base-camp

[maiden lichen]

First One!!

[eager sparrow]

Second!

[jade kayak]

Hello hello

[celest spire]

omagawd

[hollow trench]

hello!

[proper salmon]

Hi

[lapis meteor]

6th

[compact olive]

Oi

[random island]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

Hyped for this one

[terse umbra]

9th

[upbeat horizon]

HLL giving people what they wanted?

[raw monolith]

Here we go again

[random island]

Maho already Planning strats

[raw monolith]

😉

[fathom shoal]

hi guys

[odd monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/gentlemen-prepare-defend-yourselves-gif-14014625

[random island]

6 Maps on release is Not Bad

[maiden lichen]

Ey guys

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3079210/Hell_Let_Loose_Vietnam/

Steam

Hell Let Loose: Vietnam

UNLEASH HELL IN THE JUNGLE
Enter the explosive conflict of the Vietnam War and fight your way through some of the fiercest clashes in modern history. Join the battle raging across an extreme landscape of vast mountain gorges and thick jungle, where the North Vietnamese Armies clash with the military strength of the US Armed Forces. Build tunnels,…

Release Date

2026

▶ Play video

The steam page is live and they list the new roles.

They list helicopters

[random island]

Vietnam Can Build Tunnels wait what? 👀

[tall beacon]

Unreal Engine 5

[odd monolith]

Ability to drive the patrol boats is also mentioned!

[random island]

No Crossplay

[proud vault]

I hope the tunnel digging mechanics remain somewhat simple yet fun as in something like Deep Rock Galactic but more grounded lol

I guess the shovels will be useful for other things outside bonking your enemies lol

[rare jasper]

I need this right now i hope it fill the void the firs battlefield vietname left

and HLL has been one of my top 10 games of all time

[random island]

So US gets Choppers but Vietnam Not. Really Hope the Balance will be Right and fair

[rare jasper]

Is there a rought ETA for it

[proud vault]

2026 is all we know

[rare jasper]

🙁

[proud vault]

I bet it'll drop on Q3/Q4

[supple root]

Yeah the helicopters Vietnam famously used extensively…

[random island]

I Talked about Balance

[supple root]

Thats what the tunnels are for

[rare jasper]

I hope this is a vision of things to come i always wanted a modern HLL too, i love Squad but id also love a Squad that plays like HLL

[supple root]

Did you ever play Rising Storm 2?

[random island]

1 Team Air Support the other don’t, doesnt Look fair imo

[proud vault]

ikr

[rare jasper]

Well Helicopters can see undergroud so build tunnel and hide and pop out with RPG

[proud vault]

vietnamese should at least get access to light Soviet helos like the Mil Mi-1

[random island]

1 in the air and the others in Tunnels stalemate. Can See Problems here Gameplay wise

[rare jasper]

Im sure they have thought about it dont worry

[random island]

I really Hope so

[proud vault]

this game could either be very good or a total disaster

[supple root]

So you just never played Rising Storm 2?

[jaunty mural]

Hell ya boys

[random island]

I did doesnt matter tho. Hell Let loose is a Complete diff Game

[proud vault]

pls change the name of the game to HLL 1942

[random island]

Pack youre bags the Chopper is waiting

[supple root]

Vietnam game with tunnels and helicopters, I wonder how that will play out, its definitely never been done before

[sharp sun]

where it says 2026 just assume 2027 and then if its delayed its not a disappointment

[supple root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1149430154851004498/1186887696774336552/togif.gif

[random island]

So? It still isnt hell Let Loose

[supple root]

No you’re right its not, its Rising Storm, which did it right, and T17 is likely going to follow a very similar trajectory for the game mechanics.

[random island]

Yup. But im somewhat positiv because they Are Building it from the ground up

[random island]

We will know if they Release Gameplay

Im Not Gonna sit here and say its Gonna be like RS if I don’t see Gameplay first

[supple root]

Exactly. That said, giving Vietnam, either PAVN or VC helicopters when they basically werent used, makes no sense. SA6s would make more sense as a commander ability

Use SA6s to deny air mobility in crucial moments, could determine winning or losing the game

Not SA6, SA3

[proud vault]

you'll need a very delicate balance for that kind of gameplay to work right

[supple root]

Worked fine in RS2 🤷🏻‍♂️

That was for Napalm/Spookys, but since those likely wont be in the game as player controlled aircraft, lump helos in with commander aircraft, and use it to turn the tide

Just give it a proper cooldown

[proud vault]

tbh I expected them to just reveal the new Eastern Front map

[supple root]

I expected Pacific before Vietnam tbh

[proud vault]

true

[supple root]

Pacific into Vietnam wouldve been the logical route imo

[jaunty mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251757894269931561/1407799262938533929/attachment.gif

[maiden lichen]

Honestly that would be reallly funny.

[neon cedar]

Cu - Chi - system of tunnels which was built by Vietnamese partisans during WW2, and Vietnam war. They used it

[edgy moth]

GUYS SOON IN HUEY !!!!!

[dusky spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/huey-gif-22064960

hype

[chilly aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-hanoi-ho-chi-minh-saigon-ha-long-bay-gif-15057056635555415834

[winged scroll]

Helicopter having a gunner class seems odd, why not just have a crewman do it? And what does the crewman do, take the stick when the pilot is shot?

ah, gunship?

[eternal forge]

i have only one qestion ... Do you need testers ? 😄

[chilly aspen]

i want to fly in a chopper with richard wagner like in Apocalypse Now

[dusky spindle]

blast fortunate son

[dusky spindle]

same

[analog cove]

Ha, implement Guns a Go Go. Chinooks with a whole bunch of machine guns 😄

[chilly aspen]

there will be 100% videos with 60 kills in chopper and not get shoot down once

[winged scroll]

Or those gun trucks. Maybe the mystery modes are something like convoys or spec ops 👀

[dusky spindle]

"best trap setup for free kills"

[neon cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/war-gif-13170560

[eternal forge]

this is not Bf ... you dont have 3rd view, so moving it in crazy maners like in other games is probably not that easy as you expecting .

[dusky spindle]

hell yeah

[dusky spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE03Lqm3nbI

[chilly aspen]

there are people with 50 kills playing panther and dying not once

[dusky spindle]

i want some radio thing on the hueys to blast music extra loud

[uncut kraken]

Dang

[eternal forge]

well it depens on people on server. What you expect if you team is pushed to the corner of map nonstop spawnkill and no one care to shoot the tanks ? or just ignoring the tank in the match ... i see it countles times . People grab Anti-Tanker and then dont care about the tanks 😄 Its all about team work

[hardy swallow]

We gonna have the spooky as a call in? 😈

[eternal forge]

New ptsd unlocked 😄

[hardy swallow]

“Fear the reaper” if you’re playing as the VC/PAVN

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/jungle-welcome-vocalist-band-gif-7617009

Welcome all. I cannot wait to share more info with you in the coming months ❤️

It's going to be fun

[wary kite]

I just want a Bell AH-1 Cobra 🥺

[random island]

Better be Not at the end of 2026

[dusky spindle]

are there going to be planes?

[analog cove]

Did they actually say whether helicopters will actually be able to be flown? I saw that the river boats will.

[dusky spindle]

december 31 23:59

[eternal forge]

I just found out and the first thing i was thinking was like .. hmm how to get in beta testing 😄 cuz i wanna play it right now 😄

[hardy swallow]

Helis have a crew yes they can

[dusky spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-war-vietnam-rising-storm2-we-were-soldiers-landing-gif-21199276

yes, and able to transport troops

[cunning mica]

is it a add on DLC or a new HLL game?

[hardy swallow]

New game

[near otter]

Separate game

[dusky spindle]

same!

[eternal forge]

new game

[plain lake]

Yessir

[cunning mica]

will that mean that the maps are larger?

[dusky spindle]

were so back

[hardy swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

Ben out here

[dusky spindle]

it will prolly be like transport truck in current hll

[plain lake]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[eternal forge]

but wont that be like much advantage for the US ? curious about the counter measure for enemies ... if one team can just fly trough the hole map when they wanna then it would be easy no ?

[near otter]

More HLLV news coming up on the FGS stream soon 👀

[frozen mango]

One team can fly through the whole map, the other can fly through holes in the map

[plain lake]

We’ve introduced a range of features that give players fresh ways to fight, counter the enemy, and outmanoeuvre opposing forces. Can't wait to share them with you!

[dusky spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[eternal forge]

okay you hooked me completly 😄 take my money 😄

[hallow vale]

I’m exciteddddd

[dusky spindle]

fr

[hardy swallow]

Rising Storm did it about the same I wouldn’t worry to much about the balancing aspect the tunnel system will be useful

[dusky spindle]

do we know how much itll cost?

[eternal forge]

well yea if one fly on the sky the other dig tunels 😄 so there is balance in terms of quick redeploy nad much more maneuverability

[plain lake]

We'll annonce all details of that in the future dw

[turbid leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-vietnam-gif-7313253380193443565

[hardy swallow]

Very pumped about PBRS “River Boats”

[hallow vale]

Will there be any playtesting?

[dusky spindle]

closed beta stuff very early access?

[plain lake]

Get your questions into the devs #1407789105768698007 😄

[jaunty mural]

Say they word I’ll happily test again

[dusky spindle]

already did

[plain lake]

plans will be announced later down the line

[dusky spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[hallow vale]

I will pay you for me to test the game more than happily 🙏🏻

[dusky spindle]

fr

is there going to be gameplay on the stream on friday?

[mint obsidian]

@plain lake can we get a Vietnam history chat?

[hallow vale]

This, GTA VI, first light 007, and elder scrolls 6 all in 2026 is gods work

[hallow vale]

There is

[mint obsidian]

Heh

[dusky spindle]

where

[mint obsidian]

Oh shoot

[hallow vale]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1407788695662231734

[dusky spindle]

no access 🙁

[maiden lichen]

Cheesecake, uninformed as ever...

xD

[mint obsidian]

It’s not there lol

[hallow vale]

I sent it

[dusky spindle]

dont have access tho

[hardy swallow]

My biggest question will we be able to build Firebases on capture points 😂 👀

[mint obsidian]

Yeah I went through everything it won’t let me 😅

[hallow vale]

You need to get the role of Vietnam History I’m guessing

Go to channels and roles scroll all the way down click yes

[dusky spindle]

how tho

[wise mirage]

Welcome back Rising Storm 2

[random island]

We still getting News on the Stream about HLL?

[dusky spindle]

i dont think so

[mint obsidian]

I already have lol

[dusky spindle]

but there will be a stream on friday

[hallow vale]

Well you don’t have the role

[dusky spindle]

select, unselect

worked for me

[winged scroll]

Had to click out and back again to get it, same

[mint obsidian]

I had to deselect, leave, then reselect

[plain lake]

https://discord.com/channels/316459644476456962/1407788695662231734

[mint obsidian]

Sry Ben I’m stupid

[jaunty mural]

I did the thingy but it didn’t give me the role

Mod halp

Need Vietnam history role

[hallow vale]

select unselect

[dusky spindle]

go to channels & roles, scroll down select unselelsc

[frozen mango]

Add it in id:browse

[dusky spindle]

unselect, select

[jaunty mural]

Third time was a charm

Ty

Love you all

[dusky spindle]

is there going to be better tank mechanics?

[mint obsidian]

Guys… we’re getting the pacific, Vietnam is in the pacific theater 😦😦😦😦

BEFORE GTA 6 🫨

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[dusky spindle]

fr

[mint obsidian]

Honest this is better than any pacific thing on earth

[dusky spindle]

yeah

[mint obsidian]

Because I get the m2 carbine

[dusky spindle]

others are haters

[dusky spindle]

copter

[peak thistle]

Really hope there will be a fire mode selector for certain guns in HLLV

[dusky spindle]

for sure will be

[plain lake]

I'm clocking off for the night folks. Welcome to the #base-camp Can't wait 🫡🔥

[peak thistle]

Night 💤

Super hype for HLLV. Looking good so far

[dusky spindle]

same

[mint obsidian]

Necessity

[stable smelt]

campaign mode like RS2?

[dusky spindle]

no capmaign

[neon cedar]

Moderators, can you add me to Vietnamese history please, I can’t find this role

[jaunty mural]

Go to channels and roles

Turn off the history role.

Close menu

Reopen menu

Click on history role

[neon cedar]

Thanks who added me

[old fossil]

So does this mean the end of HLL development and a pivot to HLL:V?

[potent berry]

nope, they said so in #telegrams

[vagrant echo]

(leave the server and rejoin)

[tall beacon]

Game description says there are 4 more game modes besides Warfare and Offensive.

[odd monolith]

Full list of roles

[twilit slate]

I’m going to need an Ia Drang map for US Army vs NVA

[coarse spade]

We need to be able to climb trees

[hardy plover]

Please have Aussies in this game as I want to battle the NVA at the Battle of Long Tan

Aussie Faction please

[coarse spade]

I also hope there’s Hueys and other helicopters bc being dropped in with a squad on a heli would be peak

[next zodiac]

Is there any gameplay besides the trailer?

[jagged plaza]

Why are they making helicopter Crews a seperate squad? Just change tank crew to vehicle crew or something. Seems needlessly complicated, I doubt it's to maintain accuracy of uniforms or anything like that

[coarse spade]

I think that’s fair, though would there only be helicopters for the Americans? So I’m not sure how that evens itself out for the NVA

[tall beacon]

US gets choppers, NVA gets to dig tunnels

[jagged plaza]

The game description on Steam says helicopters are only for Americans, but if helicopter squads are a separate squad type, do VC helicopter squads just act like infantry or something? Or is that squad type not available for them? I don't really know.

Kind of just gives more credence to the idea that there should just be vehicle crew squads, not seperate for vehicle types.

Maybe they have something crazy in the works that will make perfect sense once we see the game though

[coarse spade]

Maybe they’ll have a better advantage against infantry? Like I mean being able to place traps around the place, climb trees, etc.

[chrome hare]

man I can't wait to spend my nights gaming in vietnam like years ago i did in rising storm 2, its gonna be siiiick

I only wish if there was some way the both games could have 1 Unified server browser and depending on which server you queue and get accepted, the corresponding game launches

that will make wonders for the population and accesibility to get into both games

[vivid elm]

as vietnamese player i think HLL vietnam isn't a good choice for dev team . the game will fall into the extractly problem with rising storm 2 vietnam : ............nobody gonna want to play the weaker side doesn't have tank , aircraft , helicopter , attack boat , low recoil auto rifle ...lead to nearly 900/1000 game you play fall into either non-stop lope side battle where people just quit when they auto match into weaker side

[shy fulcrum]

in the trailer it shows the PAVN

which does has tanks

the game description says NVA not NLF

[vivid elm]

yes but they not gonna have helicopter , AC-130 , call-in jet fighter bombarment rain hell down enemy head like the US that gonna be a huge auto quit red flag for many players

[shy fulcrum]

i think they have a decent selection of air support

at one point the chemical teams of north vietnam would mix WP into their arty, one of the rare chemical attacks that people believe north vietnam never did

i remember looking at the bodies of the arvn guys all withered up and uniforms destroyed

they have 2 years to do the proper research and to balance the game out

[maiden lichen]

Helicopter are confirmed to be only US. https://store.steampowered.com/app/3079210/Hell_Let_Loose_Vietnam/

Steam

Hell Let Loose: Vietnam

UNLEASH HELL IN THE JUNGLE
Enter the explosive conflict of the Vietnam War and fight your way through some of the fiercest clashes in modern history. Join the battle raging across an extreme landscape of vast mountain gorges and thick jungle, where the North Vietnamese Armies clash with the military strength of the US Armed Forces. Build tunnels,…

Release Date

2026

▶ Play video

Look at the steampage

[shy fulcrum]

can also use SAMs in laos

i believe America destroyed all the SAMs in vietnam at one point

[vivid elm]

i don't have much hope in rising storm 2 the vietnamese side get long CD and very inaccurate artillery strike which miss almost every time while US airstrike , fire bomb , artillery alway pin point accurate . and because US have 3 type of fire support they alway enjoy better fire power

[shy fulcrum]

but couldn't finish the job in laos

[shy fulcrum]

idk i play a lot of rs2 i find a lot of the sweats playing on the VC/NVA side because they know all the spots and know when to use counter measures when it comes to US air support

the vietnamese arty hits harder than the US arty

[vivid elm]

it very rare to get a skilled players willing to stick with weaker side in multi player shooter game . that not gonna make anything better

[shy fulcrum]

the aussie arty is also hard to use occasionally

[shy fulcrum]

its not rare in rs2 thats the thing, and i feel people will like playing nva if properly made

either way i dont wanna speculate too much about which side is gonna have it better than the other because not everything is out to see yet

always a way to tweak the game while still following history

[celest spire]

been watching the trailer and analyzing it, few things i like and dont like: love that the main rpg seems to be the rpg-2 and not the 7. NVA will have a db shotgun which is sick! However dont like that the m16s in the trailer all have 30 round mags, should be 20s

[shy fulcrum]

they shouldn't have a db shotgun tbh

unless its a special french civilian one

but they're pavn

why would they have that

[celest spire]

and T17 please ditch the 1965 thing, most of the things in the trailer didnt enter service until 1968 and onward

flak jackets, what looks like m16a1's, m203 gl etc etc

[vivid elm]

also i notice a problem with semi-milsim vietnam shooter . there are 3 gun meta : 1 full rifle round gun : 1/ m14 caliber or similar 1 hit kill all unless arms or legs , 2/ Intermediate round rifle with low recoil easy to control : m16 only 1 hit if being hit on body upper part (chest area) . 3/ close range smg/shotgun . this setting fked over soviet style weapon and give US weapon system huge advantage . AK is high recoil Intermediate round mid rate of fire , m16 is low recoil easy to spray and control which perfectly suit for rarely 1 hit kill round . m14 or garand is full rifle round alway 1 hit kill full body , while SKS is Intermediate round and still semi auto , mosin is 1 hit but bolt action . in rs2 players can random spray m14 (20 round twice ammo count vs sks) and get kill while very hard to get the same result with sks or mosin ,

[shy fulcrum]

yea thats all later in the war

thats just how it is irl man idk how else you'd balance it

[celest spire]

m203 entered service in 1969 and was still very rare in vietnam, almoast unheard of in regular army units

[shy fulcrum]

by 71 you'll see plenty more

the xm148 was in country by then tho

people were still using those

they weren't big fans of it but they used them

[celest spire]

yea thats more accurate

and just the good ol m79

[shy fulcrum]

yup

[vivid elm]

that why i must said vietnam shooter semi-milsim is very bad choice the really hard to balance . the game most likely will suffer same problem like rs2 nobody want to play the side with less fire power and worst weapon

[shy fulcrum]

can have the full sized or sawed off version

from what ive seen the sawed off is a common mod, not a SOG only thing

[celest spire]

id say full sized, sawn off was more of a MAC-V thing afaik

[shy fulcrum]

rs2 doesnt have the problem thats the thing

[shy fulcrum]

if you mean SOG no

it was not a SOG only thing

it was a surprisingly common mod

[vivid elm]

it had even during peak time

[celest spire]

oh fair enough i guess

[shy fulcrum]

ive played since beta bruh people are not dumb

[lethal mesa]

Do we know if HLL1 dev is done now or are they gonna do both or is it a different team?

[celest spire]

but the sawn off one is cursed so plz no

[celest spire]

different teams

[shy fulcrum]

sawn off one was just better for storage and all sorts of reasons

[celest spire]

no indication of HLL1 stopping

[lethal mesa]

Thx. Makes sense.

I do hope that HLL1 can get in on that updated UE5 engine like HLL:V if anything

[celest spire]

i suspect HLL1 will still be very popular as vietnam is way more niche

[shy fulcrum]

people will look

as long as the art is good people will give it a try

[celest spire]

oh 100%

[lethal mesa]

I'll give it a try. be cool if they get some licensed music to play on your boat while you're looking for Charlie

[shy fulcrum]

but i hope the 1965 year is switched to a later year

[prime sky]

will there be traps the nva can create that can be covered up to kill usgi?

like bamboo traps

[vivid elm]

then you probably bias , i just state the fact . there are reason the game quickly sink even thought so much hype from beginning . most player aren't skilled tryhard they are not gonna stick round suffer with worst weapon , less fire power watching enemy helicopter , better tank/armor , jet power roll them over every match

[celest spire]

yea 1965 is just dumb, if they wanted to do that there should be m14s, m1919s, BAR's and grease guns everywhere

[vivid elm]

that the reality of vietnam semi-milsim shooter

[shy fulcrum]

maybe bias? idk i put 600+ hours into rs2 and played with thousands of players by now, i always felt the VC side had the upper hand with all the guns they get to play with and already being embedded into the areas we attack most of the time

[shy fulcrum]

it would be more than that

[celest spire]

yea not to mention we might see things like the zsu-23 for the NVA

[shy fulcrum]

just strange to see everyone and their mama wearing flak jackets and 30rd m16a1s

[celest spire]

ik ik

[shy fulcrum]

the doctrine for 30rds was for first contact, then 20rds for sustainment basically

[lethal mesa]

curious what classes and whatnot there'll be. and how mortars will be implemented.

[shy fulcrum]

some guys got to use 30rds plenty but those are the special op guys

[vivid elm]

you probably play in long time famous server where most player aren't noob and know how to do stuff , that not the idea way to attract new player and keep the game popular .

[shy fulcrum]

which i dont think the game can cover

[shy fulcrum]

but ive played when everyone was a noob

and played when everyone is too good

[celest spire]

HLL is a much bigger scale game then rs2 so we might see the NVA have air support of some degree and maybe even zsu-23 shilka and or sams

shilka would be good to counter helicopters

[shy fulcrum]

strella is an option

sams are an option

etc.

[celest spire]

strella would be kinda insane imo

[shy fulcrum]

but they're pavn so they can rock that

they're not vc

[celest spire]

yea but werent strella quite uncommon and very late war?

[shy fulcrum]

dont remember

i just know that strellas were the reason why a lot of helicopter missions went bad

resulting in plenty of bright light missions

[celest spire]

from all interviews ive heard, the manpad threat in vietnam was nearly a non issue

[shy fulcrum]

which is finding the downed helicopters to find the bodies

and most of the time the helicopter guys were dealing with small arms fire

[celest spire]

yea small arms and hmg's should be the real threat to helos

[shy fulcrum]

all it takes is a bullet to burst through the helicopter and the windows

[vivid elm]

they most likely can't because if vietnamese side have similar fire power as US . that also huge blacklash . because most players know history via western media and US history book / movies . 999 out of 1000 chance they attract to vietnam warfare because how cool US military power was during the day . thing like riding thought the jungle in tank , fire bomb , b-52 power , helicopter , ac-130 rain hell down range and so on . they don't expect much ressitant when they get the chance of doing it themselves that gonna break the interest by alot

[celest spire]

and some heavier aaa

[shy fulcrum]

AC47 not AC130

[celest spire]

good thing these devs are mostly british then

and no the US history channels often talk about the air war in vietnam and stuff

its probably the most glamourized part of the war

[shy fulcrum]

yea i own a couple USAF stuff they have really fancy things

[celest spire]

if theres anything that the US is proud of in vietnam its how many mig kills they got

[shy fulcrum]

yup

the MiG kills

at least for the USAF

[vivid elm]

hell let loose isn't warthunder

[celest spire]

yea i mean the USAF and USN aviation culture today is still rooted in the vietnam stuff

[shy fulcrum]

between ww2 and vietnam

korea as well

[celest spire]

i didnt say that, im just saying that ur wrong about the US not covering stuff about the NVA having good kit

[shy fulcrum]

i have a grouping of a korean war USAF guy who was also in the vietnam war

have his combat log and custom tailor made flight suit he got personally made in thailand

[celest spire]

the USAF still uses the NVA's sam network as refrence to modern sam networks

[shy fulcrum]

the ones in laos were the ones they had trouble dealing with

in vietnam they basically destroyed all of it

[celest spire]

well it was mainly north vietnam

[shy fulcrum]

the north vietnamese set up the ones in laos tho

ravens had to deal with that

[celest spire]

yea sorry thought u mean laosian sams

[vivid elm]

can't be done in game . because not realistic or just call in ability with long cd attack heli players gonna counter it easy by just fly low

[shy fulcrum]

they fly low they get shot up by small arms

[celest spire]

ur not getting my point so im just not gonna continue with ya man

[shy fulcrum]

helicopters even in RS2 is hard to play with

you have to be fast on insertion and hope no one shoots at you while you fly out

[celest spire]

give me good hotas integration and i will main helos

[shy fulcrum]

and most helicopters never reach the ground even with good pilots

proper duckhunters on the VC side

[celest spire]

let me zip around in a loach armed with rockets and a 7.62 minigun

[shy fulcrum]

a very vulnerable flying piece of metal basically

[celest spire]

Charlie horse charlie horse!

''if u aint cav, you aint sh*t''

[vivid elm]

beside fire power issue , vietnam shooter also have weapon balance issue . the dev must balance full rifle round power vs Intermediate round power somehow and the AK , SKS , mosin , SVD alway got the short end of stick while m14 , m16 ,m40 sniper alway come out on top .

[next zodiac]

I better have my m14 or im gonna do something I regret

[celest spire]

m14 is in the trailer

[shy fulcrum]

you should probably have it since its 1965

instead of those m16s

[celest spire]

god i hope they drop the 1965 thing

[next zodiac]

I’d probably use the m16 more

[shy fulcrum]

if they keep the 1965 they gotta remodel the m16 to be the earlier one

[celest spire]

give me Tet offensive

[shy fulcrum]

and remove all those flak jackets

[vivid elm]

in rs2 the they balance weapon like this : Intermediate round can't 1 hit unless upper chest > m16 low recoil beat AK high recoil and SKS semi alway

[celest spire]

give me linebacker

[shy fulcrum]

AK more penetration more ammo

[celest spire]

give me battle for hue

[shy fulcrum]

i always shoot AK on semi

and i always grabbed one when i could

[celest spire]

ak on semi in rs2 was legitness

[next zodiac]

Mike, will, sam, or $?

[celest spire]

type 56

[vivid elm]

full rifle round alway 1 hit full body unless arms and legs : m14 win 100 out of 100 time because 20 round mag and full rifle round power . SKS is Intermediate round slow reload 10 round . mosin even worst bolt action , 5 round

[celest spire]

i dont follow lol

[celest spire]

brother you are shadow boxing rn

[next zodiac]

Linebacker positions

Sry

[celest spire]

oh lol

[shy fulcrum]

sks carry more clip

mosin carry more clip

[celest spire]

operation linebacker that is 😂

and linebacker 2

[next zodiac]

Need it in game

[next zodiac]

Operation linebacker? Isn’t that a bombing campaign?

[celest spire]

ah yes, the ugliest piece of sh*t helicopter ever

[celest spire]

yes but i meant timeline wise

[shy fulcrum]

sks mosin lighter

m14 become useless after water and rock go inside it

[next zodiac]

Don’t dis the 🐐

[celest spire]

saying i want later war timeline, linebacker 1 and 2 was in the 70s

[next zodiac]

Why not like arvn rangers? They did a lot of the fighting in the mid 70s?

[buoyant heron]

Im interested to see how they balance out the US and veitnam

[celest spire]

yea sure

[shy fulcrum]

arvn rangers be fighting all year round

[celest spire]

im just saying i dont want 1965

[vivid elm]

this is video game weapon don't even jam let alone water or rock . fire power 1 hit kill matter the most . SKS because Intermediate round never gonna good like m14 , mosin i don't even need to repeat it bolt action 5 round

[shy fulcrum]

yea bolt action and have like 12+ clips

[next zodiac]

That’s like the climax of the Vietnam war tho?

[shy fulcrum]

same with sks so much spare ammo

[celest spire]

climax??

[shy fulcrum]

wtf

what this guy just say bro

[celest spire]

what in the fukum bukums

[vivid elm]

and ? you forgot m14 is 20 round mag both semi and full auto ?

[shy fulcrum]

full auto early war, but they added a lock later

[shy fulcrum]

because the full auto was uncontrollable

[next zodiac]

I meant exposition

[celest spire]

if anything 1968 was the climax

[shy fulcrum]

for vc

vc was basically destroyed after tet

[vivid elm]

1 hit semi auto with 20 round mag is nearly unbeatable in milsim

[celest spire]

yea exactly

tet offensive turned the tide of the war

but climax in the end sense would be 73 to 75

[shy fulcrum]

1 hit bolt action can do the same job

its a different playstyle clearly

[next zodiac]

Yeah maybe for public opinion but the nva was still successful and operated successfully well after tet

[shy fulcrum]

because we were leaving by then

vietnamization

[celest spire]

brother i think u are very confused on what i want

[shy fulcrum]

by 1969 we decided to leave the border i think

to focus effort to finish off vc

[celest spire]

im literally just saying i want later war, i dont want early war

[shy fulcrum]

but because of that the north decided that was the time to invade

and properly invade

no more from the border and using vc

[next zodiac]

Operation cedar falls?

A lot of cool stuff early war

[celest spire]

yes but i still dont want early war lol

as 90% of what they showed in the trailer is from late war

[shy fulcrum]

it probably wont be

yea

all of it looks to be 70s

[celest spire]

i dont want another case of running around in stalingrad with an stg44 and panzershreck

[next zodiac]

I saw a Amtrak in the trailer I think, could be like plekiu

[shy fulcrum]

trains were often raided

especially the ones in laos

there was a hidden secret drug war at the time

and the trains were filled with opium and all that

you had chinese and all sorts of other factions going after the drugs like its battle royale

[next zodiac]

Like Ken Carson?

[celest spire]

well laos was in a civil war too

[vivid elm]

you play rs2 you know the # between m14 and mosin . mosin/sks have very hard time random spray half of mag into ramdom bush and get coupe kill if round hit , m14 can and easy

[next zodiac]

Opium

[shy fulcrum]

yea i know m14 has a lot of advantages

but if you know how to play the game you can use the SKS and mosin just as fine

i have videos of myself on yt using both weapons

racking and stacking bodies

smokin people cross map

[celest spire]

this debate about weapon balance is giving me aids, just stop

[vivid elm]

and how do you think players gonna react when they found out vietnam shooter only fun if you play US side ?

[shy fulcrum]

if its only fun playing on the us side then maybe its not their kind of game in the first place

its supposed to be an immersive shooter not an arcade

[celest spire]

stop engaging with this LangHan guy, its like talking to a brick wall

[shy fulcrum]

wouldn't it be cool to win with the worst weapons against all odds

isnt that what happened irl

come on

[next zodiac]

I wanna be a assistant gunner for the m60, that would be cool

[vivid elm]

the game need attract players and sell . if there are not enough punching bag for US players . what gonna happen to the game ?

[shy fulcrum]

i think you doubt the firepower too much from pavn

[celest spire]

nva will have rpg, type56 and mosin, thats all i need to hear

[shy fulcrum]

they have a decent sized arsenal

[celest spire]

great weapons

[vivid elm]

there are a reason why unbalance weapon quality and fire power alway dead red flag for any shooter game

[shy fulcrum]

irl you had guys in their shorts with just one mag in their AK raiding military bases

[celest spire]

not to mention ppsh, sks, rpd and svd

[shy fulcrum]

just that alone was enough to massacre the poor soldiers

[celest spire]

have you played HLL?

really easy question

doesnt take an essay

[vivid elm]

yes and you remember why player dislike playing soviet back in the day because german get more semi right ? that alone already make people mad you can guess they reaction in vietnam setting

[shy fulcrum]

yet but who won tho...

[celest spire]

what weapons will the vietnamese have that are worse?

[shy fulcrum]

he already claimed the sks and mosin will just be outmatched by the m14

[celest spire]

when they have the ak, svd, rpg

who f*cking cares if its not completely balanced, thats the whole point

go play cod if ur worried about weapon balance

[shy fulcrum]

like look at rhodesia war

despite all that firepower who won bruh

[vivid elm]

no helicopter , less fire power support , soviet weapon robust advantage mean jackshjt in video game compare to fire power (full rifle round) or low recoil advantage of m14/m16 . i don't need to talk about using mosin no scope again m14 , m16 . people can't even win again g43 garand lol

[celest spire]

who cares? us rifleman in HLL has m1, german has k98, no one cares

its a historical shooter

get over it

if u want copy paste weapon balance buy black ops 7

ive wiped entire squads in HLL with nothing but a k98

stop crying about weapons in a historical shooter

[vivid elm]

so the game don't need players ? even if you alway pick US side you need someone else playing on the NVA/VC if most player just quit the moment they auto match into NVA how the game gonna run ? and stay alive ?

[celest spire]

if i play a civil war game and start crying that the union cav get lever action rifles, but the confeds get 1 shot carbines, then maybe i shouldnt f*cking play a historical reenactment shooter

playing a hardcore realism shooter where you can kill ppl with 1 headhsot or like 2 or 3 bodyshots with any weapon and still crying about weapon balance is actual skill issue

git gud at that point

[vivid elm]

im vietnamese i know all of it , but this isn't real it video game the one with better , easy to use , bigger bang get most kill . history mean jackshjt

[celest spire]

dont play it then

pretty simple

[shy fulcrum]

game is just not for you then, this is a historical game, not a fantasy arcade game

[celest spire]

oh no my gun kills in 3 shots instead of 2, and shoots 0.1 seconds slower, cry more

[vivid elm]

you forgot it pvp focus not story mode campaign single players

[shy fulcrum]

yea and ive played these kinds of games for years now, i know why things are as is, and despite all odds, if you have the skill, you can make it work

[celest spire]

no we didnt forget, we are just not butt hurt about asspain weapon balance in a REALISTIC HISTORICAL SHOOTER

if we are gonna cry about this then t17 should delete the k98 from the germans and give them only g43s and stgs

also theres literally no reason t17 couldnt balance the weapons of class instead of caliber, dmrs/battlerifles, kill in 2 or 1 shots, ar's kill in 3, snipers kill in 1

literally nothing stopping them

mosin shoots a bigger round then the k98 in HLL and yet they both are 1 shot kills

same with g43 and m1

same with mp40 and thompson

same with the pistols

u are crying over nothing @vivid elm the game isnt even out and you are crying over weapon balance, get a grip and go outside

[jade kayak]

Let's take it easy 😅

[celest spire]

im easy breasy

beautiful cover girl

just tiresome seeing ppl complain about something that there is no info to go off of, literally the simpsons grandpa screaming at clouds meme

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling-old-man-news-the-simpsons-gif-17741451

[proven salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/ганшип-вєтнам-сша-usa-gunship-gif-7772026200882439130

[remote verge]

please change the time period to be like 68-69 🙏

way more accurate for the content shown, much less of a hassle than to remake all the gear to correctly fit the time period

plus a lot more famous conflicts happened in the later years id argue

could do hue, hamburger hill, etc etc

khe sanh

[vivid elm]

i hope atleast NVA/VC have squad set up .50 cal HMG (not vehicles mount only) but crew control/set up HMG , rifle grenade to counter m79 along side RPG , mine . leafs camo . ability to pick up and use US weapon (realistic for NVA/VC) . and US m113 APC don't be un-realistic tanky take like 4 RPG hit without dying , or helicopter immute to infantry small arm dmg like BF lol .

vehicles , m41 vs t-34/PT-76 , m48 vs T-54 , type 63 APC vs M113 easy enough but AA tank/apc i suggest type 63 twin 37mm . realistic vehicles US captured one basically m42 duster counterpart

if the dev really have heart then ;))

[twilit canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/smells-like-victory-apocalypse-now-vietnam-war-gif-8590493417002371483

https://tenor.com/view/we-were-soldiers-sam-elliott-vietnam-vietnam-war-defend-yourselves-gif-11856795089047683968

https://tenor.com/view/mel-gibson-broken-arrow-vietnam-vietnam-war-we-were-soldiers-gif-923356995682291729

[mint obsidian]

I’m not sure if the m14 should receive a… “low recoil advantage” 🤣

[trim nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-helicopter-gif-6579696585289153205

Seriously, I can’t wait. I noticed some M55 flak jackets in the trailer, which I like because I would like to be able to play as US Marines in Vietnam. Hopefully they’ll progress through the war so eventually we can get ERDL uniforms, too. One of my Great Uncles was killed in Vietnam in 1970 and he was in the Marines, so I’d like to base my loadout off of what he carried.
I also hope that the M16A1 will have 20 round magazines available, because 30 round mags were rare during the war and mostly used by SF guys.

Either way, this game is gonna be awesome.

[elder anchor]

are they going to do playtests?

[jade kayak]

Possibly, we don't know anythin yet. It was simply announced.

[jagged plaza]

I'm assuming they're going to do weird SF stuff as high class loadouts. If I don't get at least one m63 variant I'm going to pee myself

Does anybody play military conflict: vietnam? Hell let loose can just copy their gun variety to make everyone happy

[sudden niche]

JUST. PLAY. RISING STORM 2

[twilit slate]

Are you positive it’s not the Army’s M1952 or M69? Hard to tell from the trailer. There’s also soldiers without them entirely in the trailer. I’m sure you’ll be able to customize your soldier with either US Army or USMC.

[trim nimbus]

It definitely looks like an M55.

[sharp wyvern]

They’re all M55s

Which means they’re all marines

You can tel by the shoulder rope

[trim nimbus]

Yo, NutDonator! Fancy seeing you here!

[sharp wyvern]

oop

I knew I’d find AC people here lol

[twilit slate]

I’m pretty certain the game is letting you make your soldier look however you want. There are plenty in the trailer without the vest and who look a lot like US Army infantry.

The faction is intentionally broad (US Armed Forces)

[sharp wyvern]

Funny since this is supposedly “1965” we got marines wjth 2nd pattern M55s and M1s with acrual helmet bands

[sharp wyvern]

Yeha I assumed so

I’m really curious why they chose to include a date in the trailer

Seemed kinda odd

Also guys with M203s and 30 rounder magazines

Reslly just finding stuff to complain about I could honestly care less if anything is dated or not lol

[twilit slate]

I think gamers tend to care more than the devs. To be fair I don’t think the game needs to stop in 1965 even if the initial maps are early war.

I mean Ia Drang will probably be there.

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah as someone who’s developed a Vietnam game I woudlnt gaf if I was them 😂

There’s so much cool stuff that was used don’t hold back

[shy fulcrum]

All they have to do is push the years forward

[shy fulcrum]

well they got a long time to talk to the advisors and the artists

I wouldn’t put all the cool things to be fair

certain people used certain things

[sharp wyvern]

Working on cobra for Vietnam mod in arma reforger hope we see some tbing like this in HLL Nam

[twilit slate]

RS2 had Army flak vests even though it had Army and Marine factions. Pretty sure everyone got the same flak. I’d wait until we actually see in-game soldier models. The quick gameplay shots in the trailer show more soldier diversity. And not specifying a single faction means you can offer more cosmetics.

[sharp wyvern]

Oh I’m 1000% sure it’s gonna be a hoj poj of mixed uniforms and such

Same as the ww2 game

[twilit slate]

Yeah

[sharp wyvern]

But I mean only real Nam Autists will notice

[twilit slate]

Which I’m fine with because it lets people be who they want. As long as they’re realistic.

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah please no “dot 44 helmet cover” type fictionalizing

[jagged plaza]

Not that long ago, right after the team 17 takeover, they said their plan going forward was to advance one year at a time chronologically through world war II with new content being put out, hence the Danzig map that was talked about.

That plan fell apart, but maybe they want to try that for this Vietnam game. Start early and advance through the war year by year

[sharp wyvern]

I don’t even know how you could make Nam inaccurate maybe “tiger stripe jungle fatigues” or “Tigerstripe helmet cover”

[jagged plaza]

I got to have my neon unicorn skin VC sniper

[sharp wyvern]

Update 15 trailer happened

[jagged plaza]

We've taken a German OP!

[twilit slate]

I need a professional soccer player wearing an M69 United States Army flak vest or else I’m not buying. If I can’t represent the Chicago Fire what’s even the point of playing a video game

[sharp wyvern]

Legit “wow Poland, Finland, progressing through the years! Small objective mode!” Then update 15 happens “Nevermind about all that”

[jade kayak]

The Steam page does say 6 maps right off the bat so it won't be just one event, they just picked a date I guess?

[jagged plaza]

None of my homies play skirmish

[sharp wyvern]

Yeh I think they just said “oh beginning of the war 1965 what da heck🤷‍♂️”

I’m ngl

I don’t have massive faith in HLL devs historical accuracy expertise

At least when it comes to cosmetics

I thought the dot 44 helmet cove was a BM thing then they continued to release more of them after taking over dev 😭

[jagged plaza]

And we still don't have the m38 cover they advertised

[shy fulcrum]

those existed

you can make nam inaccurate with the smallest things

[shy fulcrum]

everyone used the flak vests

even in hue you saw marines using them

not just the m1955s but the 3/4 collars and all that

[twilit slate]

yeah I just meant that I’m pretty sure RS2 uses the U.S. Army model for both factions. I just wouldn’t worry too much about it. The devs have said the U.S. faction is US Armed Forces, so I take it to be an amalgamation of all branches until proven otherwise.

[left trellis]

I cant wait for HLL ukraine war in 20 years

[shy fulcrum]

I don’t think rs2 uses nametapes

I’m a little confused on what you’re saying

[sharp wyvern]

Which existed? I’ve never seen either

[shy fulcrum]

tiger stripe jungle fatigues and helmet covers

[sharp wyvern]

Never seen either pretty sure they did not exist

Tiger was only made in utility cut

[shy fulcrum]

never say never in Vietnam collecting

[shy fulcrum]

Also wrong

there were several cuts

[sharp wyvern]

I stand corrected

Show me tiger helmet 🫣

[shy fulcrum]

I’m not being fair here

there are tiger covers and tiger jungle fatigues… but they’re custom made and tailored for the owner

there’s a rarity to everything and some things are just one of a kind

[sharp wyvern]

I figured as much I’d heard that sometimes that tiger Jungle fatigues were made to order in Okinawa sometimes but I was foolishly convinced otherwise recently

[shy fulcrum]

Okinawa had several factories for putting tigers together

[sharp wyvern]

However I know what you mean I’m certain almost Eve try single camo material was fashioned into a helmet cover by south Vietnamese forces

[sharp wyvern]

To my understanding it was Japan or locally produced Utility cut tigers

[shy fulcrum]

Utility cut no

We don’t call it that

There are several cuts depending on the year and contract

Some patterns never existed in some cuts

Some patterns existed in every cut

Japan was one of the biggest winners for tiger contracts, but the first tigers were obviously made in Vietnam in-house

but later on countries like South Korea and Taiwan would win tiger contracts too

So quality varied

And prints varied

no “utility” cut here

when I think of utility cut, I think of the og107 uniforms

[sharp wyvern]

I’m ngl

[shy fulcrum]

these are nothing close to that

[sharp wyvern]

Utility is a general term I’ve used for “dat uniform with 2 square pockets on the chest” lol

[shy fulcrum]

well you can’t use it with tigers

[sharp wyvern]

Darn

[shy fulcrum]

all the cuts are by design depending on size and contract

[sharp wyvern]

What’s ur favorite?

[shy fulcrum]

My favorite is Gold

[sharp wyvern]

Eewww I no like gold

Too bright

I’m a John Wayne tiger kinda guy

[shy fulcrum]

John Wayne series I’m picky on the contract

the John Wayne Dense early contracts are the best in my opinion

the stripes are indigo when they fade

[sharp wyvern]

Yeha dense that’s the one

I really liek some of the ARVN patterns too

[shy fulcrum]

but gold is my favorite

jwd is my second favorite

[sharp wyvern]

I would send pics but it won’t let me

[shy fulcrum]

I have plenty more JWD in my collection

I even have a custom made suit

tailor made in 1968

[sharp wyvern]

Reminds me of this guy I follow on insta who’s got tons of every type of camo

[shy fulcrum]

but there’s something about golds

[sharp wyvern]

That is the most tame gold I’ve ever seen

[shy fulcrum]

wish I owned more

[sharp wyvern]

Kammoman is his name

[shy fulcrum]

that’s a deadstock early one

[sharp wyvern]

I relslt liek the real zainy ARVN tigers

Almost blue or purple and such

[shy fulcrum]

yes Mr Owens

[sharp wyvern]

Wish I could obtain a collection such as his

[shy fulcrum]

I own a set of some Korean contract VNMC tigers

Seawaves

[sharp wyvern]

My dream to get some ROKMC contract Frogskins

[shy fulcrum]

LRRP guys used these

[shy fulcrum]

dang I have those too

[sharp wyvern]

The color on em is so cool

I really need to sell all my ww2 German crap and just go full Nam collection

[shy fulcrum]

there’s multiple types but I have the yellow and blue ones

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah blue is my fave

It looks very similar to Beo gam

[shy fulcrum]

not quite

ROKMC Duckhunter is simply just Duckhunter

Beo Gam is like a variant of its own

I own several Beo Gam pieces and the shapes are very distinct

[sharp wyvern]

I’m jelous, any invisible ERDL?

[shy fulcrum]

only green dom, brown dom, some RDF, and a experimental model C from natick labs

[sharp wyvern]

This may be a big ask but could you send a pick green brown and EDF together? Trynna see something

[sleek fulcrum]

i hope im not the only one incredibly hyped for this game

i have only around 200 hours in hll and im kinda bored of it

[shy fulcrum]

they're pretty different

i can do that in a bit just finishing up on my texture

[lavish plaza]

same thing, tho close to 500 hours and nowhere near bored

[sleek fulcrum]

i mean i still enjoy it

but idk

i think vietnam is perfect imo

i prefer it to pacfic

[lavish plaza]

i would definitely play both of them from time to time

[sharp wyvern]

Fire, working with an artist to make some Vietnam uniforms for Arma Reforger server I help run and want to make sure get the best references for the ERDL texture

[shy fulcrum]

i remade my own erdl and all that complete with shadow and ripstop

[sharp wyvern]

You remade it?

[shy fulcrum]

yes

complete with shadow and ripstop texture

both green and brown

[hardy swallow]

My guy you’re not alone

[hardy swallow]

Honestly, Gear wise the only things that would be different is the 107 uniforms and the M56 gear had minimal differences to mid war M56 gear.

[hardy swallow]

Looks like it, starting with 1965 probs working up to the years hopefully 1965-1975, with the last engagement being KOH Tang Island

[buoyant widget]

Please give us jungle greens

☝🏽☝🏽ANZAC LOADOUT RAH

[vagrant echo]

Yes boi. I want to get communists with the Freedom Stick FAL

[lament elbow]

I want to steal the FAL and use it to destroy the enemies of Communism

[vivid elm]

i just read the dev interview : basically they don't plan to give nva/vc any unique weapon vehicles at all . no rifle grenade to counter m79 , no trap , no mine , no vehicles , no crew free set up duska HMG to counter heli . just basic mosin sks ak rpg and tunnel ? wtf this game gonna die after 1 month with this kind of balance . rising storm 2 give nva/vc actual tunnel , free deloy duska , mine , trap , rifle grenade , a bunch of ww2 weapon like garand , mp40 , mas 49/56 semi auto , leafs camo . and still near dead by now . how HLL dev expect players gonna play nva/vc again US lopside advantage with just tunnel spawn point and basic weapon set like this ? RS2 US didn't even have tank or APC , here US have them all even armed boat . players gonna auto quit the moment they auto match into communist side for sure with this lope side unbalance

[lament elbow]

Don't think they said anything about any of that besides confirming Tunnels for spawns & RPGs.

[near otter]

I've not seen it either.

[lament elbow]

They should tell us every single weapon and feature that's gonna be in the game day 1 of being revealed

[vivid elm]

they can test how people like vietnam milsim right now by just pick 2 ww2 faction , add jungle map , remove all vehicles from one faction , no chance to other let see how many people gonna like that kind of fight

i bet 50 buck just 2 week or even less the test gonna become so horrible with 99% of players pick the side with all the advantage and auto quit once they auto match into the other . keep in mind ww2 didn't even have attack heli

[winged scroll]

If it plays anything like hll i suspect it's the americans who wont like it because NVA is crawling all over the map. Helis cant see their targets in the woods, tanks will suffer just like they do on hill 400, and infantry are largely stuck on defense because their only way to deploy on the attack could be by boat or heli, both of which are easily spotted. At least I got a feeling that helis, boats and tunnels will replace red garris. Imagine fighting on Hill 400 where every enemy has an STG.

[restive yoke]

Yo does anyone know if the new Vietnam stuff is a add on like I gotta buy it or jus comes with an update

[vagrant rock]

It's a completely new game

[restive yoke]

Danng

Did they give us a price yet

[tall beacon]

No price yet

[vagrant rock]

Nope

Not even the system requirements are out yet

[restive yoke]

Ahh ok thanks guys

[random island]

Vietnam Milsim 😂😂

[vagrant echo]

Will probably be the same or more taxing than the current HLL

[vagrant rock]

Were there already words on whether it'll be UE4 or UE5?

[maiden lichen]

In the faq

It will be in UE5.

[vagrant rock]

copy

That could mean that the game will actually score big time

On the other hand, I think that would also mean that they can't just introduce mechanics or assets from HLLV to HLL1

Due to the engine difference

Not sure on that tho

[unkempt oracle]

I think a lot of the new features we've seen introduced into HLL1 is likely influenced by HLLV, but more the behind the scenes stuff, like RCON upgrades, admin cam features etc.

[vagrant echo]

Oh i really really hope HLL V has great admin tools for custom games

[mighty zealot]

Please do a good job of the M16A1! Legendary gun.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8sviuiWPGAQ

[lament elbow]

don't worry buddy, people play Vietnam games to larp commie or commie-killer and exclusively only play the "right faction." Im going to have 99.9% playtime on the NVA, and there's plenty of people like me. 🫡

[bronze vortex]

🫡

[maiden lichen]

Shovel > Helicopter
change my mind

[lament elbow]

Why would I change your mind, you're right.

Now make it a Mattock and I'm heigh hoing GI home

https://tenor.com/view/friendly-gentleman-vietnam-amir-good-fortune-gif-25445435

[winged scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-the-thing-fire-burning-flamethrower-gif-21416314

[bold stream]

i as a rs2 player am very excited

[lament elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-rising-storm2-cu-chi-popping-gif-20584947

[bold stream]

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-rising-storm-vietnam-ho-chi-minh-gaming-gif-25741115

[neon cedar]

😂😅

[dusky spindle]

fortunate son + gunship huey

[sharp wyvern]

Ohhh gotcha this is rs2 I see

This ma 3rd patterns textures for Arma Reforger

Gonna have them made into brown and green ERDL, sprayed and debating doing tiger but maybe not

[chilly aspen]

i hope you dont think hll is milsim...

[sonic swallow]

i dont play much hll but i hope hll: vn be like RS2 but with new version and better about history , maps and vehicle - weapons and outfist

[chilly aspen]

hll v will be same as hll1. Arcade hardcore

[lament elbow]

HLL 1 is pretty similar to RS2. It's worse than RS2 but still the same vibes

[sonic swallow]

oh okay , arcade hardcore xD

[chilly aspen]

yes, s44 is more milsim as HLL

like you need , 2-3 bullets to kill someone when hes 150m+ away

[twilit slate]

The MilSim standard is ArmA and then literally nothing else (for infantry anyway) so if you’re going to be that strict, nothing is really MilSim. I guess other than ArmA.

But I think most people would say squad and HLL count. Most casual observers anyway.

[chilly aspen]

na sometimes you need more bullets to kill someone in arma too, probably because of body armor

[twilit slate]

ArmA has a lousy damage model

[sonic swallow]

Fine. I will wait for its release and enjoy it. As a Vietnamese, I only wait for games with the theme of Vietnam War or more correctly, the Indochina War, just because the Americans lost.

[chilly aspen]

HLL is casual arcade shooter with a touch of hardcore. it could be also Battlefield hardcore mode. same way

[chilly aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/hochiminh-vietnam-vietnamwar-vietcong-gif-20180975

[sonic swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/30tháng4-1975-viet-nam-sai-gon-304-gif-21370886

[sharp wyvern]

Yeah Becuase it’s not Nam

[sonic swallow]

I quite liked RS2 but that game seemed to lean heavily towards the US and its allies. I'm not criticizing the game mechanics but I hope there's a better and better game

[sharp wyvern]

Ngl RS2 was meh

[sonic swallow]

Wdym its not Nam?

[sharp wyvern]

He was saying put any two ww2 factions in the jungle and give one side all the vehicles it’ll be dead ina. Week

And I said yeah Becuase that’s not Nam

[sonic swallow]

I thought you called my name because my name is Nam xD

[sharp wyvern]

It is?

[sonic swallow]

Idk not much about ww2 but on the topic of vietnam i can be more confident about weapons and military equipment and uniforms, details like hats or grass clothes reserved for the southern liberation army or abbreviated as VC (Vietcong). If hll vn is released, I hope the publisher can release more factions like Squad. I can suggest an example like the Southern Liberation Army vs. the Republic of Vietnam in Pleiku , An Khe , Cam Ranh maps for real history

[twilit slate]

Hamburger Hill the U.S. Army could sit back with the Cobra and Little Bird and a good pilot could get kills from spawn. It was insane. I loved flying in RS2.

[sonic swallow]

There are not many bases of the Liberation Army of the South above ground, most of them are underground, they dig tunnels. If they are above ground, they will be covered with trees and grass to hide.

[sonic swallow]

Damn yeah. In RS2, Vietnam Faction They don't even have vehicles, they just have underground. If you play RS2 you know the Resort maps where the US army spans the island and moves in with Cobra and Little Bird

[sharp wyvern]

If only they did that irl tsk tsk silly GI

[twilit slate]

Hey... they took it eventually! And then just left. Classic anti-guerilla combat war. Oy.

[sharp wyvern]

You can’t win a guerrilla war plain and simple

[twilit slate]

Yeah doesn't matter how many firefights the 1st Infantry Division left calling cards on bodies during... all the North had to do was wittle down the Americans and dig in. They had the will of the majority of the people. That's what matters more than anything.

[obsidian gyro]

I wonder if they will have Instead of a bombing run that only last a few seconds have a napalm strike that acts as a bombing run but also has a prolonged burn period that covers the stricken area to stop enemy pushes

[sharp wyvern]

I’m ngl if they had focused on the HCM and the north itself it’s possible they could’ve held them off

Biggest mistake was pulling out that just made it open season on the south

[sharp wyvern]

The biggest mistake they made was the village relocation program, “oh we can’t defend the villages in the middle of nowhere from the VC so let’s move them all into one place” stupidest idea 💀

Rural peoples like that believe whatever they’re told the VC come along and tell em we burned down every village around them (true or not) and if they don’t join they’ll burn and die too, they’re gonna join up

[neon cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152891668014575657/1408117293728272536/IMG_7148.gif

[winged scroll]

Also helps if you dont have to pay 50% of your produce to the owner of the land. I wonder how it is now

[sharp wyvern]

Only reason these poor farmers can still flourish today

[green cradle]

Like the live stream for Friday?

[dusky spindle]

its on friday no?

[green cradle]

That's what I'm sayin lmao

[dusky spindle]

lol

[tropic wing]

Hello, I'm new, I'm here because I don't know much about the Vietnam War (only a few documentaries and a few movies like Full Metal Jacket...) and I would like to know more. (This is because I'm French and Vietnam was previously a French colony until the Indochina War which gave rise to the Vietnam War.)

[random island]

Damn

[muted hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-classic-announcer-radio-gif-4844905

[trim nimbus]

We’re gonna need this gif in about a year.

[tropic wing]

W gif

[prime sky]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-vietnam-robin-williams-classic-announcer-radio-gif-4844905

[glossy lynx]

cant wait damn

what burning lands could of been

[remote verge]

Tcus are incorrect, m203 is incorrect, should have m14s, no h34s despite showing either marines or usn, definitely need to fix some things but yeah

[fallow cargo]

WE NEED ENEMY VOIP FOR THIS ONE

[shy fulcrum]

this is for military conflict Vietnam, a smaller game

[shy fulcrum]

unhappy with colors, look like rothco

not actual OG107 color

[nocturne garden]

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I miss RS2 Vietnam when enemy voip worked correctly.

[fallow cargo]

exactly, so sad how it's broken

[vagrant rock]

No

[fallow cargo]

why

do you hate fun?

[nocturne garden]

sounds like it

[vagrant rock]

No, it's just a pointless, immersion-ruining feature

[fallow cargo]

It's not immersion ruining though

[vagrant rock]

It is

[fallow cargo]

How?

[vagrant rock]

English-speaking Vietcong, mmmh

[fallow cargo]

And?

[vagrant rock]

Immersion-breaking

[nocturne garden]

Immersion ruining to hear the enemy team communicate when you are close to them...

[fallow cargo]

that is NOT immersion breaking

[vagrant rock]

It is

[fallow cargo]

the characters in HLL don't even speak

[vagrant rock]

No sh it, Sherlock

But the players do

[fallow cargo]

yeah that's immersion breaking

[vagrant rock]

No

[fallow cargo]

oh english speaking germans while i'm germany

your logic makes no sense

[vagrant rock]

Yes, but if it at least stays within one team, it isn't as bad

[nocturne garden]

I for one would love to hear the enemy team yell "Go home GI" to me.

[vagrant rock]

Don't get me wrong, for realism events it would be great

[fallow cargo]

exactly

You've never played prime rising storm 2 and it's really showing

[vagrant rock]

Interesting that you claim to know what I've (not) played lol

[fallow cargo]

would you say that arma is immersion breaking when you hear enemies speak

[vagrant rock]

It depends on it

Like I said, it can be great

[fallow cargo]

I've been wanting it in HLL for so long so I can scream while charging at the germans

I want to hear voices echo in bunkers while we're taking them over

sick of all the silent firefights

[vagrant rock]

If fire fights are quiet, your team is not talking enough

[fallow cargo]

one sided firefights

[vagrant rock]

By the way, hate to break it to you, but in war you don't taunt or yell at the enemy

[fallow cargo]

Wouldn't it be cool to yell at someone who's hunkered down in a b uilding

it's a game!

[vagrant rock]

Potentially

It's not necessary imo

[fallow cargo]

they could just add an option to turn it off if you don't want it

[vagrant rock]

That could be a way to find a solution

[nocturne garden]

Except in Vietnam there are accounts of it happening frequently

[nocturne garden]

The option would have to be only you muting the enemy team but the enemy team is still able to hear you. If the option makes it so the enemy team can't hear you as well, it presents a competitive advantage, and then all the sweats will turn off enemy proxy chat so that the opponents can't hear them.

[fallow cargo]

That’s true

I just love proximity chat in games

If you can’t hear an enemy chopper playing music overhead then is it really a Vietnam game

[hardy swallow]

Yes, but man sometimes you gotta separate 100% historical accuracy for fun it’s a game after all. There are things in OG HLL that shouldn’t be there in certain battles, and it’s fine.

[vagrant rock]

Eh, StG 44s in 1942's USSR are still a crime xD

[hardy swallow]

True, but again it’s okay lol 😂 what breaks my immersion more than an STG 44 in Stalingrad is cosmetics, and they do a pretty good job, so I let it slide lol.

[vagrant rock]

It's not really because it just hyper breaks immersion and historical accuracy

Cosmetics are also immersion-breaking, but they don't have a practical impact on gameplay

[fathom shoal]

I wonder what the victory songs will be

[maiden lichen]

Make it erika or I wont buy the game.

[cold vortex]

something korean, like gangnam style

[sharp wyvern]

Shuttup you don’t know anything

[hardy swallow]

🤫 lol

[maiden lichen]

Thats not nice at all

[hardy swallow]

We friends I know him lol

[maiden lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/greenhairbil-sus-dog-gif-27690748

Thats a really elise ahhh gif, but its good enough.

[remote verge]

hopefully not fortunate son

[remote verge]

🤷‍♂️i dont see why they shouldnt not strive for accuracy, i also havent played reg hll in a few years because imo the game started going downhill

from the content shown so far, everything looks good, its just that the setting is way too early for any of it to be fielded

[covert finch]

no pinned messages here?! Mod what am i supposed to do, say things WITHOUT reading 13 pins?!

MADNESS

also, we see if there's any flamethrowers in HLL:V yet?

[glossy lynx]

glad a vietnam game is coming I was upset when burning lands was canceled

[covert finch]

I'm just glad y'all are more sane discussing aspects and changes of a franchise like HLL. Being in the Battlefield discord was cancer.

[vagrant rock]

Why, what happened there

[covert finch]

the devs announced they are nerfing bunny hopping and sliding more after the beta and now the users cannot decide if they want a game like BF4 or not anymore.

here it just seems to be "Would mortars BREAK original HLL, or help it?"

[vagrant rock]

Nerfing sliding?

[covert finch]

yeah like you can't just slide into jump and slide and jump and hop and slide as easily

[vagrant rock]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thanos-end-of-infinity-war-thanos-watching-sunset-gif-22870421

man

What a glorious day this is

Less sliding

:)

[covert finch]

riiiiight?

[vagrant rock]

the good ending

[wheat granite]

If no one starts blasting fortunate son whilst flying a helicopter I will be very disappointed

[covert finch]

oh i think there will be about 12 people doing that every single round

[buoyant widget]

I better hear trees talking in vietnameee

[covert finch]

i want to be able to jump out of the huey and use my falling body to kill another player

that's the strategic bombing i hope for

[wheat granite]

Or just fly the whole dam helicopter into an enemy garry

[buoyant widget]

I want to get knifed in the tunnels

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-surfacing-sinking-swimming-jungle-gif-16838413

[foggy rune]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-vietnam-flashback-gif-27530600

[celest spire]

lol who told you that?

do u know how many videos there are out there of soldiers yelling insults at the enemy?

the brits literally used it as a tactic in afghanistan, blaring western music and saying things like ''come fight us if you think youre hard enough''

so i really dont know where u got that from

sh*t talk is as old as time

doesnt only happen in online chats

its been going on for thousands of years

[manic fern]

I recall a very particular video of a dude holding up a stick with a uniform loosely on it - a fake head at the top - waving it around the corner while giggling giddily as it's getting shot at

[celest spire]

Yea theres so many stories of soldiers in ww1 yelling at eachother across no mans land

And the soviets and germans during stalingrad

And fck just watch 5 mins of combat footage in ukraine 😂

Cant go 10 seconds without hearing ”cyka blyat pidaras ocupante!”

[neon cedar]

Superior Vietnamese army!

[neon cedar]

https://youtu.be/lRsaDQtYqAo?si=mn3OrJAv0UyAVqyn

[remote verge]

Gif was almost good

[jagged plaza]

I doubt they want to pay the licensing fees to get that

[fallow cargo]

War Pigs would be sweet or War lol

https://youtu.be/hZJRJpbGkG4

[fallow cargo]

Rising storm has run through the jungle

[remote verge]

yeah classic tune

just ideally something that hasnt been used 3 billion times for vietnam content

[fallow cargo]

Would be nice to have multiple songs, hopefully that xbox money came in good for the studio

[fallow cargo]

fr

there's so many good songs that aren't used in a lot of media

[remote verge]

sooo soo many

i actually think war would go pretty hard

[fallow cargo]

I hope there's enemy voip so I can blast some music, need the VC to hear the tunes

[remote verge]

true

[fallow cargo]

I wonder what the north side will have as music

[rustic berry]

i hope they have a voip channel for helo music

so i can set up a virtual audio setup to pipe music into it

im gonna play so much music as i fly the schoolbus

[dusky spindle]

i will make sure that theres gonna be some fortunate son on my bird

[hardy swallow]

Because last time they tried to do map specific cosmetics with HLL people went berserk, so that idea is long gone now.

[lament elbow]

Yeah cause $10 for a cosmetic pack that you can only use in one map is pretty ridiculous.

[winged scroll]

I wonder if a "helicopter attack" mode would work. USA having no HQ on the map, NVA not knowing where they will drop, and the americans would have to choose where to build their LZ and hold it for 30-60 minutes before leaving to win

[young crystal]

wouldnt they just get spotted in the air and you'd imagine where their HQ would be?

*if they didnt get shot down mid-air

[vagrant echo]

Pretty much what happens in squad. Its pretty easy using a bit of brains and eyeballs to figure out a heli LZ

[vagrant echo]

Shot themselves in the foot there because it looks really fkin stupid seeing out of place uniforms imo

[winged scroll]

Could be balanced so that in first minutes NVA only has scouts and increased respawn times/their tunnel network isnt up yet, and USA has some free napalms to secure the area. It's easy enough to ambush one chopper, but if there's 4-6 flying about in the air, with the main force of 35+ landing in one place, I think it would be enough. Without tickets or tunnels backing up the NVA yet, the initial landing should be overwhelming

Depends on how big the map is.

[lament elbow]

imo they'd need to drop the price of any theater/battle specific cosmetics significantly. the main cosmetic items most people are interested in are the heads/helmets/hairdo's I think.

If there's going to be cosmetic content that can only be used on one map/a set of maps, fine. Just have it go for $2 a pop for a single map or something. A summer/fall uniform pack that's all encompassing, that i could justify being $5 or whatever..

At any rate, they need to lower the individual cost of cosmetic packs across the board.. the Panzer Lehr pack is a perfectly example of why.

[near otter]

I think many, myself included, find it hard to see how widely considered overpriced cosmetics lead to the most revenue, but I don't doubt a second that the industry knows what they're doing when it comes to that stuff.

That being said, relatively speaking, I don't think (most) DLCs for HLL are that expensive.

I would consider the pricing pretty reasonable for the most part? Even though I would never buy anything myself.

[maiden lichen]

Its better than the 500€ ahri skin or the 250€ jinx arcade skin...

-# dont ban me for playing lol please.

[hardy swallow]

Are you talking about OG 107s? Following that would have just been 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Pattern Jungle fatigues with minor differences. The first batch of Jungle Fatigues started coming in as early as 1964, I don’t see the issue.

[vagrant echo]

I was referencing HLL ww2. There’s a few really out of place DLC skins. I dont really know enough about vietnam uniforms to have much of an opinion

[hardy swallow]

I gotcha my apologies, WW2 is a lot broader in the uniform department than Vietnam. Which my guess is they’ll just do the most common one which is the 3rd Pattern Jungle Fatigues. Maybe as an Air Cav DLC for LA DRANG with OG 107’s. It’s easier to get things wrong with uniforms in WW2 than it is with NAM I have faith in them.

[covert finch]

why is there no Cho'gath sunkissed summer skin? The cowards.

[maiden lichen]

When chogath VGU?!?!? WHY DOES XIN ZHAO GETS A REWORK BEFORE CHOGATH!!!!

-# Im not mad... Im not mad...

[covert finch]

-# and why was the swarm mode temporary, i would literally pay 5-10 bucks for a full version of it.

[frosty elk]

Hope we see shotguns

Hopefully we get different factions like ARVN and Aussies too

[maiden lichen]

I think there was a kind of double barrel shotgun in the trailer for the NVA.

[frosty elk]

Thats what Im talking about!

hell yea

[winged scroll]

At 0:56 in the trailer an american has a scoped rifle but I cant tell what it is. Doesn't seem to have a magazine. Anyone know? The film is remarkably grainy for some reason.

[maiden lichen]

I cant find it anymore so I might habe misscalled it.😅
Gonna wait and see its safe in my opinion there is gonna be some kind of shotgun. Or at least it would be amazing to find in the tunnels.

[maiden lichen]

I believe its an M21, but its hard to make out.

[covert finch]

I can't wait to have blueberries strand the transport truck in the river in the first 30 seconds, also blocking our river boats from moving

[winged scroll]

Could be a bolt action or a garand too, right. I'd suppose that they had some bolt actions, but I've no idea what. R700?

[frosty elk]

Hope I can be a tunnel rat with a python revolver

[sharp wyvern]

Hush puppy better

[sleek fulcrum]

Am I the only one incapable of finding the qna?

[winged scroll]

Go to channels & roles and fiddle with it

[maiden lichen]

#1407789105768698007 that one?

Yea, you need the role😅

[sleek fulcrum]

What

Breh

[sleek fulcrum]

To watch the stream?

Why are they announcing it to the whole server then

[maiden lichen]

Ah sry I assumed you wanted to ask a question for the stream.

[sleek fulcrum]

No

I just wanna watch it

[maiden lichen]

The stream gonna start soon, you got to wait a bit.

[sleek fulcrum]

I can’t tell when cuz they said starts in an hour 2 hours ago

But they also said at 11 with no time zone

So I’m just confused

[maiden lichen]

#sit-reps message

[near otter]

The time in the announcement here on Discord is your local time

[maiden lichen]

In about an hour the qna stream should go live.

[sleek fulcrum]

Ok

[sleek fulcrum]

I see

Thanks

It was just weird cuz it also said starts in an hour on the telegram page

But I guess that adjusts too

[near otter]

Here in Discord, if it's got the faint highlight around it and can be hovered over, it adapts.