Tournament Chat

[stone zephyr]

did not see that there

is the distance in meters or kilometers

probably meters

wait so on the save the ships start 50kms away but the ion is only about 33kms

is that intentional?

[white apex]

m

yes

it *should* be ~33km+(2*grid size) but that is too many numbers

[upbeat ridge]

mf wants to code tacit tf

[desert sky]

@young jacinth will the event be cancelled if there few players ?
#1183552229962154024 message

i'd like to join if i get the motivation but i don't want to waste time on a cancelled event

[vocal cloak]

trying to get the AI to ram an orbiter is hard

how is it so hard to ram something that is basically spining in place

im watching the ai pilot the DC ship with tail and its wtf

is it trying to strafe?

[hollow socket]

AI skill issue

[surreal pecan]

If only we could order AI to auto fire thrusters upon spawning, we could make AI railspinners...

[vocal cloak]

like what direction are you trying to turn

this Ai tourney is going to be so frustrating to watch lol

fuck it im doing cruiser thrust

seeing the AI try to use the tail is so dumb

[vocal cloak]

@young jacinth whats the timer for rod

[hazy root]

@young jacinth Can we give you an instruction list, like detonating charges ?

[white apex]

it's just ai in mp

u can't control it

[hazy root]

Oh it's not creative right.

[young jacinth]

No

[young jacinth]

20 min on 1/2 speed

[young jacinth]

Ill do the tourney if at least one player other than me signs up. Since 2 others already signed up the tourney is almost guaranteed to happen.

[desert sky]

nice!

[hazy root]

Rod size ?

[young jacinth]

Normal

[young jacinth]

#1020489415476396043 message Posted all the settings here

[hazy root]

Could you put it on announcements? I'm sure another one will ask the same question soon

[hazy root]

Btw, is the save ready ?

[trim kestrel]

hm nvm just an ad for tourney bot https://discord.com/application-directory/551608985900417024
seems pretty useful tho as it can automatically handle signups, brackets, and even show overall stats like your win/loss ratio

I would definetly reduce the overhead for hosting tournaments here

[snow seal]

is it paid..?

[gilded spindle]

you need to pay for any kind of large server functionality

$9 a month for teams and up to 32 participants

[raven fern]

I took a look at that bot a couple months back and the features it offers are quite nice. Although, considering you can use free software to make your brackets is it worth it?

[trim kestrel]

yeah no probably not

[chilly barn]

when deadline

[white apex]

phase 2 submissions have been closed for ~20 min btw

[chilly barn]

Cool

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1052405232388280451/1185447636422115328/L3.ship.png?ex=658fa525&is=657d3025&hm=59566ecbb8b50ea2fc9ae0afa84935ec8d44b26ee227a5634789ac6f7a020237&
This was mine

@snow seal can you share now

[timid current]

That's very similar to mine

My first submission when the distance was short was a bunch of alpha boosters with a grid-length stick of structure

[snow seal]

SAME

why is urs sideways

[chilly barn]

Not sure tbh

It does go forward tho I think

[chilly barn]

With bunk moved forward too?

[snow seal]

YE

[chilly barn]

No way lol

[snow seal]

%chance for the ion beam to hit sooner

[chilly barn]

I guess there isn't a big difference in possible solutions

[snow seal]

did u add autoram incase the target ship is too close?

it wont be prolly

[chilly barn]

No... I think it's fine

[snow seal]

did u do autoram for the old ship (before rule change?)

[chilly barn]

I didn't even make an old ship lol

[snow seal]

did u think to*

[chilly barn]

Only worked on it yesterday

[chilly barn]

Yeah, or you said smth about it

[snow seal]

i said smtg about it

i want to know how many people were thinking about it

because if the ruleset didnt change i coulda just flat out won

ik 1 person was struggling with this

[stone zephyr]

Mine was effectively the same

I had the stuff moved in different places but I'm pretty sure they'll score almost the same

Me and the boys fighting for first over how air rounds the numbers

[white apex]

yeah, it's going to come down to tick rng

[chilly barn]

oooh so fun I love that

salephz and I have it one block farther forward so we should win right

[stone zephyr]

Probably

But like

[white apex]

tick rng :(

i should've put in the no/reduced drag when i started

would've been more itneresting

[hazy root]

I'll not post mine, you already did

[hazy root]

i did exactly this layout

nobody tried small thruster + cap ? it should win price cat.

[young jacinth]

I did large thruster + cap

[hazy root]

how much caps?

[young jacinth]

3

[hazy root]

oh this one

with the situation you will get a good score

[young jacinth]

What do you mean is it bad?

[hazy root]

no no i found funny when i opened my calc sheet to find it.
no no i'll never laugh at someone else creation

it's good but for price seems that this one is better

[young jacinth]

Sarcasm detected

[hazy root]

no it's not sarcasm

[young jacinth]

Its cut off

Small thuster?

[hazy root]

yes

that was my tests

[young jacinth]

Somehow didnt even consider asymmetrical design because I thought it loses to mich speed

Rip

[hazy root]

no asym

[young jacinth]

Yea Im just stupid xD

[hazy root]

but this was not my subm. so, we will see

[hybrid tulip]

I opted for a fast ship, not a slow and steady one

I still have two crewmember

It goes 170 m/s

[hybrid tulip]

I have more thrust than this ship

[hazy root]

But with 1 ht you already go to 170 ms

[hybrid tulip]

All engine have the same price efficiency

I'm slightly faster than 170 iirc

171.3

I'm slightly heavier

And slightly faster

I tried to add a middle booster but it would just make me slower on the long run and disable thruster on recharge

Basically, if no one is faster than me I win on crew

OH ! I also ramp up faster

[hazy root]

I m not sur to add 2ht for 0.3 m/s is worth. But I tried for overall score and you for speed×crew so it makes sense. Hope for you nobody opted for 3 ht and 1 er because it goes 200+

[hybrid tulip]

It's not ht

They are large thruster

Not huge ones

Is going for 3 HT even doable

You would need a larger reactor

It would go slower in my testing

This is only 168 m/s

And is not sustainable

[hazy root]

Right I thought it was ht

With 1 crew powering your thrusters you don't have power issue ?

[hybrid tulip]

Nope

I needed to make the crew bunk further tho for that

not intuitive

But if the crew bunk was closer

the crew would recharge every thruster once per "cycle"

And lose on travel time

here the crew recharges every thruster twice

Before moving on to the next

Plus the desing was asymetric

[hazy root]

You can make that symetric

[hybrid tulip]

yeah true

still won't fix the unsustain

[snow seal]

can u make sure that ppl with the exact same ships get the same score..?

[chilly barn]

Yeah that would be nice...

[snow seal]

phase3 in ~2 h ??

[white apex]

yep

[white apex]

going to be up to tick rng

it will probably be precise enough that u will all tie, which is why i included the significant figures part

[stone zephyr]

well I wont tie

Im a block shorter than them

[snow seal]

it will most likely not matter

[snow seal]

late?

or 44 more mins

bruh..?

[white apex]

had irl sorry :(

[snow seal]

wtf

[white apex]

math \👍

[snow seal]

but why

higher score or lower score better

[white apex]

higher better

this should scale almost perfectly w/ normal 2:1

so all 2:1s (where each emitter and prism fraction are the same cost/crew/mass) will get the same score

slightly favors smaller ones so infinite cores won't get higher score

ig that wasn't necessary since an infinite core would hit grid size and also range falloff wasn't accounted for

[snow seal]

i think u should change the 1000 in this to 100

less decimals

:)

[stone zephyr]

so wait does having more emmiters make your score higher or lower

ig thats for me to find out

so how do I view ion power in dev mode

[snow seal]

ctrl `

sim

part debugger

components

IonEnergy

[stone zephyr]

thank you

wait ions have a maximum power?

thats funny

I mean it makes sense but also

[white apex]

pretty sure that breaks the formula

[snow seal]

no?

[snow seal]

it's the same as multiplying by 100

[white apex]

o

maybe i should go take math again or not be so late

[snow seal]

damn no flicker start is hard

[snow seal]

whats dumb is that even this can flicker

bc crew rng

[stone zephyr]

yeah its slightly annoying

but it is workable

[snow seal]

that is the most minimal crew assignment and it can still flicker bruhh

fym workable

there is physically nothing u can change with that module

[near robin]

When is the AI tournament going to be?

[vocal cloak]

24

[hybrid tulip]

bro

[hybrid tulip]

Crew quarter placement

[young jacinth]

Submission is til 24th and games will be recorded after

[raven fern]

What will be the starting distance Plaus?

[fast oracle]

hmm weird formula

I guess it's calculated to make the number of emitters irrelevant

I hope so (please air, I hope you did)

I guess a 128:64:32:16:8:4:2:1 core would be very close to optimal

do 11 ions on a reactor sustain for 2 minutes? hmm

if they do, a 32:16:8:4:2:1 would be better

aagh I want to test stuff

[young jacinth]

close

[fast oracle]

I have an ion setup that should work for air even though I'm not participating :P

@white apex what happens if the core flickers

[white apex]

0 points

[fast oracle]

really? lmao

[white apex]

pray that someone else also flickers so u can have 0.5 points ;)

[fast oracle]

I think it could be interesting if you allowed some flickering with a big penalty but sure

[white apex]

maybe next time

rn i'm also ok if the core feeds into your own ship (no real output), but that will probably change next time

[fast oracle]

can I send a core here with very minor flickering that would score very high on your formula? :P

or do I wait

[hazy root]

Luna want kill the turney

[fast oracle]

:D

this doesn't work btw it will flicker

it would work for a real ion ship

meeeh I already know how the winner will be

veeery boring

[hazy root]

Let us find out. It's a tournament, it's fun to try ourself. Don't spoil please.

[fast oracle]

Fine, I won't spoil it

oh god the crew winner is even more boring

[hazy root]

I guess the core in ships has nothing to do with the turney

[fast oracle]

it does but I hope that's not the best core you can build

I have a better one saved

[surreal pecan]

I love this core.

(Well it's so far an emitter setup, but with core it'll look great)

If it can be cored up of course.

[fast oracle]

I really really hope people don't get lazy about this one

[snow seal]

not true

[fast oracle]

as long as they have to go through the reactor to get to their room and they're close enough to the ions, it's fine.

[snow seal]

yeah but rng means that one of the crew might decided to power the other ion

and then the ion it left loses power

and they both power that one

then eventually it autofixes

and then later more rng it happens again

but air says in the rules that flickering is not allowed

[stone zephyr]

Why would this be the case?

[fast oracle]

do the math by yourself :D

[snow seal]

more distance is bad

[stone zephyr]

There's not a set number for the ion power thougy

Like depending on the prism placement it could range from a lot of different values

And assuming the maximum isn't great

[fast oracle]

good point tbh

[snow seal]

also which are u trying to optimize?

crew/price/weight

[fast oracle]

air formula

price

[stone zephyr]

Ah well then yeah more is better

[fast oracle]

crew and weight are very very easy

[snow seal]

price peaks..

weight is easy yeah

crew is easy too

without range falloff, price would not have a peak but it does

[fast oracle]

price should have 3 peaks at 16,64 and 128

32 wastes too much money

[stone zephyr]

Is a power of two always going to be optimal?

[fast oracle]

yes

[white apex]

w/ out falloff i'm pretty sure it would, only because i copied and pasted soemthing wrong in the formula and it penalizes more emitters slightly harder than it should

[fast oracle]

do the math by yourself if you don't trust me

[fast oracle]

yeah, the falloff is very mild

128 cores are still viable

[white apex]

there's an extra ~0.02 in the emitter power iirc

[upbeat ridge]

i wonder how the ol' 64:1-6wl-yare does

[fast oracle]

wl?

[white apex]

wifth?

[upbeat ridge]

6 wide linear core

[fast oracle]

I made a 64 core

I'd say 64 is the best option yeah

I'm not sure if it's better than the obvious 16 setup

might be worse because of range falloff

[stone zephyr]

Wait since the ions only need to last 2 minutes could we just not supply power to the crs

[fast oracle]

Are CRs even needed?

[stone zephyr]

Don't you need crs to autofire

[fast oracle]

no

[white apex]

my greatest fear as tourney host is that discord will automatically change my sharing location to #tournament-announcements (has happened several times already) and i will not notice and post 200 memes in there

it randomly just changes

[near robin]

How much should the ships for the upcoming AI-tournament on the 24th cost? I assume 1.5mil?

[stone zephyr]

Are ships without crs allowed air?

[white apex]

yeah

as long as it does not say the ship is illegal when i load it in creative

[white apex]

yep, 1.5m

[near robin]

Thx

[stone zephyr]

I seem to have encountered the slight issue of prisms not turning to their positions when I don't have a cr

[hazy root]

Do you also have the ion energy flickering in debug mode ?

Forget that. I restarted the core and it doesn't flicker anymore

Is that correct ?
Puissance = power obviously
=(PUISSANCE(($B3/1000),2))/(PUISSANCE($C3,0.651139253)*D3)

[white apex]

looks right to me, but i also have a migraine and spent less than 20 sec

[hazy root]

Can the prisms rotate or it should start directly on the right position ?

[white apex]

wdym

[snow seal]

when u spawn a ship it is facing the built in position

then rotates

[hazy root]

You can create a core that start directly with prisms in the right position.
If you read the value after 2min it has no impact, if you read at start than wait 2mins, I have to create another kind of core

[white apex]

i read value after prisms stop moving and any looped energy exits the system

[upbeat ridge]

sounds like something malicious can brew

[stone zephyr]

How

Anytime I try they just start in their default positions

[hazy root]

Yes, but you can make a core with that but it's not the most compact

[stone zephyr]

Hmm well I think it's probably more optimal to just spend the extra money

Although I'd have to test

[desert sky]

i don't think i have time in the end

might throw a ship together tomorrow

[snow seal]

@white apex can grade sooner so i can decide which metric i want to win

[white apex]

i can maybeee do it tomorrow

[icy oxide]

@young jacinth What the exact rules for upcoming AI tournament?

[young jacinth]

Still didnt manage to put in #tournament-announcements : #1020489415476396043 message

[white apex]

i will not be able to do any grading today or for the next week :( i misplanned the tourney and i have a trip irl

i'm not going to have wifi on the trip either :(

[white apex]

tip for tourney bc i told 1 person: u do not need a control room

[white apex]

next contest (there will be a next contest), everything is going to be planned better
scoring will be quicker (you'll get results before next phase), i won't have irl, it will be more "gamey" and "normal" designs will be les applicable, etc

[timid current]

imo for future contests, the contest should be "power/sustain x number of ion beams/thrusters/literally anything" where x isn't decided by each contestant

and make it weird numbers so that players don't just use already created and optimized modules

i.e. power 6 ion emitters/ 3 ER of 3 HT each/ 3 eight accel railguns

[chilly barn]

possible

the one I have submitted is 2.3 cost, 2.4 crew, 4.8 mass (x 10 ^ a number)

[stone zephyr]

The one I've submitted is better cost, crew, worse mass

[chilly barn]

im going for mass bc that's the onlyt hing I can win

[snow seal]

bruh

[hollow socket]

Jankiest tournament to ever exist, with more unexpected issues than starfield

[white apex]

u do it then lol

i think phase 1 -> phase 2 went mostly smoothly

phase 2 grading could've been quicker and i should've planned my trips better

[hollow socket]

Maybe leave the tournament on standby until January

[white apex]

nah

wouldn't really make a difference

[chilly barn]

I like this tournament and this it was made very well

[hazy root]

I agree, I enjoy it and I've fun to take part

[hazy root]

@white apex could we detonate a charge at the begining ?

[white apex]

still no

[hazy root]

I guess there are no way to rotate prisms without CP ?

[white apex]

no afaik unless u find a nww gamebreaking bug

[white apex]

i'm off to the caribbean, don't break the game w/ out me~

[hazy root]

Enjoy !

[raven fern]

Say hi to Jack Sparrow for me!

[spring fable]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-catjam-cat-pirate-catjam-pirate-cat-gif-21905878

[chilly barn]

when submission deadline end?

[white apex]

8 pm est

it says in the basic doc

[chilly barn]

what even is est

[spring fable]

Eastern standard time iirc

[granite river]

utc-5 if it helps

[white apex]

pretty sure u have ~6 hrs left

[near robin]

Sry, I'm sure this has been answered somewhere, but when will the AI tournament be streamed?

Or will it even be streamed?

[young jacinth]

The plan was to only record it. Since I wont be at home for a while there will be a significant delay. Ill put information about that in the announcement of the next tournament.

[young jacinth]

You think I should?

[near robin]

Nah, I think for this type of tournament a well put together video might actually be superior to a stream, since many people will be away from their PC anyway.

[young jacinth]

Well put together....

We will see about that xD

[livid kelp]

What's this balance mod required for the tournament?

[raven fern]

Wrong tournament. There's no balance mod required for Plaus's

[near robin]

No stress, but I'm curious to when we'll be able to watch the AI tournament.

[icy oxide]

Not only you waiting 😉

[spring fable]

why do all the tourneys have to be at 6 am my time

and also why does my body insist on sleeping until 10

[hollow socket]

Timezones

Could be worse, like 3am instead

[spring fable]

I suppose

[spring fable]

but i doubt i could will myself awake at that time

[surreal pecan]

When is the AI tourney gonna be?

I am so unbelievably out of touch of all things tournament related ever since Sariis left.

[near robin]

Plaus said that he'll be away from home for a few days and we should expect it... next week? If I remember correctly.

[forest cedar]

Real

[surreal pecan]

When is the AI tournament gonna be again?

[hollow socket]

Blazing Excalibur's season 10 of his Ai cosmoteer tournament is almost over

[young jacinth]

Mine? Ill record next week

[surreal pecan]

Alrighty, so I guess I will have time to submit a shippo.

[surreal pecan]

Will the fight be in the pvp arena or battle helper?

If former can we have the pvp details?

[young jacinth]

#1020489415476396043 message

Some say I should have put it in announcements

Id rather repeat it 5 times

[young jacinth]

Do you want to compete? Submissions are already over

[surreal pecan]

Awwww...

That's sad, I would've love to try but whatever.

Super out of touch of tourneys.

[young jacinth]

@raven fern @vocal cloak @hybrid tulip @rain loom @icy oxide @near robin @hazy root

@surreal pecan would like to submit a ship but is to late. Since Im not able to record this week anyways would you be ok with the submission time being extended by 1 week?
1️⃣ for yes
2️⃣ for no
(Or dm me to vote anonymously)

[rain loom]

@young jacinth Hey that build and battle tournament. Is it a 500k battle or using the new game mode that will be in place?

[young jacinth]

The new game mode

500k is the settings that will be used

[rain loom]

Well I will have to try it out before I decide then.

[surreal pecan]

Nice nice, I'll take that as a yes.

@trim anchor Wants to participate too I think.

[young jacinth]

The extension can be used by anyone

[trim anchor]

nah i cant

i would like to but i wont be able to make it

[white apex]

just release .recs for ai tourney when u finish a match

[surreal pecan]

Literally all you need to do is make or not even make, just send Plaus one ship

[desert sky]

well why are coconut and myself not included in the voting?

[young jacinth]

Shit somehow missed you 2

Sorry

You can also vote of course

In my defence I was very distracted when I wrote this

[trim anchor]

like i said in excelsior, im kind of on vacation

and nowhere near my laptop

[young jacinth]

Copy a ship you posted

[trim anchor]

.

lemme see

an older version of my ion orbiter?

or my avoider, also outdated version

deadass these are like the only 2 i can find

maybe i come next tournament prepared?

[surreal pecan]

DM them to him

[young jacinth]

In a zip so I cant see the ship...

[desert sky]

are you taking part in your own tournament?

hmmm makes sense to the ZIP thingy
my original submission had the raw file which i removed after checking the rules (had the side effect of giving you two ping btw i'm sorry for that)

[granite river]

plaus wins his own tournament: the sequel

[young jacinth]

Yes

Ah dont think that I saw the original

[granite river]

the 500k tourney?

[young jacinth]

Was refereng to xsnows message lol

[granite river]

ah

[spring fable]

I would have won the second 500k tourney but i was busy sleeping

[granite river]

my frickin lock failed on me so i went out first round lmao

[spring fable]

that sucks loll

[near robin]

Oh the surprise;)

[chilly barn]

I uploaded this ship

[hazy root]

Mine was a 32 emitters without CR

[timid current]

Mine was like half of this, one emitter and a prism

[snow seal]

i was about to ping cgt and tell him that someone had the same ship

[stone zephyr]

I uploaded a 16ion design, with cr

Lemme go find ot

According to my spreadsheet this got good Mass and crew score but sacced the cost score heavily

[stone zephyr]

That core must look wild

[short tartan]

thats too many reactors, could run it off of two

[stone zephyr]

I know

I sacrifices cost for a better crew score

And slightly better mass score

I had many designs of lots of different variants including mixes of cost optimization vs crew optimization and eventually landed on 16 beams with that config

[snow seal]

when grading 😭

[snow seal]

what stats does this have

[stone zephyr]

Good question, don't have access to my laptop till Sunday cause out of towm

The excel sheet was just saved to my laptop as well so I can't look at it 💀

I'll see if I can download the ship file from my dm with air onto my phome

Off the top of my head it scored .28 cost (actual score times 10,000 so i could look at ot easier), crew was like .31 or smth and mass was .40

Those could be wildly off though

[hazy root]

look that

[hard rover]

magnificent

[near robin]

Old msg, but no it can't. I always use this and it never flickers.

[fast oracle]

hmmm

I think 16 would be a bit better than 32

[hazy root]

In my tests not because you can't make the core compact like that

[fast oracle]

you absolutely can

with that exact same setup of emitters

[hazy root]

But it's worse in numbers

[fast oracle]

don't use another setup

16 will get less range penalty

[hazy root]

But that setup only works with emitters in 4 directions

[fast oracle]

nope

I really really hope this setup doesn't win

a 64 or 128 ion setup deserves to win the cost category

I'll be very disappointed if this wins

[hazy root]

Hmmmm let me try because at one point you have to go to a single prism and with that setup I don't see how

Problem I see is to regroup to a center prism without redirection prism

[hazy root]

It was a previous version. I'll share it because I find the shape fun and has a low distance between prisms

[snow seal]

i had a better 32 design but 16 is always better than 32

[hazy root]

Would you share it ?

[snow seal]

when i get home

in

7 hours

or maybe 8

damn i sure hope i didnt override that one

[hazy root]

But it was not your final submission? Did you go for 16 emitters?

[snow seal]

i had 3 submissions with dependencies

1 was the same as cgt

1 was 8

and last was 16

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082723597962973255/1186179622078009414/Optimal-Phase3.ship.png?ex=659b895c&is=6589145c&hm=dbce4f56e082f3da76020e183336e111211996859be2283ec12de2f7c1b86275&

thats the one i probably submit

[stone zephyr]

That's really smart, beats mine out on crew and mass by a long shot

I didn't consider a diag design

[snow seal]

the actual output is a bit weaker tho

more distance compared to a linear design

also i hope u guys with crs didnt have dedicated cr crew

bc thats actually stupid

[stone zephyr]

Do they not need to be on 💀

Probably should've tested it

It is what it is though

[snow seal]

u need them on to rotate prisms

but prisms cant rotate if they are off

[stone zephyr]

So you do need crew for crs

[snow seal]

so u just need them on for 5 secs

[stone zephyr]

Right

Oooh

[snow seal]

then the cr crew become power crew

[stone zephyr]

Riiiiight

Smart

[snow seal]

@-@

[stone zephyr]

I just slapped an extra 2 crew for my 2 cra

Cra

Crs

Wait how do you get the crew to only operate them for 5 seconds?

Or however long jt takes the prisms

[snow seal]

prios

higher prio to power ion than operate cockpit

[stone zephyr]

Then why do they ever operate the cockpit

Oh wait duh

Cause ions start eith power

[snow seal]

oh it has 6 extra crew bc i was lazy

[hazy root]

From my tests, the 32 emitters variant has a better score

I tested the ships posted and got those results

[snow seal]

my power is not

82

unless smtg is wrong with my ship

didnt pair prisms correctly

ohno..

o- wait i alr fixed that

[hazy root]

It was not what you submitted ?

[snow seal]

no i grabbed a random link i posted to myself

[hazy root]

With a fixed version

[white apex]

i have service again \🎉

why build and battle release while i was away :(

[hard rover]

b&b came too quick for ya ig

[hybrid tulip]

I went for a 8 ion setup

basically the most efficient I could run on 1 reactor

No point in getting diminushing returns for more prisms

With 5 k per prism Better use less of them

because 15 prism is one large reactor

[fast oracle]

the formula accounts for the diminishing returns

the problem with 8 ions is that you need redirection prisms

or a lot of crew I guess

[white apex]

more scores coming when migraine goes away (probably)

[hybrid tulip]

That's true... I still think it wins cost tho

[fast oracle]

I doubt it

I think a 16:1 will win

but I really hope a 64:1 wins

[hybrid tulip]

64:1 I probably going to win crew, because that many redirection prisms will take up a lot of price

[fast oracle]

no

[hybrid tulip]

not redirection, combination

[fast oracle]

a 4:2:1 will win crew

and weight probably too

[hybrid tulip]

we'll see

[fast oracle]

maybe a weird 16:1 wins the crew

and weight

[hazy root]

Seems the case from the scores. The 16 emitters has better score for crews and weight.

[young jacinth]

You dont?

[fast oracle]

*with one reactor and with decent crew setups

[young jacinth]

Guess my crew setup isnt decent then

[fast oracle]

what's the distance from the reactor to the farthest ion

[young jacinth]

thats my ship

from my testing it was better than 16 ions

[fast oracle]

this won't win any category

[young jacinth]

but I probably just didnt optimize it well enough

[young jacinth]

whats the cost winner?

[fast oracle]

my bet is a 16:1 with 2 reactors but we don't know yet

[young jacinth]

that performed worse for me

[young jacinth]

but then again...

[hazy root]

here you go

[young jacinth]

The last one is cost right?

[fast oracle]

plaus is winning credits with that one?

[young jacinth]

Told you

xD

[hazy root]

yes

[fast oracle]

how is salephs

[hazy root]

but he has another 8 emitters, didn't shared at the moment

[fast oracle]

but where are the ships

[fast oracle]

can i see yours

[hazy root]

Salephz: #1020489415476396043 message
Mine: #1020489415476396043 message

I gone for overall

[hazy root]

For info the 16 emitters ship of salephz had an issue I fixed it after his messages and used the fixed version in the table

I know but I will not post his ship again, maybe he removed the image on purpose

[fast oracle]

hmmmmmm

[hazy root]

It was not his submission to air

It was a diagonal 2 LRs with CRs

[fast oracle]

I'm pretty sure this is better than plaus submission

[hazy root]

His is more compact

[fast oracle]

falloff shouldn't affect that much

[hazy root]

Do you have the ship file so I can add it to the sheet ?

[fast oracle]

not here

I'll send it in a few hours

[fast oracle]

it's much cheaper per ion

it's not even fully optimised but it has to be better

[hazy root]

But now I see that the 32 emitters is dead in all categories

[fast oracle]

yeah 32 is bad because it needs to use 4 reactors

64 is better because it can use 7 reactors instead of 8

increasing the ion/reactor ratio

128 uses 13 reactors

it's the best case

[hazy root]

But 32 seemed the better to not have CR

I'll try in 30m

[fast oracle]

nice

feel free to add 2 small crs and 2 crew to the cost if that was required

[hazy root]

CRs were required. I added 2 crs and played with crew priorities to make it works

[fast oracle]

how is this worse

I don't understand

[fast oracle]

this does not have crs

[hybrid tulip]

That's almost what I did and I realise I made a tiny mistake

[young jacinth]

Why should it?

[fast oracle]

.

[fast oracle]

.

i don't know the rules idk

but if we want to compare them we should compare them in the same conditions idk

[young jacinth]

Pretty sure air said its ok

[young jacinth]

You dont need the cr if you dont aim the prisms

[fast oracle]

ugh

do I have to tweak prisms to avoid aim

[young jacinth]

yes xD

[fast oracle]

fine

[hazy root]

That's one of the reason I gone for 32 emitters, you don't need to aim prisms.

Possible with 16 but this is worse without crs than with (or I couldn't find a way to make the core compact)

[fast oracle]

yeah 32 is better with this stupid rule

pfffffffffff

the thing is

why is night worse than plaus then

[desert sky]

because plaus is built different

[hazy root]

But only in term of credits, everything else is worse

[fast oracle]

this is terrible I hate this so much

stupid rule disallowing diagonal aim

[hazy root]

Not disallowing, look salephz has a really good score with his diag ship

[stone zephyr]

My ship uses crs and has a really good crew score

I saccsd cost score but got a great crew score and ok Mass score

[snow seal]

it does

[snow seal]

no changes 😮‍💨

[hollow socket]

that's fine

only the best tournaments last the longest

had a BSC tournament and it lasted about 5, 6 months

[snow seal]

bsc?

[young jacinth]

surprise stream announcement: gonna stream the ai tourney rn on yt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvYHPRoboEw

[surreal pecan]

Nice, but it isn't dezember anymore.

[hollow socket]

Base Ship Commander

[desert sky]

@young jacinth why i am running 400k under ships

erk i don't like the format

[young jacinth]

you submitted it...

[desert sky]

it's supposed to be a 7 ship swarm not 5 >:(

[young jacinth]

you submitted the singular one sorry

[desert sky]

what a scam

[hazy root]

Thx Plaus for the turney, fun ships present, nice comments, I liked it !

I share my ship file now the turney is done.

[gilded spindle]

That’s the point of the quotation marks

[icy oxide]

Seems my tests was right and this is one of the best AI meta ☄️

[hazy root]

It is brilliant 👏

[icy oxide]

Thanks!

[livid kelp]

That 9 DC ship design with flaks and PD is neat!

[raven fern]

@icy oxide Congrats on winning the tournament!

[vocal cloak]

stupid ai thing

[raven fern]

I was surprised to see how the A.I reacted with the ROD

[icy oxide]

Yea, it does very dumb genius things

[livid kelp]

Very cool, i wonder how it would fare in a human tournament

[vocal cloak]

i would do a complete rework before i would considering running it v human

[surreal pecan]

I love how yours looks Immortal.

[livid kelp]

It's a long time i don't play, but i would love to! Still getting familiar with the new meta (i used to play the legacy version)

[surreal pecan]

Anyways here's mine.

I HEAVILY underestimated the amount of missile kites there'd be in this tournament, it's honestly mental.

To be fair, they are the best types of kites.

[raven fern]

Good range, no need for aiming, probably the most reliable choice for an A.I battle

[vocal cloak]

hence why i did whatever i did with that DC rammer

although i did not consider mines

[raven fern]

Tournament Leaderboard for those interested in the final results

[hazy root]

It definitively don't fear mines

[surreal pecan]

But oh boy it should.

[surreal pecan]

AND ME AND GAMEKNIGHT SHOULD SPLIT ALL THE CREDIT FOR BEING THE FIRST ONES TO DISCOVER THEIR UNADULTERATED POTENTIAL

[icy oxide]

Seems someone is burn 🔥

[surreal pecan]

Can confirm, I am burn

🗣️🔥🔥🧯

[vocal cloak]

what is TB btw?

[young jacinth]

I dont even know xD

[desert sky]

i cannot watch the tournament because youtube is awful at managing connection
but i bet if i lost it's because i ran with 400k disavantage on everyone!/j

[rain loom]

Oh baby I wonder what ships were defeated by my awfully old orbiter? I wasn't expecting to win anything

Btw the Plaus winning his tournaments theory has been crushed.

[chilly barn]

but oneye was playing them before you?

[hybrid tulip]

I'M THIRD ????

omgg

How tf did my timeborn hold up

No armor

Massive

Oh

I guess the propulsion is armor

[surreal pecan]

Missile kite op :ppp

The only people who did better were ones that were using missile kites with our lord and savior MINE

Oh wait nevermind, blaze is there too.

[hybrid tulip]

My ship is still pretty bad

I mean, one poor layer of armor

maybe two

no pd

no shield

2 lc when you probably need only one

It's bad every way you look at it

114m/s

only upside

[raven fern]

Nuke bias here <--😝

[hybrid tulip]

Nukes are really good against ai

A proper bomber could have won I think

[near robin]

Oh, the AI tournament finally aired? Where can I watch it?
EDIT: Nvm, found it on Plaus' channel.

[young jacinth]

Forgot to ask in the anouncment:
@raven fern @vocal cloak @desert sky @trim anchor @hybrid tulip @rain loom @icy oxide @near robin @hazy root @surreal pecan
Are you ok with your ship being posted? (Many of you already did)

[hazy root]

Absolutely yes

[hollow socket]

Hmmm

[desert sky]

it's flawed outdated & was running underpriced so while i posted it in exelsior already i'd prefer to keep my shame
why do you want to post it?

[young jacinth]

For people who would like a closer look and just for archival reasons (one person already asked for the files). There is no shame in submitting an unoptimized build as you participated which many didnt at all (and you didnt even perform poorly for that).
But I understand if you dont want it submitted.

[trim anchor]

yes, im fine w it

[near robin]

Yes. I was gonna post it anyway, so I have no problem if you post it along with most of the others.

[desert sky]

i did perform poorly though

[near robin]

Your ship still was interesting, so people might wanna take a look.

[desert sky]

veto on my end

[vocal cloak]

Sure

[hybrid tulip]

yeah

[surreal pecan]

Posted where, this channel?

Sure.

[young jacinth]

Id attach it in the anouncment in #tournament-announcements

[raven fern]

Sure

[rain loom]

I am good.

[near robin]

I don't see them. Are they up already?

[young jacinth]

No

Probably tomorrow...

[white apex]

champion role????

[gilded spindle]

yea

if you read the whole thing you may see the reason

[white apex]

read whole thing, don't see reason

i thought champion was only for official tournies

[gilded spindle]

"This tournament isn't official as it's being treated as a test-bed for future events."

Walt agreed that the champion role be given as reward for winning the tournament

And I think I misinterpreted your question, thought you thought that being the only reward to be too little

[near robin]

cool

[vocal cloak]

1am rip

[short tartan]

@gilded spindle the dates in the doc and message dont match

[vocal cloak]

Slowking i beg of you make it 1 hour earlier pls

[desert sky]

to quote quiximo himself
"<#1059084974655033415 message>"

[desert sky]

@gilded spindle checking the rules i have a question about clarification

"Collaborations, or ships made by multiple players are allowed"
"Built-in ships are allowed"
"Steam Workshop ships are allowed"```
do that mean using a ship fully built by (an)other(s) player that does not feature on the steam workshop nor in the build-ins list make you disqualified even with explicit permission from the author(s) ?

[young jacinth]

Wait was using workshop ships allowed in the past?

[desert sky]

the build-ins and workshop close wasent mentionned iirc

[vocal cloak]

Hmm would be funny to see some pink bricks flying around

[stray rampart]

Hii hi, I was wanting to try and join the tournament. Even if it's just a learning experience. Would that be okayy?
I'm also still trying to design a vessel for this and player versus player in general.

[young jacinth]

Of course! Newer players are especially welcome.

[fast oracle]

you're more than welcome to participate. I recommend you to practice in the casual elim matches and ask around in #ships and excelsior for advice on ship design and piloting

[stray rampart]

Yeee, I think I have the number of nukes I want to use on each side already, but I'd have to ask to check the number again.

Plaus, I think I was a little bit of elimination matches with you. How many nukes did that design have that I was given have?

I think Xsnow was there for a couple tppp

And I can't type

[desert sky]

idk i don't count nukes beyond a point

that thing so beffy i'm just like "don't get hit by death"

[stray rampart]

I be actually already posting my VERY work in progress design on the Excelsior Discord.

[stray rampart]

That's sooo valid.

I replied to the wrong message, aaaaa

[desert sky]

the difference between four and five is massive (see Edelweiss flower versus Nion) but 16 or 20 is.. less visible especially on fragile ships like i love to play

[stray rampart]

I think I need a group of 5 nukes on each side to be able to get through heavy shielding.

But I wanted to check if I was using a group of 6 instead.

[vocal cloak]

I wonder if a completely blind tourney is viable, no idea who joined,no clue who you are fighting, only can figure it out based on their ship

Seems like a pain to set up

[fast oracle]

i would not recommend starting with an UL nuker but it's definitely a solid choice if you can pilot it

rammers are easier to pilot and effective build an ion rammer build an ion rammer join us build an ion rammer

[granite river]

build an ion rammer they’re tasty 😋

[desert sky]

i would recommend starting with an UL if you want to

[white apex]

"start with" "ul" ????

[desert sky]

anything that would please you to see in any match actually
I.E. antithesis & me started with an avoider

[white apex]

actually ig there is no noob friendly archetype now

[desert sky]

and now i play traps and swarm alot and i have a lot of fun

[white apex]

maybe missile barge? learn logistics

or traps for piloting

[granite river]

morbiter???

[desert sky]

people shouldn't be dragged down upon being forced to learn sometimes simple just because they don't have much experience
heck that the main argument against modern western schooling system

[vocal cloak]

A trap? For new players? are you having a laugh?

[desert sky]

it's not because you cannot work your brain piloting more than one ship nobody can//

[white apex]

that's how i learned lol

[white apex]

get good at rts or keep losing

i learned w/ solo squib -> traps -> swarms -> orbi swarms -> m orbi

[white apex]

it is easier to learn to play wheb u can at least win 1 or 2 matches imo

[vocal cloak]

You said rts is bugged, why would you want to make a new player deal with that?

[white apex]

rts not bugged, rts just bad now :(

[desert sky]

rts is litterally bugged since 0.24.3 i've sent multiple fix request

[white apex]

o i see

[desert sky]

because i'm dealing with it.

[upbeat ridge]

both

[gilded spindle]

you’d need permission to use somebody else’s ship, though I don’t know why you would

Waking up to clarify rules isn’t the best idea

[young jacinth]

7 per side currently is the optimal in my opinion. My 200 speed ul nuke only has 5 per side and often runs into ammo issues because of that. If you have unshielded sides you can go for 8 or 9 but I would not recommend it.

[stray rampart]

I currently have 7 per side with 2 large shields on each side. I still need to do the front of the silly vessel.

[young jacinth]

Whats the ship selction process for the tourney? Is it just good old counterpicking until the players stop?

[raven fern]

Ship preview is turned off

[young jacinth]

must have overread that thanks

Guess I should have checked the settings

@gilded spindle no high asteroid density?

Hm I thought past official tournaments had that

I guess saris only did that for regular duells?

[raven fern]

One of the reasons for not using high asteroid density in previous tournaments was to reduce lag

[young jacinth]

Would make for a healthier meta in my opinion but thats a valid reason

[raven fern]

It seems to just favor certain archetypes more than others. The same goes for fewer asteroids

[stray rampart]

I'm guessing railgun vessels are better when there are fewer asteroids?

[raven fern]

That would be the case for railkites. TB rails are more meta and aren't affected quite as much

[young jacinth]

Especially railkites

and players tend to not like railkites

[granite river]

dezember xp

[young jacinth]

Yes

[young jacinth]

I cant even write in German so my English is even worse

[raven fern]

Don't worry, your spelling is probably better than a lot of native english speakers 😅

[granite river]

I can second this, there are a shocking amount of usa ppl who cannot spell something simple like “appreciate”

[young jacinth]

thats why I use correction tools

[surreal pecan]

That is... Very true.

Like half the players are from Germany I think?

The largest amount of sales have been from Germany, which is very peculiar, I wonder why.

[raven fern]

French & German are tied for 2nd/3rd

[fast oracle]

there's a lot of germans on the internet

[fast oracle]

this misrepresents a lot of people like me

i have the game in english

[young jacinth]

There is also a popular german youtuber who made a few videos on it when it came out

[surreal pecan]

If I recall correctly according to Walt Germans were the first place at some point.

[normal root]

that's 2018 data https://oldwiki.cosmoteer.net/index.php/Community_Surveys

[normal root]

in 2017 (see link above) 3/4 of the cosmoteer players (who answered the survey) were french

[raven fern]

If we could get data for 2023 there would still be a vast majority of US players anyway.

[raven fern]

Walt was surprised by how many german players there were but they were never 1st. At least not from what I'm able to see from past reports

[normal root]

#ask-walt message
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368422988753928193/1090359667953250364/image.png?ex=65a6db92&is=65946692&hm=ca50f376ce31c89ed3fab99ca1adf7e06cf7fe6b4699d8f1ba51ff6772469c0a&
(march 2023 data) the game sold almost as much in germany as in the usa but sold more in germany than the usa before

[raven fern]

I stand corrected

[surreal pecan]

:>

[hybrid tulip]

OF COURSE the germans appreciate quality content about engineering :3

I'm proud of our neighbours

(I'm french)

[surreal pecan]

Lol that is true.

[hybrid tulip]

Damn we're going to be 4 or 5 for build and battle

[young jacinth]

Yea I guess we are not doing the swiss format

[young jacinth]

@queen aspen can you make it?

[icy oxide]

@young jacinth No yt stream for b&b tournament?

[young jacinth]

there will be one

[young jacinth]

Okay will just do a double elimination bracket and ill participate too

[hybrid tulip]

Will we go in vocal for the tournament

[young jacinth]

You want to help cast? xD

[hybrid tulip]

I'm a player but sure

I'll be recording anyways ahah

It's time

[young jacinth]

@rain loom

password is chess

uhm

I guess @gilded spindle instead

[rain loom]

Hey sorry I was having some internet issues. Just got it up and running.

[young jacinth]

torunament stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSPuI_MLuXU

[gilded spindle]

hi?

yikes sorry

slept in badly

[young jacinth]

you can still join xD

[gilded spindle]

who do I play

[young jacinth]

first match still going on

[gilded spindle]

45 minutes lmao

can you put my match back a little so I can get food?

max 10/15 mins

[young jacinth]

uhm thats not really possible xD

[gilded spindle]

eh

well I'm here now

[gilded spindle]

going missing again, another like 10 mins

[snow seal]

agony

[gilded spindle]

back again

[young jacinth]

@gilded spindle

[young jacinth]

@gilded spindle vs @hybrid tulip

[young jacinth]

@rain loom

[surreal pecan]

For goodness' sake Plaus it isn't even Dezember at this point.

[vocal cloak]

@rain loom comeback

[hazy brook]

it will be dezember all the way into july because dezember op

[surreal pecan]

Can't argue with facts.

[hybrid holly]

I intend on hosting 2v2 tournament towards the end of February (17th/24th). Let me know what kind of setting you'd prefer

1️⃣ 2v2 Combiner tournament

2️⃣ 2v2 Elimination, players on the same team cannot use the same weapons

3️⃣ 2v2 Build battle

Poll by blaze580 · Jan 8, 2024, 11:47 PM

[white apex]

wdym combiner

[raven fern]

Both players play half a ship which combines into a single vessel that they both pilot. Something like these ships below.
@naive lion @surreal pecan Have a couple other none locking variants that use hooks or a structure cage if you'd like to see some of those.

[white apex]

yeah but what if it's just 1 part push another

and also, how to tell if seperation is purposeful

[raven fern]

That's a possibility, the ion combiner above is exactly that.
What do you mean by purposeful separation? As in what happens if both players just play their halves as single ships?

[white apex]

yep

or it detaches in combat

[raven fern]

I see this going two ways:

• Introducing a simple rule which says that players have 1 min to combine at the start of the battle. If at any point their ship separates they'll have 15 secs to combine again or else they'll be forced to forfeit.

• Players submit their ships in advance and it's up to my interpretation to determine if they were designed to function separately just as well. In such a case they'd have to send a new ship(s)

Feel free to share an alternative.

[white apex]

i do not think having "combiner" as a format will work

what if they have a combiner trap

as in each player has 2 parts and they combine w/ each other

or a combiner + squib

[raven fern]

Easy fix, those aren't allowed. Players must combine into a single ship, no more

[white apex]

why have combiner competition when illegal 3m ship is functionally mostly the same

[raven fern]

It offers a different kind of approach to ship building and requires team synergy. Multiple players were interested in it which is why it's in the list of options for the next tournament

[short tartan]

honestly I really would love to do the 2v2 elim

especially with different weapon types being required

because it has the effect of having to use ships that can synergize well together in a known format

[granite river]

I like the combiner tournament idea because for many players it will also be a building challenge since combiners are much less common (to my knowledge at least), just seems it'd bring something else new to the table

[surreal pecan]

YAAAY FORCING THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO LEARN COMBINERS :D

I love you Blaze.

[granite river]

I've never built a combiner but they seem like a lot of fun

[timid current]

Sounds cool, but I doubt many people will learn how to make combining ships for it

So it'll end up with a relatively small number of participants

[granite river]

It already has more votes than either of the other options so there will at least be some

[timid current]

true

Assuming most of the 5 people that voted for it will be available

[granite river]

Personally, I really like how combiners encourage multiple people to micro the same ship, could allow for some really interesting tech but is also greatly needed for microing the larger ships

[timid current]

agreed, I love watching combiners as well

[granite river]

I'm aware this is technically possible without combiners but multiple people can enter direct control with them which is not possible without

[timid current]

I just think that forcing them will make an unintentional barrier to entry

That most people won't bother trying to overcome

Option 2 still allows the use of combiners

[granite river]

I suppose there's an argument to be made there but I find combiners a lot more interesting, it just seems like a less explored style of building and play

[stone zephyr]

Me omw to join my first tourney in months

The slight issue is that I'm getting my wisdom teeth out on the 16th but like, it can't affect me that much

Surely

[hazy root]

What about optimization turney?

[white apex]

grading soon™️

most timely host award goes to me

[granite river]

unoptimal time management smh

[white apex]

i'm having like 7 years of cosmoteer burnout catch up w/ me :( might be a while

[hard rover]

lmao

hope you recover soon

[granite river]

Aw :( please take your time then

[snow seal]

no changes T^T

[upbeat ridge]

🔥

[raven fern]

@gilded spindle Regarding the elimination tournament, are you allowing the exploit which makes it impossible for your opponent to target parts on your ship while using PIP?

[gilded spindle]

No, that in my opinion is unsportsmanlike

[upbeat ridge]

gg

no diagonal ships ig

[gilded spindle]

diags sure, not linear ships built upside down to intentionally use the exploit

Rephrasing; don't use it intentionally

[upbeat ridge]

plaus l ig

[young jacinth]

Oh yea i forgot that like 1/2 my ships are upside down

guess I should fix that

[young jacinth]

@gilded spindle is the mod that makes mines more visible allowed?

[gilded spindle]

genuinely didnt know that existed

and I can't enforce that so easily

[white apex]

client side visibility mods r unenforcable

but it would be good to make them all public in the document

[short tartan]

link please?

[young jacinth]

On the workshop: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2928395711&searchtext=suggestion

[short tartan]

ah ty

[stray rampart]

I had a question, are we making the vessel on the day. Or bringing designs we have already made?

[young jacinth]

you bring the stuff you made

[stray rampart]

Okieee, I think my little nuke vessel could do with a little bit of tender love and care before then.

[short tartan]

is the tournament gonna be streamed?

[hollow socket]

maybe

[short tartan]

@gilded spindle

[gilded spindle]

yes, it will be

[short tartan]

oki

[short tartan]

link to channel?

[surreal pecan]

Could we maybe make a communal tourney stream channel?

I suppose if it ever was to get monetizable it could turn into anarchy, but it sounds like a fun concept.

[hard rover]

money goes to walt or something idk, i'd say the host should get paid for the stream an amount depending on views

[surreal pecan]

And he can advertise :>

[desert sky]

don't forget to set your alarm up for next week!

[gilded spindle]

will be linked on the day

[short tartan]

alr I think I found it

[desert sky]

#1198085850223878246 message
now i'll just hope the update come out before the tournament

[young jacinth]

Nice

[young jacinth]

@stray rampart so will you be able to participate today?

[hollow socket]

Something is happening today?

[young jacinth]

bnb tourney

you wanna participate?

xD

[hollow socket]

Sure

Not much else to do today

[young jacinth]

lol nice

#1194359296020987924 message hurts every time

[hollow socket]

When's it starting

[young jacinth]

30 min

[hollow socket]

Does that mean I'm technically late to join? Usually it's like a 1 hour limit before things start

[young jacinth]

yes you are late

but doesnt matter

havent started preparing anyways

[hollow socket]

Alright

I didn't even know a tournament was happening today

[hollow socket]

Fifteen minutes

[young jacinth]

@hollow socket btw what nickname do you prefer?

[hollow socket]

Nickname?

[young jacinth]

Yea for me to put in the bracket/use in my cast

[hollow socket]

The same one Saris used I guess

[young jacinth]

what was that?

[hybrid tulip]

I'll be streaming and recording the tournament in french

A friend will be watching my stream and commentating with me

In french

[young jacinth]

nice

[hybrid tulip]

I'll just need to stay in the lobby to spectate, I won't be in the same discord vc as you guys

[young jacinth]

as long as you do not lag thats fine

[hollow socket]

He used " TerraTron " for the tournaments

[young jacinth]

ah ok

[hollow socket]

We have one minute before starting

[young jacinth]

0

[hollow socket]

Who's going first

[young jacinth]

This is the bracket

[hollow socket]

Ah, so I'll be going first then

Is it an elimination match?

[young jacinth]

build battle

[hollow socket]

Alright

[stray rampart]

I just woke back up.
My internets is still a little unstable. If I could reconnect after losing connection I'd play.

[hybrid tulip]

I am ready

[hollow socket]

Hmmm

[hybrid tulip]

Can't find any game

is that normal

[hard rover]

are you on rc?

[hybrid tulip]

Ohhh

Yeah

[hollow socket]

We're in PvP lobby - 9AK

[young jacinth]

the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIDiFJGlnAA
the password is chess
sorry for the delay

[hollow socket]

Hm

[hybrid tulip]

Wait a sec please

[surreal pecan]

Wow it's the first time I've ever seen this channel used.

[young jacinth]

new bracket:

[young jacinth]

@stray rampart

@hollow socket doing your match first

are you playing?

doing another match first

[stray rampart]

Computer be loading, aaaaa. But I'm very likely to lose connection while playing.

[young jacinth]

we can try if you want?