#Expropriate in B2 The Valeyard

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celest flower
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Hey, I'd love to hear y'alls thoughts on this: so I built a bracket 2 The Valeyard deck (decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/jynGst6i10S9CbQ4ltlbsg) with the goal of casting as many villainous choices and votes as possbile. Hence a bunch of copy spells and a choice selection of the decent vote and choice spells. Now most of these are not that great at winning games, with the exception of Expropriate. Now technically this card can violate the bracket rules of not chaining together extra turns in this deck, however personally i feel like if i get to cast expropriate with like 3 valeyards in play, then the game probably has gone on for long enough and at that point just winning feels deserved for the amount of setup it takes. Also the card just feels very thematic in the deck. But of course that's just my opinion and i'd like to hear yours

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marsh cypress
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I think it should be fine, just pack an extra card on the side board just in case and ask about it in rule 0

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It isnt a game changer, so, its not like big "you cant run this"

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And it does exile itself so it isnt like going to be abused with arcane bombardment

fading vector
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Seriously you have Illusion of Choice + Expropriate and think this is a 2?

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Also you have Vivi so getting enough mana isn’t really that hard.

celest flower
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i hear you, i'm probably just gonna keep it out of the deck (even tho in my mind, for the same mana as illusion of choice + expropriate i can cast an omniscience which also basically just says "you win"), but bracket 4 is a crazy call ngl. the average bracket 4 deck is gonna put a win on the stack before i cast my commander

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celest flower
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as i said, i'm taking it out. i'm just saying, whats the difference between this and say a rise of the dark realms or a craterhoof behemoth. they're all simply ways of presenting an (almost) definitive win

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marsh cypress
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I still think its can be argued to be included and it still be a 2

barren fog
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After looking online and looking at multiple other opinions of expropriate and comparing it to opinions of cards like [[time stretch]] in terms of bracket 2, I have a personal opinion on this.

Based off of the opinions of most players online, expropriate and other extra turn effects only becomes turn chaining if you have a way to guarantee more than one extra turn with it with the cards you have in your deck.

You do have a way to guarantee that with extra votes and copy effects, so by definition it would be turn chaining. You also have cards that let you copy instants and sorceries you cast, so those also count for the purposes of chaining it.

By definition, this deck is not bracket 2.

I say if you want your deck to stay bracket 2, take it out and also take plea for power out since you have plenty of effects that can copy instants and sorceries.

On a side note, IMO they should make chaining extra turns allowable in bracket 3 now that they've unbanned coalition victory and biorythym, but that's a personal opinion that not everyone would agree with.

novel glenBOT
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barren fog
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Eh, I'm not gonna make any arguments here, but I'm gonna hard disagree on the grounds that biorhythym and Coalition victory guarantee the win if your opponents can't interact, while extra turn chains don't guarantee the win.

fading vector
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Also Bio and Coalition are GCs.

barren fog
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w> I know. I'm not arguing on their interactability.
And that's also why I said bracket 3

fading vector
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Also let’s move this to #edh-commander

marsh cypress
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I still think you can always have it on the side and ask if it is okay to run

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Aka, rule zero it in and let them dictate if its okay in the game

random abyss