base-camp

[crude sable]

I am so excited for a Vietnam game, let alone in the HLL playstyle

I haven't played one since Battlefields Vietnam DLC

[sleek fulcrum]

Yeh I’m really excited too. I actually prefer it a lot to the pacific theatre

[crude sable]

Didnt have a PC for Rising storm 2 so I missed out

[broken verge]

HLLV GOT ME HYPE

[winged scroll]

It still has 4-6 full servers. I'd say that it's less dead than sq44 since you dont have to wait nearly as long in a queue to get into a full match

[vagrant rock]

Neither games are dead

Speaking of which, does RS2 still get updates?

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-13552238259749355776

[winged scroll]

Apparently there was one 8th of july this year

[vagrant rock]

Then that game truly isn't dead

[winged scroll]

Looks like they're all about server connectivity, voip etc, so they got at least one guy tinkering still

[covert finch]

anyone else desperately wish that HLL:V would be silly enough to let us blast 60's tunes at the enemy from vehicle speakers, like BF:Vietnam? Ahhhh i miss it.

[twilit slate]

Music would be fun, the issue is copyright and paying for the license. Honestly the real answer is local voice, so that the pilots can just play music in their speakers and let other people hear.

[covert finch]

oh yeah of course you couldn't do it without paying a massive pile of cash

[frosty elk]

So we getting tanks and helicopters boats and thats how far we getting with vehicles?

Id love to see a cobra or something

But Im ok with whatever we get honestly

[crude sable]

I think Cobra would be hard to balance, but it'll be interesting to see how they do the asymmetric balances

[covert finch]

NGL i can totally see an experienced transport chopper pilot completely changing battles. being able to quickly get people in and out will be epic

wonder what sort of AA will be available

[crude sable]

i'm guessing the RPG's and LMG's can take them down decently easy

but yeah I agree the flanks are going to be crazy with a good chopper pilot

[covert finch]

fingers crossed they REALLY expand engineer abilities. One of my favorite things is going into one of the fronts as a combat engi and trying to build up my team cover, emplacements, and throw around barbed wire to funnel the enemy. Kind of sucks that you can only put down 4 sandbags. Would love a couple curved sandbag walls, maybe the ability to quickly toss together even cheaper, limited defenses made out of logs.

[twilit slate]

US Army gets Hueys, NVA gets tunnels. Sort of like how RS2 balanced it I assume.

[crude sable]

Q&A time lets go

[gilded citrus]

Where?

Nvm

[twilit slate]

Twitch

[twilit slate]

They confirmed the US faction will be Army, Navy (via swift boats) and Marines

[frosty elk]

Need to get into the playtests unless its closed

[twilit slate]

No word yet on whether factions are map-specific or an amalgamation based on cosmetic choices by the player.

[crude sable]

I wonder if we'll different US factions per map

[covert finch]

I wonder how the game will hold up once you switch over to mostly full auto weapons for the era.
feels like HLL keeps the pacing perfect cuz just running in on the enemy alone is a terrible idea with only semi-auto for like 70% of weapons

[crude sable]

maybe ammo conservation will be more important with this

like you only have 3-4 mags and only 1 role has ammo

[frosty elk]

Honesty I think it will still work full auto but I feel like people will be more pushed towards shooting semi auto placed shots for more accuracy

I can see full auto only for like cqb and suppression

[covert finch]

they'd reallly need to compensate with an ammo-giving role in the squad, probably loaded up with more than the current support/rifle role O:

it'd be cool if you could select a "more mags" kit that makes you a bit slower/less stamina, or a "fewer mags" kit that makes you a bit faster

[crude sable]

Completely different game but the Ready or Not loadout has that to a degree

Can pick mags, and other things you bring along, armour, etc

[narrow jackal]

well that felt like a lackluster Q&A

[winged scroll]

Even now in HLL people don't fire as much as they should, imo. People like to think that suppressive fire doesn't work, and I can usually tell when incoming fire isn't accurate, but how many can? And you dont need to have a line of sight to the enemy to suppress, so you dont risk anything. I suppose people really overestimate the importance of stealth (when in combat)

[crude sable]

they prob cant share much yet

it was only just announced so better than nothing

[narrow jackal]

counterpoint, why have a channel dedicated to asking questions just for them to ignore 90% of them

they could have just as easily called it a dev brief instead.

[crude sable]

they should do a pre recorded q&a with the ones in that channel IMO

I agree they didnt really answer any from there

[narrow jackal]

am i wrong willes LMAO

im not that mad it just felt kind of pointless idk

they didn't touch on any of the questions people actually wanted to know about, like going a little bit more in depth about how tunnels actually work

most the topics they touched on were things people already knew

or could assume

we really dedicated 5 mins to answering a question about playing fortunate son in the helicopter over literally anything else

[maiden lichen]

The last qna were objectively better. I couldnt hear it all tho, because I was in Transit getting from the central station to my hotel in a big f*ing City.

Either way Im looking forward to the dev briefings.

[deep zenith]

feel like they probably just didnt answer some q's because they have planned reveals of it later

[narrow jackal]

well thats what I mean why bother taking questions if you're not going to answer any of them

it should have just been a general brief

[remote otter]

yeah there could be like a year of dev left for all we know. they don't have to say everything right now

[deep zenith]

idk not the only company to do qna and ignore the most asked things

[narrow jackal]

no i just pray every q&a gets better to end up slightly more dissapointed. this isnt really anything new.

[rare jasper]

So hyped to have a 4th game to play lol i only play HLL(WW2) Quake Live and Quake Champions

[narrow jackal]

team17 is famous for their communication & transparency

bazinga

[remote otter]

Expression are named after it

[rare jasper]

If they price it right (around £30-40 it should be huge

I hope then after this modern combat one

[narrow jackal]

I'd hope so for only 6 maps at launch. Replayability will definitely be an interesting topic.

obviously it will be updated, but I digress.

[maiden lichen]

The community already play only like 3 maps 😂

Im sure 6 be be enough then xD

[narrow jackal]

mfw i want to play something that isnt SME.

[gilded citrus]

Stealth will also be a bigger thing so rambo-ing will hold it’s own downsides as well

[crude sable]

I feel it'll more more important to the VC as part of the asymmetrical balance

not like Hueys and tanks are stealth

[gilded citrus]

I’m sure they will come back to them

[gilded citrus]

They need to add the ability to hear enemy Prox chat, that would be so fun :0

[vivid elm]

will dev allow NVA/VC have counter weapon system again US tank/apc/attack heli/boat ? the think they realistic deploy in vietnam war such as ...T-54 tank , PT-76/T-34 light tank , BTR-152 APC/AA , type 63 APC , free deployable HMG duska , rifle grenade to counter US M79 grenade launcher , anti personal mine ? NVA even deploy T-34/AA tank (twin 37mm armored turret on T-34 chasic) , and ZSU-57-2 as anti-air/anti infantry and counter US similar M42 duster

[crude sable]

I love it so much in Reforger

[plain lake]

As we have only just announced the game, there is only so much the team can reveal today, as this was more of an introduction to the game. We do have A LOT more planned in the coming months ahead however and I cannot wait to share it with you.

In terms of questions that weren't answered today, that does not mean they won't be in the future. We will look to update the FAQ page on the website as well with questions as well 🫡

Hope this reassures you all, and if you have suggestions for future content beats, I've just created the #1408499027024150650 channel to hear your thoughts ❤️

[vivid elm]

as vietnamese can i ask a question ? will dev team allow NVA/VC have counter weapon system again US tank/apc/attack heli/boat ? the think they realistic deploy in vietnam war such as ...T-54 tank , PT-76/T-34 light tank , BTR-152 APC/AA , type 63 APC , free deployable HMG duska , rifle grenade to counter US M79 grenade launcher , anti personal mine ? NVA even deploy T-34/AA tank (twin 37mm armored turret on T-34 chasic) , and ZSU-57-2 as anti-air/anti infantry and counter US similar M42 duster . or....NVA/VC must have nothing but basic sks ak mosin kit + tunnel vs all sort of US advantage ?

[trim nimbus]

This wouldn’t really be realistic for Vietnam, with US forces in particular. Part of why the M16 was adopted is that the ammo was lighter, enabling soldiers to carry more of it, and they took advantage of that. US troops in Vietnam regularly took at least two 7-pocket bandoliers with them in the field, meaning they were usually carrying at least 14 mags with them, plus one magazine in the rifle, each one holding around 20 rounds. That’s around 300 bullets.

For the PAVN, that’s a little more of a realistic expectation. They’d often just carry what they could fit in a three-pocket chest rig, plus one magazine in the AK. So, about 120 rounds.

[spare flare]

Standard is 165 rounds for AK

[plain lake]

Pop this into the #1407789105768698007 channel as this is somethign the team will be able to answer in the future

[spare flare]

3x30 round mag + 25 heavy round + 50 seperate catridge

[trim nimbus]

“Heavy round”?

[spare flare]

Tracer/AP/incendiary AP

[trim nimbus]

And where did they keep the 50 separate AK cartridges? In their pockets?

[spare flare]

Packed inside a paper package

Standard round wrapping for soviet and chinese ammunition at the time

[crude sable]

was more balance focused than realism focused when I suggested it

[vivid elm]

also north vietnam soldiers reload AK all with left hand hold the wooden part , right hand change the mag and pull the charging handle strictly follow soviet union AK manual tech book . the reload AK mag with left hand , never remove right hand from pistol grip is very western/US style . only post 91 russian spec ops reload like that .

this is how soviet basic AK manual tech all com block nation reload AK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVZy4uCz7Do

basically we reload AK extractly like how US troops reload m14/m2 carbine in cold war . because AK exist to replace SKS/SVT-40/mosin same as m14 replace m1 garand and m2 carbine. so they care over all the old gun reload muscle memory

[trim nimbus]

How common would these rounds have actually been in the field at the time?

[spare flare]

Pretty common during a well prepared offensive

Since tracer round is used for signalling

I dont know about AP and incendiary

But hypothetically speaking they have it, at least the leader has to have it

Usually what they did is to fire tracer round when they want to indicate a target for the RPG

[vivid elm]

common as how soviet teach everyone in comblock do . normally the last 5 round in every AK mag are tracer/API-T to let user know they run out of ammo need reload .

[spare flare]

Or they fire 1-2 shot into the sky to signal something

Predetermined code such 3 shot means "Airstrike coming" or "I am here", depends on what was determined before the battle

[trim nimbus]

Well, yeah, I figured tracers would be pretty common, I meant more along the lines of the armor-piercing incendiary rounds.

[peak thistle]

I wasn’t able to watch the stream. Did they mention anything about fire selection for weapons?

[covert finch]

OOOOOOOH I wonder if they'll have "Puff The Magic Dragon"/ AC-47 be a deployable commander asset, akin to a strafing run? They acted like an EARLY version of the AC-130, dropping illumination flares and firing from the side with miniguns.. Could be a great way to suppress other forces

[vivid elm]

6/18 AC-130A shot down in vietnam war equal 45% casualties rate . there are no record number AC-47 shot down in combat...probably because too many

[covert finch]

yeah, just saying it could be a useful commander-deployed ability that would be unique to the era

[olive fjord]

all this talk makes me want to just play rs2 lol

I get the feeling HLL:V wont be able to top it but RS2 just has the curse of low playercount

[vivid elm]

im quite dissapointed about how rs2 dev balance small arms dmg in that game . they use a kind of "balance" that ....heavily favor US weapon : it work like this ... full size rifle round 1 hit kill all body minus arms and leg , mid size rifle round only 1 hit headshot or upper chest part . based on this set up : US m14/m1 garand benefit the most because they all semi auto full size rifle round . you pretty much can random quick tap into any bush , if hit 90% of time you kill enemy . while vc/nva side SKS hardly can do the same because it fire mid size rifle round . the only full size rifle round gun nva/vc have is...mosin bolt action limit by slow rof .

same story with m16 and AK both fire mid size rifle round can't easy one shot kill but the low recoil , more accurate of m16 take all the advantage allow you much easier time hitting target 2 time in a row compare to AK high recoil less accurate.

[shy fulcrum]

rs2 is not call of duty don’t forget

[vivid elm]

i just don't want HLLV repeat the same "balance" rs2 did between m14/garand vs sks/mosin and m16 vs AK

[olive fjord]

I really never had much of an issue with RS2s damage, the only gun I felt was pretty weak at times was the SKS, the damage models being as in depth as they were made pretty much every gun effective

[shy fulcrum]

SKS was a pretty decent choice for me when fighting long distances

[vivid elm]

sks fire mid size rifle round only able to 1 hit kill if hit upper chest or head . while m14 or m1 garand use full size rifle round 1 hit anywhere not legs or arms . allow you random quick tap into any place you think enemy may hide . if hit 90+% time you kill them .

[shy fulcrum]

I always went for headshots and it’s pretty satisfying watching corpses fall

[heady kettle]

Post to sum today's stream? didn't got tagged in that

[maiden lichen]

Its a bit soon to talk weapon balancing, but in my opinion they can make it similar to Hll. Each faction has their own weapons which may differ in looks, scopes, firerate and recoil. The dmg in weapon classes will mostly be identical or very similar. For example the M16 and the AK will both kill one shot on 100m, exactly like the M1 and the kar98 can kill one shot on 200m.

[vivid elm]

also i hope VC faction also get M2 carbine and m1 garand . because realistic speaking soviet/chinese weapon standard issue for VC (not nva) only really common after 1967 1968 . before that time common VC weapon was all over place : from japanese left over arisaka 38, US garand and carbine m2 , to french mat-49 smg , mas-36 both action , mas-49/56 semi auto . thompson , sten gun , BAR , ZB-26 ,Bren gun ...etc

VC weapon international like that also because the north vietnam/chinese/soviet before 67 68 also dump alot of old ww2 weapon captured from french , japanese , germany , chinese nationalist , korean war left over toward VC in south vietnam

while keeping standard issue soviet small arm in the north for NVA

[hallow vale]

Is there a summary of the Q&A anywhere?

Never mind I can afford an hour of my life to watch info about this beautiful game

[plain lake]

I'm popping it up on YouTube now with timestamps

Will be up in like 15 mins I reckon 🫡

[junior leaf]

@plain lake can you make #sit-reps an announcement channel so I can add it to my Servers

[plain lake]

Done

[vivid elm]

please change the AK reload animation like i suggest

[hallow vale]

Pal there’s still a year till the game gets released and all we’ve seen is a trailer I’m sure they will work on stuff a bit more

[vivid elm]

im just quite worry . nearly all fps game have AK-47 use us/western style reload include alot of milsim

[hallow vale]

Tiny features like that aren’t a make or break of the game though. I noticed that the m16 mag in the trailer is 30 rounds, in real life I think it was only 20. Those tweaks can be made subtly when the game has released if needed, they aren’t major USPs of the game.

[hallow vale]

But I do agree that some milsims don’t do too much research into the history and authenticity, but Matt and Kieran really seem like they have been.

[vivid elm]

for me and many other familiar with historical soviet small arms textbook seeing AK have that kind of reload everywhere ...feel very ...Cultural Uncanny Valley . like ....american-chinese food : fortune cookie , deep fried cheese crab ragoon , general tso chicken ...etc almost non-existen in authentic chinese food

[shy fulcrum]

There were 30rds during the war, some guys were completely kitted out with them, other guys used them for first contact then 20rds for sustainment

[fathom shoal]

Thanks Ben!

But what are you doing working this late?

[shy fulcrum]

but generally speaking for like a generic GI they’d be using 20rds

[hallow vale]

oh alright sick i never knew that

[remote verge]

Pics late war

[shy fulcrum]

there were also early types of the 30rds during the war, termed constant curves

"Not all of the flower children were in California" - 1LT T.J. Blue, FO for Co. B 1/35 Inf 1966-1967

[shy fulcrum]

Bobby G. Pruett in 1971~1972 when SOG dissolved into SMF

[shy fulcrum]

closer look at constant curve style

[hallow vale]

what so were they mostly reserved for the sf guys you reckon

[plain lake]

No worries at all ❤️

[plain lake]

No idea lad 😭 Clocking off now for the weekend though 🫡

[shy fulcrum]

I believe most were private purchases since 20rds were just standard issue

and not many people did get around to buying these 30rds

they are just lucky to see during 66 and over, but in the late 60s and early 70s you’ll see them a couple more here and there

[buoyant widget]

7.62 MILLIMETRE

[shy fulcrum]

this is probably around 1968 since they’re wearing gold tiger camo

[trim nimbus]

19 AC-47s were lost, 12 in combat. A total of 53 were sent to Vietnam.

[fathom shoal]

“We have over 100 people at Expression Games”

That’s actually insane.

[vivid elm]

yep not so much milk-run like many people think

[fathom shoal]

Clan support is really cool too.

[trim nimbus]

Still probably whacked a lot of VC in the process.

[buoyant widget]

We need ANZAC uniforms and kit as well

Real

[fathom shoal]

No SLR for you

[vivid elm]

will the game have VC faction or just NVA ? big amount of fun in any vietnam shooter come from VC faction with the ability to use mine , trap , captured US weapon , international weapon supply all sort of ww2 firearm from nearly every know country add tons of variety weapon load out . it will be a pity if the game don't have them .

[maiden lichen]

They said the Focus is more on conventional warfare, then vietcong. I recommend you want to watch the stream yourself.

[neon cedar]

They were in Vietnam also?

[winged scroll]

I figure it's a mix of both, with NVAs tunnels giving more of the VC feel of being in the trees

[plain lake]

There's been a big growth. Had to accommodate 2 dev teams for each game 🔥

[neon cedar]

I hope on it, big hope 🙏

[plain lake]

Focus will be on US (army and marines) vs NVA on launch

[neon cedar]

Somebody asked about Russian language support Ben, in Steam it says there would be no Russian language support in HLLV

[plain lake]

Not sure sorry. Feel free to pop that in the dev questions 🫡

[neon cedar]

Other languages, German, French, Korean is included 😔 for me it’s not principal, I know English but somebody asked me to ask this

[neon cedar]

Ok thanks!

[winged scroll]

You'll have to suffer this one out. As customary to russians.

[vivid elm]

i think if you guy plan large scale battle with vehicles , heavy weapon for both side then ...maybe do the NVA vs south vietnam battle during 1972 "red summer" specially quang tri old citadel brutal battle , central highland assault , operation lam son 719 ? north vietnam really deploy all sort of heavy weapon , vehicles they got there , same as south vietnam .

there are even quite alot of tank on tank combat during this time

1972 called "red summer" by south vietnam truely the time both side engage in massive large scare conventional warfare mass helicopters attack vs AA/SAM , bomb from jet fighter , massive artillery duel from both side , tank on tank combat . large scale mechanical armored assault . you name it , it happen

[cosmic pollen]

I'm so excited for the Marines!

[abstract kraken]

#1408554249524220024 message

[vivid elm]

as vietnamese i can't find any source depict this US PSYOPS trick worked at all in vietnam . because during 65 66 67 68 69 70 north vietnam also under heavily influence by china culture revolution spirit . during that time all the old cultural beliefs such as gods , ghost , ancestral spirits haunting the living all deem as BS + worthless and get rid of by both grovernment and people .

im really don't understand why so many american forgot this important information . north vietnam troops come from ofcouse north vietnam and vietnam is right under china , we got so many support from soviet/china during 60 > 75 also so many political , way of thinking influence BIG PART of that was Culture Revolution Spirit ...during that time our comrade from the north go around burn many old temple to ground , loots all sort of ancient tombs , melt so many old gods and buddha statues to liquid metal for weapon production without any sort of karma fear. and you think some (or alot) of that think/spirit didn't find away into north vietnam society ? ...very funny

[buoyant widget]

Yup

ANZACs were in Vietnam

Mainly in Jungle Greens

[neon cedar]

cool! Would like to see them in game

[buoyant widget]

100% alongside the Americans as well, we mainly used the SLRS or M16s

[abstract kraken]

1970 report from the U.S. Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV) indicated that psychological operations, including Wandering Soul, were credited with increasing surrenders in certain regions, particularly in the Mekong Delta where broadcasts were used extensively.

And several anecdotal reports suggest success of the operation

A 1969 after-action report from the 6th Psychological Operations Battalion noted that in some engagements, VC fighters fired at speakers or helicopters playing the tapes, suggesting the broadcasts provoked a strong emotional response, even if not always leading to defection.

[vivid elm]

im not sure why they deem helicopter running loud speaker in middle of the night getting shot at by enemy combatant as psyops success . truely special american way of thinking

what kind of behavior they expect vietnam soldiers do ?

[dark trail]

I'd shoot a speaker too because that sounds really annoying

[native idol]

Hello everyone, I'm wondering where the developers got their M48 tank information. Specifically, the tank commander's cupola shown in the trailer doesn't match any known cupola used on the M48.

[winged scroll]

im trying to sleep in the jungle and some cnt runs a loudspaker over me

[vivid elm]

also underdog faction alway heavily reward any combatant take down enemy high tech weapon such as ....helicopter . unarmed or lightly armed enemy helicopter with very loud speaker vs heavily armed AH-1 croba ...hmm hard choice which better to shoot at ...

[abstract kraken]

Its also a game and would be fun lol

[shy fulcrum]

some lucky guys got tigers

[celest spire]

wtf is this ai doodoo

[midnight pasture]

Are you bullying me?

[celest spire]

no im just wondering what that video is supposed to be lol

weird black fa18 with an ai generated pilot

and it doesnt have anything to do with vietnam

[midnight pasture]

From a video game AI generated but OK whatever you say

Have a good night sir

[celest spire]

u too

just wondering what the post was about

y it was posted here

not trying to bring u down, just that it probably should be in #off-topic-mess-hall

[rare jasper]

Just release to people now who want to test it for £100 plz

Thanks

[celest spire]

the potential for customization packs will be insane lol

give me a tigerstripe thumper lol

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-coppola-roach-grenade-launcher-gif-21525154

dont actually do that

i mean maybe but dont go crazy with weapon skins plz

[shy fulcrum]

they made one of those for killing floor 2

[celest spire]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kIGYvNCZogk

this is gonna be us in like 1 year

[shy fulcrum]

it worked but not for long basically

it’s a small thing

[celest spire]

i wanna see some toe popper mines

[shy fulcrum]

same thing with operation eldest son, guys would drop rigged weapon caches

worked for a tiny bit but then never again

[celest spire]

love carrying those things in arma 3 sog prairie fire dlc

toe poppers and claymores

[shy fulcrum]

think the toe poppers were called m14s

but it was mostly SF guys that used them I think I’m not sure

claymores would be more reasonable to see

[celest spire]

yea they would just fit in well with normal HLL recon role

[abstract kraken]

Yall better not let "realism" suck the fun out of a literal video game lol

[celest spire]

plus the HLLV recon squad could be special forces guys

[shy fulcrum]

there’s still fun with what was actually done

and what was actually used

[celest spire]

ye but theres levels too it

seeing an m203 mount for an m16 in 1965 is silly, but a tiny 1 pound mine that was technically a special forces weapon being used by normal guys, thats not a big deal imo

[shy fulcrum]

thing is that the m203 was used by normal guys too

them toe poppers not so much

a simple year change makes everything good 👍

[celest spire]

dude u just completely ignored my point lol

[shy fulcrum]

well here’s how I see it

sometimes you don’t wanna give a mouse a cookie

if x is already in the game, why can’t we have y

[random island]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[shy fulcrum]

unfortunately smaller Vietnam games have gone down that road

[celest spire]

do u agree that an m203 m16 vs a toe popper is not in the same ballpark?

[shy fulcrum]

it’s debatable

[celest spire]

whats worse, the wrong model of stuart tank in normandy, or a king tiger during the invasion of france

[shy fulcrum]

again I don’t know much about the toe poppers, I just know only some SF guys got to use them

[celest spire]

german invasion that is

[shy fulcrum]

I have more info on m203s being used by regular army, SF, mercenaries, etc.

[celest spire]

again that wasnt my point dude

[shy fulcrum]

than the toe poppers on hand

[shy fulcrum]

reword it then since this is what I’m seeing atm

[celest spire]

im saying that seeing an m203 that came out in 1969, in 1965 is worse then non SF guys having toe poppers in a vietnam game

just like seeing an mg42 in 1939 is worse then the germans having the shield decal on their helmet in late war battles

[shy fulcrum]

I wouldn’t see it like that then basically

[celest spire]

theres levels of innacuracy that can be tolerated

is my point

[shy fulcrum]

how I see it is not if it is worse or better

I see it as is it correct or not

and how can we work with it

[celest spire]

then i will agree with this guy lol

[shy fulcrum]

:/

[celest spire]

if ur gonna be annoyed and urm ackhually the tiniest thing, ur just annoying

[shy fulcrum]

kinda uncalled for but alright

[celest spire]

ill agree with you on bigger outlying things that are obvious innacuracies

[celest spire]

im not saying you

im saying in general sorry

[shy fulcrum]

I’m talking from all sides of the coin; gamer, game development, and historically

[celest spire]

''you'' as in a collective

sure and ofcourse if they can make the game as accurate as possible then im all for it but im not gonna cry if they say that the toe popper mine works better as a counterpart to the nva version of that weapon

[shy fulcrum]

saying from experience is that once you have something that shouldn’t be in there, people will occasionally want more things that shouldn’t be there because there is already this other inaccurate thing

might as well go all the way kind of thing

[celest spire]

fully agreed but thats why there are levels too it

[celest spire]

no because ppl who think that way are idiots

[shy fulcrum]

unfortunately that’s pretty much a lot of people then

[celest spire]

''this one thing therefor the other thing''

thats like a strawman-ism, ppl who think like that lol

[shy fulcrum]

think of it like this you know

once you add say hk33 copy for navy seals

now they’re gonna ask for the navy seal experimental shotgun

now they’re gonna ask for China lake grenade launcher

and because you decide to go on the road to add all the cool obscure unicorn guns, you have to spend money and time on more of them when it could’ve been spent on something accurate and beneficial to the art and gameplay of the game

[celest spire]

dude i completely see what you are saying and i agree to an extent but when you get down to such small an*l things as the wrong model of mine or the wrong serial number on a truck, i just zone out and at that point a person who complains about stuff like that is an annoying person

[junior leaf]

First Battle Map
Battle of Ia Drang

https://tenor.com/view/napalm-we-were-soldiers-gif-19322017

[shy fulcrum]

what I would rather do

[celest spire]

yes give me a1 skyraider pls

[shy fulcrum]

just find the equivalent

and claymore seems to be the better choice

even the claymore bags were used plentiful

just the bags alone people just carried around

[celest spire]

i agree, all im saying if rules have to be bent a little bit for the sake of balance and fun, im not gonna complain

[limpid sand]

Better to take the time to get it right and implement the correct thing into the game rather than get it wrong and have it be out of place and strange for the rest of the games life cycle

Small details are the difference between a great game and a fantastic game

[celest spire]

u should read more of what i said, cuz i stated above that if the game can be super accurate then thats great, but im not going to hound the devs if they get a serial number wrong.

[shy fulcrum]

like there’s always something else and better to put basically

if you think about it

[limpid sand]

Fair enough

[limpid sand]

Speaking of I wish they never added the “1965” date and just kept it ambiguous

It’s strange that they added a date then had anachronistic weapons and vehicles

[shy fulcrum]

yea if they just put Vietnam and then the location

probably would’ve made us just theorize on the year instead of all the pointing fingers

[celest spire]

my man ive been playing HLL before it came out, ive had so many debates about exactly this topic, and i used to be one of those really an*l guys who wanted everything super correct but ik from experience that those ppl can be very toxic and look for the tiniest things to complain about and make it the biggest deal ever

[shy fulcrum]

I’m sure some of those guys had good intentions but the execution wasn’t good unfortunately

[celest spire]

and kill alot of devs passion

[shy fulcrum]

you won’t see it with me at least since I’m very familiar with this stuff

again on all sides of the coin

even da ridges

[limpid sand]

I mean I’m one of them haha. If it’s small stuff then it’s fine but it gets annoying when the thing either looks ugly or very very out of place like a lot of the recent cosmetics

Speaking of, I wonder how they’ll do them in HHLV

Think they’ll finally update customization to have patches and more in-depth customizing?

[shy fulcrum]

would be cool to see recon guys with their own custom patches

I already know which ones they could use I have some real examples

[limpid sand]

I wouldn’t go that far tbh. I’d keep it to historical unit patches and that’s it

[celest spire]

sure, i can get annoyed at the fact that we still dont have a fallshcirmjäger faction for the carentan map but is it going to kill me if we dont get it? do i overall like that game and can i look past it? yes i can.

[limpid sand]

Freely giving that kind of customization leads to a lot of swastikas and racist symbols

[shy fulcrum]

think of it as a sub faction

say like 4th ID

they had their own recons

in 1969 these guys ran around in south Vietnamese uniforms

[limpid sand]

Oh speaking of I wonder if we’re getting voicelines at all

[shy fulcrum]

even using some exotic rare Korean contracted tigers

[celest spire]

thats a nice thought but imo the devs have no duty to go that far

[shy fulcrum]

from a book I own

[celest spire]

as long as we dont see US army guys round around with marine stuff im happy

if its generally correct then im happy

[shy fulcrum]

my original set

[celest spire]

like my fav vietnam movie apocalypse now gets ALOT of details wrong, but the movie looks good enough and is good enough that i dont want to ruin it for myself and i can look past it

[shy fulcrum]

apoc now probably helped my obsession with tiger uniforms

captain Willard in movie costume poplin tiger uniform

[celest spire]

you can nitpick the fck out of that movie but whats the point? it gets the feeling across perfectly and it looks authentic enough

[shy fulcrum]

same ones used in green berets and deer hunter

[limpid sand]

Like I said, I’d rather the people take the time and get it right rather than get it wrong and potentially cause misinformation

Can’t count the number of times I’ve heard people spread misinformation about WW2 because they saw it in a movie or TV show

[celest spire]

and thats y my constant is that they should change time of the game to 1968 instead of change the kit to 1965

[limpid sand]

Or better yet, have different maps feature different kit

I’d love for each map to feel unique in that regard

[celest spire]

seeing the m203 1 year before it was in use, doesnt bother me nearly as much as seeing it with the first wave of GI's to ever arrive to SEA

3.5 years vs 1 year

one is way worse

[shy fulcrum]

or maybe they can make xm148

stash the m203 for a later update

[celest spire]

eh, id rather them just do battles around 1968 and onward, different kits for each map will take up devtime that can be spent elsewhere

u could have an entire vietnam game set in just 68

[limpid sand]

That’s way to limiting

[celest spire]

ik but im just saying

[limpid sand]

That’s like saying HLL should have only taken place in Normandy

[celest spire]

LOOOL funny cuz that was the initial plan

[shy fulcrum]

they can start with it

[celest spire]

HLL was supposed to be a normandy game

[limpid sand]

I mean yea

It was a terrible plan though haha

They didn’t even bother to have other factions to spice up the gameplay

Litteraly just followed band of brothers and saving private ryan

[celest spire]

yea my point was just that u could in theory set a vietnam game just in 68 cuz of how much happend that year

[shy fulcrum]

yeah

68~69

[celest spire]

but ofcourse id want to have 68 to 72 atleast

[shy fulcrum]

can easily trickle a lot of stuff in

[limpid sand]

Easiest solution is to just have universal kit though so that’s what’s going to happen

[shy fulcrum]

quang Tri, Mekong delta, etc.

so much

[limpid sand]

Allows for all content and more importantly

MORE SKIN SALES

[celest spire]

yea and if that happens at the end of the day i wont be that bothered

[weary sail]

You can get them for free by purchasing battle pass tier skips

[celest spire]

im just happy we are getting a vietnam game

[shy fulcrum]

but then it’s not free…

[weary sail]

[shy fulcrum]

you have to pay… the skips…

[limpid sand]

I’m wondering how the USMC and Marines will be though. Also if we’re going to be getting a south Vietnamese army

Think I’ll need to brush up on my Vietnam history

[celest spire]

they said US army and NVA first

[limpid sand]

Main focus has been WW2 but ‘nam has always interested me

[shy fulcrum]

easier to work with marines probably since they borrow a lot of the ww2/korea gear

the trailer even shows them using the m1955 flak which the USMC guys were running around with

[celest spire]

it would be very easy for them to do the ARVN later cuz the weapons would pretty much just be the HLL: ww2 us weapons lol

garand, m1919, grease gun, springfield, carbine etc

[limpid sand]

I actually met a ranger ‘nam vet and he still had his ammo kit from when he served. Guy used an M1A1 Thompson with 2 5 cell pouches

[shy fulcrum]

Springfield is a stretch kinda

[limpid sand]

Actually got his dress uniform as he entrusted it to me

[shy fulcrum]

funny fact about those

[celest spire]

ARVN used it

[shy fulcrum]

every US guy who had them? probably stole it

from RVN weapon caches

[limpid sand]

I’d laugh my butt off if we get Springfield in V before WW2

[shy fulcrum]

if they did, probably not so much

[celest spire]

? we have the springfield

us sniper role

[shy fulcrum]

the m2 carbine and m16a1s they loved a lot

[limpid sand]

Unscoped

[shy fulcrum]

m1 garands were a little too long for most of them

[limpid sand]

I’ve been fighting people for years against adding it to WW2 so it’s be hilarious if it gets added to V

[shy fulcrum]

but they ran around with those early war

[celest spire]

no reason for us to get that currently as it was barely used by the US army

[limpid sand]

Really? That’s interesting

[limpid sand]

EXACTLY

THANK YOU

[shy fulcrum]

USMC guys never were issued M1A1s

those were supposed to be all for RVN

[limpid sand]

There is exactly one role where it could be added but it’s not even in the game (rifle greniaders)

[celest spire]

and the springfield in Vietnam for the ARVN would be the scoped one too

[limpid sand]

He wasn’t USMC

[shy fulcrum]

but the excuse for tactically acquiring them was because they felt VC would steal them

[limpid sand]

He was a 69th Ranger

[shy fulcrum]

I know I’m just pointing out the reasons why USMC would have them

and it’s probably the same reason why a ranger would have them, nobody was issued those except RVN guys

I also know a CC guy had the drum mag one

he sold it to an armorer

[limpid sand]

Wait sorry not 69th

75th Ranger

[shy fulcrum]

yeah 75th

[limpid sand]

I think he was company E?

[limpid sand]

I have some more of his details somewhere

[celest spire]

ARVN rifle squad

[shy fulcrum]

pls do not use these sheets… they do not reflect actual squads

[celest spire]

it gives the idea

[shy fulcrum]

sounds neat he might have some cool uniforms in the closet

since that’s the transitional period from LRRP to Rangers

[limpid sand]

He did. I got his dress uniforms and his parachute from the war

I don’t think he had his combat uniform anymore though

[celest spire]

my point was they can just copy paste the HLL ww2 US faction and change the uniforms and characters pretty much lol

[limpid sand]

Kek

[shy fulcrum]

yea basically

[shy fulcrum]

rip they are probably worth a fortune now

[limpid sand]

Yea that’s quite litterly a basic US rifle squad minus the Thompson

[limpid sand]

Probably

[shy fulcrum]

I have a few and I’m not letting go…

[limpid sand]

I want to try and visit him again since he had some wild story’s

[celest spire]

''oh you want ARVN?'' ctrl+C ctrl+V ''BOOM theres your ARVN faction!''

[limpid sand]

Guy did 3 tours and had a million Purple Hearts

[celest spire]

need me ANZAC's in the game at some point

crikey

[limpid sand]

Factions is definitely a key topic

I don’t want a repeat of WW2 where it’s just the US and 1 enemy faction

Let’s get some variety in the game

[celest spire]

didnt the Aussies also use the Bren in vietnam? or am i trippin?

[shy fulcrum]

gonna be silly

more Anzac will die in one hll game than in real life maybe

[celest spire]

i mean thats the case in any HLL match lol

[limpid sand]

Maybe when they got deployed early on

[shy fulcrum]

less than 500 were lost in Vietnam

[limpid sand]

I remember a lot of the nato forces used up a bunch of old stock

[celest spire]

i think if like 100+ ppl got blown to literal mush in the battle of carentan, we would have heard about it lol

games will never be able to capture real battles and war

[shy fulcrum]

I can see them making a RUNG SAT SPECIAL ZONE map

[celest spire]

its all about capturing the feeling

[shy fulcrum]

known as the forest of assassins

[celest spire]

and its a game, not real life

[shy fulcrum]

the vc ambushes got so bad all the allied forces in the area decided to focus efforts to wipe them out

[celest spire]

battle of long tan moment

[celest spire]

500 is nothing to sneeze at

[shy fulcrum]

just pointing out the video game vs reality

[celest spire]

my country deployed to afghanistan for 5 years and ''only'' around 1 dozen soldiers died

[shy fulcrum]

then you’d understand why it’s silly to see like 400 of them pass away in a video game

not like it matters, it’s just a video game

[celest spire]

yea

[shy fulcrum]

really one thing you can’t get around with unless you play some kind of skirmish mode

with limited lives and such

[celest spire]

actually nvm it was 5

that we lost in afghanistan

[shy fulcrum]

I see

[celest spire]

anyway

ANZACs

FAL

give. me.

[shy fulcrum]

they be using l1a1s

not the FAL

[celest spire]

....

[shy fulcrum]

British commonwealth copies…

[celest spire]

shut up lol

[shy fulcrum]

there were some guys who’d remove the semi lock tho

so it would bark basically

mostly the SF guys who kitted out their guns

[celest spire]

thats like saying ''urm they arent ak's, they are type56's!''

[shy fulcrum]

well there’s a physical difference

simply just the handguards

[celest spire]

ik but you knew what i meant

[shy fulcrum]

and the internal mechanism

[celest spire]

l1a1, is like u urself said, a FAL

copy

[shy fulcrum]

it’s a copy

yea

semi auto copy

different furniture

[celest spire]

yea so correcting stuff lke that is just uneccesary my guy

[shy fulcrum]

but it’s different despite being a copy

[celest spire]

im just trying to help you out with social interaction, cuz constantly being that specific will have ppl saying ''man ur fun at parties''

[shy fulcrum]

maybe it’s just me because nam is all I look at

o yea flash hider too

almost forgot that one

[celest spire]

its not wrong to mention it but you could say it like ''yea L1A1 is awesome''

[shy fulcrum]

even with type 56 you can name all the differences

[celest spire]

correction without correcting

[celest spire]

ik u can

but you cant do it without sounding like a smarta**

if someone said ''man i love the akm'' while looking at a type 56 then im fully with ya in correcting it

but still probably correcting it in a less poignant way

anyway yea anzacs will be sick

hope we see em

i wanna see arvn too tbf

and VC

i think VC would be a good matchup against the ARVN

in terms of team balance

ARVN did not have nearly as much heavy stuff as the US

[shy fulcrum]

they were lighter and shorter counterparts

but they did try to carry as much as they could

they loved small arms pouches a lot

would take 3 or 4, as much as they can

a generic rvn kit would have 2 small arms in the front, then a third between the canteen covers in the back

[celest spire]

yea i mean as general faction

but thats interesting info

if i dont see my a1 for the US then we must see it for the ARVN CAS

[shy fulcrum]

they do be running around with the m16a1s still, just more ww2/korea weaponry in the arsenal

for RVN

whatever we had, we just tossed it to them

Springfields I believe are the only ones we didn’t send them much of

I dont think springfields saw much action other than the early periods of the conflict

[celest spire]

no no not m16a1

i mean the A1

https://tenor.com/view/a-1h-a-1h-skyraider-skyraider-vietnam-war-gif-7054838885414765106

[shy fulcrum]

o the planes

[celest spire]

yaaa

[shy fulcrum]

they might we’ll just have to see what they have planned for air support and stuff

I don’t know much about the planes and jets

[celest spire]

well i mean if they have any kind of HLL style call ins and they add the ARVN they have to do the A1 Skyraider cuz it was the only attack aircraft that the south flew

[shy fulcrum]

I see

[celest spire]

not as read up on the air assets i see lol

[shy fulcrum]

nope not at all

[celest spire]

finally found something i might be able to outnerd you on lol

[shy fulcrum]

only uniforms and flight suits I know most of

related to Air Force things

[celest spire]

u should look into the airwar in vietnam

especially the A1's

combat search and rescue

[shy fulcrum]

the things I know is mostly the ones across the fence

when they used those planes to fight in Laos and Cambodia

[celest spire]

yup

[shy fulcrum]

because they wanted to wipe out the SAM sites there

all the ones in Vietnam were destroyed at that point

[celest spire]

yea a1 was really good at sustained CAS and it was the main support aircraft during CSAR missions

[shy fulcrum]

USAF guys going sterile under CIA command

known as the Ravens

[celest spire]

thats where they got the nickname Sandy

[shy fulcrum]

sounds neat

I have a couple USAF things in my collection I wish I knew more about the guys who used them

like one of my groupings was a guy who is a Korean era USAF who later served in the Vietnam war

came with his combat log in Korea with a photo of him

[celest spire]

probably my fav nam era aircraft behind the F4

[shy fulcrum]

this the grouping I got hopefully you know more about these

guy was so fancy, got his own tailor made flight suit and shirt with his name and unit direct embroidered

[celest spire]

those TAC patches are sick

[shy fulcrum]

think they’re the ones you put on your shirt and such

[celest spire]

OH WAIT DUUUDE

you have an 8TH patch!

8th TFW!!

WOLFPACK!!

[shy fulcrum]

8th tactical yeah

[celest spire]

Robin Olds himself

thats a very sick item dude

im jelly

[shy fulcrum]

its sad since I don’t know much about usaf history

I can’t appreciate it like you do

[celest spire]

Robin Olds is like the biggest USAF legend ever

triple ace

well officially he isnt

officially hes credited with 13 kills

most of em he got in WW2

[shy fulcrum]

dang

[shy fulcrum]

was he in the pacific

[celest spire]

he lead Operation Bolo

[celest spire]

no in europe

[shy fulcrum]

o okay

[celest spire]

flew p38 and p51

lead operation bolo which ended in the USAF downing half of north vietnams most capable fighter jets

roughly half their mig21 fleet downed in 1 dogfight

and he created the wolfpack squadron which still exists today

[shy fulcrum]

yeah mig kills

[celest spire]

but yea and the other 2 patches belong to some decently prominent squadrons that both flew F4's dduring the war

with mig kills

433rd later flew the f15 but i think they were dispanded in the 90s

same with the 46th

but they flew a10s later afaik

and they became a weapons training squadron

that 8th patch is the most badass tho

[buoyant widget]

7.62 MILLIMETRE

[celest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/full-meta-jacket-angry-gif-11948262

also cant forget about another legend in the wolfpack

Chappie James

Olds right hand man

[neon cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/platoon-elias-tunnel-rat-vietnam-war-gif-22446805

So guys which uniforms abilities gives us Vietnam?

[celest spire]

during the war they got a pretty hilarious and not very PC nickname: ''Black man and Robin''

😂

@shy fulcrum so there, some history about those items u have

[shy fulcrum]

yeah I just have a bunch of stuff and I can’t research them all

this flight suit I got last year I only know that USMC flight crews ran around with these in 63~65

the fabric ended up in tailor shops

so I did manage to also get a tailor made shirt

maybe one of these days I’ll figure out the usaf stuff there’s a lot of things I’m missing out on knowing

I appreciate what you’ve shared

[sharp wyvern]

Yankee papa 13

[shy fulcrum]

yup

[celest spire]

Usaf used alot of greyish blue flightsuits and gear

Then later started going greyish green

U can see it on the pictures of Robin olds that i sent

He was there from 65 to 67 iirc

Usaf pilots often had camo patterns on their helmets too

Or they had them white and often the visor latch was painted blue

[shy fulcrum]

yes I own one of those grey ones

think it’s a K2B type

the camo pattern helmets are custom I believe

[celest spire]

Yes

Default was white

In a flightsim i play i actually made a custom vietnam themed skin for my F4 and for the crew

Based on real refrence

I wonder if there will a precision strike call in and if it will involve a tv or laser guided bomb

Wouldnt be very realistic as they were strategic weapons back then and not used for CAS

But then again same with the stuka

So i would let it slide

https://youtu.be/f1vCkGU6JC4?si=yAJv07lVOxBqKBZ6

This is gonna be the aireal view of every HLLV match lol

[molten rivet]

I've waited so long for a Vietnam game. All my youth years of watching platoon, full metal jacket, apocalypse now are currently being re-lived 😁😁😁😁😁

[olive fjord]

rs2 was right there 💔

[rare jasper]

Im so hyped for this game

Hell Let Loose and the first Battlefield Vietnam are like in my favorite games ever

[oak flint]

does anyone know if this game will have crossplay across ps5 and pc and so on?

[olive fjord]

it wont have console to pc crossplay

[oak flint]

the thing is on steam it does say this:

[olive fjord]

it will have crossplay between playstation and xbox
and for pc steam and other launchers

[oak flint]

which one the original hell let loose it doesn’t say that

[olive fjord]

cross platform as in steam, epic and windows store

[oak flint]

but then it should say that on the original hell let loose too

[lunar wave]

How do i play HLL with a friend?

[oak flint]

which it doesn’t, which confuses me. because it would be a big plus if there was an option to play with ps5 since many of my friends have ps5 and no pc.

[olive fjord]

they probably just never updated it, HLL used to be steam only

devs said themselves in the livestream yesterday it will be the same crossplay as HLL ww2, so no cross platform between consoles and PC

[oak flint]

oof

i do think that could be beneficial tho

since yea i do think a lot of player have friends with ps5s that don’t have pc’s or the other way around and they’d love to play together

[olive fjord]

I get that but I dont think it would be for the best

Console doesnt seem to have any aim assist and Idk if the new game will
so its the paradox of no aim assist gives PC players a huge advantage but with aim assist its somewhat unfair for the PC players now

[maiden lichen]

Depends on your platform.

[young crystal]

theres not gonna be crossplay between Console and PC, only betwen the console variants - and seperately between the PC variants.

[celest spire]

heck no

[tall beacon]

Input-based matchmaking/servers could be an ideal.

[hallow vale]

as with most fps and tactical games pc players have massive advantage- more buttons to press, easier to navigate around the game, aim assist and loads more that would probably make it too unfair for console players to play with pc players

[steady dragon]

Community servers is a must💯

[oak flint]

they could make it so you can turn it on or off if you want to have mixed lobbies or not

lots of games got that

[crude sable]

They said it won’t be cross play between consoles and pc in the Q&A

[oak flint]

😔😔

would be nice tho to have that option i’d love to play w my brother who’s only got ps5

[midnight pasture]

Train me

[celest spire]

tell him to sell the ps5 and get a pc

[oak flint]

😭

[limpid sand]

Why get HLL:V when you can buy fallout new Vegas

[fathom shoal]

#makethecodebaseforthisgamecrossplaysoifwechangeourmindwecanhavecrossplay

[maiden lichen]

The codebase for normal Hll already can support crossplay, only reason we dont got it because the devs doubt its fair.

[fathom shoal]

#thankyouanddisregardtheprevioushashtag

now #allowcrossplayservers

[celest spire]

give me this and my soul is yours Expression!

give me a minigun and a handfull of rockets

[sleek fulcrum]

GET SOME GET SOME

[shy fulcrum]

vitamin war

[midnight pasture]

Do they really hold you accountable for leaving the match early?

[celest spire]

yes, you will get banned

VAC ban on steam

[midnight pasture]

Nah it’s ok I found out

[jaunty belfry]

Charlie don't 🏄‍♂️

[midnight pasture]

True at heart

[dusky spindle]

shut up and take my money

[jaunty belfry]

I think its funny that the hell let loose reddit is being taken over by nam

Nam>ww2

[maiden lichen]

It has been?

Crazy... maybe a new reddit would be in order.

[jade kayak]

Moooore work for me?! 😛

[limpid sand]

100%

A new discord would be nice as wel

[jade kayak]

Nah, we have here.

[maiden lichen]

Discord is easier to seperate than a sub reddit.

[foggy rune]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-is-the-word-surfin'-bird-crazy-dancing-gif-17105066805895143506

[jaunty belfry]

Ive been waiting for a vietnam game since battlefield bad company 2 vietnam dlc

Ive never been so pumped

Never really played pc so didn't get rising storm until last year and the geforce now experience ain't the way to play it lol

[twilit slate]

GeForce Now is great if you live near a data center. I live just north of Chicago and we’ve got one close by and it’s great.

It sucks if you’re not close to one though.

[opaque lantern]

We, my clan, is studying Hell Let Loose videos to learn a new game. Hopefully Hell Let Loose Vietnam has server rentals because we will buy it.

[jaunty belfry]

I bet it will eventually

[opaque lantern]

I haven't bought a battlefield game since 1 because they dropped it. A lot of my clan is ticked off at EA/Dice

I really hope they do 🙂

Seems to be a much more realistic game 🙂

[jaunty belfry]

it's way better

I dont like ww2 but its the best ww2 game there is and I'm sure will be the best nam game there is

[opaque lantern]

I use to play Medal of Honor Allied Assault. I loved that game, still do play it

I don't really go back to 1942

[jaunty belfry]

theres a game call men of valor which was basocally medal of honor vietnam

I wanted to buy it on gog but my pc pooped out

[shy fulcrum]

it’s on steam as well

showed pretty well why the war perspective was different from back home

[jaunty belfry]

made this my phone wallpaper

awesome pic

glad they didnt announce this like 2 or 3 years ahead of time like some devs do

lemme get that beta and 7 day early access for pre order

with apocalypse now cowboy hat preorder bonus

[balmy osprey]

will zombie mode back?

please add Vietcong zombies I missed them in Black ops 1

[jade kayak]

This isn't Black Ops... this is Hell Let Loose.

No zombie mode ever.

[balmy osprey]

what rolling thunder is trying to do to compensate

anyway

what are the minimum requirements for unreal engine 5?

[jade kayak]

🤷‍♀️ dunno

[limpid sand]

AI slop 🤮

[twilit slate]

It’s remarkable how uninteresting anything designed by AI looks.

You just cannot get excited about that art style.

[limpid sand]

Yep

[mint obsidian]

Oh my it’s a joke 💀💀💀

[fathom shoal]

Twas a joke by the lead dev, don’t take that seriously

cheesecake and i brain cells rn

[mint obsidian]

I luv you smoggy

I let you shoot me down

[maiden lichen]

Apparently Jokes arent allowed anymore these days.

[neon cedar]

???

[maiden lichen]

#base-camp message

[neon cedar]

Why we can’t joke anymore

[hallow vale]

because there are people who are sensitive to anything nowdays

[neon cedar]

About what we can’t joke?

[hallow vale]

are you good in the head bro

[celest spire]

had to update my pfp to be more vietnam themed then ww2

[mint obsidian]

Lmao the best part is that you literally made all the words on it 🤣🤣

[fair seal]

Is there going to be a Fal

[celest spire]

if we get the ANZAC's then yea we will probably get the L1A1 slr

but ANZAC's wont be in the initial release

they will probably be a free dlc later

[fair seal]

Tuff

[twilit slate]

There’s a beautiful alternate reality where the L1A1 beat the M14 in the US Army trials and we stuck with high power rifles for the past 60 years.

They went with the M14 for familiarity with the Garand and extreme temp testing but it was rushed and the L1 never got a fair shake. The L1 shorty is a phenomenal weapon.

[celest spire]

ngl i think the m16 would have beat out the l1a1 anyway

Stoners design was too genius once it was proven

if it didnt start being adopted in 1966 it would have been in 1970

ykwim

[normal blaze]

Hell yeah!! Don't forget napalm sticks!

[maiden lichen]

There already were flamethrowers in the Trailer.

[normal blaze]

Indeed. We need to make sure there's burning bodies with flames running around when they get hit.

[sleek fulcrum]

I really hope they somehow implement the ability to blast music from helecopters

Like just make it something that you have a chance of getting on one of the helecopters

[twilit slate]

Local chat + music player of your choice + mic

[cunning pike]

does anyone know when theyll announce hllv release date

[jade kayak]

They have only said 2026.

[neon cedar]

SOME FOLKS ARE BORN

MADE TO WAVE THE FLAG

OOOH THAT RED WHITE AND BLUE

AND WHEN THE BAND PLAYS

HAAAAAIL TO THE CHIEF

OOH THEYRE POINTIN THE CANNON AT YOU LORD

[sleek fulcrum]

I’m more hyped for ride of the valkyries

[celest spire]

6 foot peak!

[tall beacon]

Gimme Shelter

[glacial oracle]

proxy chat

[sleek fulcrum]

Yes and making it so the enemy can hear

[opaque crown]

Where do I go to suggest/report a bug that I have found?

[maiden lichen]

#player-support should be the place for you.

[opaque crown]

Thank you, Couldn't see it

[amber fossil]

Is there a info how much will this game cost?

[vagrant rock]

No

[old trail]

prolly like 60 if i had to guess. maybe 40 if the devs feel nice

[next zodiac]

Soul kitchen and break on through are gonna be playing 24/7 on my chopper

[shy fulcrum]

I would probably pay only up to 25$

[neon cedar]

It were snow in Vietnam?

When it’s gonna be? Is it possible for winter maps for HLLV?

[trim nimbus]

From what I’ve read, it only really snows in the far north of Vietnam, and even then it’s rare. Pretty much all of the fighting in the war took place in South Vietnam, which doesn’t get snow, so there probably won’t be any winter maps.

[remote verge]

slop slop slop

[stray tiger]

HLL vietnam coming out december 31st 2026

[vagrant rock]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[stray tiger]

source : trust me

[vagrant echo]

There wouldnt have been a need for M16 if the FAL T48 won the trials in the 50s.

Im pretty sure the airforce only adopted the M16 because the M14 was woefully awful.

<@&365680483276816385>

^

[near otter]

Give the honeypot a second

[vagrant echo]

Apologies for the ping

[near otter]

No worries its good you did

[vagrant echo]

Seen this one do the rounds a few times the last couple days

Ahhh

Honey pot worked

Mental how people are still dumb enough to think a cancer like Elon Musk is going to give them 2500$

[near otter]

It actually didn't fsr, manually banned them 😬

Honeypot slacking on the job

[young crystal]

I'll just ping @near otter again, so he doesnt start rusting.

[shy fulcrum]

maybe in the high mountains

[celest spire]

nah i still think the m16 would have been adopted eventually, lighter, imc, higher round capacity and ammo is lighter.

[vagrant echo]

Yeah maybe. Theyre both good weapon systems for the environment. The Aussies like the FAL because the heavier round was a bit more reliable in the foliage but they recognised the M16 was way easier to live with

[celest spire]

yup thats y think no matter what the m16 was going to win

[vagrant echo]

Eventually. I dont think it would have been adopted fully if the weapon system it was replacing was actually good.

[celest spire]

thats my point lol

[vagrant echo]

Like a big reason for M16 was that the M14 was crap

[celest spire]

eventually

no matter what

[vagrant echo]

Meh idk. I dont think it would have fully replaced anything. Like the US Military forced through the M16 for a reason.

Any time theyve tried to replace the M16 system and its derivatives there was never the drive to full replacement and actually eventually some regression back to the M16 platform (see SCAR).

Like the only reason intermediate cartrige light rifle/carbine is so popular is because M16 proved to be good and it only got to prove itself because the M14 was awful

Thing is the FAL was a great weapon system for the time

[rotund anvil]

I love the m14 🥺

From the forgotten weapons episode on the m14 he basically explained that it was the procurement/production of the rifle that was bad rather than the rifle itself persay

[vagrant echo]

Thing is a 7.62mm long barrelled rifle is still required. Most NATO and some commblock nations have some form of AR10/HK417 or modernised G3 in the rifle squad or rifle platoon

[mint obsidian]

For a war like ww2 in Europe where the fighting was mainly countryside, it would be a absolutely amazing and effective weapon to use

But for a war in a harsh jungle… not really 😂

That was mainly the issue. Good gun, wrong environment

There’s a reason the weapon system is still used today

[shy fulcrum]

they were not iirc, it suffered similar problems the m14 had in the dense jungle environment

specifically the L1A1s which is what they used in the jungle, not FALs

[vagrant echo]

so the Australians didnt directly replace L1A1s with M16s. they replaced the F1 submachine guns instead. with that ion mind, the L1A1 is perfectly adequate for the vietnam enviroment.

they made the specific choice to have hybrid rifle sections because each weapon system had strengths and drawbacks that complemented eachother.

[fervent compass]

U.S. military switched from the heavier 7.62x51mm to the lighter 5.56x45mm NATO round primarily because the smaller caliber allowed soldiers to carry more ammunition, resulting in more rounds on target in a firefight, and reduced recoil made automatic fire easier to control. Though less powerful, the 5.56mm was deemed sufficient for the majority of close-range combat engagements.

[vagrant echo]

Also worth noting that British SOF in Malasia and Borneo in the 1960s also used SLRs and AR15s in mixed rifle sections

[fervent compass]

the jungle environment did mess with the wood on the m14 making it swell and crack. the magazines rust causing problems: the plastic dust cover didnt help. it was a good gun but not for the tropical environment that was veitnam.

[sharp wyvern]

I really hope the devs mess around with their dynamic weather and we get some of this high mountain jungle mist and clouds

[twilit slate]

Yeah this is why I think there’s a real alternative reality where the L1 wins the trial and US soldiers are using the shorty variant the way Kiwis did in Nam. It was a good rifle. I think the M16 just became too compelling with the lightweight everything though.

[vagrant echo]

Oh some misty jungle dawn maps would be so cool

[trim nimbus]

Really, when you think about it, the M16 was the perfect weapon for the Vietnam War. Light weapon, light cartridge, and devastating effects within close range.

[trim nimbus]

You know, I think a system of foliage disturbance would be kinda fun to implement. Like, if you’re moving around in a bush it should shake around. Maybe if you’re shooting from inside a bush it should rustle a little bit (not a whole lot, just a little). Something like that would make jungle combat very interesting.

[shy fulcrum]

yes but they used m16s when they could

[spare flare]

The US soldiers had a tendency to complain about the new rifle only for the next gen to simp for it

Marine first doubted the M1 Garand reliability and instead chose M1903

When they introduced the M16, the Marine once again backtracked to the M14

And when every mf was using M4 or whatever, they were using M16

It just a never ending cycle

[shy fulcrum]

there’s truth in everything

[mint obsidian]

Exactly

[mint obsidian]

In my opinion, the best weapon system of the time (next to the Ak-47 ofc)

The FAL is everything that needs to be in a weapon system crafted and catered perfectly together. For the time, it was a revolutionary design

[spare flare]

FNC is the best weapon system

when u think about it the M16 is basically just a STG44

and the AK-47 is just M1 Garand but reverse

[mint obsidian]

…

Ok 👍

[mint obsidian]

I would more say the AK platform is a combination of both the m1 garand and stg-44 operations

And the m16 series, if you really wanna go down the rabbit hole, was inspired by the ar-15, which was inspired by the ar-10, which is somewhat a mixture of the FAL and Stg-44 systems. Stoner and all his early Armalite designs bless you 🙏

[vagrant echo]

To replace submachine guns

[shy fulcrum]

was a preference occasionally

if there was access

SF aussies used M16s more

[vagrant echo]

If we are going for best ever then the AR180 is the best. The AR180s action, bolt and bolt carrier group has been used in so many rifles

[vagrant echo]

Over the FAL there really wasnt. There are not accounts that frame it that way

[shy fulcrum]

again both the l1a1s and FALs in Rhodesia suffered the same problems the m14 had

it is quite overhyped

for dense jungle combat

[vagrant echo]

First hand sources dont support that and the Rhodies love it specifically because it cut through the dense bush vegitation

[mint obsidian]

Still better than the m14 and m16 for the conditions. And functioned more reliably in the jungle combat

by atleast most accounts I’ve seen or heard

[shy fulcrum]

it did not

[vagrant echo]

Most of the Hype for the M16 and its platforms are just american glazing tbh. Theres a reason most NATO nations didnt adopt it and still are not adopting it.

Better weapon systems have been made like HK416 or MCXs.

[shy fulcrum]

there’s a reason why the furniture was ultimately replaced

if the scale of FAL was used during Rhodesia around the same scale as the m16a1 during Vietnam, there would be plenty more first hand reports on why it wasn’t as good as people say it was

[vagrant echo]

You can say the same thing about the AK lol and yet people dont. The same way they dont complain about the wooden furniture on the FAL

[shy fulcrum]

can’t say the same about the AK because it’s not the same systems

[vagrant echo]

Youd also have more proportionally positive opinions too because that ratio of good and bad stays the same

[mint obsidian]

I would like to see that put to the test, I feel it would fair much better than both those weapons in mud, humidity, and without proper care

[shy fulcrum]

:/

I am hoping the delusion is satirical

[vagrant echo]

“Wooden furnature bad in jungle” okay so AK is all wood and has less treatment lol. Dont change your semantics because you cant apply some logical consistency

And the AK suffered just as much as any other weapon system too btw. Just westerners like to glaze that too

[shy fulcrum]

yea the AK wood would warp just as much as the l1a1s/fals in jungles

[mint obsidian]

Don’t get me wrong, the m16a1 was a great weapon and absolutely changed the firearms industry. Its just not that reliable if not properly taken care of in a harsh wet and muddy environment

[shy fulcrum]

we know better now… don’t play dumb like this

[mint obsidian]

lol you’re a riot 😂

[vagrant echo]

M16s still suffer from reliability in poor conditions. Its specifically one of the complains the Ukrainians have made about it

[mint obsidian]

I am going to sleep, but, if I’m taking any weapon into the jungles, it’s gonna be the right arm of the free world 💪

[shy fulcrum]

all I’m saying is that the praise the FALs and L1A1s got is straight up overhyped

[vagrant echo]

They performed great in every conflict theyve been used in. M16s havent

[shy fulcrum]

ar15 platform sure has issues but you can’t disregard the facts despite that

[shy fulcrum]

me when I lie

[vagrant echo]

Me when i can read some first hand soldier accounts

[shy fulcrum]

yeah anyone can read

it’s a no brainer if you don’t keep your gun clean it’s not gonna work at its best ability

all I’m saying is that you cannot ignore these issues and call it a day

otherwise you’re not being transparent, you’re being bias

that’s why I see it as delusion

[vagrant echo]

FAL doesnt have these complaints from the ones that are being used in Ukraine.

[shy fulcrum]

Ukraine modern day versus Rhodesian jungle

irrelevant actually

that’s why it’s delusional to compare

[vagrant echo]

“ i dont like the data so ill ignore it”

[shy fulcrum]

that’s literally what you are doing

I’ve acknowledged there are improvements already

I’m not taking about the improvements of today

I’m talking Vietnam

Vietnam War Vietnam Era

remember what I said

it suffered the same issues the m14 had in dense jungle combat

I didn’t say it suffered in urban/open field combat like Ukraine

nor did I even talk about modern FALs other than the fact the furniture was an improvement

[vagrant echo]

Im not? Ive maintained a pretty consistent “both have bennifits and flaws that compliment eachother” which is proven because anytime M16 could be used by commonwealth forces it was used in conjunction with FALs and was never a replacement. This is supported by the actual soldiers accounts,

[shy fulcrum]

see you’re still going in circles

[vagrant echo]

It didnt. FAL has a far better action that is less susceptible to ingress of dirt and mud than M14. That is just a fact

[shy fulcrum]

okay man guess how I got the idea that the l1a1s and fals suffered in dense jungle combat

if you read like you say you read, maybe you’d know where I came up with it

[vagrant echo]

M16 glazing lol

[shy fulcrum]

see? straight delusional

[vagrant echo]

Sarcasm actually

[shy fulcrum]

I acknowledge the m16 has issues

I acknowledge all the problems

you are simply bias

you don’t acknowledge the facts

only the ones you like

[vagrant echo]

Read the first bit of this again. Keep reading it until you understand

[shy fulcrum]

naw I’m not gonna read that again, you’ve already thrown it out with the last sentence

the soldier account says x

the ones I read also says y

both are not false

I’ve had this convo with the m16s already, all soldier accounts are valid, they’re the ones who actually used them

all guns have pros and cons dude, I’m just saying to acknowledge them, that’s history

[vagrant echo]

Again - read

[shy fulcrum]

🤷

[shy fulcrum]

.

[shy fulcrum]

.

if you can’t see what I’m showing then it’s on you dawg

[vagrant echo]

Sealed up actions like FALs or AR15s deal with ingress of first far better than actions where locking recesses are uncovered or exposed like Garands and M14s. That is just a fact.

[neon cedar]

Scream if you love Vietnam! 🇻🇳

[pallid forum]

🤐

[spiral edge]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-happy-gif-14842488

[vagrant echo]

I am pretty stoked. Wont have the crappy stuttering as you do with HLL WW2

Was playing last night on carentan and oh boy. Infuriating getting stutter

[rotund anvil]

Net code engineers should've figured out 2000v2000 battles already

[young crystal]

Clearly

[lament elbow]

Nothing less than the best 😏

[maiden lichen]

Star Citizen Players like this idea

[midnight pasture]

:

[winged scroll]

Hexagon-grid FPS where you can either move, turn or shoot once per second

[rotund anvil]

Look up Starship database.
Pretty interesting stuff

[cold vortex]

how many players actually interact in sc

[upbeat tulip]

Very new clan need help building discord

[spring steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1408798551714300024

If you want HOTAS support in Vietnam, say so!

[lament badge]

I can't wait to blast fortunate son through the mic while riding the gunship yellin "GIT SUM"

https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-jacket-get-some-door-gunner-vietnam-war-shooting-gif-14754393188104690097

[harsh swallow]

u mean the song from the wrangler commercial?

[lament badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV4Q-RSQCq0&list=RDqV4Q-RSQCq0&start_radio=1

[jaunty belfry]

one thing I hope is that the aiming control is better in Vietnam than HLL

[lament badge]

thats risky waters your floatin in there

i often wonder if controller aim assist is why i get spotted in the grass sometimes

[fathom shoal]

It’s called getting bigger cables

[unkempt oracle]

If you're on PC, no, because you're not playing against console players. You're just able to spot people in grass with any amount of elevation and also grass just doesn't load past a certain distance

[lament badge]

that makes me feel better about controllers but as for the grass rip haha

[remote mountain]

we got a confirmed date yet?

[young crystal]

2026

[jaunty belfry]

There is no aim assist

[twilit slate]

There isn’t? Did they remove it? Definitely have it on PS5. You have three settings, low medium and high assist.

The reticle will slow when you drag across targets.

[jaunty belfry]

Hmmm. I've never checked but also have never known any tac shooters to have aim assist. I'll check next time I'm on. If that's the case that's stupid

Aim assist is for runny jumpy kid shooters

Hmm a Google search says it does. That's disheartening but it also seems non existent whatever mine is set to

By controls better i just mean idk smoother? Like if you play insurgency sandstorm and then HLL the aiming control is wonky. Im not saying to have aim assist. Only game that's worse aim wise is console DayZ.

[jade kayak]

Google search or Google AI? 🤭

[jaunty belfry]

Google search brought up reddit with several threads

Either way I've never been so excited for a game

[vagrant rock]

Fun random fact, if you are using Google search and want no AI results, type "-ai" at the end of your search inquiry in the search bar

[jaunty belfry]

I just checked and I have aim assist off that's why lol

It messes up leading shots imo

I cant wait to run through the jungle

https://youtu.be/_7PUPNxsRQ0?si=4GzKc3cSmvhTeLXu

[limpid sand]

One of the best Vietnam songs imo

Got that song on vinyl

[twilit slate]

The game has aim assist… just open the settings… you don’t need google for that.

Anyway gyro aim is superior to anything else.

[jaunty belfry]

anybody remember battlefield bad company 2 vietnam dlc? those were the days

thats what started my vietnam obsession

best setting and period imo

i need more HLLV footage in my life

[celest spire]

stop being so negative Sam, enjoy life a little bit

[celest spire]

RS2 did it for me

and obviously the movies

[jaunty belfry]

I bought rs2v like the year or 2 after it came out and refunded after like 5 minutes cuz I thought it looked terrible and I kept getting killed by people I couldnt see lol. bought it last year again and its great. but I have to play using geforce now so its not ideal(input lag)