Enemies warp away when the player flies to far

[north sentinel]

[Idea of the original post: Adding a rod that only affects ships which passed the border into the circle around missions would be a good way to discourage kites. It would disappear after no more enemies are in the rod.
This could either be optional or added on higher difficulties.]

edit: @umbral citrus suggested that enemies warp away and you get no bounty when you run to far away. I think that instead of a damaging circle we could just have enemies warp when you leave the circle.
That would be more immersive and would still allow you to retreat a threat thats to great to deal with.
Also add a second pretty small ring around enemies: #1134199545417437184 message

[brave canopy]

Ok but what if almost half your ship is destroyed and you need to go to a station to repair

[north sentinel]

Shouldnt have gotten damaged

[brave canopy]

I mean fair I guess lol

[north sentinel]

On a serious note thats a valid concern which is why it should be optional

[light bloom]

I also want to point out this wouldn't be very immersive

If you want to prevent kiting id rather the pirates call reinforcements or something

[north sentinel]

that would not help

[light bloom]

But also would be a bit silly to hard block kiting when there are kiting pirate ships

Would be funny to see them fly into sudden RoD I suppose

[north sentinel]

its not a hard block

look at pvp

we have a rod but kites stil exist

[light bloom]

In pvp you just have to win, it doesn't matter how much damage you take

In career if you take damage that's more than like 10% of the value of the ship it's a net loss

I'm pretty sure a career RoD would be a hard block cause of how low that profitability threshold is

[north sentinel]

but the rod is so big that it will barely affect gameplay in most scenarios

[north sentinel]

you can just go along the border with the kite

thats how some pvp matches go too

Of course you cant just fly backwards in a stright line anymore thats the point

[light bloom]

I'd still rather defeat kite cheese in other more immersive ways, that don't prevent you from aborting and repairing

Because with an RoD like this, if you realize you bit off more than you could chew you're screwed, game over

[north sentinel]

The problem is that if you are able to abort and repair you will also be able to cheese

I agree that its not very immersive

I personally dont care but I can see why people would dislike it

[light bloom]

Also how would it interact with other sets of ships in the same system? Is my factory ship sitting next to the station gonna melt now? Or a second set of combat ships going after a different nearby bounty

[north sentinel]

As I wrote "that only affects ships which passed the border into the circle"

[light bloom]

So it's not cheesing cause 1 that costs money/resources, but 2 just make it so the pirate also repairs

[light bloom]

I missed that part my b

[north sentinel]

I mainly meant kiting with that not repairing

[umbral citrus]

Could have bounty ship use hyperdrive and escape if you run to far away

Would be a bit more immersive and still have the negative affect

[north sentinel]

Thats actually a cool idea if you want to prevent players from running and repairing but it doesnt help against kiting

[umbral citrus]

Ship escapes you get no bounty

[light bloom]

So there's a threshold where the pirate will turn around and fly back toward the bounty origin in current behavior

(I know from kiting cheese)

Make something happen when that threshold gets hit to discourage kiting

[north sentinel]

then you follow and repeat that wouldnt help

[light bloom]

I like the pirate ftl jumps away and you lose the bounty

I'd also propose a fast pirate rammer spawns (offscreen) and goes after you as reinforcements

[north sentinel]

Was that in response to me?

[umbral citrus]

Ye

[north sentinel]

You can just stay in range using the kite

[light bloom]

It'd be especially funny if it spawns behind you

[umbral citrus]

Well yes, but less cheesy to kite in circle

[north sentinel]

Its not reasonable to reduse the threshhold bellow the range that would be needed

[umbral citrus]

No good way to discourage kites tbh

[light bloom]

You could do that with an RoD also? Just stay in range via circle

[umbral citrus]

Antikiting behavior might also appear with better ai

Like escaping/calling backup

[north sentinel]

Its different. In the circle you have to change direction which is a big deal

[north sentinel]

Both would not help

[umbral citrus]

Ye, so my idea is ship has circular bounty area where if you are out of its weapon range when you cross it ship warps away and you loose bounty

[umbral citrus]

If backup spawned behind you it could,

[north sentinel]

just tilt once and continue

They would have to spawn almost right on you

which would not be much fun

[umbral citrus]

True ig, but could be punishing if you dont notice them

Kiting will always work tho, no great way to stop it

[north sentinel]

I actually really like that idea

Fullfills the same purpose is immersive and allows you to retreat with a downside

But I think that area should be around the mission not the ship

[light bloom]

Yeah I like this idea also. There also is already a circle, since there's the turn around and go back to bounty center line

[umbral citrus]

Yeah, ideally 2x rings smaller one around ship and bigger one around bounty area, and if out of both it runs away

[light bloom]

Just use that same threshold (for the bigger circle around the bounty area)

[umbral citrus]

Since it warping away from being right ontop of you would be funny

[north sentinel]

Wow did you just come to a constructive solution?

[light bloom]

It would be kinda funny if the pirate auto rammed you out of the bigger circle and then warped lol

Good point on needing the 2 circles

[weary sinew]

Better AI would definitely hurt the majority of kites

As there is a big weakness to a kite, called ramming, Ul fast walls for example have killed many kites

And those ships do it by ramming

[north sentinel]

The problem is that most built in ships are to slow

[light bloom]

There are a lot of newer ships that are rammers and get a lot faster yhan before, but still not to pvp standards

I think you have to beat ~90 mps now to outrun everything in career

Vs it used to be ~75 mps (not long after steam launch) in my experience

[north sentinel]

Thats still to slow

[light bloom]

If a reinforcements idea gets implemented in any shape for whatever reason I'd definitely vote the reinforcements are always faster ships (makes sense thematically and better at countering stuff)

[north sentinel]

I think youd need ~110

[light bloom]

Idk I don't think career should have to force pvp meta (speed meta) to do well

At least on normal

If we want a harder mode with faster ships I'd vote add speed to the difficulty sliders

[north sentinel]

I agree

Thats why Im for a different solution

Than just fast ships

[light bloom]

Btw id change the idea title if we're switching to pirates warp away based on the two distance rings idea

[north sentinel]

Yea Ill do that

Enemies warp away when the player flies to far

[weary sinew]

There are problems to this idea as there are to miniature rod's, for example a long drawn out fight between 2 ships happens, you aren't kiting but the enemy ship is faster than yours, and as you try to ram it, the enemy ship kites you, and the result is you reaching the edge of the bounty Zone and the bounty ship disappearing in a warp

[umbral citrus]

The enemy ships bubble would prob be determined by its weapon range so as long as it could hit you it wouldn't warp away

[weary sinew]

And if the only weapon on a ship is pd? Where the range is 100

[light bloom]

I don't think any enemy ships have default attack commands to stay out of range of their weapons?

An enemy kite would stay in range of you, so you'd be in the smaller circle from said ship (the one based on its longest range weapon) and it wouldn't warp away