that aren’t headshotted

[trim nimbus]

Combat in HLL is supposed to be lethal. That’s the point. You should be getting taken down if you get shot in the torso by a rifle caliber bullet. Doesn’t matter if it’s 5.56, 7.62, or .50 BMG. If you get shot in the torso, you should go down. Lowering damage will encourage people to just run out across an open field because they’ll be able to tank 2-3 hits before going down.

[runic kraken]

You’ve got one end of players thinking everything oneshotting is the most realistic thing ever, then you’ve got a few that know that it can be a much more interesting and engaging fps if you dial back the traits it currently has and introduce some nuance to how you shoot and kill eachother in game

The fact you think 2-3 shots is “tanking” in any metric is proving what I said earlier about your average hll players skill level

[vagrant echo]

if you are going to emulate real life then >50% of casualties must be from artillery or IDF and like 95% of all shots fired cannot be aimed at an actual enemy

[runic kraken]

Okay but this is a video game

[vagrant echo]

okay, one hit kill then because its far easier to do that than unpick the spegetti code BM wrote

[olive fjord]

funny thing when I suggest the lethality and realism of the game should be increased by making it so the damage models are more in depth and you suffer debuffs from arm and leg shots people dont like

everything one shotting is pretty dull when guns are as accurate as they are currently

[vagrant echo]

supression doesnt actually change your point of aim

[olive fjord]

yeah ik

ik ppl would cry if they made suppression actually useful

[vagrant echo]

have you played Squad? It plays with accuracy a lot. Stamina, ROF and supression all affect it

[olive fjord]

I have a bit

could never run it very well have to try and get into now I have a new pc

[trim nimbus]

What happens when you get shot in HLL and it doesn’t incapacitate you? Do you slow down at all? No, you’re able to just keep going, and you patch yourself up once you get behind something.

[olive fjord]

hll characters feel like they have no bones or organs other than the skull and brain

[runic kraken]

Are you suggesting…some level of combat nuance should happen?
Gee golly I think you’re onto something!

Almost like I said there should be some nuance introduced to how damage is done in hllv!

[olive fjord]

hey be nice

[runic kraken]

I swear the amount of cognitive dissonance is astronomical here

You can’t have any sort of nuance when you’ve got a full array of laserbeam weaponry that oneshotting to stupid high distances

This is basic fps design.

[vagrant echo]

you keep saying nuance but i dont think you have actually suggesting something viable

[olive fjord]

Chums suggestions are quite controversial
he thinks mgs should have an accuracy buildup while firing

[vagrant echo]

lol what?

[trim nimbus]

In a perfect world, the damage model would mimic actual ballistics and take organs into account. Not even just the heart and spine, but the lungs, arteries, etc. I’d say that getting shot at all in the torso would be an instant incapacitation, but how long you have to bleed out depends on what got hit. Didn’t hit anything important? You’ve got a few minutes. Hit a lung or some other organ or artery? You don’t have a whole lot of time. Head, heart, spine, it’s instant. You’re gone.
And ballistics should be accounted for, too. Yawing, tumbling, fragmentation, etc. A bullet that initially hit a lung can fragment and hit the heart. Something like that.
Thing is, that requires a very complex system and I’m not sure how feasible that is.

[runic kraken]

That is my suggestion to make it so that the most optimal way of using an mg wasn’t to simply shoot as little as possible. It’s still like that

Most people do not have the comprehension level to understand that

[vagrant echo]

that logically doesnt make sense, why IRL or in game would you shoot MG more than you need to?

[olive fjord]

now I got a bit of time to type rs2s damage models are
Head, neck
chest, heart, upper and lower spine, abdomen, stomach
upper arm, lower arm, hand
upper leg, lower leg, foot
shots to the leg slow you down for a few seconds, stomach shots from my experience have a higher chance of causing bleed, hands might do something with your aim/accuracy im not sure. head, neck, heart and spine shots are one hit kills

[olive fjord]

I mean in my eyes thats kinda, how you use an mg :v

they're fast but you have to burst fire them if you want to be accurate and kill

[winged scroll]

Since real people can tank multiple rounds and keep fighting, a realistic shooter would have to balance the temporary tankiness with aiming being just as realistic, with your aim wobbling all over the place (when shot), otherwise every gunfight would be a draw. At point blank range they often would be, and that's fine as far as realism is concerned, imo

[runic kraken]

Of course. It’s incredibly easy.

[olive fjord]

There are ways of making it work in the context of HLL it just requires gunplay™

[runic kraken]

It’s also a laserbeam. It is way too easy

[olive fjord]

thats why they should have more recoil even when bipodded

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, if you’ve seen how people use MGs in combat, they don’t just hold down the trigger until the belt runs out. They fire it in bursts.

[runic kraken]

The guy you hear firing off hundreds of rounds isn’t the mg to worry about in the slightest

[olive fjord]

I mean especially the mg34 or 42 the barrel will literally melt if you non-stop fired it like you can in HLL

[vagrant echo]

changeable barrels would be hard to implement because all the MGs in the game are crew served

[celest spire]

yea u could argue that for a .45 aswell but this is a game and balance is a thing, thats the reason why theres damage fall off in HLL and why the stg takes 2 - 3 shots to kill

[runic kraken]

Don’t hit their knees. It will not take more than 2

[olive fjord]

not really, the MG42 and 34 are probably the only ones that need the barrel swap mechanic, plenty of games have had such a mechanic for those guns

[trim nimbus]

The STG can kill in one shot up to 100m.

[vagrant echo]

but none of them are super realistic imo

[olive fjord]

what do you mean

[vagrant echo]

well for the MG34 and 42, barrel change is done while the bipod is deployed and you dont just pull a spare barrel out your infinty bag, its handed to you by the loader or set out pre-emptively.

[trim nimbus]

It depends on the individual. In some extraordinary circumstances, someone can still fight after taking multiple hits. Usually, though, when someone gets shot and isn’t wearing some form of body armor, regardless of caliber, they’re gonna go down.

[vagrant echo]

if it was a bren gun the barrel change would be done by the loader

[winged scroll]

Eh, I've seen a video of a guy getting magdumped twice and getting up both times. They just didnt hit anything to keep him down.

[trim nimbus]

I’m a big guy, but I’m pretty sure if someone shot me, I’d fall over pretty quick.

[vagrant echo]

in what contexct and how many times was he actually hit

[celest spire]

adrenaline is a big factor also other substances can help

[trim nimbus]

Well yeah, but how often does that happen? The extraordinary circumstances are more likely to be recorded and talked about. Most of the time, someone who gets shot is gonna go down.

[celest spire]

its not that uncommon

watch police bodycam shootings

9mm vs a big person on an adrenaline rush is a tank

also possibly meth

[vagrant echo]

30 calibre or 5.56 is a wee bit harder hitting than 9mm

[celest spire]

yes thats my whole point, arguing power and caliber like this is a waste of time in a game like HLL

where we have seen balancing that does the contrary

[winged scroll]

If the bullets only make holes and the target isn't incapacitated by pain and shock, or the muscle so damaged that it cant function, the holes will only bleed. I read of a guy who NDd into his thigh on a range and only realized it when he felt his car seat get wet from blood

But yeah, it's pistol calibre

[celest spire]

if they make the ars 1 shot up to 100m, ok but that will make like literally anything else redundant because sightlines beyond 100m is the game arent gonna be as common as in HLL WW2

[runic kraken]

ARs oneshotting to 100m would be incredibly boring, just like hll.
Just continuing the trend of ratty gameplay and uninteresting firefights

[celest spire]

and making every other weapon that isnt an AR obselecent

[runic kraken]

Yup just like hll

[trim nimbus]

If you think HLL is so “boring”, then why do you play it?

[runic kraken]

You’re getting way ahead of yourself lmao

[vagrant echo]

atleast with HLL V there is the opportunity to implement some "nuance", still waiting for you to suggest some nuance tho

[celest spire]

thats not what hes saying lol

[trim nimbus]

He’s talking about how “boring” Hell Let Loose is. If it’s so boring, there’s other games.

If I think a game’s boring, I just don’t play it.

[celest spire]

no hes saying that its boring that the stg is obviouslt the best gun in the game and if everyone could use it there would be no reason not to

ur being dishonest if you dont see thats what Chum is saying

[trim nimbus]

Then maybe he should have done a better job of explaining that.

[vagrant echo]

or you know.. suggest something

[celest spire]

i understood it perfectly clear lol

[celest spire]

suggest what?

i have made a suggestion

[vagrant echo]

i also didnt tbh because the STG isnt that hard to beat with a semi auto rifle

[celest spire]

2 shot kills for ars at 0-100m so that bolt actions and semi autos are more relevant in HLLV

[vagrant echo]

surely that contradicts "STG best gun in game, obviously"

[celest spire]

WHAT????

u cant be serious

read it again

[trim nimbus]

Okay, but there’s a reason that, during the Vietnam War, we shifted away from bolt-actions and semi-autos. They weren’t relevant anymore.

[vagrant echo]

???

[celest spire]

again usig irl logic for a shooter game thats supposed to be fun

[vagrant echo]

this i disagree with, semi automatic is the default setting. Even in Vietnam.

[celest spire]

YES THE 2 shot thing is a suggestion for HLLV you spaz! so it doesnt become a HLL stg situation, thats my whole f*cking argument

make it so the AR's arent the obvious OP guns

thats teh whole point

[trim nimbus]

I’m more talking about weapons that were capable of full auto as opposed to semi-auto only. And full-auto was utilized a lot in Vietnam. More so than in current conflicts.

[vagrant echo]

so you want to emulate the STG so it doesnt become the STG?

[winged scroll]

The entire game would have to be designed around realistic damage so that crawling in the mud with your legs blown off would still be viable toward victory. It wouldn't be viable in HLL because of the spawn mechanics and victory conditions. I suppose the goal would have to be destruction of the enemy instead of arbitrary cap points so that it'd be worthwhile to stay alive no matter how incapacitated

[olive fjord]

in red orchestra 2 you only get one extra, if any of them break you cant resupply them which I think is a bit rough but if you break both of them the gun cant be used at all. And you have to be bipodded to change it

[celest spire]

the otehr guy wanted ars to be 1 shot kill at 0-100 so no

[trim nimbus]

It’s supposed to be at least semi-realistic. That’s the point. If you wanna just throw realism out the window in favor of “fun”, you have Battlefield and Call of Duty.

[celest spire]

lol ur so dishonest dude, i cant with you

[trim nimbus]

Sure.

[celest spire]

slight damage adjustment to weapons to make multiple weapon classes usefull ina shooter game = THROWING REALISM OUT THE WINDOW

[vagrant echo]

i think you probably need to learn english a bit better and some logical consistency because so far you've said:

"Stg the is the best"
"stg isnt the best"
"HLL V should emulate the STG so it doesnt become the STG"

[runic kraken]

They need to do something much better than “we’re keeping what makes HLL(1) unique” for the next game. Them saying that is not a positive aspect.

[celest spire]

when did i say stg isnt the best?

[trim nimbus]

Dude, just because it’s Vietnam doesn’t mean it’s all going to be short distances. Have you ever seen a rice paddy?

[fathom shoal]

Some1 TLDR me on the discussion

[runic kraken]

Reading comprehension and player skill are at an all time low lmfao

[fathom shoal]

good timing

[runic kraken]

That’s the tldr

[olive fjord]

battlefield and cod mentioned 🥳

[celest spire]

im remebering why i stopped interacting with ppl in this discord

[runic kraken]

Very true

[vagrant echo]

still waiting for Chum to suggest some nuance btw

[celest spire]

still waiting for you to show me when i said the stg wasnt good

btw

[vagrant echo]

calm yer ham dude.

[fathom shoal]

So we know of two maps so far.. Operation “something or other” and Operation “i’m dori”

[winged scroll]

Eh, they can still do a lot within the HLL formula, like damage scaling down over distance instead of sudden drop offs, or reworking the suppression so it actually affected your aim, like you've always wanted

[celest spire]

calm yer ham dude

[fathom shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-christmas-gif-24233688

[celest spire]

hypocrisy manifest

[fathom shoal]

ham is outta control

[vagrant echo]

im n ot calling people a spaz because they pointed out some logical inconsistency and just wanted a bit of clarification

non native english speaker and a dyslexic is going to result in some meaning being lost in translation

[celest spire]

you still havent told me where the logical inconsistency is, the whole time ive said that objectively the stg is the all around best gun in HLL, if we get a game (HLLV) which is running around with 10x the amount of STG's (assault rifles) as the first game, and it is as potent as @trim nimbus wants it to be, then it will be a terrible situation for balance and every other gun will be less usefull

[vagrant echo]

this ironically. ??? "doesnt become the HLL situation"

and you've also said semi autos and bolt actions are more relevant in HLL.

my guy youre saying the words im just tryint to figure itout

[celest spire]

when did i say that

[vagrant echo]

????

STGs are 2 hit kills past 100m

[celest spire]

that was reffering to HLLV ahahaaha, see this proves that you just dont get it

i was reffering to the sitiation i want in HLLV

OMG

[runic kraken]

All
Time
Low

[vagrant echo]

1415070431261753455

[celest spire]

yea this must be ragebait

[trim nimbus]

Maybe classes should rely on things other than how much damage their gun does to be useful. Like how a Machine Gunner can suppress the enemy due to larger magazine capacity and better stability when set up on a bipod, or how a sniper can engage targets more accurately from a long distance because they have a magnified optic. Maybe weapons having high damage encourages players, especially those with “inferior weapons” to play more tactically.

[vagrant echo]

so this then???

[celest spire]

yea that would be great

[vagrant echo]

where ARs are two hit kills past 100m?

liek they are in HLL ww2?

[vagrant echo]

im not the one that cant read a graphic and says it should be different but the same

[fathom shoal]

I hope they remove the leveling loadout system

[vagrant echo]

fixed loadouts or selectable weapons?

[celest spire]

yea or make it way less tedious

[fathom shoal]

Either or.

Anything is better than the unlockable loadouts

[trim nimbus]

That’s what I’ve been saying the entire time. The weapons, for the most part, 1HK to a certain distance, and that requires people to play tactically and rely on aspects other than how much damage their gun does because it scarcely matters what gun you have.

[runic kraken]

The damage your gun outputs is by far the most important aspect in how you engage

The low skill general playerbase doesn’t understand this and wants to be ignorant of it

[celest spire]

or if they 1HK maybe all ppl will care about is the gun itself cuz getting kills is so easy which makes them ignore teamplay, kinda like all assault class/ automatic rifleman players in HLL

HLL would be a better game without those 2 roles, hot take

put the stg on the officer

[runic kraken]

1HK weapons makes me want to stay away from the team just so I can have the opportunity to easily gun the enemy within whatever absurd 1HK range my weapon is capable of

[celest spire]

1hk is fine for headshots and slower shooting guns

[winged scroll]

Isn't that the point? To make a frontline so your rifle can cover even 200m to your left and right, and every rifle besides will cover you?

[runic kraken]

If you have overall less lethal weaponry, you are ENCOURAGED to have more proximal cohesion to overwhelm the opposition.

1HK laser beams is a direct contradiction to the gameplay most hll players want, and they can’t seem to understand that the capacity for one player to easily take down multiple others is a significant factor affecting whether cohesion is even necessary

[celest spire]

if HLL add a more in depth hitbox id be ok with 1hk if they add a like heart box

[vagrant echo]

idk i prefer to get stuck in and actually win gunfights and be faster. Always aim to have a positive KD

[fathom shoal]

I don’t really care about how tedious it may be, but rather, we have loadout/weapon limitations on the amount of players. It just doesn’t make sense to have 40 players rocking their rare Strela Heat seeking rocket launchers when there were very few in use.

Would totally be a meta

[vagrant echo]

all the germans will whinge when they have to use the 16 million K98s and not the 300,000 G43s

[fathom shoal]

Don’t change Hell Let Loose

[trim nimbus]

Not me, I only use the Kar98k.

[fathom shoal]

just this game

[vagrant echo]

so if you apply it to the NVA you probably best have an automatic rifleman class since not every Vietnamese rifleman will be rocking an AK, most will have SKSs i think

[fathom shoal]

Both sides.

[vagrant echo]

okay so at some point every US serviceman is going to have an M16 and 1x M60 per squad

[fathom shoal]

Yes.

[vagrant echo]

and there wont be that many belt feds for vietnam

[fathom shoal]

Eh

[vagrant echo]

most squad automatics for the Vietnamese was an AK or RPK

[trim nimbus]

Depends. For 1965, yeah, SKS might be more common. 1968 and onwards, even local force VC had AKs.

[trim nimbus]

Hate to be the “actually” guy, but the RPK was pretty rare. The RPD, which was belt-fed, was far more common.

[fathom shoal]

Honestly, I think having 50 players on the ground with rapid spawns for the NVA will be able to outcompete American weaponry.

[vagrant echo]

was it actual?

didnt know thatr

[fathom shoal]

Honestly, basic rifles, such as the AKs and M14s shouldn’t have limits.

SKSs and M16s

Mosins and M2 Carbines

[winged scroll]

Americans will need some automatic advantage to deal with the unending hordes of NVA. I cant see helis or boats being as effective as tunnels.

[fathom shoal]

Yeah, I can only see the Vietnamese dominance.

Maybe they get less ammo

like that was ever a worry in HLL

[winged scroll]

Even if americans got powerful gunships, what are they going to shoot on forested maps when they cant see anything?

[fathom shoal]

It’s gonna be camp fest

[vagrant echo]

squad does this with sub classes. If you go militia/irregular factions you can have like an AK74, SKS, PPS, or something else with some class variation.
Its been removed now but a "grenadier" could have had an AK with GP25 or an RPG-7 with extra fragmentation rounds and one heat

[fathom shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/xx-gif-15392548

[vagrant echo]

speakign of which, i hope the RPGs do have frag rounds and not the stupid HEAT/FRAG combo of every other game

[fathom shoal]

That was the exact system I was thinking of

I like that system, just would be cool to see it streamlined for HLLV

[vagrant echo]

it works well. certain sub classes are better than others and some specific bits are limited. so you can only have so many RPG armed Light Anti Tank guys but more rifle grenade armed Light Anti Tank

[frosty shoal]

In RS2. The gunship just saturates an entire area

[fathom shoal]

Yep, I really like that system. I just hate the gunplay in squad.

[vagrant echo]

apparently its better now

[fathom shoal]

Really?

If I could ever get it running

UE5

[vagrant echo]

the new UE5 update tweaked some of the gun play

[fathom shoal]

I’ll check it out in 2 months or so when I get back to my PC

[vagrant echo]

you will hit F.A if you have no stamina still, but if you are properly aiming with stamia you wont lose sight picture after one round

[winged scroll]

Yeah, I meant helicopter gunships. What a silly word, means boat, ship, helicopter, plane... If the helicopters cant get the tunnel, it's never going to end, and they'll be forever tied to defense just holding the enemy off. I feel like the helicopter pilot would have to be used like a call-in strike when someone spots a tunnel for him.

[fathom shoal]

Not really related, but kinda. I heard the PiP is broken and lags out your game.

[frosty shoal]

Did they say helicopters are going to be player driven?

[fathom shoal]

Yes

[trim nimbus]

People seem to think of Vietnam as just monolithic jungle when the terrain is fare more complex than that. There’s plenty of open fields and rice paddies with longer engagement distances. I mean, they’ve already said they’ll have multiple different environments represented in the maps, meaning multiple different potential engagement distances.

[fathom shoal]

There’s 3 roles for a Helicopter crew: Pilot, Crewman, and Gunner

[vagrant echo]

que the idiots who havent learned to fly screwing the team over thinking its GTA flight controls

[winged scroll]

Yeah. But if the map is very forested, they wont see anything to shoot, so they can only dump rounds just like arty takes a guess at where the enemy is

[fathom shoal]

Hue city is my biggest hope core

[fathom shoal]

dw chief i’ll be the dd

[frosty shoal]

I guess they’ll be good on some areas of the map. Since it’s likely not ever map will be all jungle

[winged scroll]

Yeah, some areas in the trailer were quite open

[fathom shoal]

They had that beautiful snipers nest

atop the hill, elevation will play a huge factor

[trim nimbus]

I’ve always wanted a map based on An Hoa and the Arizona Territory. It’s where my great uncle on my dad’s side served when he was in Nam. If only he’d made it back home.

[fathom shoal]

That’s an airfield?

My Vietnam knowledge only goes so far

[trim nimbus]

An Hoa combat base had an airstrip.

[fathom shoal]

Okay. So kinda

There will be plenty of open fields with Agent Orange and Napalm strikes

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-smoke-ring-helicopter-gif-15864798

River Basins

Honestly, most of the fighting will likely occur out of the jungle

[trim nimbus]

Friggin’ exactly. Which is why it makes no sense that people got up in arms about ARs one-shotting out to 100. There will be plenty of opportunities to take advantage of BRs and bolt-actions with their extended 1HK range.

[fathom shoal]

Honestly, I don’t think I’d die from one shot of an AR to my leg or arms

[winged scroll]

We dont even know if the damage and hitbox system will be any similar. You'd think that they'd get the lower arm hitbox working this time. They could even balance the weapons so that BR kills with a shot to the lower arm or leg, but an AR doesnt

[trim nimbus]

Well, yeah. Arms and legs shouldn’t be 1HK. But they should definitely knock you down if you get hit in the torso.

[fathom shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-ice-cream-ice-creamcone-gif-5686762

and my thick butt

[trim nimbus]

Lieutenant Dan, I’m trying to sneak around, but I’m dummy thicc and the clap of my booty cheeks keeps alerting the VC

[fathom shoal]

If they can work out a system if you get shot in your extremities slowing movements and needing a medic to fix that’d be fine

Like if you get shot in the leg you’ll limp and move 25% speed or something

[trim nimbus]

Honestly, yeah, I think that’d be a good idea.

[fathom shoal]

Make medics useful-ish

and restrict redeploy

[winged scroll]

If suppression was much stronger from every source, yeah. Then it'd often be a wild gunfight where you wont get accurately hit (and cant return accurate fire either) and will live longer to be patched up. But if it isnt any different from HLL, then a limp would just make it even easier to kill.

[fathom shoal]

Better than dying

you have a chance

[winged scroll]

Sure, of course. I'd rather a thigh shot make a limp than kill, like it is now

[trim nimbus]

Yeah. I’d say it’s not the damage that needs to change, it’s the hitboxes.

[fathom shoal]

I’m sure they’re revamping the whole system now that they have access to it

So for maps.. Hue City? Any takers? Going once, going twice..

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, Hue sounds like a good idea.

[fathom shoal]

Ben Het? The site of the biggest tank battle of the war involving American forces. M48s vs. PT-76s.

Khe Sanh? Massive battle/siege lasting for months on an American airbase. Had Marines, Army, and ARVN.

That’s enough of my wishlist.

[runic kraken]

There’s the ever present challenge with the often suggested “just make suppression stronger and/or recoil higher”.
Players don’t like feeling out of control of their actions in game (“noodle arms soldier”), but by the time you get to the amount of suppression and felt recoil to where it’d make an actual difference -now you’ve got a game that feels janky and what’s immediately apparent to any prospective player.

Hll already went through that cycle with its earlier version of suppression. The jarring appearance and lack of control is immediately apparent to player whether or not they understand that it needs to be that high before suppression actually does something

[winged scroll]

RS2 would be a good start. It's not so noticeable there because the engagement distances are often so small, but on maps the size of HLL, the swaying and suppressiong would make a much larger difference, I think.

[runic kraken]

I suspect bm knew this effect it’d have on any potential new players so they changed it before the game really went into marketing itself. No new player wants to stick around if they turn to jelly when bullets fly by.

[weary sail]

Gyaattt damn

[trim nimbus]

An Hoa River Basin. To the south was An Hoa Combat base, controlled throughout most of the war by the 5th Marine Regiment. Across the Song Thu Bon was the Arizona Territory, a notorious enemy stronghold. Multiple operations to clear the enemy from the area took place throughout the war. The Arizona Territory had a reputation. Firefights in that area were intense and frequent.

[jade kayak]

These sound better for #vietnam-history 😉

[trim nimbus]

Oh, sorry, I was making a map recommendation.

But I do think it would be a good map for the game. Descriptions of the terrain and various photos seem to imply a variety of engagement distances, allowing all classes to have a chance to play to their strengths.

[fathom shoal]

You don’t gotta call me out like that. 🤣

should totally be pinned though

[trim nimbus]

Lookin’ like a double-wide surprise…

[serene ether]

🍑

[mint obsidian]

Looks dry, surprisingly

[trim nimbus]

You can kinda see the rice paddies in the distance if you look really close. But yeah, it’s a little different from the stereotypical idea of Vietnam. That’s part of why I think it’d be a good map.

You know, because most people just think of Vietnam as dense jungle, and there’s a lot more to it than that.

[fathom shoal]

Little Birds would be cool too. Basically a squad use helicopter.

[jaunty belfry]

We are 1 day closer to HLLV

[limpid sand]

Not if I have anything to say about that

And I do

[limpid sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335100895834148935/1335104189147123763/Greg_gif.gif

[jaunty belfry]

and what would that be?

irs gonna be a glorious day

I'm gonna play for 24 hours

[plain lake]

Livestream it all. "24 HOURS IN THE JUNGLE, AND THE TREES ARE TALKING TO ME..."

[dusky spindle]

whens the next dev stream thing?

[proven salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7QBm3PsNSM

[fathom shoal]

Imagine spending months, if not years, in the jungle..

[plain lake]

The thought of it is terrifying

[plain lake]

Next Vietnam dev brief will be coming very soon.
Vietnam Dev Q&A hopefully next month.
We're also starting work on so other Vietnam video and content projects which is very exciting.

We've got a lot of HLL WW2 content coming up next which I can't wait for

[dusky spindle]

gameplay footage?

[twilit slate]

Give… Ia Drang.

Please 😭

[plain lake]

Can't share when this will be released I'm afraid. That being said, I will be sharing stuff from in game including assets etc. in the upcoming blogs and social posts

[dusky spindle]

👀

[fathom shoal]

We like Hue City too..

[jaunty belfry]

love hue city

in rs2v and arma 3

and saigon

[spare flare]

the biggest tank battle of the war is the battle of Loc Ninh

25 T-54 + PT-76 + 4 ZSU-57-2 vs 35 M-41 tanks

[fathom shoal]

Involving Americans I meant.

But that would be better honestly. If we get the ARVN.

[tribal umbra]

Long Tan as well if they go down the ANZAC route

[dusky spindle]

yo will there be helis on every map?

[maiden lichen]

Based on the fact that the NVA will have tunnels which logicly will be on all maps I would say they are.

Helis still are the US equivalent to tunnels so taking them away would be unfair.

[fathom shoal]

Or there can be multiple systems put into place, but who knows the likelihood of that.

I don’t expect tunnels underneath river deltas and wetlands.

[fathom shoal]

We can always have MSPs again.

[rotund anvil]

Where korea

[vagrant rock]

Far East Asia, next to China

[rotund anvil]

I'm one of the rare Americans that knows some geography stupid

[fathom shoal]

Not all that rare in the newer generations.

[mint obsidian]

Reset the counter boys

[fathom shoal]

Where Afghanistan

[jaunty belfry]

how hyped are we

I'm fuggin HYPED

1 day closer

this game is what all my youtube videos are gonna be about. it is the sole game I'm going to play for years

[jaunty belfry]

i keep that hype on me

[trim nimbus]

There are no words in the entire English lexicon to describe how hyped I am for this game. I’ve wanted HLL Vietnam for a long time. I NEED this.

[jaunty belfry]

thata the spirit lol

I wanted it from HLL or isonzo or insurgency devs but mostly HLL for the grittiness and large scale

and here we are

nobody ever touches vietnam and its such an interesting setting and time period

hope we get to see saigon or hue city i love the urban maps.

[trim nimbus]

I think Saigon and Hue city should both make it in. They’re both cities, but they have different aesthetics. Saigon was a more modern city while Hue had a lot more traditional Vietnamese and Colonial French architecture. The maps would have totally different vibes.

[jaunty belfry]

you ever played arma 3 sog pf? i love fighting in both cities.

[trim nimbus]

Nah, I don’t have a PC

[jaunty belfry]

me neither i play using geforce now on my xbox browsee LOL

doesnt seem to wanna work lately though for some reason

[vagrant echo]

Where america

[stark geode]

wait, im lazy. sm1 tell me if its out already + if it is released, if its out on gamepass too

[maiden lichen]

No

2026 my boi

[stark geode]

yeah figures.. thx anyways lol

this shi gna be GOOD

[jaunty belfry]

1 day closer

[cunning pike]

did they say what month hllv will drop

[maiden lichen]

nope

[balmy osprey]

I will miss the game of my life

22 years waiting

battlefield Vietnam 2

[fathom shoal]

not all of them

[jaunty belfry]

directed by Stephen Squealberg

[lament elbow]

they're carrying M16s but wearing rice hats, what faction do these pigs belong to??

[green cradle]

Vietcong probably

[olive fjord]

ai slop faction

[limpid sand]

Those are gun abominations, don’t look into it

[balmy osprey]

the bonus nazi zombie mode of rolling thunder will kill hell let loose

[olive fjord]

You'd be surprised how strangely resilient hll is

[rotund anvil]

HLLV, the real HLL killer

[maiden lichen]

Thats not even unlikely

[winged scroll]

is that an onion with two eyes looking sideways?

[fathom shoal]

Hell Let Loose decided to kill itself rather than be slain by another.

It’s like a son killing his father just so he can continue his legacy in a falling dynasty.

[rotund anvil]

Real

[mint obsidian]

You making stuff up is honestly just hilarious at this point 😂

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-am-inevitable-avengers-endgame-avengers-infinity-war-infinity-stones-gif-18648965

[runic kraken]

A majority of hll players are European. I can’t see them being too interested in a Vietnam setting

[mint obsidian]

Mods, pin this so we can check it in the future

[maiden lichen]

I dont think im allowed to

[vagrant rock]

dew it

now

[maiden lichen]

Nö

[runic kraken]

It’ll fare better than the first hll one the basis that it’s simply a newer iteration. But it seems like a Vietnam setting is more appealing to USA players, and maybe the French.

AUS doesn’t have enough players to care lmaooo

[mint obsidian]

Ö

[maiden lichen]

Ä

[mint obsidian]

Ñ

[maiden lichen]

Ü

[mint obsidian]

Ë

[runic kraken]

🏳️

French emoji

[runic kraken]

Where did this derive from anyway? The French and surrendering

[rotund anvil]

Source?

It also doesn't really matter if HLLV captures a new American audience 🤷‍♂️

[mint obsidian]

Franco Prussian war

And ww2

But ww2 ain’t really valid idk

Tbh it’s more just a joke 😂

[runic kraken]

Every good joke has a bit of truth to it

[mint obsidian]

Which it does

[vagrant echo]

they were conquered in 6 weeks,

[jaunty belfry]

I thought they had dinosaurs ?

[proven salmon]

anzac will be featured in game?

aight

[frosty shoal]

Realest thing you've said

[fathom shoal]

I’m getting antsy..

We want more info! 🪧🐜🪧🐜🐜🪧🐜🐜🐜🪧🐜🐜🐜🐜🪧🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜

[maiden lichen]

[runic kraken]

Expect a pte before they go into early access

😬

[quasi ivy]

HI

[jade kayak]

Hello hello

[fathom shoal]

when pacific

[mint obsidian]

When spacific

[maiden lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462409534401413144/1415361650151784648/YeetBerg1.gif

How I feel

[mint obsidian]

Ngl that movie is actually hype

[trim nimbus]

I hope is soon.

Don’t even need too much, just a little dev log, man. I haven’t had a hit in weeks.

[maiden lichen]

#base-camp message

Not sure if that helps, but it should be the last thing we got about it.

[solar elk]

would it be wise to separate the Vietnam clan recruitment from WWII?

[jade kayak]

A lot of communities will probably be in both. If it's an issue, we can look into it later when the game comes out

[solar elk]

For sure and your more then likely right, just a thought haha

[livid folio]

I hope they fix rendering and sync issues. Also what bothers me in hll is that you cant destroy any walls or buildings.

[young crystal]

what the

I did not expect Bergball

[maiden lichen]

The bergball always comes unexpected.

[trim nimbus]

Destructible foliage would be cool, too. Flamethrowers, napalm, big explosions, and heavy vehicles being able to clear foliage would be awesome.

[solar elk]

We already have several units setting up for Vietnam Unit operations should be great fun 🇺🇲 🇻🇳

[desert rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/lucas-bergvall-tottenham-hotspur-spurs-goal-celebration-gif-15493889757654385230

?

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-rain-raining-shield-gif-23708211

[jade kayak]

You know better, HLL talk 😛

[trim nimbus]

So, another dev QnA about the game next month and a dev brief coming sometime soon… man, once we start getting more info, it’s gonna hit like crack.

I’m watching Vietnam War documentaries to tide me over. I tell ya, there’s nothing like a good Vietnam War documentary to rekindle your hatred for dirty, dirty hippies.

[solar elk]

Did you leave Rolling thunder discord or get kicked?

[maiden lichen]

Whilst im not a big fan of either of those two, its still not necessary to talk them down.

[young crystal]

👀

[solar elk]

i need more screenshots of the US from 25th ID posters 🇺🇲

[fathom shoal]

u got a whole ah trailer to ss

[solar elk]

I want high quality screenshots for making posters 👍

[fathom shoal]

let’s see what u got so far

[cinder burrow]

Is this where the HLL Vietnam talk will be?

[jade kayak]

Correct, and history talk will go in #vietnam-history

[cinder burrow]

What can we do about unstable players that TK in HLL Vietnam? I say we should be able to handcuff them and a time penalty. Vote kicks helps but not everyone is aware.

If TK is high frequency and Intentional should be a instant kick from the server

[cinder burrow]

I really want to play with Vietnam veterans.

[trim nimbus]

There might be some out there. I remember seeing a thumbnail for a video on YouTube where a guy played SOG: Prairie Fire with some Vietnam Vets.

[cinder burrow]

I found it. Gonna have to hear it on the way home.

[civic ibex]

When the new update should come out the begining of the next month?Thank you and Regard.

[solar elk]

You mean sit-rep? As game is not out yet

[civic ibex]

I meant for the base game not Vietnam

[winged scroll]

sir, this is HLLV base camp

[civic ibex]

Srry,mistake

[winged scroll]

we dont know is the answer

[civic ibex]

Haha fair enough.Thank you

[solar elk]

Haha

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/hamburger-hill-blooper-vietnam-war-bump-gif-22446815

[fathom shoal]

Drewski?

[trim nimbus]

I think? I’m not exactly sure.

[jaunty belfry]

we are one day closer to HLL V friends

[winged scroll]

the development encountered a 2-day setback so we're one day further away

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-mad-max-thats-fake-news-gif-15326334

[celest spire]

HLL vietnam showcase when?

please papa Ben

[plain lake]

Well this is a new one... ahgaha

We'll be starting to share more details on HLL:V very soon across our different socials so be sure to be following them 🙂

Got some fun stuff in the works which I can't wait to share!

[celest spire]

how soon....

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-gif-16026067775465227801

[plain lake]

Pretty

[celest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[winged scroll]

Are the socials listed anywhere? Discord, FB, Insta, Tiktok, OF?

5 quid to remove a panty filter off of a HLLV screenshot?

[plain lake]

https://discordapp.com/channels/316459644476456962/1339389298755240047/1420071269013127360

I've popped this in the server directory. Hope this helps 😄

[trim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

[winged scroll]

isn't that how OF works?

[trim nimbus]

Hell Let Loose has an OF?

Look, man, I like guns and tanks, too, but there’s a point where you’ve gotta ask yourself if you’re taking things too far.

[winged scroll]

No, but it could have. Only need to hire some model, rent some period correct uniforms and have them pose for light, pg-16 stripping. 5€ a month, plus some sneak peak screenshots. Look, T17 has to make money somehow, I dont make the rules

[trim nimbus]

I mean, I have some Vietnam-era gear. I’d need to get in shape, though.

[winged scroll]

yeah, it could be a community fundraiser thing. maybe put some familiar faces in there...

[trim nimbus]

slowly takes off bandolier
Ahem… ladies.

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/cummins-gif-12535975135255283466

[winged scroll]

what'd you do without us

[maiden lichen]

Be happy?

[trim nimbus]

Everyone knows the part everyone loves about ‘Nam is the SEX APPEAL

[maiden lichen]

-# Im kidding

[vagrant rock]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[wraith edge]

announcing the announce smh

[maiden lichen]

Its the classic Ben way of saying

[fathom shoal]

[solar elk]

https://tenor.com/view/see-you-soon-gif-18010036

[jaunty belfry]

fortunate son intensifies

[balmy osprey]

"he ain't heavy, he's my brother "

[olive fjord]

Ai slop cant get the gun right

[azure spire]

attention on left man. I marked red arrow

[unkempt oracle]

That gun just looks like an evolution of the Garand with the clip sticking out of the top from that trailer

[maiden lichen]

take the germam op

https://tenor.com/view/keepmoving-hell-let-loose-takinggermanop-u15-update15-gif-7689767871759833939

[fathom shoal]

I thoroughly enjoyed this trailer and wish for it to be posted again

[vagrant rock]

As a non-HLL-player, I strongly agree, I thoroughly enjoyed that trailer

[fathom shoal]

maybe it was a crazy 4d chess marketing stunt.. make an absurdly bad and honestly hilarious trailer to get some attention towards the game and more people buy it bc why not

it obviously wasnt

[desert rivet]

Who approved that to be published?

I'm sure he's a very interesting person.

[maiden lichen]

They outsourced the trailer and somehow didnt do the obviously needed quality checks.

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[maiden lichen]

Im sorry, please dont ban me 😭

[sharp sun]

sums up T17 taking over the game nicely

[maiden lichen]

To be fair the last like 2 years of BM werent the best either.
Still its the TLDR Version of Hll from like 2020 to 2024. 😅

[limber gust]

I really need to find people that knows how to play.. where can I find some really good players to play with?

[desert rivet]

Join a community

Look here #1343090646168240199

[limber gust]

You have a good recommendation?

[desert rivet]

I have no idea about pc division

Read the description and what they are looking for and choose the one that fits you the best

Or the one with the coolest logo

[limber gust]

Alr will check them out

[mint obsidian]

https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-star-wars-episode-3-3o84sw9CmwYpAnRRni

[maiden lichen]

Eyyyy

🥲

[mint obsidian]

You’re being replaced by Starkiller

[maiden lichen]

Thats In engine?!?!

Wooow

[runic kraken]

in-engine doesn't necessarily mean in-game

[mint obsidian]

I’m calling cap

[maiden lichen]

My PC gonna burn out

[plain lake]

I will take your cap then

UE5 is great

[mint obsidian]

HEY GIVE IT BACK

[runic kraken]

we're not going to fall for HLL renders again, are we

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-now-steal-take-grab-mine-gif-13196166

[maiden lichen]

Fair enough I guess 😅

[jaunty mural]

I call cap.

We need to see another one for proof 😉

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[neon cedar]

This looks amazing!

[quasi pebble]

6'6 283lb US Marine from Kentucky with a room temperature IQ

[neon cedar]

Nice looking soldier! Blue eyes and they have reflections those white things

Also look at skin, it’s with high details

It’s like real photo

[maiden lichen]

It look better than current Hll for sure.

[neon cedar]

Look at the shadows

[neon cedar]

Ben can I take this one for profile picture?

[plain lake]

If you so desire Kedo 😂

[neon cedar]

Thanks!!

[trim nimbus]

Oh, that looks awesome. This gonna be good.

[runic kraken]

vs what you get

🙈

[trim nimbus]

And we’ll all still play it.

[dusky cedar]

Ngl though the iris looks amazing😂

[tropic wren]

hes seen unimaginable things

[fathom shoal]

Yep, in-engine literally means it’s a rendering. So the quality can be as good as possible

but also take forever to render

[fathom shoal]

at least he asked

also name drop who 3d scanned or made that artwork

they need credit

[plain lake]

I'll see if they are happy for their name to be shared on Monday 🫡

That said, we are working on some content that should show off more BTS dev stuff, so you should get to know a few more members on the team and what they've worked on in the lead up to launch 😁

[runic kraken]

Speaking of, for the HLL website, make it so that the embeds (pictures, youtube videos) on it are layered **above **the grainy background filter that's being applied.
As it is now, this grayish grainy/fuzzy background filter is overlayed on top of the media and it's making images appear noisier than what in-game actually looks like.
Example,

[abstract kraken]

Im ready to be singing old vietnam war cadences with the boys.
Napalm sticks to kids 🎶

Any word on a beta ?

[fathom shoal]

I think that’s the point though.

[runic kraken]

showcasing development imagery behind a grainy filter which is very obviously supposed to be the sites background would be an especially stupid thing to do.

"here's our new map lighting!" Here's a grainy filter overlayed above this picture to show it.

Right click image - open image new tab - see the difference

[fathom shoal]

It’s just the newspaper effect. It would look like crap if the picture didn’t blend into the page. That’s why there’s the option to right click the image to view it.

[maiden lichen]

It would look out of place if the filter wouldnt be there as well

[fathom shoal]

If you’re really that concerned, they could and probably should add a function to left click on it and move the picture in front of the filter.

[fathom shoal]

Yes, exactly what I was saying.

[heady kettle]

I'm in on that since supporting and testing the CDLC. and still uploading but I got a day job. look for recent vids, 'testing' in title, and the SOG CDLC with SOG vets playlist.

Imma link a short of it just cause Iazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppshP6P_1bU

We were blessed to have them in the project advising not only playing. GhostRider SOG crew chief aviator (inserts and extracts for the teams) still show up more than once a week, had El-Cid for long while weekly. both learnt the game to the fullest and tried almost anything with success. flying slick, cobras, calling CAS, in game Land Nav, server admin tools even. we have now with us a Vietnam vet that was a 4th Infantry division LRRP learning while test playing with us. and RiP to those on board or in touch, that have already passed now.

[trim nimbus]

That’s awesome, man. I hope some Vietnam vets will enjoy the new HLL game, too.

[spare flare]

Fellow SOG enthusiast huh

[jaunty belfry]

i hope HLLV gets KBM support for console

at some point

the screenshot of the us soldier is impressive

i need moar

[jade kayak]

I don't think they plan on it since they don't have it HLL WW2

[maiden lichen]

Probably not, they will make crossplay as its now in HLL, so why change that if its their main concern for crossplay.😅

[jaunty belfry]

just because thsts the way it is in the old version doesnt mean the new game has to be that way. arma reforger and insurgency both have KBM support and global crossplay and are better off for it.

[maiden lichen]

They already said it tho 😅

[jaunty belfry]

doesnt mean that wont change the games not even out yet. insurgency didnt add global crossplay until year six. jesus christ its like people dont believe in change lol.

[solar elk]

Crossplay is a touchy subject as both pc and console have divided player base that dont want it added

[heady kettle]

You advising on every discord and project in the universe on the era, only logical thing I seen all week, you being here. 🙂

[spare flare]

I have no part in this, actually

[heady kettle]

Yet😂