#New alien race called The Hivemind (MUST READ)

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They dont have a build menu but a evolution menu
sufficient blood for supply
have drones that collect dead and living crew after defeating a ship
build with biomass and raw materials/ refined mats that become unrefined by reverse-crafting
every ship would function like a living body
not cockpits or command rooms but giant brains that require loads of fuel to properly thing
the incentive as a player is to survive by playing aggressive to get blood and other nutrients
could farm stations with food
armor could be made out of organic bio steel made out of raw stuff
bioelectricity could be a thing
stuff that de-refines refined mats could be stomachs
missles could be smaller aliens filled with acid that rush ships to explode
weapons could attack with: spines, acid, viruses, funguses, muscle+tooth combo for high melee damage (kind of like ion beam) and a load more

This would be a ton of fun to play, and could use a lot of interesting but functional gimmicks.
This is only a rough idea i came up with but everyone could brainstorm on this idea

It would be epic to have stuff like this in the game, combined with multiple factions within races

wide river
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what would be the functional difference

inner matrix
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Honestly this would probably work better as a mod, based on the suggested idea

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We already got some pretty suitable stuff rn for factions

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No need for something complex, with "evolution menus" or "acid missiles"

wide river
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I like the idea of an organic ship, but how would it actually work without being a reskin?

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also, I think the the thread should be renamed to “organic ships”, or something like that...

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First things first I do not think having faction exclusive resources is a good idea for a gameplay, lore wise it wouldn't make sense, but I think everyone would rather just find iron plates to remake the hull.

arctic widget
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regrow the hull*

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its not a faction its a race

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so basically it would function totally different

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but the recource must stay unique

wide river
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I'm taking it from a gameplay design perspective.

arctic widget
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else the race isnt unigue

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it would be great for gameplay design

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every ship must have a stomach

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where recource gets stored

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and refened becomes unrefined

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so that would be unique in crafting when transferring to humans

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so you can make nukes instead of reactors for example

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cuz the game would be cooler if it was massively multiplayer

wide river
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Think of it like this: imagine you have just destroyed a ship that had like 5 crew in it, and it was a massive cargo ship full of resources, That are all useless because you can only use the biomass from the crew...

main pilot
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so literally no difference from destroying a ship and salvaging it

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but worse

arctic widget
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no thats not it

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basically turning the recource into nutrients which is used to build

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like proteins

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and other stuff

wide river
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Sorry I had only written it from before you explained it

main pilot
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thats literally salvaging but only needing an extra factory to exchange all the "non organic" into "organic"

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fuctionally the same

wide river
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I agree with David

main pilot
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anyways that idea would work as a mod, but as gameplay difference, its functionally the same

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wide river
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When it comes to resource management it shouldn't be more difficult than playing humans.

arctic widget
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a stomach is basic need

wide river
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also supplies energy

round yoke
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No

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main pilot
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again, gameplay wise it would make absolutely no difference

round yoke
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I said No
I mean No

wide river
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I just don't think for balance reasons that different races should use different resources

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wide river
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Because if a human destroys a hive ship they can't use ANYTHING.

main pilot
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its literally just adding an intermediary, unescessary step in between everything

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also wouldnt make sense anyways

wide river
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It would suck

arctic widget
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they would be proficient in mining and stripping recources

wide river
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I know that turning iron plates into biological armor doesn't make sense, but remember it's a video game

arctic widget
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yeah yeah

main pilot
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honestly might as well make them regular barbarian entity that roam the map which can be kill for bounty, having ship wreck around them and maybe some valuable loot inside like uranium/diamond

arctic widget
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it could work like that

main pilot
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instead of overly complicating thing into a entirely different faction that actively punish player for not playing hivemind by not allowing them to salvage anything useful when killing hivemind ship

arctic widget
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making them playable would be alot cooler tho

wide river
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Can we agree no faction specific resources? There's a reason why literally no one does it like that.

main pilot
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Actively punishing people for not playing hivemind is a really bad idea

arctic widget
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true

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maybe for being able to build you need nutrient

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and it just keeps refined recources in stomach

main pilot
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again, functionally no different

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its literally just existing resource reskin

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at that point

wide river
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And I want to avoid re skinning things

arctic widget
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stomach would be storage + factory

main pilot
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also again, if a player were to play a regular ship destroying a hivemind, they wouldnt be able to salvage anything

arctic widget
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and evolutions you buy with biomass instead of credits

old forum
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sounds like a mod to make

main pilot
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cause all "organic" and not compatible

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so you literally just punnish the player for not going full hivemind

arctic widget
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sorta

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its a game

main pilot
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then it would become a reskin of existing resource, just having a reskin factory to convert

wide river
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Just let the hive mind player use normal bleeding resources!

arctic widget
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well how could it be organic then?

main pilot
arctic widget
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wait just join voice in gen-2

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alot easier

arctic widget
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(the hiveminds)

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not humans

wide river
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The faction will be unique through its gameplay mechanics not what resources it uses for the same reason why the Protoss are different mechanically from the Terran

arctic widget
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which are easier in commerce

main pilot
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if replacing credit with "biomass"
Its essentially even more of a reskin, make functionally no difference
Would just be better if you just have it as a mod which include organic theme weaponry, an hivemind faction that build their ship using said weapon and theme but still dropping normal component

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wide river
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you're basically saying that the terrain and the Zerg are the same because they both use minerals!

arctic widget
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the minerals are raw recources though

main pilot
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wide river
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Can we focus on the gameplay instead of the Lore?!

arctic widget
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lore translates into gameplay

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so trade would be difficult

wide river
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Because I have ideas on how this race could be unique but it relies on the fact that you do not need to jump through an extra hoop just to use iron!

arctic widget
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i dropped that idea already

main pilot
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assuming the player get treated as true neutral(ie able to trade with both hivemind and human) then it would kinda work ish

wide river
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As a hive player I want to be able to repair my ship without having to hold a factory to turn the entirety of the newly destroyed ship’s steel back into iron ore

main pilot
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and vice versa yea

wide river
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yeah, and then to just have to turn it back into an iron plate equivalent!

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wide river
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thank you!

arctic widget
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gameplay wise yes it would be annoying

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but it could be a scourge to asteroid fields because of eating it rapidly for recources

wide river
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Now on to this race's actual unique mechanics, please!

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can I say my idea first?

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wide river
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Or do you wanna sta-

arctic widget
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?

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ask ahead

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the unique mechanics would be its way of maybe infesting enemy ships with viruses

wide river
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first instead of a reactor and plasma batteries, hive ships use a heart and blood.

arctic widget
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yes

wide river
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let's focus on the vital processes first

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Obviously, corridors would be replaced with blood vessels

arctic widget
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the blood would work by using bloodcell thingies instead of crew

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maybe even bugs

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the bugs would be inside of blood plasma all the time so they would be alot faster

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but everything needs a lot more supply

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like blood flow

main pilot
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i was thinking more "Suffer more if holes get poke through"

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losing blood pressure and all that

arctic widget
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yeah

wide river
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Honestly, I prefer if hive ships were normal organisms and not colonies

main pilot
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as more hole and gapping wound, end up slowing down every connected corridor/pathway of an entire section around the "heart"

wide river
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And there would NOT be an alternative for crew members

arctic widget
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so the recourcce/energy would spill out, just like when you destroy a ammo storerome behind a cannon

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wide river
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Seriously could we work on how ships function before we try to figure out how they break?

arctic widget
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so the origin point is the heart

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which equally spreads blood to where it is needed

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there could be multiple

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just like generators

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there could be nerves aswell

wide river
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no

arctic widget
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which send bioelectric stuff

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cuz how would muscle function

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also via blood?

wide river
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Give me a second! i'm trying to theory craft as quickly as i can!

arctic widget
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aight

wide river
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Because I only gave like the title without any actual information!

arctic widget
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yep

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hows it going?

wide river
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I'm just jotting down my ideas in a doc right now...

arctic widget
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ok ok

wide river
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Heart (Reactor equivalent): Produces up to 30 blood cells. And replenish a charge of blood cells that enter it.

Blood Vessel (corridor equivalent): one way passage that force blood cells a direction while granting them a movement speed boost.

Blood cell (crew equivalent): Idly moves around the ship performing jobs as it encounters them. It has a charge it can expand to power an organ.

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how is this?

patent moat
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Good idea but it’s prob not going to get added

wide river
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the dev plans to add multiple factions eventually...

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But as of now that is not groundbreaking feedback