Tournament Chat

[green bobcat]

Your up

[hollow socket]

aw man

unlucky

[jagged flume]

@sharp bane @autumn maple

[surreal pecan]

I am so sorry I literally want to kill myself.

[hollow socket]

looks like king gets off easy

[jagged flume]

Bro it's fine

[green bobcat]

lol

[hollow socket]

i was just abouta kill all of king's ships and win

[surreal pecan]

He'd get off easy anyways.

[green bobcat]

hes here now

[hollow socket]

if it wasn't for this, we would have won the tournament entirely

[jagged flume]

Mmmm

[surreal pecan]

Yes we would've been uncontested and win woth our transcendent power of zero Dom background.

It still sucks and I feel horribly bad 🥹

[wind ermine]

surely, i believe. Thankfully we were spared the brutality of your one-sided victory

[surreal pecan]

Merciless massacre.

Still I feel like a disappointment.

[sweet saffron]

if Emperor has some ships to share I can be your replacement

[surreal pecan]

Too late T-T

[snow seal]

man

dom is like rock paper scissors spock gun lizard etc

[surreal pecan]

XD

[gilded spindle]

hi

[surreal pecan]

Goat ate the vines wolf ate the goat gun ate the wolf rust ate the gun earth ate the rust mouse ate the earth cate ate the mouse.

Dom in a nutshell.

[surreal pecan]

Hi hello it is I.

[snow seal]

i wonder if enoshade yet again wins longest gametime

like in total

[surreal pecan]

:>

Who's currently the world record holder for THE LONGEST SINGULAR BO3 MATCH EVER?

It might be Me and Snow Vs Gnusmas and Immtrm.

Lasted grand total of 39 minutes and 50 seconds from the start of the first match to the end of the last. I counted.

[snow seal]

this game is like

eno and komm have their points, then move their ships to other points

but then their points get captured by small capping ships

[gilded spindle]

im disappointed in my performance tbh, could have done better

[snow seal]

i think in dom, there is always some way to do better

[trim kestrel]

this better not end in a tie 💀

[jagged flume]

@trim kestrel @hazy brook

[stone zephyr]

Oh I forgot the tournament started today

[snow seal]

well

[stone zephyr]

Guess I'll just watch the vod lmao

[snow seal]

in total because of king's disconnect, it was longer, but the individual round was like 30 mins

[shell maple]

Is the tournament still running?

[jagged flume]

Yeah

[surreal pecan]

Which one? Ahh the Mr.king one.

[snow seal]

where's the full bracket?

updated if possible

[snow seal]

enoshade with longest match and shortest match?

[jagged flume]

There was a sub two minute one

[snow seal]

oh

dang the upsets

[sharp bane]

the old guard is dead!

[snow seal]

@jagged flume stream chat got botted

[sharp bane]

well, gn!

[surreal pecan]

Enoshade once again generating both longest AND shortest games of all time. So in character of him...

... What's up with the pinned message?

I don't quite get it.

WTF am I doing here at nearly 5AM 0_0

[snow seal]

eric, king, qawa, and box are all prominent dom players and were expected to win

[serene latch]

box is insanely rusty, unfortunately

[jagged flume]

@dusty crescent @unkempt gulch you guys are up!

[unkempt gulch]

OK

[sweet saffron]

oh I was pinned at some point, cool

[snow seal]

lol

u were rooting against saris

[snow seal]

ggs

[serene latch]

well played all, thanks for coming!

[uneven arch]

get some sleep lol

[snow seal]

whole painted fleet?

[jagged flume]

Probably not entiiire fleets

[errant forge]

damn

4am and playing all day straight

too long...

anyway... gg hansel

im so fucking mad for you, but you deserve for win

[unkempt gulch]

all paint job thanks to the the work of yugi150

[jagged flume]

Very slick, they looked great. Was the red circles on the cannons intentional?

[unkempt gulch]

but he dont have discord

[jagged flume]

It imitates very closely the 'no ammo' or 'no crew' symbols which can throw off opponents really effectively

[unkempt gulch]

no they were only paint

red color is designed to be able to be changed into other colors too so

[jagged flume]

Ah, fair enough

[rough oracle]

Congrats Hansel

same to AnD

[unkempt gulch]

ty

[dusty crescent]

tks

[wind ermine]

hopefully i did alright casting, was not prepared going in at all

[jagged flume]

You did great!

[rough oracle]

anthraax casted? neat

[serene latch]

same i kept messing up my speech lmao

[wind ermine]

yeee, i hopped in when KMC had to take off and left Saris to cast alone

talking to yourself while casting gets boring lol

[jagged flume]

Also is extremely straining, having two people is just a better arrangement over all

[wind ermine]

that too

[jagged flume]

Hilariously KMC was a stand in for another guy who unfortunately had to leave too

[wind ermine]

lul

[rough oracle]

when it comes to dom, there is generally enough activity

especially when it comes to any.. say high impact moments (ship explosions for instance)

[errant forge]

sooo... when we host next dom tourney?

april?

may?

i need to beat hansel this time:P

[jagged flume]

The next for sure is gonna be elim because I'm picky that way, but this one was exciting enough that I no longer plan on never hosting another one

[errant forge]

vidalocas graveyard was great strategy xd

but not enough good to beat hansel

@hazy brook @trim kestrel was quite mad for me:DDD

[upbeat ridge]

the non dom specialists got pretty far this time

eh, what can you do

[inland lagoon]

vidaloca graveyard

[jagged flume]

I really loved the nuke drive by ships

[past fiber]

The upper ones including the nuclear one are greedisr ships

[errant forge]

well.. hansel deserve it, in 1v1 he would beat everyone so for now he is best dom player

[upbeat ridge]

yeah i hate them because i hated using them

[past fiber]

But the first two outages looked pretty suspicious

[upbeat ridge]

the nuke drive-by ships were a mistake to introduce so early in the ecosystem

[upbeat ridge]

i'll take your word for it

[errant forge]

You can make 1v1, i bet hansel will beat everyone
Maybe someday there will be someone better, but for now he is the best

[novel rain]

bmmmmbbhbh
why does the guy that is the overall best dom player in your words
use missile bricks

[novel rain]

WHHHAAAATTT

NOOO

what the hell did you 4 do to get obliterated

[snow seal]

tbf it was really close

ithink

[novel rain]

i suppose overconfidence is a silent killer

[serene latch]

@novel rain

[novel rain]

i also suppose that - as a mostly outsider - i'm talking to tournament winners that probably know a bit more about why they lost and how they can do better then I ever will

all I want to do is build some cool robotic-like ships and then throw them at players, I never would have much interest in tourneys as is

[serene latch]

no harm in joining though (except your time i guess)

[novel rain]

i wouldn't join one because i'd get my ass kicked. the comparison is a bit like picking up a homeless guy on the street and making him run a marathon - he might be able to do it but he most certainly wouldn't want to if he had the choice

[jagged flume]

It's about having fun more than winning. Getting your rear handed to you is unfortunate, but you never know, you're invested and can enjoy the rest of the tournament more, and now have a chance to offer a joke to audience

[autumn maple]

time to share my dom fleet. actually enjoyed painting for the most part

[surreal pecan]

...In case I was wondering how I lost, THIS is my fleet.

---

WOAH... A true underdog story for sure.

[snow seal]

i dont think they're underdogs

[jagged flume]

I think dark horse is a more applicable term

Dark horse has a specification of a previously unknown competitor, where underdog is a known to be weak one that starts winning

[snow seal]

yeahh

dom community isn't very prevalent in the discord

[upbeat ridge]

you know, i was god once

well at least one of the top

[errant forge]

xd

[surreal pecan]

Why were you demoted from your job of taking care of the entire universe?

;-;

[novel rain]

i always knew hansel and wish they painted their ships

[unkempt gulch]

👀

[novel rain]

congrats on being red!

also you get to have saris paint your dom ships

[surreal pecan]

HANSEL IS RED NOW

Epic.

Yeah true Sal, I still have the trusty megaphone, nice of you to remind.

...Yeah you really were the underdogs (Or ''Dark Horses'' as Saris put it) here. The first time I fought Hansel in a 1v1 was under a month ago and they were pretty decent.
Congratulations for winning though, your Dom performance was supreme.

[inland lagoon]

good job hansel

[sharp bane]

yup, amazing work! congratulations!!

[surreal pecan]

👍

Congratulate Han's partner too, AND.

[errant forge]

[desert sky]

Congrats all'

[surreal pecan]

Yes.

INCLUDING US?! 😳

[sharp bane]

yes congrats to everyone! Some fantastic ships made and great tactics on display in matches

[errant forge]

Vidaloca graveyard

[surreal pecan]

Ships so optimized I couldn't use them 🗿

[wind ermine]

it was a great tourney, lots of cool ships and good plays. I expect the next Dom tourney will be even more exciting

[surreal pecan]

;-;

Please no.

[wind ermine]

between now and then I expect a lot of new ship designs to pop up

tourneys always bring in new players too, which helps promote the game mode itself

more new players will make more new ships

[timid current]

if tourneys alternate between 2v2 elim, 1v1 elim, and dom, that'd be cool

[wind ermine]

it's all up to the organizers and participants. There has to be enough people that want to play to justify hosting a tourney

[hollow socket]

No love for arena?

[desert sky]

no.

[errant forge]

Arena is piece of shit

[serene latch]

do people prefer dom 1v1 or 2v2s?

[surreal pecan]

2v2s mean less runtime for the tournament which is none but a good thing because you can't ask most people to stay up as late as 4AM

Some are truly dedicated and will, no matter the circumstances, do that, but... Some can't.

[inland lagoon]

2v2's are more fun in my opinion

[serene latch]

should i post this question as a poll in #tournament-announcements

[sharp bane]

I think 2v2 is nice with the fleet tactics aspect

2v2 fits dom more than elim

the game doesn't completely change to a different meta, just allows more fine control over ships when it is split between two

[serene latch]

aren't you supposed to be sleeping

[sharp bane]

would be interesting to see 2v2 with shared ctedits I reckon

what no

[serene latch]

your nickname, i mean

[sharp bane]

It's 23:13 rn

ahh

[serene latch]

yeah i like that setting, a lot of people don't however

[sharp bane]

it could allow players to try out even more separation of control, like one player swarming and the other using direct control on a high-value fast ship

[tough prism]

very epictino

this tounry

[surreal pecan]

ME WHEN COMBINER

[tough prism]

AW SHOOT

someone should have made a combiner that functions by itself, but can fuse together to make it bigger

and more powerful

[raven fern]

I missed the entire event but congratulations to the participants and the tournament winners 😄

[trim kestrel]

Blazing Ex is hosting and unofficial one April 29th if you are interested in more

[trim kestrel]

Well, Tapeable and I were able to steam roll the elimination players... then we fought dom players
long story short economy and strategy is a lot more important than ship design and piloting in Dom and it shows (and also ship design principles are very different in dom)

[novel rain]

that's part of the puzzle as to why there's a lot of people I know that play dom and do well there despite their ship designs being awful, (nothing) or play dom and never play elim (me, the other chinese dom player (not hansel) )

it's the same game with the same overarching rules and that's where the similarities end. ship design is everything in elim and only part of the problem to solve in dom

[trim kestrel]

Here was the fleet Tapeable and I used
Some key design principles I used were KISS(keep it simple stupid), redundancy, and repairability

[snow seal]

did u have autoram for your ships?

[trim kestrel]

all of them except the two missile ships

[snow seal]

ohhh they dont use huge thrusters

[trim kestrel]

nope too expensive

same with ER

ER also isn't redundant

[autumn maple]

your ships are very beefy

[snow seal]

i have this.. it's like 300k

[autumn maple]

zamn

cheap

my cheapest one is 360k 😂

[trim kestrel]

very weak side and rear armor, not very repairable

[autumn maple]

well your designing is really goo

d

modular

[trim kestrel]

every ship with a reactor also has a air lock in order to keep full crew

[autumn maple]

cr seperate

[snow seal]

@-@ idk i didn't participate

[autumn maple]

reminds of that little shit

[errant forge]

Sure, and energy is gone after 30sec

[snow seal]

it's not that bad tbh

[errant forge]

It is

[snow seal]

ok T^T

[autumn maple]

i mean we have seen what emp did to most ships.

poor qawa just wanna have a good time but than suddenly 8 emp strike from behind

[errant forge]

Well... i also have small reactor 4DC ship with 2ER ( even used on tournament )

But the energy problems is always problem

I have capacitors and only one huge thruster per ER to slow down energy drain

[trim kestrel]

it's not terrible but my 200k ship beat it

with just ai control

[snow seal]

rip

[trim kestrel]

I also just realised it has like no ammo lol

3x3 for 300k

it's out after just one fight

I suppose it was made for elim tho where that's all you need

[unkempt gulch]

sorry i sleeping that time but thank you

and if anyone wants

i can give him ship to learn

[vital spindle]

👀

[unkempt gulch]

actually they are suck

[vital spindle]

That took a minute

[jagged flume]

@trim kestrel throughout the tournament the purple ship with ripped shrike paint repeatedly got stuck and killed. I would advise investing in a second reactor for better thruster upkeep

[vital spindle]

Average saris moment

[jagged flume]

I think that was a large contributor to matches being close and battles lost. If you were able to maintain control you'd have had a better time

What does that even mean

[vital spindle]

It means average saris moment

[jagged flume]

I hope that's a good thing

[vital spindle]

Depends on your definition of a saris moment

[trim kestrel]

you make tutorials and review mp matches and videos on youtube lol

yeah I definitely underestimated how long a battery could last in standard combat

[serene latch]

i fixed my cr reponse time since that incident i swear..

[serene latch]

i hate crew and their stupid priorities

[trim kestrel]

how do I tell crew to prioritise winning the match

[serene latch]

give that a priority of 11, duh

[vital spindle]

Tell ‘em to stop being meat slaves and start gaining scentience

[serene latch]

smh man forgot to read the 2eye guide

[trim kestrel]

ah I see my mistake, I left "constantly switch tasks mid combat and walk into fire" at 10

[vital spindle]

How do I tell me crew to burn to death instead of leaving my CR?

[trim kestrel]

set "will to live" to 0
and "pyromaniac" to 10

[serene latch]

set "i'm not getting paid enough for this" to 10

[vital spindle]

Yeah their only hobbies are being burned to death sooo

[frank pecan]

@errant forge Hi, I got here too.

Took me some time to find myself a legal(comparetively) VPN to view here. Anyway I think I am gonna beable to chat with you guys here too.

[errant forge]

Damn

Hello

[frank pecan]

Hi,

Nice to see you guys here.

[surreal pecan]

Helo.

[sharp bane]

OH clever

although I don't think my deck cannons ever were unable to fire after repairs regardless

but they may have lost loader crew

in our game you or tapeable got the perfect angle on my cheap DC ship to go through a thruster weakpoint and destroy the reactor in one shot x_x

[frank pecan]

Forgot to explainit lol: @jagged flume the confusing red paint on the LC for the Chinese Dom team wasn't painted on purpose. It is part of the whole design, made to be able to be changed into any color the player likes.

[cyan glade]

No imagination needed

[tough prism]

what about a tournament with a spicific mod set?

like a tournament that has some sort of extra weapons mod, or something

would be more interesting then the normal vanilla archetypes

[desert sky]

ppl disagree

#tournament-announcements message

me first

[tough prism]

🤷

idk

oh yeah, whatever happened to this?
I kinda forgot about it after the feb tourny

[silk flint]

if you want a mod that doesn't break meta, my plasma weaponry only destroy ships that doesn't have enough FE, otherwise, they don't do much

[brave solar]

Must say ya doin rly well streaming tournaments, its nice to watch and you nealy always have something good to say about gameplay no matters its another hour of non stop stream, thanks!

[surreal pecan]

True.

[errant forge]

Yeah thats true.. i watched my games three times xd

[surreal pecan]

I skipped my game to not die from cringe ;-;

[sharp bane]

I want mods that obliterate the meta and make us come up with creative solutions in the weeks leading up to a tournament

[surreal pecan]

Ohho!

I have suggested some batshit insane concepts.

500% buff to weapons but so nothing can tank nothing and going UL is the only way, irvice versa a 500% buff to defences.....

Wacky crap like this one.

[desert hornet]

that just means ion kites

[surreal pecan]

Why.

Ionkites can be hit...

[hollow socket]

The best solution, adding a change that kills 90% of archetypes until you are only watching the exact same ships at every match with almost no differences in design

[desert hornet]

everythin that they can be hit by gets stopped by pd

[surreal pecan]

ი ო ნ

I O N

No PD can stop a full fan.

[desert hornet]

gets stopped enough for the rest to be finished by shields

[vital spindle]

Yes

But unfortunately only 8 people would attend if that

[hollow socket]

And I ain't watching a modded tournament, even with how enjoyable the commentators are

[jagged flume]

Can you please elaborate if you would be so willing? What's wrong with a modded tournament that even viewing it is uninteresting?

[silk flint]

i believe he is talking about radical meta breaking mods like GA or Jani's.
you know like stuff that adds "OP" parts

if not, then idk

[surreal pecan]

I mean if it's a balance change mod and not a ''500billion useless half-baked unpolished garbage content quantity over quality'' mod then I'd be totally fine with it.

...Wonder how the warp gate beacon module thingy will affect pvp... If at all.

You all know I'm gonna make a wacky swarm reciever ship :>>>>>>>>

Maybe it could be cool asset on an ioncap juicer.

As I call them.

Just a big platform of 16 or maybe even 32 ions that charges up tiny ion capacitor drones.

The moment they're exhausted they warp back and recharge.

[jagged flume]

Well that's the thing, arguably seeing said things in action would be interesting. When competitive players are given new toys they're instantly off to the races to break them all and see which ones are the most effective. I think that's an interesting sort of thing, as an example, so I'm asking for clarification for the future's sake

[silk flint]

i don't who that targets, but that's savage

[silk flint]

probably not much
since expensive for both ships and takes time. you can clearly just send a ship normally

[surreal pecan]

Teleportation has always been a broken ability in games, so I digress.

[silk flint]

we would need a bigger map for it

[surreal pecan]

...There is a pvp related question that I always wanted to ask, ever since the new game came out, and I think this is the appropriate thread for it...
Did Cosmoteer become cheaper or more expensive pvp-wise in the new game's addition?

THINK ABOUT IT!

Weapons like basically all the missiles became way cheaper with the gigantic storage buffs, and you need way less thrust as the thrusters got buffed by 100%, but you have to spend so much more to maintain say, the entire ship, as now you need to spend money on large and\or multiple cockpits and crew for them, raw materials for factories, maybe optionally airlocks, the list goes on.

...Not to mention some modules got a direct cost increase.

[desert hornet]

depends

[surreal pecan]

Overall?

[desert hornet]

prob more expensive

ammo weapons are about the same or slightly more expensive, crew quarters/bunks are over twice the price, control rooms,

capacitors are twice the price

i think avoiders used to be faster too, so the price of thrusters has gone up

[surreal pecan]

What?

...Yeah plus we have to worry about more new expensive modules like Large Shields and DC.

[desert hornet]

those didnt exist in classic so there's no way to compare

[surreal pecan]

Then why did you say this lol.

Oh wait whoops, misread.

Thought by those you meant Avoiders.

About that, I meant that most ships now basically depend on having large shields, which are obviously more expensive, forcing you to compromise.

[desert hornet]

do they?

[surreal pecan]

Well I guess a LS is technically better than 4 small shields

[desert hornet]

the only archetypes with large shields commonly used are heavy railfans, avoiders, orbiter walls and ion barges; but all can use a small shield with similar, if not more succes

ig ulsfs

but like 3 people have built any and they arent great to begin with

[surreal pecan]

Yeah I wanted to say that.

They're basically the only heavy shield dependent builds.

[surreal pecan]

Hmm... Me, Eno and..?

Ah yeah Zeural.

Though his isn't really UL

[desert hornet]

i remember 1 with rails, dont remember who's

[surreal pecan]

Is it coincidentally called ''The Sun?''

That's Zeural's.

[desert hornet]

dont recall, as ive said

[white apex]

where me

[desert hornet]

ok, 4

[surreal pecan]

S H O W

[white apex]

the one i made w/ u

[surreal pecan]

It's still good old Ringularity.

Except I don't get the 2PD it has.

The amount of missiles that can kill it will definitely won't be stopped by measly one pd per side.

(Per two sides)

[vital spindle]

Would it be possible to do a double elimination bracket at some point?

[sharp bane]

when has there been a modern tournament without double elimination

so the answer would be yes, it is possible, every tournament in recent memory has a double elimination/losers bracket.

[desert sky]

the november tournament ?

[sharp bane]

I guess? honestly don't remember exactly

[desert sky]

but it would be the only one i think

[snow seal]

lol this one

[errant forge]

oh u re right

[sharp bane]

I had a similar DC ship for the tourney

managing thrust power becomes annoying if it has to go to a point and then gets damaged and has to go back spawn again

if it has some time to sit before moving to another location it's fine tho

the MR version was way more expensive but also easier to pilot properly

[surreal pecan]

For the billionth time what is a double elimination?

[sharp bane]

when if you lose once you get another chance later on before getting kicked out

it is the same as having a losers bracket

[surreal pecan]

Ah, loser's bracket.

It's a cool idea but I think it drags on for too long.

It either requires to be 4-5 hour sessions stretched over 2 days or be like 7 hours long with some sort of a compromise.

In bith ways it's not really a good time.

November tourney didn't have one and thus, even despite the long lobby waiting time, didn't drag on.

[surreal pecan]

It's genuinely one of my most beloved memories. It was what truly motivated me to pick up pvp, even in the wrongest imaginable way :>

Fly of the Beelzebub :agony:

[serene latch]

the bo1 of the dom tournament was supposed to cut time and it still lasted 5 hours lmfao

[hollow socket]

Luckily a few teams dropped, else it could have taken longer

[white apex]

that is some smexy paint

[sweet saffron]

"bo1"?

[surreal pecan]

Wait... Did I for a split second see Saris ping Avokado about his comment in #1081651425999863949?

Or am I really that high?

O_O

[sweet saffron]

I thought I was crazy

I clicked off the image and the original was gone

[jagged flume]

It was the wrong tournament chat so I moved it to the design one

[surreal pecan]

Ahh, I see.

Mistakes happen.

[sharp bane]

Paint by ze kommandant!

[surreal pecan]

I was about to say this screams Saris paint to me.

Oh well.

[jagged flume]

My paint style is... pretty far away from that, and there's only one example currently existing of me using triple highlights like that

[snow seal]

where

[surreal pecan]

I know. I thought of that for a spilt second, the bright scheme set off the IT'S SARIS PAINT neurons of my brain :p

[jagged flume]

#sotd-submissions message

[snow seal]

hmm that doesn't count bc nugg wanted it in that style

[serene latch]

1 win means move on in the bracket

[surreal pecan]

''Best of one''

That's what the abbreviation means.

[serene latch]

have you considered.. 3 engine rooms and 6 deck cannons? more utilisation of cr and reactor me thinks

[surreal pecan]

Too expensive..?

[sharp bane]

I mean, that would definitely be better utilisation, but I have never played a dom game where it would be viable to spend that much

I have a 6dc 2er version and have never been able to play even that

I could quite possibly make my cheap one even cheaper with 2 cockpits tho I should maybe try that

[white apex]

dom might get higher budget to acoomodate for it? no more alpha meta

[hollow socket]

Alpha is a signature feature of domination

[white apex]

discord moment

[chilly barn]

Yeah I've had that happen to me a lot

[lofty forum]

where do i post my ships for this

[rough oracle]

for the design contest, channel is locked atm

[lofty forum]

oh ok

so i cant post any yet?

[rough oracle]

no

[lofty forum]

ok

[stone zephyr]

When is the next tournament supposed to be?

[rough oracle]

22nd and 29th of April, 7PM UTC

Gonna be a 1v1 elimination

[stone zephyr]

22nd and 29th? Interesting

[surreal pecan]

:>

I hope there's no loser's bracket because it unnecessarily extends the runtime of the tournament and very non-handy for people like me who have at most 3-4 hours to play after which it's too late to stay up.

Well not like I'll ever reach the end though.

[desert sky]

that was literally never annonced ?

[surreal pecan]

Yeah lol.

Why?

[hollow socket]

Where's the sign up?

[rough oracle]

No idea

[desert sky]

where saris?

[surreal pecan]

HULLO I'M NOT SCHLARIS TODAY WE HAVE NOT MY SHIP EYDOLONDON VERSUS THE MOST POWERFUL OPPONENT OF ALL— THE FRIENDS WE MADE ALONG THE WAY

Why

[surreal pecan]

Yah.

[kindred arrow]

[surreal pecan]

:'>

[raven fern]

Are we sure about that? I don't see any official announcements or sign up pages

[surreal pecan]

Again for the billionth time what the hell is ''Tournament host beautiful voices.''

[rough oracle]

S' what Saris told me

[desert sky]

why saris havent told US anything

the only trace of that i could find is this
#546229904488923145 message

[raven fern]

We're not special enough. Only Fusion is worthy of the knowledge ! :p

[wind ermine]

A locked voice channel, likely for people with permission to use for casting when they are live so rando's can't hop in the channel

[surreal pecan]

Cool.

[jagged flume]

Well ysee I got real sick like so I'm gonna not do it this month

[raven fern]

Rodger that, hope you get better soon!

[vital spindle]

Aw damn, hope you’re not sick for too long

[jagged flume]

However I do know that it'll be a 1v1 tournament where you only get 1 ship choice. No counterpicking room whatsoever

[desert sky]

WUT

[jagged flume]

Probably a swiss style tournament (have fun looking that up) since round robins are ludicrously lengthy lol

[vital spindle]

Really? Time to bring a TB rail and get absolutely hammered by an ultra heavy DC

[desert sky]

all the game would be played before we have time to play ;-;

[jagged flume]

What would you prefer two ship slots and a ban system?

@desert sky

[surreal pecan]

Aww, feels bad. Hope you'll get better soon.

[surreal pecan]

That sounds really darn cool and out of the ordinary, but... Won't this force a weird situation where players would much rather go with a safe choice for a ship that counters the the largest amount of ships?

...And the entire tournament will be the same two or three ships fighting each other.

[hollow socket]

being missiles and rails

[jagged flume]

How is that not interesting

[wind ermine]

What kind of ship counters everything?

[jagged flume]

Mirror matches are by far the best ones to watch

[surreal pecan]

The same exact ships for 500 times?

[surreal pecan]

Okay I do agree with this. Mirrors are cool.

[hollow socket]

the one that costs 3m

[surreal pecan]

Combiner.

[wind ermine]

I guarantee no you won't see everyone show up with the same type of ship

[raven fern]

I'm down to try something different. Worst case scenario people don't like it and we go back to the old system

[jagged flume]

Exactly

[surreal pecan]

Me too I guess.

I'll need a good ship though.

All my ships are very niche and have a specific usage at best, are awful at worst.

I guess my best ones.

Even they're just experimental nonsense.

But they work pretty well.

[jagged flume]

Exactly it's an interesting building challenge and we get to appreciate everyone's ingenuity and ship choices

[wind ermine]

and watch the people who bring TB rails dominate

[jagged flume]

Missile orbiters, one of the best and easiest to use ships, easily beat them if you exchange a few thrusters for armor

[wind ermine]

Someone brings a surprise PD wall and sweeps the tourney

[jagged flume]

Rail or nuke spinner could probably do good work too

Or yeah PD walls are a legitimate consideration

[raven fern]

I bet we're going to see a spinner using a beacon to jump in the middle

[wind ermine]

uggghhhh noooo

beacon play is boring and jumps take way too long

[sweet saffron]

hehehehe

[hollow socket]

we have beacons now?

[raven fern]

yeah

[hollow socket]

when'd that happen

[sweet saffron]

dropped today

[hollow socket]

I have some devious things for that

[surreal pecan]

Oh baby it's alpha rail time.

Just kidding I'm not that bold, won't repeat Forder's mistake.

Alpha rails are able to counter a few powerful builds though, especially ones that don't bother with excessive armor and shield spam.

I've cut clean through a few ion orbiters lol.

[rough oracle]

no counter picking? this is gonna make things real exciting

[surreal pecan]

...And way less draggy of a match.

[rough oracle]

really, no 1.5M ship is a counter to everything

[surreal pecan]

Just ready and go.

[rough oracle]

no matter what you make with that, a design will always beat it

[surreal pecan]

Proof that once again, there is no definitive META in Cosmoteer.

[sweet saffron]

there's definitely a non-META

[white apex]

tb rails w/ missiles should counter everything w/ perfect piloting i think

[vital spindle]

Wouldn’t hold your breath for it

[raven fern]

There are some meta builds in the sense that some of them will beat more ship types than the others

[vital spindle]

Ultraheavy and kites would not be fun to fight with that setup

And combined with the fact you get less armor because of missiles I would say it would actually be weaker

[hollow socket]

depends on where

[white apex]

hide behind rock for 20 min

missile is to counter pd

[vital spindle]

💀

I mean yeah for a kite you can just sit behind a rock until RoD

You don’t really need missiles for that

[snow seal]

3 ships and a ban?

[white apex]

for pd walls u do

[sweet saffron]

wdym by bans?

[vital spindle]

PD walls you just flip

[snow seal]

u are disallowed to use that ship

[white apex]

ehhh if they're fast enough it's really hard

[vital spindle]

And no missiles will not get through a properly piloted PD wall, it is literally what it is designed to counter

[vital spindle]

They usually do have structure at the front though to help give PD time

Making it a lot easier to flip

[white apex]

missiles and rails together counters pd quite nicely

[vital spindle]

I don’t doubt that but for a pd wall they are quite easy to flip or just kill outright with rails if they don’t have structure, even if they are fast they have to ram to deal any significant damage

For kites it’s just not super practical, they won’t get close enough to be damaged by missiles and the shields protect the PD

[white apex]

???? pd wall can just kite the tb and block the rails?

[vital spindle]

And deal no damage to the ship

RoD will close and they will be forced to get up close to the ship, getting flipped

[white apex]

2-4 misisle modules can usually kill in time but i haven't played for a while so idk

[hollow socket]

My plan works

[serene latch]

the one tournament i'd probably do well in is the one that i can't really attend cause ap exams LMFAO

i might be able to do it if it's on the 22nd

[hazy brook]

I use two 750K DC cruisers and they seem to do well

[raven fern]

they do well, they don't counter everything

[serene latch]

i've been able to beat them with orbiter wall

[desert sky]

honestly yes

3 ship like in nouvember seems perfect to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

at least the matchs are not decided before the game start

[jagged flume]

3 ships would require 2 bans to prevent counterpicking

[surreal pecan]

*PD is to counter missile.

[surreal pecan]

...And then somebody brings an ionship or a blaster ship and utterly eviscerates the PD wall. But I guess ionships have a lot of counters... Avoider is a must though, and a blaster orbiter wall would be a phenomenal counter as well.

Oh I'm sorry forgot to turn off the ping

[snow seal]

saris how many rounds will there be?

[jagged flume]

Shrug

[surreal pecan]

Best of 3 probably, as it always is...

[snow seal]

if it's 3 rounds u could have 3 ships, and each person pics the order of the 3 ships that are used by their opponent

[surreal pecan]

That'd be cool.

[snow seal]

wait still counterpickable

nvm

[wind ermine]

like a reverse RPS where you pick your opponent's choice for them lol

[white apex]

missile+rail counters pd

[surreal pecan]

Huh how nifty.

[desert hornet]

I hope that there arent many morbiter mirrors. Those are exceptionally boring.

[hollow socket]

Nah

It's exciting as the morbiter players get to say, 'it's morb-ing time'

[surreal pecan]

IT'S MORBIN' TIME-

dies

[vital spindle]

Shoo

[noble cradle]

👀

[jagged flume]

I'm awake again (circumstances are weird). You interested in that particular arrangement?

[noble cradle]

It is completely insane and I am extremely interested to see how it will turn out.

[jagged flume]

I hope it's positively regarded. It can't be a disaster but some may find it boring...

[serene latch]

was there ever an announcement?

[jagged flume]

It's gonna be next month. I was sick during the beginning of the month and don't like announcing tournaments only a week out

[serene latch]

ah i see

[surreal pecan]

Oh wow, I can't believe Oem is actually back and active again.

I've only heard legends about them.

[snow seal]

oems been lurking

iirc he's trying to get cosmoteer to run via wine

[surreal pecan]

Oh wow.

[upbeat ridge]

ohohoho proton already has issues w it

watch as it means swarms are allowrd and oem wins

[desert sky]

i actually wanna fight oem swarms it sounds fun

[desert sky]

is wine a software or does this guy actually wanna run cosmoteer with alcohol

[surreal pecan]

Isn't Oem apparently a grandmaster at multitasking ships?

[chilly barn]

Proton has actually had no issues with me, but I guess it's more your milage may vary

[desert hornet]

it will be next month, not this

[surreal pecan]

That was my immediate question too lol.

[serene latch]

i've been told

[errant forge]

So tournamemt will be at the end of the may?

Elim 1v1?

[raven fern]

Sounds like it

[errant forge]

Well... finnaly i need to make some elim ships and maybe take part in the tourney

[rough oracle]

Nice

[surreal pecan]

Uhm... What single ship would ya'll suggest me to exert all my attention onto?

The single most versatile ship in the game?

I will not play a missile orbiter whatever ya'll will make me to, don't even say that >:(

Otherwise I'd be down to play with anything else.

[stone zephyr]

Tb rail?

[white apex]

tb rail orbi w/ pd

[stone zephyr]

(Idk if that's actually most versatile)

That was meant for my message

[white apex]

it beats basically everything other than other rails w/ perfect piloting

[surreal pecan]

Really?

I might try a TB rail orbiter wall and get better with it...?

Not sure.

[surreal pecan]

Regular TB rail orbi is kinda lame honestly.

[desert hornet]

pinch'o nuke

[hollow socket]

You saw right through my plan

[raven fern]

Oh you know it 😉

[desert hornet]

its probably what im going to do tbh

[snow seal]

excuse me

[surreal pecan]

Apology accepted.

Seriously though, I am personally not a fan of tractorbeam rail orbiters. They have quite a weird squashed shape to them honestly, and I consider them less stylish, more unfair railfans. Just my opinion on the subject.

[snow seal]

@-@ why are you criticizing ships with weird shapes?

also how can a ship be unfair

[sweet saffron]

idk, why do people hate rail kites

[snow seal]

because it's boring

[desert hornet]

TB rail isnt an easy win nor teadious to fight against. Its an archetype with a very low skill flor and very high ceeling that not many people can use to its best effect. On the otherhand, anyone with 3 braincells can make a kite and be annoying, even if in the end they wil lose.

(why are we making this argument with tb rail anyway, morbiters are way worse)

[surreal pecan]

Hey 80% of my ship catalog is ion orbiters of course I hate them.

[surreal pecan]

I am not criticizing. I just don't like how they look and playing with them feels horribly janky, I've tried a few times with rail orbiters made by other people.

[white apex]

m orbi and rail kite have decent skill ceilings

[desert hornet]

not saying that isnt the case, but imo they are much more boring than tb rails

[raven fern]

Rail kites have a skill ceiling? 🤔

[snow seal]

i think saris said somewhere that 0neye can consistently beat him with a kite while others can't so.... 0neye knows something that we dont

[raven fern]

Oneye is just built different

[white apex]

there r soooo many targeting techs

and keeping ur thrust warm

[azure goblet]

I think he was referring to one time when he was testing different traps against Crucible. The two things that helped me win were:

1. Using RTS controls allowed me to always see where his ships as well as asteroids were
2. Timing rail fans to hit right after EMP strikes was critical to negating his shields and enabling one-shots with only 4 rails

[hollow socket]

Oneye is a bit unbalanced, might need balance changes in the future

[raven fern]

Maybe he should play with a hand tied behind his back. Make a post in #1019739575683399840 about it?

[serene latch]

heh, my first railfan ship was tb nuke rail

[surreal pecan]

Lol.

My first railfan was an aesthetic ship and my first competitive railfan was an alpha rail.

Yeah a well-made alpha rail could be a cool thing in the tournament.

Counters quite a lot of things.

If you can oneshot there's no point in bothering about anything else.

Only real counters are large shield spam, armor spam and...

Uhm...

[serene latch]

multiple modules

[surreal pecan]

Riiight.

[surreal pecan]

But splitting avoiders into pieces and then picking those off is fuuuun ;-;

But there's a big concern. THE ROOOCK

People can just rock camp which is boring.

[serene latch]

emp

[icy oxide]

My first was nuke rail orbiter

[white apex]

my first was orbiter rail/missile traps w/ pd

[surreal pecan]

Why EMP

[surreal pecan]

Always showed PD obsession didn't ya.

[white apex]

u need the pd to counter some things

[surreal pecan]

Exclusively HE missiles. Literally the grandest hardcounter of all time.

But HE missiles are incredibly strong otherwise, so...

Oh yeah PD do good job against cannon rounds as well, but if you want to shoot down rails then you'll need to invest in A LOOOT of PD.

[hazy brook]

use a PD wall

[serene latch]

loses to everything with lasers

or ions

[hazy brook]

and rails too

dont forget the rails

[snow seal]

it depends

[vital spindle]

TB rail it loses

Normal railfan it wins depending on piloting

[surreal pecan]

Definitely not a versatile ship. It's the kind of ship that I'd describe as ''Fully hardcounters some things but gets brutally massacred by the things it can't fully hardcounter.''

[desert hornet]

and the thing it cant fully hard counter is pretty much everything

[surreal pecan]

Missile ships.

[desert hornet]

so slap some pd on your whatever

[hazy brook]

lol i was meming

[snow seal]

saris u gonna post the sign up for may tourney?

[jagged flume]

Actually working on that right now, I need to set up the tournament organizer given that they need to handle the ship submissions as I'm intent on participating

[stone zephyr]

is it going to be one ship only as talked about before

[jagged flume]

Yes

[surreal pecan]

Anyways, I sure hope that this tournament won't be a disaster and won't crash and burn...

Because the fact that you can only grab a singular ship really hinders creativity in my eyes. Whatever underappreciated archetype you choose, rest assured, you will eventually meet a hardcounter.

That's the biggest problem I see in it- Many potential "death by hardcounter."

[jagged flume]

The bracket will actually be of a swiss tournament style, essentially a round robin with less rounds

Having a single ship type definitely wouldn't work with a standard bracket

[surreal pecan]

I really dislike victories where it is decided by a hardcounter unstead of raw skill.

[surreal pecan]

Oh really?

Cool. I do not know what that means though, could you elaborate?.. Or at least info in the announcement thing when you finish making that.

[jagged flume]

Round one - Everybody randomly pairs off
Two - People with a victory fight people with a victory, same with loss
Three - People with two victories fight people with two victories, and so on

How many rounds will occur remains to be seen based on participants, and might even be downgraded to a round robin if there's few enough people

[white apex]

could ppl have more ships to choose as the rounds go on?

[jagged flume]

What's your reasoning behind that?

[white apex]

less ppl -> can spend more time per person

also i think getting hard countered would feel worse later on in the tourney than at the beginning where u can recover

[surreal pecan]

Yeah.

[snow seal]

how would it work with like 17 players?

[surreal pecan]

If working with ions has taight me anything multiple of 2= good anything else= bad.

[snow seal]

are odd players given a free win?

[surreal pecan]

No idea lol.

[white apex]

they get a bye

[snow seal]

okay so odd players get a by for round 1

who do they fight round2? they have 0:0 which everyone else is 1:0 or 0:1

[stone zephyr]

are groups of ships going to be allowed? or will it just have to be one ship file connected by ec

[jagged flume]

One loadout so up to five ships, but if you pick those five ships you can't pick anything else or exchange any of them

[stone zephyr]

makes sense

I feel like thisll be interesting cause it encourages building a ship with the least possible bad matchups

although you could just get hard countered and have a bad time

[snow seal]

so whats the plan if one of these boxes has an odd number

[vivid ore]

can you show that in a size so we can actually read it ?
what does the first box represent?

[snow seal]

oh

left most box has 16 players for 8 fights

everyone in a green box has 0 losses, yellow 1, red 2

[vivid ore]

Will it be 3 wins or losses between the same players? Or you get three different matchups?

[snow seal]

u will always fight a different player

if u advance, i think it'll go to a normal bracket and maybe u end up fighting someone u fought already

i wonder if day1 is all 33 swiss games then day2 is double elim

assuming 16 players..

[vivid ore]

Would be nice if having the same matchup only happens if unavoidable.

Long shot request: what about disallowing "Tractor Beams"?

[jagged flume]

Why

[snow seal]

????? bruh

[snow seal]

btw saris whats the plan if any of these boxes have an odd number of players?

[vivid ore]

the only thing that have hardly any loss in the rock paper scissors game.

[snow seal]

and day1/day2 plan

[snow seal]

just bring a missile barge u win easy

kite

[vivid ore]

will check that - not that i have no barges 😉

[jagged flume]

Tractor beams lose to avoiders rarely, missile/nuke orbiters/barges consistently, other railfans or railkites, and DC or ion rammers with ludicrous amounts of thrust

[vivid ore]

in my expierience tho once you get into TB your ship gets turned around and you die ...

[snow seal]

sorry but kinda sounds like a skill issue

[jagged flume]

You typically don't add enough thrust and typically not any amount of rear thrust, leading to you getting as close as possible which then amplifies the effectiveness of their tractor beams

For whatever it's worth

[snow seal]

?

[vivid ore]

... avoiders might be one of the best ship types curently ... i even have countered the classic missile orbiter ...

[jagged flume]

Goodluck convincing anyone I've been trying

[vivid ore]

i did kill a TB rail with a nuke barge - but i do not know if it weas due to the opponend not knowing how to spin ships with TB.

[snow seal]

barges are hard to flip because they are thin

[vivid ore]

Since im back in the game i will try to schedule in the may tourney. THe two days plan makes that harder tho.

[jagged flume]

Two days is preferable to a 4+ hour session

If it helps they'll be on the 13th and 20th at the same times as last time

[snow seal]

what was that again? 11am pst?

[vivid ore]

Helps a bit that it is split to two weekends.

@jagged flume What a bout "Blind" ship picking? (Overlay or blur the ship selection part of the lobby in the stream.)

Generally i wonder how it affects tourney that there is much less PVP happeneing htese days then in the classic days ...

[jagged flume]

That won't change anything for the players and you can only use one ship (loadout) anyway

[vivid ore]

ok gues sihave to read the new rules 😊 about ship selecting

[snow seal]

#1020489415476396043 message

[vivid ore]

but missile barges lose to avoiders

[snow seal]

reread

i've been trying to ask saris what happens if there are an uneven amount of players

the message i linked isnt about missile barges

[desert sky]

the ones i won against must have real skill issue then lmao

(speaking of avoider)

[vivid ore]

kiting barge eventually ... also rly trying to be creative with new ship types, hopefully not generating a new meta monster like i did with missile orbiters.

[snow seal]

what??? i'm not talking about missile barges

[vivid ore]

... boosters beeing intersting, potentially able to catch an avoider ...

[vivid ore]

so then tell us about what?

[snow seal]

dude read what i said

[snow seal]

^^

i'm asking saris what happens if he has a plan if the amount of contestants isn't a nice number

[vivid ore]

i do not get it sry 🤷‍♂️

[snow seal]

i'm asking saris what happens if he has a plan if the amount of contestants isn't a nice number

i'm asking saris what happens if he has a plan if the amount of contestants isn't a nice number

i'm asking saris what happens if he has a plan if the amount of contestants isn't a nice number

i'm asking saris what happens if he has a plan if the amount of contestants isn't a nice number

[vivid ore]

sry read the link wrong because it was scrolling to the mention about barges - sry that all i think about is barges 🙃

[raven fern]

Speaking of Saris, apparently he was looking for a ping checker? Why not just use the well known speed tester Ookla? It shows ping/download/upload and you can specify a server for the test
Here we can see that I picked the Inoc Data Centers in Albany, New York

A server closest to the tournament's host location could be chosen and every participant would be asked to provide a screenshot like I have with the specified server. They should make sure to hide the IP address on the bottom left though.

[snow seal]

he already found one

[raven fern]

Nvm then

[snow seal]

#1100907793860526112 message

[jagged flume]

I appreciate it anyway, I'll use it for future reference.

We'll cross that bridge when it's burning Salephz

[surreal pecan]

I always wondered, what happens if a true tie occurs in a tournament?

Obviously that is an extremely rare occurrence that has prob never happened in a Tournament before, but what's the failsafe against it? Another match?

[raven fern]

Either that or they are both crowned winners

[surreal pecan]

I think they deserve to.

I can't stress how rare draws are in this game.

[errant forge]

The swiss system looks complicated.. personally i prefer normal system like was in previous 1v1 elim tournament

[serene latch]

won't work with 1 ship only though, as everyone would just be hardcountered

[jagged flume]

In a regular bracket it would largely reduce it to luck given the nature of hard counters

[hollow socket]

Could be enjoyable enough

It definitely means that a losing player at the very start did not spend their preparation time only to lose first within the first 20 minutes of the tournament

[naive lion]

I'm all for switching things up, a swiss tournament sounds cool.

[vivid ore]

haha 😛

[snow seal]

press forfiet when u lose

i dont want emps shooting down my thrust while fighting someone else

okay???

also that's a nuke barge not missile barge that u brought and u have no kiting capability anyways

luke ur flak are shooting random people

press forfiet

@vivid ore

[desert sky]

i smell a game

[snow seal]

WOW @vivid ore WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT YOU ACTUALLY CAUSED PRZY TO LOSE A GAME BECAUSE U DIDNT FORFIET

[sweet saffron]

aight aight, hold your horses there buddy

[snow seal]

the flak shot the crew quarters and then the cr turned off

i wonder what happened

[desert sky]

lmfao

[raven fern]

What he said
Should be interesting

[vivid ore]

sry i was afk

[rough oracle]

A Swiss format for tournaments? Sounds fun ngl.

[surreal pecan]

Honestly yeah, I absolutely love how members have more than one chance now, so they won't have to just get countered.

I can not imagine the pain of getting hardcountered all three times and getting disqualified because of that

[serene latch]

..ouch

[upbeat ridge]

i love voting

[hazy brook]

NOOOO

MY WEAKNESS

[snow seal]

ship as in fleet

but for most elim players their fleet is just 1 ship

[surreal pecan]

Yes.

Unless somebody goes with a cheesy trap.

[desert sky]

trap who don't kite my beloved

[surreal pecan]

Kite traps are really rare I think. Or at least when both trap pieces are kites.

Kite rammer hybrids are not so much.

[solemn obsidian]

Hey guys, the next tournament will be team 2v2 or solo 1v1?

[surreal pecan]

Solo.

[solemn obsidian]

Oh, thanks

[desert hornet]

probably to account for the reduced playerbase

[snow seal]

saris said multiple times

it's because railorbi meta was too boring

[desert hornet]

oh ye your right

[surreal pecan]

;-;

Combiner gaming was fun though.

[desert hornet]

you can always organize your own

[surreal pecan]

Hmmmmmmm

[raven fern]

A combiner only tournament? 👀

[rough oracle]

I would love to see that

So many possibilities, and we have already seen a few combiner examples already

[surreal pecan]

Precisely what I thought of.

[surreal pecan]

Royal Pointer soon™️

[hollow socket]

Mega missile orbiter is soon to be with that

1.5m thrust, armour, and 1.5m missiles

[raven fern]

Already have one, pretty fun

[hollow socket]

Until Walt fixes combining that is

No armour phasing

[raven fern]

I asked him about that, he has no intention on doing so unless some separate changes to the collision detection algorithm breaks locking in the future
Armor phasing?

[hollow socket]

Hmmm

[surreal pecan]

I have invented a bugless way to fuse ships together >:)

...That does not involve hooks.

[surreal pecan]

Majik

[hollow socket]

Hooks

[stone zephyr]

If locking becomes not possible then another way to lock would be blowing up something to make its hit box rectangular instead of a triangle

So combiners would essentially always work in some way or another

[surreal pecan]

PRECISELY!

I found this little feature completely by myself a few months ago, back when I didn't know how to make combiners (I.E. The phase-locking) work.

[young jacinth]

Where is the sign up for the tournament?

Or does it only become available later?

[surreal pecan]

No idea :)

[snow seal]

saris hasnt opened a forum for it yet

[naive lion]

@jagged flume how and when should we submit our ship for the tournement?

[jagged flume]

DM me

[raven fern]

What's the deadline for submitting our ship?

[jagged flume]

Until the sign up time on the date of the tournament, but you can update your ships accordingly before that date

[past fiber]

Am I not allowed to participate because of ping?

[jagged flume]

I unfortunately have to say yes. I'm really unhappy that some people have to be excluded, but the event becomes a huge drag when people have to wait for stuttering matches

[past fiber]

Will this rule apply to all tournaments now?

[jagged flume]

I don't think so. I'm trying to research ways to diminish lag and such in the mean time

It's likely in the future that I'll just save all the .rec files and then the tournament highlights will be smooth and maybe even recasted?

[naive lion]

How will the maximum ping be enforced for those who sign up? So far, ping checking has been voluntary.

[jagged flume]

Disqualification I guess

I would hope that everybody participating would have sufficient respect for the event and everybody else involved to not join regardless, because this is supposed to make for a more entertaining event

[naive lion]

Like, will you be asking each person who signs up to submit a ping report before being allowed to participate?

[jagged flume]

Nope

[sweet saffron]

ping would change based on the players in the lobby though right? (reminder that I still don't play pvp)

[snow seal]

ping is the connection to the host

if my connection to saris is 50ms, someone else joining saris' lobby wont change that

[tough prism]

well because of the syncing, it would

[tough prism]

if the guy was worse tho

[sweet saffron]

terminology technicality totality

[snow seal]

my connection to saris wont change

[tough prism]

no

[snow seal]

it is unaffected by other players

[tough prism]

it would not

but

the game itself would slow

[snow seal]

the overall game speed might be slower

[tough prism]

yeah

[snow seal]

but my connection to saris would not change

[tough prism]

pretty much

[snow seal]

dude why did u even bring that up

pointless argument

[tough prism]

because the game slowing down is pretty much lag, just without your network being the problem

[snow seal]

iontinker is not asking about game speed changing

[tough prism]

the whole thing with ping is that it slows down your game

[snow seal]

he was asking about the ping

[tough prism]

ah, ping spicifically

not what it is related to

ok

[sweet saffron]

meh was more thinking of the game speed

[tough prism]

I was over here thinking by ping, iontinker was talking about how a person will lag your game despite having a good connection

[tough prism]

ah

so I was right

[snow seal]

u did not phrase it that way

[tough prism]

same

that's what I was thinking

a bit of confusing wording

[sweet saffron]

yeah uh... I noticed

tried to hint with my second message that I used the wrong word

[tough prism]

no worries, we are all equally stupid, so it happens to everyone

[jagged flume]

@tough prism keep discussion here please

[tough prism]

oop

[jagged flume]

Also unfortunately no

[tough prism]

🤦

[tough prism]

aww

that's unfortunate

[sweet saffron]

?

[tough prism]

was asking to move the tournamant date by one day because my brother would be having his birthday on the 20th

[vocal cloak]

How to check ping?

[rough oracle]

Saris gave instructions in the may tournament document

[vocal cloak]

250ms average

welp i cant join then

[past fiber]

During this tournament, there were no lags from me, although there was the same ping: https://www.youtube.com/live/uSzcm3T6koc?feature=share#t=35m55s

[jagged flume]

If i click at a random time of 44 minutes in https://youtu.be/uSzcm3T6koc?t=2650 I can already see you stuttering in this match

[past fiber]

Then I apologize

[jagged flume]

You don't need to apologize for anything

[surreal pecan]

I don't know what Hillsboro is but I have slightly over 200 ping there according to this thingy.

So close yet so far 🥹

That too much to participate?

I'd go as far as to say that 190 is a little too low of a maximum.

What is impressive is that I have such good connection in the US despite living on the other side of the world.

💪 MIGHTY POTATO

[vocal cloak]

having backup host outside of NA would be nice for the next tourney

[surreal pecan]

Outside of Na?

What's na.

[vocal cloak]

abbreviation for North America

[desert sky]

that lag? i call that regular

honestly i belive this tourney would have less lag not due to ping limit but mostly due to 1v1 and not 2v2 anymore

[bright anchor]

Pong

I'm alive! Gateway latency: 48 ms RTT time: 658

[tough prism]

huh

[errant forge]

Thats sick how many people cant participate because of connecting to fucking NA...

Tbh connecting to London would be much better for people from Russia, Georgia.. Like Gnus and Nick
Also most of usa is pretty close to London

Only CA may have problems with connecting to London..
But "poor" americans dont care about rest of people like gnus, tonieyay, kine and nick

Or maybe just Vint Hills instead of fucking Oregon

[errant forge]

That may help a lot

[sweet saffron]

I’m pretty sure the reason that high ping isn’t allowed this time is because the last tourney lasted way longer than expected and made it a lot less enjoyable to watch

[surreal pecan]

Raise the ping roof to like 250ms, that's not even that bad.

[white apex]

have a different host then

also even though i have good ping whenever i'm in dc mode and saris is there i start lagging for no reason

[surreal pecan]

We need to hire a British host 🇬🇧

Force Saris to move to Britain is most likely not a choice

[white apex]

btw currently flak has a bug, @narrow path could we get a hotfix for the price before the tourney

[desert sky]

...

[surreal pecan]

One if the rules say "don't ping Walt for technical support."

😳

[raven fern]

Mad much? How about you host and cast for the tournament then? Because I haven't heard of any other volunteers

[white apex]

this is a bug fix that affects the tourney

[surreal pecan]

Make a bug report.

Oh wait you have.

[vocal cloak]

i dont think any of the organizer is from that area so we need a new volunteer for that

[errant forge]

im eastern europe

you dont want to connect with eastern EU

[surreal pecan]

Mhm

Or Americans will whine to death.

...Even though they're mostly fine with others suffering with internet issues.

Imagine if the host was in Eastern Europe or Western Asia and people with low pi g would get banned. American would probably start a riot.

[raven fern]

I'm going to be honest, keep that kind of crap and thoughtless statements out of here. Because it serves absolutely nobody and doesn't further any approach towards a solution.

The only reason we're having a tournament is because Saris is going to take time out of his WE to organise one for us. Tough luck for some, he lives in the US so not everyone will have a sufficient ping to participate.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but anyone can apply to organise a tournament. I believe there was a pinned post somewhere on how to do so with some requirements.
So find someone in a more desirable location to host and cast a future tournament and be done with this nonsense.

[naive lion]

Chastising others purely based on where they were born and live might as well be racism

[serene latch]

honestly yea if you want a tournament then go host one, i've done it lol

[surreal pecan]

Yes I agree but why are you making a big deal out of what was a joke? I was not serious a single bit.

How could I? The November tournament was hosted in an undesirable time frame for Americans.

[raven fern]

Then make sure it sounds like one as I wasn't the only one to interpret it differently

So? You can make a tournament that will be aimed towards a different continent such as Asia, there are no rules against it. The host also makes his own rules so you can decide what kind of tournament system will be used, minimum ping if any, and the time it will take place

[surreal pecan]

Of course the host makes their own rules :)

[desert hornet]

I would host since im in western europe, but don't have the hardware to do it. Whinning about it won't do anything either, the best thing would be to look for a european host willing to do that.

Also, if we can't find a western european host there's no problem with a central/eastern host since the main objective would be to organize a tournament for europeans.

[surreal pecan]

Oooh, where do you live.

[desert hornet]

pain but with the s

[surreal pecan]

...So, am I barred from tournament because 200 ping?

[desert hornet]

guess so

[odd zealot]

I live in europe so if you want i can help

[surreal pecan]

hm

[jagged flume]

I'm... I'm sorry that this is something I have to try. I feel awful already that due to circumstances some people just can't connect to me

If people are this... likely understandably upset about it, it may be better to just wait for longer to try and find a superior solution

[odd zealot]

Just keep in mind that i can be the europe host.

[raven fern]

I feel like this tournament deserves to go on as it is since it will be an experimentation with a different tournament system. Having a connection requirement is divisive but not necessarily wrong as it has been pointed out numerous times that laggy duels is neither fun to play nor watch for the viewers on the stream and then later on Youtube
We can always find and try a different approach for the next one

We can have a European host or one from another location but the potential lag problem will still persist with certain players. There's no perfect solution besides organizing several tournaments and alternating hosts from various locations where we have a significant population of our player base

[desert hornet]

if this tournament goes well in terms of lag the barrier could be dropped and so on until there's a good compromise between participation and lag

[errant forge]

The main issue i see is hosting in western US

East wpuld be much bettsr

[jagged flume]

I agree entirely

[desert hornet]

Yup. If it was western US i would have around 120

[surreal pecan]

Western USA is basically far from any place other than the US itself.

[white apex]

have someone move the earth's core for equaller ping

*to

[sweet saffron]

demand Walt set up servers in various locations specifically for tournaments

[raven fern]

Not feasible

[sweet saffron]

but moving the earths core is?

[raven fern]

Of course!

[sweet saffron]

pfft biased

[surreal pecan]

^^

Lol.

[desert hornet]

i mean the russians got over a fourth of the way there 30 years ago, the rest can't be that hard, right?

[past fiber]

The main thing is not to get to the demons

[surreal pecan]

A forth of the way lol?

It wouldn't even be like 50th of the way to the core.

[desert hornet]

shit tru

[surreal pecan]

It was 1/4 of the way to the mantle.

[desert hornet]

confused meters and kilometers

[surreal pecan]

And the outer mantle, the Lithosphere at that.

[narrow path]

what's the bug?

[surreal pecan]

@white apex Time to shine Walt recognized you.

[timid current]

i believe the bug is that flak calculates its price as if was loaded with 6 stacks of ammo instead of 4

i haven't verified it personally but that seems to be the gist of it

[jagged flume]

Flak's blueprint price is different from it's real price

So I've heard anyway

[vivid ore]

Does the rule: "Do not replace or edit the visual appearance of your ship in any way" relate to the preview thumbnail?
... otherwise i would not know what is meant by it.

[white apex]

preview thumbnail yeah

[white apex]

flak blueprint thinks it has 2 extra ammo squares so it costs more in bp mode (which is what selecting a ship for the tourney uses)

[vivid ore]

i have had no problem with flak and credits calcualtion.

[narrow path]

oh right, thanks for the reminder

[white apex]

place a flak and fill it up, then compare blueprint mode and normal prices

[vivid ore]

i did and it is always the same price? (2 credits below 1.5mil.)
maybe some hiccups with factories? they do not load their produce when you restock all resources.

[white apex]

try it w/ this, it has 0 factories so price is constant

[vivid ore]

the price does not fluctuate for me - always the same

[white apex]

huh

on the price that's inside the triangle in the right

[vivid ore]

i tried this with a ship/blueprint that is just one flak - it works

[vivid ore]

yes it is one price - FLAK = 14.528 in library, in blueprint mode, everywhere.

[white apex]

libary and bp mode r the same

once u load it in the price drops

even w/ out factories