Tournament Chat

[desert hornet]

ok so if i understand it correctly you can make your ship as fast as you want for the sun challenge, right?

[white apex]

i'm not sure why everyone is so obsessed with reaching the sun edge

[white apex]

yes

[hard rover]

it's not even efficient

[hard rover]

also because you allowed this i'm going to torture you with 3m/s

side thrust is cheaper all direction thrust

[hybrid tulip]

You're right, it's not very cost efficient

But we're not necessarly going for cost, remember

[hard rover]

not crew, weight or cost efficient

[hybrid tulip]

It's very crew efficient

[hard rover]

not really

[hybrid tulip]

and weight

[hard rover]

heavier aswell

[hybrid tulip]

the distance makes up for it

[hard rover]

unless you use the same amount of shields and crew nope

distance isn't really big enough for that

they're pretty close though

[hybrid tulip]

I won't leak my ship's stat, but from personal testing I reached... 0.8 crew/km, and 7.34 t/km

I think that's pretty good

[hard rover]

i've reached like 0.005 crew per meter with 2 shields lr setup

32kg per meter

[hybrid tulip]

0.8/1000 is like 0.0008 crew per meter

[hard rover]

0.8/km how??

[hybrid tulip]

Divide by a thousand

to get per meter

[hard rover]

isn't the entire sun radius like 3km to center

[hybrid tulip]

Nah it's further it's almost 5km

[hard rover]

then i probably did my calcs wrong

[hybrid tulip]

yeah

[hard rover]

nope

i did mine correctly

the distance is 2.22 kms to the sun's surface

[hybrid tulip]

Did you use air's map

[desert hornet]

pretty sure its 7.5km

[hybrid tulip]

he has a larger sun

[hard rover]

oh that makes sense

i've been using a normal sun

[hybrid tulip]

Ahah

Try with his map

[desert hornet]

7.5km, yup

[hybrid tulip]

Normal sun

[desert hornet]

nope air's

[hybrid tulip]

Then you've miscalculated it, I've had ships reach 4.98 km from the center

[desert hornet]

7.5 exclouding center i mean

[hard rover]

if the distance is 5kms

then 2shields lr is better

[hybrid tulip]

Ah yes

[hybrid tulip]

You're absolutly right

7.5 km is the maximum distance to cover

sorry

[hybrid tulip]

Not for price

[hard rover]

probably is for price

[hybrid tulip]

I've had more cost efficient ships than 2shields lr

nope

[hard rover]

cost per meter is probably better

[hybrid tulip]

It's waaay worse for price than cheaper ships

I've had a capacitor ship being 15% more efficient for price/km

So touching sun is not the way to go for price

[hard rover]

at that point a cockpit with a tb strapped to the front is more cost efficient

[hybrid tulip]

Nah

[hard rover]

tb because it has high hp

per part

[hybrid tulip]

Large cannon is more efficient in that regard having 21k/3 front tiles over 25k/4 front tiles. While also being way cheaper

WHY AM I HELPING YOU GUYSSS LMAO

I forgot this was a damn contest

[hard rover]

i'm talking per part not per credit

technically cgs are also good

hmm i can easily go into 1.60km with basically no crew

2kms in with only 40k

2crew

57.2 tonnes

0.001 crew per meter

20 credits per meter

28.6 kilos per meter

holy moly this is efficient

i'm calling this method the heatshield

now everyone has to refer to it as the heatshield method

@white apex will you start ships boosted?

[white apex]

yes

they will not get reboosted though

[hard rover]

alright

i wish if structure didn't count as parts

[white apex]

wait

genius plan

[hard rover]

structure armro

[white apex]

use a chaingun and just fly into the sun as fast as possible with no shields

[hard rover]

apparently cg has no resist to sun damage iirc

[white apex]

o

[desert hornet]

i dont think boosts are very good

[hard rover]

still just a worse version of large cannons

[hard rover]

yeah it melts too quickly

i mean if it did it would've been practically immortal

[desert hornet]

damn ive just thought of some shenanigains

[hard rover]

use lcs as heat shields

or tbs as heatshields depending on your goal

[desert hornet]

my idea doesnt work because you cant explode ECs

[desert hornet]

lcs are better

[hard rover]

lcs better can confrim

cheaper, lighter, less hp though

[desert hornet]

smaller

[white apex]

hp/surface area is what matters

mostly

[hard rover]

yeah

ht with lc can go 2.16 km deep

only 27k

2crew

29.3 tonnes

not using shields because they're bugged and i can't bother updating the game or something

wait it's slowk's birthday today?

[white apex]

yipee

[hard rover]

@gilded spindle happy birthday!!!

[white apex]

@gilded spindle happy birthday 🎉

[desert hornet]

🎉

[gilded spindle]

hi there

and thank you

[raven fern]

🎉

[desert hornet]

you can only summit 1 ship? damn

[white apex]

yep

[desert hornet]

i think i have a good crew design but it sucks at everything else

[white apex]

nah teratron is going to show up w/ a 0 crew design and instantly win

[desert hornet]

is that even theoretically possible?

[hard rover]

technically

you just have to move 0.000000000000000000000000000000000... 001 meters to win

[desert hornet]

theres no way to fire a weapon without crew

and for thrusters you need a CR

which needs crew

[hard rover]

maybe they'll detonate reactor

[desert hornet]

how?

[hard rover]

for speed but that's disqualification

[desert hornet]

exactly

and even then you cant blow it up

[hybrid tulip]

Your ship will be discalified instantly

[hard rover]

read the message above

#1020489415476396043 message

[hybrid tulip]

In my testing large cannons lasted longer than chainguns, I don't think the resistance applies

[hybrid tulip]

Oops sorry

[hard rover]

cg resistance doesn't apply

[hybrid tulip]

Yep

[hybrid tulip]

Holy shit yeah

Gonna try with a booster

[desert hornet]

@white apex why is this in the save you sent lol

[white apex]

big

there's 2 bullets on the ground too

big is a religious artifact

[desert hornet]

also fun fact: if you get close enough to the sun the sun doesnt pen shields for some reason

[white apex]

r u using the rx

rc

[desert hornet]

ah

[hybrid tulip]

Yep

[white apex]

clearly there is a hidden message ;)

[hybrid tulip]

A skeleton, a graveyard and two bullets

[desert hornet]

im sure im gonna get slapped in the face when the results come in but it doesnt feel very hard to get max average points

[white apex]

then win :P

[desert hornet]

thats what im trying lol

[white apex]

lol

[hybrid tulip]

Me wondering what victory condition I should go for

Batch testing :3

[desert hornet]

if you go for crew you're gonna tie with everyone

[hybrid tulip]

Shhhh

[desert hornet]

*everyone that goes for crew

[hybrid tulip]

I have ridiculously efficient ships in price, crew and mass

I can choose last second if I want

or change

Batch 1 : No failures, all reached sun 😎

[hazy root]

Oh you mean wasted material

[hybrid tulip]

It's not wasted, c'est sacrifié au nom de la Cabale du Soleil !

[rain loom]

Unless it causes the Cabal of Sol to lose the sun.

[hybrid tulip]

Shhhh

They don't know yet that I'm a fringe spy

[hybrid tulip]

I've done like 5 batches of 9 and got one huge failure so far, and a few small ones but overall this ship's pretty safe

[upbeat ridge]

yes

beta numbers, at least

[hybrid tulip]

Are you using air's map?

Because bro even 12 dedicated shield crew doesn't work for me

OH WAIT

You're talking about a large shield

[upbeat ridge]

yep

on a medium too

[hybrid tulip]

A medium shield ?

Are you playing modded ?

Also, I know for a fact that the trip on 1 large shield and medium reactor is impossible as the reactor dries out halfway and you will lose power

It does the same with 2 small shields wich have far less exposed area that takes damage

2 small shieds won't cap out sorry

crew will fail to recharge them in time

that's all

[desert hornet]

jun0 spilling my secrets

[upbeat ridge]

this was open info since beta my guy

[desert hornet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[young jacinth]

@white apex what does "The first part must not give command points." mean?
Like the part at the front/closest to the sun?

[white apex]

the part that dies cannot give cp or u disqualify

[young jacinth]

Ah, why do we have this rule?

[white apex]

so that the rts distance doesn't disappear

[young jacinth]

ah that makes sense

Thanks for answering

[hazy root]

Disqualify ? You mean it stops the counter and you count points right ?

[desert hornet]

you cant count points if the ship has no cr because it then counts as junk, which you cant see how far away it is from its target

[hazy root]

Sure but at some points the ship either die in sun area or in the sun. It means nobody can win

[desert hornet]

the counting ends when the first block dies and if the ship reaches the sun it does 7.5 km

[hazy root]

Oh I ve badly read the sentence my apologies. The first part.

[hybrid tulip]

I have a sub 9000 credit/km ship :3

Or 9 credit per m

if you count that way

[white apex]

yipee

i have no idea if that's good or not bc i have not scored anyone's ships yet and no one has told me what they expect to get

[chilly barn]

What's the deadline for the optimization tourney?

[hybrid tulip]

I wish I could post more that one ships. I'm going to send you all my optimized ships for each category with the final one being the one I want to sign up. (for your curiosity)

[white apex]

ok

[white apex]

3 more days

[chilly barn]

Oh shit

[white apex]

the 9th

at 8pm my time (est iiirc)

[chilly barn]

I don't have much time until weekend 😭

Ig I'll do some quick testing

[chilly barn]

what's this mean

the average of all of those is the score????

do I optimize for one with three different ships?

how exaclty will score be calculated?

@white apex can you shed light

also, can you activate boost thrusters immediatley?

[white apex]

you get 3 scores

[white apex]

boost is activiated at the beginning and that's it

[white apex]

distance divided by cost, or crew, or mass

[chilly barn]

ok, so three different ships for each score?

or one ship for all of the scores?

[white apex]

u use 1 ship and it gets 3 different scores, how well u do relative to everyone else is how u get points for the tourney

[chilly barn]

do the scores get avergaed?

[white apex]

no

[chilly barn]

if I have 10 5 5 and salephz ahs 5 10 6 who wins

how do you determine that

[white apex]

wdym

if ur score for cost is more than salephz, then u get more points than salephz for cost

[chilly barn]

ohhh so 1st in cost gets like 3 points, 1st in crew gets 3, ect? @white apex

[white apex]

yeah basically

[chilly barn]

could you share point distrobutions

I need to min max this

[white apex]

first = number of ppl
second = number of ppl -1
third = number of ppl -2

etc.

last gets 1

wait let me double check

[chilly barn]

oh so there's another doc than this one

can you link that doc in this doc

[white apex]

yeah

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YkxXPTwTDiBiLvh-U8FEBsr5lARf2fW_HNQiMdYbRQw/edit

i probably should've sent that one first

*sent that one in #tournament-announcements for phase 1 instead of the phase 1 doc

[chilly barn]

oh shit alpha isn't good

here I was thinking that would be good lol

[hybrid tulip]

No your alpha isn't good

but I'm worrying about the sustain cuz your's really cheap compared to mine

like 20k cheaper

and less weight

I guess... 1 medium reactor, 2 shields, command room and 1 large engine or 3 standard ones

I never managed to make a medium reactor work

even less with 6 crew

The minimum I could go for is 8

I should probably submit my insanely crew or cost efficient ship

I think i'm guaranteed first placr for cre, if I go for that

But I lack a lot in every other category and that would lock me into a full crew run for the 3 stages

Or I could go for my version of the sustain wich is fairly balanced

Or my cheap af ship

I have all three

I just need to choose

[chilly barn]

you can cut off sheild's fov with blocks and then it takes less damage

[hybrid tulip]

WAIIIT

That's so fucking GENIUS

I had completely given up on large shields

THANKS LAD

Reducing shield surface was my main concern with small shields

[snow seal]

can u make sure my ship flies during nighttime when the sun is gone

[white apex]

lol

[desert sky]

@raven fern it is fine if i sign-up in the grand prix although i won't get the confirmation of my participation until about 2 hours ago before the tournament start ?

i know it's annoying but it is planning hazards i'm sorry ._.

[raven fern]

Go ahead

[raven fern]

Friendly reminder to all those participating in the racing tournament to please DM me your ships tomorrow!

[desert sky]

@raven fern why do the short circuit got one more lap yet Mini Mayhem who's even shorter got as much than the others ?

[raven fern]

Mini Mayhem won't be used in the tournament

[granite river]

Can I do so before then or should I wait on that

[raven fern]

You can send them whenever you want before the deadline. About half the participants have sent me their ships as of now

[granite river]

@raven fern I looked over the rules and couldn't find anything on this, are we supposed to fly the zigzag between same color bars or can we cut straight through
(Track is Rift - 01_Split)

(For split tracks in general)

[raven fern]

Only the Joker & Skip tracks have additional rules. Pilot your vessel through the other tracks however you want

[granite river]

Sick

[upbeat ridge]

hexagon force lookin track

[spring fable]

I would imagine the intention was for a zig zag but i mean if it doesnt say you have to

[granite river]

Yeah

@raven fern Quick question, if I want to build a racetrack for a potential future tournament, are there special requirements I should be aware of beforehand?
I'm working on one for fun right now but I suspect it's much too narrow to be in a tournament

[snow seal]

100 ish

[granite river]

Okay yeah mine's muuuuch too narrow

[raven fern]

Only requirement is for the track to be wide enough to place a couple vessels side by side.
For an approximation you can check the current tracks

[granite river]

Yeah I measured them, 100 tiles wide usually

My WIP one is 40-80 tiles ._.

Guess I'll have to restart if I want to build to tourney standard

[chilly barn]

Anyone wanna share their score

[young jacinth]

Distance/Cost (km/credits) should be 0.0000938

[young jacinth]

what about you?

[chilly barn]

0.00008508899912

[young jacinth]

hehe

[chilly barn]

:waaaaah:

6 crew?

[young jacinth]

from my spread sheet I can also imagine your ship pretty well lol

[young jacinth]

Youll see lol

[chilly barn]

I imagine you have four

Fine I'll put more time in

[young jacinth]

I guessing it costs like 89k?

[chilly barn]

No?

85675

Wait what distance are you assuming

[young jacinth]

12.49

[young jacinth]

damn now I curious

[chilly barn]

Hehe

[young jacinth]

maybe I just did my math wrong and Im completely off

well see i guess

[young jacinth]

yours is able to touch the surface right?

[chilly barn]

0.00008765684272 distance per cost if we assume I went from 12.49 to 4.98

[chilly barn]

Yea

0.2063186813 distance per mass
1.251666667 distance per crew

[young jacinth]

assumed the same

[chilly barn]

Do I beat your crew or mass one?

[young jacinth]

I already told you to much

[chilly barn]

Hm

I don't have tourney winner you do so I should get it 🙂

[young jacinth]

Its actually my job to prevent you fom getting it

wouldnt be satisfying if it was easy right?

[young jacinth]

Also you dont get it from this tourney

Only official ones

[chilly barn]

Noooooo

Ooh I should host a fast one over winter break

[young jacinth]

Ah I get it

Interpreted my own spread sheet wrong

makes sense now

[chilly barn]

Post the .ship of my ship rn

Do it I dare you

[young jacinth]

Already sent it to air

[snow seal]

for my spreadsheets the max score i use is 7.51

[chilly barn]

Wait actually not in public I don't want ppl comment copying mine lol

[snow seal]

bc just outside border is 12.49 and at sun is 4.98

blaze u should join

[chilly barn]

How many iterations do you guys have rn

I'm at like 17

[snow seal]

there is a minimum like 10 mins per week

[young jacinth]

to many to count

[snow seal]

but if u want to push further ofc u can

but just putting in a casual ship would be nice

deadline is tmrw sometime

[snow seal]

less than 10 but i override the bad ones

[young jacinth]

yea actually pretty close to mine

[raven fern]

I didn't sign up because I don't have enough time to spare 😅
But I would love to see what you guys came up with

[snow seal]

it'S LIKE 10 MINS

u could submit an ion rammer !!

[raven fern]

Where's the fun in doing that if I don't put any effort! Much more interesting in seeing designs that people actualy optimized

[snow seal]

😢

[chilly barn]

What the heck what is the price

[young jacinth]

who knows

[young jacinth]

you could calculate it

[chilly barn]

I don't believe

[white apex]

if i were to do this, i would take probably closer to 2 min

lol

cr + crew + boost, realize that wins every category and then stop making competitors

[young jacinth]

Maybe Im just playing mind games to stress you out

who knows

[white apex]

air is secretly competing and has a score of 16 quintillion

[young jacinth]

when is submission end?

[white apex]

tomorrow at 8 pm my time iirc

[chilly barn]

Boost is play???

[white apex]

yeee did u read the rules

[young jacinth]

yea misunderstood what Salephz said

I thought it ended in 10 min lol

[chilly barn]

Mhm but like do the submissions that salephz and plaus have use boost

[white apex]

sekrit :3

don't think anyone has used boost yet but my memory is terrible

[young jacinth]

Yes I definitely used boost

[chilly barn]

Hm that seems fake

[young jacinth]

what do you mean?

you should try for yourself

mind games are working

[chilly barn]

It seems sarcasm

[young jacinth]

I never use sarcasm

[white apex]

i should include politic in the next optimization game

[hard rover]

ngl this does sounds like sarcasm

[desert hornet]

that is a very interesting number. it means you've used a non-symetrical structure arangement (probably) which makes me wonder what type of witchcraft you're cooking up

[sour hinge]

Will the Grand Prix be streamed / recorded?

[raven fern]

Yes it will

[white apex]

tourney has changed to new stable

[stone zephyr]

this seems like the optimal time to start making my ship

I think Ill shoot for like, 95k cost

[white apex]

optimal time was 5 days ago lol

[stone zephyr]

nah

night before is optimal 💯

[stone zephyr]

this is kinda hard

[stone zephyr]

Im really confused on why structure would be helpful here

but clearly it worked

[hard rover]

air alt account found

[stone zephyr]

109,175, 53 tons and 8 crew for my final submission

I realized that I dont really have the skill to push it further than that

[desert hornet]

Hint: you can make the shield smaller by blocking it

[stone zephyr]

why would making it smaller help

genuinely asking idk how sun damage works

is it surface area based?

also I used small shields so I cant really block them 💀

[desert hornet]

Yup

[stone zephyr]

oh so thats what coolgamers structure hybrids were for

[desert hornet]

No not really, i have no clue what thats about

[stone zephyr]

what else would you use to block the large shields

just like, the crew?

[desert hornet]

Whatever is cheapest

[stone zephyr]

well thanks for the hint

guess Im not sleeping tonight

actually this aint due till 8pm tomorrow

Ill just uh, remember to do it

[hazy root]

I'll tell you something about my turney ship...

... My ship has an even number of crews.

[desert hornet]

How revealing!

[hazy root]

No joke I'm happy for the release and that we don't have to be on the rc

[snow seal]

bc sym drains too much duh

[hard rover]

tbf you can't even get an odd ship so that's like saying "my ship can be spawned" but even that provides more info than that

[hazy root]

It was a joke, a bit more subtle than my ship has thrusters

[snow seal]

my ship has no crew

lim,c->0(d/c)=infinity

infinite score

anyhow my actual crew score is 1.8775

[young jacinth]

But d is also 0...

[hazy root]

@white apex how do you deal with eventual ties?

[young jacinth]

Did you find a maximum?

[hybrid tulip]

1.8775 what

[hybrid tulip]

Number divided per the same number is 1 right ?

[young jacinth]

0/0=1

Mathematicians crying

[young jacinth]

Distance/Crew

Thats how the score is calculated

[white apex]

"oh no"

ties are going to share the average of how many points the positions would've got

like if 3 ppl r tied for last, they will all get 2 points (avg of 1, 2, 3)

[lavish compass]

wait how does this racing utilities work actually

yknow maybe with some beams you could allow for interesting variations eg. very specific diagonals but how physical it is would be a problem

[raven fern]

It adds ghost blocks to connect the inner and outer ring of the racetrack and to create a finish line that players can fly over. It also adds an anchor block so the racetrack is immovable despite players colliding with it

[lavish compass]

from what i saw in a video it seems like a different ship class for extra ize and less lag

[raven fern]

Doesn't affect anything else and only adds what I've stated above

[desert sky]

unfortunately it lags alot

[lavish compass]

are the blocks normal 1x1 blocks?

jesus no wonder it lags
cap plis turn into a megaroid copy with 4x or more scale 😭

[raven fern]

The mod itself doesn't introduce more lag as far as I know. That's probably due to the tracks being enormous and the number of players? Last week end the game seemed to run smoothly though didn't it?

[desert sky]

i was saying it does not reduce lag and it's poorly optimized
but it work

[raven fern]

By the way, do you know if you'll make it Xsnow?

[hybrid tulip]

Right that's a nice score

how much crew does your ship have

[hybrid tulip]

I mean you cannot divide by 0

so x/x = 1 when x is a real number*

[white apex]

if u have 0 in crew or mass u automatically win

[hybrid tulip]

Lmao

no

Technically you would have 2 scores : - infinity and infinity

[white apex]

and i will count it as infinity

[hybrid tulip]

Bruh

[white apex]

*u also need to travel more than 0m though

[hybrid tulip]

but infinity multiplied by 0

Oh yes

[young jacinth]

0 is a real number

[desert sky]

not yet ._.

it'll depends on friends and some pc i will update you in about an hour

[hybrid tulip]

it's not a real number*

It's not part of |R*

It's part of |R

[young jacinth]

Ah didnt recognize that notation

[desert sky]

@granite river good luck tithy where ever you land i'll be behind you <3

good event, wrong day

sorry

[hybrid tulip]

what

[granite river]

Thank you snoooo
I’m so sorry you can’t make it today, you’re such a strong player and you’d have killed it out here
I wanna win this for you <3

[snow seal]

asteroid 1x1 triangles are 4-sided

no way to get "smooth" turns with them

[white apex]

like this

[snow seal]

yeah

[lavish compass]

i meant copy the terran ship class make it another ship class but only use the special parts

dont make a exact copy else youre doubling the resource use

[granite river]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-car-barbie-drag-slide-fast-car-gif-13203880

me in the grand prix today

[rain loom]

Don't worry me too

[chilly barn]

when do submissions close so I can upload my ship here

[snow seal]

@white apex

[raven fern]

I'll be a couple mins late, please be patient!
Finishing up a couples things

[white apex]

~7 hr

[tulip monolith]

that looks painfull

[raven fern]

Alright, here are the brackets. As only 7 of you will be showing up they will differ a little from the information document

[white apex]

feels wierd that w/L is worse than l/w

o wait nvm

i can't read

[gilded spindle]

I didnt get a ping?

[young jacinth]

your in the second match

[gilded spindle]

Still, I expected some kind of ping for a stream or something

[snow seal]

u didnt miss anything

[gilded spindle]

There's no stream as well

[young jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YKAIvIXE5Q

[gilded spindle]

That's important

[young jacinth]

but its really lagy

sadly

[hazy brook]

the lag is horrible

[granite river]

In game it's borderline unplayable

All the lines I practiced are impossible

[sour hinge]

Much different flying direct control in a lobby vs local

[gilded spindle]

can we kill the stream

[snow seal]

rift said "Split has multiple routes and one ruleset
must follow checkpoints in the case of a crossover"

[granite river]

I had about a second and a half of ping

But it didn't seem to really matter for me since i got 1st

[gilded spindle]

"I would have cared if I lost... But I came first"

[granite river]

That was worded really badly okay

[gilded spindle]

Indeed

[granite river]

I'd be fine with a rerace

@raven fern

oop

[sour hinge]

Was definitely less laggy

[granite river]

Yeah, it was actually playable that time lol

Laggy enough to screw up my lines though

[sour hinge]

I think "Face Ship Toward Cursor" is needed

[gilded spindle]

you have lines?

[granite river]

I've practiced a lot

[gilded spindle]

I barely have

I'm relying on my ship designs to hold out

[snow seal]

the boring one is best unlucky

[granite river]

Literally anything that is not thruster or thruster supply gotta get axed for speed

[sour hinge]

My lights helped

racecars need headlights

[granite river]

radiation pressure from forward facing lights provides backwards thrust

🗿

[sour hinge]

💀

[snow seal]

@raven fern after the race ends can u try discord streaming?

and ask if it lags

guess no

[gilded spindle]

I liked blazes narration

its sad it stopped

[rain loom]

This might be a close one.

[shrewd imp]

My stupid a key came off cos I was sweating to much

[snow seal]

key?

[shrewd imp]

on my keyboard

[sour hinge]

Dang

[gilded spindle]

thats sad

[shrewd imp]

Peak gameplay right here

[gilded spindle]

they rematched already blaze

[hazy brook]

suprised nobody went for boost

[granite river]

No sustain

Not worth using

And while not boosting it's slow as hell

I tried it

[shrewd imp]

How fast was everyone’s ships btw?

[granite river]

203.7

[hazy brook]

the acceleration alone is worth it to me

if you refuel them they work as normal large thrusters anyway

[sour hinge]

193

[rain loom]

I was peaking at 196-197

Boosters do add a little wait. Too is the problem.

[shrewd imp]

ok

[white apex]

@granite river yipee

u did it

[granite river]

:P

[hazy root]

Nice wp!

[granite river]

Thxx

[gilded spindle]

1.5mil race

when

[hazy root]

Were tbs considered weapons ?

[stone zephyr]

at what point does increasing the price start making the ship slower overall

[spring fable]

very fast

probably like 600k

[surreal pecan]

GGs, I missed all the fun though.

🥲

[young jacinth]

Never. Does make turning slower though

[stone zephyr]

wait really? I would expect the diminishing returns from adding more thrusters would make it worse to add on more at some point

[young jacinth]

only thrust to weight ratio matters

that doesnt change if you scale up

[desert sky]

congrats @granite river !!!!!!

i did not exepcted the tourney to be so short! it's really unfortunate i wasent able to do it in time

[timid current]

@raven fern can you un-private the stream?

[hazy brook]

would have joined in but i've been sick lately

[granite river]

Thxx <3

[granite river]

Yeah :(

[stone zephyr]

alr, time to optimize

[white apex]

u have ~4.3 hrs

[granite river]

Can you take me out of the optimization tourney? I just have too many schedule conflicts coming up this week

Not to mention this past week

I know it's probably super last minute

[raven fern]

There was no stream because of some lag issues. I will be uploading a video of the tournament instead

[stone zephyr]

plenty of time

already got an 86k design (thank you milky for the hint 🙏 )

[stone zephyr]

I think imma try for sub 86k

[white apex]

alright :(

[stone zephyr]

86,050 is good enough for me

[timid current]

ah, alright

looking forward to it!

[white apex]

i had some irl stuff but submissions were closed 1 hr 49 min ago

[chilly barn]

yay

@snow seal @young jacinth post pls

@desert hornet I think you were sus of mine?

anyone else wanna drop theirs?

@stone zephyr what's yours

[stone zephyr]

gimme a sec

playing jackbox

[spring fable]

is this another game breaking ship or is this actually just a large shield protecting a single cr

[chilly barn]

mine is pretty normal

[white apex]

lol

[white apex]

y u have the structure in the middle instad of another triangle

[chilly barn]

ok I beat that bc less side help stuff

[stone zephyr]

great question

actually wouldnt it be the same?

[white apex]

o wait

i see

u saved a hybrid

[stone zephyr]

honestly getting 86,050 was good enough for me

[stone zephyr]

wait how does this give enough shield on the left side?

thats wild

[chilly barn]

it just go brr ig

I could have saved some with your strat tho 😦

[stone zephyr]

?

oh right

[chilly barn]

the saving hybrid thingy

[granite river]

Lmaooo
The penalty for submitting an unoptimal build

[chilly barn]

I have better logistics from doing cr and thruster on side so ppl leave slower

[stone zephyr]

honestly I couldve pushed it further but I felt good enough with mine

oh crap I just realized smth

unfortunate

I wasted a hydrid on the edges

corners

by having them face the wrong way

couldve easily gotten sub 86k

[white apex]

i sentence u to public execution

[stone zephyr]

Im still so surprised that that your design works cool

[stone zephyr]

I tried to keep mine 5 wide cause I thought it would give me a smaller range that I had to make the shield

Im gonna try to beat your design now

with the knowledge that shield hitboxes are really messed up

kinda mad I didnt just do this though

85,950

this is the exact same price as yours cool, so the saving on structure hybrid isnt actually saving its just shifting weight

[chilly barn]

ah

[chilly barn]

lol

I tried a lot

[stone zephyr]

the fact that that covers the left side is insane

[stone zephyr]

its actually worse lmao, increases the weight by .1

Im not entirely sure (as in, I didnt really know how to test it the same way every time so Idk if its like, accurate) but this might beat yours on crew and cost (but lose in weight)

it doesnt touch the sun but it gets close

air could you run this one at some point to see how it compares to the others

(you dont have to if you cant be bothered

[desert hornet]

how didnt i think of using armor triangles

[hazy root]

mine, 84800 credits, sad I didn't put a corridor instead.

[desert hornet]

Paint tryhard

[hazy root]

paint buff

[hazy root]

Does it reach the sun ? The thruster behind the CR would reduce LS regen

[desert hornet]

Yup

Didnt think about using that layout

[hazy root]

So mine is 1t heavier (damn you corridor), but has 1 less door

[desert hornet]

You could prob save on the 2 bottom armor triangles

Maybe youd need to change the one above them into corridor but it would still save

[hazy root]

Yes I've seen it was not impacting the shields, even if the shield was a bit exposed on the sides, wp for that

[desert hornet]

Tbh once i figured out you could place corridor right infront of it i thought “ok, what else seems impossible but might not be”

Which will prob be the best philosophy for this whole tourney

[hazy root]

Here you go, 84,750 credits, 36t

[desert hornet]

perfection

[desert hornet]

Bad

Doesnt even win on crew

[young jacinth]

Thats not my target

[desert hornet]

For alpha its better to go for HT

[desert hornet]

Cost?

[young jacinth]

why?

[young jacinth]

ht is huge thruster?

[desert hornet]

If you use an LC boost ends early, but HT lasts till the end

[young jacinth]

so what do you think is the optimal alpha ship?

Something like this?

it performs worse

[upbeat ridge]

why not use less hp-dense blocks?

[young jacinth]

like what?

[upbeat ridge]

corridor

[young jacinth]

I tested just using a crew quarter/cockpit

second of which gets you disqualified lol

[upbeat ridge]

i meant for the front

[young jacinth]

me too

[upbeat ridge]

i'd imagine overkill helps

[young jacinth]

why you loose once one part is destroyed

[upbeat ridge]

oh that's the issue

i would imagine a tractor beam with small cannons won't work

[young jacinth]

tractor beam alone costs more than my entire ship

[upbeat ridge]

something cheaper i guess

[hybrid tulip]

Nice ship

[hybrid tulip]

Nice one too

Here was mine

I win crew efficiency :3

Oh maybe not

I saw a 4 crew ship

[hybrid tulip]

Could have beat you if I submitted this

FUUUCK

I'm not even first for crew efficiency ;-;

My ship doesn't travel at least 3.75km

You guys are all going to be tied for that tho

[timid current]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1021591774445182976/1182407601858805891/Pistons_sundiver.ship.png?ex=658495e4&is=657220e4&hm=2a4ac25cd695c8086f77fa307896bc71fe8a2d52edf25be21b4aa234d0f2d72a&

This is mine

It reaches the sun but looking at all y'alls, I'm realizing it's gonna lose

[stone zephyr]

The 4 corridor design is so smart

Idk how that even works

[hard rover]

you could cut cost further

[chilly barn]

How the heck does that reach the sun

[desert hornet]

Try it :)

[desert sky]

through sheer will power

[white apex]

flying

[desert hornet]

Have you made the most efficient ship for each category in each round?

[white apex]

me? i'm not competing

[desert hornet]

Ik, just wondering if it is perfect

[white apex]

no idea

scores will be public so u can test it yourself

[desert hornet]

Ik but the best scoring ship may not be the perfect ship

[hazy root]

What's the date ?

[inland lagoon]

10.12.2023

[stone zephyr]

I think you can cut cost with hybrids but gain .2ish weight

[timid current]

ik but it's too late

[snow seal]

this was my final submission

i also made this

@young jacinth @chilly barn

[chilly barn]

Cool

[snow seal]

i thiiink this should be the best 6crew

[snow seal]

did u make it to the sun?

[snow seal]

^

[stone zephyr]

huh?

are you asking if that made it to the sun?

[stone zephyr]

oh lol

[snow seal]

so..?

[stone zephyr]

it didnt

[stone zephyr]

like I said here

[snow seal]

shoulda offset ur reactor for a more direct line between reactor and thruster

[stone zephyr]

yeah ik

but that wasnt my submission so it doesnt really matter

lack of testing/game knowledge + stupidity led me to submitting a poorly designed ship

[hazy root]

It depends of the run, sometimes yes, sometimes no. But if my ship doesn't reach the sun, it's just before like here:

But my submission is this one with triangle armor unfortunately, so you take the lead for 1T.

Same thing for your ship, sometimes it explodes before. You go 0.6M/S faster, so you reach it more frequently.

[stone zephyr]

Im gonna tryhard for phase's two and three cause this is a lot more fun than I thought it would be

[hybrid tulip]

My submission has 2 crew and no reactor yet I managed to lose on price and crew efficiency

[hazy root]

I don't see how we can do better than this ship Salephz, except some crew starting placement or witchcraft, you should be good !

[white apex]

3 is going to be really easy to tryhard and do spreadsheeting for, 2 is going to be a lot harder to tryhard since i think the optimal design already exists

[stone zephyr]

well thats unfortunate

[hybrid tulip]

sad for two... is it going to be missiles ?

[white apex]

you'll find out in ~8 hrs

*2 hrs

[stone zephyr]

those are like

on the opposite side of the keyboard

[white apex]

starts at 8

brain got confused

[white apex]

@young jacinth what's the match settings

[young jacinth]

I guess I can send the excact setting tomorrow

[white apex]

yay

[snow seal]

u should win weight...

wait no nvm

i think these are the optimal stuffs

is air waking up any time soon lmao

oh wait i'm blind

when scores posted

[snow seal]

so ur price is actually 84850?

[white apex]

when i grade them :P

phase 2 begun

[snow seal]

oh

so.. seems like this one u are not getting an overall best

[chilly barn]

no way this is the best

[snow seal]

it is

[chilly barn]

is it just we test all the possible thusters and see the best score

[snow seal]

it comes down to: do more ppl try to win crew score or not

[chilly barn]

I feel like most ppl will do boost thuster probably

now that I posted the simplest ever solution

this is what I had for #1 btw

[timid current]

i think i have something better than that

i'll reveal it after submissions close

[hybrid tulip]

It's disqualified

The command room can't be the first part to die

[chilly barn]

Next challege

Look at rules for #2

[surreal pecan]

@young jacinth #tournament-announcements message What is the price tag?

[hybrid tulip]

Yeah sorry

Huuh how do I stop my ship from stopping when approaching the ennemy ship ? Avoid collision is already off.

[hazy root]

It's 84000. The usage of corridor makes you win 1t. Or I've badly read the weight. Did you imported my ship ?

[young jacinth]

1.5 mil

[surreal pecan]

1.5mil AI ships? You could've mixed the price range up as it isn't dependant on piloting and the whole people being used to the range thing, but sure.

[young jacinth]

I feelt the change is significant enough that a more "normal" Price range is ok

[surreal pecan]

Exactly my thought.

[snow seal]

ur price is def not less than mine

[snow seal]

when

[white apex]

today hopefully

[snow seal]

PETITION to air:

extend the distance the ship must travel so that a 3 part boost ship doesn't win
or
ban boost?
or
ban alpha ships

atleast change something that makes the optimal ship not the most boring one

you cannot win your crew score without losing your weight and cost scores

with that in mind, if one person were to not follow the trend, they will have less points overall

if 7 people try to win on their crew score, the other 4 people will still earn more points

[raven fern]

Changing the rules last min would be unfair towards Plaus though. Anyone else could've come up with the same design but only he did
👆 Clearly hasn't checked that a new phase has begun

[snow seal]

huh what did plaus do?

[raven fern]

crap

have the ships not been released yet?

[snow seal]

this is phase 2

[young jacinth]

its the new ruleset blaze

[raven fern]

I'll go back in my corner then. Don't mind me

[snow seal]

cgt shared the ship

everyone thought of that ship

cgt was the only one to post it

[hard rover]

what ship

[snow seal]

what was the first ship you thought of when u read the rules of phase 2

[hard rover]

boost alpha

[snow seal]

yeah

what ship do u think cgt posted

[hard rover]

haven't started building yet though

[snow seal]

how many boost?

[hard rover]

boost alpha?

[hard rover]

2with one cr?

[snow seal]

oh-

congratulations u just lost ur weight and price scores

[hard rover]

:(

[snow seal]

:(

[hard rover]

i mean 2 boost should be enough to cross the entire distance

emphasis on "should"

[snow seal]

literally 1 boost could go like 1.74 km with the extra weight in phase 1

[hard rover]

wait we're talking phase 2 or 1

phase 1 i just used 1 ht

went 2km iirc

[snow seal]

nono i'm saying if 1 boost can travel 1740 m with extra weight, it can definitely travel 240m

[hard rover]

true

[snow seal]

everyone read please #1020489415476396043 message

[hard rover]

yeah i agreed instantly after reading this

[snow seal]

maybe i should ping them

||@hazy root@hybrid tulip@stone zephyr@sullen plover@desert hornet@timid current@young jacinth@granite river ||
read this
#1020489415476396043 message

woa dyno didn't automod me for that

[chilly barn]

This ship

[sullen plover]

Yo

[young jacinth]

I feel like the solution will be similarly trivial anyways?

[snow seal]

do u want no change at all?

just everyone posts the exact same boring ship?

[young jacinth]

Dont think it would change anything

[snow seal]

put an X reaction

or a shrug

[timid current]

I'd say not to change the rules now, but if the results are all identical then def change the rules for the future

Why fix something that might not even be a problem

[desert hornet]

because it is

[hard rover]

what's the point of a contest if everyone has the perfect ship

[surreal pecan]

That is the inherent issue of an ''optimization tournament.'' Once something perfect is discovered, there's no room to grow in.
I do understand, in some niche scenarios there are multiple different ''perfect'' resolutions and sometimes perfection's still yet to be discovered/there will always be a better than the best, but in frequent cases, and especially with a tournament like this that is cut up in many pieces that each make it much easier to find ''perfection,'' it becomes really restrictive.

[stone zephyr]

I agree

[stone zephyr]

I think the thing with this is it takes little to no brainpower to make this optimal ship

[hard rover]

in this case it's more of perfection is so simple and easy to achieve that it kinda defeats the purpose of testing

[stone zephyr]

With the sundiver ships there was a certain amount of effort needed

[surreal pecan]

Yeah that too, it's building a very small thing, and thus there are an extremely little amount of permutations relative to say, a 1.5mil comp ship.

[hard rover]

here it's just 3 parts and a door

[surreal pecan]

5 parts (Quarters/bunk, reactor, control room, thruster, shield) and 4 doors I think?

[stone zephyr]

You don't need a reacotr

[surreal pecan]

Alpha shield gaming

[desert hornet]

and the stuff in front of the shield, layout, there being a more efficient ship for cost, more doors could be used, etc

its not as simple

[hard rover]

here it's literally just fucking 3 parts stacked on top of eachother

[hard rover]

this has so many ways to be optimised in comparison to the alpha boost here

[surreal pecan]

How is bloody alpha boost better in shield test than the damn thing?

Also, Teratron was freaking right.

Alpha is the way to go.

[desert hornet]

for cost? yea, but it loses on everything else

[hard rover]

we're in phase 2

no sundiving

[white apex]

yeah i'll increase it

[chilly barn]

I think the price ranges could be higher to allow for more of a brainpower

[white apex]

i would include a drag reduction mod but i'd prefer it to be vanilla

maybe next time

[hollow socket]

Hmmm

[stone zephyr]

hype

[white apex]

lmk if there's any issues w/ the scores for phase 1

i had chatgpt sort it for me and it is not very good

[snow seal]

i guess now that the distance is so long, there's no reason to autoram

i wonder if u guys knew to use autoram to make sure that u dont stop thrusting

this box broken @white apex

also can u add a total pls

[white apex]

total added

boxes should be fixed

[snow seal]

ye

aw damn did my ship not crash the sun?

also @white apex how are u gonna use the .rec function and battle helper at the same time

[white apex]

they should be able to coexist

[snow seal]

do u host a creative game?

[white apex]

yep

[snow seal]

last time i tried to use battle helper in creative it wasnt there

[snow seal]

oh some rounding stuff in game

thats rough

[chilly barn]

Yay I'm #3 rn

Unless I'm reading it wrong

Idea for a round: missile logistics, see how fast you get through a block or armor

[stone zephyr]

Where are the scores posted?

Nvm

Second on crew is fun

Well tied second with 2 others

I've got an average placement of 4th/5th, depending on which way you round

I'll take that honestly

[hazy root]

Something wrong with the scores I think. Robot are you using 6 crews ?

[young jacinth]

@trim anchor please use the right channel to ask questions and read the announcement before doing so.

[young jacinth]

Im a bit confused about the tournament rule set.
It says that the distance is 50km but the distance to the ion is actually ~33km.
Why is it mentioned that the right side wont move but that it also gets an rts command?

Also the ion flickers

[trim anchor]

apologies but what message are you referring to?

wait ohhh this one
#1183552229962154024 message

is this channel where im meant to ask questions?

[white apex]

wait what

new save is broken

the distance for the battle helper

[young jacinth]

yes its for all questions concerning any tournament

[hazy root]

For phase 2 I still don't understand what that means:
Score will be given by time to reach the beam*(cost or crew or mass), to 3 significant

English is not my mother tongue so it can be related to that.
Also why starting multiple ships to the target?

[desert hornet]

3 significant decimal places is basically the same as 3 decimal places

[white apex]

babby is an example ship

so i take the time in arbitrary units (to be determined later) and multiply it by cost or crew or mass

and i round it to 3 significant figures so my bad timing is less of an impact

i'll fix language and save when i get home

[surreal pecan]

That's why a powerful AI tool for all the public masses to use was a mistake...

[white apex]

i had a migraine and did not want to write a program or look filter stuff up

[trim anchor]

anyways
when is the deadline to submit a ship to ur ai tournament?

[young jacinth]

again, read the anouncement please

[trim anchor]

oh

sorry

[young jacinth]

this one: #tournament-announcements message

[young jacinth]

np but please read announcements before asking next time xD

[trim anchor]

got it

[white apex]

yipee it's pretty now

i think i'm sending more #tournament-announcements than blake lol

[upbeat ridge]

@snow seal WYSI

[snow seal]

where

huh oh i see

still dont understand why my ship crashing into the sun just like evryone else only gets 7.49 km rather than 7.5

[white apex]

rounding moment

[snow seal]

ugh it feels so unfair

[white apex]

yeah :( i probably should've gotten the way more significant figures mod ready for the tourney but it did not want to work

[upbeat ridge]

ceil

[white apex]

that will just shift the cutoff around

[snow seal]

idk why can't u just manually add it

my ship made it to the sun

[snow seal]

my ship and 4 others made it to the sun

my ship scores less

like dumb rounding

[snow seal]

u can literally view the replays again with this

u dont need to make it public bruh

[white apex]

o wait i can

[snow seal]

@-@ bruh

[desert hornet]

ye it should def be changed

[young jacinth]

@white apex is the save updated now?

[white apex]

just realized that my to do list thing did not save my to do yesterday :(

i'll do it today

[surreal pecan]

You are a very competent host gotta say.

Jokes aside, you aren't doing too badly for your first ever attempt at an event, mine would sure be worse.

Speaking of which, I might consider going for a status to host an unofficial design contest... Sounds like fun.

[desert hornet]

:agony:

[white apex]

2nd place goes to nightlord since i spent ~2 hrs debugging why the spreadsheet kept saying they won

[stone zephyr]

Man I'm really gonna need to bring it back here

15 points behind 1st

[hard rover]

i forgor about the whole thing lol

[white apex]

phase 2 doc updated

[white apex]

hopefully it is more clear now

[snow seal]

piston loop score is still broken

actually a lot of the cost scores are not correct

[snow seal]

are u gonna do this or not

[white apex]

wdym

they're all multiplied by 100,000,000 btw

[white apex]

mod still not working :(

[snow seal]

snow is ranked worse than orion

piston lop is ranked more than a lot of ppl

robo is ranked worse than orion

[snow seal]

are u trying or gonna give up

[snow seal]

i put comments on the rank that say the correct value pls fix

[white apex]

wait

i can't count https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/547055653194170381.webp?size=64&name=agony&quality=lossless

[snow seal]

bro..

[white apex]

epic counting failure \👍

[snow seal]

are u trying or gonna give up

[white apex]

give up, if u want to try to debug it it's here

everything works, it just doesn't have a name even though it does

[snow seal]

then can u just give me the extra 0.01 distance

because i'm literally losing to the game rounding weirdly

[white apex]

w/ the mod, i'm pretty sure u would still be last, there just wouldn't be a tie for 5/6/7

[snow seal]

???????

if u want u can turn all 12.49s to 12.486 and then all 12.48s to 12.484

or something idfk

[snow seal]

how would i be last??

[white apex]

o wait

my brain is not working rn

talk to u later

[snow seal]

:/

[white apex]

i see what u mean

[white apex]

more significant figures should be added soon\™️

[trim kestrel]

seems interesting

[stone zephyr]

how do I use the battle helper to get the correct distance between the two ships for testing my optmization stuff

my ship is having a stroke

its flying diagonally for literally no reason

it seems that having babby exist was the problem

[desert sky]

#1183363013378584636 message

@stone zephyr

[stone zephyr]

rip

wait so I have to make my ship slow enough to not get affected by rts breaking

💀

[snow seal]

[stone zephyr]

I know where battle helper is

it just spawns the ships reeealy close

[snow seal]

[stone zephyr]

nested burger menus?

oh sick

[white apex]

click the burger of the battle helper