Open Denizen Discussion Thread

[low night]

That as well lol

[spiral veldt]

Makes sense. I didn't know that was a thing GH does lol.

[low night]

There were talks about a lesser showcase channel as well

[spiral veldt]

Wait that's not gh XD

[old venture]

i mean, you can post anything there as long as you follow rules, and there are no quality requirements, so the high quality standard is entirely artificial

[cursive tide]

my scripts made it up there so you know there is no quality standard

[graceful laurel]

same here kek

[soft pewter]

Dont be so hard on yourselves, you are both awesome scripters

[rough lark]

nobody's as bad as me

i write 3 lines and get distracted and do nothing for the rest of the week

[grim quail]

I haven't posted much or anything unless I know I can do it and as best as it can be. The problem is I'll keep adjusting it because I don't feel like it's presentable to it's highest standard.

[grim quail]

Listen here.

I didn't ask for a personal attack.

[low night]

Anything i make is presentable as long as I don't want to stab my eyes from the code

[mossy egret]

Yeah somehow my spaghetti code tickcore managed to get on there

[old venture]

if your code is spaghetti then mine would be pre-frozen, re-heated, soggy french fries or some other nasty "food"

[fleet kernel]

mud fries

[foggy gorge]

make script that makes bat often decide to go off and bite people for a few ticks or two of poison

thank <3

[grim quail]

I actually want that.

They're really annoying to hit as-is.

[grim quail]

TIL you can include color codes into tab completion determinations.

[low radish]

when they added that, if you used em, it will instantly kick you for sending illegal characters. Don't know if they've fixed that since

[grim quail]

Let's find out.

It still does.

But I'm a little out of date, but I bet it kicks on current paper.

It's useful to display for null entries, so you can go <&c><bold>NO DATA in the determination list.

[mossy egret]

yeah my command arg manager does that

[foggy ember]

Pretty sure there is a proper system for that in Brigadier

Displaying hints above args & client-side arg checking (I.e. instantly getting errors instead of having to run the command and get it checked by the server)

[foggy gorge]

i humored doing this with actionbar tbh

[sinful spindle]

lmao

I tried for many many dozens of minutes to wrangle the tab complete suggestor into doing what i wanted and I never managed

[tidal cave]

where da extension for vscode at?

[cursive tide]

Just install directly in vs code.

[tidal cave]

thanks

thats what i like to see not a "!makepost"

W community

[cursive tide]

Well now you are going to get me in trouble 😂

[tidal cave]

oh frick, he helped me instead of annoying me PRISON HIM!!

[graceful laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/flcl-angry-anime-gif-8801500

[unkempt torrent]

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[fossil steeple]

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[unkempt torrent]

I have to mute you the next time you're ignoring this rule. This happened too many times before.

[foggy ember]

Why are you even against it lol? we have to handle 100s of support requests in the limited free time we have, the least you could do is put in the bare minimum amount of effort and help keep things organized for us

[low night]

many of my questions have already been previously answered by a thread so it's much quicker to find your answer as well that way

and if not, you make it quicker for others who will have that question in the future

[tidal cave]

NAAAA

rare mojang WWW

[tidal cave]

do you get love from your parents?

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[grim quail]

Whoops* Goodness, I hope to see more actual discussion.

[foggy gorge]

wait they really added a GRAVITY attribute that literally affects acceleration??

that sounds wild

[old venture]

safe fall distance is also wild

[old venture]

YOOO JUMP STRENGTH IS NOW FOR ALL ENTITIES??

[foggy gorge]

goes hand in hand imo if that gravity effects players

[old venture]

block break speed attribute 🤤

[foggy gorge]

my fuckin space/skyblock worlds are going to be lit now

[fleet kernel]

HOLY SHIT HOYL SHIT SHOLY SHIT @graceful laurel

THIS IS LIT

yooo we can also stop jumping entirely now too

[grim quail]

We're inching closer to making tools that can speed up mining. 👀

[fleet kernel]

already can do that tho

[grim quail]

Well, through better means.

Isn't it a bit complicated like having to do faking the block breaking animation and stuff?

Although this might deserve it's own thread because I know it's been asked a million times before.

[grim quail]

By writing my own custom event I'm now able to properly check when the player actually equips an item and even block it as necessary, having full control over things like this pleases me.

[sinful spindle]

or uhh

you could just add the enchantmnet

[grim quail]

Oh you know what, I'm thinking of making mining faster per specific materials.

And making mining work on specific ores. Ex: Custom pickaxe mining diamonds, despite the material being stone.

Which would require it's own thread.

[dawn flower]

You can just

on player breaks *_ore with:stone_pickaxe:
- determine <context.location.drops[diamond_pickaxe]>```

[sinful spindle]

will be very very slow

[grim quail]

I mean yeah.

[sinful spindle]

Oh, i assumed your point was to have it be as fast as a tier-appropriate pickaxe

[grim quail]

That too.

Both preferably.

[dawn flower]

honestly can't wait for the block speed attribute it seems very fun to play around with

[pine horizon]

yo im new with denizen and idk how to script paper when you right click in air with, it transform into bone meal can someone help me ?

[grim quail]

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[pine horizon]

ok i created it

[foggy gorge]

just realized i can ping my server's widget https://discord.com/api/guilds/901618453356630046/widget.json to get the number of online players in my discy

so now my tablist has online players in-game and the discord's presence lol

looks like it also just has everyone's pfp

eheheh

@dusky dust that stache' was a hilarious add btw

[dusky dust]

thanks i worked very hard on it

[foggy gorge]

masterpiece

[old venture]

i didnt like it at first, but i guess it....... took some time to grow on me

heh

[old venture]

wtf thats a thing? sick

[candid kraken]

pun intended?

[old venture]

very.

[candid kraken]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/351925110866968576/1061100095124279387/kekdog.gif

[soft pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-walk-away-weirdo-touch-gif-26494423

[glass fog]

is this all with animating armor stands or is it citizen npcs?

[low night]

My guess is a bit of both but now you'd be using display entities instead armor stands aren't the best thing to use anymore

Could definitely do a boss purely in denizen tho

I made one that used citizens for pathfinding and targeting

[rough lark]

i keep writing this expecting it to work in denizen
- for item in <[...]>:

[quartz wraith]

honestly i like that syntax better

[wild cosmos]

we def should get an allias for "foreach" as "for"

[grim quail]

True.

[unkempt torrent]

how do we write when iterating through a map

[sinful spindle]

for key|value in <[map]>

presumebly that'd be the denizen translation

[old venture]

nono thats way too real code-y

[foggy ember]

Maybe if in was a prefixed arg? e.g. - for item in:<[list]>

[old venture]

denizen's whole shabang is to be non programmer/coder friendly

[quartz wraith]

is this a joke or do you actually think this

[fleet kernel]

for key,value in <[map]>

oh

thats lua syntax

isnt it

[rough lark]

python

kinda

for key, value in map

[grim quail]

Yeah it's close to lua

[rough lark]

maybe for denizen, uh

[grim quail]

for k,v in ipairs(player.Getall()) do
  print(v)
end

[rough lark]

for key=value in <[map]>

since key=value is very well established

[fleet kernel]

the = looks fat

[rough lark]

so does your mo- nevermind jk

[graceful laurel]

lmao

[rough lark]

i am not suggesting denizen really needs a new foreach syntax, i just keep on punching in python because of monky brain

[graceful laurel]

- for thing in thing [
  - do thing
]

[fleet kernel]

- for thing|thing -> thing <[
  - thing thing
]>

honestly how bad of a syntax can we make

[graceful laurel]

time to move to #1098024603756015726

(:

[sinful spindle]

this isn't denizeny

commas don't denote anything in yaml

[reef wharf]

for k, v in pairs(table)

Oh, lol legacy already did that

[old venture]

how could it possibly not be the case

people choose denizen over java because its easier

[mossy egret]

if im gonna be completely honest

i prefer java as a language but i prefer denizen for its workflow and api

[graceful laurel]

agreed

[mossy egret]

no way, i have emotional validation

my ideal denizen is one that is closer to a C-style language, but i know not everyone likes that

[graceful laurel]

lol c# is cool but a good few parts are confusing to me

not sure about c though, don’t think I’ve ever touched it

[sinful spindle]

those aren't mutually exclusive

denizen being easier to learn than, say, java doesn't mean that somehow who knows java is going to struggle with denizen

[mossy egret]

I just wished denizen had static typing

[graceful laurel]

real

[glass fog]

how would you use display entities to create bosses like that?

[low night]

modelengine uses display entities now and so does the denizen version of it

https://forum.denizenscript.com/threads/denizen-models.529/

[old venture]

no way

does this mean that dmodels can finally handle a ton of models hanging around?

[glass fog]

does anyone have a video tutorial on that or is it just kind of a read the scripts to learn thing

[low night]

blockbench is its own program so would want to learn that first if you have trouble on the denizen side you should definitely make a post in #1026104994149171200 though

[glass fog]

is it possible to transfer animations made in blockbench into armor stands through dmodels?

[low night]

should make a post for that one

[dusky dust]

dmodels has been using display entities for a pretty long time now

[foggy gorge]

https://i.gyazo.com/661171013bfcc90f6a91491738650d01.gif

part of me is wondering if this would be useful or if it's too tiny

[soft pewter]

Maybe it can expand

[grim quail]

Is that a custom ui or is that actually the stone cutter.

[foggy gorge]

its actually the stonecutter, despite our recent talk of black magic in chatter

i slapped a /ex narrate <element[copy].on_click[<server.material_types.filter[name.contains_text[stairs]].parse[name.to_lowercase].parse_tag[<script.parsed_key[data.scripp].separated_by[<n>]>].separated_by[<n>]>].type[copy_to_clipboard]> copypasta into a script to generate it

so now i just have 56 item scripts of just stairs >.> lol

[grim quail]

Despite your directions

So I'm a bit confused.

[foggy gorge]

?

[grim quail]

I never used the stone cutter before, how is this different from vanilla?

[foggy gorge]

i was thinking about using it for a UI for a custom one with a scrollbar

my /ex wouldnt have worked i just realized/forgot copying it out of the script i had

[grim quail]

Ah.

That'd be smart.

Wait does stonecutter even support inventory script containers? Because that'd probably help.

[hallow scaffold]

can someone please short test the following command?
/ex modifyblock <player.cursor_on> SOUL_FIRE

soul_fire is not working on my side

ah okay, it needs soulsand under it... strange

[thorn bone]

try no_physics

[hallow scaffold]

yepp, you are right - my fault

[foggy ember]

No, you should use VS code for Denizen scripting

[shy remnant]

hey whats the command for custom achievements?

[soft pewter]

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[foggy gorge]

i need to make a better demonstration video but there's my new wireless redstone

[sinful spindle]

What does it look like if you put a redstone torch on top of a receiver?

[soft pewter]

oh my god that's so cool

i love the different block textures and the inventory UI

[foggy gorge]

nothing lol

[soft pewter]

that's so cool!

[foggy gorge]

OH

i see what you meant inq lol

it doesnt deactivate it but uh

i should make that a thing

[thorn bone]

what about unloaded chunks?

[foggy gorge]

dunno, they only reach 16 blocks out currently

[thorn bone]

oh. they do .blocks_flagged[].within[]?

[foggy gorge]

https://github.com/b-Universe/b-network/compare/5d6ba275f3be...e3da33361de8#diff-db330819556667614ccb00fefffec69ef2b610cdd81a8062f058cbc081aa03ceR225
somethin like that

[thorn bone]

try to plug tick machine to transmitter

[foggy gorge]

maybe tomorrow

i hate that message so much

it makes me want to do everything offline localhost

ill let you know what a tick machine does to it lol

[thorn bone]

I saw mods that can refresh your session from the game

[foggy gorge]

this was odd to see from google

oh god, it gave me the links to Denizen/0.7 lol

evolution did a great job within denizen

[low radish]

"Narration", "Fail", ...

it, uh, sure tried

[sinful spindle]

on player jumps:
- fail

lgtm

[thorn bone]

on player poops:
- if <player.age> > 30:
  - fail

[old venture]

epic fail!

[pulsar dagger]

Can you flag vanilla items?
Ill do a /ex flag <player.item_in_hand> test:true

then try to show it with /ex narrate <player.item_in_hand.flag_map>
but it returns an empty map.
It seems like I can flag items in a chest but as soon as I take it out of the chest the flag is gone.

[grim quail]

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[fleet kernel]

im so mad

- define newList <list>
        - define endLine 0

        - foreach <[item].lore> as:term:
            - if <[term].equals[<empty>]>:
                - define newList:->:<empty>
                - define endLine <[loop_index]>
                - foreach stop
            - narrate <[term]>
            - define newList:->:<[term]>

        - foreach <[data.stats]> key:key as:stat:
            - define newList:->:<[item].lore.get[<[loop_index].add[3]>].replace[<[statData.<[key]>.ss]>].with[<util.random.int[<[stat.min_range]>].to[<[stat.max_range]>]>]>
        - narrate <[endLine]>
        - foreach <[item].lore.get[<[endLine]>].to[<[newList].size>]> as:term:
            - narrate <[term]>
            - define newList:->:<[term]>


        - define sortedList <[newList].sort_by_value[length]>
        - define top <[sortedList].reverse.first.length>
        - define listy <list>

        - define newItem <item[<[item]>].with[lore=<[newList].deduplicate>]>
        - give <[newItem]>

i wrote all this code

FOR IT TO JUST BE THE

!t listtag.set

[weary moth]

Cannot Specify Searched Tag

Multiple possible tags: <ListTag.set[...|...].at[<#>]>, <ListTag.set_single[<value>].at[<#>]>.

[fleet kernel]

😭

[old venture]

!t listtag.set.at

[weary moth]

Tag: <ListTag.set[...|...].at[<#>]>

Returns a new ListTag with the items specified inserted to the specified location, replacing the object already at that location.
Note the index input options described at !objecttype listtag

Returns

ListTag

Examples

# Narrates a list of "one|potato|three"
- narrate <list[one|two|three].set[potato].at[2]>

# Narrates a list of "one|potato|taco|hotdog|three"
- narrate <list[one|two|three].set[potato|taco|hotdog].at[2]>

[old venture]

LOL

[dreamy orbit]

was checking all my old scripts and noticed that i was checking the on player block break event 7 times in 7 different scripts

horrifying

[wild cosmos]

well unless im misunderstanding its not wrong

[dreamy orbit]

nha they where working fine

but i just modified everything like this now

more clean

[wild cosmos]

i think it will just be harder to debug / maintain 🤷‍♂️

[lament verge]

this is why I fire most of my event in a custom event

just to get them organized

[foggy gorge]

i try to practice making sure if im listening to an event like player does x, i try to make sure it doesn't fire when other things would anyways and only cancel it then

that and cause i prefer them be explicitly all in their relevant files lol

[fleet kernel]

i just have a lot of priority

[dreamy orbit]

hm is that really the case? i can just enable and disable debug in the various sub-script if there is a problem related to one of those systems.

and i have already placed various debug strings commented out in various places of the sub-scripts

[foggy gorge]

in the rare case something goes wild and i cant for the life of me believe an event is behaving the way it should, i use /denizen debug -o to see if anything else is happening + make use of a localhost and isolate lol

[unkempt torrent]

when it comes to switches, cancelling and wot not yeah

if you do not put everything into a single event you can make use of switches, cancelling events, script priority + bukkit priority

ie your script event currently fires everytime

[sinful spindle]

Consolidating events is not helpful

it doesn't help performance or organization unless something is going very wrong already

[foggy gorge]

i use an on server ping for a random flavorful motd for my server, and i have two server listings to make sure both play.behr.dev is working and have 192.168.1.19 for a 0ms ping connection - interesting to see they ping separately though lol

!event server list ping

[weary moth]

Event: server list ping

Group

Server

Event Lines

server list ping

Triggers

when the server is pinged for a client's server list.

Context

<context.motd> returns the MOTD that will show.
<context.max_players> returns the number of max players that will show.
<context.num_players> returns the number of online players that will show.
<context.address> returns the IP address requesting the list.
<context.hostname> returns an ElementTag of the server address that is being pinged. Available only on MC 1.19+.
<context.protocol_version> returns the protocol ID of the server's version (only on Paper).
<context.version_name> returns the name of the server's version (only on Paper).
<context.client_protocol_version> returns the client's protocol version ID (only on Paper).

Determine

"MAX_PLAYERS:<ElementTag(Number)>" to change the max player amount that will show.
"ICON:<ElementTag>" of a file path to an icon image, to change the icon that will display.
"PROTOCOL_VERSION:<ElementTag(Number)>" to change the protocol ID number of the server's version (only on Paper).
"VERSION_NAME:<ElementTag>" to change the server's version name (only on Paper).
"EXCLUDE_PLAYERS:<ListTag(PlayerTag)>" to exclude a set of players from showing in the player count or preview of online players (only on Paper).
"ALTERNATE_PLAYER_TEXT:<ListTag>" to set custom text for the player list section of the server status (only on Paper). (Requires "Allow restricted actions" in Denizen/config.yml). Usage of this to present lines that look like player names (but aren't) is forbidden.
"MOTD:<ElementTag>" to change the MOTD that will show.

[foggy gorge]

"ICON:<ElementTag>" of a file path to an icon image, to change the icon that will display.
time to randomize that next

[foggy gorge]

oh nooo it isnt the same for the proxy lol and i just made eight icons for st patties day

[grim quail]

What the hell are those.

[foggy gorge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1186583961477074985/1218839720591622204/92631b24-d3d4-40cc-b0b2-f0e964a86d9d.webp?ex=66091ff2&is=65f6aaf2&hm=e6d089ea39ad83bbe1bce44000eef20cc94cdc173cf1ed9010ba2afecc713572&=&format=webp&width=970&height=970

happy wizards of b celebrating saint patricks day on b

lol clearly i missed these two legends, man face bird and bird feet man

[limpid nest]

(yes or no question) Can I make a chat manager with denizen, e.g. /chatcolor, if someone says a word to not send it, prefix, etc etc

[unkempt torrent]

Yes

[graceful laurel]

speaking of /chatcolor

[thorn bone]

Did you know villagers have inventory?

And you can't open it, because it has size 8

Villagers secret inventory

[grim quail]

Next time just

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[old venture]

still hasnt answered my feedback in the thread
):<

[graceful laurel]

forgot to answer it but i did fix all of what you said lol

imma go eat then get to it :)

[hallow scaffold]

there is no example for teleport with relative_axes :/

[foggy ember]

It should be explained in the meta itself, but either way we're happy to help if you make a post

[dreamy orbit]

Imagine discovering only now procedure scripts

[grim quail]

How... were you returning results before?

[old venture]

i dont blame. i did know what a proc was but just never understood it. only used it more than a year after being introduced to denizen

[sinful spindle]

I can only think of 2 or 3 times i've ever had cause to use one

[low night]

they're pretty helpful but denizen has almost everything i need with tags lol

[dreamy orbit]

Didn't really Needed them for anything as of now but i did everything in task scripts.

But i think i Will implement some in my xp system

[old venture]

i use them for even simple stuff.

<player.flag[root.map.submap.submap.key].to_lowercase> or something? nah, just <player.proc[something]>

[sinful spindle]

When people post overly abstracted scripts like that, i don't even try to read them lol

[grim quail]

I guess it's context is important to why you need a procedure.

If you're doing same logic in a lot of scripts then a procedure is probably best.

Or if you want things to look cleaner.

Or maybe even writing a utility procedure that you might be using later.

[sinful spindle]

the former, yes

If you have the same code more than twice in a script, it's generally a good idea to abstract it away into a task or proc

'looking' cleaner is kind of a weird thing to want

It actively makes the script harder to read to no advantage

[dreamy orbit]

As soon as i get home from my vacation i Will probably have a look in my scripts if i can simolify something with procedures. But i think i Will really Need them only in my custom profession leveling system.

Good night 🦎

[hallow scaffold]

question for ya all, what kind of proxy version do you all use?
simple bungeecord? waterfall? flamecord?
there is no velocity support für depenizen :C

[unkempt torrent]

bungee if even

[foggy gorge]

paper ending support for waterfall is an excellent example as to why we should just be using bungeecord

it's a golden standard that really has never had a reason to be gone away from

[hallow scaffold]

i was using waterfall all the time since start...

now i checked for velocity, - but without depenizen, i didnt take a step

[foggy gorge]

paper recommends you do not anymore

[unkempt torrent]

iiirc waterfall was like bungee but was just created for the sake of having a fork?

[hallow scaffold]

xD

[unkempt torrent]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall?tab=readme-ov-file#why-fork-bungeecord

yeah here its in their readme

[hallow scaffold]

i think velocity will be the new standard in the future...

[foggy gorge]

probably not, just another waterfall

[cosmic tide]

Using forks just for the sake of saying you do is kinda useless

Kinda like compiling an open source plugin except changing the name of it to fit your server's name

[foggy ember]

I will say that velocity isn't completely useless or anything - it does have certain advantages, but (not that I'm an expert or anything, but from what I've personally seen) generally don't make as much of a difference vs using Bungee for the average server

I.e. unless something drastic happens, if you're not you're running a massive server/have a very specific use-case or anything like that, you're probably fine just using Bungee

[hallow scaffold]

I want the better security from velocity, the only problem is depenizen

[unkempt torrent]

security?

[cosmic tide]

Its all the same

[tepid hull]

So, erm .. I started actively making my own now, starting ... 2 weeks ago, and I've been here, how long?

A while ...

[old venture]

holy 6+2/3 years

[hallow scaffold]

someone already have bungee chat over denizen?

[fleet kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1224376546597408871/1227064275558858853/Minecraft__1.20.4_-_Multiplayer_3rd-party_Server_2024-04-08_18-15-02.mp4?ex=66270ba9&is=661496a9&hm=877123936c1e9f7e4c5f1f3222a11a3fc72b863f6882ad147b06fda563f60220&

bottle

[old venture]

bo'o of wa'a

[lone pivot]

Hello, guys! I'm new in Denizen. Can I learn denizen well from the Denizen Beginner's Guide?

[grim quail]

Generally, yes.

!guide

[weary moth]

Guides

View the Denizen Beginner's Guide at https://guide.denizenscript.com/

[foggy ember]

Yeah, it's meant specifically for that :p, feel free to make a post here if you need any help going through it and we'd love to help you out!

[lone pivot]

Thanks a lot!

[lone pivot]

What is define? How to use it?

[unkempt torrent]

That's explained in the guide

that was linked to you earlier

[lone pivot]

I didn't quite understand there

[unkempt torrent]

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[unkempt torrent]

Could you make a post then for your questions please?

[fleet kernel]

at what point does denizen think its a 0

0.000000000000000000000000000000001 like

should make a post

[graceful laurel]

that sounds like an excellent forum post question

yay there it is

[raven barn]

+> YAY!!!

[lone pivot]

can I speak russian? / можно разговаривать по-русский?

[cosmic tide]

No

English only

[lone pivot]

Which is better: Java or Denizen?

Что лучше: Джава или Денизен?

[foggy ember]

The guide goes over this iirc - there's no "better", it's just 2 separate options, each with it's own advantages

E.g. Denizen is usually easier to learn and use, Java might be easier for integrating with existing plugins if Denizen doesn't have an existing integration for them (although with newer reflection tooling and such you can do that using Denizen pretty well) - overall just use whatever you prefer

[lone pivot]

Okay, thank you very much!

[mossy egret]

Personally I far prefer Java as a language itself, but not a big fan of the build-restart-test workflow, or having to make sure your plugin works across versions, nms, and other stuff that make it really inconvenient

[mossy egret]

Also I forgot to mention but editor language support for Java to me is much better

[thorn bone]

?

[old venture]

thats a ping

your id is 254628717526122506

if i do <@ 254628717526122506> it'd ping you

[flint swallow]

Good evening! Does anyone know how to make falling blocks in denizen? For example, a tree fell after you approached it closer than 5 blocks

[foggy ember]

Should make a post for your question

[flint swallow]

sorry, please

[fleet kernel]

add picture to the makethread

[feral stirrup]

Anyone have any cool potion concepts? I feel like I'm in a rut trying to come up with more. I'm trying to fill out a brewing system with some more stuff. Rn I have:

Potion of Experience Gain
Potion of Bee Friendship
Potion of Diamond Vision
Potion of Gold Vision
Potion of Neterite Vision
Potion of Diamond Vision
Potion of Smithing (xp back when smithing)
Potion of Iron Vision
Potion of Experience Gain
Potion of Bee Attraction

Plus all the usual longer/stronger/unused effects.

[soft pewter]

Potion of Axolotl/Dolohin (makes you swim fast)

Potion of the Baker (when making items like cakes or cookies it gives you a random amount)

Potion of Shulker (attacking another entity will cause it to fly)

[feral stirrup]

Already have dolphin's grace, those other two are chef's kiss

[cosmic tide]

When Denizens 1.20.5

Its been so long omg

[old venture]

potion of increased weight (makes you fall faster)

[sinful spindle]

Next #1204239476897878036 prompt?

[old venture]

potion of momentum: makes you move like you're walking on ice

absolutely no clue if thats doable or not but its a cool idea

[graceful laurel]

minigame

[unkempt torrent]

fakespawn ice on ground maybe probably

or vanilla tags maybe probably

[feral stirrup]

Thanks for all the great ideas all!

[hallow scaffold]

Is there a performance difference between using <context.item> in a click event or just using <player.item_in_hand>?

[graceful laurel]

a wonderful post question

[hallow scaffold]

sometimes i just think, hey - why open up a thread for just one little question to get a yes or no :/

[dawn flower]

your question needs more context to be answered

eg what event are we talking about

[hallow scaffold]

item click on block event, already wrote it

[dawn flower]

then use context.item

I think it can fire for main and offhand

I haven't tested with empty mainhand and item in offhand without a switch tho

Without a switch either tag would work, but personally I'd use <context.item>

But yeah open a post next time, not every question has a yes/no answer including this one

[foggy ember]

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[old venture]

working w sentinel is so wonky, like wdym i have to -execute sentinel commands instead of there being an innate denizen command for it

but also the high level of wonkyness makes it fun lmao

[fleet kernel]

i agree

it should be built in

[low radish]

plis PR sentinel NPC mechs into Depenizen

[graceful laurel]

go dax go

[fleet kernel]

give tutorial

[graceful laurel]

ask the monkey

[low radish]

!guide contributing

[weary moth]

GuidePage: Contributing to Denizen

View the guide page 'Contributing to Denizen' at: https://guide.denizenscript.com/guides/contributing/index.html

[dry lily]

how long until the first 1.20.6 build? im not impatient, just asking

like 1 day or 1 week

[foggy ember]

The PR is open and being worked on, so should hopefully be soon - it's got a whole bunch of breaking changes from several different places, so it's taking a bit longer than usual

[dry lily]

alright

ty

[dry lily]

is the latest dev build now 1.20.6? #news message

[foggy ember]

Yep

[dry lily]

yayyyy

[raven barn]

+> YAY!!!

[dry lily]

it dont 😦

[foggy ember]

#changelog message

[dry lily]

no i meant it completely doesnt work

[foggy ember]

^ please read that :p

[dry lily]

but you said a few features are broken, not the entire plugin

maybe im blind sorry

[foggy ember]

Denizen currently doesn't start on Paper due to some recent changes
Paper made changes to things Denizen used to check the server version, so currently it only works on Spigot until we can update that

[dry lily]

oops

[dry lily]

did it work on any 1.20.6 paper build before?

sry i forgot to disable ping

[unkempt torrent]

1.20.6 is a new version and denizen dev builds were just updated, please have some patience

[mint summit]

I am really excited for what will be capable with 1.20.6+ & Denizen :D

[old venture]

yayy i'm so excited to find out what the error in my script is 😑

[raven barn]

+> YAY!!!

[graceful laurel]

yay

[raven barn]

+> YAY!!!

[cosmic tide]

Wooo

[old venture]

what was the method for doing rpg style healthbars on mobs again? attaching or mounting?

i vaguely remember attach being wonky

and mounting having a considerable delay

[dawn flower]

mounted text display iirc

[grim quail]

It use to be mounted armor stands, but I use mounted text displays.

[dark hill]

Out of curiosity, how did you get around Minecraft hiding custom name tags for mounted entities? Or did you only have them applied to mobs that wouldn't have a custom name?

[grim quail]

There are mechanics for custom entity names, but this deserves it's own thread.

[old venture]

!update

[weary moth]

Update Denizen

Latest Denizen stable release builds are at https://ci.citizensnpcs.co/job/Denizen/. Most users should download the stable release build.

Latest Denizen dev builds are at https://ci.citizensnpcs.co/job/Denizen_Developmental/. Dev builds are for usually for test servers only.

Spigot resource page for Denizen is at https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/denizen.21039/ (do NOT download builds from Spigot).

Update Paper

Paper is a higher-performance alternative to Spigot that is 100% compatible with the equivalent Spigot version. It's much easier to update than Spigot itself, and carries a lot of performance and quality-of-life benefits.

Latest Paper builds are at https://papermc.io/downloads/paper.

(If you would prefer to use a Spigot build, refer to !update spigot).

[grim quail]

#bot-spam

No need to use these in discussion channels.

[final pier]

Hello to everybody
Denizen supports 1.20.4?

Nvm I found the answer

[frozen portal]

is it possible to make an in-game denizen editor using denizen script or a plugin?

[sinful spindle]

technically, yes, but there's no point

further on this goes into a thread

[fleet kernel]

soemone has done that before

was it mergu?

[dawn flower]

Yea

#showcase message

[sullen bay]

technically no because you can't write .dsc files within scripts

Actually, it appears you can't write any file within the script folder, regardless of the config's security settings

https://github.com/DenizenScript/Denizen/blob/d37d034eb208c9cfb3a8b8ff0ead6f397737a046/plugin/src/main/java/com/denizenscript/denizen/utilities/Utilities.java#L174

Funnily enough, dsc on its own isn't prohibed https://github.com/DenizenScript/Denizen/blob/dev/plugin/src/main/java/com/denizenscript/denizen/utilities/Utilities.java#L165

Actually, you can write any file you want using that simple tweak in your config file:

Commands:
  General:
    Allow unrestricted file access: true
    Confirm allowing unrestricted file access: true
    Unrestricted file access is very bad and dangerous are you sure you want that: true

The best part of open source is you get all the keys to be stupid

Anyways, the point is: no, you can't make anything that automates or messes with scripts in any way excepts if you turn off all file system securities as a whole which (based on the config keys) isn't recommended

(considering the fact i.e. Mergu's solution doesn't "edit scripts", but rather "mocks them", which is not a denizen editor as per the question)

[sinful spindle]

I feel like you missed the point of what i said

I wasn't encouraging trying it

[old venture]

damn nice clean 24.000

[graceful laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderator-discord-moderator-delete-moderator-snitch-gif-27063075

[sullen bay]

Is this the time it took to launch paper ?

[old venture]

yeah

my pc slow

[white plume]

hi guys, have been searching far and wide on the web, can anyone please recommend any Reliable super newbie latest tutorials on denizen scripting? Ive got everything in place like vscode connected to a server etc just need a tutorial on how to start scripting to kick it off with... any help will be massively appreciated ❤️

[unkempt torrent]

!getstarted

[weary moth]

Info: getstarted

Hey there! Welcome to Denizen!
To get started learning Denizen, we recommend you follow the beginner's guide: https://guide.denizenscript.com/
Also, feel free to browse scripts or view discussions on the forum: https://forum.denizenscript.com/
And of course... don't be afraid to ask questions here on this Discord!

[unkempt torrent]

The guide teaches you the start and everything else :D

[white plume]

really appreciate it 🙂 may I jump right into what Im mostly after? I need to create dialogues and set up quests, will those links help me figuring out how to do that? x

[unkempt torrent]

Yes, that's also part of the guide. I would recommend you going it through page by page.

So you get all the info you need to write fancy dialogues

[white plume]

thank you 🙂 u r awesome, much appreciated! 😊 🙏

[cloud sigil]

I also really recommend reading it page by page and not skipping parts. Done that, not smart. It takes like 2-4hours to read everything through. At least it did for me, though Im already a bit familiar with programming

[white plume]

please teach me 😄

better yet, come play with us be part of the team 😄

u'll be an appreciated part of the team 😄

Ive started reading but need to take a break

[graceful laurel]

+1 on this, skipping parts is definitely not what you want to do

have also done that

did not go well lol

[white plume]

its a long shot but honestly, anyone who would like to teach me? I'm a good learner, very committed 😄 came this far!

[cloud sigil]

Sorry already working 24/7 for some other folks, charge free lol.

The guide is amazing, start out with that

[white plume]

understandable 🙂

[cloud sigil]

If you then have any questions:

1. go to the docs and type in keywords of what you want to do and read it
2. found nothing? Go to this discord and search for previous messages that handle the same issue/question (sometimes faster than waiting for a response)
3. found nothing? Ask here 🙂

[white plume]

thanks, will do 🙂

[white plume]

not sure where to ask this, would like a dialogue with choices, found this, trying it out but it doesnt work, what is wrong with it pls? I did change the npc ID to the correct one

npc_dialogue_with_choices:
type: interact
steps:
1:
click trigger:
script:
- if <npc.id> == 0:
- narrate "<npc.name> says: 'Hello, Adventurer! Welcome to this area, would you like to hear the story that is tied to this place?'"
- wait 2
- narrate "<&a>Yes<&f> or <&c>No"
- wait 1
- narrate "Click on Yes or No in the chat to respond."
- wait 2
- narrate "<hover:show_text:"Click to say Yes">click:run:yes_responseYes</click></hover> <hover:show_text:"Click to say No">click:run:no_responseNo</click></hover>"

yes_response:
type: task
script:
- narrate "<npc.name> says: 'Great! Here is the story...'"
- narrate "Once upon a time, this land was ruled by..."

no_response:
type: task
script:
- narrate "<npc.name> says: 'Alright, feel free to explore the area on your own.'"

[unkempt torrent]

Hi, ideally you make a thread in #1026104994149171200.

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[unkempt torrent]

Oh, I thought it has some form of tutorial, how to.

[white plume]

I wish

[unkempt torrent]

Well, click on #1026104994149171200 and then you can create one at the top.

[white plume]

hope thats better. 🙂

[unkempt torrent]

Yep :D

[sullen bay]

Is there generally an issue with storing large amount of data in flags ?

i.e. storing the archive of players' inventories everytime they die

(which can be pretty huge as they keep on dying with complexe items)

in the end there'd be some kind of cache busting, but the question is how frequently it should happen and if the "ok-threshold" is 5, 50 or 500 inentories

[unkempt torrent]

pspsps

!makepost

[sullen bay]

😭

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[sullen bay]

But it's just a yes/no question!

[dawn flower]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-no-manny-jay-gif-10695878

[old venture]

minecraft native support for circular momentum when

[sinful spindle]

when you join mojang and add it

[mossy tide]

Hey @dawn flower thanks for the help with telling me Item_Display scaling actually worked I feel so dumb since I didn't have to go through all that trouble since I was impatient to wait for stuff to be ironed out. <3

[dawn flower]

Np :D if you're ever unsure about something feel free to make a post and ask!!

That looks super cool by the way

[foggy gorge]

@fleet kernel i want to see your vscode theme

ples

[graceful laurel]

hmmm

i have an idea

[foggy gorge]

https://discord.com/channels/315163488085475337/1245745189251715122

yup lol

[hallow scaffold]

june 13. is releasedate for 1.21

[foggy gorge]

mojingles will surely find a way to make this funny lol

[fleet kernel]

no hole rn

home

remind me in 5 hours

[old venture]

damn lol, paper just got its first 1.20.6 stable release and now mo' junk is already releasing 1.21

[graceful laurel]

lol

[fleet kernel]

@foggy gorge

oh

wrong channel

[foggy gorge]

pretty

[dreamy orbit]

it's been 2 days since last response on one of my posts, if i ping the staff member that was helping me do i get annihilated? 💀
it's a kind of important info i need since it will decide the crafting system of my server.

[fleet kernel]

ping me

[foggy gorge]

it depends; if youre explicitly responding to someone, it's okay. we just ask you not ping people at random for individual support

ie, if i were to ask "whats the tag for x? @ icecapade" - thats not very appropriate, because anyone can attempt to answer

a gray area would be moreso "hey @ icecapade, you and i talked about this before, whats the tag we used again?"

its just about consent, really

ill also mention, your question is hard lol

[dreamy orbit]

bdw still not answered my post but i kinda understand why, noticed that my issue got mentioned in the Denizen contrib channel so i assume it's something more complicated that it seems to me at first glance.

[dreamy orbit]

ye at first to mee it seemed i was doing something wrong but it seems it's something more complex 😂

[foggy gorge]

yeah its one of those "shit, i have to log in and actually test wtf is going on to figure this out" kinda questions lol

[dreamy orbit]

luckly i managed to find a way around that issue it seems. i decided to not use mmoitems anymore for giving items to players. this way all the items will stack since i will use denizen for that.

i created a container and noted it. inside are all my custom items and i will give them calling the itemtag reference from that

and luckly mmoitems seems not to bother since all the nbt tags are the same

items will not stack this way too since it's how denizen parse the item but not an issue anymore i hope this way.

[cloud sigil]

Why are some denizen commands named the most confusing things lol
I wanted to summon lightning so I thought "hmm maybe there's a -smite nope, what about -thunder, nope... what about -lightning, nope..." turns out it's - strike

who the heck came up with strike

Same for giving someone the nausea effect. Why is it called confusion lmao

[dark hill]

To be fair, the strike command does show up when searching for "lightning" - it has a search synonym configured for it.
And is nausea not just nausea for the effect?

[foggy ember]

^

!s lightning

[weary moth]

Search Results

[Partial Name Match] !Event lightning strikes,
[Perfect Synonym Match] !Command strike,
[Semi-Strong Match] !Event pig zapped, !Event creeper powered because cause,
[Semi-Decent Match] !Language enchantment script containers.

[foggy ember]

That's just Spigot weirdly renaming stuff, although they changed some naming to match vanilla in 1.20.6 iirc

[cloud sigil]

"zapped"... fr?

[cloud sigil]

nausea is confusion when using - cast

[unkempt torrent]

!e pig zapped

[weary moth]

Event: pig zapped

Group

Entity

Event Lines

pig zapped

Triggers

when a pig is zapped by lightning and turned into a pig zombie.

Context

<context.pig> returns the EntityTag of the pig.
<context.pig_zombie> returns the EntityTag of the pig zombie.
<context.lightning> returns the EntityTag of the lightning.

Has Known Location

True - this adds switches in:<area> + location_flagged:<flag name>.

Cancellable

True - this adds <context.cancelled> and determines cancelled + cancelled:false.

[cloud sigil]

I wouldnt be surprised if they also used an "electrocuted" tag somewhere instead of any of the other million different synonyms for lightning

just to purposefully confuse players

[foggy ember]

We're not trying to purposefully confuse people lol - these still have synonyms for searching, and most newer features have much better naming; stuff like the strike command have slightly weird naming just because they were added a while ago at a time where everyone was much less experienced & and features usually just matched whatever Bukkit/Spigot called them

[graceful laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-stormbreaker-avengers-forge-nidavellir-gif-14855401

[foggy ember]

Also wow, just noticed when looking at these old commits - it's going to be 11 years since monkey's first commit in 2 months https://github.com/search?q=repo%3ADenizenScript%2FDenizen+author%3Amcmonkey4eva&type=commits&s=committer-date&o=asc

[sullen bay]

i love how he went from 0 commit at all to 10 commits a day in a single day

[graceful laurel]

real

[foggy gorge]

me irl trying to read light theme

[low radish]

oh yeah ftr back in the day there were basically no "official names" for most minecraft features

minecraft's internals were obfuscated, so people just made shit up

in modern Denizen we try to add @Synonyms to stuff with confusing names to make it easier to find in a search

i'll go add some for those

[cloud sigil]

awesome

[low radish]

it's nausea

confusion is supported as the legacy bukkit name

[cloud sigil]

so it exists but it doesnt get autocompleted?

that mightve caused my confusion

[low radish]

oooh

VS Code ext is probably using the wrong enum for it

could you please open a thread and /bugthread it to track that

[cloud sigil]

Took me too long to make this. Here's my block levitation

Could be cool for parkour

I think the not being lifted up part when it's moving is more realistic because I doubt it's easy trying to stand on a 1m³ rock thats being magically lifted up

also I was too lazy to add the feature

and yes getting the right sounds for this took me about 3 lifetimes

and yes it deals like 4-5 hearts if it falls on your head

[sullen bay]

effect is actually pretty cool

too bad you didn't make it walkable

isn't there a way to add it "easily" ? a shulker box maybe or else ? there's definitely a solid entity you can move around to provide a movable walkable hitbox

[cloud sigil]

wdym walkable?

[cloud sigil]

Im currently using shulkers

you can walk over it, did you see the vid lol

just not stand when it's moving up or down

[sullen bay]

able to walk on

[cloud sigil]

ignore the chat and the music in the background

[cloud sigil]

Do you guys prefer splitting a script into multiple scripts (talking about .dsc files when I say scripts), or do you prefer to keep everything together? My script file just reached 1600 lines of code and it's getting kinda long

[grim quail]

It varies on how big the system is.

I try to keep them segregated by types. Procedures. Scripts. Events. Data script containers. Commands.

However, my event file for my custom claim system is pretty long.

Oh it turns out my claim commands file is very long too.

[cloud sigil]

oh damn

[grim quail]

It's because I got a lot of sub commands.

[cloud sigil]

I feel like I should maybe throw all my variable handling stuff into another script because thats like 600 lines of repetitive code. But then again, don't fix something that isn't broken

[grim quail]

If I see the same code being repeated more than 3 times I usually try to make it's own script/proc.

[cloud sigil]

yeah but it's all custom items

the layout is the same but the text is different

not easy to make a proc for that afaik. Would be less clear to see what's what imo

[grim quail]

Somewhat understandable.

I got tired of copy pasting emojis into my item descriptions so I made procedures to return them for my click actions.

[cloud sigil]

I did try simplifying my gui inventory from 5 different inventory scripts into 1 proc script, and see how that's going 😂 still trying to make it work and I started with that 2 days ago

[grim quail]

I had to make injectable scripts just for building chat based clickables too for multiple pages of information.

[cloud sigil]

After all this coding I still dont know what injections are lol

[grim quail]

It's just scripts that can access all previous definitions and context.

[dawn flower]

splitting up

big scripts are yuck

[grim quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/635304225219411988/1128824353887367198/image.png?ex=665e4c1a&is=665cfa9a&hm=063252a428b7d288817fcdcd6013e61a5ee65f2b8ffb5311814887a2aaa3d32f& Said chat menu. I don't use it much anymore, but it's there when I try to. Two separate injections for the header and the footer.

[cloud sigil]

hmm I see

So injections are just a pro version of tasks

[grim quail]

I abuse injections really hard for a lot of my gui.

You could say that.

[dawn flower]

it's just a task script you dont have to pass defs to

[cloud sigil]

seems useful

[dawn flower]

in some cases yea

[cloud sigil]

But whats wrong with passing defs?

[grim quail]

I put a lot of my scripts for entering custom GUI as subscripts that I inject into, because I felt it cluttered up the inventory click events that I had.

But that might be my personal style.

[dawn flower]

nothing

i use inject when i want to cut down code

or at least make the script more readable ig

i prefer passing defs tho

much easier to construct the code around values you pass

at least imo

[cloud sigil]

yeah I get that

Id probably be confused where I got the definitions from lol (for the injections)

[grim quail]

If it's a subscript it may not be that confusing, but I guess it's dependant on what you're making really.

[dawn flower]

yeh you also have to write it in a way where you always have the defs you need available in the queue before you run it

i think its just preference tbh

[grim quail]

Usually I only make subscripts if it's relative to only that script and I find it better to keep as a subscript instead of cluttering up the main script I'm working on.

[dawn flower]

both do the same thing in a slightly different way

[grim quail]

I obviously can't do this with my 150+ line script to replicate player death.

[dawn flower]

i do dis too

im a sucker for readibility

[grim quail]

( If you need to know why I have a script to simulate player death, the bed message for it being missing/obstructured is client only and cannot be suppressed )

[cloud sigil]

Who needs readability when you have Ctrl+F

only way to find anything in my code is by using ctrl f

[dawn flower]

D: what.

i dont think ive ever done that

[cloud sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-3998567347368525851

[dawn flower]

i just scroll

[cloud sigil]

crazy

[dawn flower]

and leave like the red comment thingys

to separate/mark stuff

[cloud sigil]

ahh I do that too, sometimes

[dawn flower]

crazy how much ive come to use comments tbh

mainly because 90% of the code i write is for other people but still

i used to just forget they exist

[foggy gorge]

i have a subset of scripts i call 'bedit' (my server is named b, it's kind of like a world-edit) and i keep each command for that and all my essentials-esque commands in their own file

[cloud sigil]

hmm I see

yeah I might spread everything over a few seperate files when im done with my abomination

[sterile hare]

i know this isnt a place for support but i have just a quick question that i dont think requires a thread, can i ask it here? its just like one tag probably

[dawn flower]

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[sterile hare]

okay understood ill remember it 👍

[next magnet]

should i learn denizen

[cloud sigil]

Do you want to make plugins?

for Minecraft

[next magnet]

Well i already have

in java

and in skript for smaller stuff

[cloud sigil]

Denizen > Java

[next magnet]

im just wondering if knowing denizen and being able to help people using it is worth it

[next magnet]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[cloud sigil]

The amount of people using Denizen is way smaller than Java so idk if it's best if you purely want to help a lot of people out. But tbh, if you already know Java and have made multiple plugins with it, it really won't take long to learn Denizen

[next magnet]

yeah i know

i know hte logic

i just need the syntax

[cloud sigil]

Not sure what you're asking here lol. Maybe someone else should answer that's more experienced with Denizen

[next magnet]

i just need denizen docs

[dawn flower]

You can search the meta

!help

[weary moth]

Bot Command Help

**Available Informational Commands:**

help shows help output
hello shows a source code link
update [project ...] shows an update link for the named project(s)
github [project ...] shows a GitHub link for the named project(s)
issues [project ...] shows an issue posting link for the named project(s)
info <name ...> shows a prewritten informational notice reply
rule [rule ...] shows the identified rule
quote [quote] shows a random quote that matches the search (if any)

**Available Utility Commands:**

logcheck <link> gathers information from a server log paste
versioncheck <version text> checks whether a project version is current
script <link> checks a linked script for basic syntax validity

**Available Meta Docs Commands:**

command [name] [usage/tags] to search commands
mechanism [name] to search mechanisms
tag [name] to search tags
objecttype [name] to search object types
event [name] to search world script events
action [name] to search NPC assignment actions
language [name] to search language docs
guide [name] to search the beginner's guide pages
search [keyword] to search all meta docs

[dawn flower]

anything that comes up here has a link to it that takes you the meta website too

also

!guide

[weary moth]

Guides

View the Denizen Beginner's Guide at https://guide.denizenscript.com/

[next magnet]

cool beans

also hi iroh

[dawn flower]

hi :)

[next magnet]

hmm

this syntax is a little cringe

[dawn flower]

personally i have no issue w it

you get used to it after a while

you can also setup vsc script editor for highlights and stuff

[next magnet]

Bukkit doesn't have an event for messages sent to a player i mean it does let you get all recipients from a chat event

unless it means denizen has an event that will fire whenever any message is sent to a player's chat

which u can do with packets

[foggy gorge]

bukkit does not, incorrect

spigot however does

[wild cosmos]

depends

[next magnet]

well yeah bukkit doesnt

seeing as it was shutdown in 2014

but spigot and paper do

[foggy gorge]

thats uh, why im responding lol

i mean it does let you get all recipients from a chat event
youre stating it does

it does not

[cloud sigil]

Ofcourse it's different for everyone. For me it's better than Java.

[next magnet]

yeah sorry brain was a little backwards

bukkit does not

[foggy gorge]

no worries

If you want to react to what players say, you can use the AsyncPlayerChatEvent

but its not recommended

[foggy ember]

There's a packet event and a normal chat event

[next magnet]

mhm

[foggy ember]

One is for any message being sent to a player, one is for a player chatting

[next magnet]

well i mean im bored and ik the logic so theres no real reason not to learn denizen

and then surely next i hop on KubeJS

[foggy gorge]

if you see issues, you can always pr directly to denizen :D

[next magnet]

does denizen have api for denizen addons, like skript does, or does a user have to PR to suggest new syntax?

[foggy gorge]

somewhat; reference dDiscord and Depenizen

!github depenizen

[weary moth]

Depenizen on GitHub

Depenizen can be found on GitHub at: https://github.com/DenizenScript/Depenizen

[foggy gorge]

!github ddiscordbot

[weary moth]

dDiscordBot on GitHub

dDiscordBot can be found on GitHub at: https://github.com/DenizenScript/dDiscordBot

[next magnet]

wdym by somewhat

i assume depenizen is an addon allowing for citizen syntax with denizen?

[low radish]

the answer is yes not somewhat

full addon support

[next magnet]

cool beans

[low radish]

we just try to centralize things more vs skript leaves a spread out mess

[low radish]

idk what "citizen syntax" is, if you mean Citizens that's natively supported in Denizen

Depenizen is a bulk addon for a variety of other plugins

essentials, mythicmobs, etc. etc. bunch of random plugins, Depenizen adds script features for them

[next magnet]

ah, awesome

1 more thing

does denizen have placeholder support?

[low radish]

PlaceholderAPI, yes, through Depenizen https://meta.denizenscript.com/Docs/Search/placeholder

[next magnet]

so it can interact with, use, and create placeholers?

[low radish]

yes

[next magnet]

ok that sgood just needed to know that so i can comminucate between it and my skripts

[next magnet]

hmm

alright ty

i'll probably get around to it

[soft pewter]

@next magnet I love your profile picture, hollow knight is an amazing game

[next magnet]

TRUE

i comissioned this from someone they're great

[soft pewter]

Awesome!

[cloud sigil]

If I notice certain effect or particle names not working in Denizen, (such as MCJava sound poof being called explosion in denizen, which is the same as in bedrock), should I mention that in a bugthread/featurethread or is that usually intentional or cant that be fixed?

Or not worth fixing

Ive been confused multiple times with denizen bcs sound effects or particles are named differently than when using the in game /playsound or /particle commands

[dawn flower]

can't go wrong with making a thread imo

if it's intentional/can't be fixed someone will let you know

[cloud sigil]

bug or feature thread in that case?

[dawn flower]

uhhh

good question

id mark it as bug i guess, helpers n devs can change to what they see fit

[fleet kernel]

usually a spigot thing

[next magnet]

✨ spigot names ✨

[cloud sigil]

Ever find yourself on an ice sheet with 50 zombies surrounding you? Don't worry! Just make 3 identical copies of yourself and let the monsters follow them instead.

(About 25% will still follow you, it's divided over the 4 you's)

[sullen bay]

I know someone who watched Naruto

[cloud sigil]

what?

Only thing I know about Naruto is that stupid run

[sullen bay]

I think he can clone himself

Your effect, pretty much

[cloud sigil]

My effect is cooler

[sullen bay]

i'm onto something

from this

to this

this

and this

and finally, this

[cosmic tide]

!rule 2

[sullen bay]

not my cleanest script but it gets the job done in 53 lines, featuring:

• -a -bc -defg -h-format flags -> li@a|b|c|d|e|f|g|h
• --foo=bar and/or --baz qux-format options -> map@[foo=bar;baz=qux]
• positional arguments
• optional description for each option, flag and positional argument provided to the user if they type ?
• parsing of the command into a maptag of its components

also, simple validation while typing

and tells you to shut up when there are no longer arguments

not gonna lie, shit's good

[cosmic tide]

:O

Since when can you color the autofill?!

[sullen bay]

since the dawn of time

been doing this since 2021

are you proud of my proc monkey ?

[dawn flower]

Looks very yummy

[sullen bay]

just added a setting so you can allow an option to be set multiple times
the option will continuously be tab completed if true

[foggy gorge]

now make sexy jutsu

im not posting the gifs available

[cloud sigil]

my eyes

why

why did you make me look that up

[foggy gorge]

its like one of the first things naruto does

hilarious af

[cloud sigil]

....

this was in no way inspired by naruto why does everyone mention him lol

[foggy gorge]

it absolutely is lol he was supposed to perform like, a shadow clone jitsu, but instead did a sexy jitsu

it definitely worked

[cloud sigil]

...

[foggy gorge]

@small kernel when does naruto perform sexy jitsu first

[small kernel]

In the anime series of Naruto, you'll find that Sakura performs a sexier jutsu first. It's called Sexy No Jutsu, and it appears in episode 107, which is part of the Chuunin Exam arc.

[foggy gorge]

wait

NO LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPXN7F__qTQ

[cloud sigil]

how is this even close lol

[foggy gorge]

he uses it in battle once and makes like twenty of them KEK

[cloud sigil]

...

[old venture]

excuse me that's the harem jutsu

which comes with it's counterpart, the reverse harem jutsu (yep you guessed it, bunch of handsome naked men)

[cloud sigil]

little thing I made

[old venture]

oooo thats cool

can you share?

[cloud sigil]

Would love to but I'm making this for another server, along with the other things I've (and all of you through the threads lol) been working on in the past 2 weeks

And they don't allow me to share the plugin which is reasonable imo

[sullen bay]

Do they pay you ?

[cloud sigil]

no

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-the-frog-sad-crying-gif-16026853

To be fair, I offered to do it for them

so I didn't expect payment

also didn't expect this to take MORE THAN 200* FUCKINGS HOURS (the todo list kept getting bigger and bigger lol.)

*estimated number that's probably very accurate

[foggy gorge]

id agree, i see you a lot lol

[cloud sigil]

but... to be fair, again, I simultaneously made this plugin and learnt denizen

wouldve probably gone way faster if I knew denizen

[cloud sigil]

True haha. The days of having 6 threads open at the same time have gone now though. Apparently I'm slowly getting better... or I'm just doing less complicated things

[grim quail]

You say plugin.

Do you mean script?

[cloud sigil]

script yeah

but we call it a plugin

Because all you have to do is plug it in the plugin

so plugin makes sense for plugging plugins in plugins

[cosmic tide]

Most plugins aren't plugin

But mine is and that makes me proud

You should be too

"Keep it simple stupid" is a good motto

[cloud sigil]

what makes a plugin a plugin?

that its easy to plug it in and use?

[sullen bay]

drop in ready i believe ye ?

keeping things drop in ready is limitating tho

there are many things in my scripts that make them not plug and play-able, but makes life so much easier

[bitter crown]

do you think denizen will support velocity instead of just bungee?

papermc discontinued waterfall

[cloud sigil]

this was so surprisingly easy to make

and probably one of my favourites

[soft pewter]

yooo that's epic

[dawn flower]

looks neat

[fleet kernel]

i wish unity was as easy as denizen

or have as good of a support idsocrd

[graceful laurel]

port denizen over to unity

ez

[cursive tide]

Use Frenetic Game Engine instead.

[cloud sigil]

what do you guys prefer:```

• define items <context.args.get[2].split[|]> #returns li@[bolt:20|microprocessor:5|...]

• foreach <[items]> as:item:

  • define amount <[item].split[:].get[2]>
  • define item <[item].split[:].get[1]>
  • define items:->:<[item].mul[<[amount]>]

• foreach <[items]> as:item:

  • define items:->:<[item].split[:].get[1].mul[<[item].split[:].get[2]>]>```
    being the crazy dumbass that I am, I prefer the latter

[dawn flower]

confusion

specifically at .mul[]

[cloud sigil]

the second one just merges everything together that's in the first one

[dawn flower]

yes i get that

but you can't multiply something that isn't an integer

or am i too sleep deprived

[cloud sigil]

Im probably wrong. I wrote this in notepad

let me check the docs

[foggy ember]

#actives-only message

[cloud sigil]

whats that

[cloud sigil]

right, you can't... but you get what I mean. Basically add y to the list x times

[dawn flower]

so like bolt|bolt|bolt|bolt...?

[cloud sigil]

yes

[foggy ember]

But also, <context.args.get[2].split[|].parse_tag[<[parse_value].contains_text[:].if_true[<[parse_value].before[:].repeat_as_list[<[parse_value].after[:]>]>].if_false[Invalid input!]>].merge> easy

If that somehow works without syntax errors, I'll uh

[frozen brook]

Tag parse results for <list[bolt:7|microprocessor:5].parse_tag[<[parse_value].before[:].repeat_as_list[<[parse_value].after[:]>]>].combine>: https://paste.denizenscript.com/View/123694

li@bolt|bolt|bolt|bolt|bolt|bolt|bolt|microprocessor|microprocessor|microprocessor|microprocessor|microprocessor|

[cloud sigil]

I was thinking about parsing it but gave up lmao

hippity hoppity that code is now my property

[foggy ember]

Oh, it's .combine

[dawn flower]

smh .merge

!badanswers

[weary moth]

Info: badanswers

Wrong answers are worse than no answers!

AKA: Know what you know! Short version: Don't answer questions from users if you don't absolutely know the answer for sure. It's much worse than simply waiting for somebody else to answer.

Please read the full writeup on the forum explaining this idea: https://forum.denizenscript.com/threads/public-information-writeup-wrong-answers-are-worse-than-no-answers.264/

[foggy ember]

I'm using 4 different languages at once :(

[dawn flower]

it's ok, you can have a cookie too

🍪

[foggy ember]

The amount of times I tried typing if () {/- if in Python today

[sinful spindle]

- define items <context.args.get[2].split[|]> #returns li@[bolt:20|microprocessor:5|...]
uhh

oh

nevermind lol

[cloud sigil]

lmao I know that issue

Had that when switching from C# to python

[frozen brook]

Tag parse results for (Spam): https://paste.denizenscript.com/View/123695

Input too long, refused.```

[cloud sigil]

ffs

it wasnt even long

[frozen brook]

Tag parse results for (Spam): https://paste.denizenscript.com/View/123696

Input too long, refused.```

[cloud sigil]

wtf

I inputted 3 items

<context.args.get[2].split[|].parse_tag[<[parse_value].contains_text[:].if_true[<before[:].repeat_as_list[<[parse_value].after[:]>]>]>].if_false[<[parse_value]>].combine>

[frozen brook]

The source script for dTagParser can be found at https://paste.denizenscript.com/View/90440

[dawn flower]

I didn't know tag parser was a script :o

[cloud sigil]

tagparser is just a group of people checking every channel 24/7 and processing scripts asap

Ill just combine my entire script into one line using a parsetag

[sullen bay]

i prefer using - define ARGS <context.raw_args.proc[parse_command_arguments]>

then i can do <[ARGS.OPTIONS].get[bolt]>

[old venture]

true

i love making procs

[wild cosmos]

oh so you love making procs? Then youll find this interesting https://discord.com/channels/315163488085475337/1250752802389491752

🤭

[grim quail]

Why .get, I might be a bit silly but why cant' you just <[args.options.bolt]>?

Also wondering if anyone has tried to replicate essentials in denizen and made a public script for that, I noticed essentialsx wasn't updated and made me consider just porting almost everything.

[unkempt torrent]

There are a couple

https://github.com/Hydroxycobalamin/Utilizen

check this ol' ancient thingy!

[sullen bay]

That’s what I do just wanted to make the example clearer

[sullen bay]

No advertising!!!!!!!!!!

[foggy gorge]

im seeing a lot of changes not being mentioned anywhere here yet i feel like, or im not finding it via search

playeffect's redstone effect is now red_dust - that broke so many of my scripts lol

[foggy ember]

That's part of the 1.20.6 unstableness, Spigot renamed a bunch of stuff - were probably going to have backwards compatibility + a proper deprecation for that

[foggy gorge]

oooof

[foggy ember]

It is a nice change overall because it makes stuff match the Minecraft names, just a bit annoying to update to (although scripts using the old names will keep working for a while ofc)

[thorn bone]

why does some of my expired threads appear randomly?

https://discord.com/channels/315163488085475337/1232094403833626735

my only guess was: somebody mentioned it

[low radish]

not expired, just haven't been posted in a while

Discord has a 1 month timeout on threads but we have a bot that blocks the timeout and keeps them open

when that timeout bounce hits it temporarily moves back up as if activity happened

[thorn bone]

oh I see

[old venture]

#changelog message

wind charge entity?? what??

[fleet kernel]

entity

the explosion

pew pew

[old venture]

i have no idea what that is

is minecraft slowly turning into an rpg?? is that an actual wind enemy??

wtf is a wind_charged potion effect 😭

[soft pewter]

yay armadillo

[raven barn]

+> YAY!!!

[old venture]

ooooOOOoooOOooooOOOooo

i'll definitely update to 1.21

[cloud sigil]

Yeah it is. This entire update is just rpg related

Maybe the auto crafters not but thats the exception

[mossy tide]

Oooh we get modifiers to block break speed?? Finally the last part to custom tools

Really a lot of these modifiers are stuff mods have already added, so it'll be nice to finally have it properly in-game

[old venture]

seems that it's applied directly to the player not the tool, so a bit of extra handling in script there, but YEEESS FINALLY

[old venture]

bruh

bring notch back wtf they're turning minecraft into generic pixel rogue-like #3

[fleet kernel]

play the ypdaye

[fleet kernel]

what

its not item nbt??

wait so is there block hardness

[foggy ember]

I'm pretty sure these are game events lol

Or sounds* I guess

A wind charge is a projectile though

[foggy ember]

You don't even need the attributes for that, there's a tool item component you can just apply to any item

[foggy gorge]

Data Pack version is now 48 Resource Pack version is now 34
jfc we got high up there pretty fast

[old venture]

yeah but sounds are generally formatted like type_name_sound, such as entity_zombie_death. so seeing entity_wind_charge_throw implies there's a wind charge entity

[old venture]

did this come in 1.21 or have i just never seen that

does it set the item's tool equivalent?

like modifyblock's tool arg?

[foggy ember]

NBT was entirely removed and replaced with item components in 1.20.5

One of these is the tool component, which lets you set tool stuff about items (e.g. breaking speed, blocks it's good for, etc.)

[old venture]

yooooooo

alright yeah i have a lot of stuff to learn when i update to 1.21 lol

[foggy ember]

Someone didn't read every single snapshot changelog in it's entirety

[mossy tide]

Ooh I didn't realize stuff was changed that much. Excited regardless. Now all my tools don't have to have iron mining speed. Can we manage max durability too?

[foggy ember]

Yep

You can go through the release notes, they include all of them

[next magnet]

does denizen have the ability to import java classes with reflection?

[soft pewter]

!makepost

[weary moth]

Info: makepost

If you have a support question, please make a forum post for it!

"But it's just a yes/no question!"
We hear this from users quite often, and, frankly, it almost never is just a yes/no question - many seemingly simple questions lead to long answers or complex debugging or interesting discussions or...

"But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared"
All the more reason to use forum posts! When you're typing the title, it auto-searches existing posts, and thus if you're asking a repeat question, you'll instantly find the prior time it was asked, and the answer it had then, before you even press enter on your post!

"But it's not worth bothering"
Good news: it takes almost no more effort to make a post than to type in a channel! It's really really easy!

"But I don't want to annoy the helpers"
A forum post won't annoy us! We prefer it! Most of us don't get pinged or anything, it's fine!

[next magnet]

im just curious i dont need help with it

i mean i canmake a post

[foggy gorge]

let it groww

[soft pewter]

omg that's so cool

[unkempt torrent]

maaaagic 🪄

[dawn flower]

super cool

[barren elm]

Anyone know if Denizens is on Aternos? I searched it up and didn't find it, but Aternos likes to mess with the names of the plugins

[sullen bay]

!nos

[weary moth]

Info: nos

The name of our project is "Denizen" (there's no "s" on the end, unlike "Citizens").

[barren elm]

Denizen just brings up Citizens2

[barren elm]

also someone made a command for that? lol

[sullen bay]

can't mention Aternos messing up names if you mess up names yourself, huh

[barren elm]

it's not there regardless

[sullen bay]

!freeservers

[weary moth]

Info: freeservers

Free server providers (like Aternos, Minehut) usually have limitations that make them difficult to support, and there are usually better options available to most people, such as home-hosting. Refer to the FAQ page: https://wiki.citizensnpcs.co/Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_have_a_free_server_.28Aternos.2C_Minehut.2C_....29_but_there.27s_problems.

[barren elm]

it didn't say anything about availability of denizens

two times its mentioned:
"If you really really really need it to get to the exact decimal perfect coordinates, you'll have to write a script using Denizen or similar, that teleports the NPC after pathfinding ends."
"D: You can build your own shop system and directly integrate it with NPCs by writing a Denizen Script."

[sullen bay]

this only refers the specific part about free servers

tl;dr: you won't get far with Denizen on a free server (especially with Denizen), so you better try and run either a VPS or homehost

[cosmic tide]

Also make a post next time

[barren elm]

wasn't sure how significant the question would be

[barren elm]

so its maybe available, but not worth it to look for it

[sullen bay]

no clue

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[sullen bay]

the simple fact you can't just put the jar you need to use is a problem

so you might get it to work, or might not
if you happen to make it work, you might or not be able to edit scripts

also ye, denizen requires file system access since it uses scripts (which are put in files)

[barren elm]

ohh ok

aternos moment

[sullen bay]

so assuming you can't put jars, you likely can't access the filesystem for scripts either
don't know Aternos enough but would be expected

so ye, homehost or just get a server

[barren elm]

you can add specific plugins that they have on their site
and you can access folders and stuff but it's weird

aternos is a tyrant so you can't add any jar you want but you can add text files i think

[sullen bay]

make a threadpost for follow up

[barren elm]

ok

i think thats' it though thank you

[soft pewter]

Always make a post no matter how insignificant your question may be. Sometimes questions like that lead to long conversations like this one 😅

[barren elm]

fair fair

[sullen bay]

But it's just a yes/no question!

[soft pewter]

!makepost

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[sullen bay]

But I don't want to annoy the helpers

[sullen bay]

But you've probably gotten this question before and have the answer prepared

[soft pewter]

Your questions never annoy us

[sullen bay]

But it's not worth bothering

[foggy gorge]

yay

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+> YAY!!!

[sullen bay]

yay

[raven barn]

+> YAY!!!

[soft pewter]

It’s always worth bothering

[sullen bay]

where does the +> thing comes from