Tournament Chat

[upbeat ridge]

"we stay winning" ah

[white apex]

stop the count!!!!

[desert sky]

When did Lets_Fish signed in the tournament?

I'm not even sure you can make nNew participate as he does not have a discord account

[chilly barn]

it's not official so 🤷

[chilly barn]

I said a log counted as an auto sign up

[barren aurora]

So... if I really wanted to, I could farm points by playing against randoms in multiplayer?

[chilly barn]

yes!

if you could find randoms

and they agreed

[young jacinth]

Really? So youre saying I can ask anyone to play matches for the tourney with me?

[chilly barn]

as long as they agree

unless you think it's super bad for me to allow that in which case I can change the rules

[young jacinth]

I mean it would be really funny if its allowed. It would just really change the nature of this competition

[chilly barn]

honestly

gl getting randoms to play tourney matches with you 😭

honestly I just want to let bigglesworth and nnew be able to play in the tourney

[young jacinth]

challenge accepted

[chilly barn]

XD

currently recording the matches btw

I hope that im not saying anything mean

[granite river]

seal clubbing competition? seriously?

[chilly barn]

hm

I mean it's hard to make rules that would allow non-discord players to play, but prevent people from bringing in non-pvp players for easy wins

I would say maybe @young jacinth don't do that

[granite river]

what if you could only challenge players that have the same number of wins as you or more?

it's certainly not a perfect idea but it would at least reduce the seal clubbing

[chilly barn]

then I can't challenge players for like a week 😭

it's also

it's hard to get people to actually know that this is happening

[young jacinth]

:(
But we can still ask anyone that joined to official discord?

[chilly barn]

you can ask anyone you would consider adept level or higher on exelcior

does that work?

[young jacinth]

That still has funny implications lol

[chilly barn]

yeah 😭

man idk this tournament style is wack

also I was considering anyone who has only fought one player's wins are removed

like if a person only fought you you don't get wins from that person

[granite river]

it feels like the async tourney format needs a brainstorm session to come up with a better ruleset to balance accessibility and pacing

[chilly barn]

I feel like it isn't the worst to run this one and then see what comes out of it

we'll have some answers to some questions

[young jacinth]

Oh yea that could work

[chilly barn]

and then do a brainstorm based off of how this one works

[young jacinth]

Well you def have to make an announcement that clarifies those rules

[granite river]

agreed, but experts just can't go around beating up randoms

needs to be a boundary somewhere

[young jacinth]

Ill just have them also fight the worst performing player so far

[chilly barn]

yeah bc you will get them to do all of this for you for no reward

fs

[young jacinth]

So youre saying its allowed?

[chilly barn]

you also don't want to stop randoms from participating if they want to

the behavior we want to prevent is

• expert convinces random to play them and loose handily to them in order to boost someone's win count

I don't think anyone is sweaty enough to actually do that

I'm not sure

maybe as a point to show that there is an issue?

[granite river]

still not okay

[chilly barn]

yeah doing that is not ok

I'd want to have rules to stop that in place but I don't think that there is an easy way to do that

[chilly barn]

wow that's uh 50 minutes of cosmoteer commentary stuff... bruh

if anyone watches more than 10 minutes of it i'll be suprised

I'm not particularly energetic either

[oblique apex]

If I could talk almost entirely non-stop for 2 hours and a half during a Dom Tournamente, you can certainly do it for 50 minutes.

[chilly barn]

I mean I already did it

it's uploading now

[supple vapor]

Get a co host

Makes it much more fun/ easy to have a convo over the gameplay on screen over just u rambling if you don’t wanna ramble

[chilly barn]

because it's going thru recordings I am able to skip the "boring" parts

[supple vapor]

Trueee

I think saris used to have a full length vod then a highlight reel as well

But that’s a lot of work ofc up to you entirely but ppl will appreciate either

[chilly barn]

well

here's all the matches

https://youtu.be/2qxyq47LmgM?si=7rNO-Vexcs2szd4m&t=2387

I started at @brisk briar 's crazy ship XD

[chrome veldt]

The Patrol ship tournament is in just under a week. Any price changes are locked in now.

[hybrid tulip]

lmfao

no two ships remember

[chrome veldt]

I never said this was my entry!

[hybrid tulip]

just reminding because some people didn't get the memo dw

[granite river]

greenshicken 3 way tie with themselves is too funny

[surreal pecan]

It's like playing chess with yourself and winning :>

[granite river]

shicken for architect when

[barren aurora]

Hopefully they could get on as an architect if they'd want. They'd do a really good job of it

[tulip monolith]

they realy would

[lucid turtle]

Unless I take out Meekoz, I don't stand a chance.

[barren aurora]

Both of you could become architects lol

[lucid turtle]

No. I guess it's a gunslinger's duel—only one walks away........

[tulip monolith]

Just got to bring a 50 cal

Texas red ain't getting up after that

[surreal pecan]

good bad ugly music kicks in

vaguely western sounding sfx

distant bell ring

[desert sky]

@young jacinth Hey! Sorry for going out of context in the other chat
I recall having seen or heard of a flak swarm over on excelsior or that you needed victims to test your swarms.
Even if it's just still in experimental state, or you got a different sort of swarms and I messed things up, anyways I would like to see it/them

[young jacinth]

i was talking about an sc swarm there

those are the ships

[desert sky]

Thank you

[gilded spindle]

I am wholelly underequipped for this tournament

[young jacinth]

Perfect

[young jacinth]

@chilly barn youre up vs me first

[desert sky]

@young jacinth Due to a crash I may be late by several minutes :<

[young jacinth]

@desert sky @brisk briar

snow you ready

[desert sky]

Nope

[young jacinth]

@slowking vs me then

@gilded spindle

[desert sky]

You can do a match where I'm not involved and I think I'll be ready

[gilded spindle]

omw

[chilly barn]

beat by noob box then swarm 😦

[short tartan]

@hybrid tulip we can team up next 2v2 Dom tournament, promise

[barren aurora]

Did you run the kiter?

[chilly barn]

kiter?

ran this against noob box

lost by rod

[desert sky]

Oh yeah why don't we have a stream mister @young jacinth

[chilly barn]

then I played this bc this is the only thing that consistently beats noob box and plaus switched to swarm

[young jacinth]

we have one lol

and are you ready for your match?

lets do @chilly barn vs lets fish next

[chilly barn]

( @brisk briar )

[desert sky]

Sure! I am ready!

[desert sky]

You did not shared it afaik

[young jacinth]

next match

[young jacinth]

#tournament-announcements message

[desert sky]

Always knew you did

I was responding to a comment from 20 minutes ago

[brisk briar]

I dont think that could have been any closer

[young jacinth]

@desert sky @brisk briar

[brisk briar]

<100 health CR waiting in ROD

[chilly barn]

😭

ggs

[brisk briar]

ggs

[desert sky]

ggs!

[chilly barn]

yeah so I think structure heat dissipation should be nerfed

this type of ship meta is not good imo

😁

[brisk briar]

def

[desert sky]

It does not need heat dissipation

Here I prove my point

[chilly barn]

@young jacinth didn't I win 2-1?

[young jacinth]

yea refresh the page

wrong entry at first

[chilly barn]

ah cool

[young jacinth]

@chilly barn @desert sky

[gilded spindle]

What's happened

[young jacinth]

@desert sky @gilded spindle

[gilded spindle]

that

[young jacinth]

@gilded spindle @brisk briar

[chilly barn]

dang

[young jacinth]

@desert sky we fight now

[desert sky]

Coming!

Gosh I'm coming

[young jacinth]

@brisk briar

[desert sky]

I wanted to clarify LetsFish your nuke flinger is one of my favourite ship archetype already
I just dislike the cannons and thrusters perforated trypophobia ship

[young jacinth]

@gilded spindle @chilly barn

Slowking didnt show up so CGT wins by default

Congrats to Coolgamertag for getting second place!

[gilded spindle]

.>

I had a problem outside of control, GG

[chilly barn]

dang

I mean

[chilly barn]

if you wanna just run three matches I'm down

[sonic flame]

if the meltdown update comes out before august 2, what is to be done?

[quick kelp]

@hybrid tulip what's up with the patrol ship tourney?

[hybrid tulip]

Lack of time but it's gonna happen

I think I'll try to do the first round today

But the others will have to wait 3 or 4

[hybrid tulip]

ROUND 1 !

[tulip monolith]

-# i forgot about that

[hybrid tulip]

https://youtu.be/mzEcgLltc3Q

[hybrid tulip]

rip

[sonic flame]

ship i had was a mite too expensive anyway

[hard rover]

yippie i won something

hoping whatever flak ships remain get flitered hard enough that i can just counter everything else

hm looking at the other match rod is going to be a big problem but i have hope

[short tartan]

if I can figure out recording I may start my own version of this

[short tartan]

I'm absolutely gonna run my own version

and I'm going to throw some interesting ideas on it and give it some twists

[hybrid tulip]

I'll be doing rematches for byte because I thought I corrected a mistake when it was intentional so mb

[short tartan]

gotcha

[hybrid tulip]

(his flak was supposed to be infinite fire)

[tropic mantle]

yes

[upbeat ridge]

byte w

well alt a actually but whatever

[barren aurora]

Any updates on this?
No pressure, buuuut I'm just sending a reminder because I want to see crackshot fight lol

[hybrid tulip]

god forbid people have a private life

[barren aurora]

Sorry. That was inconsiderate of me

[hybrid tulip]

Round 2

[tropic mantle]

u r impatient. rude. learn manner

[quick kelp]

so far i have maintained a perfect 50% win rate

[chrome veldt]

I fit two OC Ions on mine, and have a perfect 0/4

[short tartan]

reminder, Dom 2v2 tournament next week

[hybrid tulip]

https://youtu.be/a6KuHI8ll6E

[hybrid tulip]

your kiting strat is working against you

[chrome veldt]

My pathfinding here is REALLY wonky. It did NOT fly like that in testing.

[hard rover]

i'm still 50 50 unfortunately, or fortunately since i'm not losing yet

honestly i probably should've went with rail alpha instead of kiting

all my loses were one shot away from winning and i only lost due to rod shenanigans messing with the ai

[hybrid tulip]

you tested in pvp room or in battle helper

[chrome veldt]

both.

there's been a few patches since then, and my ring started closer in (and moved slower)

My ring was one size up from minimum.

[hybrid tulip]

minimum time is kinda necessary for the tourney because there's a lot of situations where the match just stalls and with 5 or 10 minutes it was horrible

[chrome veldt]

No argument, but I think your ring was larger than the one I teted in.

[young jacinth]

@sonic flame @hybrid tulip so you 2 are a team for the upcoming domination tournament?

[hybrid tulip]

yep

[sonic flame]

yee

[white apex]

gogod luck!!!!

[short tartan]

@supple vapor fyi @gray halo is struggling to find a teammate

[gray halo]

yep

[gray halo]

my mining ship was a good idea (exept that 1 time it did 180 and got shot and became just an empty shell)

[supple vapor]

@hybrid tulip are u still looking for a teammate for dom 2v2?

[sonic flame]

could be a backup

like in the event that i forgor to wake up, or someone doesn't wanna play because i exist, or..

[hybrid tulip]

I hqve one

[supple vapor]

ah i see it now

[young jacinth]

mega needed one

[sonic flame]

i may or may not be hard to reach on discord but will try to keep active within the cosmoteer window if that is so

[white apex]

after being reminder of ai's stupidity, i think a 1v1v1 b&b ai fight tournament could be interesting

however this would take even longer than normal tournies

[short tartan]

@young jacinth since King pulled out last minute how do you feel about letting artem play on his own?

[young jacinth]

Thats not gonna happen. Playing alone allows for usage of higher cost ships which is an advantage 2 player teams dont have

We are trying to find him a teammate

@bright anchor you okay playing with @upbeat ridge

?

[upbeat ridge]

lesgo

[short tartan]

good luck to all the other tournament participants

[supple vapor]

appreciate the last minute team sub btw

[upbeat ridge]

npnp

[sonic flame]

when the hot is dom

[young jacinth]

me @short tartan vs @sonic flame @hybrid tulip

[sonic flame]

full?

[hybrid tulip]

can you see our ships ?

since you're the host

NOOOOOO

100 credits off hold on let me fix that

[sonic flame]

at least it means i can't use "dom cheese"

[young jacinth]

no

[gray halo]

oh no hive mind pvp :(

[sonic flame]

i forgot how much thrust was needed for dom,

[young jacinth]

@gray halo @brisk briar & @bright anchor @upbeat ridge

[zinc quiver]

@bright anchor get out ur solo game lol

bro is playing himself rn

[short tartan]

@supple vapor saw some of the ideas in breads and built my own

i messed around with OCcap before i saw yours but i was using it for thrust

using cap is a very elegant solution to the turret angles problem

[zinc quiver]

@young jacinth ur fine

he said he can see now

[short tartan]

@young jacinth at this point you should start/stop countdown

[young jacinth]

@tulip solar you ready now?

[gray halo]

man beating artem is imposible for me

[young jacinth]

@opal tangle

[tulip solar]

yes

[gray halo]

the only time I beat him in a 1v1 was in hive mind pvp and in 2v2 I was with king or plaus maybe

still I didnt attack the back

and it was my only win

exept that 3v1 when I was the 1

oh ye

still win is a win?

eh?

[young jacinth]

@gray halo @brisk briar vs @sonic flame @hybrid tulip

[gray halo]

ok I typed too fast now eh?>

[short tartan]

losers bracket

its double elim

[gray halo]

whats the passworld

[hybrid tulip]

password ?

[short tartan]

hotdom

[gray halo]

thx

[short tartan]

@young jacinth call them riftoids lol

[hybrid tulip]

I didn't know that ressuply didn't empty the thermal batteries

[sonic flame]

i emptied it anyway

[upbeat ridge]

who up streaming they units

[gray halo]

welp dom is fun untill my enemie is artem (mr king too but its much more rare so its less of a problem)

[sonic flame]

sorry to curse you with my presence

would i get instantly deleted if i joined fight club

without knowing what it is i'm sure i'd fail it

[young jacinth]

@bright anchor @upbeat ridge

[sonic flame]

artem when

[young jacinth]

@bright anchor @upbeat ridge vs @opal tangle @slim reef

[tulip solar]

strange

ok

[young jacinth]

Oh I misscalled sorry

[tulip solar]

xd

[short tartan]

bracket typo lol

[young jacinth]

f

[gray halo]

yep thats . . . maybe not

[short tartan]

cosmoteer political??????

[gray halo]

also where is the thing?

[young jacinth]

@gray halo @brisk briar

[gray halo]

oh

[young jacinth]

@bright anchor @upbeat ridge

[gray halo]

so whats now?

[upbeat ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tan-cat-tan-cat-spin-spin-spin-cat-spinning-cat-gif-25835363

[sonic flame]

can't wait for non-workaround spinners to be real

[gray halo]

so do I and lets fish are going to fight again or its over?

[sonic flame]

its over for yuo and me

[gray halo]

oh

man why did I get to fight 2 people that I cant win agains in first 3 machis

[upbeat ridge]

que

[short tartan]

@bright anchor @upbeat ridge your up fyi

[upbeat ridge]

ah gotcha

lol okay rift

[upbeat ridge]

not up?

[short tartan]

srry

thought it was bo1

[oblique apex]

[young jacinth]

@bright anchor @upbeat ridge

[short tartan]

for reals this time

[upbeat ridge]

ty

[sonic flame]

ah, une mille.. fascinating

gonna hafta get playing in half speed again

[white apex]

@hardy palm not official?

oops

@gilded spindle

[white apex]

better price for meltdown

[sonic flame]

yee, suppose so

[gilded spindle]

having a look at that now

[sonic flame]

oh and i promise to respond to pings and/or at the very least show up on time and when called

[hard rover]

i didn't think this through hold on how does one make a 1mil railfan

[white apex]

make it smaller

[hard rover]

how tho it's already so small

i mean ig i can make an unshielded tbrail

hmm

welp ig i'll just hope other players (plaus excluded no hope will save me from him knowing how to make 1mils) are just as confuzzled

[white apex]

is there any statistic for how long tourney games and prerounds take? i feel like there is a lot to be optimized and would be useful information anyways

[supple vapor]

U could go record the times from the last couple tourneys

[white apex]

doing work myself \🤢

[supple vapor]

Although artem/seres times will be much higher bc they were last minute teammates

[upbeat ridge]

😭 my bad fam

though honestly it shouldnt be that bad if matchbot works

[sonic flame]

host said something about artem arguing

though had no direct vision so who knowes

[supple vapor]

It wasn’t bad @ all imo tourney total time was well within reason

[tropic mantle]

artem what is The Test

[white apex]

@gilded spindle nuke bug allowed?

i assume pip is banned

all of the ones that you use during the tournament?

[gilded spindle]

360 nukes?

[white apex]

yes

[gilded spindle]

I can't exactly stop you

It's minor and hard to catch in the moment

[white apex]

\👍

[gilded spindle]

I have to reword that reward, honestly

[young jacinth]

You mean pip bug? Thats patched

[white apex]

oh

since when

[quick kelp]

a while ago

[sonic flame]

presumably october 2024

[upbeat ridge]

it was literally unplayable

[young jacinth]

That sounds about right

[sonic flame]

barracks in ship design = diagonals don't get disqualified?

[white apex]

@lavish compass is this true

[lavish compass]

what

[sonic flame]

must've been in the middle because there was a tournament post at the start of october that got edited before the end (the end of october is when it woulda happened)

[regal blaze]

@gilded spindle I am withdrawing from the August 30 tournament. Something came up and I am no longer able to attend.

[exotic ginkgo]

@gilded spindle I'm definately am avaliable for the start of the tournament but may be busy later on; how long have other tournaments gone? and may i sign up anyway, especially as I don't think I'll place well anyway; I can state if i am pulled away as to auto-forfeit, I'm here for fun

[white apex]

i would show up but unfortunately i have acquired a social life

[exotic ginkgo]

@gilded spindle

[white apex]

depends how many people show up

[hard rover]

today tournament day and i still don't have a ship

but i mean i have built and painted 1.5mil railfans in under 30mins twice before

[sonic flame]

i have a ship and half a ship

[hard rover]

i managed to make one then assembled a bigger fleet of misfits than baikal daud at the second battle chicomoztoc

yes i'm showing up with every 1mil built in ever

[gray halo]

I have a ship but IM gona change some thing in it

[azure pond]

yea my first cosmotear tournement

[near robin]

@gilded spindle "Till the end of the hours" means at 19:00 or at 20:00?

[azure pond]

i think he meens 19:00

[gray halo]

in the sign up it said 20:00

so

[sonic flame]

there needs to be an alt timestamp for saylight davings

[near robin]

I would like it to be 20:00 too, since google says that's 2pm est.

And that's what I was expecting

But if not, it'd be alright too.

Just unexpected and gotta finish the 3rd ship quickly.

[gray halo]

ah (do we need more than 1 ship or do you just do it cus you can cus I have only 1)

[gilded spindle]

We'll go with the time prior to daylight savings, being 20:00

[gray halo]

ah

[gilded spindle]

Going to re-ping at the actual "One hour before tournament" point, sorry for the confusion.

[keen siren]

roger. I have my half baked piles finished...

[sonic flame]

so 11:00 phoenix time it be? (rather than 11:00 denver time or 10:00 phoenix time)

[near robin]

No problem and thx for understanding.

[keen siren]

Is it ok if I record my fights and ask permission from those involved if it is ok to use their records for a video?

[gilded spindle]

The tournament is already being streamed, so I see no reason why not.

[ebon bramble]

Where is the stream?

[gray halo]

idk I check cosmoteer on yt and there is no one live last time I checkt

[gilded spindle]

Oh, improper wording

It will be streamed once it starts.

[ebon bramble]

Ohh

[gray halo]

ah

[ebon bramble]

That makes more sense

[gray halo]

ye

[ebon bramble]

Is it on Yt?

[gilded spindle]

Yep!

[ebon bramble]

:D

[regal blaze]

Can you send a link in this chat when the stream starts?

[azure pond]

are we allowd to watch the stream=

?*

[gilded spindle]

I'll link it in #tournament-announcements

[gilded spindle]

Yep

[azure pond]

noice

[gilded spindle]

Anyone willing to link me a ship for a thumbnail?

[gray halo]

like the one thats gona be used?

[gilded spindle]

Any ship, really

[sonic flame]

cesent wath

[gray halo]

than maybe this ship?

f I was too slow

[sonic flame]

alt shot

[gilded spindle]

Works for me!

[gilded spindle]

Sending the bracket now, feel free to predict!

[ebon bramble]

Who's gonna win?

[gilded spindle]

Yep

[ebon bramble]

Hmmm

I think plaus

[young jacinth]

me too

[ebon bramble]

Lol

[gilded spindle]

I didn't even add Plaus lmao

let me fix

[gray halo]

I think I will win unless I will fight some one with expearience in fighting me

like plaus

plaus knows my secret strat that isnt a secret and its just my play stile

[keen siren]

Nice, I'll last till the third round *second... I have old eyes

[granite river]

complacency kills

[ebon bramble]

I'll prob lose first cuz im new

[sonic flame]

nah, I'll lose first because I'm round 0 in a more or less filler match (unless I somehow got competent against a real player)

[gray halo]

knowing mt secret strat that isnt a secret isnt a hard thing you know

[gilded spindle]

Remaking/shuffling bracket

[sonic flame]

though I guess it would be fitting to have 1 against 16

metaphorically speakin

[gray halo]

good to know

so Im fighting xsnow?

[ebon bramble]

Oh dang im cooked

So im fighting plaus or pentrait...

[sonic flame]

if we somehow fight something went horribly wrong

[gray halo]

ye good luck bud

[sonic flame]

but that's just the fun of the whole thing

[ebon bramble]

:<

Ye

[gray halo]

its 50% Im gona fight you (again I think)

[keen siren]

uh... I would worry more about plaus, I'm push over

[sonic flame]

You haven't faced me in Elimination previously, .. i think

high chance you've faced Xsnow tho

[ebon bramble]

Oh...

[gray halo]

I did in dom thow

[sonic flame]

yee

[regal blaze]

@gray halo pretty sure tourney is on unstable, you might want to head over there

[sonic flame]

i guess, forgot to check...

is it
overclock stable
new sounds unstable
ranged preview

[gray halo]

the wha

[regal blaze]

yes

[gray halo]

oh

didnt know that

[gilded spindle]

This is why I need to pay more attention

[keen siren]

uh... where?

[gilded spindle]

It was never noted, so presume stable

[regal blaze]

your lobby is on unstable tho

[gray halo]

so do I need to be in unstable or no?

[hard rover]

https://challonge.com/tournaments/a8gt7udn/predictions/1394646/edit?token=724fe94067f5013ee70402420a0000b9 here's my prediction

[gray halo]

man why did I lose in the first one

[tender root]

mine is identical lol

[hard rover]

sorry you're going up against xsnow

[hard rover]

as for me and xsnow's fight though i still have a chance

xsnow can throw sometimes

[gray halo]

man do I have the same luck as in dom turnament or do I have a chance

[hard rover]

up to you to decide

[tender root]

as long as you don't bring a gimmick or something aesthetic lol

[hard rover]

i am so cooked

[keen siren]

So... I get to watch the whole stream after the first round! nice!

[hard rover]

jk jk i'm not bringing in a built in i'm actually scared of yaddah

[gilded spindle]

Making sure everybody knows ahead of time in-case people didn't read

Budget is $1,000,000

[gray halo]

yep my ship is 999 990 so Im good

sadly there is no 10$ block I think

[hard rover]

i'm not confident i can always beat cruisers and that's the only thing he has that i'm scared of, other things i can easily beat i think

[gray halo]

ok is it really unstable or normal cus Im confused

[tender root]

i mean yaddah could just counter you by bringing something strong against rails

[hard rover]

oh shit wait my ship is not redundant at all in case he brings the oc rail thingy, this may be hard

[gray halo]

oh f rails

[hard rover]

i'm not bringing rails this tourney, if i was i wouldn't be worried about cruisers

[tender root]

rails struggle a lot against oc ls

if thats the sort of cruiser you mean

[gilded spindle]

Stable.

[hard rover]

they don't need to go through them

[gray halo]

got it

[hard rover]

you snipe the sides then ez gg

i've pulled that off in all but like 1 or 2 fights since meltdown

[tender root]

a tragedy

i have to bed :(

[hard rover]

rip

[granite river]

Plaus is the #9 seed

[young jacinth]

pay check in the mail

[keen siren]

...how dare you take my seed... them's fighting stuff

[gray halo]

so 10 min?

[young jacinth]

@gilded spindle is it bo1 or bo3?

[gilded spindle]

BO1

[young jacinth]

cringe

[hard rover]

also worth noting this tourney's playercount is higher than the last one i think

[gilded spindle]

I call it experimenting

[ebon bramble]

whats bo1/bo3?

[hard rover]

best of 1 or 3

[ebon bramble]

oh

okeh

[keen siren]

single elimination

?

[young jacinth]

But you had the same ruleset in the previous tourneys too :(

[hard rover]

bo1 means you die once you get out, bo3 means you die twice you get out

[ebon bramble]

sodns good

[young jacinth]

This is a conspiracy to decrease my chances of winning

[ebon bramble]

well...

[gray halo]

same

[ebon bramble]

my ships are kinda made with Bo3 in mind

[gilded spindle]

You don't change 20 things from the control because otherwise you learn nothing

[ebon bramble]

most of my ships are meant to counter ships

[gilded spindle]

2 things is enough

[hard rover]

same

[gray halo]

man I wish this is not going to be the same as in dom when the ion kites were the meta and killed my meta in the process

4 min?

its on

[young jacinth]

whats the password?

[gray halo]

no idea

[gilded spindle]

Check announcements

[young jacinth]

it didnt work

[gray halo]

same for me

[young jacinth]

Uh and this...

[gilded spindle]

Try again

[gray halo]

im in

[desert sky]

@gilded spindle In what order are you going to do the bracket?

Round one then two then three and so on ?

[gilded spindle]

Yes.

[ebon bramble]

the password is incorrect

[gilded spindle]

@young jacinth vs @keen siren

Capital S

Please do not join until you are pinged.

[ebon bramble]

ok

[young jacinth]

I still cant join

[gilded spindle]

“Silksong”

Now..?

[young jacinth]

Now it worked idk why

[gray halo]

ok so

[desert sky]

Are you telling me the first password to ever cause issues is Silksong?

[gray halo]

I guess so

[azure pond]

the stream is not working on youtoub

[hard rover]

@gilded spindle the streammmm

[gilded spindle]

?

[gray halo]

its off

[ebon bramble]

the stream is just the ship

[hard rover]

alr now it's working

[azure pond]

now its going

[sonic flame]

cesent wath advertisement

[gray halo]

I aint gona beat plaus if I ever even get to the end

[near robin]

Wait

Do I have the wrong patch?

I cannot find the lobby

[gilded spindle]

Stable

[near robin]

changing

[gray halo]

got it

Im fast

[gilded spindle]

@desert sky vs @gray halo

[gray halo]

what was the password again?

[near robin]

....uhm how do I return to stable?

[desert sky]

So in the end did you changed the password

[near robin]

I never did that

[gilded spindle]

Wdym

[near robin]

Is it "previous build"?

[gray halo]

I cant join

[gilded spindle]

#tournament-announcements

[desert sky]

I was meant to follow mega's message but yaddah got in the way

[gilded spindle]

Stable.

Just stable.

[exotic ginkgo]

same way you went to unstable but in the dropdown select "none"

[gilded spindle]

PvP -NH2

[gray halo]

the pass word isnt passwording

[gilded spindle]

Silksong

[gray halo]

so I cant join now unless you change the password

[gilded spindle]

.

[gray halo]

:|

[desert sky]

Well that's the incorrect password, you sure you haven't added a space either way?

[gilded spindle]

Try again

Silksong

[near robin]

There is no option on Steam called "stable". Only "preview", "unstable", "previous build", "0.29.0" and "0.26.2"

[young jacinth]

its called none

[gilded spindle]

“None”

[gray halo]

Im here now

[sonic flame]

without context, should i do "true dichotomy" or "everaim"

[near robin]

Ah! YOU HAVE TO SCROLL UP!

Everyone who might not be able to find it

☝️

[young jacinth]

@gilded spindle could you made turn the music down a bit?

its a bit louder than you

[sonic flame]

my mind blanked so hard i tried to operate the cosmoteer video

[young jacinth]

I also try to move the camera from time to time

[near robin]

What's the password?

[young jacinth]

lol

[sonic flame]

will round 2 be 3456 or 5364?

[near robin]

I cannot join

The button is greyed out

[young jacinth]

cause the match is ongoing?

should have ended now

[near robin]

right

password

[gilded spindle]

@exotic ginkgo vs @azure pond

[near robin]

@gilded spindle Sry to bother. I need the PW

[sonic flame]

3456 it be

[gray halo]

man this was a close one

[gilded spindle]

In #tournament-announcements

[young jacinth]

@gray halo add some extra caps in the downtime so you have more power storage

[gray halo]

my only sorse of energy was almoust done

[sonic flame]

power storage for which?

[near robin]

wrong password

Guys pls

[sonic flame]

not the password

was just tryna read which order the bracket would go

[gray halo]

got it

[young jacinth]

Silksong

[gilded spindle]

Are you Martinez now?

[near robin]

Oh right, we're supposed to join when we're called

I only did AI tournaments till now. ^^ sry

[sonic flame]

don't worry, you're the one after this one

[gilded spindle]

Just to avoid lag.

[gray halo]

I just realized that 4 out of 4 predictions said that I will lose

[gilded spindle]

@hard rover vs @near robin

[gray halo]

idk how I feal about this

[gilded spindle]

You surpassed fate

[azure pond]

my only weknes a rail gun kite

[ebon bramble]

thats smt to be proud of

[gray halo]

yes but idk if my luck will let me more

[gilded spindle]

Let’s see how your luck fares next one

[gray halo]

(same)

[gray halo]

ye we will see

[exotic ginkgo]

hiiiii

[gray halo]

man why are there so many rail kites in this turnament

[exotic ginkgo]

meta

snipers are a meta in many games with snipers - there's a vid on yt on why basically snipers are either meta or not. TLDR for a sniper to feel good it has to 1-shot - if it doesn't it's unused

[gray halo]

why the meta always has to be long range ship that inst going to get hit man

ion kites then now this

[azure pond]

becose you are safe and you can hit the enemy

[exotic ginkgo]

i undertand your frustration, andd recommend if you can't beat em, join em

also itseems your DCs werent OCed?

mega

[gray halo]

they where

on

I will also NOT join them the same when I didnt join the ion kite meta

[exotic ginkgo]

no rail tournament when

[gray halo]

||I wish today||

[exotic ginkgo]

f

[gray halo]

your turn plaus

[gilded spindle]

@young jacinth va @ebon bramble

[hard rover]

i was a doubter because i didn't know what you were bringing

now i think you're set to win

[gray halo]

so my turn huh?

[gilded spindle]

@sonic flame va @gray halo

[gray halo]

maybe?

[hard rover]

if i die you'll win i'm pretty sure, you can win against the kites ramming them since you're so redundant

i'm not going to use the same ship though i might switch to another

[gilded spindle]

@young jacinth vs @exotic ginkgo

[gray halo]

man if demon eye shot me while I was rotating I would be dead

[sonic flame]

did my nukes ever get loaded?

[gray halo]

I have no back protection

[gray halo]

ye its a bug

same with capasitors beaning 0.3 full

which is a problem for me\

[sonic flame]

me probably should have stalled but got a lil bored lookin at the other fight hiding behind an asteroid

[gray halo]

ah

I tried to attack you from the asterid at the top and thankfully (for me) it worked

I think my next fight will be with a rail kite

which isnt a good thing for me

so my turn now

[gilded spindle]

@gray halo and @hard rover

[exotic ginkgo]

this is single elimination yes? ie im out-out?~

[gilded spindle]

Yep, one shot

Well done though!

[exotic ginkgo]

thanks for admining~

[gray halo]

ainty doing well

[gilded spindle]

@gray halo

[young jacinth]

lmao

this isnt real

[sonic flame]

realizing this other ship i prepared woulda made more sense

[gilded spindle]

Final match!
@young jacinth vs @gray halo

[ebon bramble]

yay 😄

[hard rover]

congratulations mega!!

[ebon bramble]

:D*

[regal blaze]

congrats!

[azure pond]

congrats

[ebon bramble]

congrats!

[gray halo]

thx :)

[sonic flame]

when missiles get patched or maybe I learn crew logistics better...

[young jacinth]

Well played

I stood no chance against your might

[gray halo]

thx and you too plaus

[hard rover]

plaus ai fell off no way

[gray halo]

man I got lucky too

[azure pond]

i will make a mega counter against rail canons for next torunement

[gray halo]

if I had to fight 1 of the rail kites at the start than I may have lost and that 1 time I again just got lucky

[azure pond]

if this is still the meta

[hard rover]

i was wondering why you're still gray but then i remembered this tournament didn't have champion role reward so ig you won tbd whatever that is lol

[gray halo]

ah ye

[hard rover]

i still think you should get it though

[gray halo]

welp the one that started the fight ended it too

[hard rover]

it's not like this was an unofficial tournament

[gray halo]

well ye but I aint complaining

I had fun and thats the thing that matters

[keen siren]

Congrats Mega!

[gray halo]

thx :)

[keen siren]

That was amazing fun!

[ebon bramble]

yeah

[gray halo]

ye

[azure pond]

i have still 2 ships to show they will be shini:D

[keen siren]

I had a rail... 🙁

[gray halo]

I had a rail but it was made before the meta and it had not oc shealds so I didnt think of using it

[hard rover]

that was fun except for the fact that i forgot my engines caught fire

[gray halo]

ye it happinds

[gilded spindle]

The rules were pretty scuffed this time, honestly

[hard rover]

but tbf yaddah also got unlucky so it's fine

[keen siren]

lol... that fun

[azure pond]

i thought is was a best off 3

[gilded spindle]

Congrats to
@gray halo
For winning!

[gray halo]

:D

[ebon bramble]

yeah, good j*b bro

[azure pond]

yea wp mega:D

[gray halo]

thx :D

:D

[gilded spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/game-interface-video-game-battle-buttons-fight-gif-5014208634238361296

Uh... Red

[sonic flame]

think it was purple or blue back in classic

dev...no s were red until modern

[gray halo]

huh didnt know that

[gilded spindle]

It was purple in classic iirc

[sonic flame]

yee purple sounds correct

[gray halo]

ah

[sonic flame]

and i don't think anyone had blue

mods were always yellow far as i can remember

[gray halo]

I think the dev team was always blue thow

[sonic flame]

yee, the dev team was always blue

tho i thiink either kroom or dubmood (or both?) mighta hopped on before the change

[gray halo]

huh

[white apex]

wait i thought this was unofficial

[hard rover]

it didn't say anywhere that it was

it didn't list champion role as a reward but it doesn't say anywhere it's unofficial

[white apex]

it ddn't say it was official so it was unofficial

[gilded spindle]

The rules this time were a mess, It'll be fixed for next time.

It's been... A year since I've last hosted

[regal blaze]

Is next month's tournament going to be a more standard 1.5m format or a different price point?

[white apex]

ok thanks

i would've skipped my stuff if it were official

[gilded spindle]

Going to see how people felt about 1 mil and then ask

1.5mil doesn't need to be the standard forever

[regal blaze]

true

[sonic flame]

feels nice actually

2.5m, the "built-in boss" range
or 500k

[tender root]

ships get boring at lower price ranges

certain weapons become op while others become unusable.

[white apex]

1m should be standard anyways

[white apex]

maybe <500k

[olive wren]

1,499,999 should be standard

[white apex]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-gif-15101441684828074549

[sonic flame]

i guess TRL is an outstanding outlier if it can be at all used reliably

want any buffs or any amount of sustain to it? suddenly the price more than doubles

[lament venture]

i want to see the return of variable price points

[gilded spindle]

That never was a big thing iirc

[young jacinth]

What is that even?

[lament venture]

yes not really

[lament venture]

1m or 2m pvp ships

when i last played pvp (2019-2020) it would happen sometimes

[young jacinth]

Just call it 1m/2m xD

[gilded spindle]

Around the same time we started to look for a new price point again

We decided a middle ground was best and 1.5 happened

[hard rover]

i keep forgetting slowk is a fossil

[lament venture]

i dodged being a fossil

phew

[sonic flame]

i played in Beat The Dev!, but my ship had prototype crew bunks and I.. disabled my control room

and unrelatedly Slowk's still a part of Fort Clan

I strongly feel I could have won were it not for those two things I blundered on

[hard rover]

sorry you weren't active enough, better luck next time

[lament venture]

no its alright

[hard rover]

well i mean i didn't look much in your era

[lament venture]

im not turned to stone and can yet change

[hard rover]

give it a few years and we'll see about that

[exotic ginkgo]

are tournament ideas welcome? (particularly from me, a pretty new-to-cosmo-pvp-player)

[gilded spindle]

Sure thing!

[white apex]

what are you thinkih

thinking

[keen siren]

(free-for-all ending match) !

[exotic ginkgo]

• I'm a fan of build battle so a build battle tournament lol (with mirror being shakey probably a best-of-3 system and/or teams)

-small vs big match - something like each player has 1.5mil, but one must use 1 ship, the other must use several ships each smaller than 500k (number tbd) - round robin with 2 rounds each where each player switches roles in each match

[keen siren]

I kinda think if it is going to be single elimination, blind preview... I think ship preview is good for BO2+. I'm not sure how fog of war would playout during casting, but I think it might play a role in equalizing the weapon ranges and ship costs with scanners... maybe?

[gilded spindle]

Due to my stream, people with my stream on can use it to see what the enemy is before encountering it, making it partially useless

[keen siren]

*partially... but yeah, stream sniping would be a problem... and a bannable offense. Or, you could slow role the cast with delay... or it could be published after? If it would be a better tournament with fog of war... more work, I know.

(but I see a lot more strategies being played out with fog of war, blind preview, single elimination)

[white apex]

fog is very bad and not fun

that is just going to be random rps more than skill

not fun to watch or play

[white apex]

i am going to host a 1v1v1 b&b at some point

i will probably not be free until late november though

[exotic ginkgo]

Stream delay exists

[hard rover]

that's more an unintended issue than anything really and having a gauge on your enemy even 10 seconds late is still helpful considering idk you can do highfleet shit on there to know where they are

[upbeat ridge]

youd be surprised how much of a cosmoteer match can be known from just a few frames frame of visual

you do have to make assumptions though

[sonic flame]

in classic, it was impossible to distinguish between corridors and fire extinguishers

this is not the case in modern

[upbeat ridge]

good ol double click corridoor/conveyor

[regal blaze]

What is the min player count for the rebal tourney/

[young jacinth]

One person other than me

[regal blaze]

Also, if we are looking for more people, it might help to host "normal" tournaments @1.5m, on stable. I know that regular meltdown can be boring for the higher level elim players but if we are looking to get people to join tournaments not making them redo their entire fleet would probably help

[young jacinth]

I at least wont host normal 1.5 mil until its fun to play again

[gilded spindle]

Due to the results of the poll, I don’t see any real motive to host 1.5mil tournaments for the foreseeable future

[sonic flame]

"1 mil is better! also... 2 mil is better!"

[gilded spindle]

Even if it’s close, it’ll be at least two months before I go back and revisit it

[white apex]

2m is not better....

[tender root]

noooo

[gilded spindle]

Subjective, and it needs to be explored before you can claim that

It’s very unlikely that you’ve played 2mil since classic

[regal blaze]

1.5m might not be the best, but we need a standard pricepoint. I don't want to spend hours and hours on a design and then not be able to use it in a tournament, or build a ship to the tournament price point but not be able to test it because nobody else has ships for that price.

[tender root]

I think 1.5 is fine

[hard rover]

i don't think the poll proves much considering it was a win only by 1 vote and a tie in the second poll with 2mil being favored

but also about the testing ships part i think that's also an advantage for 1.5mil since you can still run the same ships under or upgrade them a little whereas with 1mil most of the time there isn't an easy way to downsize your ships i think but that's just subjective

[young jacinth]

The meta revolves around the same archetypes either way. The price bracket doesnt really change that. If you want entirely different stuff just from max ship costs youd need to go below 500k or above multiple mil

[regal blaze]

If the meta isn't going to change much moving to 1mil or 2mil, why not just keep 1.5?

[young jacinth]

I guess its about the small differences in how archetypes are built, played and perform

[desert sky]

I greatly disagrees with plaus, considering railswarms perform better in higher prices and spinners being weak in lower prices, the scaling isn't the same so neither is the meta

[young jacinth]

Thats such a small amount of archetypes that dont work anymore comparetively

[desert sky]

and that's ignoring drag and weight being greatly different, archetypes with an important module balance such as avoiders gets completely different values for same performances in varying price brackets

I would have won against Mega in a 1.5mil setting using the same sub archetype and the same layout, and he wouldn't have been Champion

[desert sky]

That argument is annoying because it ultimately doesn't throw off the idea that the meta is different in varying price brackets

[young jacinth]

I said that the meta revolves around the same archetypes not that its completely the same

[desert sky]

The meta has never been at a consensus more than a month or so since I was there

[young jacinth]

Then we have been playing in different metas xD

[desert sky]

Arguments regarding archetypes literally varies on a weekly basis depending who you ask and when according to what

In my experience archetypes that tends to be successful arent necessarily the most efficient, but the ones players chose to play the most
There's always a statistical bias that's reflected by players that have different time zones have vastly different ideas of the current meta

[hard rover]

i don't think this matters since meta isn't cemented yet

atleast in elim i think, ig one could say oc flak and oc rails are just the meta but i disagree with that considering the counters they have and considering nerfs are already on the way i don't think it'll last anyway

[tender root]

nah oc dc bricks and anything with oc flak are the meta

[hard rover]

oc dc bricks get hard countered by oc rails

which also happen to counter anything that isn't extremely redundant or a swarm and with oc flak they can be really tanky too

i think them winning a tournament proves almost nothing since mega didn't play against oc rails like at all iirc

all the fights oc rails got into were mirrors

[tender root]

theres a reason lobbies are nothing but oc dc bricks a third of the time now

oc rails can be very good but they're way harder to pilot

with oc dc bricks you just press the kill button and then the ship gets killed

[hard rover]

at one point that was true for oc ions so idk if that matters much

[hard rover]

that just means they're better in casual matchs and are not meta defining tho

[tender root]

you can very easily add a few oc ss which completely block them

[hard rover]

that's just not true

it's like 200+k damage minimum and you have to consider the oc ss makes them worse in alot more ways i think

[tender root]

it is unless you're using a paper ship with MASSIVE rails

[hard rover]

that's what oc rails do all the time though?

and if they don't then they can simply punch through next shot since the armor provides enough endurance

[tender root]

non stacked small shields can tank a 12 accel rail

[hard rover]

12accel also happens to be half what all the oc rails i've seen run but i mean i haven't seen them outside the 1mil tournament in a long time so gimme a sec to look for them and actually check the average accel amount

[tender root]

running more than means your ship will blow up if you look at it wrong

[hard rover]

but that doesn't matter at all because the alternative is you just die either way (because you get outdps'd)

[tender root]

you could probably get to 16 or 17

but you would need to sacrifice a lot

[hard rover]

like what?? 2 max length rails are only 900k

that's like nothing psure tbrails spend more than that on tbs and rails

[tender root]

"only"

[hard rover]

it's railguns 😭

it's like the most expensive modular thing in the game idk what you expect from them

[tender root]

this is what you can afford with max length rails (ship by slowking)

its a very risky ship to play

[hard rover]

this is what i was looking for

but anyways sure it's risky but if you know what you're doing that risk won't bite you back

and i also think it's kind of over done a little you could drop the mines for an emp shell

[white apex]

disagree, 2m is pretty different

1.5m currently is basically 2m+ classic

the only difference is the physical size

which restricts mostly stuff like spinner/swarm

[surreal pecan]

At this point Plaus... Just call it a professional duel.

Best of 197?

[young jacinth]

Its a tournament because thats better for the brand

[surreal pecan]

Hmm.

Good point

[desert sky]

Just after I mention there might always be a statistical bias two person argue with each others that they see their lobbies filled with different things xD

"OC flak and rails are meta!" "No! dc bricks appear a third of the time!"

[keen siren]

...then to say ....tournament context and field of battle determine "meta" and archetypes.

[hard rover]

i mean i didn't say oc rails and oc flak are op because i see them alot

[regal blaze]

@young jacinth are kites allowed?

[young jacinth]

why wouldnt they be lol

[regal blaze]

alr

jcor said they were banned

just checking

[gray halo]

I just accidently made an dc kite

[young jacinth]

@hard rover vs me

[hard rover]

OH SHIT I FORGOR

unstable?

[hard rover]

unstable is the range rebalance right

[young jacinth]

preview

[hard rover]

on it

[regal blaze]

don't see you plaus

[hard rover]

i'm in the lobby now

[young jacinth]

@south tusk @regal blaze

[gray halo]

ok who now?

lets see

[young jacinth]

@gray halo vs me

[gray halo]

ah got it

[young jacinth]

@keen siren @regal blaze

[gray halo]

I lost

[south tusk]

happens

get this

i lost too

[gray halo]

ye but I used dc agains an avoider in 600 range

thats why i lost

(also I had to use less armor to be able to be under 1.5 M)

so ye

[south tusk]

w kite fix from walt

[gray halo]

ye . . .

I think we need to categorise kites as a category cus now eveyrthing can be 1

[south tusk]

ive always thought about it as. rammer,kite,morbiter,spinner

maybe cruiser

[gray halo]

ye but now an orbiter can be a kite too

[south tusk]

korbiter

[gray halo]

orte

[young jacinth]

@gray halo @south tusk

@keen siren @hard rover

[gray halo]

I lost again

I tried to kite a dc wall with a dc wall

(it did work untill I was out of space)

[regal blaze]

mega what should i do against plaus

[gray halo]

avoider against avoider

[regal blaze]

nah

my avoider sucks

and no sensors

[gray halo]

so flak wall

[regal blaze]

no flak wall

[south tusk]

missile morb?

[regal blaze]

might work

will probs run that

[south tusk]

ok gl

[keen siren]

Sorry! reloading game... with lower graphics

[gray halo]

so will I be able to do another round or is it all over cus I forgor

[young jacinth]

turn off fancy particles, lighting and nebulas

[keen siren]

everything should be off

...and it is taking it's time restarting... lol

I can forfiet if it means moving on for you all... game is taking its time restarting

[young jacinth]

ok

@hard rover @south tusk

[keen siren]

k... sorry, I'll try to be more prepared... I think my machine just can't handle the betas

[young jacinth]

@regal blaze vs me

[gray halo]

flaks are not boosted by the sencors :(

[young jacinth]

@regal blaze its bo3

[regal blaze]

oh sorry

[gray halo]

so

I guess Im gone

also lc also dont work but this one is a bug

[young jacinth]

@regal blaze @south tusk

[gray halo]

ye so Im dead dead huh?

[regal blaze]

gg all

[south tusk]

ggs

[lament venture]

pulling up with my ortevoider mispin hybrid

[azure pond]

jo when is the next singel eleminatin tournement

[gilded spindle]

Either at the end of this month or next month, depending on how my schedule works out

[snow seal]

@young jacinth so 100mil, illegal?, 1 ship? (ECs allowed?)

[gray halo]

idk how you want to make a legal 100mil ship

[young jacinth]

not illegal
you cant do multiple ships when all cr have to be touching
whats EC?

[snow seal]

explosive charges

[snow seal]

?

[snow seal]

what if ur ship splits

[gray halo]

if you want to spawn a ship that is big enough to be 100mil it will say "do you really want to spawn an illigal ship" or smthing like that

[snow seal]

with huge ships mod

[gray halo]

ye I know but its still illigal by its size

[gray halo]

I know

its still too big to be flying it on a school lane

[snow seal]

if u filled the 1000x1000 grid with corridor, it would cost 100mil

if u used any functional part, it would be more than 100mil

[gray halo]

ye but still a ship even 500x500 would be half of a km and that aint fitting in traffic

[snow seal]

what are you talking about

you can make a 1000x1000 ship full of corridor and it will cost 100mil and when you go to spawn it into the game when using huge ships mod, it will not give you the popup saying the ship is illegal

[gray halo]

what do you rally want to fly ship this size in a school lane?

[snow seal]

i'm not, the ai is

[gray halo]

fair point

[hard rover]

shoulda added one more lane

[hard rover]

do the crs and bridges have to always be adjacent?

[burnt dust]

@young jacinth will the 100mill be using the built in ai or just right-click on cr

[young jacinth]

Your cr have to touch so that section would be dead. Did you read the rules?
Though I should mandate the useage of bridges to prevent some shenanigans

[young jacinth]

You also please read the rules

@tender root you too

[tender root]

oh ok ty

[snow seal]

i read rules and had questions

a dead section of ship can still shoot stuff..

[gray halo]

f I was making my ship and I just realize that I used ONLY 5,5 MIL

[tulip monolith]

this thing is only 17.5 mill,

[hard rover]

i mean the 100mil ruleset plaus has is just make an ocrail

there is nothing saying you can't have a couple 650accel railguns

and there is almost nothing stopping them

[gray halo]

exept 680 big oc shealds

[hard rover]

well then you wouldn't be able to shoot back

and there is nothing saying i can't also have a million mrts to kite

[gray halo]

you cant destroy me with that cus of smthing called E M P

I just dubled the cost and I cant move it with out making my game almoust crashed

[hard rover]

i can surround my ship with pd

[gray halo]

man even it they where flaks it would still not be enough

[hard rover]

okay oc flak on autofire then

at max range there won;t be any arcing

[gray halo]

try

ai is stupid enough to fall right into my grasp

[hard rover]

you test it out my laptop can't handle it lol

[gray halo]

it is on plausis

he gona get the ships anf fight them on his pc in creative