design contest chat

[safe stratus]

huh... weird.

guess someone ghost pinged

[elfin venture]

i'm pretty sure they didn't

[toxic ocean]

Okaaaaaay did I miss the deadline?

[elfin venture]

You did
sorry

[toxic ocean]

FUCK

How did that even happen? I thought they were until like 2pm, it's 12 o' clock right now...

[elfin venture]

i think it was closing at like 1am UTC?

[toxic ocean]

@rose swan is there any chance you could open the submissions for just a couple minutes for me to submit my ships?

I really needed more than 4 hours of sleep.

God damnit at least Blake made sure the contest would close relatively late the second day... I could always rely on the morning of the closing day to finish submitting.

[elfin venture]

oh it's midnight UTC-5

so effectively for people in the US they have up until around midnight

[toxic ocean]

I miss Blake so much.

He was a very active host on top of anything too.

[elfin venture]

what happened to him

[toxic ocean]

The architects ''unhired'' him so they could run the contests instead.

[elfin venture]

why did they unhire him

[toxic ocean]

Actually I genuinely have no idea.

Saris told me something about it like half a year ago but I don't remember.

---

So now what, did I really waste combined total of ~20 hours for nothing?

[elfin venture]

well you did get a bunch of sick looking ships out of it

but yea for the time being kind of

you can keep em for next contest i guess

[toxic ocean]

I had so many more new ideas for that though.

I am so sad and disappointed but I don't even have enough energy to be that angry.

[elfin venture]

oof

[toxic ocean]

I WAS LITERALLY ALMOST DONE TYPING THE SUBMISSIONS LAST NIGHT TOO

[tribal heath]

Would be nice see you in current contestants tbh, so I'm for.

[oak plaza]

Bruh...

[toxic ocean]

Thanks, but it really only depends on the host.

[tribal heath]

Yeah

[toxic ocean]

So do I just ping Vilda until he answers, because I really don't want my hard work to go to waste and it's at least worth trying convincing.

I had all the ships, all the paints, all the optimization, all the lore, I just ran out of time typing the document or submission or whatever.

[simple valve]

Yeah I would give my ship lore/explanation but due to unexpected events I couldn't

[toxic ocean]

If you have the ship itself complete, you could give the ship, type the lore here and I'd paste it into your ship and send it by proxy, just so there's more than one people willing to submit their ships

@rose swan Well I have to go and looks like you'll say no anyways so whatever.

[sullen wedge]

Sleep? What is this sleep you're talking about? And you call yoruself an artist?? 😉

[sullen wedge]

Well, we actually had a month to submit. I'm very much a last minute person too. But if I miss the deadline by a few hours when it's been a month, then I'd say that's on me.
Not saying that I wouldn't want to see @toxic ocean 's submission. I wouldn't mind at all, if the contest was to make an exception for him.

[sullen wedge]

Oof. Sucks man.

[elfin venture]

Yes
I agree on the fact that we are missing out on Nick's submissions being present
the only contestants that could match him were Meekoz and Immtrmm, honestly
you're also right about the deadline, but i wouldn't be telling him that when he missed it by this little

[sullen wedge]

Well, we all gotta deal with our mess-ups. So better just be honest. But that doesn't mean that the community shouldn't be nice and make an exception for when people who put in a lot of effort do mess up.

[elfin venture]

yep

[sullen wedge]

@toxic ocean If the contest host says no, could you maybe post your ships in the sotd-submissions? I would love to see them.

[simple valve]

I think if I win (huge if) and architects tell me to change something, I could add the lore with the edit as well

[wispy vigil]

Unlucky nick, you can always submit those ships in a different contest

[small elm]

The ships this contest don't seem as good as the previous one.

[elfin venture]

well, one of the major providers of good ships didn't manage to submit

[small breach]

tbf a good chunk of people were busy in january so they couldn't submit in time

i barely managed to put out 2 new ships

[elfin venture]

i did notice that a lot of people didn't manage to submit enough

[small elm]

I know, I haven't seen Draconis either.

[elfin venture]

i haven't seen draconis full stop

i've heard of them

[small elm]

This is true, now yoy mention it, a fair number of the entries are previous ones with some changes (including mine)

[elfin venture]

what i'm gathering is that i'm lucky that the first design contest i took part in was also one that coincided perfectly with summer holidays, but only in australia

[small breach]

this design contest for me atleast was at my midyear exams so i had to rush them really fast and hope someone votes for cat ship

[elfin venture]

midyear?

it's January

[small breach]

mid school year

since school year here starts in october and ends in june

[elfin venture]

i think i've heard about that

why

to coincide with summer

[small breach]

summer vacation is the rest of the months

[elfin venture]

still, i can't imagine going from Happy New Year straight back to school/work

oof

[small breach]

6 months of not going to school is good for me

[small elm]

'school' making me feel old.

[tribal heath]

@rose swan What about draw situations? Will be there tie-breaks or shared places?

[small elm]

I vote Pugil sticks.

[tribal heath]

T H I C C S T I C C S

[oak plaza]

There is still Walt's Picks after this right Vilda...?

I know I will not win so I will just hope Walt picks my ships...

[toxic ocean]

There was no need to ping me 4 times but ok I guess?

Also it is comical how inactive of a host Vilda is.

I get it he has other jobs to do like painting ships and the rest, but THAT'S THE POINT, Blake didn't have architect duties.

[slow axle]

it's still winter in the northern hemisphere

i agreed it's kinda o dumb

[strange mango]

im not intirely gone as a host, in fact im hosting a contest once the current one is over. though it will be unofficial, ill explain why in the rules

[toxic ocean]

Well, does it really matter that much if it's unofficial, as you've always been the official DC host.

[strange mango]

well it mostly just means instead of your ships in the game the reward is art commissions

(though i scaled down the art size a bit, as i underestimated how much work 200 by 200 pixel art really was last time)

[slow axle]

i'll remember to clearly ask for a ship art and not simple pixelart if i win again

[toxic ocean]

About the size, wouldn't it be better to decrease the final size (Whatever you're gonna settle on) by two and use 1/4 decal tiles instead of the full 1x1 tiles?

The art that you make with 1x1s is already amazing but to see the full picture (Literally) you have to zoom out so much you start seeing that jarring looking corridor texture blend.

Also I'm not as excited for the unnoficial competitions because far less people are, thus there will be less members tuning in and less competition.

Remember what happened last time?

[deft kayak]

I would have participated last time but I was busy

[strange mango]

that would work in cosmoteer, but it wouldnt for regular pixel art, and even in cosmoteer, it would greatly limit the amount of colour mixing i could do. it would also make it alot harder to make non rectangular canvases, without having some sections unused

[small breach]

tbh that is a better reward than getting my ship in game imo

[rose swan]

I sympathize, but that wouldn't be fair to everyone else who rushed to make the deadline. I think time management is also an important part of design contests, and you had a whole month to submit. It looks like you were even able to make a SOTD post with your submission, so I don't get why you waited so long?

Regardless, voting has already begun and a lot of people have already voted, so it's too late to re-open submissions now.

[rose swan]

Probably doing tie-breakers.

[rose swan]

Yes.

[small breach]

is walt's pick 1 ship for every division or 1 ship from anywhere? i assume it is the latter

[rose swan]

I'm not sure. That's up to him, I guess.

[toxic ocean]

Well, I always knew the deadlines to have the last day be accessible until like 3PM adjusted to timezones, I'm pretty sure even the last official tournament that wasn't by Blake had this same thing. And even though I finished my first few ships very early on, I didn't have time to make aesthetic ships in Cosmoteer for the past couple weeks, so that's why I ''waited'' for that long.

In case situations like these were the case, I always knew I had the morning of last day to rely on, looks like that opportunity was taken away without much mention.

[rose swan]

The deadline for this contest was at the same time as the deadline for the previous contest. The date and countdown timer was always public.

[small elm]

Keep it for next time Nic. It's not wasted. Who knows, you might find a way to make it better or work in it a bit more in the mean time.

[sullen wedge]

Sry, didn't realize I pinged so much.

[sullen wedge]

Yeah and there will be many more contests after that one as well. It's just missing one submission out of a series of contests that lasts for years.

[sullen wedge]

I get that missing the deadline is disappointing, but, for accuracy's sake, it was possible to just look up the deadline. I'm also a last minute person and suffered from "writer's block" (or the cosmoteer equivalent) for most of January, but just so happened to ask people for the deadline something like 11 hours before it ended. I worked on my single ship for longer than 20 hours (skill issue lol) and had I missed it, because I decided to sleep instead of build, that would've sucked. But it would've been on me, because I could've just asked sooner than I did.
Don't be too upset. As others have said, there's many more opportunities to submit these works in the future.

[simple valve]

pings Nick two more times for good measure

[oak plaza]

You know Nick, I'm sorry to say this but I felt your ship is a bit ironic that as a big ass clock, time was the thing that hold you back to submit it...

[sullen wedge]

Should I post a link to the voting form on reddit, so that we get more people voting?

[gusty jasper]

nah

[sullen wedge]

Ok. Why not tho?

[gusty jasper]

pft sure i guess

[sullen wedge]

?

[gusty jasper]

the reddit always has terrible opinions xd that's why

but sure, explain what happens with the winner and stuff

[oak plaza]

if you do that, I will really lose now...
hahahahaha

[sullen wedge]

I mean, we're all gonna lose to Immtrm ^^

As we should.

[oak plaza]

I dont even know if 3rd place will get their ships in game, I wanna win that at least...

[elfin venture]

I hope they do

the October contest didn't have that many winners, in comparison to the Feb and May ones

if they boil each contest down to just the winners, we'll be getting like three new ships added a year

[sullen wedge]

The more people that vote, the more representative that vote will be. So, if your ships are good and deserving of being in the game...

[sullen wedge]

Aren't there several design contests each year?

[elfin venture]

yes
there were three last year

[sullen wedge]

So 9 new ships per year

at least

[elfin venture]

nope

not every contest has three winners, technically

[sullen wedge]

rite

[elfin venture]

the winner of the October contest was Echo of the Abyss

[sullen wedge]

Of course it was. Has that one been added as an enemy?

[elfin venture]

career 2.0 hasn't been finished yet, so no

[sullen wedge]

rite

[lament skiff]

Top 3 in each category go to the architect voting phase

[elfin venture]

ah

[oak plaza]

Ill be optimistic and say that my ships got this...
I wouldnt win, but at least im on the podium...

[elfin venture]

Thing is, I think so too

But Immtrm's basically guaranteed, and there's also Meekoz

[lament skiff]

Not me

[elfin venture]

I think X-calibur has a decent chance

mostly due to concept, though

[lament skiff]

I forgor to send the updated paint

[past bramble]

Its aesthetic stuff so it should be fine

[raven isle]

how do you vote 👍

[elfin venture]

you click the link in #tournament-announcements that leads directly to a form for voting

[small elm]

Immtrm submitted an entry?
His entry was supposed to have an accident 😤

[elfin venture]

you got the wrong Champion

[tribal heath]

What about Meekoz? 😏

[elfin venture]

yea we're gonna lose to Immtrm and Meekoz

hmm

maybe you two should do a collab

[sullen wedge]

I demand that the winners of this tournament HAVE TO collab for the next one, just so more other people can win. ^^

[elfin venture]

that could end up really funny depending on who collabs with who

[sullen wedge]

Not necessarily wrong, but still a pretty elitist attitude. ^^

I think as many people as possible should vote. After all it affects what enemies all of us will face in the future in career.

[sullen wedge]

It's good that people who were banned from this discord can't participate. lol.

[wispy vigil]

Hmmm

[past bramble]

Its design contest too so its more in line with reddit's carreer and aesthetic focused audience

Also isnt the voting should be announced in #events ?

[oak plaza]

I call dibs on the level 1 Orbiter next design contest...

this is a Storbiter...

A Starter Orbiter...

[misty lark]

hot take:
||If meekoz wins im gonna be disapointed in this community. His ships look great, but I sure as hell do not want nuke pikes as official ships, hell no. Its lazy and boring design that's an auto-win if you know how to beat it, but almost impossible if you dont so new players and old players will find it unbalanced for opposite reasons, one will consider it unbeatable and the other a bunch of free resources.||

[wispy vigil]

Why couldn't my one ship entry win?

There's always a chance

[late zenith]

I voted for whatever ships looked cool, I think meekoz and ConcreteFan were the only submissions (other than mine) in which I voted for them in every category, though I don't see how meekoz is going to make some of their submissions fully asteroid proof enough for the architects

[toxic ocean]

It was, but at 3 in the morning when you're dying from 4 hours of sleep the previous day and rushing your hardest already it's not that feasible question mark?

[toxic ocean]

I agree, and I'm here to embrace the irony.

And it's the clock ship specifically that got me to run out of time, the first two were done in the first few days of the DC.

Still very much disappointed though.

[wispy vigil]

There'll always be more official contests in the future

[rose swan]

Only potential issue with this is that without the discord, you can't actually see the ships in detail or load them into the game. I think it'd be hard to make an informed decision with the voting form alone.

[toxic ocean]

I don't see why also sharing a world download link wouldn't be a solution.

[slow axle]

i.........
i guess n-not everyone put as m-much investement in v-votings '°~°

[rose swan]

How many people actually used those before?

The lag's always been an issue with so many ships, and there are even more submissions this time around. I guess splitting it into three save files could work?

[simple valve]

I was just voting based on the uniqueness of the paint lol

[past bramble]

a zip file with all the ships is also viable

[lament skiff]

I just stare at the ship for a bit and go “that’s cool” or not then vote

[small breach]

yeah

[small breach]

i just looked and voted for the brightest 5 ships

[deft kayak]

I usually used the world download, don't have a really strong opinion on its inclusion though

[sullen wedge]

Well yes, nuke boats are bad and lazy, but they already exist in the Imperium faction. So I don't see why Meekoz should not win, if their ships look good enough.

[sullen wedge]

Hm true, but I posted the discord with the submissions in the same post too and told people to check it out for more detailed pics. I would guess many of those who don't wanna bother looking at more detailed pics, also wouldn't bother voting. I already posted it, but it's not getting that much engagement anyway (766 views so far). Hope it doesn't skew the vote in any negative way. However, I don't see how it could do that, since the alternative is to keep the "community vote" as this pretty secluded thing that doesn't actually represent the community.

[sullen wedge]

Yeah, certain days are rough. I'm just stating the obvious - that next time you'll look up the deadline 2 days earlier and it won't happen again.

[small breach]

examples :

[misty lark]

Imperium is the nuke faction so they are excused somewhat, we don’t need another that copies their shitty designs for no reason

[lament skiff]

[small breach]

tbf copying their "shitty designs" is the only practical way to make career harder as ai is too dumb and most ships can be easily cheesed by experienced and newer players anyways

[tribal heath]

You don't want*, not we

[small elm]

I'm submitting a pink and purple flying unicorn next time if this is the level of ciritque ships get. Blah!

[small breach]

ctrl did that though

i voted for it

[small elm]

i voted fell for it

You did what?

[small breach]

voted for it

it is epic

purple railfan is like the best way to get my vote by far

[small elm]

Well I voted for it both times as well so you're on to somthing, it does look good.

[tribal heath]

Raijin: also purple and also railfan

xD

[misty lark]

You don’t get the balance issue with nukes in career. They make it hard for new players who don’t know that moving perpendicular to the nukes means you easily dodge them so instead they just sit there and die because you can’t get enough flak and pd by the time you see them to shoot them down and if you did your ship would be completely ineffective against ships with more varied weapons.

[lament skiff]

me making half my ships as hard for newbies as possible

The faction ships are for prey

Cosmoteers should be predators

[misty lark]

i guess no one gets my point

[lament skiff]

I don’t

As far as walt has said, these ships are gonna be rare

and supposed to be tough

So I don’t see the problem

[rose swan]

I don't really want to weigh in too much so as to not influence voting, but this is more or less exactly what we're hoping to see.

[rose swan]

Nukes are a unique kind of challenge in career unlike anything else in the game. I think it's a good thing if players go from "this is impossible!" to "I know exactly how to handle this" over the course of a playthrough. It feels good to overcome problems you struggled with initially, and beating nuke ships flawlessly is a satisfying reward for one's efforts.

Of course they won't be much of a threat to competitive players, but the overwhelming majority of the playerbase is not coming from that background.

[late zenith]

Same, I really went "Screw it I'm getting some FIREPOWER on these vessels" for this submission. My 3rd category submission is the best application of firepower I have to date, being the only ship I've ever thought to mix deck guns and nukes together.

[elfin venture]

I see where you're coming from, and I do think that simply "nuke stick" is fairly bland, though since Cosmoteers are their own separate, challenging faction, I don't see the harm in having just a few
Meekoz's ships by themselves are good enough though in spite of that, and their two larger ships (asterum and starimaya) are interesting enough to get around that i think since they do use other weapons
i still agree, nuke pikes shouldn't be common in career, and furthering this, specifically they shouldn't be the first cosmoteer
if a player's first Cosmoteer encounter is with Blink, they'll come away frustrated and unsure of how to beat it, which has happened with some other built-ins - Sprocket and Backup seem to get the most complaints over on the steam forums, but Sprocket feels like it's easier to extract a lesson from - build up defenses better, and make sure it doesn't get on your flanks - and Backup is honestly just a pretty fun ship that teaches the important of disruptors and defences

[sullen wedge]

Do the shields cover the muzzle of the chaingun on this while firing?
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[late zenith]

I don't know, all I know is it could win AI fights against ships in its price range and that the shields usually absorbed 70% of the damage and the rest would be reflected on the armor and rarely on the chaingun

[sullen wedge]

But since this would mainly go up against humans, they'll target the main weapon, so covering it would be pretty important. If it does cover the muzzle then A+.

[late zenith]

In that case I'm pretty sure it does, considering that the chaingun is at the point where the 2 shields overlap and also this thing orbits and is difficult for slow moving, high damage weapons to hit. Missiles, EMP and disruptors would be what I would run to kill it

[sullen wedge]

ah, it's an orbiter? cool.

feels like 50%+ of all submissions this time were orbiters.

I'm guilty too

[late zenith]

this was just the first time I actually got to play around with them myself so of course I'd submit two of them

besides I wanted to make a small chaingun ship, and ones using standard ai around 100-200k would fall really quickly, being unable to pile DPS on so I changed the flight pattern and made the chaingun the only weapon so the ships seriously punishes opponents for being unable to hit it because enemies will get hit by a 10 mag chaingun's worth of DPS

[tired vapor]

no but it's good enough

oops wrong reply

[lament skiff]

I didn’t even realize until just now but I have the holy trifecta

Rammer, kiter, orbiter

Idk if xcalibur is really an orbiter tho

[elfin venture]

i'd call it an orbiter

[lament skiff]

It’s set to get pretty close to enemies then pull a u-turn, not just circle widely around them

[elfin venture]

i'd call that orbiter

what's more questionable is 32-bit

[lament skiff]

That is definitely a rammer

[elfin venture]

ok yea i just looked at it again

i misremembered it

[lament skiff]

32bit didn’t turn out bad

I could’ve def done better tho

[oak plaza]

When is votings gonna end Vilda...?

[rose swan]

There's a countdown timer in #tournament-announcements.

[oak plaza]

Thanks, me dumb...

[small breach]

i voted for it too

[oak plaza]

with you guys talking about many different ships...
I already feel like I have lost like a significant margin...

[vernal lance]

you too huh?

[small elm]

You submitted a ship? 😁

[oak plaza]

I have 3...
My Name Is Kaine Rey Galo...

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[small elm]

I made mine as difficult to fight as I thouggt, given the design. I didn't intentionally make it easy as you guys put it.

[small breach]

idk your ship is pretty snipeable

bridge is barely protected from any rails

4 rails would get through i think

(assuming 8 accel ofc)

[oak plaza]

Mine is just aesthetic and functional...
well in my own words I mean...

[small elm]

From the aft or from a 45 degree angle off the bow?
There's internal armour around it at the front and sides but I'll add more it you think it's weak. I don"t have my laptop with me atm so can't post internal pics.

As die the back, well I'd gladly add another layer but it's budget isn't it.

[deft kayak]

Mine is alright at fighting, I def put more priority on aesthetics though

So it might punch a bit below it's weight class

[small elm]

Armour layout.

[slow axle]

steam forums? gotta check that

[sullen wedge]

No frontal defenses?

[lament skiff]

It has shields and pd

[sullen wedge]

No frontal shields. Only armor there. And not so much firepower that it kills the enemy before the enemy gets through that armor.

[lament skiff]

? literally all the shields are frontal

[sullen wedge]

you're not looking at the nose. Right?

[lament skiff]

Yeah

That’s a thick ass block of armor doesn’t need shield

[sullen wedge]

At this price range that's not much. Gone within the first few seconds vs any full frontal assault ship.

The ship has many problems. Being fragile is just one of them.

[small elm]

1.5mil?

[sullen wedge]

Yes. This is fragile. You definitely need more than that armor. Shields or go for even more armor. Take a look at several built-in ships as a semi-good reference.

[tired vapor]

it's too unspecialized

[sullen wedge]

That too

[median patio]

7 hours left

[late zenith]

then we'll see the winners

[lament skiff]

ConcreteFan sweep

[late zenith]

maybe I'll get lucky, running low on ships and time for future design contests

[wispy vigil]

Hmmm

[median patio]

Wait like another day for results

[wispy vigil]

technically my ship i submitted was in the 500k - 1m catagory but was put in the 1-2 m

[rose swan]

Oh, that's my bad. Next time something like that happens, it'd be helpful to bring it up sooner than just a few hours before voting closes.

[wispy vigil]

i only voted now

[lament skiff]

[oak plaza]

VOTES ARE IN BOIS...

[lament skiff]

[lament skiff]

Results delayed

[simple valve]

unique paint contest
look inside tie breaker voting
generic paint

Don't get me wrong they look really good

But I don't think they're unique

[lament skiff]

Is there really such thing as unique paint

[simple valve]

Yeah? You can always be original

It might take a lot of time but you can make unique paint

Xsnow has a unique style for example

Jewjuice as well

[rose swan]

I kind of expected this would happen, but I wanted a pretty simple (and optional) theme to start out with anyway.

What I'd really have liked to do was ban the Cabal style to get some real variety, but

• that'd probably screw over half the people participating
• you guys keep voting for those ships, and these contests are really about what the community picks at the end of the day

[simple valve]

Yeah I understand, I thought this would happen as well

I just hope the unique ships win as well

[elfin venture]

thats probably why those ships are for third place lol

[past bramble]

Huh immrtm is not first

[simple valve]

Yeah but we can't really know for sure what's above them tho

[tribal heath]

Uniqueness is quite subjective thing

[tribal heath]

Hmmm really

[simple valve]

While what is unique is subjective, what isn't is pretty clear

(don't take this as hate your ships are amazing btw)

[tribal heath]

I think there a couple of reasons why I'm on 3-4 place in this time:

1. People like their subjective concept of uniqueness
2. Google forms preview of ships is not very good for something like broadside orbiters and for reddit it might be deciding factor.

[simple valve]

Yeah that would make sense

[past bramble]

is it better to have broadside orbiter vertical or horizontal hmm?

we both did vertical

[tribal heath]

For my preference it's vertical, but for people who even don't know anything about concept I think it doesn't matter at all.

They probably just see stick and "nah it's just a stick, nothing interesting"

[oak plaza]

I mean people might click and vote for it cuz it looks sick...
Its a step up on the time that we only have to go by names...

If the next one will have our promotional pictures attached then it will work better...

[slow axle]

i have a bad feeling

[slow axle]

y'know everybody who contested and not end-up first could repeat the first point lmao

[elfin venture]

we can't but we can guess

[vernal lance]

it's alot of pressure waiting for the results to announce

[tribal heath]

Huh

[elfin venture]

corpo said it's a lot of pressure waiting for the results to announce

[simple valve]

Huh

[elfin venture]

im not repeating myself repeating corpo

[tribal heath]

*carving style you mean

[vernal lance]

what if you do

[elfin venture]

then i do i guess

[vernal lance]

huh

[tribal heath]

@rose swan Do you have ideas about future design contests?

[simple valve]

A pirate design contest would be nice

As in pirate specific ships

[elfin venture]

wasn't that the first one?

[simple valve]

idk I was only around for the last two ones

[oak plaza]

I don't know, the first one I joined was a pirate themed but they said it was needed to be Fringe so my ships got extensive reworks...

Didn't get in career in the end...

[vernal lance]

they said that to you???

they said anything to you??????

our ships got into career?????????

[oak plaza]

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or parang ewan lang...

Hahahahaha

[toxic ocean]

I would be so excited for the results, but I am unable to be.

[lament skiff]

[small breach]

toughest decision of my life

both are purple railfans

holy shit

wait wait wait

raijin has missiles/???????

voting for lilico

[tribal heath]

Lmao

[toxic ocean]

xd

[lament skiff]

How are either of these railfans

[small breach]

they both are railfans

one is a HE rail hybrid orbiter, the other is a dc rail hybrid railfan

[lament skiff]

Do you just call anything with multiple rails a railfan

[toxic ocean]

Ctrl's ship is definitely a hybrid railfan.

Immtrm's ship is a rail wall/broadsider.

[toxic ocean]

Hey Nuki look A RAILFAN :agony:

[small breach]

emp rail kite

[desert trail]

perhaps next year....

[toxic ocean]

...It will become an actual emp spammer!

See I finished the sentence for you.

[small breach]

railfan includes : railorbiters, tbrails, nukerails, railkites, railwalls, highdamage railfans, "static" railfans (high turning without moving railfans) and railspinners

that's the hill i'll die on

[lament skiff]

So railfans are just ships with rails

🗿

[small breach]

not all railships are railfans

anything with 1 rail

or uses rails focused

aren't railfans

but those are so rare that no one knows they even exist

because guess what, practically every rail ship uses railfanning

and therefore are railfans

it's an umbrella term

otherwise railfan would be one ship archtype and the technique with 0 ways to distinguish between meanings

[lament skiff]

yeah

that way the term actually has meaning

[small breach]

idc if every railship railfans every railship is a railfan

[small breach]

as usual i forgor like 5 railfan types

rail hybrids, alpha rail, railavoiders and railspinner core ships (ships with a railspinner core)

that was 4

[rose swan]

A few, but nothing's set in stone. I was thinking of making the next contest have some sort of minimum speed requirement to push people towards using the new thrusters (and hopefully make kites weaker in career).

Suggestions are welcomed, of course.

[tired vapor]

it fan

[tired vapor]

dependskn how it is piloted

[oak plaza]

Limiting a specific weapon as a requirement should be added, I feel like me depending on DCs as just a safe option is bad enough...

Well that's just my Opinion Vilda...

[elfin venture]

perhaps required mix of weapons
eg at least three weapon types
which means no more DC bricks and railfans

[lament skiff]

I think if that were to be a thing, to not stifle creativity too much it should require one weapon

But it can have any other weapons alongside it

[elfin venture]

thing is with only one weapon or two there's still gonna be standard orbiwalls, railfans, etc

[rose swan]

If you don't want those ships, it's up to you guys to vote them down.
Weapon requirements are a very uncertain maybe, and I'd only ever consider doing them when new parts get added. You would of course be able to mix them with any other weapons you like.

Other architects might feel differently, but I'm not going to step in if a standard orbiwall or railfan somehow manages to win.

[elfin venture]

Was not saying you should
I think the issue is more when masters like Immtrm or Nick make conventional ships, in which case the ship itself is good enough to win in spite of being a fairly stale design
Then again, considering the tiebreaker votes, it looks like people are opting for the more unconventional ships this time round

[wispy vigil]

8 votes? That's the most a contest ship I've done has ever gotten

[past bramble]

1 ship got in

Im happy

Good enough

[elfin venture]

welp

[wispy vigil]

I don't think nick was in on this one

[elfin venture]

he wasn't, i was using him as an example

though i feel like nick makes less conventional ships compared to immtrm

[wispy vigil]

Personally I find his paint just a bit too black-liney

[past bramble]

Now to wait for architect analysis

[elfin venture]

tbh after the results

dissappointed that i didnt win
not at all surprised that meekoz won in every single division
happily surprised by False Relay winning div 3, that thing genuinely looks nice and like a relay and it's just funny in general

also surprised by Etch getting Walt's pick

[late zenith]

surprised by M.A.U.L actually getting so many votes compared to the others I made

[elfin venture]

never thought a PD-only ship would win

[lament skiff]

im sad lingchi didn't win, it was my favorite of the three

xcalibur goat tho ig

[elfin venture]

oh yea xcalibur awesome

[late zenith]

I'm probably just going to submit warlord repeatedly bc I cannot make big ships for the life of me

[elfin venture]

pretty much every division has something that's genuinely very unique, except maybe div 3, but Walt's pick covers that

[past bramble]

Div 3 has the funny fake beacon

[elfin venture]

funny fake relay is amazing

though it feels like the division leaderboards were almost reversed

i would expect False Relay to get in 3rd and Immtrm or Meekoz to win

[past bramble]

Meme ship actually won

[lament skiff]

im surprised false relay won personally

i thought it was funi but that's bout it

[past bramble]

Same

[elfin venture]

Same

[past bramble]

Now the real test starts

[elfin venture]

i mean

[past bramble]

Getting architect approval

[elfin venture]

it is very difficult to trump something that's simultaneously for the funny and genuinely very well made

[past bramble]

For carreer

[lament skiff]

well idk how it'll work

vilda said he's the only architect that's active anymore

i think saris said he will vote, and I guess 0neye probably(?) will vote

[elfin venture]

only one that's been making ships at least, i think the others are still active

[past bramble]

Door was afk last time

[elfin venture]

oh

[past bramble]

Didnt vote at all

Or could be that he just didnt like any of them lol

[elfin venture]

hatter's been active on discord in january, so idk if they'll vote

[oak plaza]

Btw Vilda, what are you smoking when you made the new ships for this update...
They really are fire, you cooked so damn well...

[tribal heath]

Shape moment

[elfin venture]

shape moment

[tribal heath]

Congrats to @grizzled sequoia, well deserved through all of their works! 👏

[median patio]

gg guys

[elfin venture]

gg

[oak plaza]

GGs...

[tribal heath]

For me it was always the easiest part of dc, huh

[past bramble]

Im more curious on the more meme ships

Iike the pd wall and fake relay

[oak plaza]

Sad my ships didnt get in but I agree on the winners...
they are good...

[simple valve]

WHAT

HOW

It's not that good

I'm happy but I expected it to get third place at best

[tribal heath]

I think it's a reddit moment

[simple valve]

Yeah...

[tribal heath]

See @sullen wedge what you did :^)

[simple valve]

I think False Relay has good paint and a good idea, but I hope it didn't win just because it was funny

[oak plaza]

I think this is the first DC I joined that has did much votes in it...

[simple valve]

Yea it was probably reddit that did it

Also sad Jewjuice didn't win at least in one division

[oak plaza]

This DC broke my winning streak...
HAHAHAHAHAHA... (this is a joke)

[simple valve]

Ehh the reddit post only got 8 upvotes and no comments, seems weird that reddit would change the poll this much then

[tribal heath]

Most part probably didn't upvote for post and just voted for dc

[grizzled sequoia]

thanks

never thought i would win in every division

i thought maybe one of my ship gonna make it🙄

[tribal heath]

It was quite predictable for me, after all, shape is the most deciding factor in design contests

[grizzled sequoia]

not paint?

[tribal heath]

You almost took the 1st place in all of 3 divs 😄

[tribal heath]

You can look at my broadside orbiters, from my side they have pretty good paint, but only 1/2 of them won and barely holding at 3rd place. And then at Ripper, that took 2nd place simply because of shape.

[oak plaza]

Welp, this is my last Design Contest bois...
I just got banned...

I will peace out...✌️ 😆

[novel coyote]

why?

[lament skiff]

guh

[oak plaza]

well speaking with their words "there were several identical ballots cast, all voting solely for your ships."...
I already know who the culprit on this and I accepted my fate...

And this is my second offense as it happened the same with Blake's DC...

so yea...

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[rose swan]

There was clear evidence of illegitimate voting for Kaine's ships, and looking through the logs from previous contests it was apparent this is not the first time this has happened. I'm not going to go too deep into the details in case anyone else gets funny ideas and wants to do a better job at it. The decision was made to disqualify Kaine from this contest, and to ban them from future ones.

This does not affect the results of the current contest, however further action is being considered regarding the results of previous contests. Future contests will have steps taken to improve verification and hopefully prevent something like this from happening again.

[oak plaza]

yes, and this is why I accept my fate guys...

Dont do this men, its not worth it...

[lament skiff]

That’s a bummer

[oak plaza]

Its sad that I could not join the next but Ill be cheering on you guys...

[past bramble]

really? Illegitimate votes of all things

[oak plaza]

I just got back talking to my girlfriend and now Im confused...

she told me they only voted once...

so who the fuck voted for me all those "all voting solely for your ships."

If it was my girlfriend supporting me and doing that I would have accepted what Vilda says to disqualify me but now its different...

[tribal heath]

Would be good to know how many "alts" voted solely for Kaine. I think it's fine if not more than 2, though even 1 vote in current voting system can be decisive.

[oak plaza]

Honestly, Im not the kind of guy that does alts... I only have one gmail that I use for everything, school and all...

[rose swan]

At least six.

[oak plaza]

last time blake found only 3...
and thats how many excluding 1 for my girlfriend, and 1 other alts then mine the 3rd...

6 is too many...

[tribal heath]

How likely is it that someone voted for Kaine to disqualify them? Hm. Idk.

[oak plaza]

bruh Im trying to extinguish two flames here right now...
My girlfriend is pissed that Im blaming her for this...
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[tribal heath]

Since Kaine don't got any prize place in current design contest, I think it's slightly irrelevant. What about other design contests it is possible to check whether these "alt" votes were decisive or not.

[oak plaza]

nah, Im banned with the future ones too...

[past bramble]

Well he did win 2nd or 3rd in some older ones

[oak plaza]

In the older one, I didnt have that issue...
only the first one

[tribal heath]

At least you can hope that you can be unbanned, if verification system will be exists.

[oak plaza]

and I didnt win there...

My girlfriend told me that "if people generally wanted to support me and only, they would vote for me"...
but that arguement wouldnt be valid for Vilda...

[past bramble]

Is the email used to sign in for contest vote seeable by host or no?

[oak plaza]

yea that should fix it...

we need to see...

[tribal heath]

No, otherwise it specified in google form.

[past bramble]

Welp you re fucked kaine, unless you can find these 6 fuckers with definite proof they are not coerced or alts voting for you

[oak plaza]

Anyways, its all up to Vilda, they already gave judgement...
if that is revoked then Im glad but as much as its an issue I understand the whys...

[oak plaza]

I havent coerced anyone like for real...
@elfin venture can prove this because they even said me to stop...

[tribal heath]

4-5* Not counting Kaine and his girlfriend

[past bramble]

Oh right exclude kaine and gf

[simple valve]

one way to prevent this would be to only allow voting for people who play the game (maybe voting in the main menu), but that would need a lot of work and probably isn't worth it

[past bramble]

Name in voting sheet i guess

Some form of identity proof is necessary

[oak plaza]

Honestly, my girlfriend is now sad as fuck because she felt that its her fault I got disqualified...
Im dont know what to do now...

[tribal heath]

What about random guys from reddit or something even more distant

[past bramble]

Use steam idk?

[oak plaza]

Honestly, Im not even popular to have fans to vote for me...
I even thought Yaddah with his reddit followers will do this but "me"...?

[past bramble]

Will have to wait and see see what the architect decide for counter measure on next contest

[oak plaza]

Well for now, Im still banned...

[past bramble]

Btw what you think of this voting system @tribal heath

Better or worse

[oak plaza]

Im sad that my girlfriend just wanted to support me and this happened, I dont know about the 4 but I was just happy she voted for me...

[tribal heath]

Generally better

[slow axle]

!!!! i got in!!!!

i'm so happy

[tribal heath]

I'm not got all 1st places, ha-ha-ha. Weak me 😆 Alright, observations are taken into account, can't wait for next design contest.

[slow axle]

do that mean you got master of design @simple valve ?

[tribal heath]

It should be

The lucky one

[past bramble]

On one hand its a funny meme ship, on the other hand its a funny meme ship,still congrats

Been a while seeing a meme ship excel in a contest

[oak plaza]

I mean it has unconventional paint...

very on point...

hahahahaha

[tribal heath]

FTL relay jumpscare

[oak plaza]

I just remembered my Asteriod...

[simple valve]

oh right I forgot that happens lol

[grizzled sequoia]

yeah , damn u paccipiter lol

[grizzled sequoia]

for me, paint come first, i voted for ripper and tengu because the colour scheme

[tribal heath]

For most part of community shape is more important, that's it.

[grizzled sequoia]

does that mean i'll get 2 master of design becouse i got 2 first place 🤣

[simple valve]

I think paint and hull are equal, they go best together

[small breach]

you and an alt account get master of design lol

[elfin venture]

i don't remember this

[tribal heath]

There some critical level of paint, after which it has little effect to push work even further. And if it were equal, then you should be on 2nd place and Meekoz on 1st in 3rd div :^)

[oak plaza]

When I asked CEO to vote for me and me to him...

Remember now...?

[elfin venture]

no

not gonna bother looking through the chatlogs rn, just had guests over

[past bramble]

If its discord go find it and screenshot kaine

[oak plaza]

#ships message

this...

[elfin venture]

ah

that

[toxic ocean]

Funny how Meekoz won twice.

Should they get double master of design?

[elfin venture]

didn't meekoz just make that joke

[toxic ocean]

Also GGs Pav, very surprising victory.

[simple valve]

I guess, after some point people don't see the details you put into your ship because they just quickly glance over it, but they have to think more about the shape and hull to fight so they notice it more

ty

very surprising for me as well

[toxic ocean]

I don't know I'm no longer keeping up with channels.

[simple valve]

Also I think most people voted for me because of the idea of the ship and the pretty good (imo) execution of said idea

[elfin venture]

it was genuinely executed very well

[tribal heath]

For me it's executed pretty mediocre tbh, can you imagine it? I'm just paint adept, haha.

[elfin venture]

the shape is made fairly on point

there's a few modifications, but they generally keep the same appearance as the actual relay

[tribal heath]

I'm think it is not very hard to copy shape of relay, especially it's an actual idea.

So shape is good, but paint can be much better for me.

[elfin venture]

it is comparable to a mini almost

the original ship just didn't have any layout, only shape and appearance

[simple valve]

I did the paint the day before the deadline if I wasn't burnt out before I would've put more work into it but I was in a rush

[elfin venture]

you won with a last-ditch ship>

?

WOW

[simple valve]

Still I think it's alright

[elfin venture]

what im gathering is that i need to procrastinate on my ships

[simple valve]

The idea has been in my head for a long time and I created the hull at least two weeks before the deadline, so the paint ideas were in my head already

[elfin venture]

ah

[simple valve]

But I didn't have time to iterate and can't visualize stuff in my head very well

[tribal heath]

@rose swan Are you going to keep current division system for dcs? I think it's pretty fine, if yes.

[vernal lance]

seems to me I've gotten rusty at paint too

[sullen wedge]

I did what?

[tribal heath]

You probably did reddit moment

[sullen wedge]

What exactly did you do?

[sullen wedge]

All I did was post the voting form to reddit... did that... do anything? I have no idea what this is about. ^^

[tribal heath]

Illegitimate voting from side, but it's unclear situation now.

[tribal heath]

I think it did anything rather it didn't.

[sullen wedge]

I am unable to solve this sphinx riddle, but I hope it's nothing bad?

[tribal heath]

I'm hope too

[oak plaza]

4 out of 6 people voted for me this design contest and that looked suspicious because it happened back to back...

I thought it was my girlfriend voting for me but I just cleared that one and I now know for a fact that I out of those 6 me and my GF was the only one to vote fully for me...

Now that suspicious activity got me banned for DCs...

I cant sleep thinking this was just a big misunderstanding...

Me and my girlfriend got in a fight just for this...
like wtf...

[tribal heath]

At least that's probably why 1st place in 3rd division such as it is.

[oak plaza]

Earlier I would have accepted it if that was the case but now that we are uncertain, I hate being wrongly accused, I have my fair share of that before and Im sick of it...

[tribal heath]

What Vilda's thoughts about this now?

[oak plaza]

It brings a big weight on my chest like for real...

[oak plaza]

no reply yet, but if they dont want to fix it then I cant do anything... They are the architect...

[tribal heath]

Let's wait then

[oak plaza]

thats all I can do for now, Im sleepy but this anxiousness is not letting me sleep...

[deft kayak]

gg to all the winners!

Lots of good ships this time around

[sullen wedge]

I mean, if what you say is true (big if. no offense, but I have no way of verifying it and you have a motive to not telling the truth), then I don't think that should count as a disqualification. After all, plenty of people have girlfriends or family or friends who might be interested in voting and then of course those people would vote for you. I don't think that the total number of people who voted is so small, that even if you had 10 friends voting for you it would've made any significant changes to the result. If it is true that 4 out of 6 people voted for you and some even only for you, then that's impossible to explain just via you having friends. There's no reason why anyone should ever only vote for one single ship, when they could pick as many as they like. It is quite suspicious. If you're innocent, then that sucks ofc, but I can't imagine how else something like this would happen.

@rose swan Is it illegal to invite friends or family to vote? ...If that's even what happened with Kaine.

[sullen wedge]

Where can I see the results?

[lament skiff]

I’d personally say yeah… idk, I have a big family, it would feel pretty cheap if I won just cause I put the google form in a family group chat and got 20-30 free votes

[deft kayak]

#tournament-announcements

[sullen wedge]

Cheap yes. Maybe. But then again, are there so few people voting?? If yes, then that's a general problem, because it means that anyone who happens to have the most friends who play cosmoteer would always win. I imagine at least a few hundred people voted, no???

[lament skiff]

I’m going to guess less than a hundred individual voters

[deft kayak]

88 people voted

The highest number of votes any individual ship had was 40

[sullen wedge]

Ok, that's a smaller number than I expected, but not so small that telling friends or family to vote in the contest would make such a big difference. If that's true, then you could say I cheated too, because I posted the form on reddit and might have thus gotten a few more votes, simply because people wanted to be nice to the OP.

The thing that makes me suspicious is that, supposedly, some people would vote for ONLY Kaine's ships, without regarding any of the other extremely awesome (and objectively better imo) designs.

[lament skiff]

I mean, I literally would have sweeped if I put the form in my family group chat

[tribal heath]

Something like this is very detectable

And then got banned, haha

[lament skiff]

Well that’s in question right now, apparently

[sullen wedge]

Ok, maybe you have a point. I don't have indian levels of family bonds, but whoever does might have an unfair advantage. Still, if that is indeed not welcome, then there should be an official note telling people that this is illegal due to the small number of total voters.

But again, why would someone ONLY vote for Kaine's ship? That makes no sense to me, unless they specifically wanted to skew the result.

[lament skiff]

If they’re just voting because a family/friend asked, it makes sense they would just vote for them

[simple valve]

having people vote in the main menu would fix all these issues since only people who bought the game could vote that way

but it would probably not be the easiest to code

[tribal heath]

Probably to ban him from DCs (very low chance), but Kaine is not even a big player in contests, idk.

[deft kayak]

If I shared the voting form with a bunch of people who are familiar with cosmoteer, or at least who I know will judge on aesthetics instead of only voting for the one with my name on it, then that'd be fine. I'd get more votes but so would many others.

However, if I shared the form with a bunch of people who don't know anything about cosmoteer but want to make me happy, then it'd make sense to only vote for me. Especially if they didn't realize how few people in total are actually voting

[sullen wedge]

Hmm, that link doesn't really show any results. It only leads to a tie-breaker form, but one can only see 2 ships there.

[simple valve]

scroll up

[sullen wedge]

Yeah that'd be good, I think. But not sure, if possible.

[lament skiff]

scroll down* it’s the newest message

[simple valve]

have I been saying scroll up wrong this whole time?

I think it means go up, not slide your finger up

[sullen wedge]

I agree completely.

[lament skiff]

[deft kayak]

I just linked to the channel, not to any message

[lament skiff]

I’m actually so lucky xcalibur got 1 more vote cause I definitely would’ve lost the tie breaker lol

[simple valve]

nah actually I'm correct I think

[lament skiff]

If you scroll up the page also goes up unless you have your scroll wheel inverted

[simple valve]

xcalibur is a great concept for a ship and I hope it gets into career because there isn't a redshift-like built-in yet but I'm not sure about the paint

[lament skiff]

I improved the paint already but I forgor to submit the updated version

[sullen wedge]

you bamboozled me. I found it now. ^^

[tribal heath]

Raijin at the same time:

[simple valve]

well you can resubmit once I think so you could update it if the architects don't like it

[lament skiff]

Yeah

[simple valve]

it's similar but not a proper redshift-like because it's not diagonal

[tribal heath]

You can resubmit it as many times as you want in #1081651425999863949

Architect voting just deciding will be ship in career or not

[simple valve]

tho yeah there isn't anything like raijin in career either

[simple valve]

ohok I think I got confused by someone

[lament skiff]

It says once

[tribal heath]

For architect voting it's once

For appearing in creative it's unlimited and also unlimited for career after passing in architect voting

[sullen wedge]

Noob question: Is there a way to search on discord only in certain threads? Cause I'm currently trying to see which ships got the most votes and looking up their submissions here, but discord always searches in other threads too...

[lament skiff]

Don’t think so

[small breach]

tbh that would solve all current issues with voting imo

everyone would vote in game which means more players voting, ships will be accessible in game and botting the votes is gone

[slow axle]

=3
:3

[toxic ocean]

I actually commend the fact that Pav won.

It was really not about the objective quality, but about the sheer uniqueness and originality.

Hopefully I'll be able to do a similar thing with my DC stuff next contest, because not gonna lie my current submissions were sliiightly generic (Except dishwasher, that genuinely slaps).

You're deeefinitely gonna be seeing some headset chicanery too 😏

[desert trail]

i am severily happy that walt liked the ship that i made

[lament skiff]

I agree but I think immtrm’s wins were just about the objective quality lol

Although ripper is pretty cool

[rose swan]

The divisions will stay, though the specific price brackets they use will likely get changed as needed so we get a good variety of ships for each tier.

[rose swan]

If someone doesn't own the game and they're not a member of the community, they shouldn't be voting. Future contests will make that clear in the rules.

[lament skiff]

Epic

[desert trail]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-philip-j-fry-ill-show-ye-yep-gif-22605628

cant find the one that says "that'il show them"

[rose swan]

It may take a while for architect voting to finish, but in the meantime a few winning ships have some issues that need to be fixed. Nothing major this time, just crew access stuff. Add some doors or airlocks and you guys are set.

@grizzled sequoia Blink's EMP launchers have no crew access.
@past bramble Sprinkle of Star's top reactor section has no crew access.
@desert trail Kazaaakilikpleth's chaingun modules have no crew access.

[tribal heath]

Btw Vilda do you have idea when will next DC be?

[rose swan]

Not until the new thrusters are out, at least. Probably a few weeks after that so people have time to get used to the new parts.

[tribal heath]

Understanable

[misty lark]

late but im surprised i got 11 votes

[oak plaza]

In the first place do you think I would say my family to vote for me...?

They don't know the game and it would seem crazy to them me asking "vote for my ships here" when they have no clue on it...

And yea I understand your point Yaddah...

[strange mango]

i will be hosting an unofficial contest in about 13 hours

[tribal heath]

I'm curious! Can't handle with feeling of gamble after official one.

[strange mango]

i suppose, but its the first time in a while i even had a chance to host so im taking it

[tribal heath]

Gl in hosting!

[strange mango]

thank you

[small elm]

4 votes, thank you very much ladies and gentlemen 🎊 🙂 🙂

[oak plaza]

I really been overthinking about it as much...

And even if this verdict is revoked and I'm unbanned, it leaves a sour taste to everytime my results come out whether I win or not as people think I cheated...

I guess it's better to just not join the rest of the design contest...

Even right now people criticize me for shit I didn't do, what about next time...? So I guess this is really my end of this Bois...

Its been a good run...

To set things straight, Blake already said this to me before, and I already know the consequences...
#1059084974655033415 message

I have my own reputation to uphold and I abide to it, I won design contests without resulting to this...
If you guys dont believe me its fine, I just wanna let this heavy feeling off my chest and I really might die overthinking about it...

I would be stupid enough to do it again, and have said so already to the GF at the time...
Because first: she just wanna support me and doesnt wanna hold me back...
second: we both dont want me being disqualified if this ever happened again...

Im even shivering and crying right now as I felt losing this chance to engage with you guys here...
this isnt looking for pity but just what I feel right now...

and to Yaddah, your emphasis on "ONLY MY SHIPS" really hurts me...
like I know Im not architect level in design and paint but am I really that bad at the game that no one should vote for me...?

I said this before, I have accepted the ban because I though my party was at fault, that its people close to me that did it and it was fine...

but the situation changed and it gave me a bitter taste/feeling that I got banned for this shit...

You guys said its my family and friends that might have did this but it even makes me cry more that only you guys are my friends here...
I may have someone with my life but I havent had any engagement with people other than here...

Sorry for sounding sour but thats what I just feel...

I just have a lot of things on my plate right now and I just wanna throw this out there to lessen what ever it is Im feeling...

[deft kayak]

i think you may have misunderstood his message, and if you look at the results you'll see that far more than 6 people voted for your ships

also, while the ban from design contests is unfortunate, you aren't banned from the community in any other way

[deft kayak]

please don't think you're losing the ability to engage with this community, it'd be a shame to lose you

[tribal heath]

You not the architect level, but you not that bad as you think.

[vernal lance]

please give me context on this

[tribal heath]

#1059084974655033415 message

[vernal lance]

so Kaine is banned from design contests because of allegedly illegitimate votings

what I wanna know is who the fuck yaddah is and why Kaine seems to be very sour about them

[lament skiff]

I voted for two of your ships personally, so it’s not like I think you don’t deserve to win. However, even if you did just ask your family/friends(?) to vote, shows that you either weren’t thinking about the nature of the contest at all, or don’t have pure competition as your foremost concern. Frankly with it happening twice apparently leads me to believe it’s the latter.

And in my eyes, even if only a single vote is gained unfairly for anyone, it spoils my entire perception of the contest, even if it doesn’t affect the final outcome of the contest. My reasoning is really just that I didn’t spend almost a thousand actual hours of my life practicing how to design and paint just for things like this to get in the way of fair competition between myself and others (including you(?)) who have spent hundreds or thousands of hours perfecting their craft, because for me, even for something as ultimately inconsequential and niche as a Cosmoteer design project, there are few things more beautiful as pure competition between passionate folks.

Anyways, my point is that I hope other people feel as strongly about this as I do, and whether or not Kaine did it intentionally or even if he is the culprit at all doesn’t matter in the end. I would just be profoundly saddened if this sort of thing happens again in the future (from anyone). I don’t spend 75% of my free time every day building ships in this game because I’m not deeply passionate about it.

[sullen wedge]

Good rule. Impossible to enforce tho, right?

[sullen wedge]

I didn't mean it as an insult. It simply is weird, if people have the liberty to vote for any number of ships they like, that they then would vote for only one and that that one ship would be yours. I myself probably voted for more than a dozen ships, because there were so many great ones. I even told a few cosmoteer-friends about the contest too (won't do that in the future, since I now know there's only ~90 people voting) and they also voted for several ships. Because why wouldn't you, if there are so many good ones and you're genuinely interested in the contest? Do you understand why I find it hard to believe that such a one-ship-vote is genuine?

@rose swan Pinging you, because I wanna be up front about this: I told a few of my friends about my participation in the contest too. I emphasized that they can and should vote for any number of ships they like and they all own the game (which is how I met them in the first place). I won't do that again (if I don't get banned for this anyway, but I don't think I should, as it is different from blatantly trying to manipulate the vote.), as knowing the relatively low number of voters (thought it would be hundreds, rather than just ~90) does make it feel cheap. I'm actually glad it didn't end up mattering, as I got relatively few votes anyway. But if it did, I would've asked you to deduct them, as it wouldn't have been fair.
I'm telling you this, because it's the right thing to do, after seeing all this talk about friends voting and how it should be handled in the future. What do you say to this?

[rose swan]

I emphasized that they can and should vote for any number of ships they like and they all own the game (which is how I met them in the first place).
This is completely fine and within the rules.

[sullen wedge]

Good.

[oak plaza]

In the first place my ships have different styles...
I didnt have a single pallete for the whole contest...

I would even think Immtrm would have a full division vote because they are in theme with each other and the person who sees the vote would think "ohh this ship was the same from the other division and it looks cool, let me vote that..."

Mine has different style for people to choose as I made them Cosmoteers...

If Vilda wanted people to vote for different wildly ships, I delivered different looking ships...

If people supposedly voted on that matter and that's the reason I'm punished for it then it's a bummer...

And based on your logic, that there are so many good ones in the contest, some people in this community has express the need to vote those lesser to fame...

That's how I knew people when voting the last DCs as first, Immtrm, Nick, and Corpo already has a fantastic array of ship building capabilities so me myself am pushed to vote for those others to give them a chance...

[oak plaza]

The thing is, I thought so too that my Girlfriend gathered votes for me but no, we even got into a fight just for this as she is thinking I'm blaming her for this...

I didn't it myself as I know the consequences...

At first I accepted the ban due to that fact previously but now that I'm even in this mess is what got me pissed...

[sullen wedge]

The fact that your ships have different paint styles doesn't explain why someone would vote for only your ships. It can't be random. You're not being punished for having different looking paint styles. It was said that it's because a surprisingly large amount of people voted for only your ships, when that would never happen normally. I think, if you want a chance at having the ban lifted, you need to explain why this isn't what actually happened, or why it doesn't amount to vote manipulation. And that's pretty hard to do, given what the information we have indicates. I would like you, or any skilled designer, to continue participating in the contest, but this is what would need to happen, right?
Concerning what you said about voting for well-established members: I think you should always vote for what actually looks best to you, no matter how often that person has won previously. If they win every contest, then they're just that good and deserve it. At the Olympics you wouldn't declare the second runner the victor, just because the runner who actually came in first this time also came in first the last few years. You can vote however you want, but I don't think voting out of charity is a good logic to follow.

[grizzled sequoia]

Have u ask some of player that discuss about the contest with u in #ships ? Like @raven isle because they said they will vote for u in return that u vote for them

[raven isle]

huh

what am i getting pulled in to

[elfin venture]

kaine linked that earlier

[raven isle]

o

[elfin venture]

this message

[raven isle]

i honestly forgot which one i voted

i was unsure if it was his tbh

[elfin venture]

i believe i voted for two of kaine's ships (didn't like the third one as much), but i also voted for plenty of other stuff

[oak plaza]

I already voted when I asked that and Rednax even told us to stop that and we talked about a whole tangent of you should vote what you believe is good...

[oak plaza]

I understand your point but its not like I have the majority here...?
in the first place I am trying to defend for myself here but you guys are stacking the field pretty intensely that I cheated...

Which pisses me off more that 1: Vilda gave me the chance to explain myself but doesnt wanna listen to me... 2: You guys keep on insisting that its very unlikely for me to have votes...? Its only 6 for christ sake, I would be suprised if it was a heavily stacked group...

You dont even take my word for it like yea we are strangers but fuck man, I hate that no one is even listening to me...

This whole issue seems so convoluted that no one would even believe me even if Im saying the truth...

[lament skiff]

I mean, your ships were all good, but the fact that 6 different people voted for your ships only and no others means they are at the very least just heavily biased toward you

or someone is trying to frame you, which doesn't really make sense unless you have pissed someone off in the community recently

[oak plaza]

I mean who the heck would that even be, Im already keeping a low profile here and this is the most intense I have in my time in discord...
This server is the only thing I use discord for...

[lament skiff]

that doesn't really help your case

but honestly all i care about is the sanctity of future contests

[oak plaza]

yea, and honestly, I already stated that even if it does get revoked my ban...
I wouldnt be joining DCs indefinitely or any time soon...
It already looks bad in my reputation that I would be surprised if people would vote for me again and even if there are people voted, others might think Im rigging this shit again...

I guess its alright now honestly...
I already placed Kaine and Kiana on the game's credits and Architects already approved Missus Ket, even without mister...
I only would have wanted something my partner would be proud upon...

[tribal heath]

I think if someone wins with "alts", then just ban them and they won't win anymore. You can also check whether illegitimate votes were decisive or not, simply by substracting their count from all votes. If they didn't win even with "alts" then nothing terrible.

[oak plaza]

I agree to this sentiment, thats just plainly boting...
In my case, I dont even have alts or I dont even know how to make another account...
I dont have any other phone number...
I dont even have a phone number myself...

[elfin venture]

the issue here, at least to me, is that those votes definitely did exist, and it's incredibly unlikely someone would go to the effort of trying to get someone else booted from future design contests
if I were the sort of person to do that, I definitely wouldn't go after kaine, more a high-profile figure with a good chance of winning, like any master of design really
As much as I'd like to think that Kaine wouldn't do that, there's simply no other explanation

[oak plaza]

This whole situation is already convoluted enough, the likelyhood that someone is even trying to intentionally sabotage me is damn bonkers in comparison...

[lament skiff]

The only clear target for that kind of thing would be immtrm

[oak plaza]

Bro dont drop names like that hahahaha...

[past bramble]

Oh

Thats a interesting one

Classic to modern contest

Time to rework bullwark for the idkth time :D

[vernal lance]

oh boy I'm gonna have a fucking field day with this

I already have enough in stock too

huh

hmm

eh whatever, same thing

[sullen wedge]

#ships message
...come on guys, what are we doing here? Trading votes; Getting friends to vote for only you. Apart from it being unethical, it's just a design contest guys.

[strange mango]

looks like thats from a bit ago, dont think its for this contest, still, please do not try to invluence votes outside of your own, if i figure out its happening, all votes involved will be removed

[sullen wedge]

I am listening to you. I'm responding to everything you say, no? But you keep not addressing the main point, which is that, there's no reason that anyone should ever vote for only your ships. Not with the voting system we have. So, the fact that it happened multiple times indicates that shady stuff went on. Nobody is saying that you would otherwise have 0 votes. That's a strawman. You are being listened to, but you have to provide a sensible alternative explanation for the multiple votes that went only to your stuff. And so far you I haven't even seen you attempt that.

It's not convoluted

[grizzled sequoia]

Does these count? or are they too much different

[strange mango]

id say that the bottom 2 count, as they both share a very spesific gimmic, but the rules do say "your current skill level", so preexisting modern ships are not intended to be submitted unless they are resently made

[sullen wedge]

God damn. Of course spineless people are gonna want to cheat in order to have a chance, if they're going up against stuff like top left. ^^

[grizzled sequoia]

my building skill not changed that much, maybe some minor efficiensy, and i intend to repaint them, so does repaint make that count?

[strange mango]

@sullen wedge please calm down with the acusations. if you have any problem with another partisipant let the current host or a mod know and dont take matters into your own hands

@grizzled sequoia i suppose, im not gonna be too strict with the theme to be honest

[wispy vigil]

What do you mean by no other explanation?

Also, what is this drama I am only now seeing

[strange mango]

honestly no idea, its news to me too

[wispy vigil]

From the little I have read, he cheated or something

[strange mango]

im going to read up on it for a bit, i want the full picture before i make any judgements, even if it wasnt from my contest

[sullen wedge]

I am pretty calm. That last message was just a joky way of expressing awe for meekoz's design ability.

[wispy vigil]

I'll probably just remake one of my old ion rammers or Railfans for the contest

[sullen wedge]

There were apparently 6 people who voted only for Kaine's ships and nobody else's and it happened within a short time window, which is weird and leaves almost no other explanation other than that Kaine asked some people for a vote boost. Vilda has banned them from future contests for this and will state more clearly in the rules that something like this is grounds for disqualification. 6 people wouldn't usually be that much, but since only about 90 people voted in total, it's relevant.

[wispy vigil]

Hmmm

I got a whole 8 votes, more than any contest prior

[strange mango]

okay, so, i happened to have added "you have to own and played any version of cosmoteer to vote" to the rules so that should cover this from happening this contest, i could even add one or two questions that only players could answer to the votes for an extra layer of verification

[wispy vigil]

Since I have purchased modern three times, can I count that as three votes?

[strange mango]

no, this isnt pay to win

[wispy vigil]

Unfortunate, I couldn't whale through this one

[strange mango]

just to be completely clear:
you have to own cosmoteer to vote
you cant ask anyone to vote, be it family, friends, or anyone else
every voter should only vote once
nobody should have any unfair advantage during the votes

[wispy vigil]

What if I buy that person cosmoteer, then they vote?

[strange mango]

i suppose they could, but you cant ask them to vote, and if they do vote for only you, it would probably be considered cheating anyway, so i dont recomend it

anyway, thats enough of this, please dont talk about last contests drama starting now. id hate for this contest to turn sour from outside happenings

[wispy vigil]

Pay to win isn't a cheat, it's just a way of winning

[strange mango]

if you pay for the game with the intent of gaining another vote, its an unfair advantage that not everyone is using, so it might be considered a cheat. so please dont do this

[wispy vigil]

I'm only messing around, don't worry about it

[strange mango]

right

[past bramble]

You got any idea how to enforce this?

[wispy vigil]

20 page exam on cosmoteer optimisation and logistics, and the pass is getting 100% grade

[strange mango]

i could add a few questions to the vote form that would be trivial for players, but not so much for non players to answer.

[small elm]

Steam User ID's can show what games you own or at least, they used to.

[strange mango]

yes but to ask all that vote for their steam info, im not sure if thats going to be a welcome change

[small elm]

Do you have some Steam ID I could see to verify your comment?

[toxic ocean]

#tournament-announcements message BUILT-IN COPY CONTEST?! Like how I suggested YEARS ago!

That's amazing.

[strange mango]

not exactly, but also kinda yes.

the idea is to rebuild your own classic ships, but if you havened played classic, you can use classic build ins instead

i suppose if you prefer using a classic build in over your own ships, thats fine too, even if that wasnt what i had in mind

[slow axle]

@strange mango i love you!

(platonically)

[strange mango]

i take it you like the contest consept?

[slow axle]

absolutely!! it really push creativity

personally i have a whole fleet of an old faction i had in classic, mostly white unpainted ships but it's like around since 2021
always wished to have an excuse keeping to work on it

[strange mango]

glad to hear it, honestly the theme was a last minute addition, originally i was just gonna use the halloween themed rules i had written for last years october that i didnt end up using as oneye hosted instead

how many times will dyslexia make me edit that message?

[slow axle]

have it too no issue with it

[slow axle]

well you can still use it for this year halloween!!! being closer from christmas and easter, halloween theme is abit off lmao
glad you changed last minute

[strange mango]

thats the plan

[tribal heath]

So I need build ships in classic and then rebuild them in modern? Ha-ha! Of course I have some stuff in classic, but it's really ancient.

[strange mango]

the classic ships being old was very much the point

[small elm]

Where do we find these classic ships?

[strange mango]

if you still have classic instaled, they should be accessable from the modern ship library if you have any saved. if you need to install classic, that can be done here: https://cosmoteer.net/history.html by clicking Cosmoteer 0.15.18

if you are going with the build in route, you will need to do a few extra steps: spawn the ships in creative mode in classic, save them from there, and after that they should be accessable in modern from a dedicated classic tab in the library

[rose swan]

👆 This should have all the built ins from classic.

[late zenith]

am I able to just load that into Cosmoteer modern or do I need Cosmoteer classic?

[rose swan]

Those ships will load into modern, but they won't be functional. Almost all of them are broken due to insufficient command points, missing crew doors, and parts placed in thrust exclusion zones.

[small elm]

So, we just pick one and give it some TLC?

[toxic ocean]

Ohh my bad.

But that's EQUALLY as cool!

Oh my god I have just the ship as well.

Prosecutor in modern is gonna be fire!

@strange mango is there a grid size limit?

[novel coyote]

I'm definitely redesigning this thing

give it actually usable logistics

[toxic ocean]

Unique build, I like it.

However VEEEERY janky.

[strange mango]

you cant go outside the modern vanilla grit, as that falls under illegal which is not allowed, other than that, you can alter the original ships size however you want in the new version

[strange mango]

you pick one or a few and redesign them how you would make them with modern tools and parts

[strange mango]

ah, that eliminates the need to download classic to those that havent played it, thanks

[toxic ocean]

So it is an official tourney..? If it's unofficial then what is the need for there to be a set in stone grid limit.

[toxic ocean]

Pin this 📌

[toxic ocean]

👍

[strange mango]

its unoffical, theres no spesific need for the no illegal ships rule, its mostly just there so everyones on the same page, giant ships tend to get a bias in votes

[toxic ocean]

Agreed.

[desert trail]

i knew i missed something,

also, wait did i actualy have a ship win?

somewhat confused but optimistic

[slow axle]

Walt's pick @desert trail
do you not read the announcements posts

[desert trail]

i did but i wasint quite sure what it meant

[lament skiff]

Walt’s pick = win

[desert trail]

o

well.... did not expect that

i dont even have a propor fragment of cohericnt words to express

[desert trail]

[strange mango]

we have a dedicated channel for updating winning ships https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1081651425999863949

[desert trail]

huh, i didint know that

i'll move it

[strange mango]

i thought so, so i pointed it out

[vernal lance]

would this ship be acceptable to remake (it is recently made, with my current skill)

@strange mango

[toxic ocean]

Not too shabby, the color scheme is a tad obnoxious but for classic this is solid.

I wanna make a classic ship too, I saw one in SotD and it looked stellar.

[vernal lance]

i tried doing the calidus paint scheme

not having an accent will drop kick you in the face

[toxic ocean]

I'm cooking in classic as well, but I really feel like I ought to upgrade an actually old classic ship.

[toxic ocean]

Yeah the lack of accent is limiting, but that's basically what Vilda had been doing for years.

[vernal lance]

do i look like vilda to you

[toxic ocean]

How nifty, this obnoxious Modern bug is a thing in classic too.

Wherever I go I can't escape it.

[vernal lance]

are you making a classic ship, for this contest?

[toxic ocean]

No I'm just goofin' around.

I have a different plan for that.

[toxic ocean]

No, you look like Vilda at home.

[vernal lance]

i look like i wrote "vilda" on my forehead in sharpie dont i

[toxic ocean]

No, more like someone who has a sticky note saying ''vilda'' stuck on their head.

[strange mango]

(sorry for the late reply, discord wasnt working and i only see the new messages now) the idea of the contest was to remake an old ship to see how much better you have gotten at ship building, using a resenly build ship would mostly defeat the purpose of this contest, so if posible, please use an older ship

[toxic ocean]

Exactly what I thought of, that's why Big Dig isn't gonna be the ship for the contest.

(I wonder if I submitted this back in a classic contest 2 years ago would have it won?)

[strange mango]

it probably would have had a desent shot, but theres no way to know now, unless i run a classic only contest, actually that might not be a terible idea

[forest peak]

Your redesign is the most beautiful animal/organic looking vessel ever!

Can i use it in Bossbattle PVP?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059085469708734515/1208541462954905670/2024-02-18_11_14_55.jpeg?ex=65e3a8f2&is=65d133f2&hm=8ec2d24f60b6ed99382934597a74bb886d1aa89ddb3a9170cfa7cbf4b50df19c&

[past bramble]

holy shit

that so cool

[toxic ocean]

Yeah when I saw this I was very impressed, making good looking organics is even harder in Cosmoteer than in Minecraft.

[strange mango]

id say whichever is harder depends on things like scale, colour palette and what you are trying to make. minecraft has way less ways to make small scale curves while cosmoteer has a pretty limiting amount of colours per creation for example

[slow axle]

Minecraft has no way to make small scale curves :agony:

Everything has to be massive

[strange mango]

best you can do is stairs and trapdoors i think

[slow axle]

You can make a curve out of cake i guess/
Well you have a point, it does but it's very limiting, and only vertical

When i said you couldn't i meant horizontally

[strange mango]

fair enough

[novel coyote]

Thanks! And sure, you can use it if you want, but it is a bit of a form-over-function build

[strange mango]

thats fine, in fact, form over funtion is encouraged. its a design contest, so its all about aestetics (though some funtion is expected, please dont submit empty hulls(this is mostly writen so nobody gets any funny ideas))

[novel coyote]

If i want to make a change to my submission, what is the best way to do it?
(I just realized there are four prisms that aren't actually doing anything)

[vernal lance]

resubmission or copy media link and pasting it onto the submission message (also delete the ship file from the message if you want to replace it)

[strange mango]

just delete the submission post and resubmit the updated version. as long as you do it before the deadline you can resubmit as much as you need, you lose the reactions but that should not effect the votes

[simple valve]

Any update on architect voting? It's been 11 days

Ofc I get that they can be busy

[rose swan]

3/5 votes are in. I plan on giving it a bit longer, and if nobody else votes in the next few days I'll just post the results as-is.

Assuming the current votes don't change, right now 7 ships are getting in for sure. 2 more will get in on a 2/3 majority if there are no other votes, and 2 ships have gotten no votes at all.

[slow axle]

Who's vote missing? Is that a private information?
I assume Door and Hatter/

[strange mango]

heads up for contest partisipants: this weekend i wont be available for a majority of both saturday and sunday due to me visiting family for my birthday.

[strange mango]

im having internet problems, my conection is constantly cutting, replys might be slower than usual today

[strange mango]

internet problems seem to have dissapeared on their own

[past bramble]

when are we getting results vilda?

[simple valve]

"in the next few days" - 3 days since it's been said

[vernal lance]

maybe few means 10 days

[simple valve]

Then let's just wait a week

[uncut vault]

what bug

[toxic ocean]

If your ship isn't facing forwards and is instead tilted, the selection grid has a random chance to be all wonky (I.e. the direction that the ship is ACTUALLY facing relative to the world)

[uncut vault]

ohhh ok

havent painted diag ships yet so i wouldnt have known

[toxic ocean]

Doesn't have anything to do with diags.

If your ship is off-centre for any reason, like you making it fly or it getting bonked or any other reason.

[uncut vault]

oh

ive never run into that bug then

[novel coyote]

Kine this prism on Bulwark (Kheper?) isn't aimed

[past bramble]

ok

[slow axle]

I like t osee that architect voting is almost always unanimous (considering Door hasn't voted)

I'm also glad my ship got approved!! I really put alot of work into it

[desert trail]

techincaly my name is spelt wrong in the doc, but that happend last year i think

also i dident know there was a doc

[desert trail]

tweeked some things, based off of coments in doc

mainly from hatter and vilda

also i just realisd that all 3 of the ships that meekoz submited won, so nice job!

i bet you dident expect that

[lament skiff]

Where do i find the approval

?

Is xcalibur approved

[desert trail]

its in the #tournament-announcements

[lament skiff]

Oh I didn’t get notified for some reason

[desert trail]

your ship is probibly one of the two coolest ships

[lament skiff]

Damn

Guess I gotta get another ship to win

[stray burrow]

Yes

[elfin venture]

hey you get one do-over

[forest peak]

where can i find info about the current design contest? seems im totally overlooking it ...

[strange mango]

#tournament-announcements message

[forest peak]

my ship will be a rebuild rather then just an update - and it will be very classic in minimal and brutal way ...

[strange mango]

you are free to interpert the theme that way, im usually not too strikt on unofficial contests themes to preseve creative freedom as much as posible

[strange mango]

@forest peakif its not much trouble, could you let me know how much time you need to submit the .ship files? its been about 2 hours. if it takes too much longer(about an hour), i will have to delete your incomplete submission, this does not mean you are discualified or even in trouble, you will be free to resubmit at a later time with the .ship files.

its just so others dont have to choose between waiting for you to finish your submission and having to post thiers before yours is complete

[forest peak]

will take some time (days) so i will delete the sub and then resubmit.

[strange mango]

thank you, and you still got a little under 2 weeks, so no worrys

[toxic ocean]

Remaking my iconic old ship Imperator for this DC, I had epic plans for the head and wings but too bad we're restricted by the build-grid.

[strange mango]

@forest peak i am sorry if this was unclear, but you are expected to also add the classic ship(s) that where the base for the modern ones into the submission. as the idea of this contest was to have a direct comparison in your past and current ship building skills. ive never been super stict on the submission format of unofficial contests, and have added you to the votes, but if you can, it is prefered that you add the classic ships

other than that, your submission is all good

i found some of your classic ships with similar names, but those where screenshots only. and i would like the .ship files for the submissions comparison savegame

[forest peak]

i will search for the classic counterpart ...

[strange mango]

thank you

[grizzled sequoia]

I can submit more than 1 ship, right?

Or it's just one

[vernal lance]

goddammit of course you joined in

[night atlas]

F

[grizzled sequoia]

i got free time

[strange mango]

you can submit more than one ship

but it will count as one submission

nice touch how seraphim supremes ion core looks like an eye btw

[strange mango]

reminder

submission deadline ends in exactly 1 week from now

[toxic ocean]

Ain't no way I'm getting top 5 with submissions this awesome, I might need to throw Imperator in the bin.

Maybe I could remake Olympus Mons?

Or nah.

[misty lark]

nah

[strange mango]

id stick with what you are currently working on, rather than start something new with a week till the deadline.

[slow axle]

I should start working ngl but i have other project in mind for now

Hopes i will have enough time and a good looking classic ship in my drawers

[toxic ocean]

Don't worry I have a 75% success rate track record on submitting things last day, 100% if we speak DCs hosted by you specifically 😉

[strange mango]

i am well aware, im just giving advice on what i would do in your situation, if you think you can manage a week, im not stopping you

[toxic ocean]

Yeah I think I can manage a week, afterall that's the timeframe Soltron was made in XD

Well okay to be fair it was more like 9 days, but the point still stands.

[strange mango]

good luck then, just, as i seem to say every contest i host, dont overwork yourself too much

[toxic ocean]

Eh, one build grid limited ship isn't too much work.

I'm just trying to find a unique style to work with and felt like Imperator was the best candidate because then I can pull this style that I myself came up with.

This here is a 3-layer imperium.

First of its kind I believe.

[elfin venture]

Wow, this is epic

[toxic ocean]

I was planning to make a boss ship using this very style, but it was too much work and I kinda lost steam halfway.

(left)

[elfin venture]

ok yea i see why you decided not to finish that

[toxic ocean]

It's gigantic and that style is pretty time-consuming to paint with.

Default Cabal and Imperium seem like the easiest paint styles to do large-scale, speaking from experience.

[elfin venture]

Imperium, definitely

i don't have enough experience with cabal to comment on it

[grizzled sequoia]

the first thing i did, for the rework, if the eye could not work, maybe i never made it a seraphim

[strange mango]

im glad it worked out then, it was about time someone made a biblically acurate ship

[grizzled sequoia]

Yeah

[slow axle]

@strange mango Can the classic ship that get reworked be illegal?

[vernal lance]

no

hold on who can relay this to them

[strange mango]

it depends, is it illegal by modern or classic standards? if the former, then yes, you can use it, if the latter(or both), then probably not

[slow axle]

Classic standards (so the latter i suppose)

[strange mango]

in that case, i dont think i can allow it as it is, though if you edit it in classic to remove the illegal parts with as little changes as posible, it should be fine

[slow axle]

It's just that the clear majority of my classic ships are modded 😓
Guess i'm gonna find one that is eligible to the contest

[strange mango]

ah, yea, mods are off the table intirely, sorry, you can still use a build in though

[slow axle]

if the former, then yes
Aint one of the main rule of the contest is to make a ship that is legal by modern standards?

[slow axle]

I was planning on making a classic modded ship vanilla and legal in modern

[strange mango]

it just says you cant build illegal ships, but most legal classic ships become illegal when spawned in modern, so i dont count that

[slow axle]

Alright, makes senses

[wispy vigil]

the contest seems to be nearing a deadline

[strange mango]

it indeed is. there is a little under 3 days left

[slow axle]

I won't partake unfortunately

May the best win

(#1059085469708734515 message)

[strange mango]

thats unfortunate, but theres always next time

[slow axle]

Exactly! Have a nice time t'ill then <3

[strange mango]

thanks, im sure that wont be a problem.

[toxic ocean]

Thanks for reminding lol.

I remade one of my classic ships randomly, wonder if it's eligible.

Very basic but charming design.

[strange mango]

you are free to submit it, i dont see any reasons why it wouldnt be eligible, at least not on first glance

[toxic ocean]

Yeah true.

[wispy vigil]

i tried to stay as close to the original paint of my ship, using the extra colour for the highlight blue

might do a different paint later

[strange mango]

@wispy vigil your classic ship in the submission doesnt load in either classic or modern. while not disqualifyed, i cant add it to the submissions save game

[wispy vigil]

yea

i don't have any classic ships left and that is on the discord and i rebuilt it from the image

[strange mango]

i see, well it is what it is, again, not disqualifyed, but this might negatively effect your votes by a small factor due to people not being able to see it in game

[wispy vigil]

i don't mind

[strange mango]

fair enough

[toxic ocean]

List of bad looking remakes has grown from one to two!!!

I had big plans with Imperator and its unique as all hell paint style, but it was too ambitious and I've ended up with these half-decent looking garbos.

[strange mango]

i wouldnt call them bad, maybe not as impressive as soltron but thats a very high bar anyway

[strange mango]

im a bit late with the final 24 hours reminder, so this is the final 22 and a half hours reminder

[strange mango]

i am going to sleep now, when i wake up, there will only be a few hours left until the deadline. if you havent submitted yet, its now or never

[strange mango]

votes have started

[toxic ocean]

Lol looks like someone forgor to submit ships again.

Oh well, not as if it was an official context or I've put much effort in those ships.

I kinda gave up on contests after the january bullshit.

[slow axle]

@strange mango Do you have access to the email of those voting?

[strange mango]

i dont

[slow axle]

I might fail the questions because i'm dumb

[strange mango]

you only need to get one correct, dont worry

if you really dont know, one of the answers is easily findable by checking the server emotes

[slow axle]

Anyhow

Alittle sad i couldn't partake because all my classic ship are modded

[strange mango]

assuming you are the most resent vote, you are good

[slow axle]

Will you host a similar contest in the futur or it that a one time event?

[strange mango]

there is a pretty good chance ill revisit themes sometimes

[slow axle]

My classic fleet is a testimony of how much i've improved :agony:

Best part is that i still like them! In their own ways...

[strange mango]

old ships have a charm to them