Tournament Chat

[surreal pecan]

Yeah make baby ship matches a thing please. I've seen many, I've taken part in many, and not only are they insanely interesting, but can also get very intense, strategic and overall encourage more experimentation with the builds and tacics utilized.

*Tactics

[odd zealot]

I think that 350k tournament would be interestinf and faster.

[sharp bane]

imagine people bring battery ships and everyone stalemates after losing power lol

[odd zealot]

i mean

It could happen

A rule can be made to lets say you need to have one ship[ with a reactor.

[sweet saffron]

could we get mini matches for inbetween real rounds

[desert sky]

won't that just slow down everything

[sweet saffron]

idk that’s why I ask

[odd zealot]

i mean you can set up lobbies betwen the tournament so

[upbeat ridge]

you mean the first rounds

[white apex]

scrimmages :D

[surreal pecan]

That's why reactored ships aren't complete poodoo.

You could also be extra cheeky and bring EMPs.

Instantly over for reactor squibs

[sharp bane]

battery ships with massive armour anti-emp cages then

[surreal pecan]

Hmm. Would basically waste all the money that not having a reactor would save them to begin with, plus without the advantages that come with having UUUNLIMITED POWWWWAAAAR!!

[raven fern]

Sorry, I had to

[surreal pecan]

👍

[autumn maple]

@thin dagger where is the design competition submission chat

nvm

why no dedicated chat anymore tho :(

[thin dagger]

https://discord.com/channels/314103695568666625/1059085469708734515

[thin dagger]

there are dedicated threads to the design competition

[reef bloom]

3m fights aren’t that long

3m tourney next hopefully

Imagine if I won with an unpainted brick lmao

[raven fern]

I'd prefer to keep it at 1.5m. Everyone prepares ships at 1.5mil.. I doubt players have a lot of ships above that price range
But that's just my take

[reef bloom]

Then they would make them

[reef bloom]

I doubt many would have 300k or 100k ships either

[raven fern]

But the time investment to make ships in that price range isn't high

[reef bloom]

You can’t really make a good ship with that

[reef bloom]

Neither is 3m if you spam

[raven fern]

Tournament would hardly be worth watching in that case

[reef bloom]

You can make good ships with spam

[raven fern]

Anyways, you want it, I don't. It is what it is ^^

[reef bloom]

Fair enough

[rough oracle]

The reality is, most tournaments are going to be 1.5M or lower

Always been like that

[reef bloom]

Things can change

[desert hornet]

3m will be rails/ions/missiles/deck cannons because they can scale their defense. Cannons and lasers cant do that

[reef bloom]

And?

nobody uses cannons

hls aren’t effective at that scale anyway

[rough oracle]

If it's been that way for many years, no real reason to expand the budget by that much

1.75M? More likely to happen

[reef bloom]

Look I just wanna use 3m brick in competitive

[sharp bane]

I would rather see this sort of thing in a shared price team tournament than as its own thing with required 3m ships

[rough oracle]

Rip

[desert hornet]

when 2/5 of the weapons being used normally cant be used it resutst in less ship variety, specially when factoring that lasers are used by far the most archetypes compared to any other weapon.

[rough oracle]

Yeah, a fusion of ships would definitely make that a reality when in a tag team

Like the tournament combiner kite

[desert hornet]

or spinner

or rail fan

or ion barge

[reef bloom]

Oh well then I’ll get a teammate to use a 100k ship and use a brick anyway

[rough oracle]

Good luck

[desert hornet]

gl convincing your teammate

[rough oracle]

Assuming the tournament is set where the team controls who uses what % of budget

[sharp bane]

brick has to be fast enough to catch other ships or long range enough to engage with other ships regardless

[white apex]

ez dodge

[stiff tinsel]

GameKnight and I would 100% be down for another team tournament…

[surreal pecan]

Dodge... EMP?!

That's the neat thing, EMP is like a boomerang. It COMES BACK.

[sweet saffron]

EMPs are like a certain afton fella

[snow seal]

emp doesn't always come back

he does

[surreal pecan]

Oh we finally get to know EMP's gender :DDD

[snow seal]

high explosive missiles will more often boomerang than emp

because they recieved a pathing buff while emps didn't

[surreal pecan]

Yeah, very sad.

That's why I'm saying that all different types of missiles should have their own kind of pathing.

[white apex]

more dodgable than he l0ol

[jagged flume]

@kindred arrow

Hope you like the edit it's showing up in the highlights

[serene latch]

ooh a tournament highlights?

epic

[azure goblet]

BTW @narrow path it looks like @serene latch and I need the champion role.

[jagged flume]

I already pinged him 🥹

[snow seal]

will old tourney winners lose their roles?

[surreal pecan]

IIII Don't get it

[kindred arrow]

Damn, I’m looking hot jk, great edit tho^^

[kindred arrow]

I hope so, cuz‘ I’m feeling like I don‘t deserve it anymore

[surreal pecan]

Don't say that... You did amazing!

[kindred arrow]

Well let me put it that way… after steam release I wasn’t able to play how much I wanted and I lost interest pretty quick while others where grinding this game. That’s why I don’t want it anymore cuz other put way more effort then I did.

[surreal pecan]

I see... Pains me to hear that.

I've seen some older tournaments and you were an absolute BEAST!

[jagged flume]

Really I think you're fine Zquey. I'd prefer to have you here, regardless of time you spent prepping

Anyway, as for the 1v1 or 2v2 conundrum;

1v1s require a ship limit and banning system, which requires that ships be submitted so that they can be given to players during the tournament. The issue with this is that I am intent on participating in tournaments, so I cannot reasonably do this. It could be percieved, despite my stellar reputation, that I sabotage my competitor's ships, or study them and learn to counter them, both giving me an unfair advantage via my position as the tournament producer. However, it takes significant management for the weeks leading up to the event to process submitted ships, such that I don't want to saddle other people with such an intense amount of work.

This combination of factors means that until an alternative solution is established, tournaments will be 2v2s indefinitely. I am pinning this post such that if anyone has a solution or workaround they can suggest it.

Also worth mentioning that an alternative solution to counterpick loops than a banning system that doesn't rely on randomness, IE a countdown or turning previews off, would allow for 1v1s to take place again.

[snow seal]

why not have ivi do the ship stuff

[jagged flume]

IVIemories understandably doesn't want to do or be involved in the actual production due to the nightmare of management involved. I'd have to ask the tournament assistants like Atris or Fusion, but I feel as though that would be an unreasonable request

[sharp bane]

I would be open to helping but it depends on my plans for the month

[kindred arrow]

Same

[sharp bane]

I think I could run a tournament, just need to not have any pressing deadlines around that time

[hasty jolt]

I think most of the time you would probably be able to find someone that has the time to do the ship management stuff for you.

[sharp bane]

not being able to participate in the tournament definitely makes it more difficult, since most people who actually care also want to participate

[hasty jolt]

If anything, I have lots of time now and am not planning to participate in the tournament again.
I might not be very familiar with cosmoteer, but I'm fine with dealing with ship submissions if I am explained what to do with them.

[chilly barn]

I think there's still a lot of counter picking in 2v2s

Also another thing:
In my previous communication with saris, he said that I could use locking tech for this tournament, but only this one.
I believe that locking tech doesnt actually give that much of an advantage, but still agaisnt the rules I think
I'd love for it to not be agaisnt the rules, as it allows for more voltron ships and most people think its cool

[surreal pecan]

2v2s indefinitely?!

Oh my god...

That's both a blessing in disguise and a really risky thing at the same time.

[sharp bane]

wait, locking tech against the rules? why would it be? we've always done it as, if you can ship it, bring it

[jagged flume]

I overestimated how useful it would actually be, so it's fine

[jagged flume]

This has been the case... for the first time something is seen, typically derailing the tournament for the obvious exploit to sweep. Given the lack of power in locking tech it's not an issue

[sharp bane]

fair enough. I guess usually we can expect walt to fix things which greatly disrupt multiplayer after a tournament

if something ever can't be fixed for whatever reason and is a major exploit that becomes the only meta thing, it would definitely make sense to ban it in the next tournament though.

[jagged flume]

Explosion guns were banned as far as I remember, as were nuke flingers

[surreal pecan]

W H E W

Locking tech is one of the coolest ''bug'' that has ever come out in the game, it's one of the best things about 2v2 tournaments and banning it would make both playing and viewing the tourneys way less interesting.

[jagged flume]

I think their ought be a better effort to actually share how it works though, if it is being kept

[sharp bane]

iirc nuke flingers were fixed long before the next tournament, and explosion guns were nerfed heavily, but idk if they still existed in some form when the next tournament happened

[surreal pecan]

Wait, what's wrong with nuke flingers?

[sharp bane]

I remember when walt wanted to keep explosion guns in the game, just weaker, but one update or another eventually made even that obsolete

[surreal pecan]

They can be unfair but they require a lot of skill and setup... Right?

[surreal pecan]

What's an explosion gun...

[chilly barn]

🙂

[sharp bane]

explosion gun (timestamped) https://youtu.be/WWF2uutsJnA?t=5403

[chilly barn]

I'll make a doc on Sunday if you want

[jagged flume]

Infinite range unavoidable projectiles dealing huge damage is just so much fun y'know?

I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to deal with that

[surreal pecan]

Okay.

[surreal pecan]

Wow that's so cool!!

Now I'm sad you can't push nukes with TB any longer 😔

I don't see anything overpowered about it.

It's just a way to give nukes more range.

[sharp bane]

it wasn't nukes being pushed, it was their explosions

[surreal pecan]

They need a ton of setup so they aren't that worth it.

[surreal pecan]

Aah.

[sharp bane]

an armour pellet was propelled through 16x nukes, and the explosions inherited its momentum. The thing with explosions is that they disregard all armour and shields, they just deal full nuke damage to every part in their way.

[surreal pecan]

OH GOD.

I see why it was banned...

It's still an epic thing though.

I'd love to have seen it nerfed, like it didn't have to go through shields and armors or something.

[jagged flume]

Which is why it was okay for the one tournament

[surreal pecan]

God forbid I'm so happy that ion capacitors aren't overpowered or they'd be banned too...

[jagged flume]

Cool tech should be celebrated but not worshipped through exclusive usage is my take on it

[surreal pecan]

I am going to make an ion capacitor PvP ship...

[surreal pecan]

Yup.

[jagged flume]

Not a viable one lol

[surreal pecan]

The fact that things like 2 player contraptions and ULMSFs and what not exist is in my opinion what keeps the meta interesting and not completely stale.

Like, I'd rather see these weird ships be able to do something over just staring at railkites and DC rams smash at each other for 5 hours straight.

The fact that Cosmoteer competitive allows wacky experimentation like this is really cool and Walt should be proud he accidentally made such a thing...

It's rarely seen in other games' competitives, if ever.

[sharp bane]

also there's a very good reason that 2019 nuke flingers were quickly patched https://youtu.be/jJm0yqNELiY?t=1974

https://youtu.be/jJm0yqNELiY?t=11973

they had momentum boost range and could be autofired for pinpoint accuracy with zero effort from the player

so just... heavy artillery in cosmoteer, hits enemy as they spawn in

[surreal pecan]

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!!!

I don't see a case against Explosion cannons though.

They weren't really overpowered.

Just a neat abuse of game's system.

Should've been made into a feature to be honest

If you argue that it's overpowered, then there's a very good argument that railfans are OP too. Insanely good penetration and ability to burry through 500 layers of armor.

[sharp bane]

after walt made nuke explosions have limited lifetime damage, the explosion guns were fine

idk what change eventually broke them though

like how nuke mobile spinner forts used to be meta but are now a pale shadow of what they once were

lmao, I didn't even remember this, but I just watched the finale of the april 2019 tournament and found out that I was beating oem with the nuke flingers and then after I stopped using them with a laser triangle of all things, but got lured into AI ship missile spam and died

[trim kestrel]

it was a bug with explosions phasing through ships, when he set the explosions to ship relative it was basically patched

[sharp bane]

I had no idea the loss vs oem was so close, the game was exactly 2 seconds from ending then too and my CR got hit by a missile

ever since then I usually had more than 1CR in my ships though

[surreal pecan]

DID SOMEBODY SAY NUKE MSF-

How were they broken before?

[surreal pecan]

Wasn't that big of an investment back then 😔

[sharp bane]

well, let's see. Nuke spinners back then could:
-have permathrust cores, becoming ludicrously nimble in all directions despite heavy armour
-fire nukes directly and with accuracy and a momentum boost from spinning, making approaching one pretty suicidal
-exploit the shield bug which caused shields to turn in a direction at high spin speeds (good or bad depending on the design)
-have infinite nukes, since well, no storages

[surreal pecan]

Wait, how ludicrously nimble.

[sharp bane]

nuke spinners now get less responsive and bulkier cores, limited ammunition, and most importantly, nukes which don't launch directly at your opponent but rather in a random direction and then home in (not very well)

[surreal pecan]

They aren't even that fast right now with the glorious 100% thruster buff...

[sharp bane]

like, pretty close to what my ultralight spinner pulls off now relative to other thrust arrangements of the time

[surreal pecan]

But yeah, the nuke storage part is pretty accurate.

[sharp bane]

nuke storage isn't even that bad, in a way it's an advantage since less expensive factory logistics

[surreal pecan]

Okay right XD

[sharp bane]

less top speed, but they did also have like 2000 extra tons of armour on them

[surreal pecan]

Huh?!

HOW

Like, the thrust newtons-wise doesn't align!

[snow seal]

perma boost

back then, boost thrusters could be supplied while boosting

u just need 2 crew and a reactor

[surreal pecan]

Yes, you might've been able to align boosters inside, but look at this!
Boost thrusters boosted back then ~5000 kilonewtons
Huge thrusters now 8000 kilonewtons.

It's still better.

[surreal pecan]

Wait... So boosts could be supplied while boosting?!

[snow seal]

uh no... huge thrusters were definitely worse

[surreal pecan]

...Plus we have ER now.

+50% thrust boost.

[snow seal]

boost thrusters have more thrust than huge

and less weight and no ramp up time

this was all before larger reactors and ER distributing thrust

also engine rooms were optional because it would push the energy consumption past what could be supplied by a single reactor

so they were only used with a hotkey for when u need that extra speed

also the drag formula was way different back then

and also not as many ships used monothrust

[surreal pecan]

Did they really have more thrust than huges have now?

[snow seal]

ya?

pretty sure it has always been like that

u can download an old version of cosmoteer to check

also it was before direct control

[surreal pecan]

I have it but too lazy to open... Okay no that's be a lie I'm in clutter right now and should be doing something else :agony:

[snow seal]

idk if ppl still use rts for the cores

[surreal pecan]

No I always pilot the core myself. I've tried in RTS and it easily gets stuck and jammed.

[snow seal]

yeah, so u had to pilot it with rts, meaning the slow ramp up time of huge thrusters made them way less responsive

[surreal pecan]

Yeah that's one thing about boosts and what could've made permaboost impossibly powerful... It has ZERO rampup time, like, none at all!

[sharp bane]

yeah the cores were very responsive. You can pilot modern cores in rts too though, it's just less efficient

[naive lion]

The rail kite was the only joiner in the tournament to actually use the exploit to lock ships tho

[stone zephyr]

I could help with that, If you want I could type up a paragraph in discord or something

[upbeat ridge]

you literally just clip through because walt's physics code is inaccurate at low speeds

i think walt already hinted at the exploit being possible in ask-walt lmao (<#ask-walt message>)

[jagged flume]

Genius, so clear, so intuitive. If you go slowly your ship welds together, nevermind that there's specific arrangements that improve it or means that make it more consistent

I wonder why, if it's so extremely basic, that only one of the four combining ships used it?

[hasty jolt]

it's obviously a bug, but I definitely didn't know there were ways to do that intentionally.
I've only ever seen a random AI ship get stuck in a station or something.

[upbeat ridge]

setting it up is not trivial, since it really gets down to float-level precision, so in most cases, the collision detection works as intended

(trust me i tried)

[snow seal]

u missed the sarcasm

[upbeat ridge]

i missed worse

[chilly barn]

Lack of popularity
I don't think any of the other people who did joiners knew about it

"It's always 30, though it does change collision detection algorithms depending on their relative speed to each other."
(Having the collision detection algorithim that's at 21 m/s or lower is vital)

[stone zephyr]

honestly, locking is actually pretty easy after doing it enough times, its just getting a feel for it that takes the longest (in my experience anyways)

[surreal pecan]

Huh really? I thought the combiner spinner used it too...

[surreal pecan]

See? It's not a bug if it's confirmed by the developer to work... And it's honestly a really innocent and interchangeable thing so banning it is quite trivial.

[naive lion]

Nah, it used a detachable ship lock and bunch of hooks

[surreal pecan]

Hmm. That's why it snapped, no pun intended.

[cloud escarp]

What are y’alls thoughts on a tournament where the only rule (in regards to building your ship) is that you must build within the restrictions of a certain shape?

For example, a triangle grid could be provided, and everyone must place ship parts in only that triangle shape for all competing ships. No money restrictions, just space restrictions

I got the idea from several mobile shipbuilding games where players must build within grids, and wondered if it would translate well to a hypothetical cosmoteer tournament

[sharp bane]

it could work, but we need to think through which weapons benefit and which suffer

if you can just spam large reactors, you can get very strong shields at the expense of internal durability. Which is an interesting difference.

[surreal pecan]

I have an insane potentially broken suggestion:

Asteroids are free. They have a lot of HP.

YES.

ASTEROID ARMOR

FREE ARMOR

[snow seal]

illegal ship type

if they have allow illegal ships then sure u can do that

[surreal pecan]

Oh...

Illegal...

That sucks.

Well, it was worth a suggestion I guess.

[chilly barn]

Literally rock orbiters

[surreal pecan]

Orbiters aren't good friends with Dwaine wannabes, because of their orbital one-way thrust.

[snow seal]

rock orbiter isn't an orbiter

it's an avoider

but it literally orbits a rock

[chilly barn]

With missiles

[surreal pecan]

Ah yeah right.

I haven't seen that kind of a ship in my life but okay.

[snow seal]

not very popular

[chilly barn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546946524265971714/1046604844682711090/C-Provider.ship.png

Roses

[snow seal]

the song

[chilly barn]

I came up with idea
They work well but missile orbuters/kiters cna do the same thing

And rock orbiting is actually super boring

[jagged flume]

They're in the same boat as railkites, just that they take more skill then setting a single move command, so they didn't catch on

[surreal pecan]

Cool idea I guess.

[surreal pecan]

It should take a lot of skill though...

[chilly barn]

They have different counters
Also rely on rock placement rng

Bc you can't really push a rock

[chilly barn]

No, you're just circling, idk wasn't too hard to use

[surreal pecan]

Hmm.

[stone zephyr]

Just make a ship with a lot of mining lazers then burrow into an asteroid

With enough boost thrusters you could probably get a small one to move

[surreal pecan]

Mining laser meta?

I'm all for it lol.

[white apex]

it's very very boring and painful to fight

and to use

either u get rushed and just die or it's everyone turtling for a year

[snow seal]

boost thrusters would probably be worse than huges

[solemn obsidian]

When will be next tournament?

[jagged flume]

25th and the 26th

[solemn obsidian]

This month?

[jagged flume]

Yes

[solemn obsidian]

Cool

[jagged flume]

Official Tournaments, or the ones hosted by me, are a monthly affair excepting of course December

[rough oracle]

fun

[solemn obsidian]

Got it, thx for the info. And I want to ask, the atomic missiles and explosive charge are banned on the tournament, or no?

[raven fern]

IF the rules are the same as the last tournament, then no they are not banned

[jagged flume]

If you mean nukes, no, both are fine

[solemn obsidian]

Nice

[raven fern]

I haven't read half the discussion that went on here, but just to make sure. It;s only going to be 2v2's for a while correct?

[jagged flume]

See, so the issue is 1v1s have counterpicking, so there needs to be a minimum 3 ships per player, so ships need to be submitted

Buuuut I also want to participate, so I cannot organize and catalog the ships and keep them updated, which is a lot of work that I must then just divert to a different person

[sweet saffron]

why can't someone use a single ship the entire time?

[jagged flume]

Because I don't think rock vs scissors is entertaining for anyone or engaging for players

[solemn obsidian]

And the Last question, it will be 1.5 m credits per person?

Or another cost of ships

[jagged flume]

Yup

[chilly barn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RhFiu5-lfKedpUeyi07hK40Y3ejlDXB9OI_4tU8edgU/edit?usp=sharing
If you want to try my method of locking, here's a doc explaining how to do it.

[surreal pecan]

THANK YOU

[trim kestrel]

How many would be interested in doing a Domination tournament?

[surreal pecan]

Lol imagine self-reacting

I'm not completely against it, but epic piloting maneuvers is what makes tournaments enjoyable, which is a thing Domination completely rips out of the game.

[earnest halo]

How about illegal tourney

Illegal ships allowed, the rest same rules

[surreal pecan]

Yeah, that would be epic

[earnest halo]

Cant wait for the 200 accel railkite :D

500 accel is just barely under 4mil^

Well, it wouldnt be good but itll be funny

[surreal pecan]

Excuse me...

How does the illegal mode allows you to make accelerators cheaper.

17 full length guns, that's the maximum I reached.

136X Accel

[earnest halo]

A single rail*

Itll be just under 200 accels to fit in 1.5m i think

[surreal pecan]

Hmm.

That would be kinda useless right...

More rails>bigger rails

[earnest halo]

I did say it wouldnt be good but itll be funny

[surreal pecan]

Ah right.

:p

I'm afraid of illegal tourney because this.

Imagine a rail orbiter with this many engines.

[sharp bane]

yeah this is definitely scary

but power requirements stay the same so

[earnest halo]

Nah 1 less er than normal

And more compact

Easier power supply

But its fine since everyone can do it too

Balanced :D

[sharp bane]

tighter deck cannon packing

would mean more crew stun tho

but probably worth it for focus in a ram

I would enjoy it, new stuff to experiment with

[desert hornet]

oh boy tiny msfs

[trim kestrel]

no, you are not allowed to phase reactors inside of your enemy

trust me illegal ships will be a lot less interesting than dom

[gilded nimbus]

Agreed. "Illegal ships" really just means ships that are faster than normal because you can stuff engines everywhere.

It doesn't really change anything else because weapons need clearance for their projectiles.

[white apex]

tourney where ships get 2x speed and projectiles use their oooooold code (~1/4 speed and nukes home)

[gilded nimbus]

Yeah Walt just undo all your balancing work for this one 😄

[gilded nimbus]

A domination tournament is a cool idea, but it has this strange issue at the moment where the credit generation of the points isn't "standardized" in the same way that elimination has a standard of 1.5mil, so players aren't used to what is viable and what is not for any given tournament.

That's how we end up with players spamming a single 50-100k storage-based design for the entire match (which is also an annoying effective strategy).

It's a symptom of players playing it safe with their designs, so to speak, because everyone has ships ready to go for elimination but not for domination.

Not to mention that even a small change in credit generation can have a huge effect on what is viable from tournament to tournament, much more so than a small change for elimination.

[sharp bane]

definitely true, plus there's changes in strategy depending on the viability of snowballing etc.

[gilded nimbus]

Of course now that I'm thinking about it, if there is an option to make destroyed ships drop resources, then you could encourage players to use airlocks and factories to scavenge from dead enemies, which would be an interesting war of attrition 😄

[sharp bane]

I could see this being mitigated if there's over a month to prepare and build for the tournament ruleset though

[reef bloom]

It wasn’t a miscalculation on my part, there was nothing I could do to get away

Add that too

If we had better teamwork, cosmic would be covering me to push his corpse away

[jagged flume]

I didn't imply it was a miscalculation on your part, only a calculation on Nugg's part

[surreal pecan]

Ultracompact. That's it big advantage.

Way more power per ER so it's way more worth it too.

[sharp bane]

actually polar mentioned an important thing, instant reactor bombing and other stuff abusing the grid

you can extend a ship very far from grid center and have it spawn elsewhere on the map

but the opponent can do the same to avoid it

it would be like battleships lol

[stone zephyr]

Just cover the entire map with large reactors

Or make a grid pattern so that you could always explode the ships

[sharp bane]

not in 1.5m at least, so that's good

[surreal pecan]

OH MY GOD THIS HAS EVIL AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL

Just have an autofire mine generator on your enemies' doorstep.

What you could do is make a 2 player contraption spawn waaaay closer to one-another, causing it to be able to be set up much quicker.

[stone zephyr]

You could just have them spawn on top of each other, no need for locking at all

[surreal pecan]

🤯

[white apex]

u can just instantly crash the game by spawning stuff wayyyy too far away

[surreal pecan]

Oh really.

Yeah I guess it could render as a gigantic ship and cause the game to D I E

[tough prism]

I bulit one of those

[tough prism]

until the guy spawns in an asteroid

[rough oracle]

Asteroid armor meet mining laser fastwall

[sweet saffron]

for a 1v1 tourney if you wanted two ships in a single fight would you need to have them separated by charges?

[snow seal]

usually we allow 5 ships

but the 3 loadouts rule doesnt disallow that

u just submit as a pair

[surreal pecan]

WUT

OH RIGHT

You can permatrap your enemies if you spawn asteroids right inside of them.

The more I think abuot it the more daft the concept of an illegal tournament gets.

*About.

[desert sky]

you can spawn asteroids in pvp even if that illegal i don't that how the game work

[hollow socket]

Asteroids cost nothing, and can be as large as you want

[desert sky]

yes but not sure the game allow it to load in pvp

[hollow socket]

They can be loaded into pvp

[earnest halo]

They can if illegal is allowed

[jagged flume]

Please be aware ladies and gentlemen that if you're making combination ships to seek out this guide for a consistent and effective locking mechanism

[vital spindle]

Ayyy new tourney

Well um anyone wanna be a team?

I have a missile orbiter that works

And uh that’s about it

I mean I have other ships as well but they all suck ass

[jagged flume]

That's why it was scheduled two weeks in advance

[vital spindle]

Yeah I need to get good ships fast

[trim kestrel]

I usually build my best ships 30 minutes before my first round

[vital spindle]

Well this would be my first tourney so I guess I will see if that’s the case

[serene latch]

be like me and just don't build ez

[vital spindle]

And how are ya gonna win with nothing?

[autumn maple]

Well I can play on saturday

But Sunday past 2h would be hard

[serene latch]

if you saw my performance last tournament, i only had two rounds where i did not play The Blue Pages aka my one and only decent elim ship

[vital spindle]

Yeah the blue pages is sick

[serene latch]

thanks

[vital spindle]

I’ve tried piloting fastwalls but they are tough

[serene latch]

i built that ship before knowing about the tournament so what i meant was like don't prepare lol

which frankly isn't good advice

but i'm too lazy to do anything else

[trim kestrel]

you could always find a partner and convince them to build a combining ship so you don't have to build anything

[jagged flume]

It is certainly some of the advice ever Qawa 💀

[vital spindle]

Well fair

Combining ships are fun

Also double rail kites are sick

The what was it swashbucklers from the last tourney we’re great

[sweet saffron]

if you don't mind having almost no chance of winning the first fight I might build a ship

[trim kestrel]

that's better odds then he's currently working with

[vital spindle]

Mmmm but you got ions

I mean to be honest I don’t really care if I win but it would be fun to participate

[wind ermine]

i need to learn to pvp in the next month

[jagged flume]

I believe in your ability to overcome your skill issue

[wind ermine]

me too

[surreal pecan]

Okay, so the next tourney is 11AM PST?

THAT, IS, PERFECT!!!

11Pm such an amazing time frame.

It will end on like ~2AM (Considering it will be split in 2 parts each lasting ~3hours) which is more than feasible for me.

[sharp bane]

yeah seems like the perfect time to me too

[desert sky]

cool we would finally be able to bring our extremly gimmick ship i mean our skill and expert-build ship 😅

[autumn maple]

Sunday kinda meh

But if it only takes 2 hours on Sunday I'm definetly in

[hollow socket]

Another tournament, nice

[stone zephyr]

Im looking for a partner for the tournament, would anyone want to be my partner?

[sharp bane]

if you can do VC comms during the tournament, sure (not sure how active I can be with shipbuilding this month, but I have a bunch of ships I can use regardless)

[stone zephyr]

I can

[sharp bane]

ok cool!

[stone zephyr]

Im sure you already have some great ships lol

[desert sky]

btw @surreal pecan would you sign up with me this time?

[surreal pecan]

ABSOLUTELY

What time is 11AM Pst for you?

[desert sky]

20:00 so 8pm i think

[gilded nimbus]

I am also in need of a partner.

[hollow socket]

As do i

I only worry if I can make it into it on time

[white apex]

partner?? only if u let me optimzie ur stuff the corridor to the middle of the er really bothers me

[gilded nimbus]

I am down, as long as you let me keep some of my pleasing symmetries!

I can't paint! Symmetry and geometry is all I have to make my ships look nice!

[jagged flume]

I can paint

[gilded nimbus]

Ngl I've been considering purchasing your services

[wind ermine]

Win the tourney with an unpainted brick, get a saris paintjob as a prize

[sharp bane]

for real saris you're encouraging people to enter with unpainted ships so they have something for you to paint

[surreal pecan]

I'll consider 😏

But wait...

How will the free paintjob stuff work now that the ''three ships submitted'' rule is gone?

[jagged flume]

Not like that'd change anything. All of the winners including you I might add refused to submit any ships for me to paint thus far

[snow seal]

we aren't refusing

[surreal pecan]

Three of the ships used in the tourney that the winners tell you to paint will be painted or every single one used?

[snow seal]

just need to think of a ship that i want painted

[surreal pecan]

Or will you just get three free paint on any ship you desire?

[sweet saffron]

isn't it just any ship you want to have painted?

[surreal pecan]

If so, then...

[surreal pecan]

😏

[sweet saffron]

assuming it is, I have a certain ship in mind

[surreal pecan]

Everybody gangsta till' Saris has to professionally paint a 1 billion ship

[sweet saffron]

have fun with your obviously paintcard'ed ship

[surreal pecan]

Ouch

[jagged flume]

Because of clowns like you thinking I'd actually do this I added the stipulation of ships used in-tournament

[surreal pecan]

I think it's easy to tell that was a joke that I'd never actually do and used as a funny wordsake...

[sweet saffron]

aww, so I don't get that ship painted 😿

[jagged flume]

Don't pretend that you're not somewhat disappointed I won't paint more than build-grid-sized ships 😛

[surreal pecan]

Okay okay, you're correct on that one 😔

[sweet saffron]

what about a 50% discount

[surreal pecan]

I am going to use an intentionally aesthetic unpainted ship in one of the matches in hope I'd win or at least get second place...

Seriously though an Empyrea ship painted by Saris would be my dream.

Too bad I'm broke XD

[white apex]

going to ask saris to paint this

also why is it not in #tournament-announcements

[jagged flume]

I'm waiting for Bloodbatpony to finish their design tournament since they're trigger happy with the announcements

[white apex]

mm ok

[white apex]

also can i have free paimt pls :D

[jagged flume]

I was actually opening cosmoteer to do just that because why not, but now...

[surreal pecan]

XD

Painting tiny ships is challenging but fun.

[cyan glade]

Is the priceof blueprints included in the 1.5mil

[surreal pecan]

No.

Blueprint cost only really matters in Career. That system is not used anywhere else.

[cyan glade]

I see, thanks!

[jagged flume]

Made it as cursed as I could for ya concerning the not paint

[white apex]

why dies it look good lol

*does

anyways v nice paint

[jagged flume]

Me painting it after all

[wind ermine]

@jagged flume a bit more on topic than contest chat, but what is the proper etiquette for how much/what parts of a ship someone can copy? I'm over here trying to build something from scratch without using any parts of a pre-existing ship lol

[jagged flume]

Despite the negative connotation of the word itself (the practice is fine) you can copy a lot of a ship, ultimately resulting with a 'clone' of a ship. A ton of the tournament ships were clones of Quiximo's original deck cannon rammer due to it's proficiency and effectiveness

The way I would personally go about it is not copy pasting anything, but understanding why the way things are, reverse engineering, and then building from the ground up. If a person did it this way, instead of just copying that, understand why they did it that way and reproduce the same effects from scratch

[wind ermine]

Sometimes with weapons and thrusters modules I feel like there's only so many ways to configure and optimize them lol

But I get what you mean

[jagged flume]

Which is why there's no moral issues whatsoever with ending up with a very similar looking ship

There's often an optimal way to do things, Eidolon being an example as discussed in #1059084974655033415. To go out of your way to not emulate it makes your ship worse off due to how it takes advantage of as many things as it can

[wind ermine]

Even the crew logistics when I was looking at them was like... damn why even bother lol

[sharp bane]

maybe this is part of why I enjoy making ships that nobody has really done before (at least in the current version)

[wind ermine]

on the disruptor version at least, i haven't looked a tthe PD version in detail yet

[sharp bane]

like the light nuke msf, that was a blast to build

[wind ermine]

lol yeah it could be. it's hard to strive to be original but also peak efficiency without too much overlap

[white apex]

yea, tiny dom ships sometimes r exactly the same and the creators have never seen each other

[cyan glade]

Theres a reason I build diag DC ships

Nobody is dumb enough to copy them

[serene latch]

you see i actually have a ship in mind but like i haven't gotten around to actually working on it because reasons

[serene latch]

wait we get three ships for the paint?

[surreal pecan]

I agree with you so much...

I have made some truly bizarre shit that couldn't've even been conceived by another mind (Maybe possibly probably) because they really are that bonkers.

(Shipespam)

[desert sky]

sadly i prefer piloting ;-;

[surreal pecan]

Now I'm gonna finish the 1.5mil ion-rail hybrid and then probably get to the 2 player alpha fan.

...And then the 2 player missile kite.

[wind ermine]

teach me the ways.... i've only been career and shipbuilding up until now and am trying to learn to pvp

[desert sky]

the ions avoider is not bizzard

could be a little more efficent if it have kite power but that my opinion

[surreal pecan]

Nope, as far as I'm aware this kind of thrust has never been used.

There's no such a thing as an ''uncombined ion orbiter.''

And rightfully so, that ship is ass.

But hey at least it's unique.

[desert sky]

ummm enable direct control and try? (gosh i have no talent in teaching)

[desert sky]

it's not because it was neevr used it's bad ._.

[desert hornet]

Is anyone still looking for a teammate?

[odd zealot]

Loking for a teammate!

[autumn maple]

Wait is the tourney 2v2 again?

[desert hornet]

yes

[autumn maple]

Well

I search teammate I think, if I'm participating, need to look at my schedule

[wind ermine]

I am a rapidly advancing player who has learned many transferable skills applicable to cosmoteer tournaments through my real-world occupations and other video game experience, eager to complement the piloting of another player and forge valuable bonds in the community, and I am available on the tourney dates.

[desert sky]

how to sell themself

don't worry i would do the same

[sharp bane]

that's not a good CV, try: I am a rapidly advancing player who has learned many transferable skills applicable to cosmoteer tournaments through my real-world occupations and other video game experience, eager to complement the piloting of another player and forge valuable bonds in the community.

[cloud escarp]

If you want to host your own tournament, how do you go about it? Do you pitch the idea to someone? Do you need to host it elsewhere from this server?

Thinking about maybe doing a tournament with unconventional rules, a potential prize and a proper rule set. But I’m unsure if the tournament host role is available to anyone

[rough oracle]

I'm pretty sure one could get the role, might be possible?

But you gotta have the time to go out of your way to plan all the types of tournaments, set up every little niche, etc. Sure it's a bit of a challenge

[hollow socket]

"uncombined " as in something similar to this?

[wind ermine]

Enoshade has written my resume and will be acting as my manager.

[sharp bane]

so, if you want it to be official and result in the winner getting the champion role, it has to be approved by Walt and by the current tournament managers (mainly Saris). However, unofficial tournaments are much easier to host, you just have to tell about them to an active moderator or tournament host if you want them to be posted in #events . You can host them in this server or on another server, just if it's a new discord you probably can't advertise it here directly (edit: some tournaments have been run in separate discords and posted in events before, you'd have to check with the discord staff)

[cloud escarp]

Thats a ton of info, thank you :)

[sharp bane]

here's an example of a tournament spontaneously started by a discord member and then posted in events and given its own thread: #events message

[cloud escarp]

Does the winner getting champion role and the tournament going in #1019749256183169065 go hand in hand?

And thanks for the example

[sharp bane]

not necessarily, blakebatpony's design tournament does not result in the role but is hosted here. I think you could probably get an unofficial tournament its own post in #1019749256183169065 , just make sure it doesn't run at the same time as anothee tournament and get the clearance of the staff.

[cloud escarp]

Cool! Thanks so much

[surreal pecan]

Yup.

My Absolute Radiance is basically hat except Orbiter

*That.

[sharp bane]

if we're being technical, then this is an orbiter. Yours looks more like a directional avoider which preferences one side when approsching.

[hollow socket]

More of a broadsider that has only 1 side

[surreal pecan]

Yup.

The schtick is that you always have your guns pointed at the enemy whilst you let it rip around them.

Ions' rotation is still slow ass so it barely ever hits.

*Shoots.

Yeah Ion avoider is just flat out better.

[white apex]

i made the second one before :D

in classic though

[white apex]

aka most orbiters

[surreal pecan]

Ionrail

[white apex]

it did not work well

i called it "vilda said it would be bad" or smth like that and it was pretty bad

[sharp bane]

yeah the problem is that ion and rail playstyles are fundamentally incompatible

rails fan but ions focus one spot over time

and rails prefer to stay at a distance whilst ions get more damage up close

[white apex]

i don't think i can make the next tourney

[gilded nimbus]

Ah, unfortunate

Well, guess I'm back on the market 😄

[cyan glade]

I’d say I’d be your teammate but my ships aren’t great

[trim kestrel]

I think this could best be described as yes, it's fine to copy parts of ships but you'll have no idea why they are designed the way they are or how to use them to the greatest effect

and with most ships using large reactors the logistics and crew assignments are usually more important then the actual placement of any of the parts

[hollow socket]

The placement of ship modules can be very important at times

[serene latch]

amazing survey lmao

[sharp bane]

Endoshade and Salephizz, the power duo

[jagged flume]

Or up to fifty different variants of Seerays ba ha ha ha

[faint terrace]

looking for a tournament partner

[serene latch]

on a scale of 1-10, very important to extremely important

[sharp bane]

*extreamly

[upbeat ridge]

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[naive lion]

In terms of providing entertainment to the audience tho, it provided

[vital spindle]

Ima be honest this issue isn’t too bad for most

But in cases like saris it may be important depending on how much people care or not

[jagged flume]

(I don't care at all by the way)

[snow seal]

i had a good laugh at the mispronunciation

[upbeat ridge]

i'm probably the only one that cares

[wind ermine]

i care when names are mispronounced intentionally

[upbeat ridge]

to the point that you want to punch a wall?

[wind ermine]

Just about

because if you're doing it wrong on purpose just to mess with people, you're a jerk lol

as someone whose name was purposefully mispronounced a lot growing up

[surreal pecan]

I actually want mispronunciations to happen every now and then, just makes the tournaments feel all the more friendly and light-hearted and also insanely funny

Like that one time when Enoshade called me ''Nuck,'' albeit because of a typo.

[desert sky]

nuck was piloting nuke

[surreal pecan]

Yes

[snow seal]

should we have a like

who is okay with their name being mispronounced?

and add that to ur sign up?

or or

people who dont want their name mispronounced put a name in their sign up and how to pronounce it

bc like saris would rather be called saris than appaguchee

[surreal pecan]

True.

I don't even know what that means.

I only know Saris.

First time I read it like ''Appalaguchie'' for some bizarre reason.

Sounds Japanese for some reason.

[wind ermine]

Rewatching tourney highlights and hearing "lil-iac" instead of "li-lac" over and over keeps distracting me from the match

[desert sky]

myself (good luck on mispronounce that tho)

[snow seal]

ex now

exes now

[stone zephyr]

Im fine with mine being mispronounced, but like, I doubt many people would

me seeing the name of whos typing "interesting"

[snow seal]

lmao kwh

[normal root]

just because you can write your name with the international phonetic alphabet doesn't mean other will be able to pronounce it

[sweet saffron]

if I show up and my name isnt mispronounced I'll be very surprised

[desert sky]

i would be interested hwo your build look like and what you piloting is

[sweet saffron]

imagine someone who just read a guide on how to build ships

that'd be me

I have some tabs up rn

[stone zephyr]

Locking guide is the best tab you have open rn

[gilded spindle]

Its sad that me and zachs 30 minute match wasn't in the highlights

Legitimately could have put on coffee and came back before it unfroze

[chilly barn]

Lol

[tough prism]

@jagged flume what is your time zone?

I forgor what it was and where to find it

I'm kinda dumb ngl

[jagged flume]

Knowing my timezone is irrelevant as the time I posted for events updates for you

[tough prism]

https://tenor.com/view/yuruyuri-anime-gif-9214736

[jagged flume]

Past that, it's at 7:00 PM UTC

[tough prism]

Cool

Okedoke

Uhh

Me last thing

One

For the comment way back about commentating the tournament

Is there anything I need to do or information that might be necessary?

[jagged flume]

We'd have to do a microphone check at some point to confirm that you're capable of talking, are understandable, and have a functional microphone

[tough prism]

Woha woha hold up

The time

Ah

Nvm

I really am stupid

[tough prism]

I'm kinda young tho

Is that alright?

Cause other then that I'm good on all fronts from what I've heard

[jagged flume]

I'd prefer you participate in the tournament for whatever it's worth. You being young shouldn't be an issue if you're capable of having good cadence with the other casters

[tough prism]

cool

thx for your help

[surreal pecan]

I'd honestly be one of the most epic commentators to ever live when it comes to Cosmoteer. Shameless plugin I know. But IRL I'm insanely talkative and in chats as well. Like literally I can't shut up about Cosmoteer and other things ever in the channels and I ironically love it.

Why did I say that I don't know because I'm not supposed to be a commentator.

Speaking of which, that's one thing the most recent tournament surely lacked. Your impeccable commentating!

No seriously though, even aside from your voice, your knowledgeability in the game and ability to quickly explain all the Cosmoteer-related misconception and/or any confusion the viewers and players (And other casters) alike might have in the tournament is really good.

[desert sky]

@surreal pecan maybe we should sign up now ?

or are you waiting until the last minute

[sweet saffron]

could I be an understudy?

[surreal pecan]

😏

[desert sky]

...

sigh

[snow seal]

man so many returning teams

[rough oracle]

I would be lying if I said I didn't want a lively personality to help me out

[white apex]

have me commentate to balance out the positivity of the other casters

[vital spindle]

Other commentators: AND HE TAKES OUT THE SHIP FROM A RAIL IN THE BACK OH THE DYNAMIC HAS CHANGED
You: so the railfan hit the back of the ship, hm.

[sweet saffron]

probably would be more pessimistic

[rough oracle]

tbh, the lot of us are sorta in the middle, pretty casual but we can spice up our commentary during exciting moments if need be

tho, atris is more of the lively one, not that its a bad thing

[vital spindle]

Yeah you guys remind me of more relaxed football announcers

[rough oracle]

true

[vital spindle]

Only in big and sudden kills you guys get excited

Which is good, I like the chill atmosphere

[white apex]

more of "massive piloting error on xxx's part"

[snow seal]

fr a skill issue no cap

dont let this man cook

[upbeat ridge]

don't let air cook
let air fry

[surreal pecan]

XD

[surreal pecan]

''FR FR Skill issue smh terrible play from insert player name bruh lmfao xd rofl bruh bruh the rock provides l+ratio git gud bro ur mom.''

That's the commentator I wanna see 😏

[solemn obsidian]

The tournament will be at 11:00 am UTC?

[surreal pecan]

11AM PST

Saris is in the PST timezone.

(I think)

Well he said he'll be participating on 3pm PST in the previous tournament.....

[solemn obsidian]

Okaay... Thanks

[gilded nimbus]

Thought you said you weren't going to be able to make it 😛

[snow seal]

#events message look at the times stated

discord automatically converts

[surreal pecan]

Say, the tourney's in 2 weeks right?

[jagged flume]

It's in exactly 10/11 days

[gilded nimbus]

I still require a partner

[surreal pecan]

Next weekend, I see.

11 PM, will last roughly 3 hours.

PERFECT.

[vital spindle]

Someone get this man a partner!

[snow seal]

why dont u

do realize you pinged pyraeus in the chat where he is expecting a ping to be someone offering to partner up with him

[vital spindle]

Ah fair point

My bad pyraeus

[surreal pecan]

Pinging someone isn't the end of the world no matter how much some want to pretend it is. It's at worst a very slight annoyance.

[vital spindle]

I mean it depends on how much you hate being pinged

Personally I don’t really mind but some people really care

[surreal pecan]

A little notification... Unless they're literally spamming you like @surreal pecan @surreal pecan @surreal pecan you shouldn't care... Otherwise in my opinion it's slightly petty.

(Wow pinging oneself actually works)

[hollow socket]

I'm free, but will only try get a partner when I secure my hardware first

[gilded nimbus]

I don't mind getting pinged, but it was funny to get pinged for this 😄

[vital spindle]

Well thanks for being chill

Unlike someone I could mention 👀

[sweet saffron]

you can ping yourself with a reply too

[sweet saffron]

but only on phone

[surreal pecan]

Oh okay.

[cyan glade]

If I get My most recent diag dc up and working I may also need a teammate, however still have to get it functional and PvP tested

[surreal pecan]

Epic.

[surreal pecan]

The biggest bane of diags is the fact that they are really slow. So maybe consider a detachable system with engines layed out regularly but the entire rest of the ship— diagonally.

Or EVEN BETTER! a combiner DC ship!

1.5mil DC spam hull and 1.5mil drive engine with missiles maybe.

[wind ermine]

ooh now you're thinking. can you imagine the firepower of 1.5mil worth of DCs? Then 1.5m worth of thrusters and armor to combine with lol

[surreal pecan]

Yes.

I could get 8 guns on DPS-centred 750K trap, so I'm very sure an engineless module could easily have like, 20-24 guns!

[earnest halo]

It wont fit in the build limit tho

As in its too wide

Unless ur combining side by side or somethint

[cyan glade]

The o my thing is that I’d need a way to keep the engines protected, any missiles from hitting engines, however if I did make the engines in a row would that stop the -30% speed decrease?

If you’d like to we could try to work together on something like this, I have school until 3 my time and am free all Friday.

[surreal pecan]

It's a diag so it will. Practically have 200 metres to play around with.

*240

[cyan glade]

So would you like to work together on it?

[topaz rune]

@jagged flume You might consider splitting design contests and tournaments into their own sections. That way announcements don’t conflict and topics are easier to find.

[surreal pecan]

:> Very true I support.

[cyan glade]

Smort

[tough prism]

when is this scheduled for?

also nice status

Tron Legacy

[jagged flume]

Let me get back to you on that

Hey @azure goblet @topaz rune @vague brook yall should participate, also Pyraeus needs a partner. It'd be cool to have returns since last tournament and the first modern appearance of Vilda

[vital spindle]

Ah I got Pyraeus

[jagged flume]

You haven't yet signed up

[vital spindle]

Yup I will tomorrow

Sorry we just partnered up today, so we still have some logistics to figure out

[topaz rune]

My Sunday afternoons are TTRPG days, I'm afraid

[jagged flume]

Ah, gotcha. I'll try to keep that in mind for future reference

Well 0neye and Vilda would be a slick duo for whatever it's worth. Paint alone'd be glorious

[vital spindle]

They sounds like a powerhouse to go against

[upbeat ridge]

insta-win bet

[surreal pecan]

I would NOT like to go against them for sure XD

Okay just kidding, at least it'd be a visually pleasing massacre :>

[white apex]

after obliterating my schedule for the 50th time i mightttttt be able to make it

[surreal pecan]

Just because I'd rather be safe than sorry and also have sclerosis, 11AM PST right? I mean Saris said he'd be participating on 11AM and his time zone is PST...

[desert sky]

in #events you have auto time zone converter

[surreal pecan]

OH

Okay.

Okay thanks Saris I guess.

It's time :>

It's minute-to-minute opposite no matter the timezone converter I use, that's quirky :>

[desert sky]

literaly on the other side of the planet

[surreal pecan]

Yes, quite literally so.

[snow seal]

btw what do u guys think of a prerecorded tourney

altho a desync would basically invalidate a match

[desert hornet]

this should probably be in #tournament-announcements

[stone zephyr]

I mean... it would be interesting

Not sure if it'd be good or bad, just interesting

[snow seal]

in theory we can do all matches simultaneously

and with the extra time maybe a double elim bracket too

[surreal pecan]

Nah, I honestly prefer the stream setting.

[snow seal]

another possibility would be to run the double elim off stream

[hollow socket]

I prefer it streamed match after match

It gives more anticipation before the match you do starts

[desert hornet]

would be nice to have 1h between the first and second match so we could see the teams scrambling to build some contraption

[desert hornet]

same

[hollow socket]

It also gives enough time to analyze the enemy ships

[desert hornet]

and build some contraption

[hollow socket]

Quick design

[stone zephyr]

Is it possible to make ship names longer than what the game allows?

[jagged flume]

I'm pretty sure you can edit the file names themselves (be careful to not touch the .ship.png part) and I've heard copy pasting more words than allowed also works

[desert sky]

can also rename ship after they where saved in the libary which allow longer name*

[hollow socket]

There is actually a limit there

I had found it while naming one of my ion rammers

[stone zephyr]

thanks

[desert sky]

bad wording my bad

[timid current]

the tournament document says that there's a check-in an hour before the tourney, how much leeway is there for that?

because i won't be able to get to my pc until about half an hour before the tourney

[jagged flume]

You have an hour to check in, not have to check in at exactly an hour before it starts

[white apex]

that's been done before (look at the beta tester one)

[timid current]

ah, thanks

[vital spindle]

What timezone is that 11am in the sign in?

[jagged flume]

It's at 7pm UTC. 11am is my local time

[vital spindle]

Just realized that’s 1am my time

Wait nope

I’m stupid

1pm

[hollow socket]

I wonder if you can get an ai as the teammate

[vital spindle]

Hehe

Say goodbye to your tournament

[surreal pecan]

We have 13 teams now.

Let's see if we can get 16 this time as well.

[gilded spindle]

If you like losing, but I doubt you can

[wooden crystal]

30 mins til tourney?

[desert sky]

in a week

[desert hornet]

sounds about right

[desert sky]

yeah saris even start the stream

[wooden crystal]

oh im dumb

planned for today wow

[surreal pecan]

XD

[cyan glade]

RIP

[snow seal]

our team is doing great

yesterday i was playing while blind

our comms are impeccable

i'm definitely not always crashing into rocks

[surreal pecan]

Boulderdash!

Get it, like Balderdash except... You dash into boulders... I won't even try

[desert hornet]

kill me

the joke is so bad i dont wanna live

[surreal pecan]

I think the pun works well.

[desert hornet]

it becomes bad after explaining it

[surreal pecan]

True.

[desert hornet]

atleast people pretend to find it funny even if they dont get it

or is it just me?

oh its really just me

[surreal pecan]

🤷‍♂️

[desert hornet]

time to delete the evidence

[surreal pecan]

Nah

[desert hornet]

ye nah

too lazy

[surreal pecan]

Jokes on you I take screenshots faster than you can delete so there's no point

Pus laziness yeah.

[desert hornet]

i think mods can read deleted msgs anyway

[surreal pecan]

That's overpowered.

The scars of your past may never be erased off the canvas of reality

[vital spindle]

I cannot for the life of me find the tournament doc

Can someone send a link?

[sweet saffron]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M0wQ1vtBapZQWlGWY5JD7pDd29kM7SP4yqzGR5Wbt5Q/edit

[vital spindle]

Appreciate it

[wind ermine]

that sheet is also pinned in game

[sweet saffron]

where?

[wind ermine]

top right corner of the main scrreen when you log in

Feb 2023 Tourney notification bubble

[sweet saffron]

what if you close that

[wind ermine]

... idk actually.

[vital spindle]

Thanks

[surreal pecan]

Okay potentially 14 teams.

Idaho will you be participating?

@vital spindle

[vital spindle]

Yup

With pyraeus

[surreal pecan]

Cool 👍

[jagged flume]

Best of luck finding a new partner Blaze

[raven fern]

Thanks but I think I'll use the time to finish some work that week end now. I'll participate in the March tournament if there is one 😄

Best of luck to all participants

[surreal pecan]

It's one week left and I desperately need more powerful ships.

The only thing I managed to finish is the goofy ahh combiner missile kite.

Hey @desert sky, you remember how because you were placed above me in last night's match, you had to use the locomotive, the bottom part of the missile Wartrain combiner? I found a reason for that. The MP spawning in this game is not entirely random, even if it's incredibly janky and weird. So basically, if you're in the left team, or in other words team one, or the very top of the players list in the MP lobby (In a 2 team scenario), the person placed on the top spawns on the top, and one placed on the bottom spawns in the bottom, logically. If you're placed in the right team, or team two, or the bottom of the players list as seen in the pre-match lobby, the player placed on top will spawn on the bottom and the player placed on the bottom will spawn on the relative top...

---

If somebody knows more about the wacky MP spawning, please let me know, because it's an extremely crucial information for combiners.

[desert sky]

um i guess we should have a upside down version of each build in case?

[surreal pecan]

YUP!

That was exactly where I was going.

👍

[odd zealot]

Interesting...

[hollow socket]

Perhaps you could go with two railfans instead

[desert hornet]

Due to an irl family event being delayed i will be unable to participate in the tournament. The date falls squarly on the same week-end and time of day as the tournament. I'm very sorry for signing-up only to announce that i will be unable to partake in this month's tournament, especially to @odd zealot who was my tournament partner. 😔 @jagged flume

[odd zealot]

Dont worry family is more important. Enyoy the event!

[desert hornet]

I will certainly enjoy what i can watch! I hope you find a new partner soon. Maybe we can team-up next month?

[odd zealot]

Yeah.

So is anyone looking for a teammate for the tournament?

[hollow socket]

I'll have access to cosmoteer this evening, and I'll probably be searching for a team mate once i confirm that I do

[hollow socket]

It is confirmed, cosmoteer has been repurchased and I can now participate in the tournament,
I am now searching for a team mate

[hollow socket]

Would you be available as my teammate, since you are available?

[serene latch]

repurchased? what happened before?

[hollow socket]

steam account lost, same with the ships

[white apex]

oooof

[chilly barn]

I'm glad I upload all my ships to steam workshop

[stone zephyr]

honestly, if my ships get deleted it wouldnt be that big of a deal. Its not like any of them were actually good in the first place

[jagged flume]

Now that you've mentioned it I think I'm gonna make backups since I've lost hard drives before...

[odd zealot]

Im still not sure if i will compeate...

[hollow socket]

Why not?

[hollow socket]

Anyone who can be my teammate then?

[surreal pecan]

I feel soo bad.

Especially for your gorgeous aesthetic alpha PD wall.

And THE SUN

[cyan glade]

I may be able to, I’ll confirm in 8-12 hours

[hollow socket]

Alright

[hollow socket]

Hmmm

[hollow socket]

Still searching

[sweet saffron]

my resume:
-played maybe ten whole rounds of multiplayer dom/elim in my five years of playing
-have made less than 50 ships (not counting my ion shenanigans) edit: probably less than 25
-still not confident that I know how to build a ship
-has lost to Marigold before

[hollow socket]

Are you saying you are available as a partner in the tournament

[sweet saffron]

sure

[hollow socket]

Nice

[upbeat ridge]

get this man an ion barge

[cyan glade]

I’m all set to be partners if your good with it

[tough prism]

U talking about me?

Xd

[vital spindle]

Agreed

[surreal pecan]

Eh seems fine enough to me.

[surreal pecan]

No I'm talking about Zeural's (The guy with gibberish name) weird not ULMSF railspinner with shields.

[earnest halo]

U made a sun???

[surreal pecan]

How do you even make a sun?!

[snow seal]

prolly talking abt an ion capacitor

[surreal pecan]

Ah.

[hollow socket]

I'm quite open to getting a partner

[odd zealot]

Im preaty sure i will take part but i do need a teammate.

[hollow socket]

Seems then we have 4 players each looking for a team mate

[odd zealot]

I can sigh up today

[tough prism]

ahh right i forgot about that ship

[tough prism]

yeah

[earnest halo]

Hm

[cyan glade]

Alright, I guess it’s decided, we can move this to dms that way we don’t fill out chat

[sweet saffron]

“turning previews off” do you mean like editing the ship file to look like memes or something? (still need to be reviewed but you don’t have to load the ships yourself and could easily be done by anyone)

and since someone made a program/website to change the look of ship files it wouldn’t be a limited amount of people

[gilded nimbus]

@jagged flume I need to retract my entry. @vital spindle is now without a partner. My apologies.

[odd zealot]

@vital spindle Can we be partners?

[jagged flume]

Nooo, I mean the setting of turning previews off because all that does is change the game to rock paper scissors. Artificially changing the appearance of you ship in any way is expressly prohibited

[hollow socket]

Could be interesting though, where every ship is just one edited to be an image of a " me me "

[jagged flume]

Yeah nothing as engaging as rock paper scissors fifty times in a row and instant losses/concedes a proportional amount of times

[hollow socket]

It is one of the selling points of Gambling and why so many watch it

[jagged flume]

Never gonna happen for tournaments I run anyway

[hollow socket]

Nice

[desert hornet]

its not luck, its mind games

[cyan glade]

Maybe I’d win then…

[serene latch]

i wonder if i can get away with using the same ship for every single match

[cyan glade]

You probably could, people think in a way where they’d start to doubt that you still using the same ship

In a "no way they're still using the same ship. "Similar to how you can think a question on a test was to easy

[sweet saffron]

did you update the rules to include my method?

and what is a preview, maybe I'm not understanding the term

[jagged flume]

Wow you weren't kidding about only ten multiplayer games

[sweet saffron]

everything in that resume was factual

unfortunately

[jagged flume]

When you enter a multiplayer game everybody picks a ship. You can see a small image of that ship. That is a preview. It allows me to not pick a wall into a railfan, and for my opponent to not pick a wall into my railfan

[sweet saffron]

I'm mildly confused, would forcing people to edit the file not prevent that?

like what is this ship? a wall? a kite? a core?

[jagged flume]

Yeah that's why tampering with your ship's image in anyway is strictly prohibited

[sweet saffron]

welp, fully confused now, guess 2v2 is fine then

[jagged flume]

I don't understand what's confusing

Don't make it so that your ship cannot be determined from a glance

Just like, don't modify it. Clearly that's nothing but a black square, ergo it's banned. The anime pictures Holomatic keeps posting are ships, and as you cannot determine what kind of ships they are, they're banned from use

I cannot put this in simpler terms. Modifying your ship appearance = bad

[sweet saffron]

I get that it's against the rules I just don't get why it is when you also want to avoid rock/paper/scissors, and my understanding of
Also worth mentioning that an alternative solution to counterpick loops than a banning system that doesn't rely on randomness, IE a countdown or turning previews off, would allow for 1v1s to take place again.
is that you want to be able to turn previews off

[jagged flume]

Alternative solution... than a banning system that doesn't rely on randomness, IE (for example) turning previews offs

As turning previews off relies on randomness, it's not a good solution. I don't want to use it

[sweet saffron]

ah I see

[surreal pecan]

I'm with Iontinker on this one. I simply don't get why modifying ship appearance would be banned in any way in a million years, if you jave the previews are already off, SO THE SHIP THUMBNAIL ICONS ARE IRRELEVANT-

[vital spindle]

So I’m back on the market

[surreal pecan]

It's like banning a usage of crane construction in an area where any construction as a whole is banned.

It's like also banning nuke flingers right now when the entire flinger archetype as a whole has long been banned.

Anyways, sorry for the weird rant.

Gaah the tournament is in 2 days and I don't have many viable ships made...

I've been SOO laserfocused on the 2 player missile kite that haven't really done anything else.

I guess I built an ion kiter and a ULMSF kiter, but that's all.

And the ULMSF kiter was a joke ship.

[sweet saffron]

saris doesn't want to turn off previews -because it makes it random

[surreal pecan]

Hm? But didn't he say that the previews will be off?

Did I misread something?

I thought previews would simply be turned off so the thumbnail of the ship wouldn't be visible.

[vital spindle]

So ummm anyone wanna be my partner?

[wind ermine]

alternative solution, find a host who's okay with not participating?

[sweet saffron]

However, it takes significant management for the weeks leading up to the event to process submitted ships, such that I don't want to saddle other people with such an intense amount of work.

[vital spindle]

There’s gotta be someone else than saris willing

[surreal pecan]

Hard to find a host as committed as Saris. Not saying it out of flattery, it's a fact.

[vital spindle]

Fair point

Im just curious how much work is it saris?

[jagged flume]

The previews are not being turned off, that will never be a decision I make.
I am of the staunch opinion that if you have previews off the game turns into rock paper scissors and the focus changes from spaceship combat to mind games, which isn't the point of the tournaments

[white apex]

there's been no tampering w/ that, u can do that in vanilla cosmoteer w/ out any file editing shenanigans

if i say how to do it then ur going to get mad at me :(

[jagged flume]

IN ANY WAY

ANY includes vanilla concepts

[naive lion]

@odd zealot is looking for a partner, @vital spindle

[jagged flume]

How do I write the rules in such a fashion that there is no question about this? Furthermore why are people so intent on trying to sidestep this? It's for the sake of improving the competition for everyone

[white apex]

loophole is loophole

[jagged flume]

Yeah guess what if you try it in tournament you're going to be banned

[sweet saffron]

I already told him how anyway

[upbeat ridge]

not without a ~~ paragon ~~ ~~ crutch ~~ good teammate

[jagged flume]

I feel as though the spirit of the rule is VERY clear even if you choose to 'iNtErPrEt' the rule differently

[sweet saffron]

just to be clear I am merely curious and don't actually care about the preview, I mean really? what does anyone expect me to use if not an ion ship

[white apex]

i'm probably not even going to be participating lol

[upbeat ridge]

(i don't think you can lol)

[white apex]

on the sarian no fly list :pensfive:

[jagged flume]

I welcome and appreciate all who attend, just beware that the rules exist for a reason and will be enforced accordingly

[sharp bane]

it's amazing how much people can misunderstand a simple statement and dogpile based on the misinterpretation

[jagged flume]

No kidding

@sweet pike it's a team tournament. If you don't show up then your opponent can't just fight by themself

[sweet pike]

i will try my best to attend but i cant guarantee it so is it ok that s20 could have a backup person if i am unable to attend

[jagged flume]

Why not just having him sign up with the backup person who can guarantee that they attend?

[normal fulcrum]

I'll ask around for a back up

[wind ermine]

For anyone new to competing in online tournaments, please keep in mind that even if you don't plan to not show up on the day of the tourney, if you can't say with 99.9% certainty that you'll be able to commit the time, you shouldn't sign up. That means your team will have to forfeit, which creates problems in the tournament brackets, and all sorts of other issues for event organizers.

That 0.01% is to account for random hardware malfunctions like your CPU exploded, your grandma died, or whatever acts of god life can throw at you that are completely out of your control.

[jagged flume]

Yes, nicely put, thank you

[sweet pike]

well the tournament is in a few days and im sure i can get something sorted where i have a couple hours arround 11

and if not i will notify you

[vital spindle]

Mmm with that being said I probably won’t attend the tournament

[hollow socket]

exactly why i did not participate in the last tournament, a week before it was starting that 0.01% chance of losing my steam, cosmoteer and pc in one night made it so i was not in for it

[wind ermine]

That's the reason i'm not seeking a partner despite wanting badly to compete. I know I won't be able to commit the time on the tourney days because i have RL stuff to deal with.

Then again, people sign up the day of the tournament, so that can happen. But at least those people know they have the time to commit to participate lol

[jagged flume]

You can actually sign up up to an hour before the tournament starts if you really wanted to

[hollow socket]

nice

[normal fulcrum]

also is the cost 3mill

[jagged flume]

I think it happened once that someone made it into the bracket a minute before the check in started

[wind ermine]

Just be sure you and your partner both plan to show up an hour after signing up lol

[sweet pike]

well like i said the tournament is in a few days and i will ensure if i cant make it you will be notified

[wind ermine]

But next tournament, I was thinking I'll design a 2.99mil ship, and then ask Salephz to pilot his Dart 🤣

[vital spindle]

Now that’s a strategy

[jagged flume]

That works for me, thank you

[vital spindle]

Hmm I’m debating on attending

Well I don’t really have time to prepare with a partner which is an issue

I don’t know

[white apex]

3m team, 1.5m per player

[vital spindle]

Don’t get me wrong I think minty is a fine person but there are people who I know better that want to attend next tournament but can’t this one

[hollow socket]

should we get a tournament participant role?

[vital spindle]

Unnecessary

We have sign up and this chat

[hollow socket]

easier for saris to ping and co-ordinate

[vital spindle]

Hmm you can ask around in #1019739575683399840

Wait

No that’s for the game

[hollow socket]

nah, that's for the game itself not the discord

[vital spindle]

I don’t know try dming saris

[jagged flume]

I mean I'm already watching this chat. It's an idea I've considered in the past but it would require that I be able to manage roles which is something currently only Walt himself and the senior moderator can do