#Change the ship size limit from square to quantity of tiles

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brave stone
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Use same amount of tiles (14400 if it's correct) which the basic square have but without hard limitations to the shape

There can be made some limit to ships from being too wide or too long if it can be exploited (it will be exploited, I knowLUL ). Make the building grid square bigger but with that block limitation.
Building grid itself also should be remain at least because it helpful in building process.

It's every time annoying to seeing multiplayer matches where ships in max size categories near to be square or circle/half-circle

jade spoke
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There was another

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So that makes 3 posts

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Amount the same thing

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For what reason ?

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When you already knew they exist ?

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Other then to spam posts just so there are more of them to see when all 3 are about changing build limit/grid

brave stone
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And still I can't what the peoples problems that they are somewhat opposing things that supposed to make game better

keen comet
jade spoke
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You hats called spam

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When they could image their version of the idea in one of the 2 already existing posts about the same thing

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That is not feedback , that is litraly just spam for the same reason people recropost

brave stone
keen comet
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There's literally no reason to go and say "There was another one, delete this"

brave stone
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I am speaking about not expending limits but add to players ability to build ships with shapes whatever they want in multi WITHOUT MODS

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Limitations itself still remains just will be converted in the more logical form

keen comet
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If I understood the post correctly, you want that instead of having a 120x120 grid you instead can have 14400 blocks to use

brave stone
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Yep. It should little refresh forms of the biggest ships. Sqaureships isn't that bad thing but I don't think that everyone wants to roleplay borgs while they are using maxi limit ship

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keen comet
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Similar Idea=/=Same Idea

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Also this isn't the place to discuss about it

jade spoke
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And the exact wording as the other post

brave stone
jade spoke
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?

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keen comet
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Just checked and that's true

jade spoke
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Then it’s understandable I suppose.

keen comet
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Welp at least this is fresh air instead of a tense discussion

brave stone
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brave stone
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Also this one not about tiles

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keen comet
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So yeah we screwed up

jade spoke
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.. ngl the other posters idea of removing the grid is horrible.

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The only reason I downvoted it

brave stone
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Also read my post more accurate

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jade spoke
# brave stone What's wrong with it?

Everyone else in the post seems to think it’s a good idea , but it would just make planning out bigger ship builds horrendous without having the grid to see where your placing before you place it

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keen comet
brave stone
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I didn't asked remove the grid just make the accent from strong shape limitation to less shape limitation and add tile limitation. Grid itself remains

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brave stone
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Ok

keen comet
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brave stone
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keen comet
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Alright back to the post, how could you implement this rework into new players? Because this feels like very obvious and very confusing at the same time

brave stone
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I think build grid can be made with dynamic shape changing if it's possible

keen comet
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having the tutorial say "Hey! You can build however and wherever you want, but you can only place X amount of blocks! 😉" Is kinda weird and very limiting

keen comet
brave stone
keen comet
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that's the difference

brave stone
keen comet
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yes

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that's why I'm asking

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Now that I think about it docking will basically remove all grid limitations due do the fact that you can simply make ship modules, put them together and have "a" very big ship

brave stone
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Hmmm... Maybe current grid can be made just bigger but with that block limitation. To prevent possible exploits with too long/wide ships

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I don't know what exploits it can be but meta-players are mad-lads and can use opportunity

keen comet
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Indeed

jade spoke
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Real fun having either an entire faction based on moduler ships or having multiple super ships that are just multiple smaller ships

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vivid orchid
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What about being able to pick from a selection of grids? Square would be the default, but you could also pick a “skinny” grid thats way longer, and triangular grid, a more circular grid, etc

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It wouldn’t necessarily solve your issue however it would allow you to build a larger variety of ships

keen comet
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good enough ig

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Ship molds

brave stone
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Cross ships still suffer with that

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Or other ships with unusual shapes

random marlin
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Just make huge ship grid default + block limit counter

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That would make the longest ship possible 14x1000 + 400 blocks extra which is only ever going to be a max range rail or something equally absurd

brave stone
shy dove
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It'd be good to learn from a dev what the actual compute limitation is that led to the current size limit

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Like if it's crew count, raw number of tiles, grid size of paint layers, etc

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Then you could do say huge grid default + limited by biggest compute limitation

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If the limit was 14400 tiles it depends how you count a tile. Ie does interior empty space of a ship count? If it doesn't count is it fine if somebody makes some humangoid armor structure cause of all the spacing between armor layers

brave stone
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There still be some size limit to prevent some ridiculous constructions

mortal plinth
shy dove
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Plus raw distance between points might add more complexity to crew pathing calculations

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There's stuff going on under the hood where it'd be nice to get dev input

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I'm definitely for a limit that is smarter than a 120 x 120 grid cause I'm also a bit bummed all my end game ships are boxes

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I'm just pointing out that a 14400 tile limit might not be the way to do it (it might be also, I'm not sure)

hexed flume
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14 kilometre long stick?

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You thought you saw the last of the Illegal railgun alpha, but it will never truly leave

warm ore
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this topic is pretty moot point since size limit is irrelevant after all ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Takes like 2 minutes to basically just turn on the setting that lets you have like 10x build grid

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And then 5 to find the nearly infinite grid mod on the workshop

final fractal
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well, it could open up interesting pvp things

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mods can't be used

brave stone
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I said that there still should be geometric limitations from too long or too wide

brave stone
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It's lame way

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And also mods not very common in multiplayer matches

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I don't want make ships bigger. I want lesser geometric limitation

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(not completely remove)

hexed flume
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In Multiplayer unless you're doing absurd budgets, such as 4m+ you won't really encounter grid limit much,
As most PvP is 1.5m, and domination is generally too low in total budget for big ships either,

brave stone
hexed flume
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What else will you do? Big wall?
Big stick?

brave stone
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Why u dislike idea tho?

brave stone
hexed flume
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I've used the same grid for many years, it works well

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Although the 120x120 is bigger than it was, being 102x102

brave stone
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From too long/wide because i know that some players will exploit it in unsual ways

hexed flume
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That isn't exactly the main issue,
There isn't really many archetypes except for The big box you do at 4m+

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It's either big rail box, or big ion box

brave stone
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Just box of build bigger but with tile limit of current box

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At least bigger 2 or 3 times

hexed flume
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Surface weapons such as cannons and lasers don't do so well at big budgets,
Missiles you get a big U, but they still get railfanned because of big budget,

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And so, the Box does the best

brave stone
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I want to allow player build more variaty of ships in max build limit like big broadside real-like design

hexed flume
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Also it should be noted,
Spawning ships in PvP that are Above the grid size can get very scuffed, drastically changing how all the ships spawn in

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Which also affects asteroids spawning aswell

hexed flume
brave stone
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I guess it still more worth then remain limiting shapes for players

hexed flume
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Then turn on " allow illegal ships" to mess with players

hexed flume
brave stone
hexed flume
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Anyone can do it

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You just manually save the blueprint of your design in the blue print mode

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Saves out of bounds, saves thing sin exclusion zones, all the stuff

brave stone
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It still not convenient in my opinion

hexed flume
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I'd say the same would be, the headache of trying to balance an entirely new grid system

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You know railguns, they can get great penetration when you continue to increase the length, especially above the vanilla grid

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Alpha-ing 3 could probably kill a lot of designs

brave stone
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Also can be an interesting solutions to make different shaped ship grids like in this man's idea

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hexed flume
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Pick wide grid and have a 200 meter wide Ul Fastwall

brave stone
brave stone
hexed flume
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Neither does every ship reach grid limits, only the very big ones with exceeding high budgets

brave stone
final fractal
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there's no limit to rails

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diminishing returns as you add more accels

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but it will keep increasing

brave stone
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Better to have multiple rails than an absurdly long one

final fractal
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correct

shy dove
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#ask-walt message

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So I asked Walt what cpu limitation was driving the ship size and he gave an informative answer about the current size limits

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It seems to be more driven by weapon design. He said knowing the theoretical max size of a ship is important

hexed flume
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Exactly, ship size consistency

brave stone
slim mulch
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I kinda get what you mean @brave stone , it is an interesting concept. Could be a cool type of tournament or way to play the game. It brings a suprising new way to play, efficiency and compactness is key to win. Don't think it should be the default setting but a different way to play, most definitely.

shy dove
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(He cited especially for range purposes)