A roof-Mounted Laser

[wet ember]

My idea is a roof mounted laser that has med damage but slow fire rate.
damage per shot: 8000
dmg per shot against shields: 4000
fire rate: 0.2/s
energy consumption per shot: 2
size: 5x5
range: 200
firing arc: 270 degrees
penetration: 3 tiles
price: 25k
can be effectively countered with shields, flak.
When the bolt hits, it causes a small explosion (5 tiles) that does medium aoe damage (doesn't start fires)

[errant sphinx]

mining laser)

[wet ember]

mining laser is for mining and not really a weapon

[amber arrow]

the issue with roof mounted weapons is balance

[true inlet]

mining lasers are very potent as a weapon, only drawback being no chain reactions

Near perfect accuracy, and better damage/energy than heavy blasters

Also hitscan

[wet ember]

they have a very short range

[young brook]

and?

[true inlet]

that's not really a problem, you get to have armor on top of them to close in

[wet ember]

they can be kited easily

[wet ember]

wdym

[rigid cloak]

Roof weapons can be put behind a very large amount of armour and shields, so even one with low dps can be very strong.
also they are easy to spam

[amber arrow]

if there roof mounted you can just spam them behind armour, thats why the DC has the stun effect

a roof mounter weapon with pratically infinate ammo would be a pain to deal with

[wet ember]

the roof mounted laser i think of has kinda low dmg, and it requires more power than standard lasers

and plus, they are bulky

[raw arrow]

I remember when small lasers had 50m less range and consumed twice as much energy, now there are a bit more capable of being used in combat. Not optimal, but better

A roof mounted laser should have some special mechanic to be worth the addition

Maybe burn stuff? Maybe uses a special frequency that ignores enemy shields?

[wet ember]

the laser bolts make a small explosion when it hits a target, causing light aoe damage. the explosion doesnt start fires though

[carmine parcel]

i gotta draw an entire roof weapon related slide for this stuff

the entire roof weapon balance idea im looking towards is making its preformance degrade based on depth in hull

[raw arrow]

Interesting.....

[modest owl]

Maybe its not technically a roof mounted weapon but is instead an internal weapon that shoots through your ship, making each tile passed through degrade its damage

[rigid cloak]

so imagine just hole in ship, like railguns?

[wet ember]

i dont know how that would work..

[rigid cloak]

I think it is more of an idea, just put IgnoreLowShipCollisions = True and it achieves the same effect

[runic mulch]

you have never met its power

[wet ember]

ik its power

[runic mulch]

mining lasers are disturbingly effective

[wet ember]

the thing wrong with them is they have a very slow traverse speed and one of the shortest ranges in the game (only higher than pd)

[amber arrow]

just makes them a rammer focused weapon

[wet ember]

they also dont cause laser like dmg and when they kill reactors, the reactors dont explode so it is much harder to kill ships

[amber arrow]

why? all weapons blow up reactors

also that dosnt fix opness

[wet ember]

mining lasers dont explode reactors

[amber arrow]

yea cause there not a proper weapon

all other laser weapons do

[wet ember]

ik

[amber arrow]

so why not keep things consistent

[wet ember]

oh

u thought i was talking about the root top laser

[amber arrow]

you mean the topic, yea

[wet ember]

srry :/ i was talking about the mining laser not exploding reactors to @runic mulch

[runic mulch]

yeah i know

[errant sphinx]

The thing is with roof weapons, you can make them like ions, effective at low range, for balance or just make them low range like DC, or the mining laser, and it's the same output, a rammer using armour and likely shields, this will either be better than the DC and replace it,or be worse than the DC and be overshadowed entirely by it

[fast nexus]

this is probably coming but id just like more energy weapons in general theresl ike 5 and 1 is a mining tool and the other is for EMPing

idc if they're roof mounted or not

[compact badger]

for balance they could over heat and cause stuff around it to lose power

[sacred trout]

Did you see the amount of freaking Nerf it got?

Rn it literally has no damage

ANY other weapon in the game except for PD is stronger

[fast nexus]

tbf
PD is really funny

you know what isnt funny? mining laser

[sacred trout]

DC is literally OP and everyone okay with it? Considering that this laser is big and its stats are okay it won't be that OP

[sacred trout]

YEAH, with PD you canat least laugh, with mining laser you suffer

[fast nexus]

PD death is humilating for the enemy beacuse LMAO you just died to point defense haha loser

(only bully AI)

[sacred trout]

Tbh, this idea is not OP AT ALL, it has 1/3 penetration of DC, deals a bit more damage, but they both deal a lot of damage anyways, a bit more range than DC but if DC shoots 5 times in 4 seconds, this weapon shoots once in 5 seconds

Plus its more expensive, bigger and deals less damage to shields

[sacred trout]

I literally have ships that use only PD and some EMP xD

[fast nexus]

EMP death is also humiliating

[sacred trout]

No shields, no problem for 100+ PD :D

[sacred trout]

In demo those were called "noob tester"s, they literally tested user and ship if ship was a noob ship or user was a noob

[fast nexus]

i probably am though im in career

i use shields a lot as steel costs are a bitch later

[karmic quail]

dc is nowhere near op

if anything mining lasers are op

[sacred trout]

great joke bruh

[karmic quail]

its not

obviously

[sacred trout]

then you have some big problems

you should check if you have mind goblin

[karmic quail]

you should try actually using them in combat

before forming unfounded conclusions

they have pretty solid dps, are hitscan, have good tracking, and infinite damage due to being energy based

[sacred trout]

I said it all after making over 15 ships based on mining lasers

[karmic quail]

you built them wrong, then

there is a reason they got nerfed in the release candidate

[sacred trout]

low dps, their dps is literally 1K, thats half of ion's damage

[karmic quail]

at half their cost yes

[sacred trout]

hitscan? ion has hitscan

[karmic quail]

ions are also not roof mounted and hve terrible tracking

[sacred trout]

with half of their range, energy comsumption and without ability to fuse

[karmic quail]

terrible or just no tracking

[karmic quail]

combining makes ions worse anyways

[sacred trout]

show me a good mining lasers ship then

[karmic quail]

energy consumpiton is obviously a massive upside

[sacred trout]

if its so OP

[karmic quail]

not mine

[sacred trout]

lol

[karmic quail]

mining laser rammer

[sacred trout]

DC will overpower it in this case lol

[karmic quail]

it doesnt

has been tested

in pvp

[sacred trout]

1M ship

[karmic quail]

mining lasers just dig through the armor faster than dc can, if not due to their dps the fact they are actually capable of concentrating damage while dcs have awful accuracy and shot speed making them incapable of effectively digging through concentrated armor

[sacred trout]

gets beaten easily

[karmic quail]

yeah half the lasers will be unable to fire 90% of the time

dont blame the weapon when ur using them poorly

[sacred trout]

they all can shoot normally -_-

[karmic quail]

yeah maybe perfectly forward

but they will be unable to actually aim whatsoever and concentrate damage

[sacred trout]

I tested it before, 70 degree arc of fire

[karmic quail]

plus you dont have enough armlr

[sacred trout]

1M ship, not 1.5M

[karmic quail]

nowhere near enough for mining lasers

[sacred trout]

they do it easily

[karmic quail]

clearly not since you said it loses out

[sacred trout]

you never seen actually good DC rammers?

[karmic quail]

ive seen many as i actually play pvp

[sacred trout]

so do I, and I can say for sure, DC has no problems with concetrating damage

[karmic quail]

it has quite a few versus competent pilots that know how to juke shots and spread damage

[sacred trout]

plus you said about concetration, but throw this thing?

great concetration in 2 different places

and yeah, Mining lasers have huge perfect counter in face of CG rammers and Ion rammers that has better damage concetration

anyways, you can for sure say that this idea is NOT OP, compared to your OP mining lasers as you say

[amber arrow]

Can we keep this on topic, thanks

[bold bolt]

Yeah agree. Should be carefull with those.

[bold bolt]

But kinda added a simmilar one to my "Maltis Game Overhaul Core Mod" which could satisfy your needs.
It's a bit different, f ex. Does extra shield damage than less... but the basic Idea is pretty simmilar also stats do not differ too much. Might wanna check that out 😉

[green plank]

Deck cannons can be kited too, the other roof weapon the game has, I don't see the problem with it, for unbalanced stuff you can download mods