#(Tofaa) Denizen fails to startup due to 1.19.2 class not found even though the server is 1.19.2

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stuck rose
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(Tofaa) Denizen fails to startup due to 1.19.2 class not found even though the server is 1.19.2

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pallid abyss
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!patchversions

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# pallid abyss !patchversions
Info: patchversions

We support only the latest patch-version of Minecraft for any recent main version (and Mojang, Spigot, Paper, etc. all generally also follow the same rule).

"Patch version" means the last number in a version label, for example in 1.18.2, the main version is 1.18, and the patch version is .2.
So if 1.18.2 is the latest patch version, then 1.18.1, and 1.18(.0) are all outdated patch versions, and therefore are unsupported.

Note that we do still support recent older main versions (such as 1.17 and 1.16) so long as you are on the latest patch-version of those main versions (like 1.17.1 and 1.16.5).

stuck rose
pallid abyss
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!patchversions

empty fulcrumBOT
# pallid abyss !patchversions
Info: patchversions

We support only the latest patch-version of Minecraft for any recent main version (and Mojang, Spigot, Paper, etc. all generally also follow the same rule).

"Patch version" means the last number in a version label, for example in 1.18.2, the main version is 1.18, and the patch version is .2.
So if 1.18.2 is the latest patch version, then 1.18.1, and 1.18(.0) are all outdated patch versions, and therefore are unsupported.

Note that we do still support recent older main versions (such as 1.17 and 1.16) so long as you are on the latest patch-version of those main versions (like 1.17.1 and 1.16.5).

pallid abyss
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You need 1.19.3

stuck rose
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Well that's very silly

waxen urchin
# stuck rose Well that's very silly

Using an outdated patch-version is putting your server at risk of bugs, exploits, crashes, etc. and makes it really hard for anyone to support you (Paper, us, other plugins, etc.)

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Updating is really easy to do, and we are more than happy to help you in any way

stuck rose
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No need to give me that predefined reply I'm aware of what patch versions are, it's just extremely silly that that's the way you guys handle it

modest orbit
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you're running paper; they don't even support it.

stuck rose
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Support what?

modest orbit
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developing on outdated patch-versions

stuck rose
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older versions?

modest orbit
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it just doesn't work.

stuck rose
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I have no idea what you mean by it just doesn't work

waxen urchin
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Well, supporting an outdated patch-version would be a lot more work for contributors and developers, back-support mess to keep compatibility, etc. (especially as Denizen uses a fair bit of NMS / packets)

stuck rose
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That's also a very weak argument granting patch versions usually do not contain major updates, not as many as lets say 1.16 to 1.19 has (which you do support)

modest orbit
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it doesn't work as in you can't build anything from source. if there were a problem however, we couldn't resolve any issues that you could use - it would target 1.19.3

waxen urchin
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For not much benefit, as servers will need to update anyway - can't stay on old versions forever

stuck rose
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Regardless though thanks for the quick reply

pallid abyss
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what

waxen urchin
stuck rose
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Brother in christ it is just slight packet modifications, an already completely documented system. Entity data handling fair point but again not as complicated as the features added between 1.16 and 1.19

waxen urchin
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It would be a lot of work for developers, without any big benefits as opposed to just helping users update

stuck rose
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That's a better answer than they changed a lot

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I agree with that

waxen urchin
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But either way - we are happy to help with updating / any updating issues you may have if you'd like, otherwise you can try using an older version, but that is obviously unsupported

waxen urchin
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@stuck rose

stuck rose
stuck rose
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Have a nice day

waxen urchin
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You too :D